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mechanics. people want to know how you stood there for 12 hours plus. almost 13 hours. >> it's not easy. my feet were hurting and you can't leave the floor and you can't sit down. you can't use the restroom or anything. >> you were told that? >> it's a rule that is kind of known. the staff knows the rules better so they gave me the advice on what to do and the staff works for the republican and the democrat side. they inform me what you can and cannot do. you ask the question, people can ask you and there is a protocol or you lose the floor. they go to see if you can make a mistake. it doesn't happen very often. it's hard to get recognized when it's not a designated time. most is controlled by the leadership. this happened to be a time. >> this was on both computers. did they know you would do this? >> no. in fact we didn't know we would do it that day. we got a lot of information.
it's an issue we are interested in and think it should be easy for the president to say americans not engaged in combat cannot be targeted for killing. >> i will get to the substance in a second. one of the things so fascinating is how organic it was and took on a life of its own. i'm not sure you realize that. it was on the internet. i was watching for the first two or three hours and suddenly you had more conservative com patriots and by midnight you had a lot of people there. there was a harsh tag stand with rand and more and more people were saying help him. are you surprised? >> it is fascinating and you are not allowed to use electronics on the floor. i didn't have time because i had to keep talking. if you stop for a minute or so, they can say you no longer have the floor. you are not supposed to look at your phone.
when senator krooiz started reading the tweets, i got the feeling that this was bigger. we believed in an issue and we wanted to talk about it and it's important that the president realized he is restrained by the constitution also. we got talking about something we were interested in and you never know whether people are watching, but you wanted the issue to be big. we want the president to respond and what we are hearing from the white house is they may respond to my question. if we do, we are willing to let them go forward. >> talk more about that. you said he heard from the white house. who and what did they say? >> i don't know the name of who, but somebody on the staff is talk talking to the white house and hope they will be handle. i never doubted that maybe the president and i are on the same page, but some things need to be explicit and one thing that needs to be explicit is this drone kill organization targeting program that you can't target americans who are not engaged in combat. we never questioned if you have
a grenade launcher and you are attacking the capital, you can be killed. what i'm against is that if they think from the political beliefs and i'm having dinner with somebody or e-mail a cousin of mine who lives in the mideast, that's not enough to be killed. that's enough to say let's make an accusation and you have a trial. i think the president believes in that. it needs to be explicit. they just talked about exceptions to the rule. we want to know what the rule is. you are going to kill americans in america who are not engaged in combat. >> they have argued that they have given you an answer and perhaps it's not the answer you have been looking for. when you say explicit, what's the answer you are looking for? >> the very specific question is does the president believe he has the authority to kill americans who are not engaged in combat in america with targeted drone strikes. i think the answer is no.
they haven't given us that answer. they have given us things like if planes are attacking the twin towers. we believe the military and republican and democrats at the military or anyone can repulse an attack by an individual or plane or anything whether it's an american or not. we are talking about the drone program overseas notice often targets people who are engaged in combat. they are sitting at home in their house. that's another debate for another day. that's the kind of standard we are using overcities and the president won't answer. he said we will use a standard different than outside. he is already thinking of a standard for killing americans in the u.s. >> one of the things about this issue is that it made for strange bed fellows. we had a democrat standing with you and you don't all have conservatives with you. the "wall street journal" which is known as a prominent conservative page took after you
saying that you had great points, but are wrong on the issues. the u.s. government cannot randomly target citizens. what it can do under the laws of war is target enemy combatant anywhere at any time including on u.s. soil. >> they are wrong on this issue. the problem is if i call you an enemy combatant, how do we know if you are or aren't. that's me calling and accusing you of a crime should there be enough power by any politician, republican or democrat to say you are an enemy combatant and maybe a missile will drop on your house. i believe that is unjust and unconstitutional that if you are an american, people can't accuse you and call you a name. they are assuming that the person calling your name is on a mission and knows you are guilty of that. the way i see it is we have a lot of arab americans that live in deer born, michigan.
the vast majority are good american people. say they have a cousin and e-mail them. say somebody thinks their cousin is a terrorist. for goodness sakes, would you drop bombs on people and say we are associated with terrorism and he's an enemy combatant. that's a lot different than someone with a grenade launcher or attacking someone. the people that they have been targeting overseas are not always using weapons. i don't want that standard. if you are attacking and it has to be an imminent threat. imminent doesn't have to mean immediate. if somebody is attacking a capital, that's imminent. if someone is carrying a bomb, that's it. if someone is assembling a bomb, that could be imminent. if you are sitting in a cafe e-mailing, that's not imminent threat. if you are not involved actively
in combat, you would rather rather ask questions about who they are? it's about the belief that justice, johnson or guilt should be determined by a jury of your peers. it's disappointing to think they are risking their lives to fight for something we are willing to get. >> you talked for a long time and you have a lot of things to say yesterday into last night. one of the things you said is we were talking about 9/11 and using the example of the high jackers and you said that you thought maybe they were citizens. did you mean u.s. citizens? >> there were 19 hijackers and a lot of them were here on student visas. it's hard to be authoritative, but i thought i read that some had voting cards. i may have misspoke, but i
thought i read that some of them had voting cards. i don't know how they would have voting cards. >> let me ask more of a personal question. we talked about the fact that you were eating on tv. eating in the centers. you said nature was calling. you gotta go, you gotta go. >> 12 hours is a long time. it does limit you. i asked how did strom thurman go 24-hours and there stories that he was bending the rules a little bit. >> how? >> by leaving the floor very briefly. >> did you go in? when you went in at 11:00, did you say i will be here until after midnight? >> as i drove up in the morning, i was with a staff member. if we have a chance, why don't we try to capture the floor to
make our point. we had no plan and i had the wrong shoes on. i thought about doing it sometime. the floor is controlled by the leadership and one of the reason it occurred is because they barred the floor from letting it happen. it was left unguarded. you were trying not to drink it. >> i could now tell you, rand paul got his wish. this is from the attorney general of the u.s. from eric holder to senator paul. i will read this and this is the letter and the response. let me play this sound from the
secretary and jay carney explaining the response. here it is. >> it was transmitted to senator paul within the last half hour or so. does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an american not engaged in combat on american soil? the answer is no. the answer to that question is no. that is a letter that is signed by the attorney general and submitted to senator paul in his office. >> there you have it. that's a no that is the answer to the question. you have republicans coming out like john mccain, blasting rand paul's behavior and quite frankly his argument. here he was. >> to somehow allege or infer that the president of the united states is going to kill somebody
like jane fonda or someone who disagrees with the policies is a stretch of imagination which is frankly ridiculous. ridiculo ridiculous. so i don't disagree that we need more debate and more discussion and frankly probably more legislation. to make sure that america does protect the rights of our citizens and make sure at the same time that if someone is an enemy combatant, that enemy has nowhere to hide. not in a cafe, not anywhere. >> that was senator mccain and lindsey graham attacking rand paul. this launched a fiery debate on drones in the u.s. we want to bring in our analyst, gloria borger, we talked
extensively. what was that last summer here on the president's secret drone program and kill list. i want to begin with you here. senator paul said president obama talking to dana on the same page with him and now we see the answer and have this response via this letter that the answer is no. i love to talk to senator paul and ask him if this is good enough, but i wonder what defines imminent threat. is this nubulous? >> in many ways eric holder's letter was not as target said as it could have been. i think that what you see in this answer is that the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. what it does not say and i think this is where rand paul probably
agrees with eric holder is that you can't rule out targeting an enemy combatant as rand paul said. somebody is going into the capitol with a grenade, of course. the "wall street journal" pointed out part of an organized group out to destroy american citizens or the united states. that wouldn't include jane fonda. i think that for now this puts this to rest and i would not expect rand paul to continue to oppose the brennan nomination on these grounds. he may vote for brennan. who knows. this argument, what it shows to me is somebody who covered all of this. there is a need for more transparency. people need to know how these decisions are made by the people who are making them.
>> you are making the precise point that tom made in this article and multiple times on the show. it's interesting that you bring up his son being killed in yemen. not a lot of americans knew about that. he has taken out and you and i read a lot about they is secrety and a lack of transparency. you talked internationally and we are talking on u.s. soil. you say it was heroic. why? >> the senate refused to really talk about it. even the questioning of john brennan, the initial questioning and hearing was really cloaked in such politics that i was wondering almost what do these people, what are they afraid to say and why aren't they afraid to say that he was killed in addition his father. why aren't they saying these vast numbers of people have been
killed by drones over the last four years. it took this 13-hour marathon to get people to start talking about it. to get senators to talk about it at least. >> gloria borger, do the john mccain and lindsay grahams, do they have a point? this is serious policy. they are talking and saying look, i don't know if this could be someone anti-american or against the president or shoots an e-mail to his cousin in the mideast and all of a sudden, red flags start flying and the government wants to take this person out without due process and saying that's not okay. do they have a valid point there? >> i think what the point was the way i was hearing it, don't belittle the real issue. everybody knows the laws and the president of the united states is not going to drop a drone on somebody sitting at a cafe who happens to have a cousin somewhere. holder gave rand paul the answer
to his specific question. if a person is not an enemy combata combatant, nobody is going to drop a drone on them at a cafe in houston. i think what they are saying is that there is a transparency question here. we need to know the legal arguments and who decides how they decide and we need to know when they make mistakes and how to correct them. maybe the people on the intelligence and the congress ought to be getting the answers to those questions. i think the administration was caught on this when it was raised during the brennan hearings which is why they had to open those legal letters up to members of the intelligence community in the congress. >> here's my other question to you. we have a couple of producers and we were thinking why much a do about drones. for years, we being the west and the administration to take out
somebody on u.s. soil using a plane and an f 16, why the issue? what's the difference? >> number one, we have a means of dealing with threat in this country. it's the police. it's a time-honored way of dealing with the guy who comes into congress with the grenade launcher. we wouldn't be talking about this if we didn't have suddenly this technological capability of taking out anybody that we wish. so it's a technology that has extended the arm of the law or extended the arm of sort of executive intention. the question that we all have to decide right now is whether we should use that arm of the law. how far do we want the president's arm to extend? >> and finally it's your point too beyond the technology and the advances in technology that purr conversations and the question of the overreach of the government. whatever the administration is. you made the point before.
forgive me. let me interrupt myself. with senator rand paul, dana, the floor is yours. >> we are on the air right now. >> live tv. always fun. >> we showed the senator and he saw this letter moments ago. his aide got it and gave it to him. it's literally three sentences long and he said that the answer tote question about request americans be killed on u.s. soil and the answer is no. are you happy? >> i'm quite satisfied. it took a root canal to get it and that's what i have been asking all along. it's what the senate should be about. advise and consent and find out policies. i have a feeling since this was so difficult i never would have gotten this with routine letters
to the white house. through the process i got an important answer. this means that if you live in america, your fifth amendment is not something that is optional if someone wants to arrest you. if you are not involved in combat, what he is saying is no president because the words bind everyone, not just this president, but the understanding of the presidency that they can't kill people without due process. >> just to be clear, you are announcing on cnn that you are going to let john brennan's nomination go through? >> we will hold it as soon as people want to. the whole thing is not to be spiteful to hold up things. people get the misimpression that you are doing things because you like the president. i voted for several of the presidents including chuck hagel. i asked for information that is this give-and-take of trying to get information that is important. i think letting the vote go is
inconsequential. i hadn't got an answer, i might. the thing is that you use the leverage of your position and the procedures up here. for a greater good. a lot of people explained obstructionism. this is an example of trying to do something you strongly believe in. a lot of americans sent us letters and e-mails and twitter. people were excited we were standing up for something important. >> as you came over here, i saw people coming up to get your autograph. no offense, but politicians don't get autographs asked for. >> that was the congressional record. it was pretty big. i can't imagine the whole thing was made. >> it might have been. if you were able to hear john mccain and lindsay graham going off in a position on this. the point they were making it maybe you have long held in this position when it comes to civil
liberties versus the more hawkish angle. the other late to the game last night, maybe they are doing it for more political reasons. maybe the senior senator from kentucky. >> i think they are mace taken to be dismissive to the fight. it was a fight for fifth amendment protections. nobody should be raved under arbitrary changes. this is a problem with their position. their position is that the whole world is a battlefield including america and the laws of war apply to america. in war you don't get due process. you are an american shooting at our soldiers, they can shoot you. in our country, you have due process. our country is not a battlefield with no laws. our soldiers are sent tow afghanistan to fight for the bill of rights and the constitution. when they are dismissive of these rules and protections, i
think they are missing what the public is in. >> what are you going to do when it comes to john brennan. you will alloy this vote to go through. will you vote for him? >> that's a debate and nobody quite understands if i do that. i fought so long and fought for 13 hours and i haven't made up my mind. we are still thinking about it and talking about the staff. the thing is, i was fighting hard for this information. i was fighting hard for a constitutional protection and get admission from the white house that they will obey the constitution. i won my battle. there is some debate over whether brennan should be heading the cia that i do have fault with this program. then the question is it's a presidential appointee. >> you said that presidents should get the effort. >> what are rises to a level where you oppose a nomination? there is some question whether or not what are the full opinions concerning the drone
program here and abroad. i am thinking through as far as deciding it. i kept an open mind. this battle is never about the president being a democrat or whether they are about a democrat appointment. to me it's about the principals that might be overturned by the nominee. >> thank you. i know you have a lot of work to do and i appreciate you coming on. we will see you on the floor voting. thank you very much. back to you. >> i tip my hat to you for grabbing rand paul, the man of the last 24 hours. appreciate it to you. we heard that opening question, are you satisfied with the white house's answer being no? he said yes. debatable according to the senator whether or not he will vote for john brennan in confirming him for the next cia chief, but that vote will continue on. coming up, we are watching and waiting for the president as he is expected to be signing any moment now the violence against women act into law. we will take that for you live
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in venezuelaa, mourners gathered and millions lined up to see hugo chavez's coffin where he studied as a young man and where he lies in state. he died at age 58 after a two-year battle with cancer, but a general is telling a reporter chavez actually died of a heart attack. it could be a long, long wait. >> there is no date for the conclave established. nor is there a mass for the election of the roman pontiff reserved or booked for st. peter's basilica on monday afternoon. >> someone should tell roger mahoney who said setting a date for conclave nearing that comes after cardinals agreed to a media blackout. all 115 cardinals needed are at the vatican. expect to see big changes to your facebook feeds.
this hour the social networking site unveiled a fresh version. the upgraded news feed will have larger photos and videos and they will be organized by content type like music and games and pages you like and follow. facebook will begin rolling out the changes today. now to washington as president obama is about to sign the violence against women act. let's listen. >> everybody will pick up their stray soda cans and stuff afterwards. i want to thank attorney general holder for joining us. he's doing a great job. we usually host these bill signings over at the white house, but there were too many of you who helped to make this happen.
you all deserve to be a part of this. i want to thank everybody on this stage. joe mentioned the extraordinary work that each and every one of the leaders, both advocates and legislators. >> you left out the congressman. >> there you go. give tom a hand. >> everybody on the stage works extraordinarily hard. most of all though this is your day. this is the day of the advocates and survivors. this is your victory. i love you back. and this victory shows that when the american people make their voices heard, washington listens. so i want to join joe and thank
all the members and congress from both party who is caming to and got this bill across the finish line. i want to say a special thanks to pat leahy. thank you guys for your leadership. i want to give much love to gwen moore who worked so hard on this. i also want to take a minute before i begin to thank the senator who is took another big step towards gun safety reform by advancing a federal gun trafficking law. now the senate judiciary committee sent legislation to the senate floor that would crack down on folk who is bygones only to funnel them to dangerous criminals. it's a bill named in part for a
girl murdered in chicago earlier this year. she marched in the inauguration parade and just a few weeks later had been gunned down about a mile away from my house. i urge the senate to give that bill a vote and i urge the house to follow suit and i urge congress to move on other areas that have supported the american people from requiring universal background checks to getting assault weapons off the streets. we need to stop the flow of illegal guns to criminals and because these families really do deserve a vote. [ applause ] finally i want to thank joe biden for being such an outstanding vice president. that's right. you can stand for joe. stand for joe. give it up for joe biden.
joe is a hardworking vice president. he told me when i asked him to be vice president, he said well, i don't just want to sit around. i said i promise you, i won't let you just sit around. he has not. he has played a key in forging the gun safety reforms i talked about largely by working closely with survivors of gun violence and their families. he formed the violence against women act 20 years ago never forgetting who it was all about. on behalf of everybody here and all the lives he touched through the violence against women's act and survivor who is are alive today because of this law. the women who are no longer hiding in fear because of this law and girls who are growing up aware of their right to be free
from abuse because of this law. on behalf of them and their families, i want to thank joe biden for making this one of the causes of his career. now as joe said earlier, we have come a long way. what when joe wrote this law, do nestic abuse was seen as a private matter. best hidden behind closed doors. victims stayed silent and felt they had to live in stham they done something wrong. even when they went to the hospital or the police station, too often they were sent back home without real intervention or support. they felt trap and isolated. as a result domestic violence too often ended in greater tragedy. one of the great legacies of this law is that it didn't just
change the rules. it changed our culture. it empowered people to speak out. made it took for us as a society to talk about domestic abuse. it made it possible for us as a country to address a problem in a real and meaningful way. it made clear to victims that they were not alone. they always had a place to go and they always had people on their side. today because members of both parties worked together we were able to renew that commitment. reauthorizing the violence against women act is something i called for in my state of the union address and when i see how quick it got done -- [ applause ] makes me feel optimistic.
because of this bill, we keep in place the protections and services joe described and we will expand them to cover more women. this is a country where everybody should be able to pursue their own measure of happiness and live their lives free from fear no mearlt who atu are and who you love. that has to be what it's about. today is about the millions of women and the victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault. we are out there right now looking for a lifetime and looking for support. they will continue to have access to the services that joe helped to establish 19 years ago and the national hotline and network of shelters and protection orders that carry across state lines and because of this bill, we are expandi
expandinging so no woman has to choose between a violent home and no home at all. that's what today is all about. today is about the law enforcement officials like the police chief. [ applause ] they are the first to respond when a victim calls for help. because this bill we are continuing all the training and support that has proven so effective in bridging gaps that were in actual enforcement of the law so we can bring more fenders to justice. we are giving our law enforcement better tools to investigate cases of rape that remains a consistently underreported crime. helping police officers deliver on the most important part of their job. preventing harm and saving lives. that's what today is all about. today is about women like diane.
i am so grateful diane shared her story. that takes great courage. there is a common story. i know we have tribal leaders here today. i want to thank you for fighting so hard to make this bill a reality. [ applause ] indian country has some of the highest rates of domestic abuse in america. when native american women are abused by an attacker who is not native america, the attacker is immune from prosecution by tribal courts. as soon as i sign this bill, that ends. [ applause ] that ends.
tribal governments have a right to protect their people and all people have a right to be protected from fear and that is what today is all about. today is about the american who is face discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. [ applause ] i want to thank sharon who is here. there she is. the work she is doing. [ applause ] great work she is doing with the anti-violence project. sharon and all the other advocates focussed on the community can't do it alone. now they won't have to.
that's what today is all about. that's what today is all about. [ applause ] today is about the woman who come looking for support. [ applause ] immigrants who are victims of domestic abuse. [ applause ] imagine the dilemma for so many. if you have an immigration status tied to a husband who beats or abuses you and you are an undo you meaned immigrant, you may feel there is too much to lose by coming forward. the violence against women's act already had protections so they can call police without fear of deportation and those save lives and we fought hard to keep them in place, they remained a line for so many women. that's part of what today is all about.
today is about young women who brought into the sex trade by a neighbor when she was 12 years old. she was rescued by trafficking survivors. she is enrolled in college and working to help girls stay out of the sex trade. couldn't be prouder of her. so proud. with this bill, we reauthorize the protection act to help more girls turn out like her.
that's what today is all about. today is about all the survivors. all the advocates who are standing on this stage. it's also about the millions more they represent. that you represent. it's about our commitment as a country to address this problem. every corner of america. every community. every town, every big city as long as it takes. we made incredible progress since 1994, but we cannot let up. not what when domestic violence kills women a day. not when in women will be a victim of rape in their lifetime. not when in three is abused by a partner. i promise you, not just as your president, but as a son and a husband and a father, i am going to keep at this. i know vice president biden will keep at it. my administration will keep at
it for as long as it takes. i know all the advocates up here and all the legislators and republican and democrat who supported this. i know they could not be prouder of the work they have done together. i think i speak for all of them when we say we could not have done it without you. so with that, let me sign this bill! [ applause ]
>> violence against women act. you heard the rousing crowd and you mentioned he had such a huge crowd as they wanted to watch him sign this bill into law and they had to move this you heard him say this is a lifeline to domestic violence. they had a huge shout out to the vice president who 20 years ago
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. sharks. we hate swimming with them or at least some of us do. it is these pictures that have south florida buzzing today. look at all of them. a lot of sharks. dozens. beaches are closed. tens of thousands of sharks migrating south for the winter. just 200 yards from shore, this species is the black tip shark. spinner sharks being spotted as well. not considered too dangerous, but further out is where you find the big boys. the great white. >> they were for 40 years and have been all over the world in all continents with living sharks.
i never have seen a great white alive. >> the director of research down the road from us. and a live look from florida we have george howell. out to you first. let's throw the pictures back up. that tells the story. me where are they from and where are they going? >> it's exciting to see this. it should be exciting for anybody. amazing natural spectacle. they are doing their natural migration and come down the coast. >> where are they coming from? >> north carolina and that part of the world and make their way down for the winter. as it warms up they make their way back again. aren't students aware?
we have a crystal clear water and when you look at the video, you can see all these tiny dots. again we are talking about thousands of these. this is the time they do it. marine biologists said it's between february and march. that marine biologist said this type of shark is not so dangerous to people. there precautions and we found several beaches closed. what is your take on that? are these dangerous or not so much? >> neither of these has been associated with an unprovoked fatal attack on a human. the risk and low and you have a greater chance of being struck by lightning. >> we're all have the jaws music in our head.
as least i do. i had a couple of days off a couple of week ago and i was swimming not far from where george was. what advice do you have for swimmers? >> these present little risk to you. they are interested in an thoefys. if you have a sunny day at the beach, that's not too bad. >> spoken like a true man who went whale fishing. appreciate it. coming up next, our hot topics panel face off including how your boss can put a tracking sensor to monitor your conversations and movements in and out of the office. it's happening some places. plus the word out to the ipod
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in reality this is a massive invasion of privacy. it's not unlike a story reported at huff post. similar in the sense that there were drones going to be using on the board they're can have facial recognition and wire tapping capabilities. they have the employees and legal groups saying current sensing techniques don't seem to violate employment laws and not illegal to track your employees in the building. that's the deal right now. >> doesn't mean it's not creepy. >> i'm not saying that. do you think it's creepy or would you be okay if it means increased productivity in the workplace? >> it's extremely creepy. that's for me to find out, but
as an employer, i would want to know what can i administer to have teamwork happen? i think the way they are going about it is definitely big brotherish for me, however i know employers that look into their employee's e-mails and this is just getting us a little deeper and further into it than we ever had imagined. it's here and happening. i don't know that there is much that can be done about it. >> i agree. it's true as a manager when i ran a division, i would have killed for this data to be able to increase. we used a program called gap up q 12. 12 questions including do you have a best friend at work. that was a sample in time. we took the surveys overtime. this is an actual measure of behavior which can be very important to corporations as we are in these tough economic times and they figure out how who to keep and who not to.
>> a lost businesses would agree with you. hang on. they say look, even size matters in terms of lunch tables and you should have 12 instead of five. that's a catalyst to have one coffee machine and they have to puddle around and come up with inside. just one side of it. let me get to you as we switch year gears. i listened to loud music for so long, i am paying attention. the mayor wants to put a bug in your ear. he is planning to warn new yorkers about losing your hearing for loud music blasting from your earphones to music devices. they have a well-earned reputation for banning items. the 16 ounce sodas and smoking in bars and transfats. menu boards that don't have calorie counts. let's be clear here. bloomberg is pushed to revent the hearing loss. this is not a ban per se, but an awareness.
to you. >> it's a slippery slope. it's on the way to a ban. the issue with bloomberg is he is taking new york from the city that never sleeps to be the city that puts you to sleep. the reality is these transfats and sodas and all of this smoking outdoors, this is problematic. what's next? rounding off the sharp edges on the buildings so people don't cut themselves? muggers have to mug people with their inside voice? he should go back to doing what he does best. extending term limits. >> what's wrong with being concerned with the hear something the hearing is going. you look at studies and not a lot of us can hear. >> he should stick to what he does best. >> i am saying i'm a hip hop artist and want to listen to my music as loud as i want.
i don't think he needs to interfere with that. i don't think it's him, but someone in his office that is compelled to get involved with these types of things. i think more importantly is what about education? there is a 65% increase, but a 35% drop in high school dropout rates that are crazy in new york city. >> priorities. >> the dropout factor. >> you could actually have an education campaign about ear buds. that would be better than a ban. >> this is not a ban. >> you need to educate -- >> let me jump in. that's what's going o. this is an education campaign. is? what you top the spend city resources on, the campaign to turn down -- >> a quarter of a million dollars. >> there so many other things to spend mono. >> i don't want my money spent that way. >> it's hard to speak you. you should speak up. >> do you think obviously i'm hearing them saying it should be
up to me if i top the jack my volume up or not and not up to the mayor. what about the people who making devices. in the fact that we are all going deaf, should they then turn down the volume? >> no. >> that's where you get the ringing in your ears. i have it because i used to run with my ipod turned up rate loud. i went to a lot of loud concerts and it's important that there is education about this. >> i don't think people need to be told not to listen to loud music. do we need to tell people that? we are in a bad state in the society. >> one out of five teens can't hear. that's a lot. >> is it contributable to loud music through ear buds? >> it may be attributable to loud ear buds, but we can turn down our own volume. >> who has great hearing?
>> what? >> what did you say? >> i can't hear you. >> thanks, my panel. appreciate it. my music is too loud. thanks to all of and you we roll on. man busted for drunk driving ends up spending 22 months in solitary confinement and now a multibillionaire. the news is now. want ammunition? lawmaker demanding you take anger management classes before buying bullets. plus a stunning decision sends ripples across america. arkansas outlawing most abortions past 12 weeks, but will it hold up? here comes the trash talk. blue devil christian layton joins us live.
we are talking march madness. top of the hour. i'm brooke battle win and news is breaking live. i hope you saw this. senator rand paul, you know of the 13 hour filibuster and an interview with the chief correspondent dana bash on our show. he is dropping opposition to a key cabinet appointment. he said he has gotten what he wanted from the white house on domestic drone policy. take a look. here he was. >> we just showed the senator, he saw this letter from eric holder moments ago. we watched it happen. his aide got it and gave it to him. senator, it is literally three sentences long. he said that the answer to your question about can americans be killed on u.s. soil, the answer is no. are you satisfied?
>> i'm quite happy with the answer and disappointed it took a month and a root canal to get it, but we we did get the answer. it really is what the senate should be about. advise and consent. i have a feeling since this was so difficult and i never would have gotten this with routine letter to the white house. through the process, i got an important answer. this means that if you live in america, your fifth amendment is not something optional. if someone wants to arrest you, if you are not involved in combat, what he is saying now publicly is no president, i think the words bind everyone, not just this president, but the understanding of the presidency that they can't kill people without due process. >> just to be clear. you are announcing on cnn you will let john brennan's nomination go through and they can hold a vote today? >> as soon as people want to. it's not just to be spiteful and
hold up things and sometimes people get the misimpression that you are doing things because you don't like the president. i voted for several things including chuck hagel and i asked for information. it's the give-and-take that is important. i think letting the vote go is inconsequential. i won't make people wait until saturday. >> that was rand paul speaking live on cnn around this time last hour. we want to go back to dana bash who nabbed that interview. surprise, surprise. a happy ending in washington. >> exactly. not just that, when there happy endings, they happen extremely quickly in congress. people on a thursday afternoon want to get out of town. so we understand that the votes for john brennan will happen in about 15 minutes. about an hour after senator paul told us on this show he was going to lift his objections and
even stop the filibuster and let john brennan's nomination go through. we expect a series of votes in this hour. >> excellent job today. thank you. we will watch for that vote. i want to bring in gloria borger, our political analyst. this was quite the drama unfolding and pitting senator paul against senior letters within his own party. here was john mccain. >> to allege or infer that the president of the united states will kill somebody like jane fonda or someone who disagrees with the policies is a stretch of imagination which is frankly ridiculous. >> gloria, we are talking about this freshman senator rand paul,
dana said happy ending, let's move on. might it have ramifications for the senator? >> it shows you the split. john mccain is an old time pro defense, pro military senator and he believes what senator paul was asking for was really self evident and belittled what i think he thinks is the main issue in listening to him and he believes the main issue is the question of transparency. how people in the senate who are on the intelligence committees or maybe on armed services ought to be able to know how and why the government makes the decision drop drone when is it does drop drones. that's what john mccain would like to hear more about from the administration. it is clear to me he thought this was already evident and eric holder made it more evident
today by specifically saying what he said. he believes it was done for show and we should move on to the more important things. >> 13 hours talking and let's listen again to the senator. >> it's not easy. my feet were hurting by the end of the day. you can't leave the floor or sit down. you can't use the restroom. >> you were told that. >> it's a rule that the staff in there that works for republicans and the democrats and they inform you what you can and can't do. you have to ask a question and there is a certain protocol or you lose the floor. they see if you make a mistake to take it back from you. >> gloria, i'm going to go
there. 2016 seems a world away and we know senator paul has not ruled out throwing his hat in the ring. hooz he upped his stature. >> i think he has. i think the baton has been passed from father to son. i think he gets a lot of national recognition for what he has done. personally whether you agree or disagree, what he did was refreshing. we don't often get to hear somebody stand up and talk about what he actually believes. what this was about was about here's what i'm afraid of. here's what i believe. here's what i want to hear from the administration. he took it directly tow people who might be his supporters. then you saw other senators supporting him and this morning we heard from general and lind sea graham who and we have an important constitutional
question about drones. how they are used and how we decide to use them. >> got a response quickly from the white house. >> two sentences. gloria borger, thank you. because of all of this, right to the filibuster and the talking holding up the vote for the president's pick for the director that, vote is now under way and here we have live pictures on the senate floor for john brennan. as soon as we get the results, we will pass that on and winning the senate and go on to the full vote. moves on to north korea, a country on edge as the security council votes unanimously for tougher sanctions. they are ratcheting up the fiery rhetoric and again, the u.s., the latest target. north korea vowing to launch a nuclear attack, saying washington will be engulfed in a sea of fire.
>> there should be no doubt about our determination and capability to neutralize and counter any threat that they may present. i don't think that the regime and pyongyang wants to commit suicide, but as they must know that would be the result of any attack on the united states. >> all of this as north korea threatens to cancel a 60-year ceasefire that ended the korean war. >> now to a story with two pictures. we will show you here it will absolutely shock you. talking about a man by the name of steven. this was the before. his nightmare began in 2005 when he was arrested for drunk driving in new mexico. never had a trial. never saw a judge. for 22 excruciatingly long months, he became locked away in a county jail in a padded cell in solitary confinement for 22 months for a crime he was never convicted of.
now justice. he has just been awarded $15.5 million by that new mexico county. the end of his legal battle comes as he faces a new fight, lung cancer. victor blackwell is here and it's just the before and after. >> shock is the right word. >> shock is the right word. 22 months. the guy is so neglected. he had an infected tooth sitting in his cell, yanks it himself. >> here didn't have access to a dentist. i had a conversation with a spokesperson where this happened in new mexico. he admits this was a failure of the prison officials and also a failure of the legal community. no trial date was ever set and attorneys came for him. he sat in the sil cell starting in august of 2005 and the details are enough to turn your stomach. fungus grew on his face and tow nails grew around his foot.
he said the pain is unbearable. i have to five anxiety attacks a day. he is having troubles, but there was no medical attention. at some point he was released after the charges were dropped because he couldn't stand trial. his health deteriorated at that point. he was awarded $22 million and that was dropped to $15.5. listen to him on the day he was awarded that. >> every day watching me deteriorate day after day after day and did nothing. nothing at all to get me any help. i want people to know that the people that throw me in the county jail that are doing things like this to people. and getting away with it. >> he looks so much older in that picture. we know he is battling lung
cancer. what about when he was arrested. what was his state then? >> the charge was dwi and there was a report of an open container, but he was never convicted. we can't say that was what happened. we know he suffered with depression over his live and that was the reason he was put into that this administrative segregation in a cell alone. as related to his cancer, he has been going through chemo and responding well to the treatments. first payment of $12 million happens today or tomorrow, but the question is how long will he live to enjoy that money. thus far he outlived the prognosis for this lung cancer? >> does he have family? >> he does. one sister wrote to him, but he did not want to worry her and he did not mention the difficulties as it related to his health in the letters. >> what are a story. thank you. a big fish in al qaeda here. the son-in-law of osama bin
laden landed in u.s. custody and is on u.s. soil. it's a name well-known with the terrorist underground. he was reportedly captured in turkey and will make his first appearance in a u.s. court tomorrow. big win there. fresh into his retirement, president obama's former cia director is getting candid about the raid that killed osama bin laden. here is leon panetta. >> he was one of those moments that i will never forget. we were sitting in the situation and the president of the united states is asking everyone in the national security council, what would you do knowing what we know? there were a lot of views. i said you know mr. president, the one test i always used in my public life is to basically say if i had the average citizen
here and i told him what we knew, what would they want us to do? i think most americans would say you got to do this. you have to find out. >> panetta also reiterated they had no specific information. the bin laden was inside the compound to begin with. >> how did this happen? a 24-year-old young woman mauled to death by a lion? >> she loved this. this was her dream come true. nothing but big cats. >> her father wants to know why she was inside this lion's cage and hear his chilling premonition. we will take you there live, next. [ phil ] when you have joint pain and stiffness...
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we drove down there on january 1st to move from seattle and got down there and she showed me the place and the big cats. she had showed me the lion. >> that are lion had no record of overly aggressive behavior and after the lion attacked, another employee and they were shot and killed the lion. live in dun lap, california. the big question was why was she in the wang in the first place? do we know? he has been going in and out and said he can't answer until we expect that will happen in the next few hours and he will provide more detail.
even her father had the question saying that why was my daughter in this enclosure. her going in there she shouldn't have been in that situation, that dangerous situation which of course took her life. >> i know her family has spoken out saying she died doing what made her happy. does that mean they won't press charges or not necessarily? 24-year-old little girl is dead and saying please contribute to places like this. there doesn't seem to be animosity from the family at this point. that could change and at this point they are saying she did die doing what she loved.
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now to cnn's exclusive interview who is talking about education and how we need to make learning more suitable to where technology is going. laurie segal is in austin, texas where bill gates is say key note speaker today. you sat down and spoke with this billionai billionaire. who are his big ideas? >> i did and he helped developing countries and what he is focused on is helping education in the united states. there is a lot of room for disruption. he said technology can change this sort of thing. we asked him a lost questions.
one thing is what's the future of college going to look like? you have these prices that are really high and listen to what he said h to say. that doesn't add much value. there very few large lecture classes given. they focus more on how they have the best out there. the labs and study groups around those. more will have to change because they say we enroll twice as many kids, but your budget will not go out very much. >> there has been much a do about yahoo ceo marissa meyer
saying no to people and no more telecommuting. what did bill gates say about that? >> we had smoken about this. i said look, education is moving out of the classroom. does that mean work is moving out of the office? i said to bill, are we going to be more productive when it comes to being in the office? listen to what he had to say. >> for depends. the general trend has been to give employees more flexibility. we have given that counter trend. we don't want to go to the total extreme. a lost jobs require face-to-face collaboration and if you have development centers all over the world and a sales force that is out with the customers, cools like skype and digical
collaboration on the distance, that is a wonderful thing. >> so brooke, it doesn't sound like she in agreement although he didn't say it outwardly, but the new tools are going to help. >> for depends on the job. coming up next, including speaking up, marissa meyer because of the big bonus and taylor swift, now she is making money for flipping houses? a former soviet soldier missing for 33 years has been found and we will tell you how to make a sandwich in space. the power block is next.
>> bottom of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. technology, sports, business, showbiz news, hitting it all in the power block beginning with this morning. subaru recalling 40,000 cars and suvs. they can start on their own. they have starters that can malfunction. subaru said if i can drop the key fob, the engine might start and run for as long as 15 minutes and the key fob runs out of juice. the out back and preza cross tech. how is this for a bonus. $1.1 million after less than six months on the job is what ja ya hoo is paying marissa meyer. allison is paying a sweet deal. >> very sweet deal. it is based on performance. that's the way yahoo sees it. yahoo was up 46% since marissa
meyer took over in july. it's a yahoo stock doing really, really well. revenue for the company is growing and yahoo is dealing with the revenue, but she is turning things around. she is getting $1.1 million for six months of work. not bad pay. this year she will be eligible for a $2 million bonus. look at this. besides the $1 million salary and bonus, she has $57 million in stock and retention bonus, be keep in mind the portion of that stock will be able to sell for another to five years. it's an incentive to get her to stick around and do well and lift the stock price. look how she compares. her $1 million salary is not so unusual. a lot better than the $1 meg whitman took last year. she is hp's ceo.
maybe that's all she should get. they are struggling and not doing well. >> good for these women. thank you very much. the elusive got particle can be within reach. scientists using a giant atom smasher discovered a new particle last year. physicists have been analyzing to see if it is a god particle. scientists say it's looking more and more like it. they have to look to see if it has zero spin. ever wonder how an astronaut -- i wondered this myself, how do you eat a sandwich in space? it's not about ice cream. maybe an astronaut here with a how to video on you tube. >> peanut butter is open and
squeeze it on to the tortilla carefully. now a little honey. notice something cool about the honey. instead of the bubble at the top, the bubble is in the middle. >> there you have it. a peanut butter and honey sandwich and i will be talking to him and join me for that. a soldier is found alive 33 years after being reported missing in action. the soldier who is say soviet rifleman wounded in battle in 1980 during the invasion of afghanist afghanistan, local afghans rescued him and he has been with them ever since living a sem nome addic life as a healer. sheik ab bull dbbdullah was fou missing in afghanistan. 21 un peace keepers grabbed by syrian rebels have not been
harmed. this is what we are hearing now. they are working to get them released. the peace keepers from the philippines were taken in the area, that is the demilitarized zone in the area. in jordan, do we know why the rebels took these peace keepers. >> that are is near the capital and they say they picked them up and used them as leverage to get the syrian regime to pull out villages and they have been fighting. they say they were unharmed and being kept and the video released seems to back that up. the opposition leader told cnn he expected they would be release and this came at a bad time. after britain said they would get the armored cars and they got a seat on the in this region, they fuel suggestions of
extremists and the leadership can't keep everybody under control. >> i know we have been reporting for months and months on the number of syrian who is have been fleeing to seek asylum to stay safe from the war. what do they tell you? >> 5,000 people in one night come from serious violence really to stabilize. one story stood out to us. the teaming out to the refugee camp that dulled in size. on old lady wouldn't give us her name and explained how soldiers came looking for her because her sons were fighting with the rebels. they dragged her out into the garden and shot her in her legs and set fire to her house. she said she was alone when it happened, but for many people that epitomizes the sheer brutality. a defenseless old lady lying in bed in a refugee camp for
months. >> nick, appreciate it. to sports here at home, this is being called the dunk of the year. jamaal crawford dunks and takes the ball between his legs and passes it and blake griffin takes it from there. here we are into the basket. it might lock like a harlem globetrotter move, but watch it again. boom. l.a. clippers took last night's game, 117-101 over the milwaukee bucks. . >> unintentional house flipper? yes and she is good at it. twist sold the hyannis port massachusetts estate she told last summer near her then boyfriend conor kennedy for
$5,675,00 $5,675,000. the profit is $1 million. arkansas ban bans all abortions after the 12-week mark of pregnancy. compare this to me. the supreme court ruled the 24 week mark. correct? >> some some states have gone to 22 week, but 12 is really unprecedented. a lot of them don't. this is huge for women in arkansas who want to get abortions after the 12th week. >> is it being challenged? >> it is. groups said they will challenge this and exports said this is a good chance that this will be challenged success flee. roe vs. wade said a state can tell you not to get an abortion, but a fetus at 12 weeks is not
with an advanced degree in education from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to meet these challenges and make a difference in the lives of students. let's get started at capella.edu. . >> a dow record for the dow industrials. i don't like to make a big deal about it. they are like weather records. who care fist it was the warmest on record. i care about the trend. if it's continuously warmer, the planet is heating up. the look at the stock market, the dow tells us something is going on. the trend is strong and has been strong for the past four years. the fed kept interest rates so low, you can't make much in the
bank. you are forced into the stock market to make money. there is no alternative. they helped coin the phrase on my show. >> there is no investment alternative and we do believe that home prices will move up. buying a house in the united states right sdmou that's part of a strategy. let's look at the s&p 500. the price of the stocks is based on the expected earnings of the companies. stocks are a better value today than five years ago when the dow was at the same level. i heard people say the dow was 30 companies. let's look at the s&p 500.
they are made up companies and if you invested back on the same day in march in 2009, you would have made more money on the s&p 500. your return is 140%. before i hear any more excuses about how this is the exception somehow, let's look at the wilshire 5,000. this is 6,000 small and medium sized companies and it is up 135%. that's since it bottomed out in the spring of 2009. nobody wants to buy stocks when they are down. everybody wants to get in when records are being set. most investors missed this. they were scarred understandably by the brutality of the market in 2008 that cut the stock market in half. most retail investors and mom and pops were gun shy to get back in the market. a lot of money flew out. that's part of the problem. it's very, very hard to know when to get into the market.
basically what you should do and i'm not in the business of telling you to get into stocks, but look at the risk you are prepared to take and get in. make sure your money is in the stock market. we are looking at heading towards another record. they are up to 14,331. from the cnn money newsroom in new york. [ male announcer ] it's red lobster's lobsterfest our largest selection of lobster entrees, like lobster lover's dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees.
>> demonstrations of a woman who was punished for reporting an alleged attacker to the school's report. they will investigate charges in a complaint with an assistant dean of students to under report the number of these alleged sexual assaults. the administration denies the charge lodged in january by five women. the department will conduct the investigation. >> anger management in exchange for bullets? one lawmaker is audrey gibson and filed the bill friday. here's what she wants.
to complete two hours of anger management before they are allowed to purchase bullets. a case where a teen was shot over an argument around loud music gave her this idea. on the case with this in studio. let's begin with there is more to the story than meets the eye. it is two fold. >> bill 1678. number one, there has to be a three-day waiting period to purchase a firearm. the first question is anger management to buy bullets, but what about the gun? a three-day waiting president and the second part is not only do they want you to complete two hours of anger management online or face-to-face, but her bill makes it a crime to purchase the ammunition without having done that. this is not an administrative detail that they forget, but a criminal offense if you failed
to cleat tomplete the two hours. >> if this went through, wouldn't it be a reason or excuse to get more bullets on the back market? >> absolutely. the opponents are saying what they have been saying all along. it is not the taxpayers. the law-abiding citizens that would have a problem. they are going to follow the rules. what we are talking about when we talk about gun control is the people who are going to skirt the law. putting something like this on the books is not going to make a difference. if people want ammunition, they will get ahold of a.m. anything. you have your buddy go and do the two hours and he can buy as much as he wants and give it out his friends. >> there is a way around a lot of things. >> absolutely. >> will you stick around with me? we are going to take the jodi arias trial live.
we were chatting yesterday. here she is back on the stand. all these questions, 220 questions from jurors asked of her through this judge. today she is back on the stand answering questions from her own defense attorney. we will dip in and talk to holly, next. so if ydead battery,t tire, need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!!
are able to continue on and have the vote in senate. i can tell you that john brennan has been confirmed by a full vote in the u.s. senate to be the next chief of the cia. john brennan, it is a go. now i want to take you live to phoenix, arizona, the jodi arias trial. she's sitting on the stand, this is her defense attorney. this is where if there are any holes left in terms of what she was answering from the jury, this is the chance to fill in the holes from both not just the defense, the prosecutor has a chance, too. here's the defense. >> a simple conversation. >> and in terms of how the relationship ended, it sounds like you would have been the one who at least initiated the conversation. is that correct?
>> objection. >> overruled. you may answer. >> yes, i asked if we could talk and we sat down at the table. >> now, at this point in time, you and mr. burr were still in the home? >> yes, that's accurate. >> and it sounds like you still have a lot of bills to deal with and that sort of thing together, mutual bills? >> yes. utility, mortgage. uh-huh. >> after you broke up with darryl, how long did the two -- the two of you obviously didn't have other places to live at the time of this conversation. is that accurate? >> yes. we only had the house for living arrangements. >> okay. so do you both stay in that house for some time?
>> he stayed until early december and then he moved back to the monterey peninsula. >> so we're talking about after this break we're talking about approximately four months or three months, i guess, of co- b co-habitating? >> yes. >> and was there romantic or sexual relations between you after the conversation? >> no sexual. the only romantic relations was after he pulled out and kissed me on the lips. that was the last contact we had of a romantic nature. >> the time period between you broke up and the moment in time
you just told us about him pulling away in his truck, was the relationship between you and mr. brewer, would you describe it as civil? >> definitely. >> what's going on here, this is the jodi arias trial. holly hughes, criminal defense attorney, let me bring you back in. i was counting, how many days has she been on the stand? 17. this is the 17th day. at what point is this done? >> are we going to see the end of jodi arias? yes. her attorney will do this follow up that you were talking about earlier. then the prosecution, juan martinez will get to follow up on his follow up. >> from the jury questions? >> from the jury questions. then it will be over. then she'll resume her seat at the defense table. but i think, brooke, we're going to see a day 18.
no court monday, no court tuesday. it's going to be next wednesday. so strategically speaking, what her attorney should do is take all of this day, so when the jurors go home for a lo long five-daybreak, they have jodi's version playing in their head and they don't get to see juan martinez catching her in their own lies because that's what they would focus on all weekend. >> the tactics in the courtroom. all strategy. >> absolutely. let's take a look at the big board. four minutes away from the "closing bell." this high we haven't seen way above it now as we are closing from 5 1/2 years ago. back after this. [ male announcer ] this is a fire
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