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57% of you say no. the debate will continue on line at cnn/crossfire. i'm van jones. >> and i'm newt gingrich. be sure to join us tomorrow. debbie wasserman schultz and reince priebus will be with us. erin burnett starts right now. out front next. deadly speed. >> the event recorders shows that the train was traveling at approximately 82 miles per hour as it went into a 30-mile-per-hour curve. >> the latest on the crash that killed four people. plus a new attack on the president. >> i think the current administration has taken lying to a new level. and death of a hollywood
star. >> next thing you know, we hear a big, big crash. paul walker's friends on his final moments. let's go out front. hello, everyone. i'm don lemon in for new mom erin burnett tonight. out front first tonight, 82 miles per hour. that's how fast the new york commuter train was going when it rounded the turn and derailed. four people were killed and at least 67 were injured. they are still trying to determine if the crash was caused by human error or equipment failure. what are you hearing? >> reporter: law enforcement official is telling us that there is no evidence that the engineer was using his cell phone while driving the train. that had been raised as a concern. obviously, it's not allowed by metro north for their crew to
use cell phones or other similar equipment while at work. so that is a very important piece of information. but the ntsb saying that the train itself going 82 miles per hour coming out of a limited area to an area, the curve was limited to 30 miles per hour. also we understand that the train had been accelerating prior to hitting that curve, two minutes before, only doing 60 miles per hour. 82 miles per hour hitting the curve. we now know the brakes applied very late. the throttle being released very late as well. this is how they described it. >> approximately six seconds before the rear engine of the train came to a stop, the throttle was reduced to idle. approximately five seconds before the rear engine came to a stop, the brake pressure dropped from 120 psi to zero resulting
in full application of the brakes. >> reporter: he described the application of the brakes very late in the game. he said those timings pretty much occurred as the train was actually coming off the rails. not even applied the brakes while it was on the tracks there. >> so they're learning a lot from the data recorder. no use of cell phone. the train was accelerating a little bit before. can we talk about the people on board that train? four people killed, 67 injured. what can you tell us about the people on the train? >> reporter: yeah. they're still, people are still in hospital. 18 of them at least in hospitals close to here. we understand three of them are in critical condition. st. barnabas hospital in the bronx, seven of the eight people they have there still in icu, the worst a man with a spinal column injury. his son who was traveling with him, 14 years old just suffered
cuts and browuises. the mother is concerned. the boy travels by train every day and is concerned about that. >> we want to know what caused the deadly crash. david shayness is with us tonight. so the ntsb says six seconds before the rear engine came to a stop the throttle was reduced to idle. what does that mean? >> well, it means that for some reason, at seven seconds there was a request for power still to the locomotive, even though the train was proceeding at 82 miles per hour and was entering a 30-mile-per-hour zone. >> so it couldn't be a request to use the brake, it was a request for power to accelerate.
>> that's correct. it does have dynamic braking, but that shows up on a different channel on the recorder. >> the brake pressure dropped to zero. this is known as dumping the brakes. hour dire was with the situation in order to go to a process where you have to dump the brakes? >> it's called emergency. it's the brake pipe pressure. it's air that's fed to the train to keep the brakes from applying. and you can make a service reduction that reduces that pressure a little bit. to slow the train properly. and if you're in emergency circumstances, you dump the train. and you go into emergency braking which gives you a faster and a more severe brake rate. >> let's talk about, get more specific merhere. the train was going 82 miles per hour. it goes down to 30 miles per hour when it reaches that sharp turn. was it already too late?
>> yes. if you're doing 82, i would have to see the, all the data from the event recorder, but clearly from what has been captured, the train was overspeeding and the request for emergency brake application comes too late for the train to be able to negotiate the curvature. >> i was going to say this in my last question, but as you're listening to all this information that's coming out from the ntsb, what have you, people who were on board, what do you think happened? >> well, from the looks of what i've seen and from what i don't know, because aid like to see the other events on the event recorder since there are various speed restrictions beforehand, but what is uncannily similar to what happened in spain this summer where the train was in overspeed, came to an area where it had to decelerate to negotiate a curve and the locomotive operator was
distracted and did not decelerate properly. whether that's the same cause, the operator distraction, i don't know, but the overspeeding is uncannily similar. >> i'm grad ylad you brought th. that train was going more than 100 miles per hour in a 50 miles per hour zone. and both of these stints took place in a curve. that's the track in spain on the left. the train in spain was propelled with a front locomotive. while the metro north train was being pushed from behind against a rear propelled locomotive. how does that factor into this crash at all? >> not at all. it has a push/pull configuration. it's used all across the united states and the world. it's used in france and in spain.
and it has very little to do with anything. there's no compromise in safety. there's no difference in safety performance of the train. >> that's great information. thank you for joining us. still to come, americans held in north korea. the white house pleads for their release. plus amazon uses military technology. how do you feel about drones delivering your christmas presents? and the business of marijuana. when i first started experiencing the pain, it's, it's hard to describe because you have a numbness... but yet you have the pain like thousands of needles sticking in your foot. it was progressively getting worse, and at that point i knew i had to do something. when i went back to my healthcare professional... that's when she suggested the lyrica. once i started taking the lyrica, the pain started subsiding. [ male announcer ] it's known that diabetes damages nerves.
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the u.s. pleading with north korea. two americans are currently being detained in the rogue country. and an 85 year old korean war vet was detained in october. the u.s. is deeply concerned. that's after a video was released showing what was called newman's apology. what's next? good evening to you, sir. >> good evening. >> so gordon, newman was a veteran of the korean war. newman apologized for crimes, but that ended six decades ago.
why is this unfolding now? >> we don't know why now, but it's important. north korea doesn't do things like this without careful deliberation. one of the things we can say, though, is that the founding myth of the north korean state is that the united states and south korea attacked the north. and what this does, by impre impressening mr. newman, it gives the opportunity to replay this myth for the north korean people. this bolsters the regime. >> you look at the apology and everybody say it is was terribly scripted. what did you make of that? >> of course it was scripted. that's what they always do with something like this. they want to make sure they get exactly the message they want out to the north korean public. so they're not going to allow any sort of deviation. so clear this was directed on high from the top of the regime down to the officers who detained merrill newman. >> let's talk about the top of
the country, what's north korea's leader kim jong un trying to get out of this? >> they sent presidents clinton and carter to get back americans, and that helped the regime of the father of the current ruler. we haven't done any big incentives to get out kenneth bei. what's better than one hostage? two hostages. that i think is one of the reasons why we have mr. newman detained. >> does kim jong un win in some respects? >> if merrill newman comes back and really hits this hard about how he was mistreated, that's going to be a big loss for north korea. if merrill newman dies in custody, that's an even bigger
loss for the regime. we don't know how this scores out until he is over. >> thank you. >> thank you. tonight's money and power. online retailer amazon.com has introduced plans for a stunning new revelation, delivery by drone. >> with one tantalizing video, amazon is revitalizing the notion of a big idea. they are calling it prime air. miniature drones delivering packages directly to your front door only minutes after placing an order. if it wasn't december, most people would think it's an april fools joke. >> let me show you something. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: it was introduced last night on 60 minutes. >> half hour delivery. these generations of vehicles that could be a 10 mile radius
from a fulfillment center. so in urban areas it covers significant parts of the population. >> reporter: it has quickly stirred a national conversation. most important, of course, is safety. for amazon, liability. >> there's a serious concern that when you have these drones just flying around, whether or not they're programmed or piloted, that if something happens, the company's going to be liable in a way they wouldn't be in traditional delivery paradigms. >> reporter: there are many issues that must be worked out, including faa approval. and even in the best of all scenario, the drones would be tricky in places like washington, d.c. which has many no-fly zones. or imagine them trying to navigate in midtown manhattan. >> if they were going to launch
these in phoenix or houston where it's flat terrain, lots of subdivisions. you could see amazon providing amazon air customers with a landing pad that they put in their back yard that has a specific gps location. >> reporter: the story is pr gold at the height of the shopping season. but the announcement reveals something about the instincts of jeff bezos. here's what he said in a recent interview. >> we know customers like low prices, big selection. and we know that customers like fast delivery. and so those things are going to be true ten years from now. they're going to be true 20 years from now. we can count on those things and put energy into them. >> reporter: energy and money for an idea that enthusiasts say remains farfetched. >> dan, i'm an eternal optimist. i wonder, though, if the faa is
so optimistic about this. >> well, you know, they put out a statement. they're not rejecting this. they're saying that the regulations for such technology, they'll be develop tgs over the next few years in terms of the regulations. i should point out, though, that some of the scientific hurdles are so immense, people accusing amazon of launching a publicity stunt, and then driverless cars. >> we appreciate you. still to come tonight. is president obama a liar? a prominent republican senator says the white house has taken lying to a whole new level. plus death of a hollywood star. paul walker's friends remember his final moments. [ female announcer ] thanks for financing my first car.
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more details emerging tonight about the car crash that killed actor paul walker. new video in to cnn shows the moment of impact. you see the massive smoke clouds coming from that vehicle. investigators are now focusing on extreme speed, the theme of walker's "fast & furious" movie franchise. >> reporter: paul walker named his son after him, a boy who grew up in hollywood to star in
what would become the blockbust blockbuster franchise the "fast & furious." he was the father of a 15 year old daughter and devoted to his family. >> i'm just glade told him every time i saw him that i loved him. >> reporter: to the engines of the fast cars of his fans, mourners weeping, they carried n flowers and candles to the accident site. >> he was so young. >> reporter: life imitating art in a painfully violent way. >> in hollywood they never get hurt. they're always driving fast, you know. in reality, we do have to be concerned. we have to be concerned. this could happen to any of us, you know. got to follow the rules, follow the speed. we can't be too "fast &
furious." >> reporter: the death of the 41 year old actor stunned fellow actors. this is one of the last photos of walker, attending a charity event to help victims of the philippines typhoon before he and his racing partner left in a porsche gt. it burst into flames. this man tried to get to him. >> there's nothing. we tried. we went through fire extinguishers. >> it's just awful. investigators were looking into street racing as a possible cause of this crash. now they're backing off on that. why is that? >> reporter: well, it began as an unsubstantiated tip. and what investigators say is in their followup they haven't had any eyewitnesses come forward. what they have heard from witnesses is that this vehicle was traveling by itself. it was traveling at a high rate of speed. investigators now focusing on
speed. they're also hoping to learn more with the on-board computer inside the vehicle. and they're also looking at surveillance tape. now you were mentioning that surveillance video that was captured presumably from one of these businesses in this area. there are a large number of businesses in this particular area. many of them with those cameras that are pointed all over the place. police definitely want that. they are going to look and examine all of that. but right now they are looking at speed as a factor. >> i see a growing makeshift memorial behind you there. >> reporter: yeah, what you're looking at here, it's extraordinary. it keeps growing. if you look at this, you expect the flowers and candles, but if you take a look at some of these notes. you see pictures of him in the community. he's a local boy. and he's young. that's something that a lot of people are talking about. you heard the young man in our interview talk about life imitating art. that is what is so sad to his
fans. they loved him for his speed, what he loved and row mants sized. and for him to paerish in this way is heart breaking for his fans. >> it is heart breaking. still to come here, bob dylan accused of using hateful language. plus, is president obama a liar? a prominent republican says the white house has taken lying to a whole new level. and we're going to talk marijuana, the business of pot. . i'm sorry, i'm just really reluctant to try new things. really? what's wrong with trying new things? look! mommy's new vacuum! (cat screech) you feel that in your muscles? i do... drink water. it's a long story. well, not having branches let's us give you great rates and service. i'd like that. a new way to bank. a better way to save.
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welcome back, everyone, to the second half of out front. cnn learned that richie incognito will continue to be suspended with pay. today was the miami dolphins' deadline to release him or keep him on the rosseter. the nfl is still investigating allegations that incognito harassed john than martin. the team suspended inkogs neat owe nearly a month ago after martin quit the team. incredible sight. the wreckage of a helicopter was lifted off a pub. the bar was packed with about
150 people listening to a band when the chopper crashed. the cause of the crash is still unknown. investigators say the pilot did not issue a distress call before it came down. and the helicopter did not have a flight data recorder. the republican national committee september out aed tweet yesterday that was supposed to honor rosa parks. today we remember rosa parks bold stand and her role no fighting to end racism. previous tweet should have read we remember rosa parks abold stand in fighting to end racism. it didn't work too well. since the tweet, it has garnered
more than 40,000, mostly sarcastic tweets according to hash tags.org. bob dylan charged with inciting hatred. a croatian group is suing him over comments he made in rolling stone magazine. he talks about lingering problems as a result of slavery saying blacks know that some whites didn't want to give up slavery and going on to say if you got a slave master on clan in your past blacks can sense that, just like the jews can sense nazi blood. is president obama a liar. today one republican senator said that the white house can't be trusted. >> i think the current administration has taken lying to a new level. >> but the president's
supporters are sticking by his side. >> i think people trust this president. >> so, which side do you believe? out front tonight, a democratic pollster and republican strategist. thank you. thanks for coming on tonight. cornell, going to start with you. senat senat senat senator, today, jay carney was toutding the newly improved website announcing that 275,000 new visitors have been on healthcare.gov but no new numbers on how many have actually enrolled. and they're saying that the back end parts of the website are still not functioning properly.
is the administration spin spilling into untruthful snus? >> a couple things. one is you've got to put this in sort of the partisan context that it is. this is also a guy who basically said that, you know, our deal with iran was a way to distract us from aca problems. so you've got to understand that the partisan trash can this garbage comes out of. this is a guy who comes from a state with the highest uninsured people in the country. so instead of attacking the health care plan. he should be helping to work better for the people in the states. but for the republicans to come out and call the president a liar like this, it goes, it's right in the pattern of what we've seen, the historic levels of disrespect, partisanship. that's why washington is broken right now. this is another example of them
coming out and speaking in a way and being partisan in a way that's just not helpful at all and why our politics is so broken. >> there is some evidence as to what he is saying. this isn't the first time someone has called the president a liar. we all remember this. >> the reforms i am imposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> you lie! >> shocking moment there. that was joe wilson of south carolina famously shouted you lie at the president during the 2009 speech to a joint session of congress. he got a lot of backlash, quickly apologized, issuing a statement saying that his comments were inappropriate and regrettable. this isn't the first time that cornyn has said things like this. >> the president's got a huge problem, and it isn't
partisanship, guys. it's the fact that this is the central promise of his presidency. that if you like your health care, you would be able to keep it. he ran a campaign about it. and it's almost reverberates through the last several years of public policy debate in this country, and most people did believe him. so now he either knew it wouldn't work, in which case, yes, he's a liar. or he said it hundreds of times to get himself elected, a partisan endeavor, cornell, and didn't bother to check the facts during that whole period, making him a person who's willing to do or say anything to get elected. today's politics are broken because people like president obama say stuff that they can't back up policy wise. and that's his real problem. >> the question was does congressman joe wilson need to apologize like congressman joe wilson did? >> i don't think he should
apologize. this is america and you have the right to say what you think u and in today's america you should call it like you see it. you know, the president has been back-pedaling, and this program has been unraveling. and this sis the downfall of ths presidency in many ways. you see his credibility going down. when people stop trusting a politician, it's over. >> okay. so cornell, listen. there's some polling may indicate that it's, you know, cornyn is on, is on the right side of history here maybe -- >> there is no polling that says that cornyn is on the right side of history. there's no polling on that. >> is obama honest and trustworthy? 46% say yes, 53% say no. i doesn't know n't know if you y correlate that lying.
>> that's also falling in line with job performance. you're talking about a congress right now with a job performance level at 9%. this attack on bawl care. look, there's a lot of evidence on which i wish you had talked about earlier. there's a lot of everyday rolling out that this story that you are fascinated with is going to come to an end because you know what, people are signing up for it. the site is working better. and there's stories all around the country, particularly from those states running their own programs like california and oregon and even red states like kentucky where you saw over the last couple days the washington post story talking about how the health care debate is stopping there as rural americans get signed up for something they've never had in their lives, and that's health care, taking away the shame and the fear of walking around and waking up and hoping that, praying to god that
a member of their family or their child doesn't get sick because they can't take them to the hospital. and shortly, when congress does come back into session you're going to have hundreds of thousands of people sign up for health care. and republicans are going to take away what millions of people now have? health care? good luck with that. >> he brings up a good point about focusing on the positive rather than the negative. there's no focusing on the positive from the right. >> there is no good news about obama care. we shut down the government. we took this nation to the brink of financial collapse because of obama care. and most people expected that when the website was fixed it would get better. and now young people aren't signing up because they can't afford it, doesn't make any economic sense for them. >> if i can just say this -- if you look in the long arc of history and perpetuity until the world ends, if people do have
health care, many programs that were started in the government didn't work as well as people expected in the beginning months. might you be jumping too soon on something that could end up being good for the american people? >> if we can cover more people and keep health care affordable and accessible and have it be high quality, sure. but that's not what this is doing. this is causing people chaos and confusion and more money. >> for now. >> it could in the process run down the economy. this hasn't, look, the president -- >> i've got to go. my producers are screaming at me. we will continue this conversation. but thanks to both of you. i do appreciate you joining us tonight. lighting up in america. in just weeks, colorado will become the first place in the world to regulate pot from seed to sale.
>> reporter: andy williams is out to become captain of the newest industry, colorado's legal pot business. his medicine man will be selling to users, up to an ounce for colorado residents, a quarter ounce to out of staters. anyone over 21 can buy starting january 1. industry watchers say it will be the first time ever anywhere in the world marijuana has been regulated from seed to sale, an experiment making colorado sort of a silicon valley for pot. it appears that you guys are already bulking up for what happens january 1. >> every one of my competitors are doing the same thing. >> my gosh, did you see all the pot? what if pot becomes legal in your town. right now you can't say the word marijuana in smoke shops.
we went to check out what could and new booming business. >> reporter: how might it be sold? it will be sold a little like you saw tobacco in these shops, in glass containers just hike this. it's now in the medical form, it will be in this exact same form recreationally. there are new stores being licensed right now. it is going to be like walking into a -- >> you can say i want the smokes and i needed -- >> can you go i need a dime bag? >> you can buy up to a quarter ounce. a coloradoen can buy up to a houns. >> and you can do that in this shop, in that shop, in that shop. it's going to be expensive. it's going to be taxed. >> it sounds like we're talking politics. people are becoming more accepting of marijuana in this country. so goes colorado so goes the
rest of the country. >> i didn't expect what i saw in colorado. >> what are we looking at? if this becomes a billion dollars industry, how are we going to buy our pot? >> they are calling this the dot com rush. this is where it's going to vaporized opiniopens where they the tobacco or the weed itself. we talked to one company that grew 1600% last year. >> if you want the old traditional bong, water pipe, excuse me. i don't know if you can say bong. >> it's available, in p new yin
york you can't say the word. but colorado you can't swing a cat without hitting -- >> you can have it in ingestible form. >> things that like like dingdongs and twinkies. sodas are coming. you could have a sip of this and, you know, have a nice afternoon for, it is amazing how many different products. >> even oil, butters. >> creams for every sort of, a lot of these folks want to get very serious about it as well and study the effects of it and figure out if there are other medicinal effects. >> oh, the places we'll go. >> if we keep laughing people are going to think something. i think that colorado's kind of
ahead of the curve here. i've been saying this about pot for a very long time, and i think people are just starting to catch up. is the genie out of the bottle? >> there are a lot of states that are going to be considering their own pot laws as well. you will have a lot more states where this is legal. i wasn't prepared for this. being from california where you have so much medical marijuana, i expected it would be pretty much the same. i was blown away. this is a revolution happening in colorado. the world will be watching colorado to see how this plays out. we'll have a lot more for you tonight. >> we're going to talk a lot more about this. the world will be watching tonight. going to take a closer look at the business of mayrijuana o my new show at 11:00 eastern.
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we're back with tonight's outer circle, to china with the country's first ever robotic lunar rover, blasting off from southeast china. we asked what it meant for the future of china's growing space program. >> reporter: if successful, the solar powered buggy will touch down in mid-december, using its wheels and mechanical arm to conduct the three months of scientific study in the bay of rainbows, the last soft lunar landing was conducted by the soviets way back in 1976. china's program was late getting results. and with the government pouring billions into its manned and unmanned missions, china has
taken its place as one of the major space events. state media says the probe has separated. and it is now in the next step. they say it aims for the deep space. we'll check with anderson cooper on what is ahead with "ac360." hey, don, thank you very much. we'll get you more information on the latest with the investigation on the deadly train crash. you will also meet the wife and kids of james lovell who died while heading to work on sunday morning. you will hear how they want the world to remember their dad and husband. also, what if you were on a flight and paramedics came on board to alert people that they were exposed to tuberculosis. it happened on a flight to phoenix, everybody was advised to get tested. we'll talk to dr. sanjay gupta
on that. we'll see you at 8:00 and again at 10:00, thank you, anderson. and called the greatest game in college football, between alabama and auburn. one second left on the clock, alabama took a gamble on a 58-yard field goal. watch what happens next. >> 56 yarder, does not have the leg. and chris davis takes it to the back of the end zone. back to the ten, 15, 20, 125, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, davis is going to run it all the way back! auburn is going to win the football game! auburn is going to win the football game! >> in the aftermath of the loss, the head coach nick sabin is under fire for placing the blame on his own players. >> first time i have ever lost a game that way. first time i have ever seen a game lost that way. you know, grif makes them from
60 in practice, you know. so there was a shot. we had the wind behind us, we had the wind in the fourth quarter, you know, they didn't hit it great, but we still should have covered it. game shouldn't have ended that way. >> all right, out front tonight, joe, did you see the game? >> absolutely, i was watching it live over dinner. >> i was supposed to go to dinner, i was going to take a nap before dinner, i could not -- i was standing on the couch in the living room, screaming, i couldn't believe the game. you heard what sabin, taking responsibility. i have heard it reported that way in other places, do you think he is out of line with that response? or is this a loss really on the players? >> he is one of the greatest coaches ever, and one three of the last four championships, he
is the guy who made a decision to send a freshman kicker out who made one kick his entire career, a 57-yarder which would have tied a record on grass in that environment. and nick sabin is the one that made the decision, and didn't make the count, oh, if it falls short it could be returned. i got a bunch of 300-pounders. >> you know, the reason i didn't -- i was so excited. i'm an lsu tiger, we don't really like alabama that much, we don't really like auburn that much, we do hate alabama more than auburn, but you were talking about the kicker whose name is kay foster. he is now receiving death threats even though he was replaced before the final play
here. should he take the threats seriously? should the team? >> he already took them seriously in 2011, don, his facebook account was actually taken down by him when he lost a couple of kicks that year. they won the championship then. his mother was threatened, threatened to be raped, horrible stuff, don, you have to take this seriously. and they come from people who probably never suited up after pop warner and after x box. >> it is a lot of pressure. >> it is a kid born in 1991, by the way, a young kid, and you're doing death threats. >> alabama, as a team played awful but if you don't kill yourself i will. come on, foster, i'm going to kill you and your family, just an fyi, it is ridiculous. what do you think is going to happen here? somebody said that alabama and auburn would be a bcs matchup, is that possible? >> no, it is almost impossible.
what you have is ohio state and florida state, two undefeated teams that will probably stay undefeated. florida state/auburn, a more likely scenario. >> it was a football weekend. i can't believe i am so excited. >> was this the greats game of all time? >> i think this was the greatest game of all time, i wish i was watching it at a sports bar with my buddies, but i was at home with my dog. >> appreciate it. >> still to come, erin burnett's family. anna, your hotels have wondrous waffle bars. ryan, your hotels' robes are fabulous. i have twelve of them. twelve? shhhh, i'm worth it& what i'm trying to say is, it's so hard to pick just one of you, so i'm choosing all of you with hotels.com. a loyalty program that requires no loyalty. plus members can win a free night every day only at hotels.com
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we end tonight on a very happy note, the host of this program, erin burnett, had a very happy thanksgiving weekend. on friday, 9:27 p.m., she and her husband welcomed an 8-pound boy, congratulations to erin and her family. look forward to seeing you soon. thank you for joining us, "ac360" starts right now. don, thank you very much, tonight, a survivor on living through new york's deadly train wreck and breaking news tonight on how deadly fast that train was going just before it left the tracks. more deadly news tonight, the