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that's it for us tonight, don lemon hosts "the 11th hour." is the drug war over? colorado gets ready for the legal sale of marijuana. followed by brooke baldwin with the highlights of the day here on cnn, "in case you missed it." on cnn, "in case you missed it." "ac360 later" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- evening, everyone, hillary clinton, president obama and the 2016 race for president. one elderly american's nightmare in north korea and the pope does what popes do, tells us not to be greedy and selfish and is called a commie for his trouble. that and more on the table
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tonight. we begin with headline, 2016 fever tests hillary clinton and president obama's bond. the reason his popularity is sinking. if she stays too close to him she hurts 49er chances of succeeding him. she is not officially running for anything yet and he has three years left in office. >> you're sitting here together. everybody in town is talking about it already and this is taking place. >> you know, steve, i got to tell you, you guys in the press
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are incorrible. >> we cannot make predictions of what is going to happen. all we can do is get up and have a clear-eyed view of what is going on in the world. >> that was then. what about now? with us tonight, christiane amanpour, and in the fifth chair, peter beinhart. alex, what do you make of their relationship? >> first, i liked hillary with those wolf blitzer glasses on there. i think it is tough for any politician go to through the process. hillary clinton era of big government is over but with president obama the era of big
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government is back with a vengeance. in a primary she has to hug barack obama. but barack obama in a general election that is a different story. >> does anyone doubt she is going to run for president? >> no. >> you don't doubt it? >> what has happened to bring this into full focus right now today? what is now about this relationship? as far as i can see you were the only one quoted in there. no one wants to talk about this? the democratic party. >> she is out there working the trail and making outreach to black voters. she was -- >> "the new york times". >> she was on the campaign trail in virginia. she is busy for someone who is not running. >> but the piece didn't provide evidence of tension or conflict and for obvious reasons. eventually she has to define her own agenda.
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she didn't have to do it now. it would be crazy for her to put distance between herself and barack obama's policies right now. she can't walk away from it so easily. his popsies are popular in the democratic party. >> but it is interesting in this article and a number of news pieces about her outreach to the black community, particularly to black leaders trying to repair damage that she inflicted and her husband inflicted during the first election against obama. >> it was interesting. i was having lunch with a friend today who is the executive director at the feminist press talking about what this time means and the intersection of race and gender and poverty and privilege that we're literally between a barack and hillary place. there is something going on looking at race and gender and i think the black community is
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very forgiving. r. kelly can still sell out arenas. so i think it is more really bill who hurt the community with some of his flippant remarks and they pushed their privilege. >> all the black leaders who have been quoted are saying full, square center he is being for given and she is being forgiven. >> and this time in history is very -- it's almost as important as the policies. i think they also have to look at who michelle is in this relationship because if you want to get the black vote you get to black women. black women are who showed up and rallied around barack and really made that happen. she is the one who is black and
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woman. >> i like how you call everybody by their first name. >> i definitely feel that about -- >> i just call him the president. >> if you go into a lot of folks' kitchens this day there is a plate with barack, one with martin luther king and a plate with president kennedy. and hillary too -- >> no hillary -- >> hillary might get a cup and saucer. but -- now, now. >> we're ready for her. i think there is a lot of passion for hillary clinton and particular with the black community. she has showed up even before she started running. she came to the essence music festival, sat down and engaged thousands of women around katrina. she was so well informed about who essence was to black women, who the leaders were and the
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people in the community were. >> what happens to president obama when more attention is paid to hillary clinton and the race in 2016. how big of an issue does that become? >> he is now a wounded president. unlike some folks my experience is there are things that 345rk you forever, the watergates and the katrinas and some 9/11s for bush are good and some are not. this is that kind of transformational event for obama. whatever happens after this he may achieve other good things but he will be remembered by this. this will drag his honesty numbers down. >> why -- >> i'm sharing my experience with you. he may win the olympics. but he'll always do with the a limp. >> let's put his approval ratings on the screen. 41% approve and 56% disapprove. >> it's true.
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it has been a nightmarish fall for obama care. but it will be continuing throughout his presidency. we don't know where the numbers will end up over time. and there are accomplishments. all of the people signing up for medicare is a terrific thing that happened for the country. and on foreign policy what he is doing with iran may be one of the most congress convertibsequ president has done for decades. >> for good or ill. >> and in a much more successful way than doing it by trying to invade countries. to say he has no more juice in him is premature. >> and -- >> but there is a book called "battle for the mind" you ring
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the bell and the dogs salivate. they associate with the that. one day the dogs were in the lab in cages and the river came up, flooded the lab. they almost couldn't get the dogs out. they freaked out and lost all their conditions but time passed and they became who they were again. they retrained them. one day as an experience, pavlov poured water under the door. the moment came right back. this is the kind of event for obama. we couldn't move george bush's numbers with anything we did unless we went back to the pile of rubble in 9/11. this is obama's pile of rubble. it's not for good. here was a guy -- >> you don't think he will overcome it. >> it will always be there. >> we have to take a break.
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. a lot of people upset about what is happening in north korea. an 85-year-old american is leaving north korea only to be dragged off the plane more than a month ago and has been held captive, forced to making a confession tape. that is what happened to merrill newman. kenneth bay has been held for more than a year now. ambassador thanks for being with us. this is outrageous that this american man was taken off the plane and forced to make this so-called confession. does this surprise you? >> well, it's bizarre. it's the new regime. this is how they are operating. it's bizarre if that this man was legitimately traveling in north korea with his visas.
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they pulled him off the plane. it is bizarre also because he is a war veteran. in the past, in 2007, the north koreans handed over to me the remains of seven of our soldiers from the korean war. they like the north koreans the interaction between the two militaries. it's bizarre also because it seems like nobody's in charge. had they wanted to take him hostage they should have done it without taking him off the plane. what is bizarre too is there are two americans there. this has never happened behave. kenneth bay, who also has been there a year, longer than anybody else. in the past the north koreans have used them as bargaining chips. in this case we don't know what they want. they rejected an american envoy who was on his way over there.
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it was negotiated they were going to get him out and the north koreans said stay back. this is a new regime, the new leader there. i knew the old leaders. but now, everything's a big question mark. >> and you know, the state media in north korea released this video of merrill newman. his hands shaking. >> on this trip i can understand that in u.s. and western countries, there is misleading information and propaganda about pprk. >> obviously, it's something written by them that he is reading out. >> it would be interesting to hear, governor, what you have to say the fact that he has read out an apology. the last time this kind of thing happened, the person was released fairly quickly thereafter. but you say and you are all
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amazed he is a veteran and has been treated like this. to me there is no peace with north korea and one of his command leaders said they were supporting the north korean partisans who did more damage in north korea than the -- >> and the day before he was pulled off the plane and leaving he had a conversation with his tour group leaders about the war and left that conversation upset. we don't know exactly what was said. i mean, is it -- it is possible that it's just some sort of a mistake. do they want a high level delegation so they can get a photo opportunity and make the regime look legitimate. >> they want something. i believe they want a high level delegation. in the past they got jimmy carter and president clinton.
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i used to be the second string and i got a couple out. but in this case there has to be some kind of an end game. the fact that they have two. the fact that one of them is a war veteran. i disagree with the view that the war veteran is someone that the north korean military if there has been in contact the last ten years it's the recovery of remains of north korea cooperation between the u.s. military and north korean military. they handed seven remains to me as a gesture of goodwill in 2007. the north korean military is not engaged in this prisoner process. but is it the foreign ministry, kim jung un himself? the north koreans love the limelight.
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they haven't been in the limelight lately. they are saying we're still around and you have to deal with us. >> kim jung un has got a lot of press coverage for being a different leader with a wife that goes to amusement parks. this is a country with 150,000 people in various forms of concentration camps. they have three generations of punishment deal where it's not just, you know, punishing one person who said something about the regime but that person's family, their parents and their children. >> and don't forget, in march, kim jung un was threatening a nuclear strike against the united states and south korea. that is as out there as you can get. >> ordinarily we might have a back channel, perhaps to china, that might have influence there. but china is just extending its sphere of influence into japan.
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the relationships are not necessarily the best moment for that. but you know, how do you negotiate and reason with crazy? you don't. you demonstrate strength sometimes and america's strength in the world, are we as respected or feared around the world? and a lot of republicans would say no. and you know, this is the argument that -- >> the north koreans have been doing this under george w. bush and barack obama. this -- >> this -- >> how do you demonstrate strength with a regime with nuclear devices? what are you going to do? strength sounds good but it's -- >> the best way to get rid of this regime, which is just pure evil, the most evil regime on earth and of the last century is going to be that china has to decide they want north korea to fall.
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unfortunately the increasing cold war tension between the united states and china will make china cling to north korea over more and give the regime more of an insurance policy. >> i just feel for the family of this man. >> is there any encouragement that in the statement there was something about that if released to the united states, he would speak the truth? were they showing their hand there? governor richardson? >> no. i -- this is a pattern of the north koreans. they make some of these prisoners do confessions. they did it with kenneth bay. they've done it with mr. newman. this is par for the course. they basically feel they have enormous leverage over you. and you know, you're in a north korean prison. you say that. sometimes it's led in the past
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under kim jung un 's father to a release. there was a young man from seattle who confessed and shortly thereafter i was called over to bring him back. but since then, it's been bizarre. although with president clinton and president carter when they went over there were confessions too. and they were released. but with this new, young leader, he's not doing it. he even sent back an american envoy who was going to bring back kenneth bay. he has been there a year, the longest ever. so you know, this is a big unknown, what this young leader wants to do. the problem is that they are developing their nuclear weapons. they are continuing. they are continuing that nuclear reactor. they have five or six nuclear weapons. they have 1.5 million men in arms. so this is a challenge for
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american foreign policy. >> i appreciate you being on. we'll continue to follow it here. and just ahead, rush limbaugh painting the pope red. the panelists take on that next. [ male announcer ] this is george. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts.
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welcome back, you know the reply to the question, is the pope catholic.
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people in the right are asking if the pope communist and no one is asking as loud i as rush limbaugh. listen. >> what this is, somebody has written this for him or gotten to him. this is just pure marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. unfettered capitalism is a liberal socialist phrase to describe the united states. >> got it and karl marx and pope francis. money and social justice do not add up to marxism. back with the panel. >> i mean, look, these guys like to wrap themselves up in the christian cloth and the minute they see a true follower of christ they can barely contain themselves. what he is saying is what we learn in bible school you have to give to the poor and be
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selfless. a rich man is harder to get through the eye of the needle. what kind of nonsense is he spouting? the pope said they have a message for the left and the right. we, our church do not believe in economic power in the hands of the state. markets should function but we have a problem with unbridled capitalism and rising inequality. he is in line with most people around the world. the inequality gap is what everybody is obsessing about and rightly so. >> i think it is because communism is really dead that there is going to be and should be some reaction against what has been happening, which is massive increase in inequality in the united states and around the world. i'm glad it is producing this
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reaction. it emphasizes nonviolence and not a lust for power but the idea that we should see the souls of god in people who are weakest amongst us. and exactly the role the church should be playing at this moment. >> i'm a recovering catholic and particularly a jesuit and he is a jesuit pope. this is in alignment with the jesuit scholarship. they link faith and justice. he -- if he googled jesuit teachings these would come up. they are in line with international and global perspectives. part of their scholarship is having effective communication. these are traditions of jesuit priests and the pope is a true jesuit and living in -- coming from argentina and living with the poor he's going to live this
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out. this is no surprise. this is what catholics are supposed to do. >> there is truth in that. i love rush limbaugh. i think he is right about a lot of stuff. he is right about unbridled capitalism. it is regulated and constrained by everything. >> that's why we have a financial crisis because we are so highly regulated. >> wall street does better under democratic presidents because of the unholy wall street and washington alliance. >> let me bring in ross doubt. what do you make of the comments? >> i am just enjoying. a refreshing change of pace to have the republicans discover the pope is infallible. it's a breath of fresh air. what you see with rush is a
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mirror image of the way a lot of people in the media have covered the pope's words as if this is shocking and dramatic and new. and the reality is that pope francis is laying a particular stress on issues of social justice and trying to do things to highlight the church's solidarity with the poor. but the language of the document itself is consistent with the language that previous popes have used. if you look at benedict xvi's take on socioeconomic issues he says the same kinds of things which is, you know, as i think everyone knows fairly well going back to the new testament itself, christianity and the catholic church has a suspicion on the corruptions of great
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wealth. for political conservatives who are catholic there needs to be an integration where you can say i believe in limited government and believe in a restrained of state power but it's i also have to think about the ways in which policy impacts, as the pope would say, the least among us and issues of solidarity -- i'm rambling a bit here -- but it will be interesting to see in the republican party right now you have a swing back and forth over the last ten years or so from the compassionate conservatism under george bush and then the tea party conservativism. and what is happening now for some politicians on the right like mike lee from utah who has given a bunch of speeches about poverty and opportunity is an attempt to put community back in conservativism. and that's where the pope's
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words might impact politics. >> let me play another thing that he said about this. >> and to hear the pope regurgitating this stuff i was profoundly disappointing. the idolity of money urging politicians to attack the inequality and strive to provide work, health care and education to all citizens. what has been happening the last five years? exactly what this 3457b claims to want. >> i just read a great book by a guy named john mackey who founded whole foods called conscious capitalism. he says the same thing as the pope. he says we all have to eat to live. but that doesn't mean we live just to eat. we all think we have a higher purpose and that in business, business can't exist without profit but does that mean that
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business only exists to profit? why do we all work? we work to take care of those we love and provide a little security and to make the best we can out of ourselves. that's what the pope is saying. this is not an anticapitalist creed. the pope reinforced the principle of catholic, the idea that you push -- >> but with that term, social justice raises red flags. >> the term "social justice" has been used to justify big, dumb, top-down government that has ruined a lot of people, a welfare system -- one of the causes of inequality, it's not the unbridled capitalism it's the end of the american family that started in the early '70s when single moms had a lot of kids in this country. when the divorce rate started going up. when you are single and have a kid you are poor. and the gap between rich and poor is not --
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>> that is precisely -- >> the reason that the pope and the catholic church are important and interesting voices is they challenge both left and right. we have a debate in the united states which we can only think in two catalogs if you are pro choice you must be dovish on foreign policy and want a lot of government intrusion into economics. what is important about hearing from the pope is precisely because he has a moral philosophy which does not respect those boundaries and profoundly challenging to the left and right and allows us to think beyond the narrow categories that so often constrict american behavior. >> he can throw lightning at the eib studios. >> the number number of people going to church has skyrocketed. >> ross i want to give you the final thought. >> i would -- sorry.
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i would just throw out too there are big differences here, the bo pope comes from argentina. capitalism is different and state dominated than in the u.s. and issues of inequality are different in the u.s. whereas worldwide poverty rates have fallen dramatically over the last 20 years. it's a very big picture and the pope is not an economyist and he is providing broad strokes rather than pick out a specific policy agenda. and the challenge for catholics is to translate those broad strokes into more specific policies where we can have interesting disagreements. imagine sitting on a plane on a tarmac and an emergency team tells you and everybody else on board you have been
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passengers aboard a u.s. airways flight from austin. an emergency team got on the plane and took a man off and a firefighter said they should all call their doctor because they were exposed to tuberculosis. the risk of being infected is actually very low. back with us the panel. i don't get why they -- you can't really get tb in under short exposure. a two hour flight. you get it if you are in prison or living with someone. >> and we don't know if he has it or doesn't have it. >> and two different terms, no fly or do not board or whatever the tsa has one and the airline has another.
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i know being a regular and frequent flier i'm afraid of getting a cold. but those are on long-haul flights. but tb? >> i'm obsessed with the germs on the planes. they don't clean the planes or the pillows which are like petri dishes. >> it's like being back in the second grade. you know, in flu and cold season whatever is on that plane, everybody walks off with it. >> i want to talk about the "60 minutes" piece interviewed jeff bezos of amazon. there were criticisms of the piece but it's a lot of attention was focused on amazon's plan to use drones to deliver packages. here is jeff bezos last night. >> we can do half hour delivery. >> half hour delivery and carry objects up to five pounds. >> i don't buy this.
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i don't buy this. >> to be honest nor do i. bill gates was interviewed today. while he admires bezos' innovation. they are called optocopters. >> during the philippine typhoon that amazing drone video which was incredible. i would say that amazon is in the -- my household's bad books right now. my son tried to -- pre-ordered the ps4. and didn't get it. >> it's a brilliant pr move. >> it's a marketing strategy. >> and everyone is talk about the drones. >> there is a secret -- i was watching "heroes" when that was on. but the secret's coming and taunting the producers. if you can guess what the secret is. he played them and here's the
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robots. i think it was a great -- >> do you know why the headlights on a jeep cherokee are round? the team that designed them said that americans are restless and all about what's next. americans are restless and looking over the horizon. the jeep cherokee is a horse and the headlights are round because they are the eyes of the horse. they hold a lot of these things to this frontierish country. we love this. we love what's next. we love anything that lifts our eyes over the horizon. amazon has done a great job. look at health care. we want to reduce health care costs right? how much are we spending today on malaria in the united states in or polio or scarlet fever? the answer is nothing. because innovation, technology, new cures -- >> but -- >> we really -- >> the country -- >> but my point is that this innovative spirit? what is the best way to -- henry
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ford said if i listened to my customers i would have made a faster horse. >> americans like innovation and are jealous of their privacy. the day that we start seeing drones flying all around are the day that people are shooting down the drones. there is a town in colorado where they are giving people drone hunting licenses. this is what is fascinating about this. the march of technology intruding on privacy is coming. but the push back is coming. the push back from americans who are jealous about -- thank goodness about -- >> the criminality will come -- >> >> you can buy a drone for $1,000 now. i did a story on go pro for "60 minutes" a lot of people are attaching go pros to drones and you can get amazing footage. >> there are amazing civilian -- >> but the idea this is going to be -- how does this work?
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time now for what's your story. i'm going to kick it off. earlier tonight i did an interview with the family of jim lovell. they shared their memories of him. he was one of the four killed in the metro north crash. here's some of what they told me about jim.
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>> he was pure goodness. and he lived that and showed that and gave that to his boys every single day. he gave that to his guys that he worked with. he gave that to his family and his brothers and his nieces and nephews. he gave that to his beautiful daughter. i want people to know how good jim was. >> first off i just want to say that my dad was not a victim. i don't want him to be known as a victim. jim lovell was so much more than just a victim. he was a loving father, a great dad, a best friend, uncle. great co-worker, just always had a smile on his face. never had a bad thing to say about anyone. and i just want to say i'm so proud and blessed that i was able to call him my father. >> i just want to say that he
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was a very loving father and i miss him a lot and everybody cared about him. everybody. he was a really big member of the community. and he was so kind. >> that morning he gave me a kiss good-bye in the car like he usually does and we have to cross paths and there was a second kiss. we don't usually do that. it's usually a mad rush to get to the car. so i got a second kiss. >> that is the last time she saw her husband. it's so sad. and i'm always hesitant to talk to kids in the wake of something like this. but we left it up to the mom if she wanted her kids there. they wanted people to know about their dad especially finn who wanted people to remember him as he lived his life. >> thank you for doing that.
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they were so poised and elegant in that 340e789 those young men. thank you for that. >> what's your story? >> my story is not as intense. but it is something i'm obsessed with which is the politics of black hair. and so again in news there was a young girl sent home because her hair -- she was being bullied because her hair was too puffy. she want back to school today and it was unchanged and as a result, she had happy afro day. >> i love her hair. >> it is awesome. but her hair starts things apparently. and black hair starts things, like dante de blasio's hair started something. and his wife's hair is going to start something. and this little girl was poised. she is going back to school as is and then see what people
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think. >> if people have not seen chris rock's documentary about hair it was interesting. >> it's very funny -- >> it starts a conversation. >> it also is the entry point. black hair is an entry point for us to communicate. i'm almost as pale as you are but my hair makes you know i have some proximity to being african in some way. our hair making us -- it locates us, right? >> and malcolm gladwell has written about how differently he was treated when he his hair was bigger, pulled over by police and put under suspicion. >> imagine if barack obama had a different haircut. >> or michelle. >> they did an experiment of her with an afro. she is just trying to wear her
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hair the way it grows out of her head. for a lot of black women the most radical way you can wear your hair is the way it comes out which is up and out. it's happy. >> i had an encounter with a man with olivia picasso. he has got a small cubist painting of his grandfather's which he is raffling for 100 euros per ticket. and you or anybody who, you know, buys a raffle ticket can own a $1 million picasso in aid of a city tyre in lebanon. they are trying to keep it up and put in work schemes for women and other people. it's an interesting idea. it's beautiful. >> where would people go to do that? >> online. >> we can scratch off -- >> we will get the link on the
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website. >> what caught my eye, a study we mentioned earlier, the importance of fathers and families. when families started breaking up, when single moms started having children and single families are poor. is it a money gap or a family gap driving inequality. >> next time, that does it for "ac360 later." thank you for watching, don lemon is up next with a new program, "the 11th hour." be right back. cg/úññ thrusters at 30%! i can't get her to warp. losing thrusters. i need more power. give me more power!
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-- captions by vitac -- you're looking at the spot where "fast & furious" star paul walker died in a crash on saturday leaving his fans and others around the world in shock. what happened? it's 11:00 in the east. do you know where your news is? i'm don lemon. this is "the 11th hour," the last word on today's news and what you'll be talking about tomorrow. is a porche carrera gt just too hot to handle? and america going to pot. almost 40% of you admit to smoking marijuana at least