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fired that day. for an airline pilot, 80% accuracy and landing at the right airport gets you fired that day. only the government and this at mrgs would call a sunday press event, claiming the health care website is 80% accurate and expect applause. actually we're getting a tutorial in the disastrous results of -- >> you just -- we can't do it. please, we're making progress, but you're always bragging on the private sector. i want to point out that today was down while was up. even the private sector is not perfect. we're making progress, and i'm proud of it. we have bill burton, who used to work in the obama white house, and we have the former governor from maryland, bob you recall c ehrlich.
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and brag on your book. check out the book. but look, you talk about hope and change. >> it's a slogan. >> we're all for success. >> if you're for success, why won't you stand with us? >> we're grading on a curve? i wish we had this curve in law school. i needed the curve. >> listen, we have made real progress. we're moving toward, i feel lying the healthier this gets, the sicker you guys look. this is fixable. >> and we're fixing it. >> that's the bad news. this is the part that's fixable. now we'll get to the numbers, to middle america, the middle class, we'll get to a sticker shock. >> you mean, the middle dallas will finally stop being discriminated against? kids will be able to get health care? >> higher deductibles, and you loose your doctor.
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>> in the private sector, the first 90 days of a website is called beta. you expect it to -- >> i have not gotten -- >> though nobody has fired. something is in charge, i hope, but forget that. i do think that the governmentor is making an important point. >> my thought is this is a big story about generally nothing, because the website is fixable. the denominator, the underlying numbers, how this works in the long run is what's the problem. >> well, i think you're right in that the problems we're seeing right now are fixable. as we go into 2014, you are going to see a health care that's getting better and better, the program working more and more. more women having access to mammograms on medicare, not having lifetime limits on insurance, keeping your kids until they're 26. all of those things will just get better. the republican problem can't by
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fixed, which is that the only solution that they have offered is repeal of obama care. even if the polls that are the very worst for president obama, the american people want obama care to succeed. so the answer is to fix obama care. >> men don't need mammograms, by the way. that's part of the problem. >> i don't think anybody is offering that. it's required. now, the back of it is still not fixed, a very contentious discussion today with the news
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media -- as the government tried to explain, they sort of have it fixed, here's wee it matters. there are a substantial numb bev the people who think they have insurance, but the companies can't identify who they are. the latest was you should check with your insurance company to see whether or not you're actually insured. >> four out of five times -- i hope you're not the latest victim here. >> i don't want to steal your thunder. >> the question is, who is actually doing things to fix it. at the president, the at mrgs, democrats in congress are actually trying to fix it, not root for failure. did you ever in wrir wildest imagination think the first 60
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days would be this screwed up? >> i think i've been surprised by a lot of things, and the amount of noise they've been able to make about this is, once again, quite surprising, but no, i don't think anybody went into this thinks there's going to be a lot, imperfections, people know that when you -- they are heart. >> that's the truth. it took a system that was 15 to 20% broken, uncovered or uninsured, or not -- not the appropriate amount of insurance, and tried to fix 100%. now we're paying the price. by the way, as ipad comes in and medicare rationing occurs and 22 new tax increases occur, and the medicare advantage cuts occurred, it's going to be the bad gift that keeps on giving onto next year. that's why all the red state democrats are scared to death. >> first of all, i disagree with
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everything you said, but -- everything you just said -- but i am concerned that some medicare part d was passed, and it wasn't working, we worked with republicans to fix it. here's what we have from your great friend erick erickson. the strategy now, he says should be the website they can't fix, but we must deny them the opportunity to fix the new law itself. let the american people see big government in all its glory and offer a repeal. in other words, hold back support, road for -- is that your strategy? do you sign on to erick erickson's strategy? >> no, i don't root for failure. >> that's what he's saying. >> help, there's an interesting term. >> what's the fix? regarding 300 maybe, who
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knows? medicaid expansion for tort reform? who knows, but there is no negotiation. one part passed this. it was you, minority, no way, we're passing our bill, we're going to reinvent the wheel here, and now the wheel is screwed up. what you're saying is 100% not true. i was in the white house and was there when republicans were called for meetings. republicans were solicited for advice. there were republican ideas source in the health care bill. someone at this table thought that was a good idea at one point. so the difference here is that it has been rare in american history that the opposing party has been so opposed to some massive change to government that they don't even show up to have a conversation. once it's put into law, all it does is root for failure. >> and that's why the
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politics -- in the hoppers. >> wait a second. having a fair amount of bipartisan -- i think that is a total mischaracterization. boy about the white house ever. and the fact is it's very dangerous to pass really large legislation by a very narrow margin. it didn't happen with civil rights or social security. there was consistently bipartisan ship in all the big major changes. what i'm fascinated with as a conservative. you had the president's top computer guy saying we're getting up to the velocity of the -- we had the president says you couldn't do in government what he did in the campaign, because all those federal regulations screw up everything, and you really can't get it done right. the question i have is if getting up to -- and if in fact
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the presidential campaign could be creative and remarkably effective, but the government can't be, isn't that sort of an argument against having the government try to run health care for 315 million people. for. >> for starters, let me address the first point. what has change indeed washington isn't a president's interest in reaching out to the other side. it is the opposing party's 100% intrance gens to working with the president's party. when you have the senate mitch mcconnell saying the number one job was stopping the second term, you get a sense of the climate in washington. the fact that there are -- the way you have to solicit contracts and things like that -- >> wait, we're going to come back to this. you talked about the idea of stopping obama, him being a one-term president. in fact, president obama have
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welcome back. in "crossfire" tonight, bill burton and bob ehrlich. here is something to consider much the next time you see a headline asking, can obama recover? as the national journal points out.
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that exact headline showed up in 2008 during the primaries, and in 2009 during the health care fight. and in 2010 after scott brown won that victory in mike galanos. after the bp oil spill, and during the 2011 bad economic news, and during the 2012 election. even this year when the president took on syria. so the next time somebody asks you, can obama recover? i think the smart bet is, yes, he can. so to you -- >> can i point out. >> surmaking my point, sir. if in fact it is the case,
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betting on the failure, isn't it reckless and foolish on the part of the republican party to have one strategy, which is to hope obama fails? that's the only strategy, as best as i can tells. >> remember the shovel ready? remember obama care, demonstrated weakness around the world? >> again, this is your whole strategy. >> it's not a strategy. >> but what is your strategy? you have no strategy for getting jobs for the country, no strategy for immigration. am i wrong? >> the next time i do this showing i'm bringing a couple hundred bills to show you. >> on the still his, the
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economic is in fact growing, jobs are being added. this republican party is a lot different than the one you ran, speaker gingrich. republicans back then were actually bringing why is to the table. >> let's do everything we can do derail them. >> my friend here, you guys tortured him, tried to demonize him every day, every second, so don't fall for that. >> i was in high school. >> not you. >> presidents can recover. usually if they get in deep trouble, they recovered by getting a new team. your former boss, mr. gibbs, who just had a great weekend in the auburn victory. he said something very clear today about what ought to be happening. i think we should -- >> i do think it will be
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inexplicable if somebody involved in the creation of the website doesn't get fired. >> so, you know the team. if you were there right now, who would you recommend gets spared? >> well, the way you phrase that question -- [ laughter ] >> i'm making the serious point, this is a -- billions according to bloomberg, two-month-long -- you can't blame the republicans. this is a two-month-long public meltdown. look, shouldn't somebody be held accountable? >> this is a big thing. big things are heart -- there are always bumps in the road. >> we're seeing some of the difficulty, actually trying to bring change to the health care system. having worked at the white house, having worked for president obama, there is probably nobody madder than him that this has not gone as planned. whether or not there will be accountability at a staff level where people lose their jobs, i don't know the answer to that.
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but i do know the most important thing right now is fixing the problems and making sure that health care gets delivered. >> anger without action means therapy, and it's not leadership. >> i'm pretty sure you've seen actions over course of the last couple weeks, look at 575,000 people going to the website and trying to enroll? >> i've seen democrats running to the white house saying hey, help me i'm in trouble, i voted for this, now you stuck me with it. quarterback, what happens to them? they get benched. i don't want to appear mean, and i don't think it's the secretary. she has a huge job, but somebody somewhere had the job every day of waking up and reporting to someone else, this is the status, here's where we are, we're in trouble. that person should be removed. it's not that hard. >> let me ask a question, you talk about moving the football, this time of thing. i am curious of your assessment.
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how do you assess where the republicans are at this point? as best i can tell -- again, i'm not coming back to beat a dead horse. you are literally now a party of i still have not heard from you how it is you deal with the branding problems that you guys have. >> in all seriousness, there are all sorts of bills that harry reid won't take up. there is a communications problem. when you do not have the bully pulpit, it's much more difficult to communicate your message. it's not just good enough. i agree conceptionally, it's not good enough to be the party of no. but you have to communicate -- >> i don't think ted cruz is having any trouble being heard. will you support ted cruz?
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you have spokespersons. the problem is the spokespersons are not attractive to the american people. >> we're interested in stopping the person who had cancer treatments a few weeks ago who no longer has cancer treatments. we're interested in stopping this one-size-fits-all, and i'll use the term lie. i don't think, he repeated it. and now folks in the employer market will pay the same price. >> there is a brief point where david plouffe was asked how this was going to go. and his answer was, if i were a democrat running for reelection in '14, his answer when he said, oh i think this will all be fixed by 2017, that would not have encouraged me.
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>> out of context. >> there are 29 days to the date when 5.5 million people who have had their insurance taken away by barack obama are faced with the question with whether or not they're going to have insurance. the insurance companies have no idea whether these people are registering. who's going to be held accountable on january 1 when that first person walks in to the emergency room thinking they have insurance. and they don't. now who's accountable? >> go ahead. >> there are so many things wrong with that question. >> it is very difficult to, all of the difficult facts or miss facts. >> they're facts. >> here's the fundamental
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question. you've got two different parties in washington. and the american people come 2014 will have a fundamental choice, right? you're choosing democrat, republicans. not the democratic plan versus the absolutely perfect. they are coming to the table and they've got ideas to fix some of the problems. nobody thought when obama care got passed it was going to be 100% perfect. but all of these things take time to -- >> forgive me. stay here. next, the final question for both of our guests. we also want you to weigh in on today's fire back question. can president obama recover in his second term. tweet yes or no using hash tag crossfire. we'll have the results after the break. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up. it found out the doctor we needed was at st. anne's. wiggle your toes. [ driver ] and it got his okay on treatment from miles away.
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we're back. now it's time for the final question. bill, there's some talk about the impact of the two-term limit on presidents. i'm curious, if there was no two-term limit, do you think that bill would run? or do you think he he'd still let hillary run instead? >> i think should hillary clinton chooz to run for president she'd be an amazing one. despite all these problems, i bet if president obama could run again, nine out of ten democrats would want him, and he'd win.
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>> what has the gop accomplished in the past year? >> the minority party. harry reid hasn't let us pass anything. we've improved in the polls. >> the past couple weeks maybe but seriously. minority parties can put forward ideas and make things happen. >> stop the regulations. let's have a conversation, a beer conference again. i think that might help his numbers and republicans. and the onus would be on them. >> even republicans today just would not support it. >> i think think would. >> it would be wonderful, and i think we could all work together if we could get the it regulations fixed. i want to thank you for this discussion. you can go to facebook or twitter to weigh in on our fire back question. right now 43% of you say yes,
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57% of you say no. the debate will continue on line at cnn/crossfire. i'm van jones. >> and i'm newt gingrich. be sure to join us tomorrow. debbie wasserman schultz and reince priebus will be with us. erin burnett starts right now. out front next. deadly speed. >> the event recorders shows that the train was traveling at approximately 82 miles per hour as it went into a 30-mile-per-hour curve. >> the latest on the crash that killed four people. plus a new attack on the president. >> i think the current administration has taken lying to a new level. and death of


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