tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 11, 2012 1:00am-2:00am PDT
>> i thought the people needed me. i rose my voice, because if i didn't raise my voice, now so when will i raise my voice? >> that is all for us tonight. >> that's all for us tonight, "ac 360" starts now. we begin tonight keeping them honest, with a mother who is asking the toughest question a mother can. why is my son dead? that is all pat smith wants to know. her son, sean smith one of the four americans killed on september 11th on that terror attack in bengahzi, libya. sean smith, one of the computer specialists at the consulate there. a month after, she watched her son's casket come off a cargo plane, a month after she says everyone promised her answers, everyone all the way up to the president of the united states, she says she is still waiting to
hear. still waiting for answers. waiting for a call. congress held hearings today. we'll talk about that shortly, but first, my conversation with sean smith's mom, pat. i appreciate you being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss. what do you want people to know about sean? >> oh, god. he was my only child. he was good. he was good at what he did, and he loved it. >> he loved working with computers? >> computers, radios. he was good at what he did. >> was that something he had done with a kid? was he always good with computers? >> we'll, when he was a kid, computers weren't out yet. and then they were out and i got a computer and he started showing me how you could build a
flame thrower by watching a computer and it told you how to do it. that's how it started. >> he lived in the netherlands were you able to communicate a lot. he served in a lot of very dangerous places. did you all ways know where he was? >> i knew where he was when he told me. for example, this time he was in the hague and that is where he was stationed. he was supposed to be there for about two years. and then he would transfer to some place else. i did not know he was going to be in libya. >> did he ever talk about the dangers that came along with his job? he served in iraq as well. >> yes. in fact, he sent me -- i still have it on my computer, where he sent me this thing. he was working in the palace over there. >> in baghdad.
>> yeah, in baghdad, and he says, got to go, and suddenly he just disappeared and i said what is happening over there. and he said listen. and suddenly i heard boom. where they were shooting at him. >> you must have worried a lot. >> when that was over. i can't spend my life worrying about it. i accepted what he wanted to do. >> i want to play for our viewers some of what president obama said about your son when he returned home. >> sean smith it seems lived to serve. first in the air force and then with you in the state department. he knew the perils of this calling from his tim in baghdad. there in bengahzi, far from home, he surely thought of heather and samantha and nathan and he laid down his life in service to us all. today, sean is home. >> he's mentioning his wife and
children. when you heard the president say that, what did you think? >> this is the first time i heard the president say that. >> it is really? >> yes, he never told me that, sean knew he was in a bunch of scary places. i knew he was in scary places. i didn't expect him to get blown up. i didn't expect him to die. >> do you feel that you know what happened or are you still searching for answers. have you been in contact with the state department? have they reached out to you and given you details of what happened? >> that is a funny subject. i begged them to tell me what happened. i said i want to know all the details all of the details, no matter what it is and i'll make up my own mind on it.
and every one of them, the big shots up there told me that they promised me that they would tell me what happen. as soon as they figure it out. no one not one person has ever, ever gotten back to me other than media people and the gaming people. >> her son was a big video gamer. >> we are going to have more with pat smith after a quick break. she has tough words for this administration, who she says has forgotten the promises they made to her the day sean's body was returned. also tonight, the latest on today's congressional hearings into the attacks.
death part of his agenda. pat smith did not speak about anyone's political agenda tonight. she is, however, bitter ly disappointed with the state department, the defense department and the white house tonight. we'll talk to you about what the state department has said. first more of my conversation with pat smith starting with her, as yet, until filled search for answers. who told you that they would give you information? >> you will love this. obama told me, hillary promised me. joe biden -- joe biden is a treasure. he is a real sweetheart. they all told me that -- they promised me. i told them please, tell me what happened. just tell me what happened. >> so you, are still waiting to hear from somebody about what happened to your son? about what they know or even what they don't know? >> right. officially yes. i told them don't give me any baloney that comes through with this political stuff. i don't want political stuff.
you can keep your political. just tell me the truth. what happened? and i still don't know. in fact, today i heard that he died of smoke inhalation. >> so you don't even know the cause of death? >> no, i don't. i look at tv and i see bloody hand prints on walls thinking is that my son's? i don't know if he was shot. i don't know. they haven't told me anything. they are still studying it. and the things that they are telling me are outright lies. that susan rice, she talked to me personally and she said this is the way it was. it was -- it was because of this film that came out. >> so she told you personally that she thought it was a result of the video of the protest. >> oh, absolutely. in fact all of them did.
all of them did. leon panetta actually took my face in his hands like this and he said trust me. i will tell you what happened. and so far, he's told me nothing. nothing at all. and i want to know. >> it is important for you to know all of the details no matter how horrible or tough they are to hear. >> exactly. i told them if it's such a secret thing, fine. take me in another room, whisper in my ear what happened so i know and we'll go from there. no. no. they treat me like -- at first i was so proud because they were treating me so nice when i went to that reception. they all came up to me, talked to me. i cried on obama's shoulder. and then he kind of looked off into the distance. so, that was worthless to me.
i want to know for god's sakes. or for allah's sake or for whoever's sake is there. >> you deserve answers. >> i think so. i believe i do. i believe it. it's my son. i had him for the first -- i told obama personally, i had him for his first 17 years. then he went into the service. then you got him. and -- i won't say it the way i said it. but i said you screwed up. you didn't do a good job. i lost my son. and they said we'll get back to you. we will. i promise, i promise you. i will get back to you. >> some of the administration have said we are investigating and still trying to find out answers. >> they still are. >> you want them to contact you an keep you apprised of the --
of the investigation, of where things are. you would think that they would at least do that. >> that would be so nice. that would be so nice. they would at least acknowledge that i have a right to know. something. something other than, oh, we're checking up on it. or trust me. i like that one the best of all. i like that one. trust me, i will let you know. well i don't trust you anymore. i'm not going to say lied to me, but you didn't tell me and you knew. >> pat smith, thank you. >> okay. >> a grieving mother. we are joined by two women who broke news on this story so far, fran townsend and foreign affairs correspondent, jill dougherty. fran serves on the recent advisory board and had traveled
to libya and met with ambassador stevens. obviously mrs. smith is upset. you know, it's very understandable why she would be. what is the procedure though for keeping a family informed? she said we will let you know what happened? do they wait until the investigation is over? you would think somebody would be in contact with them. >> there is an office in the justice department. because this is now a criminal investigation, they responsible -- the office of victim/witness assistance. they are supposed to be the advocates inside the apparatus of the u.s. government to get updates, to make sure the families are kept apprised. but you also expect and every department has this. if it's an employee lost, or a member of one of our law enforcement or intelligence service, that agency takes ownership of making sure to shepherd the person through the system and around the system. in many respects, it's sort of
incomprehensible to me. these are people -- the family members were identified. they met with senior officials, and it is not as though they don't know where she is. >> initially i thought maybe they were in contact with sean smith's wife, who, i guess, is in the netherlands. but she was at this reception. they clearly talked to her. >> that's right. in fact, often times with a family that's lost someone, there's more than one person. so you'll have the parents of the victim, you may have a spouse, extended family. and it becomes the government' s responsibility to care for that family and keep the family informed. >> jill, you reached out to the state department this evening about what pat is saying what are they saying? >> they are saying since the beginning they have made it a priority to maintain contact. they say in the last 24 hours before the congressional hearing, they reached out by
phone to at least one member of the family and told them what would be reported at the congressional hearing. and they also said we'll make sure that the mother of sean is contacted by us. so, they won't get into a lot of specifics but they maintain that they have been in contact with the families in some way or another since the beginning. >> so you're saying they're now saying that they will contact mrs. smith? >> yes. they said they'll make sure that they are. >> at this point, who are they supposed to believe? there have been so many didn't stories out there, fran, so many different -- now there's lots of political allegations. we had this hearing today, some saw it as a politcal hearing. politics motivating it. what -- >> you know, look. this is really hard. in the first 48 to 72 hours, the first facts are often wrong.
the media and american people understand that. but the problem is tomorrow is a month since the attack. it is hard to imagine that no one has talked to this woman. the autopsy which was done at dover air force base with all of the victims and with fbi present is well-known fact. the results of that are understood by investigators. there's no excuse for not sharing that information with this victim's mother. >> right. jill, the hearing -- let's talk about the hearing that happened today, which the state department defended the administration's handling of the attack. you said it was highly political. did it resolve anything? >> anderson, you know, i didn't hear a lot of new information at all. i think, i and some others who were watching it at the time were struck by the fact that it turned into this sparring. and it was very, very personal between, you know, the republicans and the democrats. so, it -- you don't think that
it accomplished very much when you get down to the nuts and bolts of what was learned. >> the state department said that they had -- i don't have the exact phrasing, but basically the appropriate number of people on the ground. and there was a sharp rebuke from the panel saying how can you say that given that four americans are dead? >> right. that's the essential thing. and not to explain away what the state department is doing, but their view would be based on the information that the had at that point coming from their agencies and others on the ground. they believe that they had the adequate amount of staffing. now, they also say that that event was so extraordinary that basically nothing a few more people, a few more, let's say, protective measures coulnot have protected from something that they are describing as combat -- military combat
attack. >> there is an investigation underway. at this point, who is responsible for giving the definitive account of what happened and what cables were sent and doing this investigation? >> well, as we've said and reported, anderson, there's an accountability review board and there are these congressional hearings. in the end, the definitive version of the facts will come from the fbi who are responsible for putting together the investigation and potential prosecution. they will be the keepers of the evidence. but i must tell you, the answer on its face that we had adequate security fails the commonsense test. if you step back from the partisan politics of washington, and you talk to average americans who have no dog in this fight. they say obviously we didn't have adequate security. if we're looking to assign blame, the terrorists are to blame for the deaths. but we want accountability and we want to make sure that we understand how can we make sure? the state department are working
in dangerous places. how do we assess threats, assign security responsibility? >> the state department said today in this hearing that no amount of sort of the usual security would have been able to deal with dozens of attackers. there were dozens of attackers who were heavily armed. you say -- >> i say we have forward operating bases in iraq and afghanistan during the height of the war, and we protected them. >> and the facility itself was not secure in terms of the technological security devices there. >> if you're at a facility that you cannot protect, you cannot protect from the threat present, you shouldn't be there. if you are there and you believe you can protect it, give it adequate resources. this is less about blame rather than accountability. >> you don't want this to happen again and there are other facilities that we have that are like this consulate. that's the bottom line here and getting answers for the families. >> >> jill, i appreciate your reporting time. fran townsend as well. let us know what you think right
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another keeping them honest report tonight. look at what mitt romney says about abortion. not what he believes deep down, but his statements and positions as a candidate, past and present. his record as an elected official and how it all comes together right now. right now, mitt romney needs swing voters, especially women.
which is why mr. romney seems to be sounding more moderate on a range of issues. just yesterday, comments he made about abortion were picked up by democrats as governor romney taking a more centrist position. now listen to this q & a with a reporter from "the des moines register." >> do you intend to pursue legislations specifically regarding abortion? >> there is no legislation with regard to abortion that would become part of my agenda. >> right after he said that, however, his spokeswoman said this to the national review. "governor romney would support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life." and later today mr. romney said what he would do as president. >> i think i said that time and again, i'm a pro-life candidate, i'll be a pro-life president. the actions i will take immediately would be to remove funning for planned parenthood it would not be part of my budget. >> that's consistent with his
position throughout the primaries. in the past, he said he supports the 14th amendment protections for pre-birth children. and was his statement to the des moines paper an attempt to tailor the message to voters there or was it simply a misstatement or a mistake? his views have changed over time often it seems to coincide where and when he's running for office and where he was running for office. in 1994 he was running against senator ted kennedy in massachusetts. he said this. >> i believe that abortion should remain safe and legal in this country. i believed that since roe v. wade has been the law for 20 years, we should sustain and support it i sustain and support that law, and the right of a woman to make that choice. >> he lost that election. eight years later running for governor in massachusetts he said this. >> so when asked will i preserve
a woman's right to choose, i make an unequivocal answer, yes. >> he said he would not make it more change, is that would "make it more difficult for a woman to make that choice herself." once elected, though, mr. romney changed his position and vetoed a bill expanding access to emergency contraception. fred thompson made an ad using that 1994 pro-choice clip against him. i asked the governor about that during a debate, here is what he said. >> i don't know how many times i could tell it i was wrong. i was effectively pro choice when i ran for office. if people in this country are looking for someone who never made a mistake or who is not willing to admit that they are everrong. they are going to have to find somebody else. on abortion, i was wrong, and i changed my mind as governor. this didn't happen the last couple of weeks or last year.
this happened when i was governor, a bill came to my desk. i could not sign a bill that took away human life. >> tonight, it's that, his record that has many on the left crying flip-flop. folks on the right saying he was misunderstood or mistaken. joining us now is the traveling press secretary for the romney campaign. the president was asked to comment about romney's comments about abortion to "the des moines register" let's play a clip of what he just told abc news. >> this is another example of his hiding positions that he has been campaigning on for a year and a half. >> do you dispute that maybe he has moved to the center and that there's a different tone, maybe a centrist approach? >> not on abortion. the campaign said to go back and look at the interview that he gave in june of 2011 if you want
to know how he would govern as president. >> was that a mistake by the des moines register or an oversight? >> i read his quote and i believe it was probably more of an oversight and he said there is no legislation that he can think of. but he has already said he would sign legislation if it came to his desk on fetal pain which is probably the greatest challenge to roe being challenged. >> do you see a move toward the center on other broader issues in the debate? >> not in a way that would close any kind of daylight between president obama and governor romney. i think he was talking about his health c.a.r.e. plare plan last. i believe everybody was given a 90-minute opportunity to be more -- >> in his health care plan he was saying pre-existing conditions are covered. but under most definitions, pre-existing conditions are not covered. if you have health insurance and
you lose your job and have a preexisting condition, you can continue with coverage if you pay the premiums, that's not most people's definition. >> that is right. and i read that his senior adviser did talk about that in the spin room after the debate and clarified. i do want to say that the whole abortion and contraception, it's been talked to death this year through the war on women. i noticed conspicuous by his absence in that debate, president bush never uttered abortion or contraception -- >> but the health care thing we just talked about. his spokesman corrected him afterwards. why did he need to be corrected? you would think he would know what his position is. >> you have to ask governor romney what he said. i don't think there is any machination in trying to misspeak? >> jen, do you see machination
here? >> i think mitt romney is willing to do or say anything to become president. on issues like women's health care, on immigration, on his embrace of a $5 trillion tax cut, those are positions that are the far right wing of the party. we'll hold his feet to the fire for the next 27 days. it does amaze me that, you know, mitt romney had one good night. the president didn't have the best night, he's been pretty straight forward about that, but we're running like we're five points behind in these swing states. i hope that the romney team is doing the same thing but there's a bit of overconfidence i'm hearing from kelly anne and others on the romney team. >> sorry, never. i'm not part of the romney team, i certainly support him for president. no overconfidence here. this race is not over and late in the game deciders are female. the only thing to them, when you talk about women's health, they think about cardiovascular issues, osteoporosis, obesity,
nutrition, diabetes. they don't think about abortion. you take in the word that was once called abortion, now it's choice, and now it's women's health, it's insulting to women. let them make the decision. >> those are preexisting conditions are you talking about. i still don't understand why governor romney during that debate would be saying his health care covers pre-existing conditions when by most peoples definition of pre-existing conditions his plan doesn't cover that. >> there's another thing, anderson. you explained it better than president obama did in his debate. >> i appreciate the compliment, but i would like an answer. >> here's my answer. what president obama did in that debate is thank mitt romney for providing inspirational blueprint and political cover to help construct obama care. >> i don't know how any candidate running as long as mitt romney and as smart could get his own policies so wrong, unless he was trying to appeal to a wider range of people by kind of -- kind of painting with
a very broad brush and a definition that most people don't have about what a pre-existing condition is. >> mitt romney is not a liar. he's not going lie about his own health care plan. he got that part wrong, according to his senior adviser. >> he just did last week. >> so he got it wrong? so you're saying it was a mess take? >> that's what eric said, he's his adviser. i assume they're correct. >> jen, do you believe it was just a mistake? >> look, i have to say, this is becoming a pattern. when something becomes a pattern, you have to wonder what's behind it and why mitt romney is so uncomfortable with his own positions. >> it's going to be a fascinating debate. tomorrow night the vice president s debate. thank you. >> thank you. the family of lily ann carrie is speaking out. they want to know she's more than a statistic in the deadly fungal meningitis outbreak. you will hear from them ahead. and dr. sanjay gupta has
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keeping them honest. important information tonight on the company at the center of the deadly meningitis out break involving ten states. 137 people have been sickened. 12 people have died. as many as 13,000 may have been exposed to the tainted steroid injections linked to the outbreak. the injections were made by a company called the new england compounding company. the company is regulated by a pharmacy, not the fda. its owners are not taking questions. dr. sanjay gupta got as far as the parking lot before he was told to leave. he managed to take a look behind the facility though. what he found was surprising.
a recycling site filled with waste and garbage, right next to the building where inside medications are mixed. turned out the recycling center is owned by the same guy who owns the compounding center. today, sanjay did some more digging. this is what he found. >> necc, this is the place where the deadly meningitis outbreak started. we came here looking for answers. but we soon found out no one would talk. is there someone we can talk to? wove been leaving voice messages and -- >> i even went straight to the home of the owner of the facility. there was a car parked at the end of the driveway. no visitors allowed. but i was told they would call me back. they didn't. >> we're trying to get some information. but there was something else we noticed. >> look closely at the name of this garbage facility connected to the necc. conigliaro. this is the maiden name of
barry's wife, lisa. she is also named as a pharmacist at the necc. barry cadden, gregory panagenerio are owners of the necc and this medical facility. they wouldn't let us on the parking lot here. if necc is big, ameridose is the 800-pound gorilla. necc has 21 employees and generated $8 million in revenue. ameridose, 400 employees and generated $100 million in a year. ameridose does drug manufacturing which is regulated by the fda, but they also do ad mixing, that's a form of compounding, regulated by the state farmcy else. and here is something else. there is a woman named sophia, vice president of compliance at ameridose, also appointed to the state pharmacy board back in 2008. we asked them about that and they say she has recused herself
to all matters related to necc and ameridose. both have done business with the government. more than $800,000 of drug orders were placed with them from government agencies since 2007. together thousands of doses have been formulated, and now both have shut down their operations. >> and i'll tell you as well, the massachusetts department of health did not say there is evidence of contamination when it comes to products for ameridose. we're still trying to find out what is the connection between this 800-pound gorilla, ameridose and necc, and what that might mean for consumers going forward. >> the bottom line is the federal officials, the fda, is not responsible for overseeing the quality at these compounding pharmacies. it's up to state officials? >> well, ameridose does two
things, they do manufacture some medications, which comes under the purview of the fda, but they also do ad mixing, mixing together different medicine. that's the same thing we talked about with necc. that is a state-regulated thing. >> stay with us. lily ann carrie is one of the women who died. she died two weeks ago. she's more than a statistic. she was a wife, a mom, a grandmother. her family held a memorial service for her yesterday, honoring her life. the grief is mixed with fear and worry. lillian's husband got a steroid shot made by necc. george carrie joins me now along with his daughter, heather. i'm sorry for your loss. and i guess i want to ask you what do you want people to know about lillian? >> first of all, she was a wonderful woman. that she had a love for life. that she was part of our family and that this should not have
happened. this is a tragedy that goes beyond our family. from our standpoint, we wish to express our condolences to the other people who have also lost loved ones, and those people who may have also have been injected with this steroid and are undergoing the same period of uncertainty that we are in our family. >> george, you're not only dealing with the grief of losing lillian, but you had injections from the same pain treatment center. what have you been told about your own risk of developing meningitis? how do you feel physically? >> i was advised on friday afternoon of the connection between lillian and i and the batch and lot number of the recalled fda steroid. on saturday afternoon i had a spinal tap. those tests were sent out. i still haven't received any information regarding them.
i, like many other people, have steroid injections as a result of neck pain. neck pain is one of the symptoms of meningitis. it is something that i live with. as a result, i'm watching other body functions to try to keep on top of it. >> heather, when you heard that these injections came from a pharmacy that is not regulated by the fda, what did you think? did you know that? >> i was not aware of that at first. i can honestly say that shock, frustration, anger, and a little bit of disgust were definitely emotions that crossed my mind. i think it's ridiculous that these companies in this day and age are not mandated to have inspections. and this completely preventible death and tragedy had to happen
due to these oversights. >> i want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta. there are a lot of folks, 13,000 who may have gotten exposed to these shots. what are symptoms people should look for? george mentioned neck pain. >> yeah. let me add as well, george and heather, it's so tough to hear your story, what happened to your mom and wife. it is difficult, especially with this type of meningitis, a fungal meningitis, you may know is more rare than bacterial or viral meningitis. viral is the most common. george is right. neck pain is one of the symptoms. people can develop significant photo phobia, not wanting to be out in the light at all. headache, sometimes fever. now they are taking some of the fluid and examining it to see if they can see any evidence of fungus actually within the
fluid. it doesn't mean for sure if they don't find it, that he doesn't have be vigilant about this. george, i don't know if they told you this, but up to 28 days or so, if you have any of these other symptoms i'm describing, you need to get it checked out. that's a message we have been giving to everybody. >> george, have the answers you've been gotten been satisfactory? what do you want to see happen? you called this a wake-up call for the country. >> well, i think that the lobbyists and corporations have been a part of the political process regarding important issues. and i think this is an example of how that process works. >> heather, what do you want to see happen? who do you think should be held accountable here? >> i definitely think that the corporations should be held accountable. i think the federal government
should step in at this point and enforce stricter guidelines. obviously the state was not vigilant with their oversight in ensuring that the american public is getting safe drugs. >> sanjay, when you were out of the facility, is the fda now investigating them? are they the ones in charge of investigating? >> the fda is investigating the necc facility, at the heart of this, and today also ameridose, owned by the same people that own necc. but they are absolutely right. it's interesting. even at the state level when a facility like this applies for a license, they have a process that they go through at that point, but as far as we can tell, in talking to officials on the ground, unless there is a problem and that problem usually comes to light because something like this happens, not usually to this magnitude. but something happens and then the organization, the licensing organization comes back in to sort of check things out, this
particular facility back in 2002, as we've talked about was cited for unsterile practices. ten years later, you see what's happening. >> sanjay, is there preventive treatment for people who maybe received these injections but don't yet know whether or not it's going give them the meningitis? >> the one thing that doctors always wrestle with, should we treat somebody as if they have the infection even if we have not confirmed it? when it comes to this -- george, i don't know if they spoke to this with you, but thetreatment is a longer course of what they call anti-fungal medications. these are medications that you do want to have confirmed infection before you start using. it's a long course, sometimes involves being in the hospital for a few days. i think there's not a preventive course here, but just a real vigilance about these symptoms.
george, heather again, seaking to us one day after the memorial service, i appreciate you being on again. we are so sorry for your loss. >> thank you for having us on your show. >> thank you. our biggest concern was definitely putting a face to these statistics, because this is more than just numbers. these are human beings and loved ones and people. and hopefully by sharing our story, we're able to help bring more awareness to this, to get stricter guidelines going forward. >> i think everyone will think about lillian every time they hear about this and the others as well. and hopefully we'll learn more in the days ahead. thank you so much. stay strong. >> thank you. >> thank you. another deadly day in syria. at least 77 people killed in damascus alone. more on today's death toll, when we continue.
this is a "360 news" and business bulletin. opposition groups in syria say 197 people died in violence throughout the country today. video posted on youtube shows that opposition forces have taken over an area where the government forces detained and tortured anti-regime activists. >> in pakistan, a blogger and activist for girls was shot on her way home from school
yesterday. the taliban has claimed responsibility. surgeons worked today to take a bullet out of her neck. a spokesman for the taliban said if she survives this time, she won next time. quote, we'll certainly kill her." the amateur filmmaker who is to blame for the fighting that has broken out around the world was in a federal courtroom in california today. prosecutors are trying to evoke his probation from a 2010 bank fraud case. evidence against lance armstrong includes sworn testimony from 11 teammates who say they saw him doping. his lawyers have called it a hatchet job. google had a potential security hole in its browser and
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