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a very full night of news to tell you about. breaking news, exclusive word on the access that u.s. law enforcement now has to a new suspect in the killing of four americans in benghazi, libya. also tonight, an outrageous scheme that claimed to help veterans, but it looks like one big scam. we'll tell you where and how. plus, 62 seconds, that's how long prosecutors cy jodi arias had shortly after taking these photos of her boyfriend, for her boyfriend, to attack her, for her to flee, get a gun, grab a knife and kill him, 62 seconds. hear her answer when confronted with that short time frame and see if you can believe it. and if you think you're watching a skydiver plummet to his death, that's exactly what his dive partner thought at the time. the man who fell to earth at great speed lived. he joins us to tell us what it's like to think you're about to die when you're falling. we begin, though, with
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breaking news, exclusive news on the suspect in the benghazi apack. we know police have picked up farrage al shibli, held in connection with the terror attack that claimed four american lives, including the ambassador to libya. exclusively, thanks to reporting of fran townsend, know what the fbi and justice department have not officially commented on, their role with regards to the suspect. fran joins us with what our sources are saying. what have you learned? >> anderson, this guy who was taken into libyan custody, on the eve of the libyan prime minister and foreign minister who met with the president just this week, the fbi was given direct access. that's a huge accomplishment for the fbi. oftentimes, this is the subject of associatinegotiation. i don't expect it was different here. as the prime minister was meeting with president obama, they decided to permit the fbi
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under supervision for the fbi to put questions directly to him. >> was he just captured? do we know? >> it appears, anderson, from my libyan source, that the individual, shibli, had been in libyan custody not for a prolonged period of time, but they obviously wanted an opportunity to question him directly themselves. after some period of time, it may have been brief, but after some period, they did give the fbi direct access, only within the last couple days. >> how much do we know about his involve snaent. >> not clear. the libyan source i spoke to was clear to me, this is all subject of the investigation, the questions, the interviews that are being put to him. they don't know whether or not he was present or directly involved in the attack on the benghazi consulate and they want to know whether or not and how he might have participated in the planning. >> you said the fbi is able to put questions to him. does that mean physically, like they are in the room? >> that's right. and that's not a given in a foreign country, right? >> right. >> once an individual is in the custody of a foreign law enforcement service, you can request direct access.
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sometimes it's granted, sometimes it's not, but it's very important for the fbi's assessment of the individual and the information they're providing to be able to get in a room and to watch him and to put the questions to him. >> and is it known what group he belongs to or may be affiliated with? >> not clear. it is known from the investigation thus far that he's got contacts with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, the al qaeda group in yemen, known that he's got contacts with al qaeda in pakistan. he is sort of an al qaeda type known personality in eastern libya and in the region, and so it would make sense. but of course, it's really important, and from a law enforcement sense, with four dead americans, to try and very carefully and deliberately put the pieces together so you understand his role. and by the way, who else can he identify? can he direct them to other physical evidence so they can begin to put the case together? >> from a law enforcement background, does it surprise you that it's taken this long? >> well, these kinds of investigations overseas where you don't control the environment are particularly challenging. remember, we reported here that
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it took the fbi weeks to get the security situation sufficiently under control that they could even get to the benghazi consulate, and that's a real indication of why this is so complicated. i think it's a real testament. you remember, right around the time secretary clinton was testifying before congress in mid-january, fbi director muller, it was publicly reported that he had gone and met with the libyans to encourage and try to push them for additional cooperation. seems like it's paying off. >> all right, fran. appreciate the reporting. thank you very much. we also should say fran is a member of the cia external advisory committee and in august of 2012, she visited libya and. a massive investigation and breakup of authorities call an illegal grambling operation was a scam that suffered people into so-called convenience casinos with the lure of helping america's combat veterans. no surprise if you've been following our reporting on other scams involving veterans groups. it now looks like only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions in gambling proceeds actually went to vets.
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57 people have been charged in half a dozen states, most significantly in florida, where the scandal's triggered the resignation of the lieutenant governor. we'll tell you why in a moment. drew griffin has the story and joins us tonight. what's the charge here? >> anderson, you have internet cafes where you would go in and rent space and surf the internet, but that's not what happened according to the indictment. it was actually sit down on the internet and start gambling, that these were gambling halls consolidated under the umbrella of the allied veterans of the world, a non-profit charity, giving the illusion that this was a veterans charity, when according to the sheriff of seminole county, florida, in the group it was operating, the group netted $295 million and gave all told $6 million to charity. that is just 2%. >> allied veterans of the world, they say that they are a veterans organization. instead, through a three-year investigation, we've revealed a
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sophisticated criminal network designed purely for personal profit. it is and was a web of fraud and corruption with little benefit to veterans. >> drew, you've done so much reporting on charity scams, particularly those that use veterans and this sounds yet again like another scam using support for veterans as a hook to bring in business. >> absolutely. and as we found in all of our charity reporting, it's the veterans label group that gets the most donations, anderson, because it gets the most support and sympathy from the american public. when you look at what they actually do for vets, they are some of the worst. many getting "f" ratings from watchdog groups. and i think that's what's so appalling to florida officials. they were buying ferraris and boats with some of this money. the attorney general and the governor went on camera yesterday and said this alleged criminal ring was really using that sympathy for veterans to run this gambling ring. they called it appalling.
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>> it is shameful that allied veterans of the world allegedly attempted to use the guise of a charitable organization to help veterans in order to lend credibility to their $300 million scheme. >> i want any funds from these groups to be immediately given to charity. i have zero tolerance for this kind of criminal activity, period. >> what's so crazy about it, it turned out the lieutenant governor in florida was actually doing ads for this charity. we take a look at this from a few years ago when she was a state representative. she sounds like she's endorsing this group. >> as a veteran who served during the gulf war, i personally know how hard it is for service members to be apart from their families. allied veterans of the world is making it easier for them. >> i will tell you, i talked with the florida department of
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law enforcement today and they're talking about investigating further what the political connections were with this group. you know, this allied veterans, they spent more than $400,000 lobbying in the state of florida, put tens of thousands of dollars into the pockets of campaign coffers. now, lieutenant governor jennifer carroll, she's done the right thing, apparently. she resigned over this. she was questioned in the investigation and she consulted for this group, allied veterans of the world, for a couple of years, 2009 to 2010, while she was that state representative. as of this point, anderson, no one is saying that she's part of this. she's not part of the 57 charged in this, but certainly, it is an embarrassing moment, and she has now resigned as lieutenant governor of florida over this. >> yeah. and what does that mean, that she was consulting, not knowing anything? this apparently has been going on for a long time. how did they get away with it, especially because it seems so obvious these were gambling halls? >> yeah, and i mean, it was so obvious that that's where the initial tip came in a couple of
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years ago. a guy, a veteran walked in actually looking for help and looked at what was going on and came back out and told authorities, this is a gambling hall. i don't know what you guys are doing. but apparently, they don't like the word gambling. they use the word gaming. and you know, that was, according to the police, part of the scheme. although you would allegedly go and sit down at an internet computer and start gambling on various games, the staff would call it gaming. you wouldn't cash in your chips. you'd redeem points. but in fact, according to the charges, these were strictly gambling halls, casinos, really. the points were money. and there was no doubt. they weren't playing pacman or call of duty. these were casino games going on. >> again, you've done such great reporting on this over the last couple months and it's so infuriating. appreciate the update, thanks. we'll continue to investigate this. follow me on twitte twitter @andersoncooper. up next, what a difference a new pontiff makes, trading in a limo for a vw, and that's not the only way the catholic church is getting down to earth today.
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we'll look at that as well as troubling allegations from his past in argentina. we have more from john allen, also a spokesperson for the vatican. and the man who fell to earth lived to tell about it, literally. how things went terrifyingly wrong for this man and how he survived.
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welcome back. well, last night at this time, i was in rome and spent several
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hours in st. peter's square along with more than 150,000 other people witnessing history. it was, of course, extraordinary, an extraordinary moment for many in rome and watching around the world. for pope francis, today was time to get down to business, and he did it in a way that no other pope ever has. pope francis returned to the sistine chapel on his first day as pontiff to deliver his historic first sermon. catholics around the world searched for meaning in his words. >> translator: if you don't w k walk, stop. if you don't build on a stone basis, then what happens? what happens to children on the beach? they build sandcastles. they all fall down. >> reporter: lasting over seven minutes and spoken in italian, his homily was widely interpreted to be a calling for the church to move forward, to settle past controversies.
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pope francis was known to live a humble life in argentina, and since assuming the chair of st. peter, signs indicate that will continue. >> he's supposed to go up these steps on to a platform and sit on the white throne, and then we're supposed to come to him and knee in front of him to give him our love and our loyalty. he just said, no, i'm going to stay down here and greet each of my brothers. now, that's a powerful sign. >> reporter: after addressing his flock for the first time, he refused to ride in the car prepared for him, instead riding the bus with other cardinals. and at his first dinner as pope, the vatican says he toasted the cardinals and showed his self-deprecating sense of humor, joking about his election, "may god forgive you for what you've done." but as the world's spotlight turns to francis, questions emerge about his past. in the 1970s, he was head of the jesuits in argentina as the military junta kidnapped, tortured and killed thousands of dissidents. allegations surfaced that he
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withdrew his objection to two priests, giving the military a green light for their abductions. he's repeatedly denied the charge. for those faithful who hope for a pope more liberal on issues, his record is staunchly conservative, against abortion, in clash with his own country's endorsement of same-sex marriage and free contraception, but defenders say pope francis has long been a champion of the poor and his record backs that. >> translator: we live in a situation of poverty, scandalous poverty, from the lack of jobs or the diseases that massively affect us and that hit the hardest because of the lack of justice. >> the world's 1.2 billion catholics will now look for their new pope to champion the church and lead it out of turmoil and into the future. ♪ >> well, the new pope's backstory is fascinating. the challenges facing him daunting, to say the least. the time he has at age 76 to
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deal with him, are the actualal numbers limited? joining me, father thomas roe seeka and senior analyst john allen, also correspondent for the catholic reporter. father, it's been a remarkable start for the new pope. there's a lot of coverage, talking about him taking the bus, stopping by to pick up his luggage, paying his hotel bill. do you see this as a new era? >> it's different, but let's put it this way, he's taking charge and he's just continuing what he did in buenos aires. he was used to doing things by himself very simply, and that's just continuing here, except it's probably upsetting people here a little bit more than usual, especially this morning, he stopped and told the driver let's just stop by and pick up my luggage, then going to pay his bill. he also thanked the help in the house. he thanked the housekeepers and the cooks and everything else. he's a very thoughtful person. >> john allen, is there substance here? i mean, is there meaning in this
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new style, the vehicle he rides in and the style of vestments he wears? you could say these are small things when you compare them to making decisions on church teachings or the way the church is run, but do you think there's a message here? >> well, look, anderson, the plain fact of the matter is that popes teach not only with their words but also with their deeds, with their gestures. and i mean, you're right, i mean, these are small things at the very outset of a pontificate, but he's setting a tone. in addition to the things you mentioned, i was also struck by the fact that when the cardinals were leaving the casa santa marta, the papal limousine was ready for the new pope to hop in and separate himself from the crowd, and instead of doing that, he decided to get on the bus with the fellas and ride with the other cainals, which we would call a gesture of collegiality. that is, the pope is not above the other cardinals and other bishops of the church, but he is one of them. and you know, i think all of this is about setting a tone. we're going to have to see how it plays out and the concrete
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acts of management and governance this pope has to take. but at the beginning, i think most catholics looking at this would say this is a very promising start. >> but certainly, john, when it comes to doctrinal issues or controversial issues, abortion, contraception, same-sex marriage, things that the pope -- i mean, there's no indication that the pope is in any way taking a new direction on any of those issues. >> no. listen, my experience of interviewing catholic bishops across the developing world -- and of course, pope francis comes from the developing world, from argentina -- is that by western standards, by the standards you and i are familiar with, anderson, it's sort of a counterintuitive mix, conservative on some things, liberal on others. when it comes to the hot-button issues of the cultural wars in the west, particularly sex and morality, things like gay marriage, abortion, contraception, you're going to find bishops from the developing world, including the new pope, to be quite conservative. but on a whole laundry list of other things, social justice questions such as concern for the poor, war and peace, the
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environment, fairness in international relations, on those kinds of issues, they're going to profile to us as very liberal. that's the kacatholic ethos in e developing world and i think you'll find that true of this next pope. >> when a new president takes office, a new staff comes with them and they flip the switch, there is major change that happens fast or at least tries to happen fast, executive orders, new cabinet officials. how does it work at the vatican? there's been talk over the past 24 hours about him shaking up the church bureaucracy, but how does it actually start and when would anybody actually see any kind of actual change? >> very good question. i don't think we would operate in the same way as a government as the white house or prime minister in britain or whatever. but the pope does bring in certain people with him, people with whom he's worked, he felt comfortable with, and there are also some key positions that are opening in their normal course. so, one of the key positions
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we're all watching for is who is the person that will be assigned to be secretary of state? sort of like the prime minister. the pope is the pastor reaching out to the world, and somebody has to run the operation home to make sure all of the parts are connected, there's proper communication. and so, that position, the secretary of state, cardinal number toni is past the age, has submitted his resignation. that will come probably not next week, but that's high on the agenda. also, in the immediate household, the circle of the pope, he'll have to bring in his assistants, secretaries. for example, who will be the group of people that will look after him in the house? pope benedict had a wonderful group of communion liberation, four women. pope john paul ii had polish sisters. who will pope francis bring in? those are the kinds of things, and they'll happen in the next little while because he has to unpack, get used to a whole new
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way of life. demand a sense, this is public living now. no matter how private you want to be, everything is going to be looked after. but the difference is, this guy's got his own will, and i don't think he's going to let the system or the structure dictate to him. >> it's a fascinating day. father rosica, thank you as always, john allen as well. up next, the jodi arias murder trial. the defense put an expert on the stand today to help explain arias's memory loss. how convincing was he? randi kaye was in the courtroom. and the parachute fails as well as the backup parachute. >> in the air, i knew i was going at a speed that i probably was not going to survive.
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crime and punishment tonight, the jodi arias murder trial. she's accused of shooting ex-boyfriend travis alexander, stabbing him dozens of times, cutting his throat. if she's found guilty, she could be sentenced to death. today the defense relied on expert testimony. more on that in a moment. arias herself, as you know, spent 18 days on the stand testifying she doesn't remember much of the attack, which she calls self-defense, the
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prosecution calls premeditated murder. her testimony ended with a face-off with the prosecutor. here's randi kaye in phoenix. >> please stand for the jury. >> reporter: on her final day on the stand, jodi arias was schooled in mathematics. do the math, the prosecutor attempted to show. her story doesn't add up. >> at some point in your life, you've bought watches, right? you know about time, ma'am. you know that movement takes time, don't you? >> reporter: martinez says arias simply wouldn't have enough time, given the evidence, to first go searching for the knife she used to stab alexander nearly 30 times and slit his throat. he says she must have had the knife with her in the bathroom when she was taking these digital pictures of a naked alexander in the shower. >> it would have taken time to actually look for it, wouldn't it? >> i guess under that theory -- >> sure, under that theory, it would take time, right? >> yeah, i guess. >> reporter: to prove his theory of premeditation, the prosecutor
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showed these two photographs taken just 62 seconds apart, according to their timestamps. arias says this accidental photo of the ceiling was taken after she dropped alexander's camera, when he was still alive. that's when she says he lunged at her. >> in the 62 seconds between that photograph and exhibit 162, you are body-slammed? you get away. you get the gun. you shoot him. and then, after you're able to get away, you go get the knife and he ends up at the end of the hallway, nall 62 seconds. that's what you're telling us? >> no, that's not what i'm saying. >> reporter: regardless of what arias is saying, the photo timestamps say something else. in this second photo, taken just over a minute later, arias's foot is seen next to alexander's bleeding body in the bathroom.
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by now, he's been stabbed and shot. with just 62 seconds between the photos have been enough time to support arias's scenario that a chase and a struggle occurred? >> i don't know. >> reporter: more than a month into her trial, on her 18th day on the stand, jodi arias offered a brand-new scenario for how the knife came into play. listen to this. >> you needed to go get that knife at that point, correct? >> no, it's possible travis grabbed the knife first. >> you never told us that he had any knife there, did you? >> no. i wasn't asked. >> reporter: jury members also had questions for arias about the knife. seems they, too, were trying to make sense of her changing stories. >> you said you remember putting the knife in the dishwasher after killing travis, but you also say you don't remember anything after dropping the knife on the bathroom tile. which is correct? >> i have a vague memory of putting a knife in the dishwasher. i'm just not sure if that's the
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memory from june 4th. >> reporter: and there were more questions about the gun arias used to kill alexander. was it in a holster or not when she says she grabbed it out of alexander's closet? just last week, she told the jury she believes the gun had been in a holster. now, suddenly, she's not so sure. and this is key, because the state believes she brought a gun with her to kill alexander and never really grabbed a gun from alexander's closet. arias seemed to get tripped up again on this question about whether or not the gun was loaded. >> did you tell the jury when you were talking about the attack, in response to one of their questions, that you believed the gun was unloaded? do you remember saying that? yes or no? >> i don't remember saying that. >> that's all i'm asking, yes or no, do you remember saying that? >> i don't know. >> reporter: after that, the prosecutor let her have it. >> what were you going to do with the gun, throw it at him? >> reporter: for once, even jodi arias seemed too flustered to respond. randi kaye, cnn, phoenix,
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arizo arizona. >> let's dig deeper. our legal panel is joining me, analyst jeffrey toobin and defense attorney mark geragos, author of "mis-trial." the prosecutor made a lot of the 62 seconds that the crime would have had to have been committed in, saying it was basically impossible. why is that such an important point? >> well, because it's the key to her whole story. she has an explanation as to how the crime unfolded, and the photographs, weirdly -- i mean, that's just one of the weirdest things about this case -- are basically a timestamped version of how the case unfolded. her version doesn't seem to make sense. i thought martinez was so effective in pointing out how absurd it is that she could have done all of that in 62 seconds. >> mark geragos, what did you think of the expert that the defense had, talking about memory loss? i just want to play some of what he said for our viewers who didn't watch it. >> people who suffer from stress-producing trauma will
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frequently not recall what happened for a certain period starting at the beginning of the trauma until some time thereafter, which could be measured either in hours or even days and sometimes even weeks. >> mark, what do you think of how he did? >> i think it's something that you see, or at least i see in the practice all the time. i mean, it was exactly what i expected. my theory has always been that this is what the defense is doing here. this is exactly what you expect. when we're trying to analyze her testimony before we've heard the expert testimony, it doesn't quite make sense. once you see it in context, now you'll understand what it is, the kind of narrative that the defense is telling you. >> i thought this dr. samuels was one of the best expert witnesses i ever saw. >> really? >> i thought he was clear, he was conversational. now, it may be total hocus pocus. it may be that the jury doesn't buy it at all, but if the jury is looking for a reason not to
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give her the death penalty, samuels did it. i thought it was extremely effective. >> mark, do jurors buy so-called expert testimony? they know, i assume he's being paid by the defense. he's supposed to be impartial, but they must take that into account. >> one of the trends recently in recent years is to get experts who are appointed by the court as opposed to being a defense expert or a psychiatric expert for the prosecution. having said that, i think jeff is right. at least, so far, every account that i've seen, he seems to have come off extremely well. i think there is a tendency amongst jurors to use the expert in the following fashion. if it says something that you agree with that kind of resonates with you -- and i've used that word a lot in this trial -- then you tend to adopt his argument, and that's what you say to others or the argument you make to others when you're in the jury room and you're deliberating. in this case, i think if there's anybody there who wants to cut her some slack, that this
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expert, combined with her testimony, will certainly give them the ability to do that and argue that she shouldn't be put to death. >> the expert is not saying that she's legally insane. all he's saying is that she has ptsd, her memory loss is understandable. i mean, i find that, frankly, very hard to believe, but i do think that, as mark said, if someone's looking for a reason to cut her a break, he certainly -- >> the idea, though, that she couldn't fake memory loss, do you buy it? because frankly, her explanation of the memory loss, and it seems kind of shifting, i'm not sure how effective it is. >> that certainly is a weak point in her testimony. mark, go ahead. >> i was going to say the same thing as jeff. i've seen people fained memory loss and not just defendants, but i've seen cops faine memory loss whenever you catch them. i'm not sure it has to be ptsd or anything else. i think sometimes people lose
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memory when they're cornered. >> and the problem is that her memory loss is so convenient. it's always the incriminating stuff she remembers and the -- i'm sorry, the incriminating stuff she forgets and the xult entry stuff she remembers. >> the expert had a pretty good explanation for that today, i think. and what i expected, i think. that basically, that that is the trauma. the things that are the most traumatic are what will produce this reaction, the psychiatric reaction that will cause somebody to lose memory, so -- >> i don't want to get convicted syndrome. is that what it is? >> right, well, that's a different -- the prosecutors will call it that. the defense will say that it's trauma. >> we'll see. >> but the prosecution can just bring in their own expert, you know, who can say, you know, this is contrived, you can try to fake this, and she's clearly trying to fake it. >> and that's exactly -- i think back to your other question, anderson. a lot of times, what will happen is if the psychiatric expert by the prosecution is really good,
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then a lot of times, you'll see jurors just say, ah, well, we'll cancel it out. >> the prosecutor seemed concerned that the defense was trying to get into the jurors' heads with this defense expert. i mean, is there a line on this? >> not really. i mean, that's why they call him. that's why he's there. again, it's a subtle thing, and particularly in a death penalty case. i mean, that -- the task of the defense in a death penalty case is very different than in a guilt-innocence case, because you know, ptsd might not even be relevant at all if this were simply a case where life imprisonment is at stake, but because her mental state and her testimony is so important on the issue of death, it really takes on a much more out-sized importance. also, it's just another reminder of why death penalty cases are so much more expensive than other cases, because you have testimony like this that the state has to pay for. >> yeah. jeff toobin, mark geragos, thanks very much. up next, free fall. take a look at this.
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>> i felt that this was how i was going to die. >> the parachute fails. he lives to tell the tale. we'll tell you how. and north carnival cruise with another big problem at sea. if they could see us now
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hey, welcome back.
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you've never know that a man named craig stapleton almost died days ago. the master of 7,000 sky diving jumps crash-landed. he and his partner were perming a stunt when his parachutes failed. he spun uncontrolly through the air and landed without single broken bone. asked how that is possible, i spoke with stapleton and his partner, katie hanson. craig, just looking at the video, it gives me a pit in my stomach. when did you realize things were not going as planned? >> when katie and i were flying our two-stack, things were great. we were just? our little parachutes flying along. and as we separated out when we got to the end of the line and we're supposed to turn down, i went from nothing in the line to, boing! and it just flipped me upside down. i actually flipped up through my gear and back down. and right then, my parachute had started spinning and i was
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flopping at the end, and right then, i knew i had a real serious issue. >> how long were you spinning out of control for? >> well, it seemed like most of my life, but it was merely, probably 10, 12, 15 seconds where i was really flipping around where i didn't have time to communicate to katie that i had an issue. >> what was your last thought before you hit the ground? >> my last thought was actually to exhale and survive the impact. >> i also heard that you were thinking to yourself that you didn't want to land on some spikes? where were there spikes? >> out where we jump, there's a lot of grape stakes, vineyards, and there are essentially grape plants with a five-foot iron rod and then wire or piano wire or whatever running between all the plants, so -- >> is that a good place to be jumping? >> it's great if you don't land out there, if you're flying over it, it's awesome.
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it's very pretty. if you land in it, you'd better be going down the rows. >> but -- >> so, i knew -- >> how fast are you traveling at this point? >> i think i was doing about 30 or 35 miles an hour just prior to impact. it's hard to judge from the video. i'm not a great judge, but in the air, i knew i was going at a speed that i was not probably going to survive. >> did you think this is it, i'm going to get killed? >> i thought early on in the dive i was going to die. once i had a serious malfunction with the main, and the flag was still attached to me and i couldn't get a lot of problems solved, i felt that this was it, this was how i was going to die. >> and what goes through your mind when you think that? >> well, i was really sad for my wife and kids. i really was sorry that i had screwed up and left them alone and really sorry for the things i was going to miss out in the futu
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future. i area really sorry for the people on the jump. i knew it was going to affect them and for the people around me it was going to be really hard, but that's also why i wasn't going to give up. >> you came close to one of those stakes, though, didn't you? >> oh, absolutely, within a couple feet. >> a couple? and did you actually see it, i mean, when you were about to land? >> actually, as i was coming in to land, i remember looking across and i could see all the vineyard disappearing into the distance. it's really pretty. the sun was at the right angle, it was very aesthetic. and i remember i was at the right height just to look across all those plants and lines, and i was like, wow, that's really pretty. and i could see the plant going by me and i was like, i wonder how far the one is behind me. and the next thing i know, i was on dirt. just thankful to be on dirt. >> katie, as you run over to him, i mean, you must have thought the worst. >> oh, i did. i was spiraling down. once we separated, i was spiraling down following him, you know, rooting for him to clear all the problems and following down so i could get to
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him as fast as i could, and i saw him hit, and i remember just thinking that's an unsurvivable thing. and then i landed on like a little driveway in the vineyard and dropped all my gear and ran over there. and i couldn't believe when i saw him moving, and i had to see him move twice to actually believe it. and i just started yelling at him not to get up, in case things were bad. i assumed that they were. and i got over to him and he was talking and trying to pull his gear off, and i couldn't believe it. i was so happy. >> craig, how do you feel now? >> i'm a little sore, you know. it takes me a few minutes to get out of bed in the morning. >> i would think so. >> yeah. you know, it's going up and down the stairs. i don't run two or three steps at a time, but you know, every day i get better. and you know, i feel in a few more days i'll be back to doing what i want to do. >> well, craig, i've got to ask this question, and i kind of worry what the answer's going to be, but are you going to skydive again? >> oh, yeah. you want to go with me?
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>> dude, no. sorry. >> okay. >> i mean, i don't know if you're the luckiest guy or the unluckiest guy. i'm not sure. >> yeah. i plan on jumping again. that's not my last skydive. you know, i don't know what will ever be my last skydive, but that's not it. >> it's important for you to do it again. >> i have a competition at the end of this month. it's important for me to do it again. if all i do is one more, i'm doing one more. >> well, i -- >> and when i teach students and when i teach people, i always tell them, the goal on every skydive is get to the next skydive. >> well, i'm so glad you're okay and getting better every day. craig, thank you so much for talking to us, and katie as well. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> incredible. a lot more happening tonight. we're going to update you on the trial of the two local football heroes in a rape case that's divided an ohio town and shocked the country. also, another carnival cruise ship turns into a giant floating toilet. how the nightmare ended, next. sure don't you?
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mr. wiggles and curling irons. for the little mishaps you feel, use neosporin to help you heal. it kills germs so you heal four days faster neosporin. also try neosporin eczema essentials. i'm isha sesay with a "360 bulletin pid on a stage partially collapsed in miami as they were setting up for a festival that begins tomorrow. four people were hurt, one critically. day two of the steubenville, ohio, rape trial wrapped up this evening. two high school football players are accused of raping a 16-year-old girl last summer. much of the case is focused on cell phone pictures of the alleged abuse that was
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circulated in text messages and on social media. two women shot by los angeles police during the manhunt for killer ex-cop christopher dorner will get $40,000 to replace their bullet-riddled pickup truck. the truck looked similar to the one that dorner was thought to be driving. the women's attorney says they are not doing well and are still suffering physically and emotionally. and another carnival cruise gone wrong. the company's flying passengers on "the dream" ship back to florida. the ship's generators failed yesterday while docked in the caribbean. all the lights went out, some of the toilets stopped working and no one was allowed on shore. oh, dear. well, the celebrations over pope francis are still going strong in spanish-speaking countries. the choosing of a spanish-speaking pope is meaningful in many churches right here in the united states as well, where the number of hispanic catholics is on the rise. tom foreman has our "american journey" report. >> reporter: the appearance of the spanish-speaking pope from
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across the atlantic electrified the crowd in italy and lit up u.s. shores, too. >> my heart is just full of joy. i'm happy, very happy. >> as we say in latin america, bewel papa. >> reporter: churches like this one in washington, d.c., have undergone a profound transformation. the number of hispanic members is soaring, pushed so fast by immigration and births that they now account for one out of three catholics here. >> and it's a number that's likely to continue to rise because latino catholics tend to be younger than catholics as a whole. fully one half of all catholics under the age of 40 today are hispanics. >> reporter: while many white catholics have been slipping away from the church amid sexual abuse scandals, debates over abortion rights and the role of women, hispanic arrivals have more than made up for the losses, so much so that catholics still comprise about a quarter of the country, just as
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they have for decades. mind you that shift in demographics has dramatically changed the religious map. once a largely northeastern and midwestern faith, catholicism is now growing fastest in the south and the west. the new pope has a ready audience coast to coast in this country. >> so, the fact that he can speak our language is very significant. i think he can get the message through us more effectively. >> reporter: and what they share may be more than spanish is the language of change. tom program, cnn, washington. >> anderson is back next.
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