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>> before you got the offer to come here and play, had you heard of fgcu? >> i never heard of it. i was going to school in orlando at the time. i never heard of florida gulf coast. >> know it's on the radar and everybody is talking about them. >> a lot of people in southwest florida hadn't followed this school until friday night. we are a region of people from everywhere else in the country. and nothing united states us except for the potential hurricane. and now we have something to unite us. >> reporter: since defeating second seeded georgetown in their first ever ncaa tournament game, then going on to beat san diego state, the fgcu eagles surprised everyone. >> everybody is so excited to see their little small town and their community of ft. myers be getting so much, you know, national attention. >> officials say sales at the school's bookstore shot up by 1,000% this weekend. with fans of all ages buying up t-shirts and team merchandise. there is even a new rap song
renaming this school and for the highers, florida, for that matter,s dunk city. and then there is the story about the team's coach, a self-made millionaire and the andy infield left it all to coach basketball. >> we're up tempo on offense. we play tough defense like florida state did when i was there. >> a lot of attention has not only gone to infield even his team but also his wife, amanda markham, a former model who appeared on the cover of "maxim" magazine and this story of his team is playing out on the tenth anniversary of the weekend infield met his wife. >> she's an oklahoma state fan. she's from oklahoma city. we went to boston. i drove her and her friend from new york city to boston to go to the oklahoma state first and second round. and when i picked her up in the car, i didn't know her at the time. i knew as soon as she got in my car it will be a great trip to boston. >> infield eventually won her over and now his team is winning the hearts of fans who never
heard of this school. so the first 15 seeded team to make it to the sweet 16, look, it's a big deal out here. all eyes right now are on what happens friday as this team takes on florida. joe? kate? >> all right. everybody loves a cinderella story. it's blowing up everybody's bracket at the same time. >> amazing. >> all right. george, thanks so much. that's it for us. thanks so much. we'll see you tomorrow. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. america's new war. after threats, the u.s. develops a military response. jerry sandusky is talking again and again the convicted sex offender gives an interview from behind bars explaining the shower. and michelle bachmann under investigation. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone.
i'm erin burnett. "outfront" today, america's new path to war. so the united states is lowering the threshold for american military involvement in a possible war with north korea. in the face of mounting threats from the young untested dictator of the country, the u.s. is getting ready to fight back. now while the nearly 30,000 american troops in south korea are already obligated to defend that country in the vent of an all out war, under the new plan, the troops could fight in direct response just to provications from north korea. it could be a significant difference from the way things are right now. pentagon correspondent chris lawrence is "outfront" tonight. chris, what is this new agreement mean for american troops and the threshold where they would be in conflict? >> reporter: erin, it basically puts it down on paper in formalizes the agreement that the u.s. is going to be a part of this defense right from the get go. not just all out war but even
the small scale attacks. so what are we talking about? well, north carolina was accused of sinking torpedoing a south korean ship. so one of the provications could be north korean ships going into these disputed waters which they have in the past. also air. north korean jets flying into south korean airspace. they came close to violating the dmz just last year. south korea had to scramble four fighter jets in response. and finally, shelling these border islands like they did a couple years ago, that also would very likely invite a response. some of the other reasons are to step up the cooperation between u.s. and south korean troops as well as act as a deterrent. for example, just recently, he threatened to wipe out entire south korean military units on some of the other border islands. erin? >> chris, a lot of people watching will say okay, so does
this open america up to more serious conflict, to war? >> reporter: it actually opens the u.s. up to smaller conflicts. but those smaller conflicts are more likely to happen and they happen more frequently. things that the u.s. might be involved in right from the get go. and even though south korea may still respond first to a north korean provication, if north korea then retaliates, you start to get this escalation that the u.s. could be very much involved in. >> that's right. small things can become big things pretty quickly. chris lawrence, thank you. i want to bring in colonel cedric leighton now. let me start with you, gordon. this agreement, you just heard chris lawrence reporting what it would mean. the things that north korea does regularly could mean american troops are fighting over. you say this is dangerous. it's dangerous in one sense.
we can always get involved even in small provications. i'm concerned we spent 2 1/2 years negotiating with them. we don't look resolute. i can see general they areman saying we're not going to get involved in this incident because it doesn't fall under paragraph one. i think it is better for president obama to stare into a camera and say the united states will respond to attacks on south korea with the immediate use of force. we talk like that during the cold war and we kept the peace. we don't talk like that anymore. and because of that, deterence is breaking down in asia. that's why we have had allst proble all of the problems with deter ents. >> they think they can push us out of arab why and the chinese are engaging in provocative tactics. >> so carl leighton, north korea is a country of 1.2 million people, 120,000 special operations forces. we don't know how many nukes and
up to 800 medium and short range ballistic missiles. just to give everyone a sense of the military power there, and, of course, over the past six months there are a lot of tests and provications. so is this deal a sign that the united states sees war as serious possibility? >> i think so, erin. i think it's one of those moments where the united states is looking at burden sharing with its allies. so it's -- although it may be legalistic as gordon mentioned, these are the kinds of agreements that the obama administration really wants to bring to the forefront with its allies. so in the case of the korean situation, war is an extreme likely possibility because -- extremely likely possibility because what you have here is this hair trigger response that is being created not only by the fact that we have troops there but also by the fact that we have this agreement in place now. >> what does that war look like i've been hearing about it a lot over the years.
i'm not aware, am i prepared for what you just said, that war is a real possibility? >> war may not be a full blown war in the sense of a nuclear confrontation or even a major theater war with massive armies fighting each other across the korean peninsula as was the case in 1950s. but what will happen probably is you'll have responses to some very specific actions. so if an island is shelled, south korean island is shelled, there will be a response that will be commensurate with that action. there is also an action probably to get rid of the north korean command and control element actions against the south.itary- >> what i don't understand though -- who knows this is a gamemanship of war. there is a provication. the united states responds. north korea wants to prove it's tough. why in that situation why wouldn't they use a short range nuclear missnl. >> they know -- missile? >> because we can trace it. >> they believe the united
states would respond? >> no. they may think they can get away with it because if they think the united states won't respond. this is the whole issue during the cold war in western europe whether the u.s. would use nukes to protect countries that were not the united states. actually china thinks they can push us around. we reneged on the treaty obligations and we allowed the chinese to take over. then they ramp up the pressure on the japanese. they ramp up the pressure on south korea. that's how this gets out of control. >> china is supporting north core and providing them a lot of help. they're using powerful wepz apo. there aren't that many americans in seoul. but obviously this video is designed to motivate the north korean people and this comes on top of the other recent videos, right? the one where the white house is in cross hairs and the capitol blew up and new york city went up in flames. these videos are stuff of
imagination. but are they serious? >> well, they're serious and they're trying to intimidate us. and that really is something that is important. the south koreans don't think that we're going to defend them. there was that survey which said that the united states wasn't going to use nukes to help south korea. and the south koreans wanted their own nuclear arsenal. that is a stunning vote of no confidence in the u.s. if the south core evens don't trust us, probably the chinese and the north koreans also think they can push us around. and that's when it gets really dangerous. then someone tries to start something really very, very provocative. >> of course, makes you by this what all this means for iran, too. thanks so much to both of you. still to come, jerry sandusky in his own words. you'll hear him explain the shower incident. plus, the supreme court considers a california law that bans same sex marriage. is america one step closer to marriage for anyone? and anderson cooper face-to-face with crocodiles. you know, i was watching this last night and thinking i just don't think i would have done
our second story "outfront," sandusky tells his side of the story. he did it from behind bars. the former penn state assistant football coach, as you know, was con vicked last june of 45 counts of child sex abuse and now he doesn't know why a key witness in the case thought something inappropriate was going on when shourg with a boy. you may remember that was the center of a lot of this, was what assistant coach mike mcqueary said he saw and heard in the shower. here's a portion of sandusky's interview with filmmaker john ziegler whether aired on nbc "today." >> i don't understand how i would have walked into that
locker room where he was and heard sounds associated that was sex going on. i mean, you know, like you said, i mean there was -- that would have been the last thing i would have thought. i would have thought maybe fooling around or something like that. >> "outfront," former prosecutor wendy murphy and ann bremmer. hearing him laugh there when talking about sex with a boy, i mean that was just disturbing even to just listen to that. when it gets to this question, why in the world is sandusky speaking out now? if he were your client trying to have an appeal, he hasn't spoken to this point? would you tell him to keep his mouth shut? >> yeah. what a piece of work this guy is. i think what's going on here is this is a kind of a test of lying event for him. in a sense he took the fifth in connection with the criminal case. he didn't take the stand. he asserted his right to remain silent. and now there is civil
litigation pending, involving especially victim number two who you heard talked about in that clip. in a sense by testifying in this way, communicating through the media, he gets to participate, dump evidence into the court of public opinion which will have some effect on the civil proceedings, possibly even influence the appellate court though i doubt it. the bottom line is he gets to give his statement without subjecting himself to a deposition or testimony under oath in a court of law. what a creep. that guy has no guts. this is the coward's way, coward's way to seek justice. i don't think it's going to help at all. >> ann, let me ask you about this victim at the center, victim number two. the person who did the three hour interview with sandusky, it was a long interview, he claims that there were events in 2011 that shed new light on the case altogether. especially when it comes to victim two this was the boy in the shower with sandusky. so here's what ziegler claims victim two has said. this is going to shock you,
everyone. >> he very publicly, i have the documentation to prove this, in his own name said the accusers of jerry sandusky are not to be believed and he was the greatest thing that ever happened to him. he gave a police interview in september of that year saying he never molested me and the investigators tried to get him to lie. and then the day joe paterno was fired, i have it in my hands, this is an interview he gave to an fbi trained investigator, a former police officer saying that nothing happened in the shower that night. mcqueary is lying and the investigators trying to get him to lie. >> i mean these are pretty startling allegations. now victim two never testified, ann, as you know. if he was saying what ziegler was saying he was saying that he was the greatest thing that ever happened to him, no molestation, why didn't they put him on the stand? >> absolutely. the thing that comes down to this, in the michael jackson trial, 40-year-old men don't have sleepovers. jerry sandusky, grown men don't shower with little boys. the fact is they have to try this case which is a really
difficult case in a defense. and the fact is should they put the environmenvidence on in yes. they said we didn't have time. we should get a new trial. we weren't really ready. we want to have a doover. some maybe this is the kind of thing they'll throw-in an appeal that didn't work on a new trial motion. the problem is one kid said it didn't happen. doesn't mean it didn't happen to everyone else. >> he was acquitted of this charge with victim number two, the so-called shower incident. he was acquitted in the criminal case. that means the victim now has to prove it. it's a much lower burden of proof. but this could be his way of saying i'm still not testifying in the civil case but here's what i would say if i did. cheap. >> let me ask you about what ziegler asked sandusky about j. paterno. ziegler is defending jay paterno. i'll get to his family on this in a moment. he said with paterno allowed him to keep coaching if he knew
sandusky was guilty of assaulting young boys? that's the crucial question whether paterno does something wrong. here is ziegler's response. >> if he absolutely thought i was, i'd say no. if he had a suspicion, i don't know the answer to that. >> and now the paterno family responded which is interesting. you would think if they were given a window of something that would support paterno, they would take it. they didn't. they said that it's important to make it clear that they have no role in obtaining or releasing this recording, moreover, they believe any attempt to use it in defense of joe paterno is misguided and inappropriate. wouldn't you think, wendy, they would have -- if they thought there was anything real here that they would have supported it since it supports joe paterno? >> yeah, i guess so. i mean they're very odd bed fellows in this situation. i know that they feel very protective of the name joe paterno. and they're entitled to that. they don't benefit by aligning
themselves with this guy even if he says things that help them. >> yeah. >> you know, i do think paterno on some level was overly vilified. i'm not saying he has clean hands. i do think he took a harder hit than he deserved. he had a lot of power at that university. but as a matter of law, it was the university president, that was the person who was responsible. he, i think, i got a pass. that's a shameful hing. >> thanks very much to both of you. john ziegler, the person behind the new sandusky interview will be on cnn tonight at 9:00 eastern. and still to come, a major american university under investigation. students say rapes are being ignored and demanding a government investigation. we have a special "outfront" investigation. plus, amanda knox, is she going back to jail? italy supreme court tonight considering whether she should go to trial again. and the echos of a tsunami. what washed ashore from the other side of the planet from a tsunami years ago today? it's monday.
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the federal government is investigating the university of north carolina at chapel hill after students complained that sexual assault and harassment complaints weren't handled right. in the complaint the women describe an atmosphere of sexual violence at the school. and they allege that campus officials allow a hostile environment with one even comparing rape to a game of football. cnn's david mattingly is "outfront" with the story. >> reporter: after being sexually assaulted while enrolled at the university of north carolina, annie clark and andrea peno approached administrators for help. but the response only added to their pain. >> she told me a rape is like football. and if you look back on the game, what would you have done differently in that situation? >> reporter: did you feel like you were being blamed for this? >> absolutely. >> reporter: clark says she was raped off campus in 2007. she did not go to the police thinking an investigation was pointless because her attacker was unknown to her. pino says it was a similar situation to her five years
later with another unsensitive response from a university adviser. >> then when i said i had been through a trauma and having a difficulty adjusting, you know, they said everyone is having a different time adjusting, you're just being lazy. maybe you can't handle carolina. >> clark and pino along with two other students who say they were rape victims and a former unc administrator filed a complaint that led to a federal investigation by the department of education into how the university handles and reports rape cases. what do you think the investigation is going to find here? >> they're going to find there is a pervasive culture of sexual assault where the university is acted with deliberate indifference. >> reporter: if an administrator tells a student rape is like football, what does that tell you about the culture here? >> well, i'm not going to comment on any specific case but i think that it absolutely needs to be the case that our administrators respond in a way that is supportive and fair to all the parties involved in
these incidents. >> reporter: holdon thorpe is the chancellor of unc. the federal probe comes amid new outrage on the chapel hill campus over a case before the student run honor court. a young woman unsuccessfully sought punishment for an exboyfriend she claims sexually abused her. instead, she ended up facing honor court charges of intimidation. what do you say to these women who say that the system here filed them? >> well, we're supportive of our students and we need to be as supportive as we can possibly be and i say to them thank you for sharing your concerns with us so that we can address them for you and also make sure that what we do better in the future. >> reporter: the university recently defended how it handles sexual assault cases and its pledging full cooperation with federal investigators. there is also been a recent wave of changes on campus much the student run honor court is no longer allowed to hear sexual assault complaints. a former prosecutor has been hired to help formulate changes
in university policies. the women behind the federal complaint say the problem is national and not limited to unc. >> so i think universities are failing when they're more concerned about, you know, either not getting sued or their reputation or compliance than actually helping students. >> reporter: the department of education says it's decision to investigate is not based on any determination that wrongdoing has, nakin fact, occurred. there is no word on when the inquiry will be complete. david mattingly, chapel hill, north carolina. >> we'll keep following that one for you. still to come, michelle bachmann under investigation, an ethics panel tonight taking a closer look. the man who broke the story is "outfront." plus, same sex marriage in the balance. one family has been torn apart. and a giant accomplishment for canada. prime minister stephen harper's 20-year dream finally comes through and it is a big panda u
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about where we focus on reporting from the front lines. we begin with amanda knox who has to wait one more day to find out whether italian judges will make her stand trial for a second time. now a ruling was expected this hour. we hope to have it for you. but the italian supreme court said they put a decision off until tomorrow. prosecutors there still believe knox and her former boyfriend are responsible for the 2007 death of her former roommate. now even if the judge rules for another trial, ann brenner who you saw on our show and attorney for friends of amanda knox, the odds of her being extradited are extremely small because of the double jeopardy law in this country which means you're not allowed to stand trial for the same crime twice. as colorado prison chief tom clements was laid to rest today, there are new developments in the investigation. you may recall on friday we told you that shell casings found at
colorado prison chief tom clements home were the same brand and caliber used in the shootout with texas police. well today a bliss ticks test confirms that the gun found with ex-con evan ebel was used in both shootings. officials are investigating a motive including his ties to the white supremest gang 211 crew that we told you about. the southern poverty law center say they have a record of incredible violence. if it turns out this gang ordered the violence, it may have gone further than any other hate group in the country. there is a change in leadership. an algerian has been named as a new commander for al qaeda in the islamic magreb replacing the leader killed in northern mali. okasha is smart, smarter than
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michelle bachmann is under investigation. according to a law firm, an ethics panel is looking into bachmann's 2012 presidential campaign. the issue is whether or not campaign funds were misused. we first broke the story for "the daily beast" and he is "outfront." you spent all weekend working on this. tell me the bottom line. >> here's what's going on. the office of congressional ethics is investigating bachmann's 2012 presidential campaign. they're sending investigators across the country to interview former staffers, trying to figure out whether allegations of intentional campaign finance violations are accurate. attish rue two allegations. allegations of improper transfer of funds and, two, under the table payments. and right now my sources tell me that the questions are really focusing on two senior members of her staff, guy short, her national political director and her co-chair, ken sorenson. the questions regarding bachmann are limited to what did she know and when did she know it?
there is a paper trail. and this keeps bubbling up. >> when you talk about improper transfer of funds under the table things for what? what is the stuff for? >> sure. clothes? >> no. this is not a clothing allowance. one, it's an allegation that there is money being given under the table to secure support on the part of elected officials in iowa, to help give that -- >> buying boats. >> the second thing is actually towards the end of the campaign they were short on money. staffers weren't getting paid. and the national political director said he was acting as a volunteer. but records show that he paid himself $20,000 in two lump sum payments including on the dayst caucuses from one -- the michelle pack which is for congressional purposes into his own private company. so that paper trail alone is raising a lot of questions and a lot of former staffers are pretty angry about this campaign. >> this though adds to what's been a really difficult time for the congresswoman. our dana bash chased her down to ask her a question about claims she made about excess spending by president obama. i want to play that for you followed by what bill o'reilly
had to say about it. >> i want to ask you about is the fact you said he had -- you talked about the excess that's he's engaged in, the fact he has a dog walker which is not true. >> the big point of my speech is about benghazi. this was an absolute disaster. >> you also made specific accusations about the president's spending money that other presidents also made. >> the real issue is there are four americans that are dead. >> but if you want to focus on that, then -- >> that's it, dana. that's what's posh? you want to talk about dog handlers and there are four americans killed? >> michelle back man is playing small ball with the president. can't back up criticism and triflizes a huge problem, irresponsible spending by the federal government. two words, not good. >> you got to give it to him. he summarized that one up pretty well. this is a woman that won the iowa straw poll. she was the front-runner in the
presidential campaign. shock manage but she still did it. is this the end? >> i don't know if it's the end but people are starting to call bull. she has a well documented truth telling problem. she has more pants on fire ratings than any other member of congress. when you throw a lot of bombs, sometimes you get blowback. what is significant is her own staffers, many of her own staffers are pulling away from her. this is not the most tightly wrapped individual in congress. there is going to be a lot of questions focused on what did she know and when did she know it? the fact they're taking a close look at michelle bachmann that, is big news. >> all right. let's see what they do. >> yeah. >> and some under investigation, not much happened. we'll see what happens. thanks very much to john avalon. same sex marriage is dividing america. tomorrow the supreme court will hear the case against proposition eight. that is the california law that banned same sex marriage. and on wednesday the high court takes on the 1996 defense of marriage act. now this is all happening as a new cnn poll shows that a majority of americans, 57%, have
a family member or close friend who is gay. and in 2007, only 45% of them said that. obviously, the percentage of people they knew as gay has not changed. it's their awarenessst people in their lives that has risen. this polarizing and personal issue of same-sex marriage is bringing families together and in this story, also tearing them apart. >> reporter: in california's conservative valley, a fight inside the home mirrors the debate in the u.s. supreme court. just far more personal. >> do you regret how you were before? >> yeah. you don't realize, you know, how far you can go in your own son. i didn't know. >> she cheered the passage of california's proposition eight five years ago. the state measure that eliminated same sex marriage. what she didn't know, her shy
and withdrawn 13-year-old son was gay. being eaten alive by a sense of shame over his secret. >> the most scary part for me was he trying to kill himself. you know? he was suicidal. i remember nights i had to be with my eyes open. >> shortly after california banned same sex marriage, anthony came out to his family, changing everything for the self described conservative and relidge yous mother. >> i think it's very important for a lot of people that are gay now. why they have to wait so many years to realize if they're in love, they deserve a marriage like the same rules that we have. and i support my son. >> her husband disagrees. >> it's about family. it's about pro creation. it's about, you know, values. he's not going to be a second citizen in any way. >> except he can't get married according to beliefs. >> according to what i believe,
yeah. i'm against it, yeah. i am. i have my reasons, you know. i believe strongly in those reasons. >> what is it like for you to hear your father speak? >> it's just really hard to hear him say stuff like that. but i know it's a process for everyone. i don't think he realizes how much it hurts me individually that he does not support gay marriage. because i would like to get married one day. and i would want him to be there. >> this is quite the list of achievements here. >> anthony now a high school senior is a young activist with a guy straight alliance. but he is also senior class president, on the homecoming court, and finds out this week about his acceptance into harvard. on the eve of his graduation, this high achiever wants it all, including equality in the home. why he pushed to paint this mural in his conservative hometown. >> how much longer is it going to take? how much longer am i going to have to wait to have a marriage? >> are you talking to the supreme court or is your father? >> i'm talking to both of them.
>> a pretty amazing story. just to find that fault line in one family and i guess that's what it comes down to from what you found. it's really an age divide. >> reporter: absolutely right. it is a generational divide. if you look at some of the latest polls, erin, the polls are the millennials. these are people between the ages 18 and 32. 70% support same sex marriage. if tuk younger people like anthony, they say the attitudes for same sex marriage, they already arrived. it's just a matter of the laws and washington, d.c., catching up. >> pretty amazing watching anthony and just all of his achievements. you know, you think about the tragedy of his father and his relationship. so his father doesn't support the gay marriage. at the end of the day, does anthony's dad think prop 8 will be struck down or not? >> reporter: he actually believes that same sex marriage will become the law of the land.
they will be able to marry because if you look at the ages as the ages of the people who will one day lead this country, they really believe that they should have the right to marry. so this father who doesn't believe his son should ab loud to marry does believe his son probably will. >> all right. thank you very much. inspiring son he is. class president and homecoming and all of those things. still to come, china's michelle obama, the country is abuzz about its new first lady. and anderson cooper's one-on-one with a really hideous, scary, nasty beast. he is here to tell us about crocs.
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anderson swimming can krk dials. that's who two wildlife filmmakers in botswana are doing to try to help the world learn more about these amazing -- i think they're gross but we need them. they live on this planet. anderson cooper decided to join them for one of their dives and his story aired on 6 o minutes. here's a peek. >> a >> at first i can't see anything, but then on the floor of the cave i see that gleaming
row of white teeth. >> i finally see one. it's amazing. the beauty to it. but it's also incredibly intimidating. you really have the sense on your so close to it how strong it is. it looks raight at you. you know and it knows it can attack you at any moment. and there is nothing you could do about it. >> now who's crazy? anderson cooper with me now. so what was it like? what is amazing to me is how you can really see the teeth. that was it. the body just merges in with the background. >> you know, it's scary. you're in the underwater caves. there is no natural light. you know, i didn't see it until you really do see that row of white teeth gleaming in the darkness. and that's kind of intimidating. but there is so much sentiment floating around. the thing about them is they have a film that goes over their eyes. so when they're underwater, their visibility is not so good.
so that is working in your favor. you want to try to get as close to them as possible and right in front of them, that's where their vision is the worst. >> which you did. you got right up there and had a stare off. you won that battle. but one of the things that amazed me is when you're on the boat and got why your scuba gear and jumping off, you had to go off really fast. you know, you're hovering around the surface being scared. that's where can you get killed. >> that's where they attack. they kill hundreds of people every year. people in africa fishing and bathing in the rivers washing their clothes. and so when your boat gets to an area where there are crocodiles, they come in the water off the shore and they disappear. >> you had great video of that. i i watching you. you're whispering really quietly because they can hear you. >> and noise attracts them, actually. they kind of come toward the boat and lurk under the surface of the water and are ready to attack. so that's when you dive in. so you want to get to the bottom as quickly as possible. so you try to come, your boat
stops, you get in the water as quickly as can you. >> all right. so, you know, look, you inspire me yet, i don't know if you're crazy. the filmmakers, they're trying to make a real contribution to the world. so how do you know i'm going to be safe. and they said well, i think the crocs don't recognize you under the water. you said you think the crocs don't recognize me? >> these two extraordinary filmmakers, they really perfected it. they seem to know what they're talking about. i just put my faith in them. >> that was enough for you? >> yes. seemed like a good idea. >> go diving down. so why do they do this? >> their idea -- this all happened accidentally a couple years ago for them. they sort of -- this has become their thing. they do it because they're filmmakers and get great footage. also, they want to try to help people study crocodiles underwater. they haven't been studied underwaterment they help scientist go down and collect dna samples, snipping pieces of the crocodile off their tail
while they're underwater rather than wrestling them in the boat. >> that picture we were seeing you pushing the crocodile. >> you see them in a different way. there is a grace and elegance to them underwater which you don't see when they're attacking on the shore. >> because they're not lumbering. they're in -- that's amazing. all right. so how did you train for this? did you have to train? did you know thou scuba? >> i learned how to scuba in order to so i only scuba really for dives for stories. i have done a couple things for "60" and cnn. i took a refresher sort of higher level underwater course of doing tricks underwater, going through hoops underwater just to be able to dive in very confined conditions. >> you have done crocodiles. are you doing black mamba snakes next? >> funny you say that. he's diving with anacondas. i'm not sure i'm going to do it. they're huge. they're not dangerous but
they're really, really huge. just scary looking. >> they can be dangerous. >> they kill you by squeezing you to death. they don't move that fast. >> wow. okay. all right. anyway, i love the piece. thank you for telling us about it. what else is coming up on "ac 360"? >> a lot of stuff on the program. we will be focusing on the supreme court battle over proposition 8. we will talk to jeff toobin about that and also the attorney general from california. a lot of focus on that. we will also look, yeah, bunch of other stuff. >> looking forward to seeing you then. thanks again. pretty neat. i can't wait to see the snakeses. now to our outer circle where we reach out to sources around the world. tonight we go to china, where citizens are abuzz about the country's new first lady. the chatter has been lively on china's version of twitter. users are saying things like our first lady finally shines again and her shoes are really classic and who designed her bag. i asked why the chinese are such fans of their version of michelle obama.
>> reporter: the president of the second largest economy in the world is shoring up deals during an international blitz of state visits and yet some can only talk about his wife. he is married to china's new president. the first lady visited a russian boarding school this past weekend and it seemed to be helping to present a softer image of china, as the husband finalizes trade deals with russia and african countries as well. but she's a star in her own right. she has a master's degree in music and even recorded a music video during the 1980s. in china she's well known as a soprano singer but more recently has been attached to various humanitarian initiatives related to hiv/aids and tuberculosis. it's rare to see the wife of a chinese leader so you could say china is changing its tune as it deals with international relations. back to you. tonight, panda-monium.
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