tv Squawk Box CNBC November 19, 2019 6:00am-9:00am EST
>> good morning women come to "squawk box" melissa lee is in for becky quick. we have a big morning and a lot of earnings to talk about. we have some green ar owrows s&p looking to open about 9 points higher, the nasdaq looking to open about 35 points higher the 10-year note right now 1.822. meanwhile, joe, imagine right about now as the clock strikes
6:00 >> here are the results just reporting. $2.53 a share. a penny above estimates. just short of $27.52 billion here are the keys for guidance company now expects sales to grow by 1.8% the previous guidance was 2.3% 1.8 versus 2.3 comps are 3.5% previous guidance was around 4%. let's bring in senior analyst. so the forward guidance is below where it was previous? >> yes quickly looking at these numbers, there was a sales miss in the quarter
>> also lowering guidance for the rest of the fiscal year. sales guidance >> sales guidance. >> i'm not sure whether that is a total company or domestic. the street was around five that is a point and a half >> the street is a full point above where the company had guided the company had guided four. >> for the quarter i'll look at the quarter first the street was around five >> for the year, the company had previously guided for four they missed roughly a point, point and a half in q 3. they are taking guidance down about 50 basis points. the real message here. it is a clear sales miss >> here is what they say sales are below our expectations driven by the timing of certain benefits associated with our
strategic investments. we are largely on track and seen positive results some of the benefits anticipated in 2019. as a result, we are updating fiscal guidance. we vest to extend our competitive advantage. in terms of sales, that is coming down a bit. >> is there anything that can explain the third quarter sales like a weather event this is the second third quarter in a row of lower pricing. we have seen lumber pricing go up so that issue should have abated for them >> good question what is interesting here and what joe is saying, we have to
look closely at the home depot comments it sounds and this is very rare, that home depot is saying this is an internal issue the back drop was quite good the lumber price issue is not a big deal weather has been favorable we have this improving overall housing environment. it sounds like this is a miss step on home depot's part. one question i would have -- again, we get lowes tomorrow lowes has been getting its act together >> you like lowes better >> i do. up now to the averages that just came off the dow we watched that happen i'm glad we were able to report
that and plan it had in the show and i'm glad you were here >> right planned. schedule normally you see 120 down to 150 and say, who said something about china. today, this is totally due to home depot >> it was 104 when the show started? is. >> 120 i was in here early. you know i get in pretty early >> i know you do >> now we are up 38. just do the math home d is down around 17 >> this is a stock that was up 15% going into earnings. >> and up 38% on the year. >> right eamon sister for the year. atwhat point.
>> i assume they'll be well prepared for that to happen. this is a stock. i talk to our clients that own home depot where we are seeing quick reaction today i agree and most people say this is one of the best retailers in the world. rarely any type of internal issues something will happen in the third quarter that will shock people >> do you have any question what the internal issue might be. >> they don't. home depot has been aggressive that has been working smoothly >> you thought they had a moat that it is hard to be sup
planted by an amazon >> i would imagine when you are going in to buy a big piece of wood >> you don't get it shipped to your house >> how do you feel about lowes we'll hear from lowes and then you are going to say, is this an operational problem at home depot or something larger going on >> the way that press release is written, it seems like more of a home depot issue that makes me wonder if lows performing better is an issue. >> they are spending money and the return either didn't work or in their words is taking longer is what they said? >> it is odd for something like that to happen in one quarter. every comment has been they are working well ahead of plan. one quarter they did something
granted, there are different aspects. it seems odd to me >> lowes is down 2.59% >> we'll be here for tomorrow's report >> a lot of dow components won't have an impact on the future >> that's why you are here to bring us timely insight like that thank you for that i'm got some grim reaper news on wework new york attorney general is investigating. a report that the company is confirming it has been contacted by the ag office and says it is cooperating. partly focused on the founder and ceo adam neumann and if he engaged in self-dealing. he bought properties and leased
them back and borrowed against his own stake in the company last year, it rolled back the policy of requiring employees to sign noncompete agreements as part of a settlement you'll look at those transactions where he bought the real estate and used them or effectively leased them back to wework does that represent self-dealing who was harmed what happened? i've done some reporting around that one, it wasn't clear he actually made money doing it. he may have lost money unclear whether that matters number two, at the time for the transactions were that effectively, they were trying to build out wework as quickly as possible they were trying to get certain buildings to get wework into certain buildings as part of the show case.
that was part of the rational for it at the time whether you think that passes the smell test, i don't know >> then there is also the issue of the trademark he didn't end up selling the rights to the trademark. >> i did more reporting on that issue as well as to is there any basis for charging the company it wasn't a licensing fee. it was a $6 million fee you were going to pay to acquire the trademark. again, depends which lawyers you want to listen to. i'm told there was an argument being made at the time that there was a value to the we trademark and you couldn't just bequeath it to the company because that would be its own form i don't know if i believe any of these things i just put them out there. that's what i know around some of these conversations that
don't pass the smell test. >> neumann is out so it is not that much of an issue but the corporate governance and what the board allowed to happen because the board is still there. you have to wonder what steps did the board take along the way to enable this to happen and is that a corporate governance issue? >> i hate to use the f word and i mean fraud are people worried about accounting issues. the numbers came down very quickly. these are the kind of things that if you are an ag somewhere and you wan to make a name for yourself or you are just after justice and you start looking into stuff you think maybe there is something in there >> maybe we look back at wework as one of those moments. it is really interesting that it has got this much publicity and
it is really just the big fat cats eating it isn't it we may end up talking about this years from now don't you think? >> i'm going to get my billionaire tears mug out. >> that's a good one $47 billion to where are we now? you are all about market capital gains. >> if you marked it to market, somewhere around $7 million is where softbank has marked it i think it is closer to 9 or 10. it brings down the average you haven't done any valuation work on it you just think they are low balling it you are looking at some of the monthly metrics for individual properties coming up with 9 instead of 7
seriously? >> he just actually said he's done some work >> i did some work a little number crunching and a lot of phone calls >> we have more trouble for juul to tell you about. the state of california suing the e cigarettemaker that they engaged in a campaign to attract teenagers. saying the company's on line age verification process was flawed. sending thousands of devices to fictitious name including beer can, patricia jewel and no signature needed as examples disney plus subscribers may want to consider changing their pass words thousands were stolen by hackers and put up for sale on the dark
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as markets continue to push to new record highs. offering insights about where he's seeing opportunities. joining us now the portfolio manager from jp morgan bank. >> we have tremendous liquidity. you've had been $7.2 billion shares changing hands on a daily basis. you've seen that drop to about $6.2 billion you would normally think when earnings were being reported, traders are acting on that news. why are we only seeing 80 to 85% of the volume. if you've had good news. you offer higher and down 5.7%
which seems like a more aggressive move. it feels as though people are reacting more than they are responding going back to last year at this time and really going into december, it felt like if you wanted the bid, it felt like you were reaching out to a lot more to reach those transactions. going into the holidays, it dries up a bit despite the fact this perception of central banks out there >> why is this happening is it a combination of fewer shares and the buy backs is it a complacence at this point? >> part of it is the rise of the etf. that might give some false sense
of security or liquidity i can change my portfolio by moving up or down a factor i would say the reduction in share counts actually makes equities more valuable actually arguing that buy backs are a bid. >> is that why we are sticking with the record highs? we have the idea that the way you've created wealth creates perspective. that has been very helpful it is
coming that is something markets will hold on for. >> so you like cyclicals >> if you start with the data got better or stopped getting worse, you'd see positive surprises it is financials and industrials that suggests that seasonal you want to be morris being on and you are positioning to make money in the stock market running the three to four-year
horizon. the idea now that markets are bracing for risk >> why do your accounts have a three or four year time horizon allowing them to compound and looking to the business that is available and stay with it >> i didn't know if it was an age issue going back 10 years or 20 years i think you can have a reasonable idea about what could happen over two to four years or ten years, ten years ago is a very different narrative ten years ago, we thought the world was over and why would anybody ever trade again today, it's like okay, i want a conversation where i can trade
over the next five or ten days people are looking more to what can we know? what can we have some confidence in in terms of outlook. it is hard to know the next data out look and predicting the next out look is a skill i don't have in terms of bigger picture friends, people supporting families are going to move out of basements >> you should always be happy. >> i try. >> don't let data points determine your happiness you are living in the greatest period of history and here you are on "squawk box." what better than anything else >> and an interview by andrew ross skorkin for a tuesday, which is not the
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>> good morning. welcome back take a look at u.s. equity futures at this hour being weighed upon by home depot earnings as we mentioned earlier, it looked like it would open close to 120 points higher the nasdaq looking higher as well the home depot decline is good for about 70 points off the dow and the company lowering sales guidance for the full year the big question, is this specific to home depot it sounds like it is or is there something larger taking place. >> is it retail or the economy or the consumer? a lot of -- >> we may get a better sense tomorrow when we hear from
lowes. >> but lowes is a little different. >> a little. >> i'm overwhelmed in home depot. >> you are talking consumer experience now >> yes because i'm not handy. you want me to say it. >> you feel better >> i still try to say that i am but i think i just have to say it i'm looking for light bulbs most of the time. >> i was just dealing with that. >> i have to find someone just to get a light bulb. to make sure i get the right one. >> we got to go. i'll send you my guy my guy will pick up the light bulb for you >> it's a joke >> the conference call is at
9:00 lowes a little easier, softer. >> i don't know i've never been to lowes >> you've been to home depot >> yes of course. >> american express playing catch up with visa and master card the card company is offering sign on bonuses to businesses accepting its cards in amounts ranging from $10,000 higher. internal sales targets to sign up new merchants have increased the biggest concern are small and medium retailer. visa and master card sometimes pay businesses to start accepting their cards but usually to defer the cost of
technology upgrades. >> there are anecdotes it would take american express something like six to seven years to make back the payments they are offering they would offer somebody $10,000 but the amount of money they could collect is such a small amount to get to $10,000 in terms of fees is remarkable it is going to be interesting as you look through their earnings reports to understand their marketing cost i think they've taken some of their marketing spend down and have moved that into this program. >> just a soft line in their earnings report. can't figure out what it is. >> you know when a guest just won't shut up. >> a poone step closer to the largest casino dealer in the
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dorado >> the reno-based company is on its way to owning 16 resorts in 16 states. the sale of caesars to a company three times smaller came after karl eye khan made board changes. ichan apparently hand picked eldorado he has managed other acquisitions and is focused on cutting costs. he predicts a $500 billion
synergy. caesars predicts $100 million in savings by the beginning of the year implementing sports betting and burnishing the brand the deal is expected to close in the first half of 2020 eldorad o's head hanch owe is hoping to have this done by the first of the quarter you brought us a special guest almost in third person tom is here. we are thrilled to have you here >> thrilled to be here >> how does this happen? you get a call from carl icahn, give us some backstory >> we had approached caesars the summer prior to this quarter when the stock had been weakening frankly post a cnbc
interview prior. >> are you responsible for that? >> share holders had reached out and said, we'd like to see you guys managing this company we made a brief approach to caesars that summer. they were not interested at the time told us so we were in the middle of buying a company called tropicana entertainment from carl. we discussed it briefly. i like the rest of you saw that carl became a share holder of caesars. there was rumors of big he would be we started talking about is this something we'd be interested in and here we are. >> you called him or he called you for the big deal >> i will say he was aware of our interest from prior conversations and reached out to
reconfirm it >> the question is is this $500 million synergy number what does it look like and does it take away from any of the profits? . >> this is our seventh acquisition. in each one, we have announced a target we have a high degree of confidence in terms of the numbers we are going to hit. this is no difference. the numbers are just larger. caesars is a large company we've had an extraordinary amount of access at this point with management with the corporate and the property level. we did it at the time and now four months later and we are confident we'll hit that $500 million. >> sports gambling is a game changer. it provides opportunity and
risk new jersey passed nevada now i'm going to let you talk but i think, tropicana, do people still go there desert inn is gone these new properties pop up. some of these older properties, it is not just about gambling. to be out there, you need to have a great experience for the whole family i think caesars is such a great brand name >> that's right. caesars is kind of the gold market in terms of branding. a lot of us think of the lbo and bankruptcy but it is not long ago that caesars was the gold standard you asked about sports betting sports betting is a reason for
customers to visit your property that otherwise weren't going to see it >> you have the very valuable caesars rewards now. you are known for cutting back on promotions and marketing. do you anticipate making big changes to caesars rewards >> that is the equivalent to owning the one frequent flyer program in the business. we think it will be very powerful we are going to bring our 12 million customers into their database of 50 million and we think that will help us yield in las vegas and help us attract customers at the local level in our travels, we've seen properties that are exporting 25, 50, $75 million a year of play in the caesars system
we have 26 properties in our database we don't do that much combined caesars rewards is great we think it will be great for occ our customers. >> after this, analysts are saying you'll be at five-time leverage what do you have to be at to consider your seventh or eighth acquisition? >> there is not much left for us domestically we'll come out more levered. we'll come and five times we think we'll pay down 4 to $5 billion of debt in the first 24 months post transaction. we really want to drive leverage low. we'd like to driver leverage sub three times. >> sub three >> we think if we're able to
unreasonable given what's happened. >> what has to happen to get there? >> we think the regulatory constraints have to fade and they continue to put up good numbers. >> what has you convinced that the regulatory cloudswill lift >> they won't lift covering microsoft under vollmer, the regulatory overhang will not be a big issue from our perspective. >> no lawsuits coming? >> we see lawsuits coming. >> you do? you still think it's okay? >> yeah. look at the stock year to date, it's up 50%. most of the times we come on air we talk about the regulatory overhang i think we don't believe it's as big an issue going back to the fundamentals advertisers are flocking to this platform instagram checkout and the shopping app are on fire. >> microsoft let's talk about microsoft's neighbor in seattle. amazon you like amazon. why? >> it's underperformed the bricks, the clicks have faded.
we think that ultimately the investment of one day delivery is going to pay off. they were in harvest mode. >> the harvest is coming. >> the harvest is going to come. then you have aws which is just dominant. >> no mention of regulatory clouds there for you >> not as big of an impact. >> lastly, let's talk about the neighbor, amazon and oracle. both of which you like >> yeah, we upgraded microsoft, downgraded oracle. we like microsoft a lot. been one of the best stories growing mid teens. hundreds of billions in backlog. >> if i gave you 10 grand and you could buy one, which would you buy? >> i'd buy amazon. >> by round lot. can't even buy a round lot. >> fine, i'll make it 100 grand.
a million, 10 million. >> fractional shares nowadays on certain apps. >> okay. >> thank you >> humiliating. coming up our guest host for the rest of the show, david novak, former yum brands ceo his latest on food trends, c suite shuffle. big interview. jenner communications, kris jenner she takes 10% of it all. she's going to join us talk to andrew mostly, i'm sure, about cody's deal with her daughter kiley beauty and consumer trends and so much more as we take a break. take a look at the futures which have been much higher until home depot guedowid ler in salesfor the rest of the year we'll be right back. sfx: [phone ringing]
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good morning welcome to "squawk box" right here on cnbc i'm andrew ross sorkin along with melissa lee in for becky who is in l.a. kingos angeles we'll have some of those interviews on our air as well. take a look at the u.s. equities futures. tuesday morning. the market will open up higher, 45 points higher that is down from where we were just about an hour and a half ago when home depot reported more about the sales and expectations in the future down much more than people had anticipated. we'll talk about that and dig into that in a moment. jay powell meeting with president trump yesterday to discuss the economy. it was the first such meeting
between the president and the nation's top policy maker since an informal dinner last february steve liesman joins us with more about what was said and what was maybe eaten. >> no, i cannot get anything on the food nobody else had the steak detail but we're trying to figure out if coffee was served kind of quiet. look, having first described the meeting as good and cordial, the president took to twitter to return to form and complain about monetary policy. here's what he said. at my meeting with jay powell this morning, that was last night, protested fact that our fed rate is set too high relative to the interest rates of other competitor countries, in fact our rates should be lower than all others. we are the u.s too strong a dollar hurting manufacturers and growth that statement lacked the name-calling and over the top criticism of the fed from the president's other tweets so perhaps the face-to-face meeting had some modest impact the fed said in the statement
chair powell's comments were consistent with his remarks in his congressional hearings last week he did not discuss his eke no, ma'am pick policy except to stress that the path of policy bears the incoming policy. powell said they are not going to reduce rates to target the dollar officials have said the rates are higher, because as the president itself argued, the u.s. economy is far stronger than in europe stocks have surged while rate cuts have declined in december, 0.8% probability of a rate cut next month. then you have to go out until july until the markets take a hedge on possible rate cut of 25 basis points curiously the market and the fed now in the same place on the rates. the president in another place melissa? >> seems like it depends on the trade war. the markets are trying to factor in what the fed will do in response to the trade war. it gives itself time. >> a brilliant comment, melissa. that gives me an opening for an
answer here that the fed funds futures market is not responding to the possibility of an increased trade war, and i think the stock market itself seems to be divorcing itself from the trade news, don't you think? >> yes, i agree. >> i mean, yesterday was bad trade news and it didn't seem to -- >> if you close your eyes, right, you heard the headline. >> you would know. >> eunice report that. you would think the s&p would be down -- >> 300 down 300. >> 30 points or whatever it is. >> you wish. >> and it wasn't it was basically flat yesterday on the day >> why do you say i wish, joe? >> because then you'd be right about the trade war hurting so badly. >> i think i'm pretty clear about the trade war hurting. >> trade wars hurt. >> where's your 3% growth, joe where's your 3% growth >> all right. >> take it easy. >> quiet silence, joe. >> calm down >> you got me, steve. >> silence, joe. >> you're a guest. >> the dow, nasdaq, s&p all hit
record highs since president trump's election the dow is up 53%. seven of the 11 sectors were higher all 11 sectors were positive year to date tech leading the way up nearly 41%. the sector that hasn't faird as well, energy up 2% joining us is sarat and ryan payne, president of payne capital management let's pick up where we left off in terms of the market reaction to the trade war it almost seems like the markets are okay being here with bad trade headlines because it knows the bar is very high for the fed to do anything at this point >> yes >> no, i agree i think actually the fed is what's being ignored here, right? i think what happens with interest rates doesn't matter. we've had all the stimulus we can possibly have. i think the trade war is still pretty important because that's about capital expenditure. that's a big part of gdp if we can get help around that
that's a huge catalyst. >> why are we all right hovering around all-time highs? >> because the economy is awesome. >> down 3%. >> doesn't have to be 3%. >> there is -- it's the best house in a bad neighborhood certainly around the world. >> is it that bad? >> no. >> with historically low employment the economy is doing great. >> says the people i work for. no. >> is it about the best house in the bad neighborhood or do you want to be in the bad neighborhood that shows the potential for influxion? >> your point is a better point. the expectation is built in that this trade war is not going to actually get as bad as what people think just because we've had elections coming up and i think people are expecting that something will come out of this. on the other side of that, if you look at the rest of the world potentially turning around as well and where do you want to be if the rest of the world turns around right here because we've got the global multi-nationals, we've got the ability to grow our
earnings the only way to go ahead is earnings going up. interest rates are going to be low. where do you want to be? i think investors have to look and say, growth has been really the way to be for the last ten years. do you want to be just in growth or do you kind of want to balance it with some value at this point when you look at multiples, the financials, home building products, areas that are 10, 12 times earnings versus some of the 25 to 30 pes, yeah, they're supported by low interest rates but what happens when you actually have rates moving up on the back end i'm talking about the ten year, things like that that's where the money could go. that's where we're starting to put some of our capital. we've been there for a while it's helped this year. rates move and the ten year moves to over 2, i think you're going to have a reshuffle of the market. >> what does that do to bonds as well when the bond funds this summer and you start seeing rates go up, you look at tlt, 25 year plus treasury index, it's already down 10% in a month. >> trade with a huge put, don't
you? the bar for the fed to raise is much higher than it is for the fed to cut, right? i mean, you could have a ten year drift above 2 you would have to have -- i mean, just taking powell at his own words, sustained inflation at a 2.5% rate for a while that offset the time that it was below 2%. >> that's never going to happen. >> the fed has gotten rid of normalization. the idea of going back to some sort of idea of whatever normal is and it's now just -- the new bar is inflation that runs high for a long time. >> i'm talking long duration, right? not the one to five year it's really ten plus that effect on the markets could be pretty dramatic, especially if you see capital go back into the equity market if people are losing money on the bond side, you're going to get a reshuffle right away. >> you're already getting it, aren't you >> you are it hasn't been as drastic. the equity markets are supporting you. >> you have to remember, it's not the fed that controls
long-term interest rates global rates are starting to go up you're starting to see a turn in global economies they're starting to do better. >> goldman had the note out about peek tariffs the december 15 tariffs won't come into effect if that is the case and you want to invest in the infliction point areas, is that the u.s. or is that elsewhere? is that europe is that -- >> so i think you want to be in the most transparent liquid market. >> that's the u.s. >> in the u.s. you can go into companies like the honeywells, the microsofts, big multi-nationals. >> blackstone. >> i like blackstone. >> great run. >> great dividend yield. great run. they're still aggregating assets you can look at the banks. jpmorgan, bank of america. they're going to do well when you're at 12 times earnings you have expansion. >> can i point out most of the markets -- >> one last thing. >> the market has not been great at predicting the political outcomes of tariffs. >> the markets or strategists in
the markets? >> i mean, i don't know if you dispute a whole lot of -- look, i don't know there's been a whole lot of space between the two. it looks like the markets bet on a positive outcome at least twice and it's been wrong. right now at least our polling, and i guess the market, thinks these december 15th tariffs are not going to happen. sarat just said it. >> we shall see. >> but it's not been right. >> look at last december. >> sarat, thank you. when we come back, guest host and former yum brands ceo david novak will talk trade tensions in china and here in america and so much more he's going to join us right after the break for the remainder of the show. later, former defense secretary ash carter is going to join us. we will talk about china's huawei privacy requirements and national security when "squawk" returns. tom on "squawk box" becky quick has an exclusive interview with target ceo brian car fell in moments after the company
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earnings alert earnings of kohl's down. kohl's the second retailer to post disappointing earnings. home depot shares down on a comp miss home depot's taking more than 85 points off the futures kohl's is down almost 12% here it's amazing same-store sales rose .4%. that's less than half of what wall street was expecting. this is a major disappointment. let's talk about the state of world, state of leadership, state of our relationship with china with someone that had some business over there. david novak, former yum brands co-founder, ceo. founder of david novak leadership and a cnbc contributor. good to have you here. >> great to be here, joe yeah, before we get started i've been watching "squawk box. you and andrew, you've been going at it. >> yeah. >> you've been -- >> for years. >> i want to bring you together.
>> that's really nice. >> good luck. >> i think food -- >> really nice. >> i brought you a few taco bell coupons. >> wow. >> how many does he have >> three. >> i've got three, you've got three. >> you don't go to taco bell. >> three kfc. >> oh, wow. >> only two kfc foryou. >> three pizza hut but 4 pizza hut for me. >> do these cards only work if they go together >> i want them to go together. i'd like to see them break bread together. >> i think that would move things along. >> i think this could be good. >> you can have a date night. >> can we trade? >> no. >> you're supposed to go together. >> i know. but i -- >> i know you like taco bell i'll get you more taco bell. >> you don't like taco bell? >> i do like taco bell we're going together that's the point of the exercise. >> isn't three hours a day enough no, we're good >> good. >> my question -- >> it's been a little snippy.
>> my question is, how much is on each card >> you're going to have to find out. >> it's got a scratch -- >> you have to read the fine print. >> you don't see congress sitting across from each other talking things out they could learn from this >> they could learn from this. >> i agree i agree. >> how much are these worth? be thankful. >> i am thankful that's a sweet thing to think about. >> he's busting our chops. don't you know novak. >> there's a lesson in leadership he's trying to bring people together >> there you go. >> teammates this is what he does. >> if you can do this, you're really good. >> i think i can do it i think i can do it. >> professional coach. david coach. >> the nba deal, for me it highlighted almost in a microcosm all of the issues with china trade. it's very important. they have 600 million nba fans -- >> right. >> -- we'd love to just be 100%
behind the protestors for freedom and democracy, but we really are -- it's a very important trading partner for yum brands it was an important trading partner. you would have to think of tweeting something like that. >> no, i don't think i would have. >> would you have tweeted support? >> i would have attended my business you attend to your business. business people should attend to business and leave politics to everybody else i think that's the real learning here >> but we can't decouple from china, can we? >> i think, look, i think china is a country that we need to have a relationship with for the long term. >> right >> we've got our struggles right now but that's going to work out. when it works out, it's going to create more economic benefit for the entire world, including united states. so in my mind it's just a matter of time before things are worked out. but the politics, you know, china's going to run their country how they want to run their country and the united states is going to run theirs
the way -- how we want to run ours that's the way it should be, i think. hopefully the two can come together and deal with the big issues >> you know what's going on at yum obviously. how many other boards -- how many boards are you sitting on >> i'm just on one. >> the comcast board. >> which is the parent company. >> the comcast -- >> what a company. >> that's a hell of a company. >> i think so. too. >> you have some connections at the top. we'll talk you know some people so overall the state of business in the united states right now with what -- the input you have. >> everybody i'm talking to feels bullish. i haven't talked to a negative person in a long time. >> is that good or bad >> i think it's good i think people believe in the economy. >> stock market consensus. >> just look at what happened with the market. all these fears that have been whether the politics, whether it's the trade, whether it's recession, you pick the issue, there's been more fears in the last it seems like six months.
september somehow they seemed to go away. i think people now feel that those fears are overblown. people are optimistic about the future and, you know, i think they should be. >> retail is good in your view >> retail, everything -- >> home depot had a little bit of a miss. >> yeah, but you know what, you've got to look at the overall factors. i don't think that should drive the market down. it might who knows about the market home depot is a powerhouse company. they've been having great results. great leadership, great store management they'll come back. every retailer, you know, has their ups and downs. i remember warren buffet telling me about retail. he says, look, you're in a tough industry you have your ups and downs. tell people you're going to win in a long term that's what a home depot does. that's what others do. >> the other things you concern yourself with. you do podcasts with leaders you'd like to spread a lot of the basic tenants of leadership around to create good leaders that make the world a better
place. >> yes. >> that's sort of your goal. something you think that is not done enough is what you call purposeful recognition. >> yes. >> that is -- see, with us you didn't really think both of us are great or anything. i thought that -- i thought that might be something you would say. but this needs to, would you're both essential. you're incredible employees, right? >> right. >> that's your deal, purposeful recognition. >> look, i don't know about you, but if you look at companies, you look at trains, everybody teaches people how to sell more. everybody teaches people finance for the nonfinancial executive but there's no -- there's no training that i know of that really focuses solely on recognition yet the two reasons why people leave companies is they don't get along with their boss and they don't feel like they're appreciated. >> right. >> those are linked. so what i've done is i've created a leadership program called purposeful recognition which talks about how to do recognition. recognition isn't something
that's willy nilly it needs to be earned. people need to know how to earn it in their companies. the best way to earn recognition is to reinforce the cultural behaviors that you know are going to drive results if you think about the news business, you know, if you're good at getting that first story, you want to be innovative if you're good about knowing your subject so that when people come on you can really interview people effectively and really get the best out of them if you don't throw people just a softball and you throw them the provocative question then you come in if those are behaviors you know that drives a great performance, then whoever you work for, i think that's what they ought to be recognizing you for because you're going to get more of it that's what recognition is really powerful at it's really reinforcing the behaviors that will drive the cultural behaviors that you know that are going to drive your business i spent most of my time focused on the culture because i knew if i got the work environment right everything would basically fall in place i don't think enough companies really do that
there's nobody teaching recognition. and that's what -- that's what i'm doing. i've got a great master class that i'm really proud of it's an hour and five minutes of content and it takes you about two hours to do self-reflection to figure out how you can do recognitions that's right for you. >> seems so simple why don't managers do more of it >> why do some do zero >> it's like common sense. it's just not that common. people literally, you know, don't do the things that are sometimes the easiest to do. how hard is it to say thank you? the two most powerful words in business recognition shows that you're watching. >> we're fortunate here because we have max myers. >> we do >> who gives us -- the executive producer. >> fantastic >> he gives you kudos? >> yes, he does. he's very good >> that's good and that's a lot more motivating than having somebody who doesn't
give you anything. >> right. >> believe it or not, 82% of people, they don't get recognition from their supervisor. >> exactly. >> why why is that? >> preaching to the choir. i hear ya. can we return to more management stuff, oh, great one >> yeah. >> we can? >> any time. good david, thanks. stick around. >> we'll ask questions underhand softball overhand >> with me you get mad at me. >> you've been pretty tough on me that's why i brought you the coupons. >> is it good that i'm tough on people make up your mind, will ya >> i like it i come back for punishment. >> i do. you're a masochist. >> more satisfying when you hit a fastball >> yes exactly. >> the fcc is set to vote on a rule that would prohibit cell service providers from using government subsidies from buying from huawei. check out shares of home depot and kohl's this morning, both
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revenue and comp sales missed. they lowered the guidance for the full year. some investments are taking longer to pay off. that had been down 7%, now down 4.5. kohl's reported a disappointing quarter. you see they are all down. kohl's is down by 10%. andrew a big vote expected today at the fcc that would block huawei and ztt. they could be named as national security threats which would block them from receiving anything from the $8.5 billion universal fund here to discuss this vote, national security china, ash carter is joining us director of harvard's bell for center he's author of "inside the five-sided box." he will be participating in the digital currency simulation later today with larry somers,
nick burns and more. let's start with huawei. is there a compromise? is there somewhere that could be met in the middle so that huawei could still operate, at least in some parts of the world without compromising our own national security >> well, what you see going on here, andrew, is exactly as you indicate, a mix of national security policy and economic policy going on. that's new for us. it's not new for china we're looking for a playbook for a communist china that we both trade with and compete with militarily and we didn't have that. we had the cold war playbook, which is all military, no economics, and we have the free trade playbook for countries like france and so forth, which is all economics and not military competition we're getting a mix here now huawei is such a serious
case of potential national security consequence that both in the fcc rulings and in the trade talks you see our government taking the point of view that it's a national security problem to have all of their stuff installed in our country and in our ally's countries. that's not going to change we may make some particular and temporary carve outs for a while. >> from your perspective if you were in office right now, i mean, the argument or the issue here is that people -- it does appear that huawei is being used to some degree as a pawn in the larger trade war and so either you believe it is a genuine national security threat or it isn't, right i mean, it's sort of hard for it to be both >> well, you're right, and that would say, well, how can you trade national security for soybeans in other words, how can you mix an issue like the huawei issue, national security issue up in the trade talks. you're absolutely right. there's a limit to the extent to which we can do that
at the same time, we are trying to connect our security policy and our economic policy because, remember, that's what the chinese do so well so when we have an economic issue with the chinese, we want to be able to also bring in the national security side and when we have a national security issue with the chinese, we want to bring in the economic side. that's the kind of new playbook that we're trying to develop here and it is new and you have to be careful that you don't sell your security because our security can't be for sale and isn't for sale but at the margins we can make those kind of limits. >> that's what i don't understand i've read thoroughly the d.o.d. innovation report which effectively said allowing huawei not just entree to the united states but entree to any part of the west, any part of the world actually becomes a security threat for us because ultimately we are going to need access to
those lines, those communication lines. >> that's right. >> by default we'll be using their services and that becomes a problem unto itself. >> that's right. that is a problem and i don't think that can be appropriately traded away in trade talks or for anything else economically huawei is a serious case it goes to the heart of what is going to be a two internet world, a two tech ecosystem world. >> you think decoupling. two internet world. >> it's already happening. andrew, it's already happening it's already happening remember, the chinese have been running a separate internet for some years this isn't a choice for the united states, whether there are going to be two technological systems around the internet. the chinese have made that choice it's going to be that way. >> can i ask you a philosophical question. >> yeah. >> do you think over the last 30 or 40 years that our policy of engagement, which arguably was
in the interest of trying to open up china has ultimately failed >> yes, in the sense that we tried and they decided to go a different direction. china did not turn out the way that many people hoped in the 1990s. now i was one of those people who came to the conclusion about 20 years ago that it was not going to be what we hoped, which is end up a very -- a big france, a nice trading partner with which we got along in other ways, but by now i think there's a broad consensus, and this is deepened just in the last few years for the united states, that china is not going to come our way, it's going to go its way and we're going to have a very serious, protracted, competitive situation with what is after all communist dictator ship and that's why the huawei
issue is not going to be, i don't think, resolved in the course of the trade talks. i think that's too strong security issue. >> you're an old hand here >> i would say -- i would question whether anyone could say that china hasn't dramatically changed i think even for the positive in the last 30 years. i think it's more open than 30 years ago. it's much more progressive than it was 30 years ago and, yes, maybe it hasn't gone as far as what we would like it to go. i would never say never about the future >> well, let me just talk about the present. i'm sorry i can't agree with that >> that's okay. >> it is a communist dictatorship that has settled upon a view that it is not going to just fit into the world as other countries, especially the states have created a world of values, of freedom and also free trade,
that it's going to go the chinese way. that is what many people hoped, and it was reasonable to hope. >> ash, but isn't that just -- >> in the 1990s. >> isn't that xi jinping 2013 and forward? >> well, i'm saying, yes, absolutely i knew all of them you can see right there in that progression you could have a conversation in which it was plausible that he may end up now by this time, in 2019 in a situation where china wasn't trying to carve out a separate kind of world centered on china but a world in which it fit in and of course had a big role naturally enough but it wasn't a china centric international system by the time you get to xi jinping, read what he says he has announced that there are going to be two -- that china's going to have its own independent tech base, including internet that it is the chinese time to
shine on the world not to shine with the rest of the world but to make up for 100 years of humiliation and so forth. that's a very different attitude from the one that min had and china is going to follow xi jinping's path that doesn't mean i think there's going to be a war or even a cold war in the sense of replay of what we had with the soviet union, but you've got to look for china -- to look at china for what it is, a communist dictatorship that has determined that it wants to be at the center of asia and possibly ultimately the center of the world they say that. and that they're going to be independent in areas of sensitive technology from the rest of the world and especially the united states. so these aren't choices that americans have anymore these are choices that china has made and we have to play the game that's on the field. >> secretary carter, always great to hear from you and your perspective. it's a debate that is not going
anywhere and i imagine we will continue to have it with you and we hope to speak with you soon i'm looking forward to what you're doing later today thanks very much for coming on. >> thanks very much. >> good to be with you as always. coming up, stocks to watch ahead of the opening bell, home depot. the numbers and the market reaction are next and it's not pretty. then the great tax debate rages on instead of fighting over whether there should be new taxes, what if the irs collects the taxes that are owed it robert frank will break down that story then later, the matriarch of the kardashian empire, kris jenner, going to try to keep up with her, andrew is anyway makes her "squawk box" debut do you bond at the deal book >> we did. essote the women, her and -- >> is she normally - i knew about the tremors.
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home depot mentioned about investments not paying off as soon as they thought they would. what sort of investments are they are they online investments they've been making? >> yeah, it's across the board they've been trying to invest in supply chain to be quicker and faster in the store. i think it's online for better buy online, pick up in store, faster delivery to homes just some of the merchandising they've been doing some of the incremental investments they've been doing are some of the pressure point i wonder if it's a bit of housing pressure as well it seems like we saw that the past couple of quarters. >> why do you think it would be housing pressure last quarter they were pitting most of the blame on lumber prices which is something that's abated for this quarter. lumber prices have been going higher over the past month or so. >> historically there's been a six to nine-month lag with the housing market relative to when home improvement sales turn out. if you go back this time last year, the start of this year,
you know, housing was pretty soft a little softer than normal. now it's coming out of that dip. that six to nine-month lag might be playing that catchup over the past couple of quarters. i think that's in the backdrop that being said, it does feel like housing has gotten a little bit better lately. maybe things will kind of level off here there you go, two quarters in a row, two different reasons why sales have been slower so maybe some of it is the backdrop as well >> the average ticket price has gone up. the sales per square foot has gone up. should we be worried about the health of the consumer or should we not impute that from these results? >> yeah, no, that's a great point. trans absolutes were actually up 1.5% if you take a step back, 3.5% come am or same store sales is quite good so, you know, while they did miss the expectation, the numbers are good and i think you're right, it does indicate
that the consumer's been okay and we're seeing that from some of the others that have reported as of late >> david novak here, the former ceo of yum brands. david, when you're looking at the consumer, what are some of the indicators you look at >> i think the key thing in retail is transactions and home depot's up 1.5 plus their same-store-sales are up. not bad. you keep doing that quarter after quarter after quarter you wake up some day, you have a hell of a business. >> sounds like you look through this >> yeah. i think this is over reaction. >> joe, what do you think? >> yeah. i understand that. you know, and i think that they are on a more stable base and they're operating quite well they're one of the best in retail, and to be able to put up such numbers, it's kind of like you look at walmart and when walmart does like a 1.5 or 2 comp, that's really good on such a large base i would say the same for home
depot with the 3.5 if you take a step back, it's all relatively solid. >> those transactions make it even more powerful because you're just not getting it from price. >> joe, should we be worried about lowe's tomorrow? >> yeah, no, i think there could be a little bit of pressure there. wall street's forecasting around 3.2% given what we saw at home depot, there could be a little bit, although home depot's saying it was more self-inflicted issues so if that's the case, maybe the 3's okay i would think somewhere right around 3, maybe a touch below is where we might see lowe's come out tomorrow. >> thank you so much for calling in i appreciate it. when we come back, the tax gap is growing but there could be a simple way to stop the bleeding robert frank joins us with a preview. robert every year the irs collects more than $400 billion less than it's owed. most of that is from the 1%. we'll talk about how fixing the irs could bring in twice as much
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robert >> amazing concept pay what you owe the tax gap is ashds 400 billion. they say that the best way to reform our tax system right now is to start withbasic collection in a new paper and op ed with natasha saran, somers said the tax cap will grow to 7.5 trillion over the next decade. there are legitimate concerns that the tax system unfairly helps the elite. in 2011 more than 12% of those
making $1 million or more were audited. today it's 3%. somers said investing $100 billion in the irs, technology, improved third party reporting would yield over 1 trillion in revenue or generate $11 for every tax dollar spent on the irs. the treasury department issuing a statement to cnbc saying that the administration agrees that reducing the tax gap is an important goal and it wants congress to approve measures in the next budget that would improve enforcement and oversight. >> there's avoidance and evasion. >> yeah. >> this is avoidance. >> no, it's not. it's evasion. >> it's probably both. so some of it is just -- >> this is illegal, robert this is not using the law to pay less taxes this is not collecting what's owed that's fraud. >> it implies intent it could be errors. >> oh, just errors >> that much money is just errors. >> you can't say that all of it is evasion. >> they have great accountants and they have great methods of lowering their taxes to the
legally -- >> that's right. that's avoidance, right? >> right what you're talking about is missing out -- these are people that are evading taxes and could go to jail for not paying taxes, right? >> evading and also perhaps not fully -- >> it sounds to me like evasion and that would be a good idea to make sure people pay now you need to complaining the law to get the loophole -- if they're doing it legally stick around, vanessa williamson governance studies rachel bovart, conservative partner institute. conservatives don't want to spend money. would this be a good way to spend some money to help the irs collect more >> enforcement is always helpful, but first i'd like to congratulate larry somers from moving past the wealth tax that's a great idea. let's talk about enforcement >> has he talked about the plane yet? >> it requires congressional resources. this congress is currently too busy doing something else called
impeachment rather than legislating. they have to require enforcement resources to get this done. >> vanessa, this seems like kind of a no brainer. you don't even need new taxes. >> i mean, i think that this is an important step no matter what kind of tax plan you want to see. if you want to do a wealth tax, absolutely you need the irs to enforce that there is an enormous amount of evasion left on the table. >> if you want to tax gains you need money for computer systems. >> elizabeth warren is talking about trillions of dollars going to the irs because of the difficulty in valuing all of these assets and enforcing it. >> you have a government that's already collecting the taxes that it should one of the things that really irritates the hell out of me is just how the billionaires are being vilified when i think the billionaires are the greatest americans we have what would our country be
without jeff bezos what would it be without guys that are creating jobs. >> you would not support additional funding for the irs >> i would support that but it has to be viewed as a problem. if it's seen as a problem, then you ought to put resources up against it. >> if you had a receivables problem at your company, right, the one place you put money is into collection. >> and what i'm saying is, yes >> right. >> i would definitely fund that in the government, but it's got to be seen as a problem. >> right. >> if that's a strategy. >> you're saying it's a problem. most people in the republican party have no interest in funding collection. >> well, i will say somers pointed out in that piece, enforcement has gone down over the last decade. this is a problem both parties have ignored but i would point out that oicd says the united states has one of the most progressive tax code in the world when it comes from collection from the rich we're collecting we're just not enforcing all we could be doing. this is a resources problem. congress needs to get its act together and put money there if
they care about it. >> just to be 100% clear you're making it out that it's a bipartisan issue. >> over the last decade both parties were in control. >> not really. >> kevin brady was on the record saying the irs became politicized under obama so, therefore, they didn't want to fund it at the same levels he was very clear about that he felt like the irs had become politicized so therefore they wanted to reduce the funding. >> he had a fair point and the courts agreed with him until we get that right. of course we don't want to get that right if they're going to target consumers. >> you're smart, robert frank. death and taxes. you cover taxes you will be here every day, right rachel, thank you. vanessa, thank you robert, thank you, right you're not going anywhere. >> death, wealth, taxes. the wealthy will always be with us and the tabs. >> taxes. former white house chief of staff andrew card is our very special guest. take a look at the futures as we
a tough warning for retail earnings home depot dragging down the dow futures and kohl's getting clamped slammed in early trading. mickey pant talks restaurants, hong kong and more. and a global business empire grows. >> i think that we're building something so fantastic and just being able to figure out what really works for each one of them is very rewarding for me. >> kris jenner the momager joins us to talk business, and kiley's $1.2 billion cosmetics deal. the final hour of "squawk box" begins right now. good morning and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. live from the nasdaq market site in times square. i'm joe kernen along with andrew
ross sorkin and melissa lee. becky is out today on business. >> on business >> out in l.a. >> doug mcmillan. >> doug mcmill on. >> he just had his earnings target cut she will be back here to interview the ceo of target tomorrow morning. >> our guest host, david novak former ceo of yum brands, david novak leadership and cnbc leader the futures are indicated up 48 points they're up triple digits until home depot reported. treasury yields this morning, moderating again i think down around 1.82. yeah, exactly 1.82. retailers feeling the pain this morning check out shares of home depot you can see them down over 4%. the company posting mixed results. did beat on the bottom line. growth came in lower than analysts had expected and home depot lowering its full year sales and comps guidance
at the moment the stocks taking 70 points off the dow futures separately kohl's posting weaker than expected earnings. that stock down as well. you can look at that board down over close to 12% right now. finally the retail wreck hitting a number of other companies this morning including take a look, macy's, tjx and nordstrom's. fellow home improvement lowe's feeling some pain. we'll find out if the situation is home depot specific or whether there's something larger going on in the economy. >> they resume their impeachment inquiry with more public testimony. sessions will take place in the morning and the afternoon. ylan mui joins us. >> reporter: it is going to be a marathon day four witnesses will be testifying in front of the house intelligence committee starting in just about an hour. three of them were listening in on that july 25th phone call the former national security
council official timothy morrison said he didn't feel there was anything illegal about the call but it was certainly unusual. however, another nsc staffer, alexander vinman raised red flags about the call immediately while an aide to vice president mike pence jennifer williams said the call shed light on why the security assistance to ukraine might have been withheld now all three of them also raised concerns about the back channels of diplomacy to ukraine that existed within the administration one of the people allegedly in that back channel, kurt volker will be testifying this afternoon. the hearings are expected to go into the evening republicans say this is a prime example of how impeachment is sucking all the oxygen out of washington guys, we do expect one key vote to happen in the house today and that would be on a short-term spending bill that would keep the government open through december 20th and we are expecting both republicans and democrats to support it.
back over to you >> all right, ylan, thank. joining us with more, andy card former white house chief of staff and nbc news and msnbc political analyst. great to see you this morning, andy let me just ask you, we care about markets. we care about the economy. it would be nice if washington were a tailwind, a tailwind, i'm talking fiscally for the economy. anything between now and a year from now that we can expect other than the fed to help with economic growth or is -- do you think congress is just paralyzed? >> well, i'm glad to see that they have a short-term spending bill ready for -- that will only take us to december 20th they've got to work on a real budget, and i hope they'll keep working on it while they're dealing with this impeachment mess i hope they will pass usmca. very important to get that trade
deal done with mexico and canada in the u.s. and we also have to pay attention to what's happening over in china. we've got to get the trade deal done there and get the tariffs reduced. there's a lot of work that has to be done i hope they can chew gum and walk at the same time. unfortunately they talk more than they chew the gum so i don't know what's going on, but they clearly have the capacity to get things done it's a good sign that they got the short-term spending bill on the books and they should vote for it with a big, overwhelming bipartisan support hopefully this next few days and get that done they've got to work on a real budget and they have to get usmca done. >> speaker pelosi gave some lip service to usmca i'm wondering whether we take her at her word that it's really going to move forward. she seemed to indicate that she was open to doing that but cynical people think that maybe that won't happen because it would give a bit of a victory to
the trump administration what's your true feeling about whether that -- whether we get that done? >> i actually take the speaker at her word. i do think that she would like to get usmca passed, and that doesn't mean it's going to be an easy lift for her within her caucus, but i think it's important to get done and hopefully people will put their partisan bickering aside to just get it done. there's an awful lot of work that's gone into it. i think it's very important to be done and the world is looking into that. we also have to send a signal that trade deals are good and we should get china to step up to meet their responsibilities to come to an agreement so it's important. i think usmca would be an important signal not only to the u.s. ability to have its economy continue to grow but to the world if congress is interested in being part of the solution rather than part of the problem. >> it's a very partisan process we see going on here both sides are dug in and that's why i started with the market impact on what congress is able to do.
but just to discuss what we're talking about briefly, i did see you quoted as i don't remember the word you used for the phone call, but i think you called it maybe troubling or something you can just tell us what you -- how you felt about what -- the whole issue we're talking about and whether it rises to the level of an impeachable offense in your view and whether there's a chance of getting 20 senators, republican senators to convict >> first of all, i think the process has been a little more partisan than it needs to be and i don't like all the leaking and the spin i want the facts to come out let the facts determine what happens. my gut tells me that there will be a vote on impeachment and the president will be impeached. i do not think that he will be removed. i don't think the senate will pass any kind of conviction, and i don't think that he would be removed, but right now my gut is that he'd likely be impeached. i want the truth to come out
without the bias right now people are putting ornaments on whatever is said and i'd like the facts to come out. i hope the process is honest and fair hopefully we'll get to that point. the president should just continue to do his job i think the president should not be preoccupied with this focus on the job that's done there's an awful lot done in the world. his leadership is critically important in order to get the rest of the world in line and we've got trouble spots all around the world obviously in the middle east, the new policy changes in israel are going to create a debate we've got problems in hong kong. we've got problems at many places around the world that i want the president to maintain his interest in solving those problems rather than focusing on impeachment. let the winds blow where they may in congress and just do the job of being president. >> here as chief of staff and you're advising someone who has a strong will and very independent, what kind of advice would you give the president
i know what you want him to do, but how would you go about influencing him? >> first of all, i would say don't be distracted. simply -- i kind of wish he were nottweeting about the impeachment process and just accept that it's going to be going the way it's going i don't think that he should be meddling in that process i think he should say -- let the facts come out i don't think the facts are going to be that compelling that he would be removed and focus on doing the job. i think president clinton when he gave the president advice said just do your job. that's how president clinton got through the impeachment process. >> so, andy, as a washington person that's been there a long time, how do you see this affecting -- and we're getting back to the markets and the economy again. is this a positive long run for trump or is it a positive for the democratic nominee, whether
it's elizabeth warren or somebody else? because then if -- do you think that this could help elizabeth warren eventually win the presidency if she was the nominee in november of next year and what would that mean for the economy and the markets? >> well, first of all, i think the democrats have been dealt an incredibly good hand but they are grossly miss playing it. i don't think elizabeth warren reflects the reality of expectation in this country. i think she's lurched way too far left so i don't see her as part of the solution, i actually see her as part of the problem we've got a good economy we want to keep it going it's important to keep the trade deals done it's important to deal with the situation with china and get that behind us, and i think the president understands that and so i don't think the -- i think the impeachment process is troubling to the state of our democracy and politics, but i don't think it's impacting the economy yet. and i hope that it won't i hope that we'll keep focusing
on -- that's why i want congress to do its job. i'm troubled by the spending that congress has been doing we're spending like crazy and we've got to be careful with how we use the taxpayer's money. >> yeah. >> i don't think the politics has gelled and the democrats are not sold on a viable candidate yet. i don't know who a viable candidate is that i could define right now. >> i'm going to channel andrew for a second he's doing something else. as an ethical person, would you be okay with the re-election of president trump? >> i'm not a big trump fan. i don't like the tweeting. i wish he would taste his words and lick his thumbs before he spit them out. he's impetuous i have to agree with a lot of his policies i think it's important stability is critical to the success of our policy. we want to know for certain which way we're headed. >> i thought i did fine with you. >> no, let me make it more complicated. if i give you elizabeth warren
or i give you the president, what do you do >> i would go with the president. >> all right >> okay. we're out of here. andy card, thank you appreciate it. he's a bush guy, too. >> no, i know. that's why i was asking. >> okay. >> but i think this is a larger issue about how this whole election is playing itself out. >> i knew how he would answer that question from some of his preview -- i kind of -- >> i wasn't 100% sure. >> most people don't have a whole lot of trouble picking, most capitalists. >> we have a huge guest, a huge capitalist special interview with none other than kris jenner it is straight ahead we're going to talk about the $600 million stake beauty company that cody is taking in 'll lk ahter kiley's company wetabout it when we return right here on "squawk box. ♪
welcome back to "squawk box. take a look at futures we are in the green. dow up 50 points nasdaq looking to open about 35 points higher and the s&p 500 looking about 9 points higher. it is now time to talk to kiley jenner's mother. she's selling a controlling stake in her cosmetic startup to cody for $600 million. they plan to expand the bruty brand globally and branch out to
new categories joining us in her "squawk box" debut is kris jenner, ceo of jenner communications. kris, thank you for calling in this morning. >> thank you good morning. >> waking up early so it's funny because, you know, when you and i talked last week or right before we talked on stage you said something big might be coming. you made references to private equity tell us, how did this deal come to pass? >> this was a moment for our family to be proud it's a crystallization of all of our work but also a moment to just look forward. beauty business.
into a huge thing. there's something to think about. >> how much of this was about building a business. how much of this is a little bit. >> kiley how much of this is in the business >> that was really important >> it's just a few years so excited about the partnership. going through many categories. skin this year
working with cody to develop more categories. >> that's very exciting. she belongs. this is where her passion is she really wants to use her creative side to develop her brand and this is what she wants to do for the rest of her life she talks about it all the time. 20 years from now she sees this. she will be passing it down to her daughter. >> kris, it's joe kernen i thought of a philosophical question a lot of people that become billionaires or become incredibly wealthy, they become reclusive. i'm just wondering, would there ever come a time where the car dwrarns would become not a media family, not someone that has a reality tv show but just purely business people and just run the
business and just stay out of the public eye and just -- i mean, could you see that >> the media piece is so integral to the rest of the business. >> it is integral. some day it might not be is it integral to the business or do you just like being out there? >> well, i think that, you know, we enjoy what we're doing. we have a very successful television show in almost 200 countries around the world and that really does expand, you know, the global reach for us for sure, but we really enjoy what we're doing and we've been doing it now for over a decade we're about to start shooting season 19 in a couple of months and we're finishing up 18 now. it's what we do. we love working together as a family and i think that we enjoy so much all the creative things we do, all the brands we work on, all the different categories we're able to expand in. and i think that because we
enjoy success at some of these things that it really does reflect on the other family members. so when somebody like -- if kiley had an exciting day yesterday, her family and brother and sisters are so excited for her. that just really expands the reach of all of the kids it kind of, you know, is this blanket across the whole family and i'm just really proud of th them. >> now that you have a relationship with cody, could you sell any of the businesses by any of your other daughters i'm thinking of the kkw or skims and effectively consolidating the whole empire with a private equity arm, if you will? >> well, i think there's always that possible biltd, you know, as the businesses grow i think that the focus for the kids isn't always about growing
it just to sell it i think they are so passion fwhat what they're doing for example, you mentioned kim's skims. i can't think of a better match than kim and her skims business because she's just dreamed about this for a decade, you know, thought about developing something like this, thought about creating a business like this and she's done it and she lives it and breathes it and i watch her every single day try to, you know, create something even better, you know? and it's really exciting so i think that it's the whole process of what they're going through and learning they're all still so young i think about myself and when i was that age and have the ability to be so creative and have the tools to be able to build these things i think it's very exciting for them and i think that if they do grow the business and they're able to sell something and keep having a
hand in it, that that's kind of the ideal situation. >> kris, you've done just such an amazing job in building brands and building a family business a lot of entrepreneurs struggle with family businesses do you have -- what's your secret to keeping everybody aligned and together and having that positive belief in each other? >> well, you know, i get asked that question a lot, and i think that we really truly like each other and really get along well and we spend a lot of time together and i think the key is probably communication i was on the phone last night with kim for quite a while just, you know, talking about her businesses and what's next and, you know, on and on. and i think, you know, i do that a lot with the girls and i think just really communicating about what they really want to do with their lives and, you know, i have ten grandchildren so that's really exciting.
and we spend a lot of time together with the kids and i'm just really blessed to have this big huge family and there's a lot of joy mixed in with all of the business and the filming it's kind of the perfect storm so i'm really lucky but i think communication would be the word that -- you know, whatever that means to you and just being able to remember to enjoy the really sweet times and the family moments and it's not all just about business >> that's very important advice. kris, i'm wondering when you're building a brand is there a particular social media platform that you think is most effective? and in thinking about using that platform, do you think about the other things that the platform might now come under fire for? such as privacy concerns or using consumer data? does that ever enter the equation
>> we have a great digital team. we spread our social media out amongst different platforms. there was barely twitter ryan seacrest, i said this to you, andrew, he said you might want to tell kim about this thing called twitter, she's going to love it there wasn't even instagram. i think being able to adapt to new and different platforms at like now there's tiktok and there's, you know, all of these different things i think that the privacy part of it is, you know, obviously i've said this very vocally, you know, concerning and there's different aspects of social media that, you know, any of us might not be real happy about, but then there's that side of it
that's so amazing and just -- you know, the kids' ability to go out there and use it for just positive things and obviously for business works really well for us so it's been such an amazing asset for my family. >> so, kris, how many phone calls did you get from other private equity firms that want to buy other kardashian/jenner businesses >> well, you know, a girl doesn't talk about everything. >> i knew that would be your answer i hope you collected 10% on this deal is that how this all works >> well, you know, i've told you that before. listen, she's -- she's -- she's really lucky to be in the position she's at and we work hard and i just want to continue to help the girls do whatever it is to, you know, just focus on what it is their dreams are and that makes me really happy i think any time a mom is able
to see the success of her daughters at this level and have them be really great people with great hearts and be super focused, i'm just super proud. >> kris, i want to thank you i just want to say, we said it during commercial break. this familyand these women are the most disciplined business women. i got to see it in person and spending time with them on the phone and other things it's almost under appreciated sort of what they're really doing here because it's a genuine -- it's a genuine business. >> kris, you probably should dvr this show. i know it's early out there. become a really faithful "squawk box" viewer for the entire family, i think. >> i'm going to set it on recording. kris, thank you so much. >> every morning, guys. >> thank you, kris.
>> that sounded sincere. >> that's a hell of a deal. >> it's amazing. it's 270 million followers the brand's nothing. the company is nothing without her involvement. >> yeah. >> if they pick up the cash you still control the company. >> you would never not do the reality show because it's so synergistic but you might have the opportunity if you ever got -- but it seems to play into all of it. >> it's the social media, it's the linear -- >> i can't imagine having a camera around -- >> oh, wait a minute. >> you do every day. >> forgetting that anyway, coming up a rare perspective on hong kong and the china trade war from one of the most informed leaders in the business yum china's mickey pant joins us on both of these topics. stay tuned you're watching "squawk box" on cnbc tomorrow on "squawk box. becky quick has an exclusive interview with target ceo brian
welcome back to "squawk box. october read starts up close to 4 o perfection percent and a positive revision last month which took it down 9.4 to 7.9% at 1.296 million that's seasonally adjusted annualized on the permit side, very solid up a solid 5%. brings you to 1.4% seasonally adjusted annualized units. on that housing number, 1.314.
you do remember that august number at 1.386 was the highest since june these are decent numbers one would think it would firm up a bit. dollar index has recovered somewhat trumped. the reason he talks is to stamp that number down we'll continue to monitor how to rest at lower yields when everybody was excited as christine lagarde took the helm. andrew, back to you. >> thank you for that. appreciate it. great to see you want to get over to steve liesman who joins you. steve? >> good number, andrew we've been in this back and forth here on housing where one month it shoots up another month it shoots down and
this is one of those where it's up a second month in a row here that it's been on the way. we have a bit of a recovery. look, you have this increase in interest rates it went from 382 on the average 30 year mortgage up over 4% but that's still down year over year from say a year ago. you remember back pushing 5% and that's -- so we still have some stimulus to the housing market housing had been detracting from gdp for quite a few quarters i made some notes here 4 of the past 14 quarters going back to the second quarter of 2016 residential building has been a negative for gdp. now perhaps it's on the way back housing starts also kind of slumped since june 18. one thing that's good here, i'm just trying to figure it out here the single family number, the one unit structure is at 936 i'm just going to confirm that with my glasses here guys, that looks like the best number going back to january of
2019 so it's the second best month of the year for single family starts melissa, that's good news if we can maintain some positive momentum from the housing market for growth while we deal with the other side, which is the trade side and the manufacturing side it could be at least a decent offset, melissa. >> steve, thank you. steve liesman. we're taking a look at shares of tjx. let's look at the beat and raise on the quarter much different from the results that we had prior to tjx with kohl's those shares are higher by 2.4% higher yum's china micky pant "squawk box" and more coming up. ♪ yes i'm stuck in the middle with you, ♪ no one likes to feel stuck, boxed in, or held back.
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everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. welcome back to "squawk box. fried chicken wars are hitting china. apparently popeye's signing a lease in shanghai for the first store in the country the chain's parent company says it is ready to take on kfc and become the market leader our next guest knows the landscape very well. micky pant is the senior advisor. are you worried about popeye's
entering china >> not at all. kfc, there are more kfcs in china than america it's always good to get new competitors and companies. we'll see what happens. >> have you had that chicken sandwich from popeyes? >> i have not. >> you have no idea? >> i have seen the product and seen descriptions of it. i haven't eaten it. >> do you want to eat it >> i would be eating it, deconstructing it, trying to figure out what magic they -- >> i probably will i talked to people who are following it very closely in the u.s. yeah it will be interesting to see what happens. >> why do you think that just took off like lightning in a bottle >> i think food innovation in this industry always works i think there's been so many instances of long lines forming when a new product is launched i think that's what happened it's a good product and it's innovative everybody is hungry for a chicken sandwich. >> you saw the biggest problem that happens in a category or with a brand, you always have
big results. pop eye's, typical chicken on the bone concept, full meals, so this was -- this was sort of a breakthrough for them. >> yeah, right. >> it's funny to hear chicken wars chicken sandwich has been around forever so they've got one, but it solved their particular problem. >> right. >> when people with chick-fil-a started rolling out people were going crazy for that sandwich. >> the sauce. >> china is the world's biggest growth market for fast food so everyone's going there and we've been there, david knows, for 30 years. >> yeah. >> do you think operating in china has changed? >> it's become easier in the sense that technology has moved far beyond what you see in any other country. so far ahead of america in terms of payment systems five years ago we onlyhad cash transactions and 90% now is through qr codes and there's no cash at all in stores. and the same thing for
pre-ordering or menus and people go into stores, they don't look at the menus. >> what kind of fees do all of the various banks and others take relative to the united states, for example? >> it's evolving so it's very beloved. obviously we were there and we had the first alliance like alibaba to roll out across the system it's negotiated. it's obviously a trade secret we operate with but the two big guys are ali pay and we chat pay. far ahead of anybody else. >> have you seen any pact from the u.s.-china war with respect to trade and do you think the u.s. should take a harder stance for bills that will condemn china with what they're doing with hong kong protesters? do you think the u.s. should wade into that would that make businesses harder have no effect how do you view that >> the first question, melissa, the market is growing nicely
i think we've declared 3/4 of results. we're in the fourth quarter, cannot talk about it the business has grown and we're building a lot of stores last year we built more than 800 new restaurants in one country and as you refer to popeyes and others, everyone is coming in. the market is growing very rapidly. >> as for whether or not the u.s. should wade into the china/hong kong -- >> that's a political question i don't have a particular political view. >> i'm not saying you have a particular political view. would that make business harder for you? >> the sanctions if sanctions happen, depends what shape or form they take we buy a billion chickens a year in china they're all chinese chickens we process them, sell the food a lot of our supply food chain is local we are a delaware company but we have a chinese ceo who runs the
company. 400,000 employees in the country, operate 9,000 stores in 1300 cities. it's a big business. it has the characteristics of a chinese business and american business. >> how many more cities? you're in 1300 cities. how many more? >> maybe 800, david. the infrastructure buildout is such a scale i hear comments about china which are ill-informed people making those comments haven't been to china. they should go to china and live there and travel widely across the country. if you see the scale of the buildout in small cities and small towns, before i went i was told by my friends, it's an urban phenomenon, development, all in the special economic zones on the eastern seaboard. it's not true. look at the quality of the roads. frankly, their cell phones work better they're really far ahead i mean, i saw 5g in action i'm going to see 5ge
they're very far ahead. >> thank you, micky. coming up, how close is dow 30,000 i can answer that's like 2,000 away, isn't it have i got that -- >> yeah. >> rhetorical question jeremy siegel from the wharton school with his prediction on what will make it pop or drop. are you still -- we can use that now? and what the fed should be watching stay tuned, "squawk box" is right back. don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. you'll get interviews, original content, and behind the scenes access look for us on apple podcasts or su aour favorite podcast appnd bscribe to squawk pod today.
some nicks numbers take a look at where shares are. premarket down 3.5% right now. joining us for more analysis is peter keith. senior research analyst at piper jaffray. what's happening here in terms of this guidance whether this is specific to home depot, whether this is a larger story about the economy and the consumer where do you land? >> i think it's a broader issue of housing from the beginning of the year. >> you do? >> sure. we're looking at home depot, which is one of the better executers. this is the fourth consecutive same store sales miss. they've been blaming weather, lumber deflation which are all valid. the bottom line, our view, that's why we've been neutral for some time is that the housing metrics were pretty bad at the beginning of the year rates jumping up to 5.5% what's interesting now is you've seen rates come down below 4% and month by month we're slowly seeing housing metrics get
better sequentially. i'll call it q3 is hangover period. >> we're looking at other retailers down big time this morning. if you believe the call you're making, they should be down. if you believe this is a home depot only story, they probably shouldn't be affected as much? >> this is very specific to housing that had been on a tear for eight, nine years. we saw a lot of housing metrics change. >> you look at macy's, nordstroms, should they be down as much as they are? >> i don't follow those stocks certainly i think there's a broader view. >> lowe's tomorrow. >> lowe's tomorrow will be very interesting. there's basically the largest valuation gap between lowe's and home depot in five years there's lower expectations on lowe's it certainly seems to be in the early stages of a turn around and closing what we call the comp gap between it and the home depot. >> if there's a 6 to 9 month lag between the housing data, does that mean this is a trough
quarter? >> i think so. with rates that went below 4% in june and looking at july, august, september, slowly housing metrics are getting better sequentially. with a one to two quarter lag, this is the bottom q4 looks better and we outperform. >> you still don't like the valuation though >> no. i think exactly it's at 22 times. it's abnormally high valuation for home depot the stock is up 450% this year despite the sales weakness lowe's to us is an attractive line and you get the turn around opti optionality. >> so what was the issue here you think it's priced to perfection that's part of the issue that i'm thinking about. >> oh, yeah. absolutely 22 times earnings. they're basically guiding the year to grow earnings at 1%. it certainly was carrying a pretty lofty multiple into the quarter. >> what would you buy in the
space right now? >> anything else you would buy >> i think we're warming up to the idea that home improvement spending is going to outpace consumer spending in 2020. fundamentals getting better. we would like to see lower valuations in a few names. >> okay. peter, thank you. >> thank you very much we're about 45 minutes, a little less from the opening bell on wall street. joining us to talk about what's driving the markets and where they're primed to go next, jeremy siegel from the wharton school haven't seen you well come, good to see you. >> good morning, joe. >> for a while i think you thought the fed was a major part of the equation. you wanted one more cut. you got it in october. now the fed is out of the equation and we're back to what happens with china is that your view? >> absolutely. despite trump's visit with chairman powell. powell feels very comfortable now. i think he's got the support of the committee. he's got the support of the market
we're back to a positive slope term structure, which is a good sign i think the fed is not in the equation anymore it's the trade deal. market wants a trade deal. we get a trade deal where we lower tariffs. we're going to get a good 5 to 10% pop i think in stocks even from today's levels, which are all-time highs. >> that's not asymmetric risk. that's another 5 to 10%. if we didn't get a deal which is 70 to 80% priced in, if we didn't get a deal and if the trade war were to really heat up, it would be worse than 5 to 10% the other way in your view >> yeah. i think -- i mean, if we rachet up and it's way out of expectations, you know, the 25% tariffs, i still think are on the books for december 15th. if somehow that comes about, you know, i think we're going to have a swoon in the market don't forget, when we had a 20 perce% drop last christmas on the fears
that this was heating up, if it comes about it's not going to be any better you know, i don't think that's going to happen. i think the worst is a muddle through. we keep on delaying that the market will tolerate that for a long time but i think it's going to be hard to get a lot of progress on stocks without a deal >> you've -- i don't know when you first started recommending stocks for people. i mean, i -- i go back to 780 on the dow so i'm pretty sold on free enterprise, pliefrivate capital. would your way change if were to become a lot more socially democrat -- whatever they're calling it, whatever bernie sanders and elizabeth warren call their philosophy, would you become less bullish long-term on the united states if we adopted a lot of their program >> i agree with you.
basically the free market system is what is generated our wealth over time. first edition of stocks came on '94, i felt bullish about the united states and i still do i don't -- let's put it this way. i think the american public want a moderate in there, they don't want a warren and they don't want a sanders i think what is really important, of course, is also the senate as we all know. the oddsmakers are still saying that the senate is likely to stay republican, so even if within one of those two win, of which warren is the more likely, though, really the race has become really tightened up, really between biden and buttigieg and warren, it is actually almost a tossup in the markets, but if warren should come out ahead and the senate
stays republican, a nothing -- so basically you have a standoff, gridlock, which, of course, a lot of people think is not that terrible for the stock market >> you're watching -- i watch too. and the three you mentioned, all in the low 20s they're almost -- >> yeah. it is real horse race there. actually, it is my theory, bloomberg entered the market, into the primary system. not so much to win, but to get some votes, which he could have some -- a lot of power to throw if there is a deadlock convention among these three or four top candidates. >> not everybody is fortunate enough to go to warren or -- i'm not going to blame you entirely for 70% of millennials think socialism is a good idea but what is happening with you academics and professors can you -- have you -- did you leave that part out about how the profit incentive allocates capital to where it is most
effective? what happened? what are you doing >> yeah. >> are you surprised, are you surprised? >> i think it is one of the only departments. it is also a matter of definition and understanding and really faulty understanding of history. the kids are not learning history of socialism and what has been tried and failed. and i think that's a major -- >> if we can get to the kardashians, you know what i'm saying >> they're the biggest capitalist around. >> they got to start -- they got to start preaching it from the mountaintop. professor -- go ahead. >> go ahead. >> no, i'm just -- so 30,000, you've been talking about for a long time, looks like some day in the not too distant future, that might be the case. >> well, yeah. we're pretty fully priced, but what i like about is europe is beginning to look better and if
the dollar doesn't soar and if the -- which is already dollar look like it is not going to be moving up, i think the reason -- don't forget, so much of s&p profits come from europe, come from abroad. if we get a turn around in europe, japan, et cetera, we can drive some good pricing and good markets in s&p. >> professor, thank you. get back to work you know what i'm saying if you can turn one person today into -- in order to embrace capitalism, thank you. maybe andrew. >> oh, geez. coming up, we'll get out to san francisco now, over to the cnbc bureau at one market plaza where jim cramer joins us. i want to get your views on hd here home depot jim? >> okay. look, this is one of those where i'm going to miss the long time cfo of home depot.
i think she can put it in context. they did something that i think can be recovered once we find out more about -- internal glitch i thought what melissa said at the very beginning was most important. she said it is not the first time now, there is qgoing to be a certain point people say it is not the first time, every time it has been the first time in terms of some new excuse, but over and over again, a recurring problem. people say, let it settle and buy. and i think that's probably going to happen again because of exactly what you guys just said about the seven month lag. so wouldn't you want to buy it with the seven month lag after today's numbers that rick talked about. i think the answer is yes. i did -- >> do you agree with analysts that lowe's is a better buy because of valuation and it should close the gap with home depot at 22 or should lowe's be discounted valuation through home depot
>> i think discounted. you know who tells me that, marvin ellison, the ceo. saying please don't push the stock that much. i think ellison is unbelievable. he's doing a great job the company, lowe's, had no technology to speak of marvin's putting a lot of tech in, as he into knew to do at hoe depot. lowe's is getting to be a better buy. i don't want to, again, get ahead of what marvin is telling me marvin has a plan. ellison has emboldened lowe's to be far better than it has been in the last decade. >> jim, thank you. appreciate it very, very much. >> pro capitalism. i know you like capitalism i know you do. >> couple of big things to tell you about real quick -- >> he's in disguise. >> very special interview with goldman sachs' senior chairman lloyd blankfein. and breaking news as we speak, two jail workers who are on duty
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depot. that moderated the nasdaq held up relatively well want to thank david novak, oh great one. good to see you. i'll shake your hand andrew won't -- he'll do fist bumps. >> thank you for the cards >> thank you thank you. >> thank you >> pleasure. >> good luck join us tomorrow "squawk on the street" is next ♪ ♪ don't hold back be cool, look smarter ♪ good tuesday morning welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with david faber at the new york stock exchange jim cramer in san francisco as dream force ramps up today stocks aiming for more gains at the open, despite disappointments from home depot and kohl's retail could have its worst day of the month so far. europe is solid, though. dax up 1%. and ten year 180 as housing permits print a new cycle high road map begins with retail