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"outfront" next, are chris christie and the republican party breaking up? the man who decided not to invite the gov to the biggest gop event of the year is "outfront." and hundreds of detainees are being released, some say it's because of the forced spending cuts. is that real or a total scare tactic? and yahoo!'s new jobs policy igniting a firestorm of controversy. it is growing by the day into a complete conflagration. the company defends itself. let's go "outfront." and good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront," chris christie, maybe they're just not into you. times seem to have changed a bit for the new jersey governor. it wasn't too long ago that conservatives were crushing on the tough-talking christie. here's one of the most bizarre things i've ever heard rush limbaugh say.
>> is it wrong to love another man? because i love chris christie. >> where's the love now? the powerful conservative political action conference, to annual d.c. event that turns into a republican party of who's who is not even giving the governor an invitation. the reason, he's just not conservative enough. so wile all the 2016 white house hopefuls from his party, paul ryan, rand paul, marco rubio, they're parading around the conference next month, it's like a bunch of peacocks going around, showing your colors. are you red enough? chris christie will be left out in the cold. but don't worry, this is what people love about christie. he does not give a wit. he is who he is. here he is today in the video obtained by the new jersey star ledger. >> yeah, apparently i haven't been invited. i wish them all the best. they're going to have their conference, they're going to have a bunch of people speaking there. that's their call. it's their organization, it's their business. i can't sweat the small stuff.
i have a state to rebuilding. >> "outfront" tonight, al cardenas, the chairman of the union that organizes cpac. al, i appreciate you taking the time between rush limbaugh and chris christie there, my breath has been taken away. but it does sound like you're just not that into chris christie? >> the cpac is like for professional sports, the all-star game. some years you get in and some years you don't. we have hundreds of people to choose from. and we always have two standards. how relevant are you this year and did you earn it? and chris christie was a favorite a year ago. that's why we had him at cpac. you know, he cut spending, he balanced the budget, he brought school choice, he was a darling of conservatives, and we gave him a great reception. this year, he was for the spending bill of $60-some billion. he was for the medicare expansion in his state. so this year he didn't get one. i hope he gets back to the old form so we can have him again next year. >> but paul ryan's coming,
right, and he voted for a $600 billion tax cut at the beginning of the year. that's ten times more than chris christie. >> well, you know, paul ryan is the advocate of the ten-year balanced budget. he's fighting hard to get that done. i think if you take his work as a whole, he deserved an invitation. it will be a great cpac. we're very excited. as you know, we have more registrants this year than we've ever had. and if anybody has any doubt that the conservative movement is here to fight back, come to cpac. it will be a great event. >> all right. but i'm curious, though, because chris christie is a popular guy. 74% approval rating. >> yeah. >> he, by -- who knows what's going to happen in the next few years, right? but he could be the best thing your party has going. i don't get why it isn't a mistake to just not include the guy? >> well, look, there are two things we like to do. we want to, one, give you an attaboy if you've been a good conservative. and two, hopefully serve, i say,
as an incentive for you to be a conservative. so i hope chris christie gets it done this year. listen, he's always been a crowd favorite, but you've got to be a, conservative on that particular year in order to get invited. >> so bottom line, it's the $60 billion spending bill that you're upset about. it's not that he has restrictive gun control laws in his state, it's not that he's sort of been making noises that he doesn't want to go into the whole gay marriage thing? right, it's not social? >> listen, we invited him last year when all those issues were known. so, obviously, we've got a different economic perspective this year to judge him by. >> al, thank you very much. and one man who's no stranger to the conservative wing of his party is former presidential candidate, rick santorum. what do you think of this snub of chris christie? i'm still recovering from rush limbaugh's throaty lust-a-thon for chris christie. >> he never said that about me, so --
look, al cardenas can invite who he wants. i look forward to go. we'll be doing a lot of things to talk and rally conservatives at a time as you look over my shoulder and look at that capital, you don't see a lot of conservatives fighting for the principles that made our country great. and hopefully we can rally at that cpac conference and move out the from there. >> all right. well, i'm still trying to understand, though, why this isn't -- i mean, you have this picture, right, of chris christie and barack obama, right before the election. and i know, by the way, today, mitt romney just gave money to chris christie's gubernatorial campaign. so mitt doesn't seem to be holding a grudge. but a lot of people were really upset about that, thought it was influential in the election. uh i'm just wondering if this was a part of it. the paul ryan voting for $600 billion in tax increases seems to be a way bigger violation than a $60 billion spending bill.
>> well, i can't make any comments on a decision that an organization made. i mean, they invited me, they didn't invite chris, they have the reasons, you heard them. my feeling is, you know, the republican party, the great thing about the republican party, it's unlike the democratic party. there is a fair amount of diversity in our party. you guys on cnn, as well as other networks, spend a lot of time talking about the divisions in the republican party. and then you try to -- you make the claim, well, you know, the democratic party is a more inclusive party. well, wait a minute, there is no division of the democratic party. you don't talk about any divisions in the democratic party, so who is the real inclusive party and who isn't? so i think, that's actually a fairly good topic of conversation. >> let's talk about that. one reason people say that is because with gay marriage, right, and topper the former chairman of the rnc, ken mehlman will be will introduce a brief to the supreme court, in support of same-sex marriage. 100 prominent republicans have signed this. he agrees with you, i'm not trying to divide the gop, but he wants to make a difference. it's often with great respect to
the court. but if you are really a party that includes everybody, why take such a strong stance against gay marriage? >> well, why take a strong stance for it? i mean, we all should bring to the table what we think is in the best interests of the country. and i know ken and i like ken. i've worked with ken for years. and ken and i disagree on this issue. we disagree adamantly on this issue. but i respect his right to go to the court and to make his case, and go to the american public, which is even more important, in my opinion. you know, the one concern i have is that, you know, there's an attempt to have the courts decide this issue and not the american public. and in that respect, i would say to my fellow conservatives, that's not -- we've complained about that for a long, long time in this country, to have the courts step in and take away from the democratic process the right for people to make these kinds of very important judgments about what kind of country we're going to live in. so i don't have a problem with him advocating for what he
believes in, i do have a problem with the avenue that he's taking. >> rick santorum, thanks very much, and we look forward to seeing you at cpac. >> thank you. still to come, yahoo!'s ceo bans their employees from working at home. you've all heard about this. the controversy has the company on the defensive, but should it be. and now there's a real mission to send humans to mars. the man behind the plan is "outfront." and in the jodi arias trials, sex, lies, and a videotape from "48 hours." we, tonight, talk to the only reporter who has ever interviewed jodi arias. i' been . then i read an artie about study that oked at the long term health benefits of taking multivitamins. hey used centr silver f t study... so i guess my wife was right. male anner ] centrum. ways your mostomplet
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our second story "outfront," yahoo!'s mummy wars. ceo's marissa myers' new policy banning employees from working at home has ignited a firestorm. maureen dowd writes, mayer's bold move looks retro and politically incorrect. while another calls the policy backwards, saying, yours truly has never worked out of an office and never will.
but richard branson, you are a rather unique individual. and donald wrote in, marissa mayer is right to expect yahoo! employees to come to the workplace versus working at home. she is doing a great job. and joining us tonight, bonnie fuller, editor of hollywoodlife.com, and democratic strategist, hilary rosen. a lot of the backlash that started has centered around the fact that marissa mayer as the ceo, came in, six or seven months pregnant, something like that, right, then when she had her child, mcallister, she built at her own expense, a nursery right next-door to her office. so she had this amazing luxury of being able to have that. now she tells her employees, right, who you've got to assume, that a lot are working women, that they can't telecommute. so bad employee relations or fair and square? >> super bad employee relations. but first of all, we should note that the bureau of labor statistics show that an equal number of men work at home as women who work at home.
this is not just a mommy issue, it's also a daddy issue. but marissa mayer's problem is that she came in, built a nursery next to her office for her newborn, but yet she's telling everybody who works for her, you know, that kid at home and everything you've got to do, you've got to come to the office. i don't think everybody can bring a baby and have them hang out at their cubicle. it's an out of touch thing that a new leader really shouldn't do. >> interesting point. and you know, interesting that both men and women, can work from home. and obviously, i don't know what all the reasons are, whether it's related, and whether it's more children related or not. that's a real key question. bonnie, when you were a new editor at "cosmo," your youngest daughter was born, you brought her to work. that's a luxury, right, let's just admit it. most people, you can't. >> yes, it was a luxury. i had fantastic bosses at first. i talked to them about it, but i was in, really, a similar situation to marissa.
i had started a new job, i had just taken over as editor in chief as "cosmopolitan" magazine and i had a lot of work that had to be done and i was pregnant. and i didn't feel that i actually had the luxury of taking maternity leave. and i'm sure that that's exactly how she felt. she's got 14,000 plus employees depending on her being there, doing a fantastic job, raising revenue, raising the share price, all of which will benefit them. and so, she made the decision that instead of taking a lot of time off, she would come right back to work. >> two weeks of maternity leave, which is incredible. >> that's right. but most women don't want to do that. but she needed to do that, in her position, clearly, at least she felt she did. and so, she did what was necessary for her, in order for her to fulfill her job. >> go ahead,. >> bonnie wrote a great piece on
this today, and i'm a fan of bonnie's, but i don't think the issue is whether she was entitled to build a nurse tri next to her or whether, you know, it's not super human to have come back after two weeks from maternity leave. we're not talking about maternity policy. i just find it ironic that, you know, at a tech company, this sort of forward-looking ceo, who everybody said is kind of this new generation leader, has gone back to kind of a 1950s sort of a work policy mentality. it's -- if you can't get your employees to be motivated enough when they have stay-at-home work policies, this isn't -- these aren't parents who are taking maternity leave, these are people who are telecommuting and, your problem is leadership and motivation. your problem isn't kind of outdated policies. >> but, isn't it partly, though, as she said, it's the serendipitous stumble, to use my words. you run into something when you're at the coffee machine or you talk to someone at your desk, you're able to come up with more ideas, you get to know people more face to face. that's the one thing i've learned with all the technology,
the face to face meetings are still the ones that matter the most. >> i totally agree with you. and i don't think that this is a return to a 1950s policy at all. i think she is doing what she feels is necessary to build a great culture there, to foster innovation, creativity, teamwork. how can you be a team if you've got hundreds of employees that are all at a distance? and i have an organization too i run at hollywood life. and we get our best work done by all being together, putting ideas together, bouncing ideas off each other, exactly what you said. >> all right. >> you know, the one thing that is clear is that, we wouldn't be talking about this policy or this hr letter to employees if she wasn't, you know, a ceo in her 30s and a woman. clearly, there is this double standard. we know there are tough policies that men institute all across the country. having said that, you know, she's put herself out there at
some risk, at this point, i think. >> thanks to both of you. i can't decide if a man put it out if he would have been utterly filleted and fired by now or if anyone would have noticed. >> wouldn't have been noticed. >> and that would say something. for the first time, there's serious discussions about sending a man and woman spaceship to mars. the man behind the plan comes "outfront" next. and silverio berlusconi, tiger woods or danica patrick. we asked you which you would rather be, and you know what, the results are surprising. they're coming up. you got to br. if your tires need to be rotated, you have to get that done as well. jackie, tell me why somebody should bring they're car here to the ford dealership for service instead of any one of those other places out there. they are going to take care of my car because this is where it came from. price is right no problem, they make you feel like you're a family. get a synthetic blend oil change, tire rotation and much more, $29.95 after $10.00 rebate. if you take care of your car your car will take care of you.
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i heard something today that got my juices going. it's why i decided to wear red. because for the first time ever, people might go to mars. and today i actually got the chance to talk with dennis tito, the man who's making this happen. you may remember him, he's an american engineer, multimillionaire. he was the first space tourist. in 2001, he hitched a ride with the russians. he spent almost eight day ossen the international space station, orbited the earth 128 times. i asked him about his love of space and he said this. >> it just goes back to when i was 17 years old and sputnik was launched and there was the beginning of the space race. and i enrolled in university for
aeronautics and astronautics. so that's been my passion for life. and i made up my mind, you know, in my 20s, that i wanted to fly in space some day and it took me 40 years and i did it. >> pretty amazing. and this time around, he wants to send a couple, a couple, literally, man/woman, into space. according to tito, on january 5th, 2018, the planets will be perfectly aligned in such a way that a man and woman mission to mars is a real possibility. he told me it's like a boomerang, just go there and back. he plans to launch a mission to america, a two-person crew on an historic journey to the red planet. i remember watching the movie "contact" a few years ago, but i wanted to go and see another world. i fell in love with matthew mcconaughey and jodi foster, so when i heard about this mars trip, i was excited, but i had some questions, like, how long is it going to take? >> it's a total of 501 days. >> 501 days.
that's a big commitment. but this was a big dream of mine. i have been on long flights before and this is the experience of is a millennium. you know, at least you actually get to walk on mars. >> oh, no, no, no, no. that is very complicated and that's a long way off. you get to go within 200 miles. >> what?! >> you and your husband would represent the first humans to reach our next habitable planet. and you would represent humanity. and that's why we want a man and a woman. >> my husband? i've only been married to him for about 60 days, and i cannot imagine being in a tiny capsule with him for 501 straight days. but then i thought, you know, love may not transcend a "carnival triumph" cruise-like experience for 501 days, but you know what, space is too exciting. i'm in.
i'll get my husband in, if they'll have us. so what do you think? are you willing to make contact? would you volunteer for the mission to mars? please let us know at cnn.com/outfront. and still to come, the president is just moments away from giving a speech about the forced spending cuts that are going to hit this country in a couple of days. but if they're really so brutal, why is the president finally called for a meeting just a few hours before the cuts hit? and more strange and lurid testimony in the jodi arias trial. the only network correspondent to ever interview her comes "outfront." you in town for another meeting? yup, i brought my a-team. business trips add up to family time. this is my family. this is joe. hi joe! hi there! earn a ton of extra points with the double your hhonors promotion and feel the hamptonality. ♪ ♪ ♪
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start the second half with stories we care about, where we focus on our reporting from the front lines. we begin with new developments tonight on where the white house stands on increasing aid to the opposition in syria. two administration officials tell us that secretary of state john kerry is going to offer the opposition a package in the tens of millions of dollars. they say it will include aid for the armed opposition. we know the administration has been considering nonlethal military equipment, like night vision goggles and body armor. the package would still need to be signed off for president obama. senator marco rubio today said he supported providing ammunition to the rebels. well, some last words of wisdom for one of the most powerful men in the world.
today, pope benedict xvi gave his last address to a general audience as pope. he recounted his eight years as being filled with joy and light, but also moments that were not easy. that was perhaps a reference to the sex abuse scandal that has plagued the church, if you read between the lines. he said the church was passing through stormy seas, but added, god will not let her sink. despite the tremendous vails, raymond royals says benedict's statement was an elegant statement of his abiding faith and humble confidence in god's power. and a note on the pope's last day. i'll be co-anchoring a two-hour special tomorrow that begins at 10:00 a.m. eastern. on february 10th, the vacation cruise was settled dead in the water, but carnival "triumph's" passenger ca wrote and wrote and wrote. she kept a journal as the events on the ship unfolded. this is a lesson to always keep a journal, because six days after she got back on land, she is the self-published author of "triumph over calamity." an amazon spokeswoman tell us this is happening more and more. a "costa concordia" passenger
wrote about the disaster a few weeks after that calamity. and so far, it's doing well. okay, on the show yesterday, you may remember, we talked about three people. tiger woods, danica patrick, and silvio berlusconi, who are so successful that even when they lose, they still get almost all the attention. and at the end of the story, i asked you to go to our blog and take our poll. the question was, who would you rather be? tiger, danica, or silvio? we got a lot of responses and so far, running away with the competition is danica patrick, with 66% of the vote. tiger is 28, silvio with only 6. but i was confused, because if you vote for silvio, you get to buy the car and, you know, whatever else you want to buy. and it also proves our point that even though tiger and silvio lost to danica, we're still talking about them. it has been 573 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating and what are we doing to get it back? with those forced spending cuts
two days away, a lot of people are in limbo. on friday, indiana will halt unemployment benefits until it gets more guidance from washington. and cutting detainees loose. the immigration and enforcement agency has released several hundred detainees ahead of the forced spending cuts. i.c.e. says they're just moving the detainees to less costly forms of supervision. republicans call the move outrageous and accuse the obama administration of resorting to scare tactics. our jim acosta is "outfront." >> reporter: to prepare for those looming the forced budget cuts, federal immigration authorities say they've released what they're describing as several hundred detainees who are in the process of being removed from the country. one of those detainees, 19-year-old mexican immigrant, miguel hernandez, told cnn, he was just sent on his way, without any directions, and without any monitoring. >> so they let you free, and you still don't know what to do now? >> i don't know what to do. i'm just waiting, just waiting for the mail, to see what it is.
>> reporter: the release is just the latest sign of the unintended consequences to come from the forced spending cuts that start kicking in as late as 11:59 p.m. eastern time, friday night. lawmakers up on capitol hill feel blindsided. >> if they're undesirable to have in the united states, they ought not to be released out on to our streets when they can perpetrate more crimes. >> reporter: when asked whether the administration was notified ahead of time about the release, white house press secretary jay carney began reading from a prepared statement. >> are you confident that not one of these detainees is a threat to his or her community? >> this was a decision made by career officials at i.c.e., without any input from the white house. >> reporter: but homeland security secretary, janet napolitano, did drop a major hint of the release when she stopped by the white house on monday. >> but there's only so much i can do. you know, i'm supposed to have 34,000 detention beds for immigration. how do i pay for those? >> reporter: immigration authorities stress the detainees are what they consider low-risk, and noncriminal.
and that many, though not all of them, are being monitored. >> it's possible that some of them might not be brought back in. >> i would refer you to i.c.e. i don't think this is a conversation that i can help you with. >> reporter: an official with immigration and customs enforcement, known as i.c.e., who asked not to be named, said some of the detainees will be on intensive supervision, such as ankle gps monitors, while others will be on less intensive supervision, such as weekly check-ins at an i.c.e. office. as for miguel hernandez, he says he doesn't have any felonies on his record, and that he's been in the u.s. since he was seven, so he hopes to stay. for him, what washington calls sequestration may be his salvation. >> i would like to, like, make a life here. >> a government official tells cnn, immigration authorities are aware that the timing of this release looks bad, but the release also runs counter to an conventional wisdom in washington that's been building, that the effect of these cuts won't be felt right away.
but the fact of the matter is, no one really knows what the effect of the cuts will be, but the only thing that seems certain is that the cuts are coming. jim acosta, cnn, the white house. >> thanks to jim acosta. stephen moore joins us now with "the wall street journal" editorial page, and robert reich, author of "beyond outrage: what has gone wrong with our economy and democracy and how to fix it." robert, let me start with you. we're talking about scare tactics her. arne duncan, the education secretary today, was forced to backtrack, because this weekend he said, look, teachers are going to get laid off because of the sequester on friday. he was asked for an example. he talked about a school in west virginia. jim acosta, who you just heard reporting, called the school, and the school said the layoffs had absolutely nothing to do with the sequester. it does sound like a lot ofmongering. >> well, erin, something is going to happen, and we already see unemployment insurance is being suspended in some states. we see that people are being released from custody. airports are already making plans with regard to their inspectors, who are not going to be available. they're going to be on furlough. i don't think anybody in their right minds thinks you can take $85 billion out of the entire
system, and that's what we are beginning to do, starting friday, and not have an effect. >> all right. i want to ask both of you about what's happening here, though, with the way the white house is handling this. journalist bob woodward, as you both know, has come under fire, because he essentially blamed the white house for the automatic cuts and criticized the president's handling of negotiations with republicans, saying he's moving the goalposts. and he talked to wolf blitzer about that. i'm curious, stephen moore, whether you think -- does he really have a point, or is the white house does have a point also in saying, look, let's just go ahead and fix this now. no one wants these cuts. let's do a balanced approach. >> well, bob woodward is unquestionably correct that this was the president's idea, coming up with the sequester plan. he talks about it in his book. i've talked to republican leaders who were in the meetings, erin, who say, absolutely, the president who came up with this. and the reason why the president came up with this is because he thought that republicans wouldn't go along with these defense cuts, and therefore,
they would agree to a tax increase. and that's backfired now. but i think the big story here, where we're sitting right now, erin, i think the president has really overplayed his hand. i think americans really see what's happening, where he said, we had the term, we had an aircraft carrier and it couldn't be deployed to the middle east and now they're releasing criminals from the jail and you're going to have to have a 90-minute wait at the airport if you're going to be plying in march. a lot of americans are asking, wait a minute, we know there's a lot of waste in this federal budget. bob reich knows that. he ran a federal agency. they can find a way to make these cuts, in my opinion, business as do it all the time, without disrupting the vital services that americans depend on from our government. >> robert, let me ask you about what -- and play the exchange between bob woodward and wolf blitzer. because this is a pretty amazing thing that bob woodward says the white house did to him. here it is. >> i mean -- >> you're used to this kind of stuff, but share with our viewers what's going on between you and the white house? >> well, they're not happy at
all and some people kind of, you know, said, look, we don't see eye to eye on this. they never really said, though, afterwards, they've said that this is factually wrong, and it was said to me, in an e-mail, by a top -- >> what was said? >> it was said very clearly, you will regret doing this. >> who sent that e-mail to you? >> well, i'm not going to say. >> that's impressive. "you will regret doing this," from someone in the white house? >> well, i think that's pretty outrageous if that came from someone in the white house. but erin, let's stop playing the blame game. stephen moore wants to blame the president and a lot of democrats want to blame republicans, but the whole idea is this whole sequester came out of the summer of 2011, when the republicans were just about to demand that the -- in exchange for raising the debt limit, that the united states would not otherwise be able to pay its bills. the republicans were threatening
a default. and the president said, look, instead of a the default, that would be a disaster. our rating is already under assault, our credit rating, let's have some terrible kind of fallback that nobody's going to want, to force us into a deal. so, let's stop playing the blame game. the issue here it seems to me that we are right up against a terrible, terrible wall, and everybody, everybody agrees it's bad. why don't you just have an agreement with regard to when the timetable is going to be and wait until unemployment gets down to 6% before you pull the austerity plug. >> bob, that could be ten years from now. here's the thing. i actually think, erin, and maybe i'm in the minority opinion, that an across-the-board cut in government spending is not such a bad way to cut a government that is borrowing $1 trillion a year, where we all know that we can't keep doing this year after year. so to tell every agency, look, you have to save on your paper clips and maybe you have to take a little less travel and maybe
if you go to fewer conferences and some people may have to be laid off. my goodness, erin, that happened in the private sector, when businesses got more efficient. i'm not so sure this is a bad way to do it. but, bob, to your point about what happened in 2011, the president refuses to cut any -- or reform any of those entitlement programs, which as you know, is where the money is, and until you get a deal out of the president on entitlements, where else can you cut? >> steve, austerity economics doesn't work. it doesn't work. it's dangerous. >> i'm going to hit pause right there. thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. >> thank you, erin. >> it sort of reminds me of what a lawyer once said to me, you can shake hands on something, but contracts are made to be broken. i hated it when he said it, and hate when people say it. new r-rated developments in the jodi arias trial. she admits lying to everyone, even the man she killed. when you have diabetes...
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most murder defendants don't even take the stand, let alone sit for 12 days of questioning. and prosecutors aren't even done yet. arias has changed her story several times, first claiming she wasn't even there, then making up a story about intruders, and now saying it was self-defense. prosecutors grilled arias today about her sex life and her lies, and we want to warn you that the content in this can be graphic at times and inappropriate for younger viewers. for 12 days, accused murderer, jodi arias, has been on the stand, fighting to save her life. >> you keep mentioning truth. i'm not having a problem telling the truth. >> but you are having problems answering my questions, right? >> um, i don't have a problem answering your question if i remember the answer. >> reporter: charged with first-degree murder, she could get the death penalty if found guilty of killing her ex-boyfriend, back in 2008. she was 30 years old. his name was travis alexander. arias claims alexander was abusive and that she killed him in self-defense, but prosecutors say the evidence doesn't add up and continued to show the jury today that arias was enthralled
in a steamy, sexual relationship with her mormon boyfriend. >> you said, oh, yes, i want to [ bleep ] you like a dirty, horny little schoolgirl, right? >> yes. >> so the schoolgirl issue here in this conversation is being brought up by you, not by him, right? >> that's right. >> it was a consensual, mutual relationship, sexually speaking, wasn't it? >> yes, always. >> but the consensual relationship didn't last, and according to prosecutors, arias shot and stabbed alexander 27 times in a fit of jealous rage. during cross-examination, prosecutors introduced this "48 hours" interview that was done with arias a few months after the murder, where she contradicts her story of abuse. >> he really was an amazing person to know. he was generous, one of the most generous people that i've ever encountered. >> reporter: prosecutors say before being charged with murder, arias had nothing but good things to say about travis alexander, especially when it came to sex, and demonstrated
their point by playing this audiotape that arias made. >> you were amazing. you made -- seriously, you made me feel like a goddess. like, i wasn't saying like you were worshiping me, but you were -- you made me feel like i was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet. >> reporter: showing little emotion on the stand, arias admits she enjoyed being with travis alexander and despite her inconsistencies, she insists she didn't commit first-degree murder. >> did you lie to the detective, yes or no? >> yes. >> and did you lie to him on two occasions? >> more than two, yes. >> and did you also lie to "48 hours"? >> yes. >> did you lie to people in utah? >> yes. >> did you lie to daniel freeman? >> yes, everyone. >> so you lied to a lot of people, but you're saying that just because you're sitting here in this courtroom, there has been, for lack of a better term, a conversion and you're now telling the truth, right? >> for lack of a better term, yes. >> maureen maherr is with me
now, the person for "48 hours" who did that interview. and maureen, you heard, obviously, what happened today. i know you've been covering this story. the prosecution has used clips from your broadcast, at least four times, so far, to contradict jodi arias. how would you describe her? >> jodi's an extremely articulate young woman. and not only did i conduct an interview with her, but one of our producers, jonathan leech, also sat down with her a month before. so she's arrested in late spring, she sits down with her in august, i sit down with her in september. and even the difference, erin, from august to september, the amount of detail that she ends up going into about her second story of what happened, the intruder story, it changes, even from the time when one of our producers spoke with her to when i spoke with her. so she does seem to have an evolving sense of the truth and what the story is of what happened that light. >> and as you said, she's told several different stories. i want to a play a clip from "48 hours," the second version of what happened. here it is.
>> there is a lot of evidence that places me at travis' house the day that he was -- or not just the day he was killed, but the day, you know, most of that week, um, and there is a reason for that, and that reason is that, um, that i did see travis the day that he passed away and, um, a lot of things happened that day. um, i almost lost my life as well, and i was told that i can't speak about it or tell anyone about it. >> and obviously, you got her to talk about it and to tell all these different versions of what happened. as you watch her on the stand now, and you remember looking into her eyes, were they empty? was she just a pathological liar? what do you think? >> i don't think they were empty when we spoke with her. she was clearly sort of making up the story as she went along. you know, certainly, i can't
read minds, erin, but it was obvious to all of us who were in the room with her that she was not telling the truth. there were times when she talks about him in a glowing way. she was deeply in love with him. and loved the time that she spent with him and then would step back and say yes, he was abusive and i never told anybody. she is skilled at story telling and believes what she is telling at the moment. and very articulate. >> thank you very much. you can catch more this saturday
night at 10:00 eastern. i want to bring in wendy murphy. this is just amazing. this prosecution has been after jodi arias. and they with all of these different stories does she have a chance here? well the question is did she stand up to cross- examination? and the answer is, she stood up to cross-examination very well. >> be brief, and do well. and day after day she keeps going. and so far, she may well have a chance. i know wendy is going to get me on this. but she has done well.
>> we see the pictures of her and she is a femme fatale and then she looks different on the stand. is she sympathetic? >> you know she is cute and she gets away with the i'm not the killer that much. now it is like, she has no conscience. >> even this honorable human being. she doesn't even twitch. that to me suggests that she is so cold she has no conscience. it is consistent with the type who kills. i think what we are watching here is defense by dog and pony show. there is no legitimate defense. it has been the supreme court of pornography which is a very big distraction especially for the guys. at the end of the day, it will
be a problem for the guys. the guys may say i can't give her the death penalty, she reminds me of my favorite porn star. >> what is the biggest problem? >> being up there for four days and thinking about doing it tomorrow and maybe the next day too. >> the rules are, don't let the witness explain. don't argue with the witness. don't summarize testimony until your closing argument. every single rule the ten commandments he has violated. i sat and listened to it again today like i do day after day after day. i can't listen to this anymore. >> you know what, anne, you are right. the quorum is weird. that is not my style.
but it went out the room a long time ago in this case. the first time someone mentioned oral sex. it is disrespectful when they mentioned it which we know it has nothing to do with why travis is dead. >> still to come, top chef's tom coliccio out front. [ female announcer ] from tracking the bus. ♪ to tracking field conditions. ♪ wireless is limitless. i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is!