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we learned the original recipe for happiness. cross it off the bucket list on theory di ry diidiculist. theory di ry diidiculist. "piers morgan live" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- there is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. the jailbreak in arkansas, the whole thing caught on dramatic tape and also in arkansas, a small town teaches, no secret how i feel about that. an awful idea. but we'll hear from both sides on the grill tonight. i'll talk to a woman who has strong feelings about that and the bradley manning verdict and male pop tillations badly. quit isn't the way we roll in new york city. we fight through tough things. we're a tough city. >> tonight star jones on scandals high and low. wait until you hear about what she says about sydney leather's
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interview. the crazy thing about anthony wiener is the guy never met you face-to-face. >> never. >> you had to say this guy is one sick puppy, right? >> totally after the first scandal already happened. >> here with me is star jones, attorney, and national spokesperson for the national association for professional women. star, welcome back. >> so glad to be here. >> anthony weiner. >> oh, please. >> where do we start? it's so bizarre. >> you know, he's one tick away from being a complete perv to be honest f. you look on the continuing. he likes young girls, as a matter of fact and doesn't like to be in the room with them but by himself talking to young girls. it's just something really ill about it. i wanted to stop laughing because you don't laugh at people who are sick, so now you start to analyze it. >> what is odd is the utter
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shamelessness and the new video he posted on his website where he's just cracking on. watch this. >> i know that there are newspaper editors and other politicians that say boy, i wish that guy weiner would quit. they don't know new york. they certainly don't know me. quit isn't the way we roll in new york city. >> okay. he's annoying, excuse me. the first thing is stop putting yourself in the category of us new yorkers. >> every new yorkers out there frantically texting pictures of his weaner to -- >> and tonight put us in -- don't put yourself in the category of people like our first responders who don't know how to quit. don't put yourself in the category of people who show up and go to your house when it's on fire, to police officers to teachers who are there in these schools and neighborhoods that nobody wants to walk through. those are the new yorkers that don't quit, not the ones that
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don't know what it's time to say good-bye and go. that anonoys me, that adds the master of the universal mentality. he was no a distinguished congressman and now he's a new revitalized anthony wiener, i'm the one that will save new york. please, go back to where you were. >> are there people in new york, bit of a naughty boy makes him interesting, kennedy, aiz womanizer in history, maybe they think that leads to it. >> the names you mentioned had a record before, during and after their so called scandals. it just identified to me something anthony weiner accomplished. he's a big mouth wonderful speaking. he can generate a lot of fire in a crowd. he can make people feel like
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they can fly. >> yeah. >> that's good for a southern peacher, okay? that's what we used to do down at church in north carolina. we can make everybody get the holy spirit. can you get my infrastructure together in new york? that's whey caat i care about. >> does it really matter, he seems to be content what happened and says i really have stopped now. does he really matter to the average new yorker? if this guy is really the best guy to sort out the economy, for example? >> double h you believe him whe said he stopped? because he said that before. >> he's hard to believe. >> when somebody tells you who they are, i tend to believe them. he said he has this illness while he's compelled where his pregnant wife is somewhere else so-called try putting your marriage back together he's compelled to get on a phone and compute we are a woman he does not know, who is just shy of being a kid herself, and send
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pictures of his private parts and use language that quite frankly, a man and a woman only in a very intimate sexual encounter should be using with each other -- >> where does it leave hillary clinton? >> annoyed beyond belief i got to belief. i'm been a for hillary clinton and i have to imagine someone like hillary clinton who accomplished for than even her dreams probably could have taken her, every single time one of these politicians behave badly, all of the past stuff that she and her husband have, obviously worked through, gets thrown back in her face. she's seeing pictures of monica lewinsky all over again. >> right. >> the president has to relive a mad wife because no matter what wife says i got through it, we've gotten through it, it's the last thing you want to do is
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be reminded of it regularly and in someways it paints her with a brush of, oh, she stood by her man. that's okay. every wife can make that choice. >> here is the problem. listen to another clip from the sydney leathers interview with howard stern. she's one of the texting, sexting partners that anthony weiner selected. listen to what he said. >> started to fizzle out, and i just kind of stopped answering phone calls and he would get really mad at me and be a jerk when i didn't answer my phone every single time he called. >> how -- >> like a boy -- >> this needily little [ bleep ] boy basically. >> a needy teenage boy. it's pathetic. >> it's a lack of core values. each and every one of us has inside us those things, if you deliver ups or the president of the united states, if you have certain core values, you're going to act a certain way, integrity, charter, judgment, service, responsibility, those
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kinds of core values, they speak to who you are as a person and who you will be as a professional. if anthony wienee weiner cannot the judgment, loyalty to his family that is necessary, what makes you think he would be the right person to lead the city on new york? >> i had an interview last night and i wanted to talk to you because it was about george zimmerman and guns and with a gentleman called ken hanson from the buckingham farms that raised $12,000 to let george zimmerman have more guns. listen to what he had to say to me. what if trayvon martin's older brother is walking in the same area and george zimmerman is passing, finds him suspicious again like trayvon, decides to engage him in the treat, and decides to shoot him, as well? where does that leave you if you're the one that supplied the gun? >> well, if we're the ones that
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supplied the gun and remember, we provided money, not a gun, but if someone is on top of mr. zimmerman again repeatedly bashing his head into the concrete, and he acts in self-defense, that's incredible bad luck he found himself in that situation twice, but we'll sleep soundly. >> i mean, he will sleep very soundly but when i asked him have you thought about providing help to trayvon martin's family so they can defend themselves, he didn't really have an answer for me. >> i watched the interview last night, and having been a homicide prosecutor here in new york, i can tell you i've sat across from and interviewed people who were store owners, as well as police officers who had to use their firearm and take a life, and if it's in self-defense and they were not -- they were found not to be liable for that death, it was not a murder, it was a killing, as in this situation here, i -- i can tell you for certain those
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people were affected in ways that stayed with them forever. a police officer who takes the life of a young teenage boy, the first thing he would want to do is not grab a gun. that's not the kind of person that goes back to the core values i was talking about. a real law enforcement officer, somebody that could pass the psychological test would have immediately had some empathy for what is going on, and would not want to have a gun in their hands. >> what about the story we'll be talking about later on in the show, which is this district in arkansas where they have basically armed an entire school. i mean, 20 of the teachers and administrators will get training and will conceal carry guns during school time? >> who is to say that the teacher's toast was not burnt that morning and walk into the classroom and go completely buck wild? who is to say that all of a sudden the bipolar meds didn't
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get delivered from the pharmacy online -- >> they dropped the gun. >> or put the gun because there is a distraction over here and put the gun in the december and can forget to turn the lock and another person in that classroom grabs the gun. i know there are a lot of people out there that believe that everybody should be able to arm themselves, i support the second amend t a& amendment united states constitution but the guns we need out. if we had gun background, zimmerman wouldn't have a gun. >> the only answer that the progun hobbiest put forward is more guns. they don't count the notion that reducing the volume of guns could make america a safer place. that is what i find so unkonsble. >> if you don't reduce the volume of guns, make ammunition expensive. >> do something. >> so every time you point a gun
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at somebody and point the trigger, think is that worth $5,000 for a bullet? make the ammunition bigger. i don't think that's in the constitution. >> dramatic reduction in all fire offenses when we made it a mandatory five-year jail sen senten sentence. it works. star jones, come back, please. when we come back we'll go to the small school district where they are arming teachers and armed and dangerous, the jailbreak that has a daring criminal on the run tonight captured on quite remarkable video.
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tonight of a jailbreak in arkansas. the whole thing caught on tape. officials say derrick estell has an accomplish district employees on sunday afternoon. when the coast was clear, he jumped over the counter and sprinted out of the door where a woman was waiting in a car. he will be held on charges of aggravated battery, theft, fleeing, police say he's armed and dangerous asknd aggressive. i mean, larry, in one sense it's amusing to watch. extraordinary. the guy on the phone pretending to speak to somebody and bolts
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over the counter but actually, he's a dangerous man and the obvious question is how could he be in a position to even do this? >> i think it's very important when somebody is take sbon into custody there is a risk level because you want more security on a person that poses a risk, so that is the reason why we have facilities that are minimum, medium or high level security prisons. so, i mean, obviously this is -- was a facility that was not the highest security. >> gone mad. there he is on the phone, we see him there now. he's keeping a close eye out, clearly others involved and straight over the counter head first, followed by the rather clueless officer, not quite as quick. he returns into the car park, as we see, there is already a car waiting, a girlfriend, we think. the car ready to go and off he
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goes. >> yeah, quite amazing. i think some escapes happen because there is an opportunity and a strong motive, a strong desire to escape. on the other hand, many escapes occur because they are well-planned out. there is communication with an accomplice on the inside or out, somebody that will help you. >> shouldn't there be more done for somebody like him? a full fledged prison, what do you do? >> as i said, you need to put people like this in the right facility and it's expensive. facilities expensive. there are too many people in the prison in this country. it's costing the taxpayer a lot of dollars and you have to make a decision do you want to build roads and bridges or prisons? this unfortunate. most of the time they are caught but poses a threat and danger to society. >> thank you very much, indeed.
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>> a small school district came up with what i think is a dreadful plan, teachers and t staff, 20 of them to carry concealed weapons. what could possibly go wrong? joining me is president of the arkansas education system. my view is straightforward. i think this is absolutely crackers. what is this? >> well, my view on this piers, and thank you for inviting me on the show but my view, educators we do everything in our power in order to secure a safe learning inveerment for students and in arkansas we oppose having guns anyplace in the school. >> i mean, i've got four kids varying from ages from 20 to 20 months and i can't think of anything more horrific or nerve jangling on a minute by minute basis and thinking one of my children is going to school and 20 people in that school have
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armed guns on them. >> well, i've heard from some parents. they are taking their children out of this school district simply because of that reason, they don't feel secure with guns in the school and i know there are teachers and administration and education support professionals that are being trained, only in 50 hours, in order to carry a concealed weapon and be a trained security guard. i just don't think that should be the focus. the focus should be teachers and administrators creating a safe environment for children to learn and focus on teaching and learning. >> teachers should be teaching for god sakes. the school superintendent david hopkins told jack tapper today about the training. listen to what he had to say. >> these guns will be concealed on the employees in the district and again, the training that they have received is first class training and, you know, if
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you hire a new police officer out of the police academy, as far as firearms training, we received as much or more training they would receive, in fact, more training. i believe the course is 40 hours here in arkansas and our individuals receive 5 3 hours of training. >> this sounds great, brenda. you remember recently the empire state building shoot out that happened here in new york and policeman drew guns and fired 16 rounds and hit bystanders with gunfire by mistake and nine others hit by rick sheaing bullets, people training with these guns all their careers and now we expect teachers in between giving lessons on chemistry, biology and so on to pull out firearms and be john wayne. >> i agree with you on that. that would be a hard focused
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area to stand in a classroom and teach and all of a sudden, when something occurs, violence occurs you have to go and pull out that concealed weapon and do what you need to do in order to protect children, which we do on a daily basis. we're there to protect our children, and also, my concern with that would be when law officers come, who do they know are the gunmen? because who do they know are the trained security guards you know in that session? that's some of the unknown. students being caught in the cross fire will also be another concern, as well. >> completely agree. thank you very much indeed for joining me. when we come back, a heated debate on guns and schools. manning thinks it's a great idea, versus a teacher that's against it. that's the grill. this could get pretty lively. stacey: my daughter zoe had her first open heart surgery...
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we believe in absolutely gun-free, zero tolerance, totally safe schools. [ applause ] >> that means no guns in america's schools, period. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> the nra's wayne with a complete about face on guns and classrooms. i want to bring in two people that couldn't agree more with
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guns in schools. joining me is marry ann and vice president of the american federation of teachers and works on school safety policies and political commentator, both on the grill tonight. ben ferguson, give me one good reason why arming 20 teachers and administrators is a sensible way to reduce gun violence in america? >> i've give you three, one these teachers are volunteering and know their school better than any police officer will in their community two. you're training them with 50 plus hours in their school only. they aren't doing police training like police do where their hours are diluted in different scenarios and the most important reason, in arkansas specifically they had one of the worst shootings early on in history. an 11 and 13-year-old take out teacher and student and wound a bunch of classmates and nobody was there to stop them. from a teacher's perspective willing to go through the training and background check and willing to put their bodies
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in front of their students like we saw in new town, where there is hero teacher who takes bullets for student, they want to have extensive training, more than police officers get. instead of being shot to death, take out the shooter and save student's deaths. that to me is common sense. >> you would presumably, ben, arm every single teacher in america in every school? >> no, absolutely not. i would arm teachers that want to go through the training and be armed. i do not want every teacher in america to have a gun because a lot would not feel comfortable having a gun on their body and in their position and i wouldn't want somebody to carry one who didn't want to. >> marry, what is your reaction to that? >> my huge concern is this idea that for every problem you think
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you may be solving, there are going to be far march problems you're creating. this video you're creating an atmosphere in a school that is armory. where will they keep them? are they carrying them home at night? are they storing them in the building? when you have students and families and adults that had traumatic gun violence in their lives, are you creating a classroom as a traumatic place for them where it was a sanction worry and finally, no, i think you have to look at the fact that, you know, in this perfect scenario you're talking about to teacher who in a splint second will have access to a firearm that will not equal with the murders are bringing into schools, each other -- >> mary -- >> are they keeping it locked and loaded? >> mary. >> will they have time to go and unlock it? >> this is where the fear is exhausting.
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you just asked a bunch of questions and obviously did not do any of the research because you want to terrify parents watching tonight. i can answer the question -- >> ben, i am a parent -- >> let me finish. let me finish. the gun, first of all, if you actually looked at what they are doing, has to be on the person. it is not locked up in the school overnight. it's not being left in a drawer. it's a concealed weapon on the person. that is the law of anyone who is a guard in this situation, which is the law in arkansas. so let's not put out information that is not true -- >> okay ben, ben, ben, ben, let me ask you a question. >> sure. >> how would a teacher with just 50 hours of any kind of training with a gun be able to stop somebody like adam lanza with an ar 15 with perhaps 100-bullet magazine. explain to me how you'll do that? >> well, you actually take the gun. you lift it up. you aim it at that person, and
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then you pull the trigger. it works. i had two guns pointed at me, both of them shooting at me, and i was able to protect myself. it's better than putting your hands up like this or putting yourself in front of children and taking them and having absolutely no way to defend yourself or the poor children -- >> where do the teachers put the guns? where do the teachers put their guns physically? >> they wear it on their waist. this is not new technology -- >> there are a couple things really concerning -- >> mary -- >> because ben, they are police officers. wait a moment -- >> ben. >> they are police officers, that is their job. >> that's right. >> like soldiers are soldiers. we're talking about teachers. where do you end this? do you do the same with nurses and priests. >> pierce -- >> mary -- >> yes, so we're starting in the wrong place.
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if we are as a country coming to the fact that we are going to accept that these intruders come into our school and hunt our children down and kill them and we're just reacting, then i -- you know, then we're starting too late. we're reacting too much. the superintendent -- >> so what do you want to do? >> so, first of all, ben, i don't appreciate being accused of not doing my research because i spent quite a bit of time talking -- >> but the things you brought up were answered. >> they haven't been. we have not had the comprehensive situation we've had solving the problem. we haven't. what we have to do, when this superintendent said that lock your doors and shut your lights is not a plan, i actually agree with him. because what we've done then -- >> what do you want to do -- >> ben, ben -- >> so -- >> let me jump in because ben, every single day it seems we read these awful stories of accidents. put aside for a moment any threat of homicide or mass
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shooting or whatever. let's get down to the nuts and bolts of what happened when there were lots of guns around. a recent study in the southern medical journal said the dangers of having a gun at home out weigh the safety benefits. we seen a load of young kids who have picked up guns and shot siblings and parents. it's not funny, ben. >> it's not funny -- >> it's happening on a daily basis. >> there are crime victims i can bring before you that would say what you just said absolutely did not apply. go to any person to guard and protect and defend themselves, i'm one of them, faced with a gun being point at them or their home -- kicked -- their front or backdoor being kicked in and saved their life and an accident didn't happen there and without a gun they would be either raped or dead or live a life of fear and terror because of the horrible crimes committed that cannot defend themselves. i have to say one other thing
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about teachers, why are we acting as if teachers are somehow incompetent to volunteer to then go through training? we trust them with our children's lives -- >> ben, ben -- >> we trust them with reading, writing and -- >> ben, there were of course, as you know there were armed guards at columbine, virginia tech, fort hood, the base was swimming in them. >> right. >> there is no evidence it makes any difference. when you have people -- >> too far away. >> i come back to my point and mary's point, it's chicken and the egg. what you have to do is make it far more difficult for these mass shooters to get hands on killing machines. bring in universal background checks. ban high capacity magazines. man assault rifles. do something to try and make it more -- >> and you and i look -- >> your answer is what you do after the event. it's like well they are going to come anyway, so let's arm everybody else. it's the wild west.
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>> it's not the wild west -- >> can explain -- >> i have to respond to that, piers. >> hold on, let ben respond to me and mary have the last word. >> when you look at school shootings in america today, at some of these locations there were a armed guard and unfortunately it was too far away or the police were too far away to take out the threat at that moment. we saw that in new town. it was too long before the police and it's not their fault got there. when you have multiple people in a school who have volunteered and have been trained in that situation than the majority of police have been trained in that situation and they know that school and they want to do it -- >> okay. >> and we trust them with kids, why would we not trust them -- >> ben, quickly last point to you and mary why was wayne so adamant there shouldn't -- by his words that we saw at the top
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of the segment, there should be no guns at any school in america and now takes the complete opposite? >> i think he saw that idea we tried from coast to coast in this country, gun free zones is a file gur and the number of school shootings has risen since we had gun-free zones. so when kids get killed you adopt exchange. it's called using the brilliant mind that god gave you to realize sometimes they don't work. gun-free zones are a file your every time a shooter walks on campus. >> the more guns you have, the more deaths you have. mary, last word to you. >> piers, final point i want to make is we do learn a lot from tragedie tragedies, we don't pay attention how much we can learn from the shootings. the two big lessons, as studied.
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the relationship someone had with the potential shooter that got them to stop their behavior and two, the people who noticed change behavior, saw something on social media and saw something and got somebody help before they created -- >> i'm in favor of that -- >> to do more, elevate that -- >> good point. mary, i got to leave it there. that's a good point to end on. >> absolutely. >> thank you very much, indeed. reaction to bradley manning's verdict not guilty to aiding enemy but will he spend the rest of his life behind bars anyway? ♪
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let me know when you get it. once you light them all up. >> 260. >> come on, fire. >> one of the videos at issue in army private first class and accused him of violating the espionage act and joining me to talk about it, alan, are you surprised bradley manning evaded a conviction for aiding the enemy? >> well, evaded isn't the word i would use.
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there was no evidence to support conclusion he intended to aid an enemy or hurt the united states. he intended to be a whistle blower. the video you just showed should be seen by every american. it should never have been classified and indeed, under the law, you're showing it tonight on television subjected you to being convicted under the staplsame statutes. broadcasting the material and transmitting the material. far too much information is classified today and real secrets. the ones that ought to be protected aren't adequately protected so we have it wrong. >> before i come to you, i want to play a clip from julian who said the following about this conviction today. >> this is the first ever espionage conviction against a whi whistle blower in the united states. it's a dangerous president and an example of national security extremism. it's a short side of judgment
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that cannot be tolerated and must be reversed. it can never be the conveying true information to the public is espionage. >> where is the line do you think? we see edward snowden and all these whistle-blowers, where is the line between whistle blowing and becoming a traitor? >> well, in our lifetime, daniel ellsberg in my opinion was a whistle blower. he was aware of the report he and others authored within the defense department and tried to get those in congress and the executive branch to pay attention to the findings in the report and went to the new york times as a last resort. in the case of bradley manning and edward snowden, they went to the guardian and to wikileak' as a first resort so i don't see them as whistle-blowers. i think in the case of bradley manning, he had no idea what was in many of the documents he
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provided. i don't think there is any human being that yet has gone through all 700,000 documents. so i think it's hard -- the first cable he provided was about a dispute called i save between iceland's great britain and the netherlands. the united states was not a party to it. so from iraq i don't think he's in a position to evaluate u.s. policy towards iceland and decide whether it's right or wrong. >> i mean, alan, if you don't bun niche the whistle-blowers, traitors, whatever you want to call them, no matter what side you're on, you can't have open season. you can't have everybody you have access to classified material just releasing it into the public domain. how do you regulate it going forward? >> the best way to keep a secret is not know it. you don't let people like bradley manning and know den have access to the deepest, darkest secrets.
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they aren't sufficiently trustworthy. you make sure the deepest, darkest secrets, the names of spies, low captions of sacation are secure. to other material, you declassified 99% of it being classified not to protect the national interest of the united states but avoid embarrassment and make things more convenient. so what we have to do is be much, much more careful about protecting real secrets and be open about things that shouldn't be a secret. of course, if you do violate the real secrets, you have to be punished and if you think you'll be a whistle blower, you have to think of the consequences of punishment. this was clearly an act of civil disocbedience disobedience. not to over prosecute and that's why i was satisfied with today's
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decision of the judge throwing out the most serious charges. >> finally, john kerry the nine-month goal for middle east peace talks tonight. so he being too optimistic? >> it's important to have a middle east peace process and have the parties talk, even if the prospects of success are not promising, i think is vitally important. i think we'll see potentially progress by inches, not progress by yards or leaps. >> pj and alan, i got to leave it there. i ran out of time so i'll come back to you again another time. coming next, brad paisley, one of my favorite country guest on touring, on the chance, on guns in arkansas schools. i want to know what he thinks about that and he's in the chair next after the break. you really couldn't have come at a better time. these chevys are moving fast. i'll take that malibu. yeah excuse me, the equinox in atlantis blue is mine!
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♪ ♪ >> brad paisley, southern comfort, he's between stops on his summer tour and spoken guns. he's in the chair. brad, always good to see you. >> great to see you. >> one of my favorite country stars. >> thank you. >> let's talk a moment about arkansas. close to you, you live in tennessee and born and raised in west virginia. you have this reaction, i guess it so to what happened at sandy hook and i want to take you back to 4 and 6-year-old kids yourself. you look at the news today and i
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was told about this when i got here, your first reaction is wait and look into what they were doing. i was told by your producer back stage they are doing extensive training. my fear is knowing as many law enforcement officials as i do and i'm kind of a group pi of those guys. i respect them. i would love to see the highest trained people we can get guarding schools in that sense. you know, when you think about something like when you walk into walmart and you've got somebody handing out cheese, it's a retiree because they want to be around people.
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as a father, i would hated idea of my kids being around guns all day. >> i would definitely want to know each teacher and who they are and more about them. how it goes. >> i follow you avidly on tweeter. but the dzhokhar tsarnaev, the boston marathon bomber, being pour trade as a glamorous rock star on the cover of "rolling stone." >> i didn't like that. if you're going to portray him in an accurate light, you should put him in a chicken suit. then you've got the guy on the
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cover with basically the way i see him. >> but that was a real picture. i was torn here, because i thought journalistically, if you read the article, that was the right image. this guy was a very westernized, glamorous young man who becomes radicalized and becomes this appalling bomber. it's the journey he went on. >> i get that. but the problem with that being we don't want to inspire these people to do more of this. he looks like a vintage jonas brothers. you don't want these guys to go, that's how you get on the cover of this magazine. >> if that who he was, is it legitimately wrong to say that's who he was, he was a good looking guy leading a normal school life. >> it's not necessarily wrong in the sense that they have every right as a free publication to do that. but i think it's in bad taste.
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they could have used a -- again, photo shop it and give him feathers, in my opinion. >> let's talk about this album "wheel house." what is your wheel house, brad paisley? >> i don't know anymore. this was an attempt to break out of that and ask really hard questions, even from opposing points of view for myself. and see what discussions transpired and it was a blast for me to incorporate other types of music into what i do and guests that you don't expect, everything from eric idol and l.l., people like that. >> all the accidental racist things that blew up, i think we got a clip of what he said to me about this. >> people thought that i was trying to trivialize slavery, which is ridiculous. i wouldn't with good conscious as a black man in america say
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okay, that didn't exist and it's all okay because it's not okay. that's not what i was implying. >> yashgs eah, he definitely wa implying that. after april came, then came the bombings, then the trial and all these things, it seems like weekly we have something that's happening. i remember as we did that, as the week went on, and i heard all of these different points of view, everybody saying great job to, you know, basically go to hell or whatever. >> what did you make of the paula deen thing, was she unfairly vilified do you think? >> i don't know enough about what she really did, but it's really -- what's obvious to me is this is just about the touchest subject there is. what i was saying about ll was, this is a personal conversation about two people in a song, me saying as a southerner, how does
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this make you feel, what i'm wearing? and him having his point of view. what i learned is this is a subject where, unlike something like cheating or heartbreak or anything where you can sing and say here's how i feel and everybody says sure, this, when you sing a song about it, everybody says how dare you speak for us. it's sort of like wait, we were just trying to have a conversation. that's the tension of the world we live in right now. >> i completely agree. "wheel house" is your ninth album, and available right now. for more information, go to >> thanks for having me. >> that's all for us tonight. anderson cooper will start in a few moments.
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good evening. everyone, part two of our keeping them honest series. rehab racket, clinical operators billing taxpayers for a bundle and how teenagers who don't need rehab at all, they are being recruited to help, as you see, our investigation is getting results. judgment day for private first class bradley manning. he leaked 750,000 classified documents and videos. the question is, how much damage did he really do? and later, believe it or not, $136 million in stolen jewels was only the tip of the iceberg. we'll go


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