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good evening. the law man who took on a lawmaker. hear from a police chief who says there's a simple way to reduce gun violence and wonder why our representatives are making it so complicated. he joins us tonight. we begin though with crime and punishment, the most dramatic moments in a trial that was already off the charts when it comes to drama and deception and dirty little secrets. jodi arias broke down today. she's been on the stand for a whopping 13 days now. 13 days. the whole time until today, calmly and cooley talking about the most intimate details of her relationship with a man named
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travis alexander, a man she now admits to killing in 2008. today it focused on the day she actually killed travis alexander, slit his throat from ear to ear. and pretty much telling anyone who would listen that masked intruders were to blame and they also tried to kill her. all of those were lies. the trial is reaching a crucial point. finally now, after 13 days, the prosecut prosecutor grilled arias today about the killing itself. that's when her unflappable demeanor finally cracked. we warn you, the story contains graphic photos and testimony. >> tears from jodi arias. she broke down on the stand as
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the first photo of travis alexander's body was displaced in court. it showed him twisted and crumpled on the shower floor. >> man, were you crying when you were shooting him? >> i don't remember. >> were you crying when you were stabbing him? >> i don't remember. >> how about when you cut his throat? were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> with her face in her hands, the prosecutor dared her to look. take a look, then. you're the one that did this, right? >> yes. >> and you're the same individual that lied about all this, right? >> yes. >> so then take a look at it. >> from the stand, arias did her best to convince the jury she acted in self defense. she says alexander attacked her after she dropped his camera. >> he body slammed me. >> he body slammed you down, right?
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>> yes. >> in a very forceful way. where did he body slam you down? >> right in the same area, on the tile. >> even if it was self defense, how did it lead to this? nearly 30 stab wounds, his throat cut, and a single gunshot to the head. and prosecutors specifically retrace the steps leading up to that point, starting with the moment she says she shot him. >> he just was running at me as i turned around. >> arias alleged alexander had charged her like a linebacker. >> show me the linebacker pose. >> he got down. >> show me the linebacker pose. that's what i'm asking for you to do. >> okay, he went like that and turned his head. >> that's when she said the gun went off. >> i think i screamed stop when i pointed the gun at him. >> then what do you do? >> i don't really remember. i just remember -- i don't remember anything at that point, so i would be speculating. >> later, the prosecutor displayed several gruesome
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photos from the crime scene. >> according to your versions of events, you would acknowledge that stabbing was after the shooting, according to you, right? >> i don't -- yes, i don't remember. >> i'm not asking you if you remember, ma'am. i'm asking if you acknowledge that it would be you that did it, correct? >> yes. >> reporter: no matter what she said on the stand, the state isn't buying her story, and here's why. investigators believe she killed alexander in the shower. inside court, prosecutors show a clip of her interview with a detective in an attempt to prove she lured alexander to the shower just hours after they had sex. >> i asked him if i could do pictures of him in the shower, and he was like, no. i was like, i just had an idea, a couple ideas, and i saw something in a calvin klein ad once that looks very good.
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you're right. he wasn't very comfortable at first. she's standing there and he's all, i feel gay. >> she snapped naked photos of alexander, including this one shown in court. investigators say it's time stamped 5:30 p.m. just two minutes before arias stabbed him in the heart. >> you were the person who was directing him on where to be and how to sit, right? >> yes. >> directing him, perhaps, to his own death. >> do you remember that we're talking about travis alexander? let's start with that. >> yes, i remember that. >> that's why we're here, because you killed him, right? >> yes. >> randi kaye joins me now live from phoenix. you were in the courtroom today. what struck you? how was it received in the courtroom? >> i think a lot of people were surprised to see her break down, anderson. it was really remarkable to watch after she's been so stoic and so calm all these weeks, to see her break down in tears over and over again, then to watch her transformation, all of a sudden, she would become so --
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she would just stare at the jury with this blank face. almost like she was in a trance or something. but then something else that they dl in court today, the prosecutor very effective, he kept a picture of travis alexander's body up on one of the giant screens in the courtroom. so jodi arias had to stare at it. so she wouldn't answer to him. she would stare at the jury instead for her answers because she couldn't bear to look at the monitor, but it gave the jury some time to absorb that. the final surprise came near the end of the day, when the prosecutor got jodi arias to admit she was the one who put the digital camera with all of the naked photos of them in the washing machine. so the prosecutor said that shows she knew she had done something wrong. she was trying to get rid of evidence, and this had nothing to do with self-defense. >> i want to bring in jeffrey toobin and mark geragos. co-author of "mistrial, how the criminal justice system works
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and sometimes doesn't." i find it so incredible and want to put up the pictures again that were taken just minutes before travis alexander was killed by his then-girlfriend. she's taking these pictures of him just two minutes before she kills him. it's so eerie to me and bizarre to me. it's just one of many bizarre things. >> today is the day that mark geragos apologizes for criticizing the prosecutor so much. >> so rudely -- >> this was an amazing day of cross-examination. >> where did this guy come from? that's why she broke down. she said, where in the hell did this prosecutor come from? >> badgering, all that is gone. >> he finally just got his, i don't know, his legs about him. he was so much better. and she didn't know how to deal with him. >> there was a moment that i actually thought was what prompted her to break down, and there's so much to talk about. she didn't talk about this part. three days after she kills him,
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she writes an e-mail to him saying i'm going to come see you. just like chatty, long e-mail. i mean, it's so perverse. it's so crazy. she's killed him. yet she's writing these e-mails basically just to cover her tracks, as if she didn't know he was dead. >> we have that sound. i want to play that from the court today that jeff is talking about. >> i haven't heard back from you. >> hey you, i haven't heard back from you. i hope you're not still upset that i didn't come to see you. i just didn't have enough time off. it's okay, sweetie, you're going to be here in less than two weeks. we're going to see the sights. >> she broke down then. >> well, yeah, because what are you going to do?
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at that point, that's exactly what he should have been doing day one. i will give him, as i said or jeff said, i'll give him his props. he was infinitely better. this is what he should have done, but get out. she's done. she's toast. if they're going to get anywhere with her, this is it. >> and just notice how that e-mail was written. >> right. >> basically to try to establish that she was not present in arizona. >> the first line is right there, hey, i haven't heard back from you. i hope you're still not upset that i didn't come to see you. i want there, wasn't there, i wasn't there. >> so sinister. will she get the death penalty? i don't know. you never know what goes through a juror's mind. that's such an instinctual reaction. >> you want a prediction? >> predictions aren't so good. >> i'll make a bold prediction. i'm going to say no. i think as much as they have -- you know, what did i call it, the tsunami of evidence they have got against her, they have
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overtried the hell out of this. enough is enough. >> do you buy the tears? do you buy that -- >> no. at this point, i think today was the most effective that the prosecution has been with her because it looks like every time she's caught in a gotcha moment, then she reduces herself to tears. the problem is that she's spent 10, 12 hours on the stands before now, and she's kind of established a little bit of a bond. i know everybody will say, no, she's diabolical, she's this, that. that's probably all true, but the jury has to make a decision. do we really want to drop the pillow on her, do we really want to kill her? i don't think you're going to find 12 people who will. >> sometimes tears can look like remorse or sadness for the death. this, to me, anyway, looked like she was so caught. she was just so caught with her own -- >> today as opposed to before. >> before, she was upset because the prosecutor was yelling at her. this is just, my story has fallen apart so completely.
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>> busted. >> exactly. those tears i don't think will generate much sympathy. >> redirect by the defense starts monday. >> boy, i don't know how you start with this. >> if i'm the defense on this, again, get in, get out. this is like one hour. talk about a couple things, hit the high points, and get out. enough. the whole idea of what they're trying to do here is just get somebody to say i'm equivocal. i have a little bit of doubt as far as putting her to death, and be done with it. >> the defense is in. they have all the material, the defense does, to argue whatever it is they're going to argue. more time on the stand with her, which, of course, will then allow more cross-examination, i don't see what benefit that would have. >> it's a riveting day, incredible stuff. jeff toobin, mark geragos, thank you very much. tune in tomorrow night for an "ac 360" special, "sex, lies, and audiotape, the jodi arias trial." what did you think of today's testimony?
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did you buy any of the tears or do you think it was basically she was cornered and that was her only way out? >> next up, i'm going to talk toll the police chief who took on a senator yesterday over guns. >> we make gun cases. we make 2,000 gun cases a year, senator. that's our priority. we're not in a paper chase. >> just a day after that testimony, gun violence erupts in his city, milwaukee police chief edward flynn joins us. and what does the papal retirement look like? the fascinating details of pope benedict's departure and is he going to be a force behind the scenes in the vatican, next. ♪ i don't want any trouble. i don't want any trouble either. ♪ [ engine turns over ] you know you forgot to take your mask off, right? [ siren wailing in distance ] ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the all-new beetle convertible. now every day is a top-down day.
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before making a purchase at a gun shop, why doesn't the same apply at a gun show or private sales where millions of fire arms are sold. critics say there's no point to more background schek checks if people who fail aren't being prosecuted right now anyway. supporters say that's missing the entire point, which is not to prosecutor would-be buyers with bad backgrounds. it's to stop them plain and simple from buying guns. lindsay graham and milwaukee police chief edward flynn. >> why aren't we prosecuting people who fail a background check and there are 15 questions there. they're not hard to understand if you're filling out the form. i'm a bit frustrated that we say one thing, how important it is, but in the real world, we absolutely do nothing to enforce the laws on the books. now, let's talk -- >> you know, just for the record, from my point of view, senator, the purpose -- >> how many cases have you? >> it doesn't matter. i want to stop -- i want to
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finish the answer. >> no -- >> i want to stop 76,000 people from buying guns illegally. that's what a background check does. if you think we're going to do paperwork prosecutions, you're wrong. >> just today in chief flynn's city, the day after the testimony, a man opened fire with an assault rifle on a crowd of ten people, wounding two of them. the suspect has a long criminal history. chief edward flynn joins us now. i appreciate you being with us. what do we know about the type of weapon used in that shooting today? >> it was an ar-15 knockoff made in china. a 30-round clip, semiautomatic rifle, able to get a lot of rounds off, which the individual did. >> if congress approved the current legislation to ban so-called assault weapons, is this the type of weapon that would be banned? >> yes, it would. >> we saw the heated exchange you got in with senator graham. opponents of stricter gun laws don't understand why you and other law personnel and prosecutors aren't going after the people who are stopped by the background check system.
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on its face, people wonder why you wouldn't go after a criminal who lies, turns out to be a felon, and tried to get a gun? >> well, i can understand some people being misled lie that, but when somebody of the senator's stature, it's a total red herring, not filling out the form truthfully is an offense, yes, you're right, it is, and certainly, we would welcome additional funding from the united states congress to pay for 80,000 extra prosecutions a year, but that's not the point. the point is, as you just pointed out, that we are using background checks to prevent the wrong people from getting firearms. the background check system works because it prevents people can from getting firearms legally that shouldn't. that's the purpose of it. yes, it's a technical violation. but no one who works in the criminal justice system at any level thinks for a moment that any judge is going to entertain a large number of prosecutions for that violation crowding a docket full of drug
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prosecutions, you know, firearms prosecutions, homicide prosecutions and so on. so it's total sophistry. it's a pretend important statistic that is irrelevant to the functioning of government. >> also, this is the thing i don't understand. i interviewed the nra and asked them, it doesn't seem to be an either/or thing. it's not as if you cannot extend private background checks through private sales or gun shows and not also increase the prosecution of people who lie on background checks. it would seem you could do both of those things. >> it might seem so. but i mean, is it a practical matter? i think you know this, anderson. we live in a government of finite resources. as a matter of fact, there are some in government who would like them even more finite, perhaps no resources at all, but the criminal justice system works at maximum capacity now.
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the feds are prosecuting organized crime cases and a wide variety of criminal offenses, we're filling up the dockets with aggravated assaults, car thefts, domestic violence, and so on. yes, in a perfect world, people would get prosecuted for lying on their background, but don't get misled. the most important function that background form fulfills is it enables us to do investigations to disqualify people from buying firearms. that's their purpose. they serve that purpose admirably, and it's a complete phony issue to raise the specter of insufficient prosecutions for not filling it out proper. >> one of the things the nra says, and the logic i don't quite understand, is that further background checks at gun shows or private sales would prevent legitimate citizens, be
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an inconvenience for them and it's not going to prevent criminals. an inconvenient for them and not prevent criminals. how do you know it's not preventing criminals if you're not doing background checks buying at gun shows? how do you know unless you actually check? >> any working cop can tell you a lot of upstanding citizens are a first-time offenders with a firearm, so that's no guarantee, either. the more important issue is this, we want to make it hard. we don't live in a perfect world. we cannot make ourselves invincible from threat. i want to give you an example. i had a privilege of being a member of the arlington county police department responding to the pentagon. what did we determine on 9/11? that we as a society were never going to allow airlines to be weapons of mass murder. we have made a societal wide commitment, and we have inconvenienced the lives of millions of travelers in their laudable, social compact that we're going to protect ourselves from airliners being weapons of mass murder.
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now why on earth can we not generate that same will when it comes to military assault weapons and high-capacity magazines? it's our homicide statistics and then the horrific tragedies that shock the conscience and should shock the conscience of any responsible public official. you know, yesterday at that hearing, i was appalled at the number of senators who are so worried about gun owners' rights they couldn't stick around for the testimony of the people from newtown. i was appalled. how do you call yourself a public servant and cast aside their testimony. that matters, saving lives matters, and they seemed disinterested in that construct. >> they actually left the room. they weren't even there. >> they found urgent business elsewhere. >> that's pretty stunning stuff. often, you don't see the cameras -- you see the cameras trained on the people given the testimony. you don't see them on the people listening. i didn't know a lot of them
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walked out before the people from newtown came in. we loved having you back. thank you. >> thank you. >> it was a day of farewells for the pope. just ahead, how he spent his final hours before climbing into the helicopter that carried him away from the vatican. took him to the papal summer home where swiss guards closed the doors hours ago. ben wedeman is going to take us inside where benedict is going to spend the next few weeks. (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. [ construction sounds ] ♪
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one-time nba star dennis rodman is in north korea of all places on a basketball diplomacy mission. he's sitting next to kim jung un, apparently his new best friend. we'll explain ahead.
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tonight, the catholic church is without a leader. benedict xvi papacy ended at 2:15 today. in his final hours as pope, he said his farewells, starting with his cardinals who would elect his successor. benedict is the first pontiff in almost six centuries to retire as leader of the world's catholics. he spoke with the cardinals and then he boarded a helicopter as
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he flew off to his summer home castle gandolfo. the bells of st. peter's basilica tolled as he lifted off, and they watched on television screens and cheers. then he was greeted by another cheering crowd. 10,000 people came to bid him farewell. he said good-bye from a balcony, told them he was no longer pope, just a pilgrim starting the last part of his pilgrimage. it's the last time he's likely to be seen in public. ben wedeman has more now. >> reporter: the massive doors of castel gandolfo have opened for popes since 1626. pope benedict once wrote, only here could he escape the pressures of the job. that was pope benedict xiv, back
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in the 1700s. benedict xvi, as pope emeritus, will spend several months in this traditional summer residence of popes before returning to the vatican to live in the convent being specially prepared for his retirement. going back to roman times, this hills south of the city have been popular with the rich and powerful. it's a great place to go to escape the heat and humidity of the roman summer. it's comprised of 55 hectors, almost 136 acres of manicured gardens, olive groves, orchards, and pastures in the hills of home of frescotti wine. history runs deep here. this tunnel dates back to roman times. for more recent days, you can see the damage from allied bombing during world war ii.
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the staff here account that thousands of local residents took refuge here during the war, and the papal bedroom was converted into a delivery room where as many as 50 babies were born. the director of pontifical villas says he doesn't expect the 85-year-old former pontiff to spend much time outside. >> translator: the holy father takes short strolls, he says. he isn't one to go on long walks like john paul ii. he is by nature a reserved man, a man of study. he doesn't like to stay out in the open. >> he's more likely to pass his days in his private apartment, not shown to visiting journalists, or in the reception area. a relatively spartan set of rooms with little decoration.
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but for a fairly vivid painting depicting the martyrdom of vietnamese christians in the 17th century. the view, not surprisingly, is stunning. a residence albeit temporary, fit for a pope. >> interesting look at where the pope will be. let's get you caught up on some of the other stories we're following. isha is here. >> the obama administration fired a legal brief expressing its legal support of same-sex marriage in california. the so-called proposition 8 case are one of two landmark same-sex marriage cases they'll hear next month. >> bradley manning pleaded guilty to 10 of 22 charges, but not the most serious one, aiding the enemy. >> a former coal company executive pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges in connection with the upper branch mining disaster that kills 29 people. he admitted covering up safety violations and in a dramatic
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turn, he also implicated his old boss, though he didn't name him. a lawyer for the ceo don blankenship denied his client did anything wrong. >> and dennis rodman told north korea's supreme leader kim jong-un he has a friend for life. they sat next to each other at a basketball exhibition in north korea. rodman is there to film a documentary. a journalist that is there with them offered an invitation to kim jung un and said he should come out to the u.s. and visit. the invitation was met with laughter. >> i wonder if dennis rodman has any idea what he has done to his people and continues to do with the gulags and concentration camps. >> he said he wanted to meet psy. the south korean rapper. >> maybe he should read a book before he goes there. >> maybe. hello budget cuts.
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dana bash is reporting about the $85 billion across the board spending cuts that will begin at the end of the day tomorrow. why? members of congress, the only ones with the power to stop the cuts, are not done. plus this. >> give it to him, hard. >> everything that happened to me on that bus happened every day, if not worse. >> that's a boy named alex, a boy documented in "bully." tonight you'll see how his life has changed. a preview of our documentary at 10:00 tonight, "the bully effect" ahead. but she's still going to give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
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welcome back.
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keeping them honest tonight. the people who ought to be in our nation capital working but are not. the people who more than a year and half ago creating a ticking time bomb that goes off tomorrow. forced spending cuts sucking billions of dollars out of the economy. with those stakes you would think tonight lawmakers would either be hammering out a deal to avoid the crisis they and the white house created, or at least they would be sticking around to pass emergency legislation or something. instead, they failed to pass a pair of deficit reduction bills and left town. the failed senate republican plan offered president obama more flexibility to implement the forced cuts which the white house rejected. also not wanting to swallow what they see as a republican poison pill. the only thing everyone is doing is basically waiting for -- well, pointing fingers and hailing cabs for the airport. dana bash is keeping them honest. >> lawmakers racing down the capitol steps, bolting out of town for a long weekend. this was before noon, a full day before the hammer comes down on
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forced budget cuts they voted for. is there a concern you all are going to leave town while these cuts kick in and you won't be here? >> well, the speaker and the leadership will be here and i'm a quick flight away. i go home every weekend to see my family. >> you're on your way out. are you on your way home? >> yes, ma'am. >> you're not going to be here when the cuts kick in? >> if they call me back, i'll be back. >> what do you think about the fact you won't be here? >> we have to go to the airport. >> you have to go to the airport? okay. bye. >> some republicans whose party runs the house, were unapologetic about leaving washington until monday. >> i think it's actually better when we're home working because the work we do there, in my opinion, is more important than the work we do here, especially if we're going to keep spending money. >> this was his idea, the
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president's idea. >> as you well know, most republicans voted for it. >> i voted for it, too, because i think we have to get our spending in like. these are the things at 2%, most families, most businesses back home have had to do the same thing. >> other lawmakers in both parties sounded as fed up as their constituents. >> leaving, we would stay here and if we were staying here and not passing a bill, it's not any better. >> it's an absolute disgrace that we're going home. we should stay here until the sequester ended. this is a stupid way to do it. >> i assume you're going to new york? >> i think the sequester is crazy. i think the president had to show them leadership. congress should do more, but to sit here by myself serves no purpose. >> you talked to members of the house, run by republicans, but the senate is run by democrats and they're gone as well, right? >> that's right. they left only a few hours after the house. at the beginning of the segment, you mentioned they did have a couple votes on this, trying to alleviate some of the pain coming from the spending cuts. it was a democratic plan and a
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republican plan. they were really political show boats. neither were expected to get the 60 votes to pass, and neither did. >> does anyone expect progress out of the white house tomorrow? >> no, that's the short answer, and perhaps the depressing answer. i can share with you an e-mail exchange i had with a senior aid today, and the response i got was ha, ha, ha, and it went all the way across the e-mail, two or three lines. that was the response i got. not a lot of optimism at all. >> i appreciate you trying to at least get lawmakers running out of town to tell us why they're running away from the mess they made. in the invocation, the senate chaplain offered, rise up oh, god and save us from ourselves. with us tonight, charles blow and margaret hoover. he's an op-ed columnist and also joining us, senior political analyst david gergen. david, we talked about this
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yesterday. do you see any sense of urgency in washington tomorrow? >> anything but. the fact they're meeting tomorrow, both sides are into theatrics now. whether they'll come together after this, yes i was hearing they'll probably get it resolved in two or three months. >> to say there's no urgency, i agree there should be a lot more urgency in washington, but you have to give the republicans a little bit of credit. just a little bit. they did pass this measure that allowed for the cuts to come with a scalpel, not with a cleaver. it seems like the democrats entirely pass this off. the president didn't take it seriously at all. and to suggest that republicans needed to come to the table with a balanced approach undermines the fact that the fiscal cliff deal promised -- promised that was built into the 11th hour deal that mitch mcconnell negotiated with joe biden. they said we're going to deal with revenues now. you can understand why republicans could feel like they had just given on revenues. >> but they say it's time to pass a bill. that's their message. >> the house has passed two proposed bills --
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>> last session, not this session. >> well, they could easily pass it again. there's nothing that has come out of the senate. nothing out of the senate. if the senate passed anything, they could go to conference and they could sign it. this is like the cold war between the president and john boehner. they're not talking. they say they like each other, but it's clearly just for kicks. they literally can't negotiate. boehner said we're going to do regular order and send it to the white house and let the white house sign it. >> the whole country knows this is childish games. this is sand box. you can apportion the blame here, the blame there. it comes out however you see it, but at the end of the day, they're responsible for running a country and a government that gets its budgets passed. they haven't had a budget in four years. that's a main responsibility, to pass a budget. in four years, we haven't had a budget come out of the senate and house together that the president has been able to sign. this is just a continuation of
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the lack of responsibility that serious people and serious positions of power, that's what is so -- you know, i don't think the day is far off, frankly, when the italians can take a clown and have a new party started and he comes in number one for the lower house of parliament, you wonder, maybe we should bring in some clowns, and al franken turns out to be a pretty good senator. >> there is a serious point, which is even if they can figure out a way to -- we're going to start doing something now, so people will start to get notices for furloughs and what have you, something will happen, but both the cbo and independent economists have said that this will have a real impact on a very fragile and weak economy. and that is a very real thing. whether or not all this other tinkering around, whether or not hundreds of people, you know,
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were released who were, you know, illegally detained or whatever, those are actually smaller in comparison to the economy going back in the wrong direction for all of us. >> it's interesting how wall street is kind of brushing this off. you look at the stock market yesterday. >> i had a chance to talk to a number of ceos now. they're basically all in the camp that they have crisis fatigue. they don't want to talk about this. they're having to run their businesses as if washington will be broke and they'll do the best they can. they assume some day it will be fixed, who knows when. but the big issue for them is an issue charles is going to. how much of a drag is washington going to be on economic growth this year? there's a split, and a ceo commented about this. some think the economy will do well, and others think, i think the majority, it's hard to count, wait a minute, the combination of the sequester
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spending cuts that charles is arguing, and rightly so, is a drag, and the bigger combination of the tax increases we had earlier this year, that we may knock a point, a point and a half off the economic growth this year, and the economy is going to roll along at a very apeople anemic, slow pace, and people are not going to get jobs. >> you could add a point to a point and a half to the unemployment rate which psychologically would be very damaging for americans. we have to pull back and say, in particular, the white house, they are really the ones who should be feeling some friction here because if you have a slow-down, they're not -- we ricochet our attention spans ricochet.
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this will happen over the course of a month, two months, six months. by that time, there will be other crises in the world, other crises in america, other things happening in washington. and what people will remember is that it happened of this president's watch. >> we also have 40 days into this administration's second term, the first 100 days, you know, is critical. is this white house going to be able to get other stuff done if they're spending a lot of capitol on the budget matters, immigration reform, gun control. >> i think that's why they're fighting so hard. they have to fight as hard as they are to make sure that whatever comes of this, which they think will be catastrophic, that they don't get the blame for it, because if they do get the blame for it -- >> if they poison the well on the other issues, that's the question. >> thanks. up next, a father who turned his grief over his son's suicide into a mission to help other families and kids. >> my wife and i, we plan on fighting bullying forever. because our boy, he's going to be 11 years old forever. way we're going to let them die. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help keep your dreams alive like they helped millions of others.
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we've been waiting for this night for almost a year. that's how long we have been working on a documentary that is airing later tonight. it airs later tonight at 10:00 eastern and follows the stories
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of a number of people who appeared in lee hirsh's documentary "bully." these are kids and parents who have taken their pain, their suffering, their grief, and turned into action. they're truly inspiring. here's a preview. >> everything that happened to me on that bus happened every day, if not worse. >> the bullying got so bad at school that we feared for her safety. >> he sped up and ran over me. when i rolled over onto the ground, he sped away. >> my wife and i, we plan on fighting bullying forever, because our boy, he's going to be 11 years old forever. >> if the bystanders of the schools would get involved, i guarantee you, we can overpower any bully. >> i really found, i want to say, my purpose. >> let's get this rolling. i'm telling you. i believe in you.
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you believe in you. tell me, i am somebody. raise this roof. >> i am somebody! >> that is what i'm talking about. >> we partnered with the cartoon network on this project. earlier, i talked with its president, also lee hirsh, kelly ripa, who has become a passionate anti-bullying advocate. lee, i want to start with you. what you were able to capture with alex in your film and where we see alex now, the transformation has been extraordinary, i think. >> yeah, i think it's definitely the thing that gives me the most almost like pride after all of this, is to see how confident he's become, and how -- you know, it probably won't be like this for every kid, but to take a boy who was being bullied so badly and see him get the kind of love and support that he had, and to turn that into now being outspoken, and the messages we
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see him get from literally thousands of kids that thank him and that he gives them inspiration, it's amazing. >> it's also interesting, what he said about, you know, bystanders kind of taking a role. i think that's such an important thing because it's sort of part of the equation that often we don't think much about. >> 85% of the occurrences of bullying has a bystander watching it happen, and if we can empower them to have a form of speaking up and getting involved, we know that the instances of bullying goes down. they get cut by 50%. and even the single incidents of the bullying event will last under ten seconds. >> i also think so many parents have kind of -- for the last couple years have felt like, you know, this has always happened. kids will be kids. and i don't think some parents have understood the full ramifications of how it's different now with the internet --
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>> it follows them home. social media is so cruel. we were just talking about this. as grownups, social media is be cruel, unbelievably so, and sometimes children have access to social media, maybe their parents aren't even aware they have. and kids are very technologically savvy, and children can be unbelievably cruel to one another in a way that is -- there's no forethought about what's going on behind the scenes in a child's life. and so kids are reading these negative comments about themselves. sometimes all day long. and it follows them into their bedroom, into where they're supposed to be safe. >> i want to play you a clip from the bully effect, because you talk about the personal tim pablth this impact this had on you as a child. >> the particular thing that was really terrifying for me was getting home from school. i didn't take a bus.
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i had to walk. i was always trying to, like, find a route where i wouldn't get beat up. and the thing that i really carried into making this film was just how difficult it was to really explain what was happening. crazy. this is the middle school i went to. this was a place where i had a pretty hard time. it was very difficult to talk to my father about it. my dad fought in world war ii and he was this really tough guy whose response was, you know, just man up. don't be a pussy, basically, and that was very, very difficult because you stop going for help. you give up. >> when i saw that, i really related to that. i think a lot of adults can relate to how returning to a school, you become that kid again. the things that happened to you as a child, they don't go away. they may kind of be hiding somewhere else in you, but it still has an impact, and you were saying making this film was healing in a lot of ways. >> seeing that clip immediately takes you back.
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what was so amazing about going back to south side middle school in long island where i went to school, is that school was completely transformed. when we went inside there, you could see they had amazing programs in place, a commitment around bullying, and one of the things they did really well was, you know, using social and emotional learning. they're recognizing this new kind of -- you know, i think it's new to recognize kids who are standing up for each other. >> and cartoon network has been very out front in anti-bullying efforts. what have you been doing? >> for the last three years, we have been raising the awareness in our stop bullying speak up campaign, and this year, we're taking it to the next step. we're distributing 2,000 stop bullying speak up flags in schools to reach over 1.5 million students. these flags will be raised to raise awareness of the topic, and also will appear in the schools. so to really establish that the school does not tolerate
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bullying, and that kids are in a comfortable zone to speak up. we'll be doing that in 2000 schools and also 4,000 boys and girls clubs of america. >> kelly, lee, and stewart, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we hope you watch "the bully effect" tonight. it airs at 10:00 eastern right here on cnn. we'll be right back. [ man ] i've been out there most of my life. you name it...i've hooked it. but there's one... one that's always eluded me. thought i had it in the blizzard of '93. ha! never even came close.
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