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nazih ru thanks for joining us. we'll be back here same time, same night hoping for a miracle in washington because, you know, miracles do happen even when they do involve politicians. this is "piers morgan tonight," shutdown, day nine, how long can this go on for, and are we any closer to a deal for a deadline? i'll talk to two congressmen, and a republican that will meet with them tomorrow. 26 military personnel have died since the shutdown began, and because of the shutdown there has been a terrible cost to the families they belieleave behind. the loss of benefits at the worst possible time. owes them a sacred the president said it best, let us strive to carry on the work
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we are in, to carry on the battle for his widow and orphan. words so strong, for the veteran's association. and the pentagon made a deal with the fisher house foundation to pay benefits to the troop's families. the government will reimburse fisher house when the shutdown ends, if it does. and as far as the end of the shutdown and a looming deadline, both sides seem as far as possible. i want to bring in two congressmen, democrat jim hines of the financial services committee. gentlemen, welcome to you. let me start with you, james langford, you two are standing next to each other, which i guess is an encouraging sign, is there any real sign of movement or has everything moved to a debt ceiling debate which will be resolved around that
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deadline? >> i think it is more likely we'll have debt ceiling and cr conversation. obviously, we all wish it would have been resolved weeks ago, or two weeks ago so we never actually walked into it. the closer we get to the debt ceiling, the more likely, okay, let's get some of this resolved. probably not long-term, but short-term, i would like to get america fully back to work again. >> you were with the president tonight, jim, word is leaking out. he was in a vaguely friendly term, saying look if it takes an extension of six weeks to resolve the debt ceiling situation we can alleviate some of the problems, that may be the way to go so the republicans can save face and get the government going again. is that your understanding? >> yes, i think it is accurate. the president showed flexibility with the caucus tonight. he made the point he made all along. he will not negotiate as long as one party is saying they will
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bring down the global economy through default on our debt by not paying our bills. or that they will hold down a shutdown of the government, with all the horrible implications that that involves, but if we can get past that he is completely open to a six-week discussion on how we move forward on the real issues of the day. how do we make this country long-term, fiscally sustainable. he is more than willing to negotiate. but rightly so. this would be true if this were a republican president, as well. he is not willing to negotiate when one party puts a hand grenade on the table and says here are our demands, meet them or this goes off. >> and jim, this appalling situation of the payments to dead servicemen and women. because there were clear warnings put out. it was not a secret. there were briefings saying this is what is going to happen. how can the president feign ignorance about it? and how do you feel personally
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that the poor families were treated this way? >> no, look, there is absolutely no feigned ignorance about this at all. yes, it is a horrible situation, and yes, lincoln points out we owe huge gratitude to these men and women. it is head start people in our district who choose between the job and looking out for their children, there is massive pain. the president knows that more than anything. as he points out he regularly writes to those who have lost limbs abroad. so he finds the situation very painful. >> well, he may understand it james langford, but the government shutdown has directly led to an appalling situation,
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the idea that you could lose your life fighting on the battlefield for your country, and your loved ones left behind are deprived payments because of the fighting between the two, it is sickening. >> it is heart-wrenching, you can never repay the debt the country owes to the sons and daughters for the people around the world. but as we walked through the process two weeks ago, the house passed unanimously the resolution to make sure all the military is paid and we can continue to move forward on it. the senate took it up, passed it. the president signed it. the next week, eric holder and the department of justice interpreted this one-page bill that said all military, all civilians connected to the military and all civilian contractors connected to the military continue on. he was very straightforward, and clean, for a week we had all of these bases, the military contractors laid off. we still believed the original bill we passed two weeks ago took care of all the issues about the reimbursement, the
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payments to the families for the loss of a loved one, but we passed another bill today reenforcing today, saying we felt it was taken care of two weeks ago. if somehow this was missed, let's make it clear again this should be paid for. so this is one of the many issues as we walked through, saying we don't want a shutdown, but if it occurs it should not affect the military, they were the hardest hit during the sequestration, they should not have to take a hit. >> and speaker john boehner said i can get you an extension, a cr, continuing resolution, at the republican budget number which is where we are today so then we can negotiate a deal. and then the speaker went back to his republican conversation and they said no to him. so we find ourselves in this world, where we're at a instead of just passing a clean cr, by the way, if you need the epa regulations removed. so two weeks ago, had that failure, had john boehner's
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promise to harry reid been fulfilled we never would have gotten to this shutdown, which is -- what we're trying to do right now and what the president is trying to do is find a way for everybody to back down from this treaty that the speaker climbed up on, and get back to a point where we restart the government, take back the debt ceiling, and have the ten-week negotiation which allows us to deal with the long-term stability of this country. >> you're going to be with the president tomorrow with the republican delegation. clearly the president has made it crystal clear, repeatedly that any amendments to obama care are not on the table. he will not have this held, some metaphorical gun to his head, given that you know this to be, what will be the strategy for the republicans, on this situation that caused so much havoc to the americans? >> the president wanted the conference to meet with him. we didn't think it would be
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productive. that is not a real negotiation, that is more of a lecture time, we'll bring over about 17 people to be able to sit down with the president, hopefully have positive negotiations with this. we've asked for that for two weeks, in fact, when the shutdown started. we said let's conference, work it out the way every house and senate has worked this out since the 1700s. when you get an impasse, you get the negotiators, they work out agreements, take it back to the house and senate and pass it. the president said over and over he won't meet, which is odd to us. newt gingrich and bill clinton talked every day during that shutdown time period. when tip o'neill closed down the government on ronald reagan, they sat down and negotiated. >> well, that is exactly what you will be doing tomorrow and hopefully we can talk to you again after negotiating with him. thank you both very much. i want to turn to john boehner's
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predecessor. welcome to you, you were obviously in john boehner's shoes for a very long time. what do you make of what is going on? has he misplayed his hand here? >> first of all, i'm not going to criticize john boehner, everybody has themselves in a situation. but if there is a fight in policy, not philosophy, one side says look, we have to pare down the debt, the debt is $17 trillion which will land on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. the other side says look, we need to take care of people, we need bigger government and need to take care of health care and other situations. so there is a difference in philosophy here, we're seeing this grand battle. to try to find a solution to the problem. i can go back. i was speaker for eight years
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during clinton's time and speaker during george bush's time. if you're going to resolve the problem. you set something on the table, your counterpart sets something on the table. you negotiate, you bargain, right now the republicans set something on the table saying we're not going to have a gun stuck to our head. we're not going to negotiate. the only way you find a resolve it for both parties to come forward, lay some things on the table. and what the negotiation may end up may not have anything to do with health care at all. it may be some of these other issues that are doable. and so i think that is what has to happen. it is not happening right now. >> but let me ask you, in all the eight a years that you were the speaker were you ever in a position where you even contemplated forcing a government shutdown because you didn't agree with an established law? >> well, look, we never had to do that. but you know -- >> would you have considered it, though? >> well, it depends on what the law was and depends on what kind
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of support you had from your party? >> well, let's say hypothetically it was a health care law, brought in by the president and had the mandate of a re-election and indeed by the supreme court and by a vote in congress. under the circumstances, could you imagine using that, trying to de-fund that or make it somehow not happen as a stick to shut down the government? because i don't think knowing my history of you, you would have down that? >> you just made the argument, there was a health care battle. the clinton health care, the hillary care, if you called it. it went through regular order, passed through the senate, passed the ways and means and house but couldn't pass through congress. we were in regular order, we put something on the table we thought was better than the hillary care. and we brought democrats over to vote on our side. and they couldn't get it through. so we did have those battles. but the thing is, we went on
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regular order. and the problem with the fiscal side today if you don't have your budget done by the 15th of march and reconcile with the senate by the 15th of april and then try to come together and take the month of june and july and do the appropriation process. and then in september, fine tune it. and by the first of october you have your budget done. you don't want to jam it up to the end. because you jam it up to the end, you get in the box and you don't know where the hole to get out of is. let me tell you a quick story. i was two -- 1999, my first real full year as speaker. we had a balanced budget agreement. means the bills passed out of the house and senate. and the senate was -- 1%. our bill -- our budget was just a little over -- under, i'm sorry, under a trillion dollars, so we were over appropriated funds, so we were over about 1%.
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and our agreement said we had to be on target. so i couldn't get ahold of the president. the president in september went to africa. and jack lew was the omb director. so i tried to get ahold of the president, whoever was involved in it, we said we have to come to an agreement. we don't want to get to the first of august and not have the government open because we're not in agreement. he said well, the president is in africa. they said well, you know, the president is going to be in turkey at 10:00 tomorrow morning. and if you go through the white house switch board we can get the president and he will be in the back of a limo. well, 10:00 in the morning in turkey was actually 2:00 a.m. in the morning in washington, d.c. so here i am in washington, d.c., the president is in turkey, i get him on the phone, i said you understand you had a great trip to africa. he said what can i do for you.
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i we have the budget coming up. we need to get it reconciled. he said what should we do, i said an across the board cut, 1%, that will get us to our target. he said well you know, that 1% is pretty high. i said what do you think, mr. president? he said maybe 2.5%. i said okay, fine, we negotiated. we did it. we negotiated. the point is, we sat together, even 10,000 miles apart and came together and found a solution. >> well, it is a very good point, and i wish this was going on now between the current president and speaker. sounds like basic common sense. i also commend you on the second best impression of bill clinton, i think dennis actually shades it. nobody knows more than you on this, i hope the two leaders were watching, thank you very much. and next, how montel is
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. >> we would also be required to do some other bad things to our people, just some examples, we couldn't immediately pay death gratuities during the lapse. >> so clearly they knew that survival benefits would be denied. montel williams now paying survivor benefits to the families of the fallen. montel joins me now. this makes me very angry, i am sure it makes many americans angry. you're a former naval commander, you were in the marine corp and served for 22 years, and you have come to the rescue here
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with fisher house operation. this is ridiculous. government shut down, can't pay death payments to widows and children. >> i don't even know how this came about. i talked to two congressmen, one of them who had the audacity to take a shot at secretary of defense hagel saying he had the authority to do this. if he would have had authority to do so he would have done so to pass the bill today. the authority was not there, it was not written, there was no discretionary authority to do this. >> his answer seemed genuine, he said i am offended, outraged, at the government for not fulfilling this in the most timely manner, he is making his feelings very clear. >> this is not only disrespectful, this is a man right now that is shepherding
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the soldiers' families, the soldiers who have died. 21 have died since the beginning of this shutdown, if you take a look, it is a higher number than -- >> i think it is 26 people who have died since the shutdown started. and as you say, this is the most important duty that many would say government could fulfill. looking after as abraham lincoln said, honoring those left behind from those who fall on the battlefield. >> and that is why i'm so proud to be a board member of fisher house who has stepped up to the plate like they always do, when rubber meets the road. they are there to provide services for the families of the ones who were wounded. they built fisher house in dover, delaware, so the families could come and stay for free when they retrieve the bodies of their loved ones, how dare they?
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somebody gets a call. their son just died. they go to the bank. they don't make enough money to get on the plane to go fly to dover, delaware. they look at the news and somebody says you're not even going to get the money we owe you for your loved one, putting their life on the line to protect our democracy. i'm sorry. how dare they? yesterday i saw several congressmen and senators just blow this off, oh, we're going to take care of this. they're just to just stop gap, ban this, they will close commissaries and pxs, and soldiers won't be able to eat and take care of their children when they go to work. why don't we do something today? your show reaches so many people. maybe we can get americans on the band wagon and say look, you clowns are acting stupid right now over all other issues. let's sequester and pull out the
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military and say anything they need we fund. start there. right now. play a silly game with everything else, but remember 26 have died, tomorrow another may die, the next day another is going to die for our democracy, our freedom, how dare they? i don't know, man, i am at a loss, because you know as i started looking at the research and started to figure out why could our congressmen and senators do this? you know why? because less than 20% of them ever put on a uniform. they had the audacity, to not step up to the plate and put on a uniform. i'm sorry, 20% were, go back 15 years and we had about 45%. go back 30 years, we had about 60%. i would bet you they would not leave a man behind the way these
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guys have. >> montel, tell me this, you're a smart guy, a smart businessman. a great american. how do you resolve what seems to be such an implacable divide between these two parties? >> unfortunately, you know, we talked about this on one of the previous visits here. i said unfortunately, americans are not paying attention to the fact that so many of these guys down there are not doing this because of us. 26, 36, 41, 51 years at a job? are they really doing this to preserve their job? and at the end of the day, how have they been affected? how many of them lost a child over there? maybe a couple of them did. i shouldn't say, i'm not going to disrespect one or two dead. but how many of them went by and visited walter reed last week. how many of them went up and saw
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the bodies of those transfers going back to the families in the last ten days? you know, i have -- i don't know how they're going to fix this. i think what we have to recognize is just respect the law. you said it earlier. the law of the land is there for affordable care act. and we are not even paying attention to this. this is like a snow ball rolling down a hill. we're going to settle this. we're going to settle this. we will, but then two years from now -- >> same thing. >> when baby boomers hit the age where 45 to 50% of them have one chronic illness and by 2020, when 60% have one chronic illness and 80% of them have two? health care, what are we talking about? it is shut down in america. we should be talking about what was the truth. and that is we don't have a health care system. we have a sick care system and start to teach people how to relate to the health care system. >> montel, come back soon. you speak on behalf of so many people. living well, montel, it launches
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october 15th. >> tell them leave the guys alone, please. >> montel, good to see you, thank you very much. coming up, members get stiffed while the white house members hit the gym paid for by your tax dollars. and on the default deniers, who say they're not afraid of the debt deny. le deadl -- deadline.
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mr. speaker, if you and the house republicans are serious and not cynical about the shutdown, then shut down the house gym until this madness ends. >> democratic congressman outraged that house members are hitting the gym while the government workers hit the unemployment line. it is madness, what will it take to change it? joining me now, robert reich, and larry kudlow, the host of cnbc's show. you both talked about the budget and debt deal that may be the answer, could you see that as the way to the end? >> i think we're very close to a deal. that is one of the reason that obama is meeting with all the members of both parties in both houses. i think the republican will give them a short-term clean bill,
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maybe 45 days or whatever it is until the end of the year. then i think they will negotiate hard for at least a one-year debt bill. and that is where you will see the entitlement reforms, the tax reforms, the spending reallocati reallocation. they may loosen up on the military story, it is very disturbing. i think you will see a lot of action in the next 24 to 48 hours that will break the log jam. >> and robert reich, it looks as though they're starting to panic, the republican approval rating, 28%, the lowest it has ever been. the gallup poll here about what americans say, the top problems facing the country. the economy is at 19%, dysfunctional government, 33%, nearly doubled, the number of americans -- that is more of a problem now. that is a scandal, isn't it? >> well, i think that the republican party is beginning
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not only to look at the polls and see that they are digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. and of course when you dig a deep hole you don't want to continue to dig. the answer is to try to get out of that hole. but they're also getting pressure from many of their patrons from the business community in wall street, you guys are crazy. if you continue to hold up the government and endanger the entire full faith and credit of the united states with regard to the debt ceiling, you are putting yourself and us and the economy, indeed, the global economy at a great risk. we're already seeing the consequences. and all this pressure is building up. i think the republicans want a face-saving way out of this. and it may be that a clean continuing resolution, a clean debt ceiling bill, at least temporarily is going to allow them that face-saving -- >> well, obama suggested it at the news conference. he said give me a clean bill for
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a short time and then we'll start to negotiate. i want to disagree with my friend, robert reich, on a number of things, the polls show, yeah, they blame the republican party but they also blame the democrats. and the spread is really only about ten points. also obama's points are coming down, a breathtaking decline, in fact, one of them was just a cnn poll. so i don't think it has a thing to do with it. i want to make another point. this is community or not. the united states is nowhere close to defaulting on treasury bonds, i just want to make that point clear, not even close. >> just answer me one question -- robert, let me ask one question, let me clarify one point. does a failure to deal with the debt ceiling on that particular day when it comes up, does that automatically cause america to default? >> no, of course not. it is a constant flow process, on average, i can't give you
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each 30 days off the top of my head. on average, the u.s. government takes in about $240 billion. all right, that is a monthly average. and the interest expense we pay on our debt is about $45 billion. it is not even close. it is going to be the first priority is to keep our full faith and credit going just like any sensible country would president obama has done this duplicitous thing, where he says we're all going to go down the tubes for our own political gain, that is just a trumped up charge. >> if i may disagree with my good friend, larry kudlow, for whom i have enormous respect. but you're absolutely wrong on this, larry, first of all there is a danger of default and the markets are reflecting that danger. the interest rates are beginning to spike, and not only that,
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we've seen the stock market numbers when they started to talk about a shutdown, the stock market has also lost ground, the dow was about 6% below what it was before. and all of these things have some pressure on the republican party. let me get to the second point you just raised. there is, in fact, you are right that a default does not automatic trigger by october 17th, that is jack lew and the treasury could prioritize interest payments on our debts. but that would mean at the same time, no, this is the important point, it would mean cutting dramatically everything else the government owes, to social security recipients, to medicare recipients in other words, millions of people would be jeopardized even though creditors would get their money. this would be only by a couple of days. >> any prioritization will take care of the entitlement payments. medicaid, medicare, social security payments.
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robert is wrong, just trying to scare people. take care of veterans payments, any program would do that -- >> what is not prioritized? >> we are going through a debate in this country about the size and scope of government. and that includes some of the lesser programs. do we need everything we have? that is part of this debate. and i think you're going to see, as this debate continues, and obama is going to be part of this finally. he is going to get involved. there will be decisions made. and you know what? we don't need everything we have in our government. and you know what? we don't need the crazy complex tax system that we have in our system. and you know what? we don't need 5, 6, $700 billion deficits every year. we don't need that. that is a major part of this debate. >> larry, great to see you. >> let me agree with larry kudlow. >> you can't say anything robert, i'm shutting you down. robert, it is a cnn shutdown
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that is being implemented with the media -- we're -- >> you're giving larry the last word? >> the good news you can come back tomorrow or the next day and have another word. so gentlemen, thank you both very much. coming up, tawhen ten little gis were shot in an amish school yard, the mother breaks her silence. announcer ] take skincare to the next level with new roc® multi correxion® 5 in 1. proven to hydrate dryness, illuminate dullness lift sagging high performance skincare™ only from roc®. female announcer: save up to 35%
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he had taken extreme measures to fortify this location, and it seems to us that perhaps he was preparing for a long siege. he lined everybody up on the black board and then he let the male students go. >> it was a day that shocked america, october the 2nd, 2006, charles roberts broke into a one-room school house in pennsylvania with a 12-gauge shotgun, he shot ten school girls, killing five of them before killing himself. now his widow is finally speaking out after years of silence. she is the author of "one light still shines." thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> an incredibly difficult thing to go through and write about, and probably talk about. when you look back to that day
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and think about that day and you obviously have had to recall it to write your book, did anything call to your attention that could warn you that this man you knew as your husband, a loving father, anything like this? >> not at all. it was a really beautiful morning, the sky was clear, the sun was shining. it was an indian summer kind of day. we were hearing the sounds of harvesting, he gave the kids a walk to the bus stop and gave them a hug before they boarded the bus. it did not at all seem to be the day that it would turn into. >> when you got the phone call from him, suddenly his voice sounded very, very different. describe that moment. >> you know, he called me and said, i am not coming home. i knew he would never come home. his voice was flat and cold and unlike anything i had ever heard from him before. >> what did you think was happening? >> i really had no idea. as he started to talk, part of
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me was listening to him and part of me was still stuck on that first phrase, i'm not coming home. so as the conversation wore on i thought he would take his own life but i never imagined it would involve other people, let alone children. >> the moment you realize the scale of what he had done, this utter horror, shooting ten girls, killing five, seriously wounding three others, what went through your mind? what can go through your mind? this is someone you thought you knew and loved? >> i was shocked. i couldn't have been more unprepared for that moment, but as police were standing in my living room recounting details that were beyond horrid, you know there was no time to deny what what happened, because i was faced with the reality of what had happened. >> how did you even start the process of getting over this? because you had three kids
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yourself. >> uh-huh. >> what is the way that you come through this? i mean, how did you find it? >> you know the very first moments in that afternoon, i could face two choices, i could believe that everything that i heard about god was true, he could somehow come to rescue us, or that we were going down like the fastest sinking ship, i knew i had nothing to lose by trusting him. i was desperate. i had nothing to fall back upon. my whole world was shifting around me. but i knew that god was firm. >> the extraordinary thing happened. other members of the amish community turned up at your house. and -- unlike i think in many other similar circumstances, there was not raw hostility in their mood. quite the opposite, tell me about it. >> i was at my parent's home and
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i was looking out their kitchen window. and i saw amish men walking down the street. i knew they were coming to my parent's house, i said awwhat di do? do i go out to talk with them? and my dad said i'll go out and talk to them, he met them on the driveway, i continued to watch from the window. although i couldn't hear the words they spoke, i saw them embrace and saw them put their arms around my dad and put their hands around his shoulder. and everything about his gentleness conveyed the words that i couldn't hear. >> an amazing thing to happen. but indicative of the protective blanket that the amish community put around you, at a time when your husband had decimated a large number of that community. >> yes, absolutely. you know, when my dad came back in, we all were waiting to hear from him what they said. and he collected his thoughts. you know, i knew it had been a
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deeply moving time for him, as well. and he said they had forgiven charlie and that they were extending grace and love to our family. they were concerned about me and our children. >> have you forgiven charlie? >> you know, i have, the thing that stands out the most about this is that he was angry inside. and the anger ate away at him. and so to me, i knew that i couldn't have a place of anger inside of me. i didn't want anything that was something he had dealt with. you know, forgiveness is not something that is automatic and never happens again. it is a continual process. >> but did you hate him to start with? >> no, i don't know that i hated him. i felt a lot of emotions, i hated what he did. but the man that walked into that school house that day was not the man i had been married to for almost ten years. not the husband i had seen, not the dad i knew. >> he had shown signs of depression in a letter that he
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left for you. he blamed the fact that you had lost this infant daughter called elise, i happen to have a daughter called elise, and it resonated with me, the name. did you understand things in the letter, regarding abusing them, do you think it was depression over the loss of your little girl, or do you think it was a more complicated reason? >> you know, i do believe there was depression, i saw periodic depression over the years since elise had died. and wanted to dialogue with them. it did not interfere with his ability to go to work or involve himself with our family, but there were times it was definitely there. and so in talking to the counselors about it, they suggested that those years of untreated clinical depression resulted in a psychotic break. >> let's take a short break and
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of the amish school house shooter. even when you're described that way, do you worry that for the rest of your life that is how you will be labelled, as the amish mass shooter widow? >> you know it was a really hard thing for me to see in headlines, months, years after. it took a while to process, i knew the label that was put over me, i could choose to let it stay there or take it off. so you know it was my own healing in walking out from underneath that, made me not mind so much. yeah, i don't really want to be called that. and my life is so much more than a my past. my future is another direction. that will always be a part of the story. >> this is their father who did not come home. and presumably, as they got older, they knew what he did. >> you know, i knew they needed to know the details of that
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before they went back to school the first week. we talked about it a lot. i tried to think if i were a child their age, what would be some of the questions and thoughts. especially processing how other kids relate to them. it is really by the grace of the lord that we all found healing and wholeness in life again. >> did they find healing, after not just what happened to those young girls but also to their own family? >> you know, there are emotions wrapped up at different times. it is just allowing us the space to process through the things that we feel. >> every time there is a mass shooting, and unfortunately in america, there are many of them. they come at a relentless pace, what goes through your mind? >> well, it takes me back to that moment. and my heart breaks for everyone involved in those situations. you know, there is evil in the world. and i don't have any answers for
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that. but my heart breaks and my prayers go forth for all the families involved. >> he has -- well, he had an array of firearms on him. do you think it is too easy for people who have mental illness to get their hands on killing machines? >> i mean, you know, charlie had always enjoyed hunting and that was something he did with his dad. the guns were locked at home in a safe i don't have an answer for gun control, but i don't think that anybody with mental illness should have access to weapons. >> do you think it is too easy to get guns, given that there are millions of americans who have a form of mental illness? >> you know, i think it is hard to keep it out of their hands if that is their choice. >> you found love again. you found another man. you got remarried. how difficult was it for you to
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trust a man after what had happened to you? >> you know, i knew that relati that was vibrant and alive with dan, that i couldn't drag the past into the future, that there was no future in the past. it was just being able to trust in the board and be able to trust dan, knowing we had accountability and other people in our lives that were kind of reaffirming the decision, as well. >> did you meet any of the other families, as well? >> yes, i have, i love the relationship i have with the families and their compassion is unending. >> it is an extraordinary book, my heart goes out to you and your family and all the families decimated. it is also a book of inspiration and the power of faith and love. thank you very much. we'll be right back. 1111 ]
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