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in the united states and around the world. you're in "the situation room." we are reporting live from boston right now. one suspect dead, another in custody, and entire city breathing a whole lot easier right now. but there's also an urgent search for answers in the boston marathon bombings. here are the latest developments unfolding right now. watertown's police chief tells me the suspects were armed with handguns, a rifle and at least six bombs, three of which exploded during the thursday night battle that ended with the death of tamerlan tsarnaev. his brother, the younger brother, was captured in watertown last night and he lies seriously wounded right now in a local hospital. a justice department official says he will face federal terrorism charges, possibly
state murder charges at the same time. we are learning the 19-year-old was at the university of massachusetts dartmouth, just south of boston, every day, yes, every day after the attack. late thursday, he attended classes as well as dorm parties. hard to believe, but that's what we are learning right now. in the tense final standoff, dzhokhar tsarnaev was hidden in a bo a boat parked in the watertown driveway of a resident covered by a tarp. a helicopter overhead was able to take what they call thermal images showing the movements inside that boat. joining us now is tom foreman, national security analyst, tom fuentes as well, assistant former director of the fbi. these thermal images, walk us through, tom, what was going on. >> we were just talking about this a moment ago, wolf, astonishing this is the boat
here, so you have a sense what we are talking about, nearby house, fence on this side. tom, you were saying in this picture, you can't see much in terms of anybody inside the boat, this picture is still very valuable. why? >> it is going to help you position your tactical people, your observers, sniper observers, bomb techs and any other things. this is being shot in video. we are only seeing the still picture. so, this is getting collected through the -- excuse me, a forward-looking infrared image willing system of the helicopter that system is then being beamed down to a tactical command post right outside this area, would be very close and the tactical on-scene commander around all the key component leaders, the evidence text, the bomb text, negotiators, observers, they would all be directed in their operation. >> watching where their team is and they are looking at. this when you see this image, this tells you undeniably, there is someone inside this boat, even though you can't see them with your naked eye. >> you can't see if the subject
is moving but it tells you that probably you have a live human being as opposed to duffel abortion something that would have cooled off through the night and been the same temperature or close to the same temperature as the boat itself or the surrounding area so, it's telling you that there's something very warm compared to the very cool boat. >> because it was moving video, as tom just noted here, they did know he was moving you can't tell from this picture, you noted, only 22 minutes past 7:00, roughly 22 minutes after the call came in that he was here. this gun fight had taken place. it is believed he was hit twice more in that process. then this starts happening, tom, these pictures are quite amazing here. what they brought in here, look carefully, there is a vehicle here that has a robotic arm that is reaching up here to the boat. tom, tell me what this is all about >>. >> normally in a situation like this you might consider sending a s.w.a.t. team operator up close and then feed a fiber optic lens line under that tarp to have it look around.
>> this was a little tube, not much to it, right? >> what your doctor uses to do an examination and got a little monitor around controls for the s.w.a.t. team member, that image would -- >> why wouldn't they do that here? >> he might have explosives. if you stir this guy, wake him up, say he is sleeping or unaware that your approaching, he may realize it and you don't want that. in this case, that's why they are using -- the same thing, they would have cameras and probes on the front of that robot. a tremendous amount of protection for them here? as you mentioned, the whole time, wolf, remember, as tom mentioned here, because they are getting this imaging, they weral imaging and other things, they can be positioning people, moving them in and making the team aware of where everyone else is you pointed off, tom if there were someone else here who didn't belong here coming up behind them, they can warn their team that there is a problem. >> yes. sometimes in situations like this you have somebody oftentimes going to be an enterprising reporter trying to sneak their way up there, that person might make a noise or do something or complicate the
situation that alerts the subject who may then come up, wake up, come out shooting. >> this is the picture that we got near the end there, wolf, this really is an astonishing, astonishing image if you look at it closely here. here you can see the feet of the suspect here, there's a console in the boat here and you see the rest of him, the head up in this area. at this point, tom, the understanding was that he was so wounded that he really was not able to fight any more. they were looking for any sort of movement what would be the determinant for you, if you were commanding a scene like this to say, okay, we are ready to take this guy? we are convinced he is not going to do anything? >> exactly what they did last night was textbook. say is he playing possum? do you go up there thinking he is wounded, unable to respond or endanger you, go up there to do it comes up shooting or pitching -- >> how do you a avoid this? >> this case, you get him to move, unless he is really unable to get him to move, stand up and
do what they did, lift his shirt and see exdoes he have explos e explosives -- have him do his own strip search to your satisfaction while you're he a safe distance away. >> amazing pictures here, tom. this is very much, ever since particularly the recent wars in this country, this has become very much the operational procedure for police departments all over the country? >> yeah, nationally here, the fbi, state police, many city police use this all the time, especially if a ruraleral area, it could be used with a missing child that may have wandered into the woods, at night, you can look down and see if you see an object moving around. sometimes it also is showing animals, deer, bear, other animals moving around, fugitive searches, missing persons searches, tactical operations like that it's invaluable. >> certainly worked in an extraordinary way as these images attest this time. wolf? >> excellent explanation, guys. thanks so much. police, meanwhile, are scouring the final crime scene where the surviving suspect was found hiding in that boat.
let's go to our national correspondent, susan candiotti, she is on the scene for us. what is the very latest, susan? >> reporter: hi, wolf. since last night, since the capture, the fbi has remained on the scene, as you said, collecting all the evidence they can find, not only from the boat itself but from the back of the house you can around the house, all kinds of areas back there. they are looking to see whether any, for example, any explosives were left behind, any bomb residue, did he leave behind any personal belongings, such as a phone? if he did, that could have a treasure trove of information but also trying to learn how long was he hiding inside that bolt and where did he go before he was there, trying to follow that trail. they have been at that time for hours and hours, don't know when they are going to complete it. until then, they have got that yellow crime scene tape set up. the shouse at the end of this block a little bit to the left. we know when he was captured, he didn't say much what watertown police chief told you. when he does and if he talks,
that, of course, could help decide the motive here. back to you, wolf. >> all right, susan, thanks very much. hasn't even been -- hard to believe, hasn't even been 24 hours since that dramatic final shootout that ended with tsarnaev's capture. we are watching all of this unfold minute by minute. cnn's brian todd and his crew, they were the only people on the scene only yards away as they brought us some amazing sounds and images and brian is joining us right now to tell us how it all played out. brian, you got very, very close. you were the only real non-law enforcement personnel as close to the scene as you managed to get, but tell us what you saw and what you heard. >> reporter: wolf we saw the final negotiations between the police and the suspect, just as this was playing out in its most dramatic moment, we have some new elements to show you from that final exchange. we got there just as it was all playing out, pretty much at the
very end. as he was cornered, happe corne tsarnaev, police say engaged with gunfire. it went on for several minutes and police lobbed in flash bang percussions to stun him. in the end, authorities showed their determination to capture the suspect alive. listen to officers negotiating with him as he is holed up inside a boat in a backyard in watertown. we snaked through alice and back lots to get to within a couple hundred yards of the boat. during negotiations, there was a word of reassurance. and an appeal to someone they knew was in pain. as we shot this exclusive video, police rushed us, saying we were in the crossfire zone. >> clear out, okay? come on, i said please. >> reporter: it was just minutes later that police captured tsarnaev. he had lost blood, was weakened.
the entire neighborhood had been on lock down, residents terrified as law enforcement went door to door. after the standoff, we spoke with neighbors. here on cypress street, this is one of the houses where police were combing through the neighborhood, looking for the suspect. this is eddie beck's house, he took us through what it was like when s.w.a.t. teams came through here. >> they came in. they searched the living room area, dining room, went through all the bedrooms, bathrooms, kitchen area, and -- >> searched cabinets and things like that? >> didn't go through cabinets or anything like that but they did go through all the bedrooms, closet doors, then made their way through the back here. >> reporter: beck shared his own footage of the s.w.a.t. teams combing through his house. during the homes they didn't know where tsarnaev was or whether he was carrying explosives on his body. beck got a chill just thinking about t. >> knowing that they had him sur rounded and so close to our neighborhood, it made us think that he might have been here at night time and they kind of flushed him out into that area.
>> reporter: vivian stevens also lives very close to the house where tsarnaev was cornered. how do you feel now that it's over? >> it's sur real i think i'm numb. i don't really feel -- i guess i can't believe all this has happened. i know it's happening, but actually -- i am very happy that it's over around they got him. >> reporter: a sentiment echoed by thousands of her neighbors in watertown. cheering police as they pulled out after the arrest. and we have one nugget of information for you about the final arrest. it was officers from the massachusetts bay transit authority police who put the handcuffs on dzhokhar tsarnaev at the very end. they were pleased to have a chance to do that because it was one of their officers who was shot and wounded during the pursuit of the two suspects, cz tsarnaev and his brother, late thursday night into friday morning here in watertown, wolf. >> what a dramatic moment it was indeed. brian todd in watertown for us,
excellent report. up next, the fbi was actually warned about one of the suspects by a foreign government. did the fbi drop the ball? we will have the very latest on an emerging controversy. also coming up, leading lawmakers, they are demanding that the surviving suspect be declared an enemy combatant of the united states. and an incredible account of how police tracked the suspects leading up to the bloody gun battle and the final standoff. my interview with the watertown police chief. that's coming up. llo! how sharp is your business security? can it help protect your people and property, while keeping out threats to your operations? it's not working! yes it is. welcome to tyco integrated security. with world-class monitoring centers and thousands of qualified technicians. we've got a personal passion to help your business run safer, smarter, and sharper. we are tyco integrated security. and we are sharper.
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a huge question remains right now, why would the suspects carry out such a horrific crime? one clue. we are learning that the fbi was, in fact, tipped off to the older brother a couple of years ago by a foreign government. let's bring in our crime and justice correspondent, joe johns. tell our viewers what happened, because this is pretty start ling, pretty specific information. >> it certainly is wolf, all about the interviews right now. the government hasn't said whether it's got an chance to interview the suspect they took into custody last night but what's getting so much attention is that fbi agents interviewed the suspect's brother two years ago and found nothing inkrim paying in the. -- incriminating. the if a act that tamerlan tsarnaev was interviewed by the
fbi two years before the bombings stirred up controversy before the chaos cleared in watertown. the republican chairman of the house homeland security committee -- >> if he was on the radar around they let him out of their sights, that's an issue, certainly for me. >> tsarnaev's contacts with the agency were made public by the man's mother, who suggested that agents had been harassing her son for years. >> they knew what my son was doing. they knew what action and what sites on the internet he was going. how could this happen? how could they -- they were following every step of him and telling today that this is a terrorist act. >> reporter: fbi only confirmed that in 2011, it interviewed the older brother and family members. it did not say how many times. it was at the request of an unspecified foreign government, reportedly russian intelligence. the fbi said the request was based on information that tsarnaev was a follower of radical islam, a strong
believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010. in response to the request, the fbi stays checked u.s. government databases looking for derogatory telephone communications, possible use of union line sites promoting radical activity u the fbi says it did not find any terrorism activity, gave the results to the foreign government that made the request and asked for but didn't get more information. then, they closed the file. >> they don't give you more, then everything that can be done has been done, unless you know that there should be more to the story. >> reporter: that interview came before travel records showed tsarnaev flew to moscow, staying in russia six months, returning to new york in july. it's not clear what he did there, but tsarnaev's father says his son was with him at all times. but when he got back, things were different. homeland security chairman mccall says he started putting radical jihadist material on youtube websites. >> what i'm very concerned about
when he went over there he very well may have been radicalize and trained by these chechen rebels who are the fiercest jihad warriors. >> reporter: but the dead suspect's uncle told cnn his radicalization began in the boston area. >> it started flight in cambridge. right there on the streets of cambridge. where this guy, this new convert is going to the local mosque on massachusetts avenue. so i'm saying it started there. le. >> reporter: the documents show no record of the younger brother, dzhokhar tsarnaev, leaving the country. and moments ago, it was confirmed to cnn's barbara starr was indeed russia that asked the fbi to look into the suspects' activities. wolf? >> so, russia was the country named by the fbi, the foreign country that specifically wand the fbi that maybe you should look into this older brother
could have serious issues there as far as extremist, if you will, now confirmed, joe, it was, in fact, russia that tipped off the fbi? >> that's correct. that country operates differently than this country. obviously, if the fbi had probable cause to look into this individual, they could get search warrants and a variety of other things but without that, there's only a limited amount of stuff you can do, wolf. >> joe johns reporting for us. thank you. some key lawmakers back in washington are pushing very hard right now for the surviving suspect to be treated as what they call an enemy combatant. joining us now jeffrey toobin, senior legal analyst. the 19-year-old has not been read his miranda rights. why does this matter what has it allowed for?
what is the issue here? >> a lot of variables here, the question is he in any kwan condition to answer questions with or without miranda? what is his health situation? also, even if he doesn't get miranda warnings, he may decline to answer questions in any case. they can't force him to answer questions, but if he does not receive miranda warnings and if he then anticipates questions those answers cannot be used in a criminal case against him. they can be used for intelligence gathering. they can be used if there are other conspirators who may be prosecuted, can't be used against him. other evidence can be used against him. may be lots of other evidence. if you don't get miranda warnings, your statements i can't be used against you. >> so this is a sensitive issue. another sensitive issue raised by republican senators, lindsey graham, kelly ayotte, peter
king, they released a statement, the suspect, based upon his actions, clearly is a good candidate for enemy combat tant status. we do not want the suspect to remain silent. we have concerns that limiting this investigation to 48 hours and exclusively relying on the public safety exception to miranda could very well be a national security mistake. is this realistic he would be named as an enemy combat talent, denying him rights even though's u.s. citizen, he was naturalized on september 11th of last year and he was arrested in the united states? >> no, this is a deep philosophical division between the obama administration and some of the republican -- sorry about this and what that means is the obama administration has said the criminal justice system can make this work, the criminal can handle national security
risks like this person, terrorists have been prosecuted, moussaoui. this administration is committed to using the american courts there are some critics, like senator mccain, like senator graham, who say that's too big a risk, that we have too many protection, we have too many abilities on the part of these defendants not to answer questions that put all of us at risk but i don't think there's any chance the obama administration is going to change its mind and use something other than the criminal justice system for this case. >> because a lot of people are raising questions, they had apparently some explosive devices, some weapons, rifles, hand grenades, stuff that's pretty expensive. where did they get this material? where did the money come from that helped them purchase this material? that's why some of these republican senators, lawmakers, are asking for this enemy combatant status. we will continue this conversation. i know it's going to be a subject of a big debate,
jeffrey. thanks very much. coming up here, the wild and chaotic search for the suspects. how police finally were able to track their movements via a cell phone. new information coming in. we also have brand-new details of the bloody gun battle that led to the death of one suspect. my dramatic interview with the police chief of watertown. that's next. their cars. ted is trying to get a hold of his insurance agent. maxwell is not. he's on geico.com setting up an appointment with an adjuster. ted is now on hold with his insurance company. maxwell is not and just confirmed a 5:30 time for tuesday. ted, is still waiting. yes! maxwell is out and about... with ted's now ex-girlfriend. wheeeee! whoo! later ted! online claims appointments. just a click away on geico.com. that's next. that's next. ñe
welcome back, happening now, a riveting moment-by-moment account of the operation that led to the capture of suspect number two, as we haven't heard before. my interview with the police chief behind it all. that's coming up. cnn's exclusive interview from russia with the father of both suspects. why he says his sons were never, ever, his words, never, ever involved in the attacks.
and boston's team spirit returning. one red sox player's shocking tribute to the city and unforgettable celebrity surprise at fenway park. that is all coming up. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we reporting live from boston now, let's turn to the frantic search for the suspects a trail of violence that led to fatal gun battle right in the streets. i spoke earlier with the watertown police chief, ed da vo. thanks, chief, for coming n >> pleasure to be here. >> never experienced anything. how many years have you been a cop? >> 30 years. >> never experienced anything like this? >> absolutely not. >> when did you realize that this was going down, that you had a second suspect?
>> we it was late in the day. we asked our citizens to be vigilant. >> a person called and said there is a guy in this boat in my backyard and looks like there's blood there pick up the story. >> i want to talk about what happened the night before. >> i'll get to that in a second. pick up the -- >> at that point, we had a couple thousand police officers on scene. the turnout was just incredible, the support that we got from the state and from the region we did take our time to make sure everybody was safe in the neighborhood, eventually, we had to use some flash bangs to render the subject -- >> tell our viewers what a flash bang is? >> a compression that will stun somebody for a short time. we began negotiations, slowly august 15 to 20-minute period, we were able to get him to stand
up and show us that he didn't have a device on him. >> so he is lying in this boat, he has been there for several hours, he is wounded, clearly, right, he is bleeding? >> right. >> he is obviously weak. you come over there and what do you say to him? you have a bull horn and start saying come up with your hands up? >> we have a negotiator, actually on the second floor of the house looking down at the boat. >> could you see him? >> no, we couldn't see, there was a plastic tarp over them, but we had the state police helicopter that could tell us when there was movement in the boat by the heat sensor so we could tell he was alive and moving. we began negotiations that way. over a long period of time, we were finally able to get him to surrender without anybody -- anybody hurt. >> he didn't use any more gunfire [ inaudible ] he exchanged gunfire with officers
and no more gunfire after that. >> what kind of weapon did he have? >> we are not sure that crime scene is still live there, that boat, the fbi crime scene search is there now, we haven't got into that boat, we don't know what's in that boat the. >> the fbi in charge of it? >> yes. >> did he have an explosive vest on his body like his brother the night before? >> that is our concern. we needed him to lift his chest up, his shirt up to see his chest, felt comfortable to send some people in to take him into custody. >> did he do that? >> eventually, over a long period of time, 20 to 30 minutes, got him to do that. >> no explosives with him in the boat, as far as you know? >> on his person. we haven't got into that boat. it is a decent size boat, we don't know what else is in there. >> who did the negotiations, who did the talking with him? >> that would have been the fbi task force. >> he raised up his shirt, he showed he wasn't wearing an explosive device and then what happened?
>> we felt comfortable enough to send some officer to tain tacti equipment to go and grab him out of the boat, he needed first aid, he was transported by ambulance to a boston hospital. >> what were the nature of the injuries? i understand they were sustained the night before with his older brother [ inaudible ] [ sirens ] walk us through that. >> a very hectic night, so much heroics in a lot of different police departments, but i just want to give credit to the men and women of the watertown police department. what had happened was there was an assassination of an m.i.t. police officer. >> you believe by these two brothers? >> yes. >> why would they want to kill
this police officer? >> that's still under investigation. he was responding to just a loud disturbance call and next, you know that happens. >> was it on the campus at m.i.t. or this event store? >>. >> i believe it was on campus. they fled, a carjacking, then somehow, some reason, ended up coming to watertown and that's where our officers engaged the two of them. >> pick up the story. so they are in a hijacked car. they had hijacked the car, tee took the driver and then let the driver go after the driver supposedly went to the atm, gave them some money, right? >> some money withdrawn from his atm and so what happened when watertown, one of our first police officer, we are getting information based on pinging the cell phone, that he is in watertown. so we kind of know what streets he's on. >> wait a second, so, tsarnaev was using his own personal --
>> no the victim's cell phones. >> in other words, let the victim go blacked to the victims they were the bombers of the marathon? >> that's what i understand. said we did the boston marathon bombing and we killed a police officer. >> explain why they let the driver go the man they hijacked? >> no. >> thank god they did. >> lucky for him. lucky for thanks his cell phone remained in that vehicle so we were able to get updates. so, now, it's about 12:30 in the morning down a residential street in watertown everybody is sleeping, sleepy neighborhood, officers seize two vehicles, two blower in two different cars, including the car that was hijacked. he calls, notifies our station, we do all the proper procedure, do not engage the car, let's get you some more backup and before the backup could even get there the two cars stopped, they jump out of the car and unload on our police officers. >> when you say unload, what do you -- >> they came out shooting.
>> shooting what? >> handguns and a long arm in the law. we are not sure, still piecing that together. he is under direct fire, very close by. he has to jam it in reverse and try to get himself a little distance. >> the younger brother? >> my police officer. so the two brothers are shooting at my first police officer that responded and now, within seconds, i have two or three other police officers that pull up. we had just finished shift so two off-duty officers on their way home heard the call. so, i have six police officers in this very tight area engaged in gun fight. we estimate there was over 200 shots fired over a ten -- five to t10-minute period. >> we learned how police tracked the suspects' location after they carjacked a man. more with the police chief, edward deveau, when we come back. and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town.
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with the watertown, massachusetts, police chief, edward deveau. he is telling us about the bloody gun battle thursday night that left one of the suspects dead. >> we had pipe bombs and explosives. during the exchange something got thrown at my police officers and we now find out it's exact bomb that blew up at the marathon on monday. >> pressure cooker? >> we find the pressure cooker embedded in the car down the street. there's a major explosion during this gunfight of my -- six of my officers that i'm extremely proud of. heroic. my heart is out to the m.i.t. officer and his family but how the watertown police aren't attending a funeral of our own based on what happened on that street over that period of time is just talent, guts and glory that my officers did.
>> luck too that nobody was killed, none of your officers. >> right. so there was that major explosive. two other grenades that came at our officers. >> were they hand grenades? >> they were lighting something and throwing them and they were exploding them. we called them hand grenades but they are very rough devices. two other ones didn't explode, but our officers nearby could have exploded at any other time and now so that's what my officers have done. at the same time, the whole greater boston area is rushing to watertown. they're on the radio saying watertown is in deep trouble. shots fired. >> this is shortly after midnight. >> yes. so everybody is coming and they were able to come to us, but the gunfight was over by the time people got there except for a couple police officers from the transit. >> walk us through what happened. the older brother, he's wounded, right? he's thrown out of the car and there are reports that the younger brother drove away and drove over his brother, is that right? >> well, eventually, yes. that's exactly what happened.
what happened was, at some point, the first brother who died at the scene, he, all of a sudden, comes out from undercover and starts walking down the street shooting at our police officers, trying to get closer. my closest police officer is five to ten feet away and they're exchanging gunfire between them and he runs out of ammunition, the bad guy. and so one of my police officers comes off the side and tackles him in the street and we're trying to get him handcuffed. there's two or three police officers handcuffing him in the street. >> the older brother? >> the older brother. at the same time, at the last minute, they have tunnel vision. very, very stressful situation. one of them yells, "look out." here comes the black suv, the carjacked car, directly at them. they dive out of the way and he runs over his brother and drags him a short distance down the street. >> in effect killing his brother? >> yes. that's what we think. >> the 19-year-old is then driving this car and he escapes? >> exactly.
>> you pursue? >> at the same time, one of the transit officers that came behind our officers, we realize he's been shot and hit in the groin and has serious bleeding going on. one of my police officers, who is an emt, rendered him aid, along with his partner from the transit authority and they deserve all kinds of credit for saving that gentleman's life. our prayers are still with him and the family because he's in a tough way. he lost a lot of blood at the scene but we hope he can make a recovery. >> how did the younger one escape? >> he drove off. there's still gunfire. he got down two or three streets. we were in pursuit of him, along with other officers from surrounding communities that are coming in, and he dumps the car and runs into the darkness of the streets. >> that's it? >> then we lost contact with him. >> he's in watertown some place. he's running. you have no idea if he's armed and if he has explosives, but he's gone. >> we're assuming that he has explosives and that he has weapons.
>> this is now about 1:00 in the morning? >> right, just before 1:00. >> that's when you begin this massive manhunt? >> right. >> you take the older brother to the hospital. he's pronounced dead at the hospital? >> right. >> what else did you find there? what other types of weapons and explosives, hand grenades, pipe bombs, what else did you find? >> handguns there. long-armed rifle. three bombs that exploded is my understanding. there's two that weren't detonated and then the car that he bailed out of, i know there was at least one other explosive device in that car that they didn't use. there was at least six bombs they had if you will. . before we wrap up, i want to say the support we have gotten at the boston police department, watertown police department, support from local law enforcement acres cross the country, across the world so many people reaching out us to, the streets of watertown were lined with people as we left the scene. it was just so moving to see the support we have and i just want to thank the people of watertown, the greater boston
area and across the country of the support that we've got opinion. >> police chief, hey, thanks for your excellent work. thanks for what you did. we really appreciate it not only here in the boston area, but nationally, indeed, around the world. people are watching all over the world right now. we really appreciate what i have a done. >> thank you very much. i really appreciate it. >> thanks for bringing this to an end. and this just coming in, we are getting a new photo into cnn, on the right, take a look at this it shows the m.i.t. police officer, sean collier, who was killed thursday night in the shootout with the two suspects. on the left is the mbta officer, richard donahue, who was seriously injured. the two men, it turns out, graduated from the police academy together. just ahead, an exclusive interview with the suspect's father. he tells cnn why he doesn't believe his two sons are the boston bombers. a confident re. those dreams have taken a beating lately.
cnn's nick peyton walsh is in dagestan, in russia, where the suspect's father lives, and he spoke exclusively with him. let's go to nick for the very latest. >> reporter: drove past his apartment here twice today, seemingly trying to avoid those waiting for him outside. the third time he stopped, a woman got out of his car, went into the apartment to collect a bag answered waited outside, giving us an opportunity to approach him and ask him some questions. cnn. i'm so sorry. we just wanted to hear your story. i know it's a very difficult time for you. we just want to give you the chance to tell people how you feel about this.
we just feel -- we haven't had a chance to properly hear all you have to say about the terrible >> my kids never did anything. >> sir, your sons didn't do this? are you going to america? you will forgive me, sir, i know it is a difficult time for you, i'm just trying to do my job. >> sorry. >> i understand. when is the last time you spoke to him? >> sunday morning. that's it. >> have you been in touch with special services here? what did they have to say to you? okay, i understand. a different man from the father yesterday, now faced with
pictures suggesting his second son, younger son, has in fact been arrested and wounded. televised globally. angry it seems at a situation, disbelief, continuing i think the denials don't stop questions from going away. above all, a parent facing possible questions about his two sons accused of the most heinous of crimes. wolf? >> nick paton walsh reporting from dagestan in russia. coming up, the uncle of the suspects. first called both of them losers, today seems to have a change of heart. his emotional interview with cnn next. operty, while keeping out threats to your operations? it's not working! yes it is. welcome to tyco integrated security. with world-class monitoring centers and thousands of qualified technicians.
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welcome back. i'm wolf blitzer reporting live from boston. the uncle of the suspects who spoke out yesterday calling them losers seemed to have a bit of a change of heart today. he sat down with shannon travis in suburban maryland, and when asked whether he would be willing to help his younger nephew dzhokhar now that he has been captured, he got very emotional. >> yes. i will certainly help him. first i'll try to help him to relieve himself, relieve himself again, maybe i'll just repeat it again and again, by seeking forgiveness from those that are suffering and anything else he would need, yes. just a starting.
he was child, now turned into young man, but he has no idea what life is. all he's seeing is this little place in norfolk street. and that's pretty much it. that's it. yes, i would help him. >> the uncle's message to dzhokhar, tell the authorities everything you know. when we come back, did you know that suspect number one, the older brother, had a wife and a daughter? we have a statement from the family. that's just coming in. and the final showdown in a suburban driveway. how police got high tech help tracking the suspect hidden in a boat under a tarp. all of that coming up. ñe
two people you haven't heard much about in all these late-breaking developments, the 24-year-old wife of suspect number one, tamerlan tsarnaev and their three-year-old daughter. her family issued a statement saying this. i'll read it to you. our daughter has lost her husband today, the father of her child. we cannot begin to comprehend how this horrible tragedy occurred. in the aftermath of the patriots's day horror we know we never knew tapper lynn tsarnaev. our hearts are sick end by the
knowledge of the horror he has inflicted. please respect our family's privacy in this difficult time. the suspect hospitalized under armed guard now. we are learning new details of his final dramatic gunbattle with police. also, the investigation into possible terror ties and the mysterious six month trip one brother made to russia. plus boston strong. how the city is bouncing back after five truly extraordinary days. i'm wolf blitzer in boston. we want to welcome viewers in the united states and around the world. you're in "the situation room." boston's five day ordeal is over, but the investigation into the two brothers suspected of being behind it is only just beginning. each our is bringing new details and more information. here are some of the latest
developments we are following now. police released the thermal images that led them to 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev, lying wounded and bleeding in a boat behind a boston home. a senior cnn official tells us russia asked the fbi two years ago to investigate the other suspect, 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev who died in a shootout with police. the father of the suspects tells cnn he plans to come to the united states from the russian republic of dagestan. he says he doesn't believe his sons were involved in the boston marathon bombings. let's dig a little deeper into the thermal images right now that led police to dzhokhar tsarnaev. cnn's tom foreman has a closer look. walk us through the thermal images to tell us how it works, tom. >> you know, wolf, these are really an extraordinary testament to the tenacity and
the technology that officers brought to bear in this search for the suspects out here, particularly the final suspect. bear in mind what was going on all day yesterday. what they were doing was create ago cordon off around watertown, not let him slip away. 7:00, wasn't sure he was there or not. as they shut down the restriction that kept people inside, a man walked out, saw the boat tarp was torn, saw blood on it, saw a person inside and everything changed. we zoom into the neighborhood because that's what hundreds of police officers did, rushing in to set up a line of defense around it while they rushed people away. then, wolf, they brought in the technology. going to demonstrate what we are talking about with this small model. they brought in a thermal imaging helicopter. it can look to the ground and measure anything that's hot down there and see anything giving off any heat, including a human being in a boat in a backyard like that one there.
this is what they saw. they had an image of someone in the back of that boat, just as the witness had suspected, and the person was moving around. while all we have are still images, they had real time video that told them when someone was moving in the back of that boat. a gun fight ensued. there were injuries to him, i believe he was hit two more times, threw flash bang grenades there and everything got quiet as negotiators tried to talk to him. what happened next? they brought in more technology, had a robotic arm so they could reach out to him. two hours, then they brought in thermal imaging one more time. this is what they saw in the final image. they were able to see he was collapsed, feet here to the left, head to the right, had him stand up, show that he had no weapons. too weak to resist any more, and the arrest, wolf, was finally
made. >> what a dramatic moment that was, tom foreman, thank you. we are also getting brand new information into cnn now on the condition of the 19-year-old suspect. our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is outside the beth israel deaconess hospital, medical center in boston. elizabeth, what are you learning? >> reporter: wolf, governor deval patrick said earlier today that the suspect, this is a quote from the governor, i think is not able to communicate yet. i think not able to communicate yet. that's really important, wolf, because legal sources tell me you cannot arraign someone that's enable to communicate. right now, there's no rush here, no rush to arraign him. he's in there, he's not going anywhere. right now, they have to put that process on hold until he is able to communicate. wolf? >> what's the security like there at the hospital? it must be pretty intense,
elizabeth? >> reporter: it is pretty intense. we've got five police officers just at this one entrance, there are several entrances to the hospital. i have spoken to doctors in other cities that worked before with suspects, with inmates. they say that they think he is probably handcuffed to the bed, a guard at each side, guard at the hospital door. >> elizabeth cohen is at the hospital for us. thank you. we are learning more about the two brothers and the early signs that brought one of them to the fbi's attention some two years ago. jake tapper, anchor of cnn's the lead takes a closer look at the brothers' alleged path to terror. >> wasn't much to him. >> just a regular, normal kid if you will. >> he came off like, you know, any other high school kid. >> two mondays ago he seemed fine. >> reporter: but one monday ago, one of them began to unravel. they killed four people this
week, maimed scores more. here is what we know about them now. nearly a decade before monday's bombings, the brothers and their family, mom, dad, two sisters, came to the u.s. from dagestan. >> my youngest was raised in america, and my oldest son, he is like really, really great in our house. >> but that son, tamerlan, killed in a shootout early friday morning would never live to become a naturalized citizen here. his younger brother, dzhokhar, now in federal custody, gained his u.s. citizenship last year on september 11th to be exact. a decade in america already, i want out, said a tweet from an account registered to him. friends say he appeared to live a content life. >> he was just a quiet guy. >> bad driver, that's pretty much it. >> reporter: as late as thursday afternoon, this week, the same day the fbi released his photograph, dzhokhar was on
campus, attending classes. even going to parties in the dorms, according to a university official. shockingly normal behavior from a college student who raised few flags. >> no signs of what you would see from a terrorist profile, you know, not a loner, had a good group of friends. >> tamerlan had a profile of a different sort. on its website, the fbi received information from a foreign country in 2011, that in the fbi's words he was a follower of radical islam and strong believer and that he changed drastically since 2010. we now know that country was russia and at russia's request, the fbi interviewed tamerlan, but apparently found so cause for concern. >> tamerlan got involved in the
religion, five years ago. he never told me that he would be like on the side of jihad. he was controlled by fbi like for five -- three, five years. they knew what my son was doing. >> the aspiring boxer was arrested in 2009 for domestic abuse. in years following, he quit school, wed a woman named katherine russell, and became a father. his wife's family releasing this statement. our daughter has lost her husband today, the father of her child. we cannot begin to comprehend how this horrible tragedy occurred. in the aftermath of the patriot's day horror, we know that we never really knew tamerlan tsarnaev. his uncle also in shock. >> he decided to take lives of innocent people, hurt innocent people. i may believe he has been full of evil, maybe he has been himself as evil, he turned to be
an evil, even if there's speculation that there was some political views, no, there were no political views. i say there were no political based on what i know about him. and i know about that family. >> reporter: their russian father tells cnn he will fly to the u.s. in response to his younger son's capture. >> are you going to america? >> yes. >> reporter: despite his astonishment, family is still family. seems the 19-year-old that police say did the unthinkable will still get help from his uncle. >> first i'll try to help him to relieve himself by seeking forgiveness from those who he put in suffering, and anything else he would need. >> that report from jake tapper. coming up, possible ties to terror groups, we dig deeper into tamerlan tsarnaev's
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with the manhunt for the two bombing suspects now over, the hunt for intelligence on what might have led them to this point is on, significantly on. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr has been investigating. what are you learning, barbara? >> reporter: did the men have extremist connections to chechnya? vladimir putin is calling for, quote, contact between russian and american investigators. their uncle told cnn he believes others must have influenced tamerlan. >> who are mentors of all of it. and how possibly could he get
involved and do this harm to innocent people. >> reporter: senior u.s. officials tell cnn so far there's no solid evidence of a direct link between the brothers and international terrorist groups, but the u.s. is assembling a web of information about their movement and who they communicated with. it starts back in 2011. the fbi was asked then by russia to check out tamerlan tsarnaev because that country thought he was a follower of radical islam and a strong believer and that he had changed drastically. the fbi interviewed him and checked its databases, but found no evidence of communication with radical groups. the other government didn't provide more information even when asked. last year, tamerlan made a six month trip to russia to visit his family, his father says. the u.s. wants to know did he travel somewhere else? communicate with radical islamic groups in chechnya, or even get
training in bomb making? after returning home, he created this youtube channel, including videos with radical preachers. there is no way to be sure if he posted the material himself. >> i think what you're seeing with this particular phenomenon is with this particular attack in boston is a self radicalization process that's occurred as two young men tried to figure out who they are. >> reporter: but just one problem. how did the brothers learn to make and detonate two bombs almost simultaneously, something that is not easy to do? >> either practice in the united states or training elsewhere or perhaps both. >> reporter: look, you can read a so-called recipe online about how to make a bomb, but these two men made and detonated two bombs, nearly simultaneously, not an easy thing to do, and with no prior experience. some say it begs a question if they did have help and from who.
wolf? >> barbara starr, thank you. all right. we're just getting this in from brian todd. the first pictures of the boat and tarp where the 19-year-old suspect was actually found bloodied last night. let's take a look at the tape. >> reporter: officers converged on the scene in the dramatic moments friday night. you see it now, fairly large boat, red and white in color, still an active crime scene. agents are going to be combing over it probably quite some time. brian todd, cnn, watertown, massachusetts. >> there's the boat. let's bring in our national security analyst, peter bergen. peter, we are seeing the boat, that's the boat where he was found bloodied. as the police chief of watertown told me, he raised his shirt
after 20 minute negotiation with the fbi when he finally gave himself up, raised his shirt to show he was not wearing some sort of vest that could have had a bomb in it, suicide bomb or anything along those lines. dramatic picture of the boat. let's talk about his older brother who died the night before. he made that six month trip to russia where he went to dagestan. we believe he went to chechnya as well. how significant do you believe that six month visit to russia was? >> i think it is quite significant, wolf. picking up on what barbara said in her piece, we have people come to the united states trained in bomb making, faisal shahzad, tried to blow up a bomb on may 1st, 2010. even with training didn't pull it off. so the idea that somebody without practice or training could pull off two simultaneous
bombings defies common sense. the trip to russia reminds me a tiny bit of the trip that was made, naturalized citizen, moved to queens, he was planning to blow up bombs in manhattan subway in 2009. got training on the trip to pakistan in roughly a year before he planned to pull it off. luckily he didn't succeed. so this trip to russia is clearly something that investigators will look at with great interest, and also, you know, were there practice runs in this country because it is one thing to get training in another country, but you want to be sure the devices are something you could pull off here. they would also be looking for mysterious, unexplained explosions in the period leading up to the actual attacks. >> what you're saying, he may have done a dress rehearsal. the other question that's very much out there, peter, is where did he get the money, where did
they get the money to buy the explosives, the weapons, the guns, the hand grenades, if they did have training, who trained these individuals. to think there are only two people involved in this, that may be a little misleading, don't you think? >> certainly on the training issue i agree. on the buying of these types of things, i mean, terrorism is a fairly inexpensive form of warfare. 9/11 was expensive to organize a couple hundred thousand dollars. the london bombings in 2005, cost about $8,000 and was basically paid for by the people themselves using credit cards. and my guess is we'll see something fairly similar here, or potentially also mavy hav have engaged in petty crime, did so during the course of the attack, see that pattern in other kinds of attacks. >> maybe that's where they came up with the money, who knows. i am sure the investigation is
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welcome back. i am wolf blitzer in boston. while the terror attacks here in boston certainly dominated the national conversation this week, there were some significant political stories unfolding in washington as well. let's bring in our chief political analyst, gloria borger. you have a terrific panel there. >> i do. >> take it away. update viewers on what's going on. >> thanks, wolf, thanks for all your hard work in boston this week, we really appreciate it. we do not even know the motives of these men yet or how the suspect in custody is going to be charged, but this being washington, the political fallout and even the second guessing around here is already starting. as wolf said, i am here with a great panel. before we get to them, if you watch the president carefully, it was a very revealing week for him as we went through this
crisis. let's take a look. >> make no mistake, we will get to the bottom of this and we will find out who did this, we'll find out why they did this. this was a heinous and cowardly act and given what we now know about what took place, the fbi is investigating it as an act of terrorism. any time bombs are used to target innocent civilians it is an act of terror. your resolve is the greatest rebuke to whoever committed this heinous act. if they sought to intimidate us, to terrorize us, to shake us from those values that deval described, values that make us who we are as americans, well, it should be pretty clear by now that they picked the wrong city to do it. whatever hateful agenda drove these men to such heinous acts will not, cannot prevail.
whatever they thought they could ultimately achieve, they've already failed. they failed because the people of boston refused to be intimidated. they failed because as americans we refuse to be terrorized. >> jessica, you were at the white house every day during this crisis, beginning of the week, the president did not use the word terror. by the end of the week, he was talking about the people in boston who had been terrorized. lift the veil. what are calculations at the white house as it chooses its words, and when the president should appear in this situation? >> after their clumsy public response to the terror attacks in benghazi, they're very careful how they react to these kinds of things. they've had some trouble over the years. first they were really criticized after they waited three days to react to the underwear bomber. then after fort hood shooting, the president came out quickly, didn't call it terror.
after bin laden, they came out, shared a lot of detail, got some of it wrong. they keep recalibrating, messing up different ways. this time his response was quick, decision was to be quick, frequent, and very cautious, especially when to use the word terror. they didn't use it three hours after the attack, and went quickly as soon as they were sure. >> some people say they were too cautious not using terror. obviously it was a terror attack. >> there was different information coming back and forth, wanted to be sure. i am not being partisan here. i am offering rather clinical assessment on it. i will also offer clinical assessment in that the president was very -- he was at his best, i think the white house communications team was at its best when they were methodical through the week. most of the focus began, shifted back to law enforcement and looking for the suspects. and there wasn't a political play here. i think everybody on capitol hill took a step back, showed
unity with boston. >> that's a rarity. >> it is a rarity, right? i think folks have taken -- i think folks did make an effort to offer a very methodical level of communication from the white house. and i think that helped the situation. >> look, i think we forget how important a president is in stuff like these moments that bring americans together. we can get in the weeds and start nitpicking, but overall, you saw the president, cudos, reagan was good at this, bill clinton was i would argue up until this moment the master of the heal er in chief, he overcae bill clinton. speaking to values, speaking to exceptionalism and rallying around boston. i thought it was brilliant. the white house has been clumsy dealing with some of these issues as you said. him personally as president as healer in chief, he was
remarkable. >> one other point. the public doesn't look at these things through a political lens as we in washington do. we are quick to automatically assess the politics. the public wanted to find suspects and now want justice. not looking at it through politics and policy. >> the truth of the matter is law enforcement here was unbelievable, did a fabulous job. here we are at the end of the week, and you have the suspect in custody, but dana, you know this from capitol hill, the questions are already how are we going to treat this suspect, is he going to be an enemy combatant, did the fbi miss a red flag. >> that's why i said it is already over. it did last more than 12 minutes, so that's actually a record. but yeah. already before we came on the air, saw a press release from the senate armed services chairman carl levin saying he shouldn't be tried as enemy combatant, there's no legal basis. the reason is you have the
reaction that anybody that follows politics or washington for more than five minutes knows, john mccain, lindsey gram, kelly ayotte, the three amigos on these issues coming out saying don't do anything to mess up the national security importance of this. don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably see the rand pauls, the far right come around and defend his rights and vice versa, but this is something that we saw fought
over time and time again when george bush was president. ironically, three republican senators or at least the two, mccain and graham were defending the liberal point of view saying don't torture. >> the argument, should the suspect be treated as part of al qaeda and taliban basically. it was authorization for use of force. the question is does it even apply? >> right. >> and will it matter. and then the other question you're going to get to is if we had been warned by the russians of all people i might add about one of these suspects or the bomber that was killed, why didn't we red flag it, why didn't we pay more attention. so let me bottom line it around the table. the question is what's going to cause the administration the most heartburn next week. >> the questions are going to be why didn't the fbi raise a red flag about these guys earlier if
they had notice from russia. >> these are existing differences. i don't think there's much to sway those that believe he should be defined enemy combatant, and not much to dissuade the white house's mind. there's a lot we don't know. >> do you know what the white house is going to do, they're not going to do enemy combatant, that's for sure. >> we don't know. they're in the 48 hour window right now. >> what's going to cause some heartburn. >> i don't think anything. celebration, we caught the bad guys. >> and there's a lot of should a, could a, would a. peter cane and others saying write a letter to robert mueller saying we want to know what's the deal, why didn't you question the guy, what are the circumstances. >> that's their job. >> like you said, clap, clap, clap, we caught him. there's political danger, law enforcement now are the heroes. don't want to second guess them
too much. >> we don't know what we don't know. >> we will leave that. up next, any other week, this story would have been the lead. >> all in all, this was a pretty shameful day for washington. >> the president lost a very big fight on gun control. so the question we now have, can he save it and how? and outside of washington, there was a smaller, much smaller political story, but it was pretty interesting. a messy divorce, a charge of trespassing, and a former governor's political fate is on the line. you're in, that's the business we're in with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises.
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this week, the white house lost a big one. a bipartisan effort to expand background checks on guns and the president, if you listen here, was openly disdainful of congress, including some of his own democrats. >> the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. they claimed it would create some big brother gun registry, even though the bill did the opposite. this legislation, in fact, outlawed any registry. plain and simple, right there in the text. but that didn't matter. and unfortunately this pattern of spreading untruths about this legislation served a purpose, because those lies upset an intense minority of gun owners, and that in turn intimidated a lot of senators. so all in all, this was a pretty shameful day for washington. but this effort is not over.
i want to make clear to the american people we can still bring about meaningful changes that reduce gun violence so long as the american people don't give up on it. even without congress, my administration will keep doing what it can to protect more of our communities. >> cornell, you're a professional democrat, 90% of the american public said they wanted some form of gun control, expanded background checks, very, very popular. what does that say about the president of the united states for whom you worked that he could not get this done? >> well, the president actually doesn't have a vote in congress. >> he has a certain amount of -- >> no, he doesn't have a vote in congress. he has a bully pull pet.
when you have 90%, depending what poll, 80 to 90% of americans wanting this, you have some republican, mostly republicans blocking, a couple of democrats, the president was nonpartisan in this. look, republicans, democrat, whoever you are, look, if you're standing in the way, there's going to be a political price for this. i am hoping, straight political guy on this, i am hoping this will be an issue in the next election the way terrorism was for george bush the republican in 2004. >> i think it is an issue republicans worry about. i talk to others that say there's no play. the next play is the 2014 mid terms. >> the politics of gun control on second amendment are different than any national poll will lead you to believe. it is something that goes state by state. i learned that from one gloria borger. >> i'll make the point, all the
people up for re-election on the republican side voted against expanded background checks except for one. >> red state democrats had a hard time voting against constituents in their states. that was the reason the bill didn't pass. one last point, real quick. this is a second amendment issue. that means it is a bill of rights issue. it is going to take a lot of time and effort to change the law on such an important issue. >> there's no registry continue. >> the president didn't touch this issue for four years. it is not going to get done in six months. >> but can i break it down, answer the question. you make an excellent point about conservative democrats. break it down. four democrats crossed party lines. three are up for re-election in 2014 in red states. let's be honest here. the president, if he wants democrats to retain control of the senate, did not want them to vote in a way that could jeopardize their seats.
>> hold on. >> mark bag itch going to alaska saying i voted for any gun control could put him in the cross hairs, excuse me, of republicans, could jeopardize him, and this way he gets to go home and argue i voted against the president. >> this is a legacy issue for the president, don't you think? what it comes down to, members of congress can't take more than one tough vote in a congressional session, so they have immigration reform, they've got guns, lots of them had to take a position on same-sex marriage, and they can't summon -- >> i'm sorry, guys, when something is 90% support, it is not a state by state issue, it is not. 90% support is not a partisan issue. >> it is obviously. >> well, look, there's also democrats in red states took a hard vote like sarah landrieu
from louisiana. you have to look at the constituency. this is going top a top tier issue this election. >> how about the rest of his agenda? >> i think it is not necessarily going to affect the agenda yet. because the american people were with him on this, it doesn't show he is a weak president. we will see what happens with immigration. the difference is the first term he picked issues he knew he could win. here he picked an issue he cared about. >> he was handed this issue. he didn't pick it. >> he never touched it for four years because he knew it would be political peril in his own re-election, and he never had the coalition or support or rapport with folks on capitol hill that he needs to get something this big done. i will agree with cornell it is a bipartisan issue. i think mark pryor summed it up saying i am not voting with what a group tells me to vote about, i vote what constituents tell me to vote about. that's why a democrat in a red
state voted against it. >> bottom line it. >> i am going against the grain. i don't think it is a huge 2014 issue because i think that the politics are what they are, and it has to be a big 2014 issue if people want it to stand out. the other thing, for it to change, talked to somebody very smart on this today, president has to do what he did on health care. bring in the gun manufacturers, say let's make a deal. i'm going to protect you. >> will he do it? >> gun manufacturers in to make a deal sickens me to my stomach. if democrats let republicans off the hook going into mid term elections, shame on them. >> will they do it? you said it is an issue. >> won't get done with this congress, we need a new congress to get it done. >> i don't believe we will see any more. >> he will bring it up continuously before then, nothing gets done. >> political issue. >> he can do some executive orders. >> i forgot where it turns out. i think he is going to continue
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uncovered because so many more important things were going on in the world. but we're talking about the ongoing soap opera of south carolina governor mark sand ford who wants a congressional seat. explain to us the entire political establishment has now abandoned the man they were supporting a week ago. what happened? i'll try to do this justice. former governor mark sanford running for congress in south carolina who has proven to have a small problem with the truth in the past. >> why are you pointing to me? you ear the sweet heart of a husband. it has now been rereeled that she violated court ordered for trespassing on his ex-wife's property for two years. >> to watch the -- >> with his gun allegedly that's his version, that's his story. we have to keep in piend this is the ex-wife who he publicly humiliated by hike hiking the
appalachian trail with his arch tinnian girlfriend gl violation of court orders. >> in the ex-wife could have had the congressional seat at hello if she had wanted to run for it. >> the republican establishment is no longer backing his candidacy. >> this is my favorite quote from the campaign committee, mark sanford has proven he knows what it takes to win elections. at this time the nrc will not be engaged in the election. he can do it on his own. >> the nrc in the end here is going to have the last laugh. if he wins, he wins. if he loses, it's a special election, theyer ieng go to get another candidate and a better candidate and they'll get the seat back without investing a whole bunch -- >> aren't there better candidates? he won the primary he was in. i work for the congressional
society tis. we would support a blind dog if he was going to support nancy pelosi. the fact that they're pulling out says something about the numbers. they know something about the numbers that we don't know and what's going on. >> can i bottom line this? yes >> this is election for everybody. if you decide you want to resurrect your plit school year and bring your soul meat/fiancee and have her sit next to you, you probably shouldn't make your ex-wife mad. >> win or lose? sanford. >> i'm clear. i'm not going to bet. >> i think he's going to lose this one. special election. >> i think he's got a good shot of winning. >> it's a plus-ten district. he's still got a chance of winning. doesn't make it to the election. >> and will jenny sanfordp