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it's 10:00 here on the east coast. a string of tornadoes in the midwest and a mess in chicago. tens of millions of americans are now in the path of a monstrous storm like this one that could be building as we speak. could have very strong winds, hurricane damage for mile after mile. later, what happens to the three young women that ariel castro kept in chains? tornadoes, fire and a rare storm threatening 1 in 5 americans. they're facing the possibility of a weather system called a durecho. >> let's back you up to june of last year. this was the classic durecho that we've seen in our lifetime. this one came out of chicago,
about the same area that this one could have come out of. so far we're still waiting for this lineup of storms. this the 2:00 in the afternoon on that day. by 3:00, 4:00, 5:00, we had winds of 81 miles per hour along this line. think of this like a wind bulldozer, just shoving the air out of its way. the storm was moving about 40, 50 miles per hour, and then wind gusts in those storms, 30 or 40 miles per hour on top of that. so all of this, trees were towned for miles. 50 miles, 100 miles wide and trees everywhere, all knocked down in that direction. what do we have tonight? not quite this just yet. we don't have that lineup of weather. what we do have, at least for
right here along chicago, is a little bit of a line, but it's more of an east-west, not that north-south like we need to make that. that's great news. even the severe storms forecasted saying they're not so confident right now that this durecho is going to happen. what i'm confident is that these storms will fire all night long. we're going to have weather. we're going to have thunder and lightning. damage up here chicago to columbus. then the possible damage is all the way down toward the tidewater where you see all of these storms that will eventually continue to run in the same direction. what they would really love to have is some rain in colorado. the pictures we see across colorado of these wildfires have just been horrible.
our victor blackwell is out there and he'll bring this later. but winds 20, 40 miles per hour, relative humidity about 10%, and we're just not getting any recovery at all tomorrow. flames will be out of control one more time. anderson? >> we'll check in with victor blackwell later on in the program tonight. new revelations to tell you about from edward snowden, the former nsa contractor turned leaker, saying the agency has been hacking into computers in hong kong and the chinese mainland for years. he says he'll stay in hong kong to
of covert agents as a way of arguing for my arrest and prosecution inside the united states for the crime of doing journalism. it's bad enough to call for that. it's extraordinarily menacing that he did so based on a falsehood, the idea that i threatened that. i did not, more would i ever. >> i'm assuming he's combined two different statements. one made by snowden, one by you. snowden has said "i had access to full rosters of the entire intelligence community and undercover assets around the world." you said in an interview, "we're going to have a lot more significant revelations that have not yet been heard over the next several weeks and months." but that's not saying anything about what peter king has said. just for the record, are any of the revelations that may be coming, that you may release, are any of them the identities of cia personnel or agents in the field?
>> no. and when mr. snowden said what it is that you quoted him as saying, he was doing so in the context of answering the accusation, which i asked him about, that he was trying to harm national security. his point was look, if my goal were to harm national security or endanger americans, there are all kinds of things i could have done but did not and would never do. >> do you think king is making that up or just mistaken? >> you know, the last thing i would try and do is read the mind in what goes on internally in the swamp of peter king's brain. i know he has a history of all kind of radical statements. he himself was a supporter of terrorism when it was done by the i.r.a. so i don't know if he just decided to make that up or hallucinated or what. but what i do know is that the claims he made on national television about me were utterly and completely false and very serious charges that i think he
ought to be held accountable for. you can't just go on national television and call for the arrest and prosecution of a journalist and tell outright falsehoods when doing it. >> i should reiterate, we've contacted his office and have not heard back. king also says you should be prosecuted because of what you've already published, saying it puts american lives at risk. do you believe that at all? i was going back and searching. when wikileaks released huge amounts of information, a lot of people said they had blood on their hands. but then u.s. officials privately admitted to people in congress, even publicly, that even though the revelations were embarrassing or a problem, that they couldn't name anyone who had lost their lives because of it. so now when people are saying you have put american lives at risk, do you believe that at all? >> no. and anderson, that point you just made, in my opinion, it's really the crucial point for nibble listening to takeaway.
every single time the american government has things that they've made in secret, exposed or revealed to the world and they're embarrassed by it, the tactic that they use is to try and scare people into believing that they have to overlook what they've done. they have to trust american officials to exercise power in the dark. that their security and safety depend on political officials. i think it's the supreme obligation of every journalist and citizen when they hear an american official say this story about generalizing national security, to ask what exactly it is that have jeopardized national security. if you look at the story we reported, we were careful to never disclose anything that could ever harm national security. >> the flipside is, what do you say to those that say the government does need to be able to act in secret at times, that there are people that want to attack this country. >> nobody doubts that the
government has the right to keep some secrets and we are keeping some secrets. we're not disclosing the technical means by which the nsa spies on people. we're not disclosing the names of people to whom the spying has been directed. what the government doesn't have the right to do is to implement policies that affect the world in which we live, and the kind of country that we are, without any accountability or transparency. >> snowden said that the nsa has been hacking computers in china since 2009. he showed the newspaper documents to support the claim. but the paper says it couldn't independently verify them. does that line up with what he told you, or can you say? >> he was very clear about the fact as the u.s. goes around the world threatening and warning people about the dangers of cyber attacks, that the u.s. is one of the most prolific, if not one of the most prolific perpetrators of signer warfare.
it's particularly notable, because it's china that the u.s. has directed those accusations at most. yet the u.s., according to snowden and these documents, is very active into hacking into chinese research facilities, universities and businesses. >> glenn greenwald, thank you. let's dig deeper than this. john, you saw what snowden says in that interview. does the u.s. government really have any idea where he is at this point? >> i think they have a pretty good idea. this is the kind of thing that not yesterday or the day before, but at the very beginning of this, fbi headquarters would have likely called the fbi legal attache office in hong kong where they have a number of agents and said hey, could you acquire this guy?
meaning could you put eyes on him, and please keep eyes on while we put together some charge that might fit within the extradition treaty. >> how concerned do you think the u.s. should be that he could share classified information with the chinese? >> i think very concerned on some level. number one, hong kong is attached to mainland china. they have a semi autonomous government, but semi. they have an extradition deal with the united states. but this is the kind of thing that would be of high interest to the people's republic of china, and here's an individual who is feeling vulnerable, looking for asylum and has a bag full of secrets and a head full of more. between the chinese and russians, any number of places might want to talk to him and offer him comfort. >> snowden is accused of hacking the chinese. the state department said there's a difference between what china is doing to the u.s.,
which is going after financial information, what they described as sicyber attacks, and what th u.s. is doing, essentially going after bad guys. does that wash with you? >> all governments hack at all other governments. that's what spy agencies do. they spy. but the chinese are the only government, that to my knowledge, believes it is permissible not to -- you know, the people's republic of china hacking into u.s. defense websites and infrastructure, china is the only place to think it's okay to hack into commercial enterprises for commercial gain. in other words, they will hack into all of the government things that everybody else is hacking into. but then they'll hack into corporate america and they will steal. steal technology, steal trade secrets, steal research that's half done. steal completed projects, patented things.
china just takes the general posture when it comes to signer thievery that we don't have time to invent all these things. it's better to take them off of somebody's servers. that's a dirty little secret, but everybody in the cyber world knows that and we've seen it come out in some of the latest reports, from the government and from the private people who look at computers. >> over the years, the amount of spying china does on the u.s. would surprise a lot of people. >> anderson, there is a building filled with hundreds of people's liberation army cyber experts that work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. that is a full-time job there. >> i want to switch gears to a story you broke a couple of days ago, a potential scandal brewing at the state department.
what exactly did you find? >> so what we found was, there was an inspector general's assessment of dss, the diplomatic security service. anderson, that's the people who are providing security details for the secretary of state and ambassadors overseas. but they also do criminal investigations. but they also investigate wrong doing among state department employees. basically, the inspector general found there were a number of agents that they interviewed who said, my investigations go fine until they go towards scandal, then they're cut off or interfered with. so we had accounts from agents who staid i was told i couldn't interview the two main people. another said, i was told i only had three days to do the investigation. which is absurd. we knew of one that said i was assigned to investigate this ambassador overseas, then i got an order to cease and desist and to take what i had so far and put it in a memo.
so they put that in a memorandum, then in a draft of the report. but in the final report that was published, not much of that was in there. >> so what happens now? >> so what happens now is, the inspector general has said let's review these cases, and they've brought in -- to answer the state's department concern, these are inspectors doing a management assessment on whether a division is running right. so they said they can't assess whether a criminal investigation is going directly. so they brought in professional investigators from other agencies and said, review these cases and a few more, and give us an assessment, was there tampering, was there undue influence, or anything swept under the rug? >> john miller, thanks. follow on twitter and just ahead. breaking news on a little girl,
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than 12 from getting adult donor lungs no matter how sick the child is. it's a life and death issue because pediatric donor lungs are so rare. last week a federal judge intervened and sarah was put on the adult waiting list. when sarah heard about the ruling, she cheered, listen. >> wooo, wooo, wooo. >> it has been a very tough battle for this little girl. she has cystic fibrosis. her condition declined sharply, got even worse over the weekend. jason carroll joins me. you're outside the hospital where sarah got out of the surgery. what do you know about how things went? >> i can tell you her father and mother have seen her and she seems to be doing remarkably well. we're hearing she's in good condition, heavily sedated. she's still intubated. we're hearing that tube will not come out of her throat for another 48 hours or so. the surgery, anderson, lasted about six hours and we'll told
through a family spokesperson that doctors had no special challenges in resizing the lung to fit into sarah's chest. just before we went to air, anderson, we got a bit of a statement here from the family. i'll read it in part because it does provide a little more detail. it says sarah is in the process of getting settled in the icu and now her recovery begins. it will be a long road but we're not going for easy, we're going for possible and an organ donor has made this possible for her. obviously, she still has a long road ahead of her. there is always the risk of infection and the organ being rejected but she took a very major step today. anderson? >> you spoke to the family before the surgery, correct? >> yes, yeah, and as you can imagine, at that point their emotions were sort of all over the place. you know, they had found out last night that the donor had come in, and once sarah was in surgery, i asked if we could speak a little bit about what they were feeling, and the one point they wanted to make was about the person that made this
day possible. >> they don't tell you anything. i mean, but that donor is her hero, our hero of this story. but she wouldn't have had access to that hero, if it weren't for the change. this is a low bar transplant, this is an adult donor, this is lungs she wouldn't have had the opportunity to have access to just two weeks ago. >> the other point she wanted to make is not just this person was a hero but they are hoping that there will be a change for the system to help children not just sarah, but the other child who you know of, anderson, that 11-year-old was also waiting for a lung transplant and other children, as well, now that there is a change to the national policy. >> i didn't realize about these different lists. we appreciate that. we wish sarah and her family the best. she was a very sick little girl and has a challenging road ahead. our chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta joins us now. a lung transplant, how difficult and complex of a surgery is that and how difficult is the recovery?
>> the operation can depend, as you just heard from her mom there. this was what's known as a low bar transplant. so instead of transplanting the whole adult lung, they took specific lobes of the lung. this is usually just because of a size issue. so you take particular lobes of the lung and size them and make them fit, and you heard in the statement there that that part of the operation went pretty smoothly. from sort of beginning of the operation to the end, it was about six hours so that's pretty typical, in terms of the length of these operations. so it kounlds like that one is straightforward. she'll have the breathing tube in. over the longer run, this is a girl who still has cystic fibrosis and will need medication to suppression her immune system to not develop infections and reject the lungs. there is several phases to the recovery. >> is it true she'll require another transplant in the future since adult lungs won't grow as
she grows? >> the bigger concern is more the concern ant rejek shup. -- rejection. that might necessitate a future transplant. sometimes even these lungs, even though it's just the lobe of the lung they can expand to a certain extent. you remember not too long ago, anderson, the new pope is living without a lobe of his long. so it is possible people can live with a smaller lung but the larger concern for sarah is the rejection of these lungs and that could possibly lead to another transplant. >> can you explain why there are different lists? is there is a good reason behind that? >> ideally, what you try to do is create situations where the people that need the transplant the most are matched up with the people that will benefit the most from those transplants. that may sound rather obvious will you not always the sickest people in general, the people that will benefit the most in these transplants. with kids and these transplants, they are not that common.
they don't happen very often. a couple hundred over the last several years. they had this somewhat arbitrary cutoff of 12 years old, saying above that they can be on the adult list and below that, i think there is not enough data for people under the age of 12. >> sanjay appreciate that. thanks. we wish sarah and her family the best. >> you can find her story at cnn.com. more breaking news tonight. fire out west and one fire is growing larger, moving in two directions at once. we'll take you to the fire lines. >> also, later, ariel castro pleading not guilty for holding three women captive for years. it's hard to imagine what the victims are going through. we'll talk to a therapist that helped treat jaycee dugard after her captivity. we'll talk to her ahead. how can i help you? oh, you're real? you know i'm real!
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and the winds have not stopped gusting. victor blackwell joins us with the latest. what is the latest victor? >> reporter: the latest is the number of homes damaged, up to 97. 92 of them a total loss and 8,000 acres burned. we got a number of people affected by this mandatory evacuation, that has grown overnight and throughout the day. 10,000 people impacted by that. 150 commercial entities. i want to show you what we've seen all day, this cloud of white grayish ash and puffs of dark smoke, something unnatural is burning, many of them homes. many of the people evacuated are in red cross shelters, hotels. it's very difficult to get a room, or they are with friends and family. anderson? >> even a prison was evacuated, right? >> yeah, a prison was evacuated, but we have to start this with telling you that there are five
fires here in colorado. this is the black forest fire. there are three to the north and one about 55 miles southwest in canyon city. that is the royal gorge fire and there is the centennial corrections facility near there. as a precaution, they evacuated the prison. 905 low to medium security inmates, many of them special needs, were sent to other facilities overnight. all of them safe. anderson? >> in terms of firefighters, they do have enough on the ground? >> reporter: the exact number we're getting from the sheriff, 487, but there are more people coming tomorrow and throughout the week to try to control this. also, we know that nearby pilots from fort carson are working on this and the national guard here working also in a support role blocking roads. there are people driving around trying to get photographs or to check on their homes to find out
if their home is still standing. >> incredible to see that home there. victor, stay safe, there is more. randy with the 360 bullet. the james whitey bulger trial got underway today in boston. prosecutors said he was a hands on killer. he's accused of 19 murders and other charges. he denies the charges and being an fbi informant. the 83-year-old was captured two years ago. police in turkey again used tear gas in clashes with protesters today. but the situation does not seem to be as violent as last night in istanbul. an official says the government will not accept protests to continue forever and urging demonstrators to leave the park. fema is denying a request to declare the town of west texas a major disaster area after that explosion in a fertilizer plant. texas officials accuse president
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last month after one of them made a break and called to a neighbor for help. cnn's pamela brown was in the courtroom and joins us now. what exactly was it like in the court today? he didn't say anything. how did he appear? >> reporter: you're right, anderson. he walked in. he walked in, looked despondent, devoid of emotion. he kept his head down the entire time. he didn't make eye contact with anyone, not his attorneys, not the judge. in fact, anderson, it appeared he had his eyes closed during the entire arraignment. his attorneys entered a plea on his behalf and as you said, he didn't say anything at all. it was a very quick arraignment. it only lasted about a minute. >> the three women asked for privacy and it seems like reporter haves given it to them. you did speak to the victims' personal attorney. what did he tell you? >> reporter: i just spoke to him a little bit ago. jim wooly is his name and he said that the women want this to be over, and they want it to be over quickly. he said they have no desire to
testify in the trial, and he said that at this point no one wants this to go to trial. the ball is in the prosecution's court. pressure is mounting on the prosecution to negotiate a plea deal and essentially take that aggravated murder charge and obviously, the death penalty off the table so that a deal can be negotiated. >> so it sounds like that lawyer is saying a plea deal would be acceptable to his clients? >> reporter: absolutely. the women's attorney made it clear he wants a plea deal to be reached and today, the defense attorney of ariel castro made it clear that he wants a plea deal to be negotiated, so as i said, the ball is really in the prosecution's court, and the prosecution also has a vested interest for a deal to be reached. prosecution wants what is best for these victims. the prosecution wants to protect the victims but at the same time it's a balancing act. they want to make sure justice is served and ariel castro faces the maximum penalty and i spoke to legal experts and we're learning it will be difficult
for the prosecution to pursue the death penalty for the aggravated murder charge. there's really no legal precedent here. and also, the prosecution has to have both forensic and medical evidence to show that not only michelle knight was pregnant during that time frame but castro caused the termination of her pregnancy and that's a tall order there. >> it's impossible for us to imagine what they went through and are going through trying to reclaim their lives. jaycee dugard certainly knows, as well. she was kidnapped when she was just 11 years old. she was held for 18 years and was forced to live in a hidden compound of tarps and sheds and gave birth to two kids. she was rescued in 2009. today she's in her 30s and helping other victims through the foundation she's created. her therapist guided dugard helping her to reconnect with her family, help her to rebuild her life. she's the author of safe kids,
smart parents and done ground breaking research on what these kid haves faced. thank you for being with us. i talked to sean hornbeck taken as a child a short time after these women were released and he said this is something that happened to him. it's not who he is, and he does not want to be defined by what somebody else did to him. is that something you hear a lot from victims? >> absolutely. and it's such a healthy response because it's time, for example, these young women, i don't want to speculate too much on what their situation is, but they have given enough time to that man, and it's time for them to be able to move forward, so yes, yes, absolutely. >> how do you -- again, i'm not a big fan of speculation, either but in general how do you help somebody move forward? the process of trusting, of reintegrating with the family? i mean there is so many different aspects.
>> you know, so many of the responses to that sound so simplistic because it really is one step at a time. one step at a time slowly. allow them to guide you in the process. we know from the department of justice study that the national center did back with them back in 1991 that there is such a variety of what families need. there is some givens like privacy like these families are getting but step at a time. >> there is also the range of emotions that somebody goes through. i mean, anger to i would imagine anger to certainly their captor but also their families in some cases and -- i mean, is talking about -- i've seen in different studies some say talking about something can help it and others say it sort of relives the trama. should families kind of hold back and let the person talk on their own time?
>> well, it's sort of a twofold answer. one is it -- one of the ways that we work with people is using animal therapy with a program that i have because -- >> horses -- >> horses and dogs and -- because part of it is being able to get people out of the words, some people do need to talk about it, some people don't. but the most important thing you also said was about families and the individual difference, and every time i talk, i always want to bring it back to the siblings, because the siblings in these families are affected as much as the central victim in very, very different ways. so i love that you're acknowledging the range of differences. so we really need to keep that in mind when we're looking, because i don't know all the parties and families of these victims. but i know that they have all been affected and will have different responses. >> it is incredible to me and i've seen it time and time again what people can survive and what they can rebuild a life from.
>> and that's why i'm out, out here doing this. this is why i wrote this book with my sister based on the incredible strength that terry and jaycee demonstrated so that it never ever happens again, but i am so on the band wagon of resilience and flexibility and encouraging and helping people to teach their children to be flexible and resilience. >> you can teach it? >> i absolutely believe it. there is studies about talking about resilient or flexibility gene but i believe it. there is a man named george that has done a lot of studies on the ability of being able to develop -- help develop that in people. you've got to listen to the individual differences of the people in front of you and the needs when you work with any sort of trauma. >> i know you've probably been asked this a million times and it's a question that always gets asked and i heard a lot of answers to it and yet, people still don't understand it and
understandably so, it's a complicated thing. what makes somebody stay in a situation that maybe they have an opportunity at times to get out of? i mean, what is it? >> that's another -- you're hitting questions true to my heart. the press called stockholm syndrome. there are variables you see across the bored. frankly, there is about four or five that frequently show up. we like to -- and when i see we, those of us who work in the trenches with these guys and like to call it adaptation process. >> adaptation process. >> adaptation process because you adapt to survive and the human spirit is incredibly strong, and the human will to -- and i get so passionate so excuse me. the human will to live and go through an adverse situation is such an incredible, incredible -- >> we seen in the holocaust, in any situation, it's a desire to survive.
>> you know, when you talk to jaycee who has taught me this one thing she -- when we talk about her story and she'll say yeah but what about the prisoner of war or what about mendella and it's true. we call it adaptation. you have to adapt. it's actually incredibly condescending to assume these people fall in love with their captors. in fact, it's one of the most condescending thing you can do. >> to me, that's an important thing, the idea that you can survive pretty much anything, given the right circumstances, given the right makeup and that's an empowering thing. >> that's what this book, safe kids smart parents. what we're trying to say when something horrible like an abduction happens, which is rare, but teaching your kids to deal with all sorts of situations like icky coaches, that's the word i use. folks like -- or situations,
give them the skills to be able to use critical thinking, problem solving to get out of a situation. >> yeah. rebecca bailee, thank you very much. coming up, the 360 follow on the pennsylvania mom that left her family behind. she resurfaced in florida. an update on what is happening to brenda heist. next. ready?
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detained at an airport because of his cane -- it looks like a light saber. isha was telling the story, then this happened. >> the tsa says the unusual ways of the cane got an officer's attention and that the passenger and the light saber cane were cleared to travel within five minutes. i always wanted a light saber. >> that's chubaka. >> was that your chubaka? >> no? just give me the light saber. >> have you ever seen "star wars?" my chubaka imitation was bad, hers was the worst ever. this is what chubaka sounds like. just for comparison, this is what chubaka actually sounds like. let's hear isha again. pitiful. i happen to think mine was maybe a little more realistic. pretty lame. look, it's lame. i would have said that her
chubaka was lacking because of the british accent but the guy who plays chubaka is from england. also like isha, he's over seven feet tall. didn't know that about isha, did you? he and his wife on cnn's "starting point" talking about the incident. >> i'm a big guy, therefore i need a heavy cane. >> you do know, you just told chubaka he can't have his life saber cane at which time i think her eyes maybe got a little big. i don't know. our job is to see to it that people have a good time. >> that's what we're here for. >> if the wooky arrives in a foul mood, nobody will have a good time. i promise. >> they took everything in stride and left everyone with a rally nice message. >> travel in peace. >> leave it to the master, that is the sound of the real chubaka. for laughs, let's here isha
again. sad. got to work on your wookie, isha cope keep practicing and may the force be with you on "ridicu-list." the man who leaked information about the nsa's surveillance program says he did it to safe guard privacy and liberty. today the director of that agency testified that that program foiled dozens of terrorist attacks. question we are asking tonight is the tradeoff worth it to americans. pope francis seems to admit there is a gay lobby working within the vatican. does he see it as a threat. and her family fought the system and won. a young girl gets the lung that could save her life. let's go "outfront." ♪ good to be with you.