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natural harbors, and at just $8.5 million, it's almost $145 million less than scorpios. to be fair, no tennis court or houses or onassis thing, but i'm willing to bet you could find some contractors in greece that would throw those things up for a lot less than $143 million. "anders "anderson cooper 360" starts now. breaking news tonight, a s.w.a.t. team entering the home, rescuing four captive firefighters. the gunman who had been holding them is dead. it is all unfolding right now in gwinne gwinnett county, george, suwannee, 30 miles northeast of the city. local authorities are briefing the media. david, what's the latest on this? >> reporter: anderson, this all went down 15 minutes ago. everyone here had hoped for a peaceful resolution to this. and that is not what happened here. the s.w.a.t. team had to make a move on this house to try to
attack the captor, the man who was holding these four firefighters hostage in the home in the neighborhood behind me. what we were able to hear distance here was a series of explosions, concussions. it sounded like a concussion grenade that they used when they start to make a move on a hostage situation followed by what could have been tear gas. what we now find out is that when the officers went in, gunfire was exchanged between the officers and the man who was holding -- the gunman who was holding the firefighters hostage. that man was killed. and one police officer was wounded in the hand. it is not a life threatening injury. he's already been rushed from the scene to the hospital. right now we're told that all four of the firefighters that were inside sustained some minor injuries, because of the explosive devices that were being used in this operation. but they are going to be okay.
as a precaution, they're going to be taken to the hospital as well. but at this point, anderson, the investigation really just beginning. no one here ready to say exactly why or who this man was and what he was trying to do here. >> and, again, we don't know if he killed himself or if he was killed by the s.w.a.t. team. it sounds like the s.w.a.t. team, again, they have not given out that information. david, i've got some more questions for you, but i also want to bring in wesley gossen, a neighbor watching this all unfold. wesley, what did you hear and see? >> well, you know, i've been here -- i had the confrontation with the guy, you know, at 3:00 this afternoon, before he took the firemen into custody. >> what was the conversation? >> caller: i was on my motorcycle making laps. he lives about a house outside my cul-de-sac. and i was working on my bike, so i was just making laps, and he was waving at me, and i stopped. and he started coming at me. but there was a german shepard that came running behind him. i guess he has this -- i've
never seen his dog, nor have i seen him. it's funny, because my wife -- we've nephew seen this guy. yard is always a mess. we live in a nice neighborhood and it's really ironic that this would be going down the first day i see him. i'm lived here a year-and-a-half. >> so you didn't know him, didn't have experience with him before so he starts coming toward you. and he had a dog, you're saying? >> caller: yeah, he had a german shepard that came out of his house. he came out of his front door and was coming towards me to stop me, because i was, you know, just putting by on my motorcycle, making -- i didn't have a helmet on. i was in my shorts and flip flops and checking my bike out in my cul-de-sac. >> did you see the s.w.a.t. team going in or hear the concussion grenade, the flash bangs? >> caller: absolutely. i mean, i'm two doors over so everything was -- you know, to me everything was just normal. obviously, there was a situation. but as i've been sitting here, time is flying, as you know,
when you're sitting here. it was like an explosion, so -- >> how many booms did you hear? >> caller: well, i heard the first initial one -- i thought it was a bomb. because, like, you know, people were telling me -- there's been these robots up and down the street coming in and out. so i just assumed that probably they're checking to see if there is bombs or whatever it is. and there was a giant explosion that shook my house. and then there was a second -- seemed like a smaller one and then there were several semiautomatic gunfire, you know, exchanged. so it was -- you know -- and then it was done. 30 seconds later, i knew everything was okay. because the guys walked out -- they took their hard hats off. and i just assumed everything was okay. >> about how big is this guy's house? you said this thing was over in 30 seconds. so i imagine it's not a large house. >> caller: it's a 32, yeah. it's a 3.2. it's probably one of the smaller houses in the neighborhood. it's -- we live in a safe
community with kids running out, playing outside every day. thank god there were no kids. thank god i didn't stop. this guy -- who knows, i don't know if he was singling out firemen or neighbors or what he was doing. but his german shepard, thank god he came out, because he scared me off. >> there were reports this guy was having financial problems. that he had had some of his utilities turned off. did you -- i know you didn't know him. could you -- were you aware of that at all, in the neighborhood? >> caller: i was not aware of that. as you know, atlanta, like any other large market, hit with the economy. and we live in a neighborhood, and we've got a great deal on our house a little over a year ago. and i would imagine there are people in the neighborhood -- >> how old was this man? >> caller: he's probably 50, 50 years old. he's, you know -- caucasian. balding. you know, first time i've ever seen this guy. and i'm out every day, i'm out talking to people, playing with
kids. you know, it's -- you know, i have never seen the guy, nor have i ever seen this german shepard. but thank god that german shepard was there, because that's what scared me in my house. seeing this dog, running around. >> wesley, stay with us for a second. i want to bring in our reporter david mattingly. you just had a press conference with authorities and i know you're going to play some of what was said. >> reporter: that's right, anderson. you hit on something a moment ago that may be important, as we go down this investigation here. this house, we were able to confirm from real estate records, was in foreclosure. and when we asked officials here about what sort of demands did this gunman make, they said he was demanding that his utilities be turned back on. no tails further than that. but they were able to set the scene for us and tell us what the officers were going through. listen. >> we had our officers make contact with the individual. they made entry into the home. that's what you heard when you heard the explosions. gunfire exchanged between the
suspect and our s.w.a.t. team. the suspect is deceased at this time. one of our officers was injured with a gunshot wound, transported to the hospital. it appears it's going to be nonlife threatening. as well as the firefighters. there were four firefighters injured but all superficial wounds. they're all going to be okay and going home tonight. the officer -- we're going to check him out, make sure he's going to be okay and he'll be going home eventually as well. the suspect is deceased. it appears that the fire department was called out there originally. we don't know if it's going to be a fake heart attack or if he was actually suffering from some type of medical condition. but when they -- made entry into the home, they were taken hostage by him and then he started making demands. these demands were to have his power turned back on. apparently he's going through some financial issues. and the power was turned off, along with the cable and cell phone and so on. and he wanted all those things turned back on and that's why he was holding them hostage. we are still in -- deep into this investigation. this is all i have right now. as we get more information,
we'll be able to release it and the officer's identity and maybe the firefighters at a later date as well. >> what made you decide to go in? >> it's going to be the lives of those firefighters. it got to a point where we believed that their lives were in immediate danger. and our s.w.a.t. team made a decision to go in there and newt allize the situation. >> how did the firefighters get in? you say they had superficial wounds. >> the wounds were from the explosion you heard. that's going to be from the old -- explosive they used to distract the suspect, to get in the house, and take care of business. >> david, a couple key points in that. it's not clear if the man who took these firefighters hostage actually had some sort of medical condition, which is what got the firefighters there in the first place. or if he was faking that in order to get them there to take them hostage, correct? >> caller: that's right. >> reporter: that's right. we do know when the firefighters arrived here at the point they
arrived, everything seemed normal. they came to the house, they took the gurney inside, as if they were expecting a medical emergency. and to bring someone out for medical treatment. that is not what happened. they suddenly all five of them at the time found themselves hostage with this man wielding some sort of firearm. so within about a half hour after that, we're hearing from residents, one of the firefighters was allowed to go free to move the fire engine away from the front of the house. we don't know exactly why. possibly so the man inside could have a clearer view of what was going on. but that's just speculation at this point. but you are hearing from authorities right there about how this happened, and how they carried this out. there was an exchange of gunfire inside. one police officer was wounded. we were told later in the hand. not a life threatening injury. he's already probably at the hospital right now. the gunman himself, he was -- he did -- was killed during this exchange. we don't know if he was shot by one of the officers or if he
took his own life. again, anderson, now that this is over, the investigation truly is just now beginning. >> and david, the other -- question i had is, was there much contact between authorities and his hostage-taker over the course of the hostage situation? obviously one of the first things they try to do is establish contact. was there -- you know, did they send in food, was there any kind of give and take negotiation going on? >> all we know right now, they did make contact with him. this only transpired over just a couple of hours. so they were able to determine rather quickly this situation was not going to change. and, in fact, was probably going to get worse. they were fearing for the lives of the firefighters. that's why they decided to make their move. the object always is to get the person inside talking, to end this peacefully and that's not what happened. something that man said or did told these officers they had no choice but to go in there and use potentially deadly force to end this. >> david mattingly, obviously,
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the u.s. intelligence source says the intel suggests that north korea could be planning actually multiple launches. chuck hagel warned north korea it is, quote, skating close to a dangerous line. he told north korea to ratchet down its rhetoric and said hagel is prepared to deal with any contingency. kyung la-and christiane amanpour is joining me now. any update tonight? >> reporter: well, it's really much sort of waiting, holding your breath. south korean authorities are certainly trained with their eyes to that east coast peninsula here. and certainly we're seeing readiness as well from the u.s. authorities, especially at the bases where the missile batteries are pointed at the sky to the north. among the populations, waitsing to see if it's going to happen. it's between now and april 15th when it's kim il-sung's 101st birthday that people are
expecting something to happen. it's just sort of waiting now. >> and we're seeing these bizarre propaganda pictures of korean troops waving to their leader. kyung, american and south korean troops raised their watch con level. what exactly does that mean? >> reporter: what it means is that the surveillance level has been elevated. when i spoke to the u.s. forces here, what they're saying is, it's almost like a troop readiness level. that they want to be prepared, if something does happen. in case a missile doesn't end up going into the water, it actually gets pointed to a u.s. base. when we were in the town of osang, a lot of the merchants said the troops were not going out. they weren't having recreational time. that they are being told to stay at the base. so it's not that it's an alarm level, per se. but it's almost a readiness state. >> christian, you've been in this region a lot. what's your gut here? is this talk on the part of an
insecure leader? >> the gut is in having talked to a lot of experts who really -- it's their life to figure out what's going on in north korea, we should all be acting like south korean people. in other words, take a deep breath. this is business as usual by north korea. obviously, the unknown is kim jong-un so people want to know what he is going to do and how he's going to do it. most people believe, whether it's united states military, u.s. officials, south koreans, japanese, that it probably will be a test fire. now, obviously, that would be better than a hostile act targeting an ally or so. but there is always room for miscalculation. so, again, you hear the secretary of defense, chuck hagel, saying we're prepared for all contingencies. you hear the head of the pacific command, admiral locklear saying yes we can defend ourselves and would not recommend shooting down a missile if it specifically doesn't threat our allies. once this crisis is over and
what some people believe is that it will be over, and that kim jong-un will be able to turn around to his people and say, hey, i staired down the united states, i stopped them from invading north korea. you know, once all that is over, then what? and that's where the hard work comes in. >> christiane, we have a digital dashboard question, and i think it's a good one. it comes from daniel. he says, do you think that kim jong-un is merely a puppet and the military leaders, derk of the officials of north korea? >> i think that's a really good question, one we have been trying to figure out. who is kim jong-un. and that is one of the big things the united states doesn't know. because no official from the united states has met with kim jong-un. no amount of third-hand snippets from diplomats in pyongyang is going to really stand in for what's vital. and that is some kind of knowledge from some kind of top u.s. envoy, not in the administration, maybe, but a top envoy who can talk to kim jong-un at some point. so, yes, that is the problem. they think, the experts, that he
is in charge. that he's actually test-fired several things over the last, you know, year or more that he's been in power. that he's shuffled around areas of the military, that he's made speeches on trying to, you know, improve the economy. that, yes, he probably has a good and solid relationship with his generals. and particularly with that famous uncle of his who we've heard so much about. >> it's interesting. i read someone from seoul say the farther one is from the korean peninsula, the more worry about recent developments there is. as a matter of fact, people come up on the subway today saying, gosh, what do you think is going to happen? what's this north korean guy going to do? are you seeing that in south korea, or as christiane said, is this business as usual? >> reporter: it is mainly business as usual. there is a bit more concern on the part of people who are visiting south korea, we're sensing a bit more concern. might be the best word to use. among international visitors. because the words they're using this time around are directed more towards the united states. to direct -- directly to
international visitors. that's where we see ratcheting up. but there is generally in the sense in the population overall the big question mark that christiane is talking about. what'sy going to do? and regardless of who is pulling the strings, what's happening here? the rules appear to have changed slightly. and the opinion of kim jong-un among the general population is very low here in south korea. they do not like him. the more this goes on, the more they just view him as an irresponsible man. >> christiane, thanks. kyung lah thanks. >> just ahead, a 360 exclusive that might change the way you think about existing gun laws. you're supposed to show i.d. and fill out a form when getting a weapon. instead, you'll see what our undercover camera saw, how some gun dealers are willing to sell weapons, including one similar to the one used in newtown with no i.d. also attention "360" exclusive, gabby giffords op
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tonight we go under cover to find out just how easy it is to purchase firearms, no questions asked, even no i.d. necessary in as little as 70 seconds. 70 seconds to pick up a weapon at a gun show that for all intents and purposes becomes untraceable the moment you bring it home. warren savage's exclusive is next. but there is news out of washington tonight, a bipartisan compromise in the senate, to expa expand federal background checks. pennsylvania representative pat toomey hammered out the deal with democrat joe manchin who
got emotional today talking with newtown families. >> i'm a parent. >> you got it. >> the debate on the issue may come up tomorrow. regardless, there are laws that already apply to gun shows, laws that an exclusive undercover investigation by our producers that shows are being broken. >> reporter: it's a simple idea. just how easily can you buy a gun at a gun show? so a cnn crew took a weekend drive. 600 miles with a pocket full of cash. hitting five gun shows in three states. tennessee, south carolina and georgia. first stop, he will ajay in north georgia, the venue small and selection limited. >> there weren't a lot of vendors, wasn't a lot of product for people to buy. >> reporter: next, the crew went north to kings port, tennessee for a saturday morning local gun
show held in a hotel convention center. it was a smith & wesson mp .45 caliber semiautomatic that first caught our producer's eye. asking price, $625. >> it's a nice one. it's not brand-spanking new, but -- make me an offer. >> cash and carry or do i have to pay for is it? >> cash and carry. >> reporter: but it's early and the team opts to keep looking. 10 to 20 minutes later, they circled back to the same table, negotiating for the same gun. >> $600 for that? >> this one? >> yes, box it up. >> it's a deal. no background check. it's not needed for a private sale. but the seller is legally required to check i.d., like a driver's license to make sure the buyer is not from out of state. in this case, no identification asked for, no paperwork, not even a question like, "what are
you going to do with it." in fact, neither the seller or buyer even used a first name. and if that's not surprising enough, listen to where the seller said he got the gun. >> got that off a police officer yesterday. >> really? >> yep. >> that's right. he got it from a police officer. >> any way you'd part with these for $1,000? >> reporter: it was so easy, the team decided to up the ante. >> probably not. is very, very new. >> reporter: this time they is he 2.9 millimeter semiautomatic handguns, glock 17s. asking price for the pair is $1100. the producer offers a flat 1,000 bucks. that's rejected. the next bid at 1050 prompts a phone call. >> let me see what he says. one of them is his and one of them is mine. >> reporter: in fact, in all of the detaials, the team paid les than the asking price. >> all right. we can do $1050. >> reporter: the producer boxes the guns in their carrying cases
and heads for the door. again, no names. no i.d., no paperwork. not even a receipt. total time of the gun show, 45 minutes. $1,650 spent. three semiautomatic handguns purchased. incidentally, because there's no paper trail, none of these weapons can ever be traced to the buyer. later, the same day in greenville, south carolina. and it's the biggest show of the five our team attended. after wandering the floor, our producer spots this gentleman carrying a semiautomatic rifle on his shoulder. asking price, $1200. >> the strap doesn't come with it. that's on my .22. i just moved it over. >> reporter: the bushmaster xm-15 is a semiautomatic only civilian version of the m-16 u.s. military rifle. first introduced in the vietnam war and still used by u.s.
troops today. >> do you have the case and stuff with you or out in the car? >> it's out in the car. i just didn't want to -- >> carry it all around? >> yeah, i brought it to a gun show a couple weeks ago, and -- in columbia, and the case, this big and bulky. and there were so many people in there, i kept banging people. and that's why i didn't bring it with me. >> 5.56? >> yeah. either one. the .223 or 5.56. >> any way you can go down 50 bucks? >> yeah. i can go down 50. >> all right. you want to walk out and i'll pay you? >> sure. >> let's do it. >> reporter: the seller takes our offer, $1150. from first conversation to settling on a price takes just 70 seconds. out in front of the convention center, the money is exchanged. and the rifle, complete with case, is handed over. our team walks away with a
variation of the same weapon used in the deadly sandy hook shooting. again, no questions asked. >> there's the case. there's the gun and there's the clip. >> great. >> all right. >> good. 8, 9, 10, 11, 50. >> okay. thank you very much. >> appreciate it. >> thank you. >> reporter: we should make clear, there were three instances. one in each state. where the team was asked for i.d. including during this potential sale in tennessee. >> where are you from? >> georgia. >> so i have to see a tennessee license. you have to have a tennessee license for a private dealer. you sure do. >> reporter: without proof of residency, the seller refuses the deal and our team walks away. our total weekend weapon haul is
three semiautomatic handguns with extra magazines and one semiautomatic rifle with a 30-round magazine. total spent, $2800. all done without showing any identification. without filling out a single form. not even so much as a name exchanged. the team now has a small arsenal, which can never be traced. martin savage, cnn, atlanta. >> we should point out we've turned the weapons over to cnn security to deal with. new research polling out today shows 86% approval for expanded background checks on would-be gun buyers. but gun sellers are willing to break existing laws in some cases. we wanted to get the national rifle association's take on the push for greater background checks. so joining me tonight, nra president, david keen. david, in the story we just saw, the producer very easily obtains those weapons at gun shows without showing any identification. it could have been a criminal, could have had a criminal background. why shouldn't he have to undergo
a background check to buy those weapons? >> well, if they're private sales, as you know, under the law, you don't have to. but private sales and gun shows are not the source, and the fbi has done many studies on this. and they're not really the source of guns for criminals. the current system doesn't work very well, and we think it needs to be fixed. >> my question is, somebody seeing that would -- might say, why shouldn't a person -- i mean, our producer could have been a criminal. you know, could have been anybody. nobody even asked for an i.d. why shouldn't he have -- why shouldn't he have to undergo a background check, whether it's a private sale, whether it was from a dealer? >> well, i think the question is, when you're dealing with fundamental rights, the question is, first of all, if you're going to put a burden and a restriction on those rights, what do you get from it? is there empirical evidence that while you say he might have been a criminal, is there empirical
evidence that a lot of criminals get firearms at gun shows? the answer to that question is there is not. >> but by your own admission. >> not a source. >> right. i understand. >> not a source of many firearms used in crimes. >> but by your own admission, the current background checks that exist have caught thousands of people, more than 10,000 people, who have lied on their background checks. and part of the point that the nra has made, and i think it's an effective point, is those people should be prosecuted for lying on the background checks. walk out the door. they're not being prosecuted. so why not extend background checks and just logic tell you, you would catch even more people lying and cheating? >> that would be true if, in fact, all of these people caught were lying and were criminals. many of those people were not prohibited. there were false-positives, as they call them. people that had their names confused with somebody else's. there were mistakes. the system didn't work very
well. because what we've suggested is that before you run, you ought to walk. >> i don't know what that means. >> before you start dumping millions of -- more transactions into this system, you ought to fix the system so it works. >> i just don't get the logic of saying, well, the system is not perfect. therefore, we should allow people to buy guns in all these other ways without checking who they are. i mean, again, in that piece, our producer could have been anybody with a criminal background and walk out with an arsenal of weapons that are not traceable. >> he could have walked out on the streets of washington, d.c. and bought a gun. >> well, not quite as easily. >> illegal guns are available, and there are people who will sell them to him. you know that and i know that and every criminal knows it. >> that's like saying a murderer doesn't obey murder laws we wouldn't have murder laws. >> we shouldn't worry. no, i'm not saying that. what you're saying is we shouldn't worry about the fact that all these people who have committed felonies are not being prosecuted. it isn't enough to say yes, it
should be ton. >> you're making my argument. >> it has the laws, it has the people, it's identified the criminals. it could prosecute them. instead of doing that, they say let's have another law. >> i don't understand why it's either/or. i don't understand why you can't do both. >> i think you do things in an orderly way. >> yeah, but when kids are dying and people are being shot needlessly and people being shot at a high rate, isn't time of the essence rather than trying to do things orderly? >> the thing we have talked about from the very beginning and all of this discussion is that if you're going to deal with gun crime, you deal with gun criminals. and if we're not dealing with them now, what makes us think if we pass another law that has tremendous effects on innocent people that we're going to prosecute more gun criminals? >> but how do you know everyone buying a gun at a gun show is an innocent person? how do you know everyone buying a gun from a relative is an innocent person or buying from a friend in the back of a car is an innocent person unless you do a background check. >> most private sales, there have been studies that show 3 or
4% are arms' length sales that you don't know. the kind of sales you showed there in your tape. most of them are, in fact, family. >> well, you know what, families sell guns -- >> friends. >> right. friends are stupid. >> are you suggesting -- >> yep. >> even the president of the united states -- even the president of the united states when he talked about universal background checks, was going to exempt families. you think they should be included as well. >> i don't know. i'm asking the question. but i'm asking the question for viewers who do believe that. i don't take a position on this one way or another. but if friends can sell their car to a friend and have to file paperwork for it, i guess my question is, why shouldn't that be done with guns as well? i know driving is not a right. >> i don't think that there is a constitutional amendment or part of the bill of rights that gives you a fundamental right to an automobile. >> david keene, always appreciate having you on. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> let us know what you think. follow me at twitter right now at anderson cooper.
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tonight's "360" exclusive. as we reported last night, gabby giffords and her husband mark kelly are not just watching the battle over gun regulations, they're fighting for expanded background checks through an organization they formed in january called americans for responsible solutions. the battle is, of course, deeply personal for both of them. more than two years ago, giffords was shot in the head at point blank range. she is still on a journey of recovery. she has come a long way for sure, but she has also had to face some tough new realities. giffords hasn't given many interviews. dana bash spent time at her home in arizona. here is part two of dana's exclusive interview. >> reporter: what's most shocking about gabby giffords now is how much she looks like
her old self. her golden locks are back. the sparkle in her eyes. her broad smile. the gabby giffords we knew before she was shot. gone is the short hair and thin frame we saw at the beginning of her recovery. but she knows she will never be the same. in your recovery process, do you want to find and discover the old gabby giffords, or do you want to sort of rediscover another new gabby giffords? >> stronger. stronger, better. tougher. stronger, better, tougher. >> reporter: being with giffords, it's immediately clear, she understands virtually everything going on around her. she follows conversation, reacts, offers unsolicited ideas. but it is still a huge struggle to turn her ideas and thoughts into words. like when trying to explain how she spends her days. >> occupational therapy.
yogurt. >> yoga. >> yoga. >> reporter: the right-handed giffords still has no use of her right hand. that arm is paralyzed. so is her right leg. she wears a brace and literally drags it with her good left leg to walk. she also doesn't see very well. how is your vision? >> not really -- >> reporter: not great. >> not great at all. >> so gabby's blind to the right side. right, in both eyes. >> both eyes. >> so she has no peripheral vision to the right at all. so she is looking at you. she can't see anything to the right of center. >> over there. >> yeah. >> but you can easily see how she and her husband, mark kelly, keep up her spirits. humor. >> which is good for me to like if i want to sneak up on her. >> reporter: you wouldn't do that, though, would you? >> oh, all the time. i'll come from that direction. you wouldn't want to come from this direction. >> reporter: for giffords and kelly, a retired astronaut and
space shuttle commander, this is the new normal. >> it's different in good ways, too. in a lot of good ways. >> reporter: like living and working together now. >> i'm just looking forward to making a change this fall. >> reporter: before she was shot, they had a commuter marriage. she jetted between her congressional district in tucson, arizona and worked in washington, d.c. he lived in houston, texas, where he worked at the space center. this is the first home they bought and live in together. another plus, before giffords was shot, she had a rocky relationship with kelly's two teenage daughters from a previous marriage. but the sort of tense relationship that you had with your daughters, that's changed. >> yes, changed. >> reporter: so that's a positive that has come out of this tragedy. >> a lot better. >> a lot better. >> they've also grown up a little bit too. and, you know, as a family, we've evolved, because of -- certainly, you know, because of what happened. but it's -- so it's brought us all closer together. >> reporter: giffords now fully
understands that six people died, and thirteen were injured because a deranged young man, jared loughner, set out to assassinate her. in fact, she brought him up unsolicited. >> loughner. >> reporter: kelly spoke at his sentencing as giffords sat st c stoically. to look at the man who shot you through the head, what was that like? >> beady eyes. >> well, yeah. he had -- some interesting expressions on his face. >> yes. >> and she did not look away. she stared him -- >> beady eyes. >> reporter: did he look back at you? >> yes, yes. yes. >> reporter: did you get a sense that there was any kind of remorse, any kind of understanding? of what he put you through and what he did to the six people who didn't survive?
>> i'm so sad. mentally ill. >> reporter: newly released court documents reveal that loughner's parents knew something was wrong. that he heard voices and exhibited other alarming behavior and they did not get him help. >> i'm curious. have you ever heard from his parents? >> no. >> no. >> reporter: would you want to? >> mmmm, not really. >> as a parent, you know, you certainly on one level can empathize with somebody who went through that where their kid just did this horrific thing. is he tame time, you know, there were indications of his mental illness. school knew about it, his parents knew about it. and he didn't have -- didn't seem to have a lot of options for good treatment. >> reporter: giffords suffered yet another tragedy a few months ago. her father, spencer, with whom she had a special bond, died suddenly. he taught her a lot about humor, strength and responsibility. handing her the keys to his tire
business when she was just 26 years old. >> you know it would make a difference. >> yes. >> reporter: giffords' grit and determination also comes from her mother, gloria, a force of nature, an artist whose home is in the middle of the desert, miles from civilization. you have to go off-road to get there. so many desert rocks that on the way home kelly got a flat tire. >> should lower the tire. >> reporter: he took this cell phone video of giffords, daughter of a tire salesman and expert tire-changer in her own right, out in the dark helping. >> i'm kind of concerned. >> reporter: her bond with her mother is tighter than ever. gloria giffords sat by her daughter's hospital bed for countless hours and plays a central role in giffords' recovery. and there may be a sliver of hope for giffords, now age 42, to have a child of her own. when she was shot, she was trying to get pregnant with fertility treatment. you were in the middle of ivf. hoping to have a baby. >> yeah. >> reporter: obviously, the challenges are quite different
now. >> yes. >> reporter: they still have two frozen embryos, but given giffords' injuries, they would likely have to use a surrogate. >> i don't know. >> you know, we talk about it. we talk about it. haven't made a decision. >> reporter: sure, giffords has her moments of frustration and anger. but that does not define her. not resentful? >> no, no. >> reporter: how is that possible? >> move ahead. move ahead. happy. >> reporter: you are happy. where does it come from? how do you keep this kind of optimism, given what you've been through and what you're still going through? >> i want to make the world a better place. i want to make the world a better place. >> dan abash joins me now. dana, you spent so much time with her. what would you find most interesting in observing her at home? >> reporter: i think probably the most interesting is that she clearly understands the conversation going around her. sometimes it's very fast-paced
conversation. and she krends everything, absorbs everything. and when she wants to engage, she can say something, as you just heard with one or two words. and she has found a way to express herself with those few words in a way you and i might use three sentences for. and it's kind of remarkable the way she has figured out how to do that. the other thing is that when she feels really comfortable, she will, if she wants to really say something or make a point, and she can't get her word in edge wise, she will put up her hand and the people around her know, okay, it's time to let her take her time to express what she wants to say. it's a struggle. there is no question about it. but the fact that she has a purpose, that she is focused on public policy again and politics with regard to new gun legislation, that does seem to be helping her with her progression. >> and you've got information about her coming to washington next week. >> reporter: that's right. she is going to be in washington next tuesday. which just happens to be when the senate is going to be knee-deep in debate on this gun legislation. it's a coincidence, she is going
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learning more about a hostage crisis that ended with an explosion 30 miles outside atlanta. david mattingly joins us with late details and audio from one of the firefighters before this came to a deadly conclusion. david, what's the latest? >> reporter: anderson, this all started out as a routine medical call. the firemen arrived on the scene, everything looked and seemed like they expected it to be. they took a gurney and their medical equipment inside the house, presumably to treat someone in medical distress. but that is not what they encountered. and just a few minutes later, this was heard over the radio, via scanner traffic. listen to what one of the firefighters was saying to his people back at the station. listen. >> we are in a situation where we have an armed person.
and he is requesting certain -- certain utilities to be turned back on at his house. suspect he is armed and we are in the room with him. >> reporter: very calm description of what was a very tense situation for those firemen. eventually one of them was let go to move the fire engine from in front of the man's house. but the four remained inside until the s.w.a.t. team came a short time ago. all four firemen are in good condition. they had some minor injuries from some of the explosive devices used in this operation. the man holding the gun on them was killed in the operation. we don't know if he was shot by officers or if he took his own life. but he also exchanged fire, shooting one of the officers in the hand. that is not a life-threatening injury. i spoke to someone who lives in
this neighborhood, someone who actually knew that man who lived in the house. we're not releasing his name at this point, because the officials are not doing so either. he was saying that he lived there by himself, that the house was in bad shape, it was very dirty inside. he said there was a lot of junk in the yard and he knew this because he cut the man's grass for three years. he said, though, in spite of the problems he seemed to be having, he never expected anything like this to happen. anderson? >> david, thanks very much. very busy nice. isha is here with the 360 news and business bulletin. >> reporter: at least people were injured in strong storms in northern arkansas tonight. the storms include a possible tornado. there are reports of overturned vehicles, including an 18-wheeler, and in van buren county, at least 20 homes, 1 business and 1 church were damaged. 20-year-old dylan quick, accused of injuring 14 people in a stabbing rampage at lone star college has been forthcoming with investigators. the sheriff's department says he told police he had fantasies of
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