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weekend, he told one provable lie after near. >> did you buy that rifle? >> i emphatically deny these charges. >> within a day or so thereafter when the discovered what a complete nut this guy was, the were satisfied beyond all reasonable doubt that oswald had acted alone. >> there's only one thing they can tell you without going into the evidence that this case is cinched, that this man killed the president. no question in my mind about it. >> we plan to transfer this man not tonight. the van will be here by no later than 10:00 in the morning, why, that will be early enough. >> chief, do you have any concern for the safety of your prisoner in view of the high feeling among the people of dallas of the assassination of the president? >> no. but precautions will be taken of course. but i'm not -- i don't think that the people will try to take the prisoner away from us.
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lee oswald is to be taken soon to the county jail. >> that's true. and you are going to take him
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there how, sir? >> we are going to use an armored motor vehicle to take him. >> dallas police meant to transfer lee into the regular prison during the night to avoid the press. and then someone must have overruled them so that lee could be photographed by the press during the transfer. >> we're standing by awaiting the transfer or oswald from city jail to county jail. and for that report here is abc's bill lord at the city jail. bill, what's the situation? >> well, i am presently in the basement of the dallas municipal building. and it is like an armed camp. police officials are frankly worried. the don't want anything to happen to oswald. newsmen, photographers and policemen that lee oswald will be brought to a vehicle for
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transfer to the dallas county jail, a distance of about 15 blocks, which ironically is just across from the scene where president kennedy was assassinated on friday. >> anticipation has built up here in downtown dallas in front of the county jail. they are waiting for a glimpse of lee oswald. >> there he is. >> there he comes. >> let me have it. i want it. >> being led out by captain frit fritz. >> he's been shot. he's been shot. lee oswald has been shot. there's a man with a gun. absolute panic. absolute panic at dallas police headquarters. detectives have their guns drawn. there is no question about it.
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oswald has been shot at point blank range fired into his stomach. >> he is shot. >> he is shot. >> oswald is shot. >> he is oswald. >> that is the man that shot the man. >> immediately after the shooting, our only witnesses that we could talk to were other reporters. >> where did he go? >> he was here. the just put the gun there. [ inaudible ]. >> he was in a group of men right here. >> pretending he was one of us? >> i thought he was a detective. he had a hat. >> the situation right now is that lee harvey oswald has been shot. the man who saw the shot fired said it was fired by a man wearing a black hat, a brown coat, a man that everyone down here thought was a secret service agent. we can hear sirens outside and
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an ambulance apparently is moving down now into the basement. here comes the ambulance. and oswald will be removed now. the ambulance is being pulled up in front of us here. here comes oswald. he is ashen and unconscious at this time, now being moved in he's not moving. he's in the ambulance now. attendants, police, quickly climbing in. the ambulance is leaving dallas police headquarters. where will he be taken? >> i'm assuming parkland hospital. >> parkland hospital, the irony of ironies, the place where president john f. kennedy died. >> don't take the microphone.
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what is your reaction to the shooting of oswald? >> i think it's a deplorable situation. the man is entitled to a fair trial. >> the should give him a fair trial. because killing him just like that ain't nothing. that ain't going to bring president kennedy back to life. and after the get a trial the should let him out on the street and let the people kill him. >> the should not only shoot him but cut him up in pieces, put them every one hour in the fire and set them up for one day and then the next day start again. >> thank you. >> i didn't see it. i think it's the man. >> what's he look like? >> i can't give you a description now. he is known locally. >> immediately after the ambulance left, somehow i had begun to suspect that maybe the shooter was someone who was known to the police. >> do you know this subject? do you know him? have you seen him before? >> yes, i do. >> is he from dallas?
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>> yes. >> who is he? >> i couldn't tell you. >> do you know what kind of business he happens to be in? >> i wouldn't want to say. >> right. >> dallas city hall is normally a public building, but today it was really under armed guard. >> this a confirmed report as to who did the shooting? >> as far as i know. >> vic robertson from city hall reports that jack ruby, the owner of the carousel which is a bar in dallas did the shooting. >> my statement will be very bri brief. oswald expired at 1:07 p.m. he died at 1:07 p.m.
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we have arrested the man, the man will be charged with murder. >> who is he? >> the suspect's name is jack rubenstein, i believe, he goes by the name of jack ruby. >> and here at associated press a still picture of the moment, the split second as the shot was fired. this is the man dallas police have identified as jack rubenstein, and this of course is lee harvey oswald. you see the gun in the hand of ruby and just about to be fired. >> i know my own feelings were -- and i think the were widely shared by many if not most americans. this can't be coincidental. the assassin is assassinated in the police station. what in the hell is going on? >> just learned from city hall from a very authoritative source that police are working on the assumption that there indeed is
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a connection between jack ruby and lee oswald, and that in some manner of speaking oswald's murder was to shut him up. captain fritz just told me that ruby has said that he did it, that it was his gun, and that he had built up a tremendous grievance over the death of the president. >> in jack ruby's small mind, he thought he was going to become a big big hero. he killed the guy who killed the president. >> i commend what he did. i think he ought to win the congressional medal of honor for it, and a lot of other good american citizens think he did exactly the right thing in shooting down this communist. >> word also in just now from dallas that homicide chief, captain will fritz, has now said that the case of president kennedy's assassination is now closed with the death of oswald. it may not, however, be the opinion of the u.s. secret service or the federal bureau of
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our nation is bereaved. the whole world is poorer because of his loss.
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but we can all be better americans because john fitzgerald kennedy has passed our way. because he has been our chosen leader at a time in history when his character, his vision, and his quiet courage have enabled him to chart a course for us, a safe course for us, through the shoals of treacherous seas that encompass the world. and now that he is relieved of the almost superhuman burden we imposed on him, may he rest in peace. >> dallas today had even more to mourn. it held funeral services for one
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of its own who was a victim of friday's tragedy, officer j.d. tippit. >> there was a funeral of a very different sort today in nearby ft. worth. this was the dreary funeral of lee harvey oswald, alleged murderer of president kennedy. the pathetic group of mourners included oswald's mother, marguerite, his wife marina, his brother robert, and oswald's two children, one of them a babe in arms. the six pall bearers you see here are newsmen. there were not enough relatives or friends on hand to serve as pall bearers. >> now there is a new flag of the president of the united states flying in the white house. in president kennedy's old oval office, mrs. evelyn lincoln, his
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secretary and her aides, have removed every scrap, every vestige of the signs of the personal touches of president kennedy. >> we know from history that one test of society's is how do the handle the transfer of power at the top. lyndon johnson, whatever you thought of him, and a lot of people disliked him greatly, some even hated him, would be the president of the united states. i think it shouted about the strength of the country and that we swear by the rule of law. >> the president of the united states. [ applause ] >> my fellow americans, all i
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have i would have given gladly not to be standing here today. >> johnson knows he has to show the country that the ship of state is sailing on under a new captain. but at the same time, he can't appear to be too anxious to assume power. and he has to keep the kennedy people on board with him. so that speech means everything. >> no words are strong enough to express our determination to continue the forward thrust of america that he began. [ applause ] >> the people of europe just cannot believe that a lone
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avenger made his way into a major police station and killed without difficulty the most celebrated and infamous criminal in the united states. >> one of the most important things that happened after oswald's murder was that we were forever denied the why. people at the time believed he did it. the question was why. >> there are questions continually coming up about the possibility of an international plot. >> there is still all this thought that the russians might be behind it or cuba might be behind it. johnson sees there's a real danger in that. he wants to put these rumors to rest. >> investigations into all the facts of these last four days may not be limited to the state of texas or the fbi. some congressmen already have suggested a congressional investigation. >> killing a president wasn't a federal crime at the time. so you had the federal government intervening in still what was a local murder.
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there certainly was a concern of competing investigations. there was the dallas criminal investigation, there was the state of texas court of inquiry, and there were committees on both sides of congress while of course the fbi had been given the job to conduct a full-scale investigation. >> johnson realizes something has to be done. he realizes that he has to appoint a body that the public will respect to look into this. >> yes, mr. president. >> i've got to have a top blue ribbon presidential commission to investigate the assassination. i'm going to ask chief justice warren as chairman. >> if there's one public governmental official in the united states universally respected for his integrity it is the supreme justice of the supreme court, earl warren and one person in congress that everyone respect is russell
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wilson of georgia. russell is a segregationist through and through and despises warren for the decisions that he's made on the court. >> johnson thought if the can agree on a verdict that ought to be satisfying 90% of american public opinion. >> i'm highly honored you'd think about me in connection with this. but i couldn't serve a day with chief justice warren. i don't like that man. >> you can serve with anybody for the good of america. and you're going to do it. i can't arrest you. and i'm not going to put the fbi on you. but you're [ mute ] going to serve i'll tell you that. >> lyndon johnson was known as the greatest salesman one-on-one who ever lived. so he meets first with warren and says, if i asked you to put on your uniform and fight for america, you'd do it. i'm asking you to fight for america in a different way. then johnson has to get richard russell. >> mr. president, please now. >> no, it's already done.
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>> produced by nbc news which is solely responsible for its content. >> the warren commission appointed friday night will investigate and make a report on the murder. as yet it has said nothing about how it will proceed or when. in the meantime, again, the fbi is investigating every lead it can find and will turn its report over to president johnson probably this week. >> it was the fbi's hope that its report would be if not the final word, the semifinal word, and that the commission's job would be to read it and then essentially endorse the findings of the report. >> the members of the warren commission, earl warren, john sherman cooper, jerry ford, allan dulles, hale boggs, richard russell and john j. mccloy realized at their initial meting they had to do an independent investigation. they didn't want to be a stamp
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for the fbi or the secret service. >> there are three issues the commission had to grapple with. did oswald commit the physical act of the murder? and even if he did the physical act, did he have forces behind him? and then of course, what's ruby's involvement in this? >> you had various branches of the investigation traveling, interviewing witnesses, collecting evidence, bringing it back to the commission. >> the time of day was about -- not very far from two hours from it. >> there were questions how would they deal with the different stories about shooters from the grassy knoll and shooters from different directions. >> the lawyers from the commission took 395 depositions. and there were 94 witnesses that appeared before the commission. lyndon johnson wants the report out so it doesn't interfere with the election in november. >> warren left for dallas
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because he was a man who had spent his early career as a courtroom prosecutor. he understood a crime scene. he wanted to stand in that window and see if this was a shot that a marksman could make. while he was there, warren felt he should talk to ruby. there were all these suggestions ruby had killed oswald to silence him. so he wanted to hear from ruby himself. >> the warren commission realized they were going to have to invest a lot more time than was anticipated. this may be a two to three-month operation to the conception that it will probably take six months. >> the hour glass of time was running out on them. >> can you say if you still think it was one man? >> i think we'd better not get into that area, you know. the report will cover all of that in great detail. >> this committee labored ten months, then brought forth a document close to 1,000 pages. president johnson received that report today. >> what the public understood


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