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rob ford doll, pull the string and it smokes crack. of course within an hour or two of going on sale, they were already popping up online. offered for prices as high as $500 to a laughable $25,000. okay, so some say the bobblehead doesn't really look like the mayor. the original mockup seemed closer than the finished product. the makers say they use artistic license to make people look as good as they can. it's the bobblehead diet. sheds pounds, adds hair. cnn, new york. >> thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts now. >> the city council confronting
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their crack-smoking mayor, officially calling on him to take a leave of absence and get his life in order. but how will he respond? also, this hour, alec baldwin's bizarre day in court. tearing-eyed testimony about the woman he calls his stalker. and today it's her turn to tell her side. and, prepare to be inspired by a young man who is a free man today after spending a third of his life behind bars all the while trying to prove he was innocent. it's the story of forgiveness that you will not soon forget. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. it's wednesday, november 13th. welcome to "legal view." shock, scandal be, and outrage. that's all one thing. but now the mess in toronto is getting serious. as we speak, that man, and the city council that he represents, they're all dealing with emotion right now to specifically
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suggest that toronto mayor rob ford take a leave of absence over his substance abuse issues. you know the substances i'm talking about, one of it starts with a "c" rhymes with whack. let's listen. >> toronto is distract and for good reason. our city's reputation has been damaged and continues to suffer. and is it has become difficult to focus on the pressing and substantive issues facing the city council. together we stand to ask you to step aside and take a leave of absence to address your challenges privately, outside of the public eye. >> cnn's paula newtown is watching all of this unfolding live. there are two motions as i understand it, paula, that are in play today. what are they and more prnt importantly, does either of them have any teeth when it comes to rob ford? >> absolutely no teeth. i know many people will be
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surprised to hear that. but what people are talking about here is having the morale authority to ask him to step aside and then to apologize for his actions. it's getting pretty ugly here. we are in a five-minute recess. there was a commotion in city council. the mayor got up. there are lots of accusations right now about decorum and who is speaking when. the actual motion itself won't even be debated until at least 30 or 40 minutes from now. they are broadcasting the council meeting here in the main hall. many people around the world ri riveted by what's going on. the mayor and his brother are saying we are going to stand our ground. the mayor says he will not step down and face all the people on council. now two-thirds of council steadfastly against him wanting him to step down voluntarily. something he still says he
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refuses to do. >> so one of the members of council not in that percentage that wants him to step down would be his brother doug a councillor as well. how is he factoring in to today's hearing? >> reporter: he's made comments to us this morning saying that this is a waste of taxpayer money. he said this is going to be a blood bath and public flogging. they're making it seem, certainly the ford family, that want the council wants is a kind of public punishment for rob ford. they're trying to save their own political skins. again, this is getting incredibly ugly from that point of view. and doug ford saying himself he doesn't expect any kind of decorum out of this meeting. having said that, speaking to the deputy mayor, he's saying, look, he wants this to be reasonable, responsible, and very quick. but that does mean that he's going to be up there at city
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council basically having an inquisition about things that are very personal. >> extraordinarily. thank you. i don't want to keep you from your coverage. i know you're only in a short recess. one of the things that you've been hearing about is councillors who brought forth these motions. one of the councillors who brought forth one of those motions used to be a big supporter of rob ford. here in america we tend to think it's politicalized for a political gain for a political party, but in this case, maybe not so. there's a councillor, again a big supporter of rob ford, brought fords instead what you're hearing today, the demand that he apologize and take a leave of action. he just stood up right before paula left that room and had this to say about something eth was a personal confrontation between himself and the mayor.
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>> he stood in a way and blocked my path in a threatening way in a way that i have never experienced on my time on this council. >> you're too much buddy. >> i would ask that he apologize. >> you should be ashamed. >> i just don't know what to say. you can hear in the background, you're too much. councillor ford, i'm assuming that means brother. unless they happen to call the mayor councillor as well. but danny cevallos, i don't know what to begin to ask you ton this one. when paula newtown said there's no teeth, there are no teeth that they have to get rid of this man? >> no. there's no mechanism in this canada to impeach 4i78 unless and until he's convicted of a crime. and i might add, even though he's made admissions and there's video, even in canada it would
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be exceedingly difficult to get a drug conviction case without a seizure analysis. but the bottom line is, he has not been convicted yet and there simply isn't a mechanism. motion today is a motion to agree that crack is bad. that's about it. >> i mean, it sounds crazy. i just want to also let our viewers know that that comment that you just heard from that councillor, was referring to an incident today. literally today. that councillor had that run-in with the mayor. it's just astounding that this is continuing to go on. i'm sure it very shameful for a lot of people in canada. it's is very embarrassing situation for them. but short of that charge, is it a charge or a conviction? which one is it? >> appears to be a conviction. that's how he weak the whatever the charter is that governs the particular jurisdiction is that he simply cannot be removed.
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that's why when we talk about not having teeth. literally the only motions at issue today are a motion to agree that we do not like your behavior and ask, not order, but ask the mayor to take a leave the absence. >> that's the one that's nonbinding. apparently the second motion, it's confusing, but it would take his powers away by suspending his authority to dismiss the deputy mayor and use his executive committee powers to run the budget process. this story continues. don't go anywhere. stick around for a moment. we've got a lot of other cases that we're covering on "legal view." and just ahead, they are desperate for food and water. philippine yoez who are struggling to find what they need simply to survive. it's just utter devastation there. when they discover the remains of missing loved ones, it's heart wrenching. we're back right after this. [ imitating car engine ] that's mine. ♪
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hungry, suffering and filled with despair. people in the typhoon ravaged area of the philippines are desperately waiting for help right now. the number of dead now stands at 2,275. 3,665 have been hurt in this storm. and 660,000 have nowhere to go. they are homeless. just take a look at these pictures. they'll give you an idea of what tacloban, the hardest hit area looked like before. and watch the transition. that's the after picture. just a remarkable change. miles and miles of rubble.
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the before and after the tacloban. the world food program has sent at least 2700 tons of rice to the philippines. but once it gets to the islands, it's hard to get it to the people who need it. anderson cooper was there. and i don't think he was prepared about what he was going to coming across. but when you come across people who have lost their entire families and are still sitting amongst their corpses, it's overwhelming. >> reporter: in tacloban, the misery is beyond meaning. >> this is your home? >> yes. >> the first -- the first, she says, our house was one of the first to come down. >> reporter: she sought shelter from the storm surge in this bus with her husband and six children. she survived. they were swept away. >> and has anyone come to help
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you? >> translator: i really want to see them, she says, even if it's just just their bodies. she has found the body of her husband and shows us the bodies of three of her children. she's covered the kids as best she can. now she searches for her three other children. she doesn't believe they survived the storm. >> where will you sleep tonight? >> here in the street. anywhere. i don't know where i go. >> reporter: in tacloban, there isn't anyplace to go. this woman is living in a make-shift shelter. his wife jena and daughter are covered with sacks nearby. >> translator: i want somebody to collect their bodies and i want to know where they're taken.
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>> he cooked race and noodles for his neighbors. he's desperate to tell his mother that he and his daughter survived though his wife and two other children are dead. we dialed her number on our satellite phone. >> [ speaking foreign language ]. >> translator: they're gone, they're all gone, he says. >> mama! [ crying ] >> [ speaking foreign language ]. >> translator: i don't know why this happened to me. >> reporter: you won't find answers here in tacloban, only find loss and misery. with so little help, that is just not going away. anderson cooper, cnn, tacloban, philippines. >> outstanding reporting by anderson cooper. i know when you watch that, you can't watch that without feeling something deep. and you want to help you to
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help. if you want to reach out to the survivors, go to cnn.com/impact. there's an arare of different charitable organizations. all of them you can trust. we enkurng you to go and check that out and do what you can to help those people out. i want to take you live back to toronto right now. just before we went to cover the typhoon aftermasds, we were telling youbout the kuskss that a city council member is making about rob ford physically plok his pads this morning. rob ford is addressing that now. >> we have an agenda that we're here to do. it's our job to get this agenda through. >> madame chair, this is nothing more important than how this council operates and that we're free to take our positions and act on behalf of the best sfw of the city. i refer you to the council assisted me with this, rule 27-47.
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if a member disobeys a rule or a chair's ruling, and he fails to apologize, that you have to give him a -- that you are required to give or you may give a verbal warning to the member. that's the only remedy available. i would ask you that you use that remedy. [ applause ] >> okay. okay. mayor ford, i did say when we started that in fact i did not hear you, but there were members of council that did. so i'm asking you, i'm asking you, mayor, if you would please apologize so we can continue with the agenda. that's my ruling. >> madame speaker, apologize for following the rules and asking the other members of council to follow the rules? that's what i'm apologizing for? i don't think there's a apology necessary. if it i said something derogatory or did what he's accusing me of. yes i would apologize. but i did not say that. madame clerk was right there.
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all i did was ask him to take a seat. not walk around. that's it. there's nothing to apologize about. >> mayor ford. >> i'm not going to apologize. if i did something wrong, i would apologize. i did absolutely nothing wrong besides ask them to take a seat, like you do every ten times a meeting u tell members to take their seat when people are asking questions. that's all i did. >> council member felt that you said it in a manner that was threatening. that's why it's -- >> i'm sorry. you know -- you know what? >> okay. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you, mayor ford. thank you mayor ford. >> i didn't mean to -- >> mayor ford, that's all i wanted you to say.
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okay. councillor grimes, are you up on a point of order or point of personal privilege? personal privilege, councillor grimes. >> i would like to remind my colleagues for what it's worth, it's world kindness day. >> so what, we should all give each other a hug today. >> okay. okay. so toronto city council is going to give each other a hug right now. what you just saw was the city councillor demanding an apology for the mayor for getting in his way and saying something derogatory. the mayor refusing to give that apology. and then a miscommunication where the speaker asked him for the apology and he said i'm sorry -- i believe he may have been saying i'm sorry i'm not going to do that. but they cut his mic and they said, there you go. we got the "i'm sorry" out.
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so you undoubtedly know that things aren't going well in washington. i know you know that all the time. but particularly when it comes to obama care in the hot seat today in yet another committee hearing. right now, in fact that man is
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mr. cao, he's the deputy chief information officer for the center of medicare and medicaid services. they're responsible for getting the whole obama care website rolled out. but the big i.t. guy has also been sitting in the chair. and before i get to that, there's other breaking news. democrats who increasingly are getting very frustrated what what's going on with obama care, a piece of legislation, many of them if not all of them signed onto, very angry with what's going on and starting to demand big answers. dana bash joins me live from capitol hill. they're demanding answers in the white house. >> reporter: it was actually a meeting here on capitol hill. it was a regular democratic caucus meeting. but members of the administration came to try to explain mayor membering on obama
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care. i'm told by several sources now who were in this meeting that it did get heated. and even members of the house democratic kau cause who are support oftive of obama care and the law, were openly fraus traded and openly demanding that the administration give answers and make changes soon. what is going on, especially in the house, as i reported with you yesterday, i was told that there's a de facto deadline this friday. and the reason is the house republicans have a vote plan that they're going to put on the floor to make clear that anybody who has their health insurance and likes what they have now, that they can keep it. basically saying that the president's promise, they have to keep that promise. now democrats think that that legislation for many reasons is flawed. by politically, ashleigh, they feel a lot of pressure to support it. because they understand that there is a lot of anchor out there from their constituents.
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that frustration was being vented, i'm told, by several sources in this meeting this morning. it really all goes to the issue, that, yes, republicans are sorts of having a field day with this because they never liked the law. but the democrats who do like the law who are increasingly upset with the administration. >> so reconciling those two thoughts, do like the law and are upset. is it fair or unfair to characterize this as they're dropping like flies, all of those democrats who at once were so in lock step with the president on this? >> i don't think we can say they're dropping like flies yet. even those who are the most critical say that they want the law to be fixed. the question is how it's fixed and when it's fixed. i think it is fair to say that theory not maybe dropping like flies, but being much more aggressive in saying to the administration that they do not
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think that this has gone well. with the political promise that the administration gave and also members of congress gave based on what they thought that the law actually did. >> you know, if you can stand by for one second. just as i was coming to you about this meeting, i was also headlining what was the lead story when i came to air and that was that todd park finally gave in and the administration put him forward to talk to the members of congress who are upset about the failings of the website. as the chief technology officer for the administration, they didn't want to him testify, but then put him forward to do so. let's hear a slight bit of what he was being forced to answer and how he handled these tough questions. >> i don't take any of this personally. it's a fast moving situation with a lot going on. what i would say is this, is that it was the case absolutely
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that volume was a key issue that hit the site. it's still an issue are for the site. we've greatly expanded and are expanding the ability for the site to accommodate volume. i relayed my best understanding at the time in each of my statements. it's the nature of things that as you do more pain staking diagnosis of a system, you learn more about what you need to do to fix it. >> i wish you could see the body language of our political panel today. we welcome you both. will, first to you, because you were dolg, oh, here we go again. i've got to ask you this, couldn't the same argument be made towards republicans. here we go again, committee meeting nba 25-ish.
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stop pulling all of the experts in and let them do their job. >> because obama care has suffered from too much oversight for the last three years. too many people had to report the numbers and the credibility of that program for the last three years. if people want answers today, they're very well entitled to them. they were told things, republicans, democrats, they were told things. i'm going to give you a chance, i promise you. >> will. >> they were told that -- if they liked their plans they get to keep them. now we're hearing numbers about the number of people who enrolled in obama care. they're including people that have it in their shopping cart. amazon doesn't run it this way. >> the point is, the congressional hearings are nothing. they're a cheap thrill and gimmick for the base. they have no relevance in addressing the issues.
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and we've seen this -- remember the irs hearings, is a lynn dra, fast and furious, they produce nothing substantively. there's no question, we know the website is broken. we know people should be entitled to the insurance plans. when people were losing 14,000 people a day were losing their insurance policies in 2008 and 2009, you never heard from the republicans or the right about the need to make sure insurance was protected. now all the sudden, this is their mission. >> that's a great point. at some point do the republicans risk a little bit of overkill. you've had it doesn't work and we're going to make sure it gets working. we've got, they don't roll out perfectly. at some point do the republicans risk kicking people when they're
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down. >> if who you mean by the people is the government and our bureaucrats who have famed this process, that's not the people. the people are the american people -- >> at what point do you -- my question wasn't tell me again about the failings. do you risk being branded as someone who is overkilling and then it could backfire. >> yes. the republicans in charge of the meg phone over the failure of this program puts skepticism in the people's eyes. the approval rating of president obama is plummeting. >> first of all, the program is not in place. the bigger point that it's not in place is a failure. and the bigger concern that i have, is the republicans when they control the house and senate for six years did nothing to provide insurance for people with preexisting conditions or people losing their policies. the only policies that the
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republicans have advocated is -- >> not withstanding the merits of all of the arguments on either site of this problem, the realityst numbers hemorrhaging. president obama is at his lowest approval rating right now. there's a poll that has him at 38% approval. and if you look at the margin of error, he mirrors president bush's approval rating after katrina when people are dying. that is a big problem. >> it's a serious problem. and the tension amongst democrats in the house and senate is also a serious program. if he can't get the website fixed and people can't get better deals when it's on that website, it will undermine his future legislative agenda. >> if i do have to say if my boss were taken out of this building for two days if we were in crisis, well would all be fraus straighted. >> hoflly he wouldn't let it get to that point.
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which may damage supporting teeth by stabilizing your partial. care for your partial. help protect your natural teeth. there have been bighoodlines in new york over the case of alec baldwin and his alleged stalker from canada. this has been a real page-turner. because in court yesterday and today, that lady on the left of your screen has had repeated out burst so bad that she has been ordered by the judge to serve 30 days in jail because she's being held in contempt of court. those outburst don't do well in front of a judge. now it turns out she's supposed to testify in this case today, we don't even know if she's going to be able now given the contempt charge. in the meantime, this case has
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been nothing short of a drama that you couldn't actually write as it's and. >> alec baldwin was greeted by a swarm of cameras he he arrived at a courthouse on tuesday. inside, things became more dramatic as the actor faced off against his alleged stalker. >> i'm still in court because i refuse that the only option was to destroy my future. >> and his emotional testimony, he said he met her through a mutual friend. at one point he joked back tears on the witness stand describing how she's harassed him and his wife for the past two years. showing up unannounced at his home in east hampton. on the stand he repeatedly denied her claims that they were once lovers. >> she has done nothing wrong
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and never had the intent to harass, annoy, alarm or cause any inconvenience to mr. and mrs. baldwin. >> as they are testifying, she made repeated outburst. you're living, he she yelled at one point. >> her outbursts are going to be a real problem for her. this judge is assessing her demeanor and credibility. even if she proves to the judge that they had a relationship, i don't know if that helps her. >> reporter: cnn obtained these emails. i am less than ten minutes away from you tonight. say, i do, to me one e-mail says. and in another, i want to be your wife now, say yes. >> no, i'm not not a stalker. >> reporter: now that the ba baldwins have taken the stand, it's her turn to testify. >> so our pamela brown filing
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that report for us. other cameras were there as well. in fact the cbs cameras that were position the outside the court room got alec baldwin as he was coming out saying i'm going to choke you and what job did you do before you failed at. this is his wife were leaving the courthouse. here is the big difference. when you say things like that outside the court room, it doesn't count towards your case. when you say stuff inside the court room, you can go to jail. we'll continue to watch that for you. we're looking at this other unbelieve case of a missouri man who walked out of prison a free man after serving a third of his life for a murder he did not do. on his list of things to do, first get new clothes, maybe get an ice cream. you're going to hear from ryan ferguson, next. we're going across america to let people try
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okay. so i want to take you live back to toronto. things are getting a little crazy. in that city council meeting that we've been following live, he's speaking following just having admitted to having purchased illegal drugs. listen in. >> have i drank and done drugs? yes, i have. but it's self-inflicted. and i hope, i hope that nobody, but nobody, goes through what i have gone through in the last few months. >> mr. mayor? do you understand that there are some people on this council floor that really want to give you an opportunity and to
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recognize that perhaps the stress and everything else that comes along with -- with addictions, possible addictions, points to particular behavior. mr. mayor, do you recognize that there are a few of us that really do want to help you? >> councillor, it was not the reason i drank or did drugs was not because of stress. it was out of sheer stupidity. that's all it was. so i'm not going to blame something. i'm not going to use an excuse or copout. i take full responsibility for my mistakes. i don't know what else i can say. i don't know what else i can say. >> there is no one else -- >> no one else to blame but myself. >> and there isn't anybody else to admit it except yourself. >> and i have admitted it over and over. and i came out and told the world. i know i embarrassed the city. >> let me say this to you. the only person that can admit to having an addiction problem is the person who has it.
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>> absolutely. >> mr. mayor, that to a person that does care, i say this to you. inward 7, we've spent 15 years trying to get rid of gang bangors. we're trying to get rid of the influence that they bring on to our children. mr. mayor, in the behavior that we have seen, some of us have seen, including myself, there are pictures of individuals that don't do good to the city that you seem to have a relationship with. do you understand that even those of us that want to help you are really concerned about these things? >> councilor, this one isolated picture in front of a garage was a one-off picture. i had never met those three men in my life. they came out and asked me to take a picture with them. and that's the god-honest truth. i have never met those people. they're in court now. i'm not part of gang bangers.
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i do not support them. but when someone kochlz out and says let's take a picture, i will take a picture. i met them once and i've never seen them again. >> would you consider sitting down with your family, with perhaps a couple of us on council that really do want the best for you? >> councilor and to talk about how perhaps we proceed, instead of, mr. mayor, instead of what's about to happen in this chamber? i don't want to see it. i don't think the city wants to see it, mr. mayor. listen to me. i don't think the city wants to see it. i think the best thing in this particular case is for us to talk to you and figure out what it is, if anything, we need to do to proceed in this particular case without the stone throwing, yelling and screaming and embarrassment. >> that was your last question. >> councilor, i have talked to my family.
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i have talked to professionals. councillor, actions speaks louder than words. i asked for forgiveness, i've apologized, i want to move on. that's all i can say right now, councillor. and i do appreciate your support and your sinceritsincerity. >> mr. mayor, the media is reporting that you are not on the advice of your shrifter cooperating with the police. is that accurate? >> on the advice of my lawyer, dennis morris, that i believe is here, he has told me do not talk to the police. >> do you recognize that, you know, many of us in dealing with issues of safety and securing our warded often speak publicly or to communities that are suffering trauma when there's an incidence of violence or lack of
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safety that we ask the public to come forward and fully cooperate with the police? do you not see how you, as the chief magistrate of the city, in saying that you will refuse to cooperate with the police sets the wrong kinds of signals to our community that needs to work hand in glove with the police for incidents of criminality and lack of securing their communities? >> councillor, i can only repeat what mr. dennis morris told me, that i cannot talk to the police. he suggests, do not talk to the police. that's all i can say. i've answered your question. i can't get into what's before the courts now. but on -- dash on the advice of my counsel, if you want to talk to dennis more, you're more than happy to talk to him. he has said, do not talk to the police. all i'm doing -- >> i've got to squeeze a quick
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>> absolutely. >> mr. mayor, can you tell me how that applies to you? >> i just answered that question. >> mr. mayor, have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two year years? >> yes, i have. >> thank you. >> okay. so there you have it. that took a long time to think through to admit. a live action continues. let's listen in. >> my community and many people here on council to understand how you're dressing the issues. i'm not looking to embarrass you. i'm just looking. >> that's long gone. don't worry about that. >> to embarrass you any further. >> don't worry. >> the last thing that many people say is, take a leave of absence. >> absolutely not taking a leave of absence. >> let me ask the question then because you've said you don't
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want to take a leave of absence. is there some way that you can explain to us why you don't want to take a leave of absence? >> there is no need for me to take a leave of absence. i'm returning my calls. i'm going to committees. i'm watching every single dime that's being spent here. i've done it for 13 years and going to continue doing it for another five years, one this time and four more after october 27th. >> please, please. >> do you think that taking a leave of absence and being away from here would help you address any of the problems that you may have? >> i might go to florida over the christmas holidays with my family for maybe six days like i did last year. but i'm not missing a day of work. i never have. i never will. and again, i'm going to repeat, i'm in this council chamber probably more than any person here. no offense to anybody here, but i'll put my record against anyone else's record. >> whatever you want, i'll put record to record on you. i've been here a long time.
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>> i mean attendance records. i've only been here 13 years. >> i'm talking attendance records. i'll put might 13 years up against anybody else in this chamber. >> thank you. >> thank you. counselor filion? >> mr. mayor, in the past, you've voted against and spoken against board of health substance abuse programs and in a tv interview that was from some years ago that was reaired last week, your advice for how to deal with people who had smoked crack was give them a gun. have events, recent events taught you anything about understanding and compassion? >> you're going to have to refresh my memory on which program, we've had many debates about addiction in this council
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chamber. it's well-known that there's a member of my family that has an adikds problem. >> i'll just ask the question. >> i'm not quite sure what you're asking, counselor. >> have you learned anything about understanding and compassion? >> counselor, this is definitely been the most humiliating experience that i have ever went through in my entire life. the only other day that was worse in probably a couple days last year was when my dad died. outside of that, it was definitely the worst week of my life. >> mayor ford, i don't want to belabor it, but yes, it's the worst day. we understand this is painful for you. have you learned from this experience a greater understanding of other people's problems and perhaps a greater
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compassion for people that have problems? >> counselor, i'm the first to help people out that have problems. i'm the first one there and the last one to leave when there is someone who has problems. and i can rattle off hundreds of people that i've sat and talked to and comforted and brought into my house and helped these people out of all ages. >> lane, i have to wrap up our coverage for the day here. i think there's another way of describing this, not just a public intervention but a public tragedy playing out. he has two kids at home and he has a family. "around the world" is going to continue to core this after the short break. support heart health. and your immune system. now there's new glucerna advance with three benefits in one. [ male announcer ] new glucerna advance. from the brand doctors recommend most. [ male announcer ] new glucerna advance.
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