tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN October 28, 2013 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
terrific. >> and you all agree was governor schweitzer was a great fill-in host. weigh in on our fire back question. right now 61% of you think it will be viewed as a success. 39% say it will be viewed as a failure. >> wow. >> surprising. the debate continues on cnn.com/crossfire. from the right, i'm s.e. cupp. >> and from the left i'm allen schweitzer. >> erin burnett starts right now. america spying on its closest friends. more questions about which world leaders are targeted by the nsa, and why the president claims he knew nothing about it. plus a massive man hunt under wray tonight. prisoners off the run after taking an unusual escape route. let's go out front.
and good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight. breaking news under pressure. the obama administration has just authorized the release of more details about the american government's collection of telephone data. the director of national intelligence, james clapper just said this in a statement. their declassification is not done lightly. i have determined, however, that the harm to national security from the release of these documents is outweighed by the public interest. now clapper and other officials are all going to be testifying in detail about this program on capitol hill tomorrow. the white house, though, so far has begged ignorance. but what exactly is the president's role? here's what we know. now hear me out here. a u.s. official tells cnn tonight that president obama was briefed on u.s. spying program, including the one that targeted
world leaders when he took over the white house from president george w. bush. they say he also would have been told which countries were being targeted in those brifings, but then senior official still insists to cnn that president obama didn't learn until recently. so which of these sources are telling the truth? jim sciutto is out front. >> reporter: administration officials tell cnn the spying of loaders of close allies such as german chancellor angela mergle took place bout president obama's knowledge. a senior official says it's not reasonable to expect that the president would have been involved in or necessarily briefed on decisions about individual intelligence targets. in an interview at the fusion cable network president obama says his administration is reviewing the way it collects intelligence. >> what we've seep over the last several years is their capaci
capacities continue to develop and expand. and that's why we're initiating a review that what they're able to do doesn't mean that's what they should be doing. the national security operations generally have one purpose. and that is to make sure that the american people are safe. >> reporter: whether listening in on the leaders of close allies saves lives, the white house didn't have an answer. although it reaffirmed it is reassessing such high level surveillance as part of its review. they went head to head with congressional leaders on nsa spying. their discussion was frank. you had a very stern message to deliver. >> i think we had a very robust and strong message. this mass surveillance which has come through the allegations is something that's disserving. they feel very uneasy. they don't know why it's
happening, why their strongest ally is doing it. >> reporter: and today they had more to talk about regarding spain when they collected data from 60 million phone calls in 30 days, leading to one more u.s. ambassador's summon to explain. they tell me that the nsa surveillance in spain and france only included meta data, only the content, but it is the spying on heads of state that is causing the greatest outrage. they say this does not mean the nsa was going rogue or operating out of bounds, but part of it is to ensure they are getting effective guidance from policymakers. it seems to me they were not getting that effective guidance because they were going ground what the president knew or appeared to have authorized. >> jim sciutto trying to get at the heart of the problem here. thank you for being with us. let he ask you this question --
do you believe the president knew not just the spying on u.s. allies but specifics, things like the u.s. was tapping their cell phones. do you believe that he knew and knew since i took office or do you believe the other option which is he just found out. >> i have no way of saying he did or he didn't. but he is the chief executive of the united states. underneath him is the intelligence services. and he can get from them whatever information he wants, whether they, whether they gave him details of this or not, i can't say, but i will tell you this. you know, within the intelligence community, this brouhaha, this public brouhaha that is getting so much in the headlines is just not viewed as that huge deal, because collection of information by countries commonly called spying
is ubiquitous. used by everybody. >> first to follow up on this point about what the president knew and when he knew it -- let's just say he didn't know the specifics. shouldn't he have? i mean, you may be right. everybody's going to monitor whatever they can monitor. but the truth of the matter is, if we're monitoring the cell phone of an ally like germany, right, angela merkle, the president should know, shouldn't he? >> erin, thayere are thousands intelligence data developeda a y every day. when you look at them, you say hindsight is 20/20. if there's something critical in that information the president should know about it. if it's collection information there's no possible way he or anybody else could know what facts are collected every day. >> you're a republican senator
sort of defending the idea he might not have known. look, spying on the world leader of another major country is just a policy the president should have been aware of. but let me ask you about this, sir. because some folks on both sides of the aisle are defending what the nsa are doing and they're defending it point blank. and one of them might surprise you. here we go. >> they also rely on a lot of the information we gather to protect themselves. >> it keeps the french safe, the u.s. safe, the european allies safe. >> i recall landing in iran a few years ago and seeing a lot of german business men and they were violate gt sanctions. just because a country is your ally doesn't mean they're doing everything consistent with your policy, wouldn't that explain the monitoring and mean that the germans and everybody else would monitor american phones if they could too, that all this quote-unquote spying is okay? and saying that the u.s. is sorry should defend it? >> there's all kinds of
explanations. but we get these other countries come to us all the time and they are very happy that we are doing monitoring of some of their citizens, because we share information with them just as they do share information with us. but, you know, any of us that are in this business, any country thee we go to, whether it's friend, foe or a neutral country, every piece of equipment we take is swept when we go in, when we come out. this is yew pick whib ubiquitou. nobody's asked yet the french or the germans or the spanish to say okay, who are you listening to? what collection are you doing? on who? you'd probably get them stuttering and stammering and say we'll neither admit or deny just like the u.s. agencies do. >> it's kind of amazing your point, which is sometimes you gather, you gather so much. seems like we're gathering so
m much we don't know what we're gathering. they are apologetic and said they're going to go make some changes. >> we recognize that there need to be additional constraints on how we gather and use intelligence. >> so does he have a point? that there should be additional constraints? or is that basically unilaterally disarming as someone told me today, that the u.s., if it backs down now and stops doing this monitoring, it would be very damaging possibly for the security of the u.s. as well as its allies? >> what he said was the diplomatic correct thing to say. the executive branch is in charge of this. they know what they've got to look at in order to keep america safe. this is not ha partisan issue. this is a bipartisan issue. we all agree that we've got to do the kind of intelligence gathering that we do in order to keep americans safe. >> so you don't think they're
going to back off unnecessarily. they're going to say the right thing, but they're going to do what they need to do. >> the other side would say the same thing under the similar circumstances. >> thank you. we appreciate it. and still, a math teacher found dead in the woods behind her school, they say a student committed the crime. and we learn more about her from her family. plus a massive man hunt is under way. two prisoners are still on the loose. they escaped under the noses of guards. and chris brown arrested over the weekend for assault, a major decision and charges tonight. we'll have that coming up. ido more with less with buless energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance,
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our second story out front, a murdered math teacher remembered today. they packed a church to say good-bye to colleen ritzer. she was killed buttally last week. she was found dead behind the school on wednesday. one of her students, 14 year old philip chism has been charged with her murder. >> reporter: many of the mourners wore pink, a small tribute to the teacher who made a big impact. >> she saw the goodness in people, she had a gift for doing that. >> reporter: it's estimated 1,000 people came to the funeral at ritzer's home church in andover, massachusetts. among them, students who wanted to honor their beloved teacher. a source close to the investigation says chism killed her in the girls bathroom with a
box cutter he found in the school. police escorted ritzer's hearse and an honor guard saluted her. her cuousin yule jieded her. there is still the painful question, why? prosecutors still haven't pointed to a motive. new details shed some light on philip chism's past. legal paipers show his father hd limited contact with him because of alcohol abuse. now his mother is speaking up saying that her heart is broken for the ritzer family. she says her son was born in love and is dear to her. very dear. she is struggling to understand th
this. and while families struggle for answers, the friends and family will struggle for years to come. >> there's going to be a void in our hearts that i don't know that anything can ever fill that. >> reporter: two prisoners remain on the loose. now two others were captured. but the four pulled off a daring breakout by climbing out a ceiling hatch in the shower. and went through a pipe that led them outside the jail facility. how did they pull this off? george howell begins out front. >> reporter: right back to where they started from. we watched as authorities drove two of four jail escapees who have about on the run since sunday back into the very walls
that ultimately failed to confine them. the caddo county sheriff confirmed that the two were arrested today in a nearby town. both were considered armed and dangerous. should people be worried that these people are on the street? >> sure. anytime they break out, they should be more aware of their surrounding. >> reporter: it's the simple fact that this jailbreak happened that's even more troubling. >> there is a design flaw in it that you can get in the shower, climb up and get out. >> reporter: the men busted through a maintenance hatch above the shower in the jail. they crawled through a pipe space right beneath the roof where the air conditioning and plumbing sichlt then they knocked out a cement block to get to another room. that took them directly to an
unlocked side door which they pushed open to freedom. >> reporter: was this a design flaw? >> dno, i don't think it's a design flaw. it's something we'll have to investigate. the jail was well-built. >> reporter: the sheriff said this is not a design flaw. >> well, somewhere it screwed up somewhere. might not be a design flaw, but somebody's got some explaining to do. >> reporter: our camera caught contractors back on the job repairing the damage created by the jailbreak, but could this happen again? not even the sheriff could say for certain. >> i can't say that it won't happen again. there's lots of ways, you know, that people escape jails. i can't say it won't happen again. we hope it don't happen again. >> a pretty frightening answer. how did they catch the two prisoners back in custody, and where are the others?
>> reporter: erin, that's the big question, the million dollars question. where are the others? and there's definitely a search under way for them. as far as the two that were captured, it really came do you know to the watchful eye of an investigator with the grady county office. he noticed two men on the street that seemed suspicious. their clotheclothes, he describm as wet and dirty and the men matched the description that authorities were looking for. he contacted the police, they gave chase and were able to catch them. the question is where are the other men. authorities have some belief that they could be in that chick shay area. >> i'm still sort of doumb founded by the assertion that there may not be a design flaw. a boy shot and killed by police. they thought his toy gun was
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on our fourth story out front is chris brown. he was arrested early sunday for allegedly attacking another man, breaking his nose. the 24 year old has recently become more famous for his meltdowns than his music. appalling that he remain famous at all for what he did before, for attacking his girlfriend rheanna years ago. >> reporter: pandemonium as
chris brown leaves court and acknowledges his fans with a peace sign. inside the court he got a break. a felony assault charge reduced to a misdemeanor. he did not enter a plea, but his attorneys said this. >> christopher brown did no crime. we understand that his security acted to protect mr. brown and his property as they are authorized to do under law. we are confident that mr. brown will be exonerated of any wrongdoing. >> reporter: brown was in town to host this party. the victim tried to get into a photo of brown and a female fan. brown said, quote, i'm not down with that gay expletive. and i feel like boxing. they say that brown and his body guard each punched him in the
face. >> you know, he was hurt. he was full of blood. i'm thinking about the nose. >> i didn't see him throwing any punches whatsoever. >> reporter: this could have severe consequences for the popular r&b singer. brown who signed his first record deal at age 15 is serving probation for the what happened with rheanna. her bruised and bloody face shown in this picture from tmz. his probation was revoked briefly this year after a hit-and-run accident when a woman said he went ballistic on her after rear ending her car. he was given an additional 1,000 hours of community service. but stipulations from the rheanna case require him to stay out of all legal trouble. >> a newcrime even without a conviction can trigger a violation of that probation and the judge can decide to send him
to state prison for the duration of his probation. >> and this is one of those things that you think part of the reason why this guy still matters is because we the people are still interested in him. so who's to blame. i know you have some new information that you were just able to get. >> reporter: that's right. we just got these documents from the court. it's a series of witness and police statements about the incident. now right after the incident occurred on saturday night/sunday morning, he went into his tour bus that was parked nearby. the police officer who came and interviewed him at that time stated that the police, that the officer asked him whether he had had a confrontation with the victim. and according to this victim, brown said, no. i was on the bus when i guess somebody tried to get on and my bodyguard handled it. and according to this document, chris brown denied punch being the victim. as we know from the police report, the victim said brown and his bodyguard did the
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welcome back to the second half of out front. president obama hacked. some of the president's 39 million followers clicked on the link of a washington post story today and instead of going to the washington post, they got a propaganda video about syria. you may have heard of them, they've claimed responsibility. organizing for action, which is the group which controls @barack obama tried to down play the incident. but we obtained these screen shots which show the hacker group broke into the president's twitter account and hacked into a campaign staffer's e-mail. well, penn state university is paying nearly $60 million to settle claims from 26 victims of jerry sandusky. it's not clear when those
settlements were made or how the money is being divided among those 26, but what it means is that they aren't able to sue anymore. an attorney for the man known as victim five told us that he isn't necessarily happy about the settlement, but he is relieved. jerry sandusky was convicted of 45 counts related to the 99abus of young boys. after five people were hurt on a ride at a north carolina state fair, the ride operator has been charged with three counts of assault with a deadly weapon. the ride staopped. and as people were getting off, it restarted. the 911 calls depict a frantic scene. >> the ride turned upside down and dumped everybody out. there are people hurt really,
really bad. >> they said the devices had been tampered with. he said that he was devastated and would never intentionally harm anyone. concerns about apple's growth are growing. sales and profits were better than people were looking for. and apple sold about 35 million iphones. that's more than people were looking for. now the bad news. profit margins which is the be all and end all here are shrinking at apple. and the progression of the ipad and iphone are not helping that. apple can pretty much buy whatever it wants. in a letter to ceo t cook, one investor is asking them to buy this -- tesla. you might think, whoa, strange. but cars are run by computers.
and they're really the last the frontier to be ipaded up. the republican party needse solution is his daughter. >> i believe the republican party is in trouble. we've lost the last two presidential elections, and we badly need to bring along a new generation of talent. >> he didn't say it, but women. cheney touted his daughter's credentials, two tours at the state department and a mother of five. she says the man she's running against is not a batted guy. another website failure. a malfunction crashed the site yesterday. just after kathleen sebelius praised it as a model of sufficiency and security.
that malfunction was fixed, but it is the tip of the proverbial iceberg and no one is taking responsibility for all that has gone wrong with the website. the question is -- and there must be an answer to this at some point -- where does the buck stop? it would seem like an easy question to answer. but how did it go so wrong sno. >> it would seem that way. we know this. the obama care girl who was on the cover here, smiling young woman, has disappeared. we don't know why. maybe she's not smiling amid all these problems, but it's just as well. because too many people were involved with this from the start. that's what we're learning. how did this go so wrong? in a perfect world most agree that it should have gone like this. president obama would have outlined some goals. kathleen sebelius would come up with a plan to reach those goals. an agency, in this case, the
centers for medicaid and medicare centers would hire computer services to make it happen. and voila, there is your fully functioning website. but it appears there was a political as well as a practical side to this effort. as the policymakers dreamed up things for the website to do, programmers weren't always in the loop to discuss if it was possible. furthermore, you saw a few more of the big companies hired being grilled on what went wrong. but there were dozens of subcontractors down here running hundreds of millions of lines of computer code. testimony indicates some had little knowledge of how their work would coordinate with the work of others. they faced changing demands as political fights raged and communications between them were all sketchy. so you ended up with this incredibly tangled web of lines between here and the white house and everyone. and in the end, plenty of commands were being given, but no one person was clearly in
charge, including the president, who, as his own officials now say, was unaware that this tangled mess was building down here. so the problem in finding who to blame is to say somebody had to be responsible. and effectively everybody in the chain was saying, no, somebody else was in charge of this part of it. that's why it's hard to pin it on one person. >> and do they try to pin it on a person no one heard of? or do they say the buck stops at the kathleen sebelius level? it gets worse. it's not like let's just go untal tangle the web. they're saying you might have to start from scratch. rewrite millions of lines of computer code to fix this. should they just possibly scrap the whole thing and start again as some in congress have suggested? or no? >> you're absolutely right. there are some who say shut it all down, start all over. but the administration basically says no.
considering this website has already cost more than $300 million. and parts of it are working despite all of these troubles. so the white house has now put one guy in charge, jeffrey zients with one company acting as the gem contra as the general contractor. and if they do this, they can have the website off the critical list by the end of november. if you see more things happen like happened this past weekend, you will hear more calls from people saying scrap the whole thing, throw away the money, start over, even if you want obama care to work. and some, of course, don't want it to work. >> but even some that do are coming around to that point. in our sixth story tonight, terror is on the rise. this is a stark assessment. and it is obtained exclusively by cnn. it is found a stunning rise in
terrorist attacks the. the attacks are becoming even more deadly. >> reporter: it's not your imagination. terrorists are launching more attacks like this deadly assault on a nairobi mall. and it's likely the world will see even more violence next year. cnn obtained exclusive access to an upcoming report from stark, a group that tracks terrorism around the world. it found there were 69% more terrorist attacks in 2012 than the year before, there was an 89% jump in deaths. and with well over 5,000 attacks in june of this year, the future looks even deadlier. >> i think we will see that reflected in even more violence in 2013 and even higher numbers. >> reporter: this was the terrorism coordinator at the state department. he says many of today's militant
groups judge success by the number of people killed, including civilians. >> the old red lines. the old barriers are all gone. >> reporter: six of the seven deadliest groups are affiliated with al qaeda, including the taliban and boke owe har am. muslims of a different sect is driving it higher. >> it's like warfare using the tools of terrorism. >> reporter: but the violence is more concentrated than you might think. try countries, iraq, pakistan and afghanistan suffered more than half the attacks and the casualtie casualties. the threat to civilians in the u.s. and western europe and eastern asia may be declining, which is good news for the citizens that live there.
erin? >> all right, chris, thank you very much. that brings us back to our question of the night. does changes in the nsa and the spying, will that change that or not? rapper jay z say he is being unfairly criticized. two people were detained by police when they bought expensive things. hundreds have taken to twitter demanding jay z end his partnership with barneys. this puts jay z in a rather awkward position. he's about to launch a collection of clothing, jewelry. the money from the deal is going to a charity. it's not like he's keeping it for himself. the question is, will sticking with barneys hurt his brand as a rapper? the truth is probably not. he and his wife beyonce have had a stream of other income.
jay z is worth $500 million. and when you add that to his wife, they have well over a billion dollars. which brings me to tonight's number. 3.6 million. according to the luxury institute. that is the average worth of a barney's shopper. they are incredibly wealthy. and even though he may not like probably not a boycott strong enough for him to change. is the site of the winter games too dangerous? and new details in the case of a boy shot to death by the police. they thought his toy gun was real. and tonight we know why the nib is effecting. [ male announcer ] this is not just a laptop.
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party power in lockdown. at monday, a jeep charged into throngs of tourists and caught fire. the driver and two passengers killed. at least tourists killed and dozens injured. apparent lay, this car drove out from this road down this way, crashed through a barricade outside the entrance to the forbidden city, opposite tiananmen square. this area is probably one of the most sensitive in china. and right now, if i look, you can see there are no tourists here in this area. normally, it's absolutely jam-packed. >> that's pretty amazing just to see it russian president vladimir putin promises gay athletes and visitors will not face discrimination at the olympics
in sochi. with the olympics just 100 days away, is sochi safe? this is a crucial question and is it ready for all the crowds? phil black is out front. >> reporter: from a distance, this olympic path looks close to ready, shining new sports images, being tested. but look closely, there is still so much to do. top of the list, finish the stadium. it is not hosting the sport, but will be the stage for the opening ceremony. the people directing that issued that directives be changed, including a booth. russia says it will be on time, a statement to the world. one reason why vladimir putin is taking such a close look. the director says that putin's regular visits and direct oversight have made a big difference.
>> you're seeing things happen? >> yes. >> sochi's other challenge, overhauling the soviet infrastructure, the skyline is a mass of cranes and partially completed buildings, many of them much-needed hotels. and then the traffic. it is appalling. they insist that somehow it will be fixed in three months. security is an especially big concern at the games, because the islamist terrorists have promised to disrupt them. and mother nature can't even deliver the white stuff. it is sub-tropical, so the snow is patchy, that is why they brought in vast amounts of snow, just in case. cnn, phil black, sochi. and now, let's check in with wolf blitzer, coming up. >> thank you, erin, one year after superstorm sandy and one
year after promises from officials as high up as the president himself that they would not be forgotten, people in so many parts of the new york area say well, they feel forgotten, tonight, you will meet the ones caught in a catch 22 of paperwork and promises, still waiting for the help them promised to arrive. also tonight, a high profile rapist, known as the pillowcase rapist, when -- when he terrorized the community, now being released back into the community. so where should he go? we're digging deeper into that with our legal panel, coming up. all right, wolf, we're looking forward to that discussion. now, our story out front, a teen carrying a rifle, tonight, there are preparations under way for a 13-year-old who was shot several times last week by a california sheriff's deputy. the tragedy happened after the teen here you see was spotted
carrying a pellet gun. it looked like an assault rifle. but now the fbi is conducting an investigation. and dan simon is out front. >> reporter: an ak-47 replica, mistaken for the real thing. the deputy fired 13 rounds at lopez, killing him. >> the reports were he asked the boy to drop the weapon and he didn't drop it. >> andy was not that type, andy, if he knew it was a sheriff, if he was asked, andy would have dropped it. i don't believe that at all. >> family and friends have held rallies, calling the shooting a combination of unnecessary force and profiling. some say he was profiled because he was hispanic, walking through a rough neighborhood. >> we want him to be prosecuted for what he did. he took somebody's life. you know, he had just turned 13.
you know, we want justice for andy. and until we get that we are not going to stop marching. >> i understand that the community is angry and sad and this is a horrible tragedy for all involved. >> sonoma county sheriff told us he could not go into details of the case. but he confirmed the deputy who fired the shots is eric gillhouse, an iraq war veteran. >> eric is a solid employee and trains new people for us. that shows the level of respect we have for eric and his position here. >> investigators say only ten seconds passed from the moment gillhouse and his partner called back to say that shots were fired. according to witnesses, at least one of the deputies took cover behind an open front door of their cruiser and one yelled
twice to drop the gun. shots were fired and the boy was pronounced dead at the scene. this teen says it is common for kids his age to play with the so-called air soft rieffles, an the deputy should know it was a fake. >> he was a firearms specialist and you should know it was a fake gun. >> if you hold them side by side, though, some experts say it is hard to tell. >> i mean, a 13-year-old to be carrying an ak-47 like that. you know what i mean? those are heavy, not like guns, i held a real one myself. so they're not like guns for a 13-year-old to be just holding it like it is nothing. >> and this is the area where the boy was shot. you can see this makeshift memorial that has been growing every day. you see candles and flowers and balloons. and erin, it is very important to point out. we don't know exactly how the boy was holding the gun. all we know is that the officer
apparently felt threatened. another potential issue is that the soft rifle was missing its orange cap which was required by law. so obviously, the deputy didn't realize it was a toy. >> and because the orange cap was not there. and you also talk about it was just seconds before they reported it and they were shooting. obviously, that raises questions, too. what is the status of this deputy at this point? >> the deputy is on paid administrative leave. and we should point out that according to the sheriff, he has been getting a lot of death threats. he is at an undisclosed location. we should tell you the case is being investigated by two police departments in the area as well as the fbi. and that could continue for several weeks, erin. all right, dan, thank you, reporting live from that scene. and up next, this is going to be great, i promise you. the new bob marley. goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do.
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and stand-up. it has got great lines about how she sits in the back seat. he created it to draw attention to how women are not allowed to drive in the entire country of saudi arabia. and he timed the song to hit the web on saturday, the day of the country's women's driving campaign. 35 women, you see a woman here, broke the law by driving cars and then posting videos of themselves on youtube. now you might say, 35, that is a big deal? well, yes, it is, because the female driving ban is not a silly thing or a thing that is not enforced. in fact, one of the strange things in saudi arabia is seeing men driving, most of whom are from southeast asia, and the women sitting the back seat. these women are very courageous, letting us see their faces. because of fear, this is why so few did it. they watched more than 90 million videos, which is more than any other country in the world.
youtube is how saudis saw the women driving, and youtube can help to spark serious change. so think about this way, 60% of college students are female, and only 10% of the women actually have jobs, the lowest rate in the region. and even though it seems small in comparison, if you can't drive, how do you get to work? in saudi arabia, to not drive is to not be a person. and that is what those women on youtube and the video are now trying to change. "ac360" starts now. erin, thanks, tonight the nsa phone-tapping scandal deepens and the questions grow louder about what the president knew about the operation and if he didn't know, why not? also today, a year after sandy people who need help rebuilding say they're being left high and dry a year later. look at these two, they stepped out of the shower and literally climbed out of jail, we'll update you on the escapnd