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that stings on the economy. it is 800,000 federal workers who are today without a job. we're talking $200 million per day in lost wages in this economy. they'll probably eventually get some kind of back pay, but that's not entirely guaranteed either. who are these officially nonessential federal workers that we're talking about? 94% of the environmental protection agency, along with half of the civilian workforce of the pentagon. active duty military is on the job. and is getting paid in full, thank god, because that's one thing that all the parties in washington did decide to agree on. the 68% of the centers for disease control is, quote, furloughed. and that's with flu season right around the corner. social security payments are going to be going out, but 29% of the social security workforce is also out today. not going to work. even homeland security is taking a hit. 14% of its employees are not
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doing their jobs for you today. that equates, are you ready, are you sitting down, more than 30,000 people alone. so that's big picture. but when you're speaking about people not doing their jobs, congress brought about the first government shutdown in almost 18 years by failing to agree on a bill that would keep the lights on for a mere six weeks. all of this, people, is over a six-week period. that's it. all they had to do was figure out how to keep spending for the government for six weeks. but they couldn't do it. cnn's brianna keilar joins me live from the white house. there are so many implications, they kicked the bill back to the house, fourth time going now, and president obama planning to make another live statement. what is the white house saying today? >> reporter: well, we're expecting, ashleigh, to hear perhaps some of what we already heard president obama say, that
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he's not going to be negotiating when it comes to obama care, and also, thii think he'll be makin general case, trying to raise awareness about the shutdown, why it is bad for the economy and trying to explain to americans, as you know, a very skeptical sort of split in the populous about obama care, trying to explain to americans why obama care is necessary for so many of them. of course, we're -- when you talk with white house officials here, and they look at what has been going on the hill, ashleigh, they don't really feel like house republicans are being serious. they say that obama care shouldn't be attached to the budget because it is not related. that's their argument here. and they also -- they also say that not only do they not want to negotiate on the president's signature health care reform plan, but doing so when you're talking about really just trying to fund the government here in the course of different proposal, which have been a month and a half to two and a half months, it is not really
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getting a whole lot when they have to then have the argument all over again here in the coming months. >> and then if that weren't a problem, i'm sure president obama had planned to spend today touting the first day of open season enrollment to obama care, all those exchanges supposed to be opening up online, ready for business and there weren't just a few of us in this room in this building who got error messages. i'm sure the white house is aware that the site is crashing for a lot of people. >> reporter: yeah, we're still waiting to see how they're going to be dealing with that. president obama meeting with obama care beneficiaries today. perhaps he'll be touching upon this when he talks in the rose garden as well. but there is actually, ashleigh, not just anecdotal either, a dozen states where you have issues with the online enrollment process. if you go to a website and it is crashing and they tell you something that not available, that's the message a lot of folks are getting or being told to come back later and sign up and there are wait times and
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airers ai errors on healthcare.gov which is the main site. we saw earlier issues, the span spanish language has been delayed further into the month. the website for small businesses enrolling has been delayed a month. there have been a number of things and we're talking about obama care, it is a political hot potato and republicans have been seizing on this to say, you know what, this isn't even working the way it is supposed to be working. and they sort of pointed this as another way, in their opinions, that obama care is a failure and bad idea. >> okay. there has been a statement, though. there has been an official statement that was put out by the housing and human services. they responded, they had to. >> reporter: there is a statement that has come out from hhs spokesperson. she said, we built a dynamic system and are prepared to make adjustments as needed and improve the consumer experience. this new system will allow millions of americans to access quality affordable health care coverage without underwriting. she goes on to say, consumers
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who need help can contact the call center, use the live chat function or go to localhealth.healthcare.gov. what republicans seize on is that president obama, one of the things he talked about was, this is going to be a very easy process, you know, as easy as say going to one of those travel websites where you go to purchase an airline ticket, that's how easy this is going to be. and so they're seizing on this. >> i did it the other day and it was very easy. i did it because i heard critic saying it was a mess, a loop and it took me three minutes to get a lot of information that obviously i was one person that day, and today it is a lot more. >> reporter: a lot. >> thank you for that. just as she mentioned, a reminder the president is going to be addressing the nation from the rose garden in the next hour. you'll see it here live, cnn will bring it to you. so the cnn health care express is busy today because
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sanjay gupta is aboard with his team, going across the country to try to help you get up to speed on what this new health care story is all about. how you get involved, how you can actually sign up. and, of course, today, a tough day because a lot of glitches actually showing up on health care.gov. sanjay starting us off from greenville, south carolina. the glitches and the difficulties and just getting on the site. >> reporter: that is the big story right now, ashleigh, i'm sure you're hearing. about 36 states are run by the federal government and we're hearinging about two-thirds of those are having some significant troubles and sometime you're able to get on the site, but not be able to finish the application. that's obviously not the sort of news that people who were running the sites wanted. but a lot of times the sites are saying it is because of high volume of traffic. so it could be that a lot of people are showing up, higher numbers than were initially expected.
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keep in mind, ashleigh, this is october 1st. people can sign up through the end of march. this is the first day. there will be lots of other opportunities to do this. but, again, that's a little bit -- that's not quite the way that people wanted this to go, not being able to register or apply on many of these sites. >> okay, so sanjay, once the crash issues are dealt with and people can navigate appropriately, i wanted to just -- i want to throw some polls up on the screen so people can see how their fellow americans are feeling about health care now. under the new health care law, you and your family will be, and only 17% of those who responded said better off. 40% said worse off. and 41% ambivalent, they figure nothing will really change. and when they're asked that the new health care law will help you or other families, 53% said yes. and that may -- they thought it meant more for other families than themselves and 37% thought the new health care law would help no one in the united
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states. so when you're out touring, are you getting a lost people who have absolutely no clue or a lot of people who are angry and want nothing to do with this. >> there is a lot of people who really don't understand much about it. and, you know what, frankly, ashleigh, that's not surprising. for people out there who have health care insurance through their employer right now, they may not have been that focused on the discussion before. maybe still not that focused. that 17% number, the first number you gave, i think that's very interesting number. the number -- the percentage of people who think they could actually benefit from this. it seems to coincide roughly with the number of people who are uninsured in america. about 45, 48 million people. that kind of makes sense that, you know, 17% of people think they would benefit from this because they -- they -- these might be the people who think they can now get health care insurance, at an affordable price, without discrimination based on pre-existing conditions that they couldn't get before. so we're hearing all kinds of things but people have been sign
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up, first of all, successfully, we're hearing people who have significant concerns. but i think your last point is the most prevalent one, there is still a lot of confusion about what it means for people specifically and how to even sign up. >> i know you have a lot of work ahead of you, not just in explaining to the people who you're going to be talking to, but also the travel. i want to let our viewers know that you're going to have a special edition of "sanjay gupta md" this weekend saturday at 4:30 eastern, sunday night at:30 eastern and tomorrow sanjay reporting from lexington, kentucky. she was a u.s. senator. a republican. she got tired of the bickering and she said, i'm out. had it. her name is olympia snowe. she'll be live with me next to talk about why she had it and whether anyone is ever going to get it on capitol hill again.
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how you look at it. we did want to send ted rowlands to the streets of chicago to hear some of the actual voices, people who stand behind that number and they're ticked. ted, give me a feel for what people are saying to you and you'll have to leave the ones out who have ex-pla tipletives know there are many. >> reporter: we haven't found the 3% either, the other three. the overall theme is disgust. we have people following this very closely, the leadup, they're disgusted. the people who have long tuned out washington, they're disgusted. and it is not necessarily on down party lines. people are just absolutely disgusted with congress and think it is absolutely pathetic that they let it get to this point. take a listen. what message would you send to congress? >> get started. get back to work. i'm going to work. you can't work? are you getting paid now? you stop working, you still get paid? i don't. >> reporter: that's just one woman we talked to several
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actually that had that basic theme. and that is that, you know, i'm going to work every day and then i hear that you people can't get along enough to just keep the government moving. there is not a lot of empathy on streets of chicago and around the country outside the beltway for what is going on and what is not going on in d.c. >> all right. not surprising in the least. ted rowlands for us in chicago. thank you for that. if you think that congress is its own worst enemy, if you long for the days when republicans and democrats would actually work out their differences, or even when each party could work out its own differences among themselves, my next guest would agree with you. whole heartedly. olympia snowe was a republican senator from maine for 18 years. that is until march of 2012 when she announced that she had had enough, saying, and i'm going to quote your words, former senator, here, the greatest deliberative body in history is not living up to its billing. the senate of today routinely
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jetsons regular order, legislates by political brinkmanship and habitually issues full debate. and it appears that senator snowe's feel kz haven't softened since. thank you for joining us. you're now a senior fellow at the bipartisan policy center. wouldn't that be nice if that was a bipartisan body that you left. what is the problem and is it equally shameful for democrats and republicans? >> well, most certainly. both need to be working together to solve the problems of this great nation. and that simply isn't happening and that's what contributed to my departure from the senate. i believe in its potential as i've said and i love the institution. and i'm now fighting on the outside precisely because of the problems that exist today and characterized by this current shutdown. it is regrettable. and, you know, just hearing the earlier report about what people are saying on the street, that's precisely what i'm encountering with my speeches across the
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country to various audiences and including college campuses. people are just absolutely ap l apoplectic and disgusted about what is transpiring. >> this is a midterm year and those people on the street who ted rowlands was interviewing, many of them have the same response, get rid of the bums, get rid of them all, bring in a whole new fresh crop of congressmen and senators. my question to you, does it run deeper than that? is this a reflection of where the country stands? or is this a re-election of some entrenchment on capitol hill that really does need sweeping out? >> well, you know, interestingly enough, ashleigh, i don't think the public is as divided as the political class would have you believe. i think there are a lot of special interests out there that want to continue to incite the divisions and the polarization. what needs to happen, we have to have more competitive seats in the u.s. house of representatives. the gerrymandering made
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homogenous districts, that's unacceptable. and more open primaries where independents can participate in the primaries so you have more competitive primaries and less ideological, which now is what is happening on capitol hill is they're all feeding to their political base, third party interests and every other group on the outside that fuels those interests of their own financial gain. that's the problem. >> you have gone right to the area i wanted to ask you. i'm going to ask you to search your soul on this one and be as honest as you can. there has been a lot of criticism about the tea party and how it has been threatening those primary processes and then hijacking the republican party. do you think that this is the problem, at least within your party, that the republicans of yore are no longer a shadow of their former selves because the tea party co-opted and threatened and pushed its very, very tough agenda? >> there is no question that that's a problem within the republican party.
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obviously it moved to the extremes. i wouldn't characterize everybody within the tea party movement, but certainly there are broad elements within the party now that are driving it, their own agenda, for their own advantage, irrespective of, you know what implications it has for the republican party. certainly this is isn't a party i recognize and the party that i joined when i, you know, first enrolled. and that's regrettable. and this is not helping the republican party currently. that's for sure. and i think that clearly that there is going to have to be a rebuilding within the party and to recognize that this imperils the future of the party as it stands today. but i would urge people to get involved right now and citizen activism and engagement and weigh in with your lawmakers, use social media, use e-mails, get on -- use your online technology and communicate how disgusted and fed up you are with this process and this shutdown. and to tell them to go back to
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work and to solve the problems for this country. i mean, that is how it should be. >> senator snowe, maybe you'll consider coming back and then actually having that message from within your body. thank you so much. it is good to talk to you and i hope you're enjoying your new, i guess, stressless life. good to see you. >> thank you. at the half hour, we'll hear from somebody else who has been in the thick of it. former labor secretary under bill clinton robert reich. he's standing by and will talk about what his vision is. we'll have that shortly. we're tracking other big news this morning as well, including a really unbelievable and frightening road rage incident, a man and his family in an suv followed and surrounded by dozens of bikers and let me just tell you, there is a baby in that car. plus, in the middle of this shutdown fiasco, president obama uses the stroke of a pen to protect military members around the world. this was something we can all
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leading up to this government shutdown, we were talking yesterday about the outrage over troops who are serving overseas who aren't going to receive their paychecks. their families who live check to check who won't be getting anything but maybe an iou. thank goodness that is not the case today. at least there is one thing congress can agree on and that was a lousy idea, and they changed that, and the president put pen to paper and signed that. and then spoke about it from the white house. have a listen. >> those of you in uniform will remain on your normal duty status. the threats to our national security have not changed. and we need you to be ready for any contingency. ongoing military operations like our efforts in afghanistan will continue. if you're serving in harm's way, we're going to make sure you have what you need to succeed in your missions. congress has passed and i'm
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signing into law legislation to make sure you get your paychecks on time. >> and if you need a little lift in all this negative reporting about your congressman and senators, they were unanimous in that. about that. so good news, yes, for active duty. not so much for the veterans. cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins me now. what is the story for vets and the needs that the vets across the country have. >> reporter: first of all, ashleigh, i think it is jaw dropping that so many people in the military that the president of the united states had to go on tv and reassure them that they would be paid. when has that ever happened in the time of war in this country? it is the veterans who already served who may be feeling the brunt of it. there are 3.3 million veterans who receive disability checks. elderly, ill, injured, war wounded, and what the va says if this goes on through the month, if this goes on two, three weeks, they're going to run out of money and they will not be
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able to issue those disability checks to the veterans. of course, who need it the most. they also say that the processing of new disability claims, veterans back from the wars in iraq and afghanistan, that may slow down. it was already air long wait to get your disability claim check. now it may be longer. the check may not even come. and here at the pentagon this morning, more impact, of course, about 400,000 civilian workers getting these furlough notices, being told this morning to be out of the pentagon by noon today. they are furloughed until further notice and they will not get paid at all unless congress passes legislation for retroactive pay for them. so a lot of complications here. a lot of impact on people and families, ashleigh. >> not even an iou for some of them. that's just infuriating. barbara starr, thank you for that. a couple of other big stories we have been following for you, an arrest has been made in a story you've been seeing all morning long here on cnn,
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some video that is really quite gripping. a terrifying case of road rage in new york, a gang of bikers going after a man in an suv, all of it caught on video. a man accidentally hit a biker on manhattan's west side highway and actually broke his leg. the driver pulled over. the biker surrounded his suv, hitting it, and spiking the tires. here's the deal. in the suv were his wife and 2-year-old daughter. as he pulled away, he accidentally hit three more bikers. police say he was eventually cornered, the windows in the suv were shattered, he was pulled out and beaten and bloodied. now one biker is facing several charges including reckless driving and endangerment. just unbelievable when you see, look at them, they set upon that vehicle and the vehicle can't move, it is stuck in new york traffic. officials in colorado confirm that five hikers were killed when tons of these rocks you're looking at wiped out a
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hiking trail below one of state's most photographed mountains. the only survivor in this tragedy was a 13-year-old girl, she was rescued yesterday. witnesses say some of the boulders were as large as vehicles. a shameful act by a new york woman, audrey gosk, was indicted yesterday from scamming almost $500,000 from one fund boston. she was awarded $480,000 after claiming that she had suffered a traumatic brain injury from the bombings. police got a tip she wasn't even in boston at the time of the bombing. drugmaker merck announced today it is cutting 8500 more jobs worldwide. these new cuts are in addition to the 7500 cuts that the company already announced and that amounts to about 20% of merck's workforce. none of the job cuts has taken effect yet.
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merck says it hopes to save about $2.5 billion annually by 2015. some big news with obama care, glitches in the system that people are using to sign up today. that story coming up in just a moment. glitches on day one. not good. and the economic fallout of the government shutdown. not just the people losing their jobs, it is the ripple effect and robert reich will join me next on that. begins with back pain, when... hey pam, you should take advil. why? you can take four advil for all day relief. so i should give up my two aleve for more pills with advil? you're joking right? for my back pain, i want my aleve.
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well, it is certainly the story of the hour. day one of the first partial government shutdown in almost two decades. the last one happened -- lasted three weeks, by the way. three weeks long. a lot of money lost. this morning, the senate kicked stock gap spending bill back to the house for the fourth time. once again, the senate bill was stripped clean of health care amendments. the house bill would have delayed obama care, which, by
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the way, kicks in today, in earnest. health care exchanges are supposed to be up and running, but online glitches have been slowing the process down for unknown numbers of consumers. president obama may address that when he walks out and talks in the rose garden about this shutdown and about obama care, less than an hour from now. cnn is going to carry all of that live, just as soon as it happens. make sure you stay tuned for that. so the economic impact of a shutdown, it is pretty significant. take a look at just so far today, dow not so bad. today was a bad day. today the dow is up 51. the day is young yet. still to be known how long is the shutdown going to last, how long will the numbers be average or acceptable, how long will it take until they go in the red. a three to four week shutdown could cost the economy $55 billion. that's according to moodys analytics. the key sources of revenue lost,
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things like inspection fines, visa and licensing fees, costs of reopening, the costs to close down and reopen and it is significant too. indirect costs, the trickle down costs, businesses and local governments that start to feel it when a lot of people are out of work and things aren't working. that could go into the millions of dollars. somebody who knows a lot about the workings of working is a professor of public policy at the university of california at berkeley. also the former labor secretary under bill clinton. robert reich. bob, i saw your film last week "inequality for all," a terrific film, a great explanation of how the economy works and doesn't and i thought you would be a terrific voice. we talked to olympia snowe who got out of government while the getting was good. what's wrong? what is it that the days of yore are so different than they are today? >> i'm not sure, ashleigh, the days of yore are all that
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different. i was there in 1995. i had to tell 15,000 employees of the labor department that i didn't know when they were going to next get pay checks and that they all had to go home. so to some extent this is a repeat of what we did see 17 years aquo. . >> 17 years is a long time to have that not repeat. and it seems we're careening, you know, almost month after month. i need to remind our viewers if they just tuned in, we're in a big discussion over a six-week stopgap measure. not in a discussion over debt or a budget. we're in discussion over a six-week stopgap funding measure that we can't even agree on. >> you know, it is flabbergasting that the nation that is the head nation of the free world, the largest economy in the world, has a government that is now partially shut down and we also are facing the prospect, a little over two weeks from now, that we may not be paying the nation's debts. that would have even larger negative economic implications and in fact it could bring the
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entire financial community, not only the united states, but around the world, to a stop, because the u.s. treasury bills are so central to the global economy. >> so let me ask you this, there are a lot of people who are criticizing the republicans for, you know, attaching what they don't like, which is obama care and that's the law of the land, passed by congress and a lot of the congressmen are no longer in office. but they're attaching it to the continuing resolution, this funding, the six-week funding bill. and there is a lot of criticism over that, that that's essentially holding a gun to the head of congress to go with these stripped down measures on obama care. can you tell me legitimately and reasonably that the democrats wouldn't do the exact same thing in the climate we live in on capitol hill now? >> well, the climate that we live in is one of the most partisan climates of i have ever witnessed in my life. i don't know whether the democrats would or would not do it, i don't think it is responsible no matter who does it. we have a legislative process, ashleigh. that legislative process is a
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bill is passed by both houses of congress, the president signs it into law, and it is even confirmed as constitutional by the supreme court. and then you have a president who is re-elected and in which that particular piece of legislation was very much at issue in that election. after all of that, we would assume that the issue is laid to rest, that the affordable care act or whatever act you're talking about is the law of the land. we do not in this country repeal or delay laws because one party wants to essentially hold hostage the entire united states government. >> it is not illegal what they're doing. they're not going outside of the legislative process. this is part of the legislative process. it is a drag. is the toothpaste out of the tube now when it comes to what a party doesn't like and when they don't like the fact that there is a law of the land, is this the new norm? is the toothpaste out of the tube and will the democrats do the same darn thing when there is a republican legislation? >> i think what i'm saying to
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you back is i hope it is not the new norm. if it is the new norm, anything goes. one party and one house that controls one house of congress can hold up the entire government. i don't think that's the way the framers of the constitution intended the government to run. you're absolutely right. it is not technically illegal, but it is not ethical in my book. it is not the way people ought to address and conduct themselves when they are running the government of the united states. >> you and olympia snowe should come back. that's all i can say. because every time i get an acting congressman or legislator on the air, i seem to go nowhere with them. thank you so much, mr. secretary. good to see you again. >> thanks, ashleigh. and the film is terrific too. i will repeat that. make sure you go out and take a look at that "inequality for all" by the former secretary of labor, robert reich. with the federal government shut down, you may not be surprised that congress has an approval rating of, are you ready, 10%. 10%. with all that dysfunction, and
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during this legislative stalemate, help our lawmakers to test all things by their conscience, seeking to do right as you give them the ability to see it. stir their hearts, making them bold to follow your ways. in these days that try our
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souls, strengthen our weakness, replacing cynicism with faith and cowardice with courage. we pray in your holy name, amen. >> well, let's hope that everybody in the chamber was listening because that was the senate chaplain's prayer this morning on the senate floor. if you want to know how mad the american public is at congress, you may be mad, you may not be. but generally speaking, people are apoplectic because how is congress handling its job? respondents say 10% are in the approval column. only 10% of people approve of congress doing its job. 87% disapprove. when you cut into that a little finer and say what about the tea party? the opinion of the tea party movement, 31% of those
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respondents say favorable. but 54% say unfavorable. 5% aren't exactly sure. but those numbers, if you're looking at the trend, represent the lowest favorability of the tea party to date. so the numbers are sliding. and they're sliding pretty much right across the charts. is there a crisis in the membership of the republican party because they seem to be taking the fall. a lot of the blame for what's going on right now in the shutdown. democrats won't budge. republicans hate obama care. and right now everybody seems to be real dug in. paul begala and anna navarro. when people say this is our crisis of philosophy in the republican party, and the tea party is dragging the republican party down, into taking the blame for what's going on, is that fair that the notion that they have idealism, they --
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whether you fault them for the idea or not is not the question. it is the blind idealism and the intransigence of negotiation, is that a fair characterization? >> look, i think there is a division right now in the republican party. you can almost get two views on any issue, whether it is national security, whether it is something like the budget tactics, but these things happen, ashleigh. you know, politics is a pendulum. a lot of times the pendulum shifts to an extreme and then it comes back to the middle. paul knows that this happened to the democrats. and it took somebody like bill clinton, frankly, to bring them to the center. but the democrats were in the wilderness and the fringes before that. so are we going through growing pains right now? yes. is it particularly painful for republicans like me to see this? very much so. but do i believe this is the end of the republican party? no. things will -- the pendulum will swing back. and i'm praying with that
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chaplain. >> do you cut the tea party loose to save the republican party? >> no, i don't think it is the end of the tea party. i don't think we have seen the end of the tea party. nor do i know that we should see the end of the tea party. i'm not sure that ted cruz and that bunch that we have seen is the exact representation of the tea party. they started as an organic movement, without any real leadership, that was against big government, and was for fiscal responsibility. those things sound good to me. i just hope that they get back to that. and, you know, the important part, they don't -- that we don't cannibalize each other. i think the part that is really dangerous here is that you've got some republicans out there telling other republicans, if you don't toe our line, we're going to come after you. you've got more money being spent with republicans trying to take out other republicans than republicans trying to take out the other team. >> paul, you're not off the hook
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here either. this -- i'm an equal opportunity offender when it comes to what is going on now on capitol hill. harry reid will not agree to a conference committee. if harry reid and the senate democrats are not going to agree to a conference committee with the republicans, what are they going to do while everybody is lo losing a ton of money. what is the next step? >> harry reid and the democrats tried 18 times over 131 days to appoint a conference committee on the budget. >> okay. the government is shut down. today is a new day. >> because what are they supposed to negotiate now? this is a continue resolution. this is not even substantive legislation. the senate has passed a bill, by the way, the bill funding the government that the senate supported that the democrats voted for is the republican level of funding. it is the republican number, the republican budget cuts are enshrined in that bill and the democrats are voting for it so you're wrong when you say democrats won't budge. they already adopted the republican spunding lev infundi.
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i talked to one of the highest ranking democrat yesterday and who told me, and this is a stew quote, they're too stupid to realize they have won and they can't take the answer. >> pardon me for interrupting, because, boy, did i interrupt two republicans yesterday and i took it on the chin on twitter yesterday for it. that was then. now the government is shut down. people aren't getting paid and $2 billion today is going to sky fall into billions of losses for everyone in this economy. so what about moving forward instead of looking back and saying maybe this conference committee that you said you couldn't convene before, it is time not to say no. it is time for harry reid to say yes, go ahead and do it. do something. paul? >> this is what they need to do. do something, something is fund the government. they have to say, look this is why these continuing resolutions exist. once and a while we hit loggerheads like this and we say, okay, we're going to continue funding the government and then debate the other matters. but that's the fundamental obligation of the congress. there is nothing else to
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negotiate here. fund the government or they don't. and a notion that -- this is the problem with journalists covering this, they fall into this garbage of equal blame and false equivalency, that's often the case. sometimes it is not the case. this is the time where the tea party republican has hijacked a perfectly honorable political party and taken it off a cliff. that's the story here. >> just because we asked tough questions and challenge you does not mean we have agendas. i nailed you as hard as i nailed the republicans and i'm so sick of being the messenger getting attacked when the rest of the people are so sick of congress, i'm out of time. thank you, anna navarro, paul begala, for joining me on the program today. let's hope we don't have to have this discussion for days and days. i'm not so sure we're not going to. president obama is going to make remarks next hour. we'll take you live to the rose garden. stay tuned. cnn will have full live coverage of that. still ahead, grand canyon, typically sees 18,000 visitors
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every day in october. and right now, that's not going to happen. along with other popular parks and museums, lots is shut down. lots and lots. look at the sign. one national park spokesman will join us in a moment to give you a statistic it's not just vacations, folks. this matters to you. so you can feel free to add it to anything. and feel better about doing it. better it with benefiber. see, i knew testosterone could affect sex drive, but not energy or even my mood. that's when i talked with my doctor. he gave me some blood tests... showed it was low t. that's it. it was a number. [ male announcer ] today, men with low t have androgel 1.62% testosterone gel. the #1 prescribed topical testosterone replacement therapy increases testosterone when used daily.
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we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much is the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ so the government shutdown
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i'm sure you've heard by now, apart from laying off people, it's going to shut down 401 american national parks. so lest you think that's just a bunch of vacations thwarted, i have a stat for you. last year, 287 million people visited those parks. 287 million. and they bring with them a lot of money for the surrounding communities. there's a lot all of a sudden going into play. they've got 48 hours to leave camp grounds, hotels. 20,000 employees furloughed. it's unbelievable the statistics. dana is a spokeswoman for the great smoky mountains national park live in gatlinburg, tennessee. what is your day going to be comprised of today? what do you have to do with the shutdown? >> we started shutting down the park first thing this morning. for us that means closing our visitor centers, talking to people at our camp grounds, informing them of the 48-hour notice to vacate the park.
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we have over 850 miles of trails. our back country will be closed throughout the shutdown along with all of our roadways. during the month of october, we typically see 1 million to 2 million visitor who's come here for the changing fall colors. >> what about you? are you just supposed to wait for notice to come back to work and all of a sudden gear back up and get everybody back on board? >> yes, we have 329 employees at the smokies currently. i'm one of the 279 employees that are on furlough throughout the duration of the shutdown. >> so it's just by the kindness of your nature that you showed up today to at least get the shutdown going and to talk to us. then what's next? you wait for notice to come back and get into the expensive work of reopening everything? >> yes, that's correct. and you know, we're talking to the visitors. we're -- as we close the gates, we're out there the explaining what we know about to all of the visitors who had planned their
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vacations and intend to come in and enjoy the park. we have 820 campsites in the park. that's a lot of people to make contact with. over the course of the next two weeks, we had 28 weddings scheduled. so there's also a lot of other special uses, all of our ranger led classroom programs were contacting teachers to cancel those programs. >> all those weddings. what a sad story for them. dana, i'm sorry that you have to go through this. best of luck to you in getting back to work. >> thank you. dana with the great smoky mountains national park. top stories coming up right after the break. a careful inves. when you do what i do, you think about risk. i don't like the ups and downs of the market, but i can't just sit on my cash. i want to be prepared for the long haul. ishares minimum volatility etfs. investments designed for a smoother ride. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses.
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some breaking newsy want to bring to you. before i get to the story behind me, he want to tell you what we're getting word of in washington, d.c., there already world war ii veterans who have shown up at the memorial, world war ii memorial and knocking down the barriers because of course, that would be a federal facility. that would be closed because the government is closed. so apparently these veterans have shown up and knocking the barriers down. i don't have the video for you yet. keep in mind, we're scrambling to get fuller reporting to you. already, some of the angst has exploded into something even worse at this point. thanks very much for staying with me this hour. it's good to have you. wolf blitzer wolf blitzer will pick up the coverage on the government shutdown after this
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