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the debate continues online at >> join us monday for another edition of "crossfire." erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront, the unsolved murder of jonbenet ramsey. >> in every case parents are suspected initially. >> four pages of grand jury testimony released. does it reveal her killer? we'll ask the ramseys' lawyer. >> plus, slashing the military budget. >> 1on100,000 professional jobs. >> but there is a better way. and prescription for murder? >> probably had sex half the time. sometimes it was just lunch. >> the mistress and the murder trial of a utah doctor takes the stand. let's go "outfront."
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>> good friday evening. i'm erin burnett outfront. an explosive revelation in the jonbenet ramsey case. the grand jury found enough evidence to indict john and patsy ramsey. the charges, child abuse resulting in the death of their 6-year-old daughter and accessory to a crime including first-degree murder. the district attorney at the time actually, after that, chose not to prosecute, citing a lack of evidence. but nearly 17 years after the child beauty queen was murdered, the case remains unsolved. the ultimate cold case. our reporter has covered it since the beginning. >> reporter: the new documents only add to the mystery of what happened to 6-year-old jonbenet ramsey found dead in her colorado home the day after christmas, 996. the grand jury said both of the girls' parents, john and patsy,
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did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury which resulted in the death of jonbenet ramsey. furthermore, each parent suspected one of the crime helping someone. the ramseys insisted it was the work of an unknown intruder. >> there is a killer on the loose. if i were a resident of boulder, i would tell my friends to keep -- keep your babies close to you. there's someone out there. >> although at first the murder looked like a botched kidnapping, the ramseys were suspected. their daughter had been struck on the head and strangled with a thin piece of cord. tightened with a broken paintbrush from patsy's hobby kit.
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a ransom note found in the house contained little known details of the family's finances and history and state investigators said they thought it was in patsy's handwriting. there were no clear signs of forced entry and tensions between investigators and the family rose rapidly. john ramsey would later suggest that he was not surprise bid the police scrutiny. >> why did they think it was you? >> because the police always go after the parents. and we journal stood that. >> reporter: but prosecutors would not go after them even the the grand jury apparently wanted to. >> we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges. >> reporter: five years ago, authorities took unusual step of clearing john and patsy ramsey based on dna evidence. even though she had died of cancer and he had moved away. indeed. an awful lot of people connected to this case, whether they are witnesses or investigators or officials, have moved on. some have died. some have gone to other careers. even if these documents had
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clearly pointed to a suspect and people somehow wanted to follow on that after all these years, a successful prosecution would be very tough. >> very, very tough. all right. but obviously, big things we've never heard before. thank you. tom was there every single day as this case was happening. i want to bring in lynne wood. an attorney for john ramsey. he's been on the case for 14 years. i really appreciate your taking the time. the charges that we're seeing, the release documents, child abuse resulting in the death of their 6-year-old daughter, accessory to murder. why release it now? their released this in response to an open records request by a reporter in colorado. without that request i doubt these documents would have been released. but i will tell you the release of these documents is a gross injustice to the ramsey family and the public and to our system of justice.
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we got four pages, and that is four pages out of an 18-month grand jury investigation that likely produced hundreds of thousands of pages of testimony, evidence and exhibits. and john ramsey went to court and he asked that all of the record be disclosed to the public. even though the accusation was against him and his wife. john wanted all the evidence to be put out there and it should have been. that would have given the public an opportunity to satisfy if there was any evidence to support these, what i would refer to as criticalry charges suggested by the grand jury in 1999. sf in the document, it says both yawn a john. they knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permitted a child to be unreasonably placed in
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danger. what is your response to that directly? >> what are they talking about? what are they saying that john and or patsy ramsey did to place jonbenet in a position of peril? they let her sleem on a floor beneath their bedroom on the top floor? that's the problem. you don't blank this grand jury was thinking and you don't know what evidence, if any, actually supported the charges. what we do know is that as you pointed out at the beginning of the segment, alex hunter did not pursue charges based on this grand jury true bill. and he was right. what this grand jury did not know that was learned nine sear later, is that there was conclusive dna evidence found on the clotheses of jonbenet in three different locations which unequivocally exonerated the ramsey family, which the boulder district attorney did in public in 2008. >> let me ask but that dna.
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obviously as you point out, dna of another person was found on jonbenet's underwear. that was used to exonerate the ramseys. would it seem until there is an actual suspect identified and linked to the dna, how can it approve the murder was committed by somebody he will. it just means someone else was there. >> look at the thing. this grand jury found that there was dna found in jonbenet's underwear in the crotch area. what was learned was that there was dna on both sides of her pajama bottoms. that matched the dna found in her underwear. as the district attorney mary lacy stated. there is no innocent explanation to find foreign male dna in three different locations on the clothing of a murder victim. that dna is the dna of the perpetrator of this crime. >> what was the dna? i guess that's a big part.
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was it semen? >> it was, we believe, saliva found in her underwear and it was found by touch dna technology on her pajama bottoms, likely trangs frd by the touch fingers or hands. >> now, does your client, john ramsey, believe he knows who committed this murder? at this time? >> he does not. john has said before, as patsy said before she untimely died. they don't know anyone who could commit such a heinous crime. this child was brutally assaulted and brutally murdered. and there is, if you release that entire grand jury transcript, there will not be any evidence to support that one of these family members was involved in that crime. they are innocent as the dna proved. and alex hunter did the right thing in 1999. he did his duty and he did not pursue charges for which the evidence would not support a finding of guilty. >> before we go, do you think we'll ever know who did this?
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this is a case that camden vatd the country. it still camden vats people. if someone did this horrific job and there is someone somewhere who did it. are we ever going to know? >> i think we will hopefully learn when we get a hit on the dna in the finish database. there was another young girl brutally murdered in boulder, colorado, about a area after jonbenet, susanna chase. two years later, a random hit on dna rereeled the perpetrator of that crime. what we do know is that yes, it is one of the great unsolved mysteries of our time. part of that mystery has been solved. that part of the mystery is that john and patsy ramsey were not involved in the death of their child. that chapter has been closed and it is a done deal. this family should be recognized as the boulder d.a. said victims of claim. they should not be one again accused of some criminal
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involvement without any evidence whatsoever to be disclosed to support i because. because it is not there. >> thank you very much. up next, military officials say forced cuts about to hit the penlt are going to cost ten of thousands of jobs and put the entire security and safety of the united states at risk. does that add up or is it hyperbo hyperbole? and the massachusetts teacher who was murdered. what happened right before she was kill? and the case of the utah doctor accused of murdering his wife, the other woman took stand today. >> how often were the two of you having sexual relations? >> we would see each other a couple times a month. there were months when we didn't see each other. it was a very casual thing. the american dream is of a better future, a confident retirement.
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. he said the obama care website would be running no problems by the end of november. but ten democratic senators are saying the obama administration needs to extend the open enrollment period. they have to do that no matter what and they need to do it beyond the dead lane which is march 31st. is the website going to be fixed in time or will the administration actually have to cave, not to ted cruz but to democrats. why is the administration suddenly after, day after day saying we don't want to give websites, aware not going to go there, so confident that this will be fixed by this date? >> reporter: a couple of reasons. one of the big problems interesting big criticisms of the way the government handles the rollout of health,
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there was not one point person to make sure the site was working. you have this point person. and the white house has a lot of confidence in him. he has held several positions. as he manage many expert, a former ceo so he is heading that up. he spoke with reporters for the first time since taking on this role heading up the massive effort to fix everything. and he said on the technical side, there is now a point organization. qssi. one of the contractors that has hem put together this site. what they've handled the data hub that hems verify information. they're part of the site. now they're going to be taking on the role of general contractor to make sure that they're in charge of making sure the whole website gets fixed. those are two areas they're now in control of. they've identified the problems on the performance side and the functionality side. they have a long list of items they're ticking through. they believe it by the end of november. the vast majority of folks
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trying to sign on will be able to do so. you hear a little of the caveat. the vast majority. even if they do get this started by the end of november, that is almost two months since the launch date. so there you have it. >> thank you very much. of course, up and running. one big victory but everybody will decide whether this succeeds or fails is whether they get the necessary 2.7 million to sign up for these plans. our third story is slashing the military. the sequester is about to hit again and it is upping the cuts on the pentagon. defense secretary chuck hagel has said the cuts will force the military to slash its ranks, trash plan for new weapons systems. but basically, you know, threaten the security of the entire country. is this true or is this crying wolf? tonight we've uncovered two things the pax pairs are on the hook for that can save the taxpayers billions.
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barbara starr has this outfront investigation. >> reporter: the navy's aerial demonstration team the blue angels are taking off again after being grounded due to budget cuts. >> we're very excited that we'll get that opportunity next year. >> reporter: the cost, $37 million. the navy says it helps recruiting and is a big crowd pleaser. just like the air force thunder birds and the army golden knights. both coming back from budget moth balls. but is it a luxury when the mill is cutting tens of thousands of troops, ships, and planes to save money? defense budget an list todd harrison says the navy is sending the wrong signal. >> they're making all of those drastic predictions on then at the same time, be funding the somewhat discretionary type activities like air shows. i think undercuts their message quite a bit. >> especially because massive new cuts are coming for the
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entire military. 527 $billion is how much the pentagon wants to spend next year. $496 billion is the spending level congress approved but only $475 billion can actually be spent after imagineder to budget cuts. the bottom line, in the next two months, $21 billion in military spending must be slashed. that's $21 billion across the board. no flexibility in where the cuts are made. all the services warn of impending doom. >> we need to be mindful. as many as 100,000 professional jobs are at risk. >> reporter: the army chief of staff general ray odierno said he may not have enough troops to fight in a crisis i. >> we have two brigades that are prepared. >> reporter: he said he needs about 3,000 troops per unit. skeptics point out, thousands of
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troops will be coming back with afghanistan winding down. but the pentagon will have to give up some cherished programs. two potential items? a new replacement for the humvee with a $31 billion price tag and a $28 billion program to replace the bradley troop carrier. with all of these cuts to national security, must the show still go on? >> you're asking me, does it explain opportunity explainable? >> reporter: for outfront, barbara starr, the pentagon. >> we welcome your feedback. outfront next, you the ambassador summoned in spain over allegations of spying. why is america spying on its allies? then remember the case of the baby called messiah whose parents were ordered to change the name by a judge because no human could live up to the expectations of that name? well, today, a big development. and a programming note. a big response for the cnn film blackfish will air again tonight at 8:30. we have a special report on the
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our fourth story "outfront." moralize over allegations of american spying. so germany and france announce that had they are in cahoots and they want the obama administration to agree by year's end formally to limit eavesdropping. today spain summoned the american ambassador to an official meeting on spying. even senator marco rubio defends the president. >> these leaders are responding to domestic pressures in their
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own country. none of them are truly shocked. everybody spies on everybody. that's a fact. >> which is true. "outfront," a cnn national security analyst former cia operative who has been scaring us all week. with all these xheegts is anger in europe, this is serious stuff. will it make america stop spying on things like francois or angela merkel's cell phone? if america pulls back, will that hurt america is's security? >> here's the problem. can washington keep a secret? what snowden is spilling out there, you know, and the public is just outrageous. whether you support him or not, and can the allies now trust us? and keep in mine that the national security agency depends on allies for platforms. they're all over europe. if the public outrage in europe gets to the point where he has to close it, you don't know. i think this man snowden is,
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could possibly be the death of americans if we lose this big ear as they call it. >> you're saying if the u.s. is forced to pull back, basically by public opinion in europe. as you and i have discussed, in europe they knew it was happening. there could be real implications. >> we just, how can they trust with us secrets? one revelation after another. and this is, this should be to have secret signals intelligence which is the crown jewels which should be untouchable and it is all out there. and who knows where it will stop? i don't think the national security agency knows. >> marco rubio said what you and i have been talking about all week. that everybody spies on everybody. but humor aside, people have been raising real questions about the effective know of manager's spying. as if bob was u.s. intelligence really getting anything out of listening to angela merkel's cell phone? we're gathering lots of information in this country. is u.s. intelligence working? is it smart intelligence or
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collecting a giant pile stuff that you don't know how to sift through? >> they have no idea how to sift through it. and frankly, listening to merkel's cell phone is not in national interests. this nsa was it because it could. she's a good ally. germany is a good ally. they're not going on break with us. and listening to her phone might be nice, might be interesting. but it is certainly not within the purview of our national security. nothing like terrorism or spying on iran or al qaeda. not the same ball game. >> all right. thank you very much. an interesting take. that tuesday shouldn't have been spying on her cell phone but that giving up that sort of ability, he's the revelations could cost american lives. up next, the day after grounding several planes, we have the update on that. and hours before teacher colleen ritzer was killed, we are learning about what happened in that time frame only the. and it sounds bad but was this a prominent doctor's motive for
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we're learning from the federal aviation administration that a
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spirit airlines flight to dallas was forced to turn back and make an emergency landing. the landing was in new orleans after the crew reported smoke in the cockpit. spirit says maintenance was done and the plane continues to dallas. this come after a separate engine problem led to the airline grounding several planes because of engines. the former transportation department secretary mary schiavo tells us she would not fly spirit right now. her top concern is what she calls a lack of oversight. the university of iowa student known as vodka sam speaks out. samantha is her real name. she was arrested at a football game in august after a breathalyzer test showed a blood alcoholizer level, four time the legal limit. she took to twitter and tweeted, i'm going on get .341 tattooed on me because it is so epic. according to the daily eye want, she has been inundated with endorsements. even after that tweet she is
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embarrassed the whole thing ever happened. >> i care about my life. i could have easily just taken this opportunity and run with and it been vodka samm my entire life. that's not why i came to college i didn't come to college to drink and be vodka samm. >> she is battling an eating disorder and depression. she is due to graduate in may. ? . the tennessee parties who fought to name their child messiah and won, that is messiah you see. there the judge ordered her to change the name to martin. that got overturned. she's been charged with violating the official conduct. you might ready, she said messiah is a name held only by jeek. naming him this places an undue burden on him that as a haul being he cannot fulfill. whether you think the name is appropriate or not, you may think it is a lot to live up to but the social security
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administration says parents have great expectations. this is a shocker. in one year, messiah moved up 246 spots in popularity. other egomaniacal names, major, maverick, and king. which actually happens to be the name of my father. all right. our fifth story outfront. a possible motive for murder. we have details in the brutal death of the massachusetts math teacher colleen ritzer. according to investigators there is no early indication that there was a crush that the 14-year-old student may have had on his high school teacher at danvers high. a source close to the investigation says the separation of phillip chism's parents may have been a contributing factor in the murder. we're trying to figure out what the motive was and don lemon is outfront. >> reporter: the students are back at danvers high school. >> i'm trying to return to some essential of normalcy. >> reporter: the school's flag
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at half-staff and ribbons on the trees are reminders that thing are still far from normal. why would someone do this to someone so nice? >> reporter: still more questions than answers as to what made 14-year-old phillip chism allegedly kill his math teacher with a box cut order tuesday and then dump her body in a field. he then went to see a movie. his uncle among those who cannot understand why. >> this is the furthest thing from reality for me to believe that phillip could, you know, get entangled in something like. this. >> reporter: they said his parents are separated. his father, a former military man, is now living in florida. the question is, could trouble at home be one of the reasons behind his alleged attack? >> an investigation is a broad and painstaking effort. so they're all, any and all information that is pert nenlt
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and relevant to proving our case is taken into consideration. >> would something like that be relevant? >> it could be. >> reporter: the freshman student cambria sat near chism in ritzer's math class. she said he was a good student but something was different about his behavior on tuesday. >> he was a little more quiet than usual. he had his ear buds on. he was drawing. he was not doing math or paying attention. >> reporter: cloutier said the teacher asked him to stay after class to help him with what he missed telling pam brown that she walked by the classroom after school and saw the two of them together. >> reporter: what did you see in the classroom at 2:15? >> i saw her standing at her desk computer smiling at me. and then i saw phillip slouching in his chair. staring at me when i walked by. >> reporter: just 15 minutes later, according to sources close to the investigation, colleen ritzer was brutally killed in the school's second floor bathroom. >> if i had walked by there 15
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minutes later, what could have happened? if i witnessed that, what could i have done? >> reporter: and sources close to the investigation say there is no indication that there is anything in this young man's path that would lead him to this type of behavior them say that reports of him having a crush on the teacher are unfounded. in the meantime, 24-year-old colleen ritzer will be laid to rest on monday. >> thank you. our sixth story outfront. the doctor's mistress takes stand. explosive testimony today in the murder trial of the utah doctor marine macneill. we've been covering this. today the mistress talked about the affair. macneill is accused of drugging and drowning his wife. he faces life in prison if convicted. jean casarez has been covering the story and she's outfront
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tonight. >> the much anticipated arrival of prosecution's star witness, gypsy willis at the murder trial of her lover, marine malneil. she is he is accused of killing his wife with a toxic dose of drugs after a facelift. >> reporter: gypsy told the jury the two met online a year and a half before martin allegedly kill his wife in the master bathroom so the two could be together. >> did the relationship become sexual? >> it did. >> when was that? >> i think that was in january of 2006. >> and how often were the two of you having sexual relations? >> we would see each other a couple times a month. there were months when we did not see each other. it was a very casual thing. whenever we had time and it could be arranged. and it was -- >> go ahead. >> i think we probably had sex half the time. sometimes it was just lunch. >> reporter: their hidden relationship became more serious with time. marnlt arranging an apartment, a
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debit card, and even helping pay for her nursing school. she told the court just a month before michelle's death, she even turned away a potential suitor because their affair had become so intense. this is what she told him. >>. in letter, you said a very good and best friend of main has recently become much more than that. >> that's correct. >> what was the date of this e-mail? >> march 6th. >> of what year? >> i'm sorry. 2007. >> so on march 6th, 2007, you e-mailed another suitor and said a good and best friend has become much more than that. and because of that, it would be inappropriate for the two of you to meet. >> correct. >> as their texting and phone call increased, the couple did their best to keep the relationship secret, she said. >> why would he not call you from his cell phone? >> this was a very informal, discreet thing. we were not interested in other people knowing.
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i think he was trying to keep it quiet. >> gypsy attended michelle's funeral and days after that, martin introduced her to the family. bringing her in for an interview to be the nanny. family members knew immediately, this was more than just a professional relationship. >> when did you become aware of that? >> it was very apparent just shortly after may mother's death. it was just obvious that she was goo eyes at my dad and wasn't doing anything a nanny would do. >> jimsy felt otherwise. she felt she was welcomed by the family. >> i think martin was asking me questions and i just kind of introduced myself and told them a little about may life and background. >> was there any question you were going to be hired as the nanny? >> i don't believe that martin would have had me come and help if his children objected strongly to me.
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>> what happens next? obviously we also heard, not just from macneill's lofrl but we've heard from one of his daughters who very much believe he did this. will his yichkt daughter testify? >> a big ruling today. the judge in regard to 6-year-old ada who was the first one to final her mother and her recounting that is so far different from her father. the judge ruled today that little ada has been so tainted in the years since her mother's death because of law enforcement having her older sister alexis ask her questions that she doesn't have a memory. and not having a memory means she can't be cross examined on that. so here's what's going to h happen. she did a video interview in 2008. the jury will watch that record interview. then now 12-year-old ada will take stand for cross-examination and redirect. much more limited than what prosecutors wanted.
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>> thank you very much. >> of course the question when you're 12. so of what you quote/unquote remember is what other people put in your mind. it is such a tough question. we'll keep covering that. still outfront, the mystery of a little girl named maria. we'll go live to that. >> what if you paid taxes, big taxes and your mail did not get pick up and then your taxes went up 500%? that story is in america and it's next. i have low testosterone. there, i said it.
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we're back with the outer circle. we go to bulgaria. authorities found biological parents of the mysterious young girl known as maria. you may remember there was a family in the united states, baby lisa's parents thought it was programs their child. but the mystery is solved. and carl has been covering this story from the gypsy camp in greece. i asked how she ended up there and what's next. >> reporter: the mystery of little maria has been solved in part at least. thanks to dna match, authorities have confirm that her birth parents come from this impoverished village in central bulgaria. sasha lived in this mud brick
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one room home. they have nine other children. the mother says that originally she named the little girl stanka. what is far from clear is why the blue eyed blond baby was abandoned in a village in greece. the mother said she was working there at the time and gave the baby away to a greek roma couple because she was too poor to raise her herself. but child protection services and police believe a crime may have been committed. they believe the mother may have sole her own baby for profit. erin? >> thanks very much. now let's check in with anderson. >> tonight on the program one of the you have testimony guys admitted to losing his memory at age 44. it scares him with good reason. we'll talk to dr. sanjay gupta about the concussions and the effects on his brain.
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that story also, the latest on the alleged math teacher murder outside boston. >> we're looking forward the hearing more. the tax man threatens an historic communicate. for generations, a grach american have call an isolated barrier island off the coast of georgia home. they're now fighting to keep that handle after a sudden and huge spike in taxes. even though they get basically nothing for those taxes. no schools, no police, no services like trash pick up. >> slave descendants on georgia's island have held on to have there ancestral land since the end of the civil war. a visit to the island reveal a humble lifestyle. tunneled shade of a sprawling live oaks and curtains of spanish moss. but there is also a desperation here. >> what were the tax before? >> 2036 total. >> what did they go up to? >> $10,836.
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>> reginald saw the taxes on his family's land increase overnight more than 500%. and he is not alone. the problem, new county assessments spiked by demand for expensive vacation homes on this undeveloped island. >> how basic is life here? >> as basic as it gets snmpl he takes mow a tour down bumpy roads through island's only residential area. a place scenery rich but job poor. >> what are you getting for your. at a money? >> nothing. >> there are no paved roads. no schools, and the only ferry to the island doesn't run at night. that hasn't stopped outsiders from setting off an upscale building boom with unaffordable taxes as the fallout. >> once we lose the land through this strategy of increasing taxes, we're gone as a people. >> these residents are descend yanlts of the hundreds of slaves brought here from africa in the
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1800s. they are living remnants of what is known, fewer than 50 still live here. >> that's part of what built this country. and sapelo being the only intact communicate in the country that is left. >> for most, selling out is not an option. cornelia is nine generation sapelo. >> everything has a price. i said you don't know me. this is priceless. you don't have enough money to buy it. forget it. >> residents. they get no help from county officials. to final out why, i had hop the ferry back to the mainland where answers were unusually hard to come by. no county official we approach would agree to talk to us on camera or even return our call. we were able to reach the head of a tax assessor's board who said when it comes to preserving the culture on sapelo and taxes, they're just following state
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law. tax assessors board chairman suggest the residents brought this on themselves saying, if they hadn't started selling their property, there wouldn't be a problem. do you buy that? >> not at all. >> a group residents plans to sue what do you think about what you come out here? at the islands historic cemetery, hall can't help but get emotional thinking how the struggles of the past could be forgotten. >> they humbled themselves, most of the times in certain disgrace and weren't allowed to live. they were only allowed to survive. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: and the fight for survival continues with hopes there will be future generations calling the island home.
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♪ ♪ >> david, you mentioned the county official suggested the problem with the taxes is just because the residents had land, he said absolutely not but how did others respond to that question? >> reporter: they feel like they are caught in an economic vice because there are no jobs on the island and there isn't much economic opportunity there. the job prospects on the mainland are limited when the ferry runs until 5:30 at night. they don't have much more than land and need help from the county to hold on it. what happens, a long-time resident passes away and wills that property onto the later generation that no longer live there and has no interest on holding the property. little by little they are losing the community. >> incredible to get that kind of tax increase and no
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accountability for county officials. up next, the controversy over the "blackfish."
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our eighth story out front, does captivity amount to torture? the documentary "blackfish "says it keeps them deadly.
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it tell the story of tilikum. that wasn't the first incident with this killer whale. there were more and martin savidge is out front. >> reporter: colin beard grew up on the southern tip of vancouver island. as a teenager, he started working at a local marine park called sea land of the pacific. >> i would go after school and weekends as, you know, growing up and just thought that's how everybody grew up. >> reporter: sea land of the pacific used to be here. there is nothing left of the old place. it was an ocenanarium. an aquarium built in the ocean and separated the say lions he became a trainer. his favorite a small male named tilikum. >> he was very easy to work with. he was very easy going. he learned quickly. he learned well. >> reporter: among other trainers, 20-year-old keltie
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burn. on february 20th, 1991 she had just finish add show with the killer whales when she slipped and fell into their enclosure. beard arrived minutes later. >> they were surprised one of their trainers seemingly jumped into the pool, although fallen, and they were sort of excited about that. it was something completely out of the norm. >> reporter: witnesses say the whales, including tilikum kept burn from reaching the side, repeatly pulling her under water sbl they couldn't get her and finally she -- she didn't come up anymore. >> reporter: beard, a trained diver, volunteered to go and retrieve burn's body. >> the co-worker just suffered, drowned in someway related to the animals that are now in the tank that you are about to go in with? >> yeah, but this wasn't an a malicious attack, it was an accident. >> reporter: the coroner's inquest listing the drawning due
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to or consequence of forced submission by orca, killer whales. she was the first trainer ever killed. >> oh my goodness. it was awful. it was awful for everybody. people in general just couldn't believe what had happened right here in our own backyard. >> reporter: not long after, sea land shut down and tilikum was sold to sea world in orlando but residents would hear about tilikum again. >> sheriff deputies identified a 27-year-old man found dead in a killer whale's tank. >> reporter: in 1999 a man's naked body was crepe draped on tilikum's body. in 2010 tilikum pulled dawn brancheau in the tank to her death. when he first met tilikum he had no problem with captivity and killer whales but three decades and three deaths later, he definitely does. do you blame him? >> i don't blame him, no.
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these would never have happened if he had been left in the north atlantic. >> reporter: martin savidge, cnn. >> the film taking a strong position on orcas in captivity. if you missed black fish you can catch it tonight 8:30 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. hope you have a wonderful weekend and i'll see you on monday night. let's hand it over now to anderson. . erin thanks. he is losing his hearing and hit after nfl hit took on his brain. brett favre and the terrifying disease that took so many big name lives. also a secret field in the disappearance of jonbenet ramsey. how close her parents were to facing charges. friends damage control after allegations the nsa just didn't
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have capacity to spy on you and me but some of america's most powerful allies. the most talented player, brett favre. he spent 20 years on the field playing 321 straight games before retiring. he's the league's all-time leading passer, known for toughness. now in an interview with espn radio, favre who is 44 revealed he's suffering memory problems. here is what he said. >> i don't remember my daughter playing soccer, youth soccer one summer. i don't remember that. now i got a pretty good memory, and i have a tendency like we probably all do, you forget where is my glasses and they are on my head. i have that but this was socking to me one summer