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-- captions by vitac -- [ cheers awww.vitac.com good evening, everyone. welcome to "ac 360 later." a lot on the table tonight including new evidence that american teenagers are falling behind most of the rest of the world in reading, math and science. also new insight on how men and women's brains are different. and macy's is taken to task for allegedly racially profiling shoppers. we begin though tonight with break news in the new york train wreck that took the lives of four people and sent dozens more to the hospital. now, the engineer william rockefeller, may have been dozing off before his train flew off the tracks going 82 miles per hour on a curve made for 30. with us tonight nick robertson who just talked to mr. rockefeller's attorney chief
international correspondent christiane amanpour and cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin and -- >> you talked to the attorney. what did he have to say? >> he said the engineer had a good night's sleep, he went to bed at 8:30 in the evening, got up at 3:30 in the morning. turned up at work at 5:00 and had no issues getting on the train, driving the train. but he says that moment before -- at some point before he got to the curve he moment airily lost his concentration. he said he was in a daze. the lawyer even doesn't really quite know how to explain it. >> because the union rep has used a different term. >> nod, off. >> right nodding off which seems a lot more severe than just a kind of highway haze. >> what the union rep said to me
was, who hasn't driven in their car at some point when driving late, driving tired and having that moment the sudden shock you were actually dozing off? that's how he puts it. >> isn't it extraordinary that his lawyer is'd mitting thi is ? >> and the union rep. >> i don't know why the feel compelled to talk about this at this point. i'm glad for you because it's a scoop. >> it's interesting. but i think one of the reasons is the feel this sense that the train driver does want to acknowledge at this stage that he does feel responsible for this. and apparently by all accounts, lawyers accounts, union rep's accounts he's going through a terrible time. >> legally what happens? >> he's in a world of trouble. the definition of manslaughter is unintentional homicide. four people died here. and if it's true that he simply fell asleep, i know you're using all these euphemisms, nodding off. if a person in charge of an
enormous train with all those lives in his hands simply falls asleep, that's a crime. as far as i can tell. >> but he may have a defense in there somewhere. i don't note legal arguments. but we do know that there was a lever or something inside the cab knowning cab known as the dead man's control. >> explain about that. >> it's a system by if the driver does have let's say a heart attack or major medical problem or falls asleep that he loses physical control and therefore he releases the control of this lever or pedal or whatever it is which automatically brings a train to a stop. the fact that didn't happen, this is really a legal question, would he therefore be able to say i wasn't really asleep? because if i was this thing would have automatically activated. >> i don't know if that helps him or if it hurts him. it sounds to me like he was not entirely asleep, he was in some level of consciousness.
>> let me bring in a sleep specialist, michael bruce author of "the sleep doctor's diet plan". can you explain, a, what does this sound like to you? this term nodding off, does that mean somebody's asleep? >> well, it can. and then again it may not. i think we're definitely in a realm of something that we're not 100% sure of that we can't understand here. what we do know, however, is that he was on a different shift approximately two days before he took on this shift. and what we're asking him to do is to change his entire circadian rhythm and move his entire body clock within a two days' period of time. well, he may have been able to wake up, he may have been able to even go to work, start the train and move train along and been just fine. but his circadian rhythm could have very easily caught up with him. here's a perfect example. you get up early for a flight and you get on the airplane, you're able to drive to the airport no problem. get on the airplane, check your
bags, all that stuff. the second you get on the airplane what happens? boom. you're out like a light. he was in a very interesting and controlled environment. he was in a closed environment. he had a certain temperature there. he had the humming of the engine. he had a lot of different things there that could easily make somebody, te extremely tired in their own circadian rhythm which could make them potentially sleepy. >> you would think if it was a matter of nodding off which people have experienced driving you usually try to shift positions, stand up. if he was heading into a turn which he knew about and was a big turn, you would think if he's nodding off and it wasn't a full-on sleep he could rectify that. but if he actually february asleep that's something different. >> absolutely. that's exactly what i'm thinking. i think that he had a great likelihood to be completely asleep. granted i wasn't there.
i wasn't in the cab with him. i don't know. when you start to talk about the dead man's switch that's another interesting fact. there are plenty of people who can do a lot of different things in they sleep, including muscle control. if he had hold of that switch and was holding onto it, there are a lot of people out there who could still maintain that kind of muscle control and still hold onto that switch depending upon how his arm was facing, wrist was moving where he could have easily held onto that switch for an extended period of time. >> the ntsb said that they will go back over a 72-hour period to see what he'd been doing in the 72 hours before they say had started the day before a new five-day shift. is a 72-hour period sufficient for the ntsb to go back and take this circadian rhythm change you're talking about? >> this is exactly the right question to ask. one of the things i've been thinking about is, think about when you travel through time zones woo. know thought takes the human body approximately one day per
hour of time zone cross. well, if he had to change his bedtime so he was going to bed on this new shift at 8:30, waking up at 3:30, but let's say that in fact he was going to bed at a different time. let's say he was going to bed at 10:00 or 11:30 on his previous shift now we're asking him to go to bed two or three hours earlier his body didn't have time to catch up or circadian rhythm. i don't know the particulars about exactly when he was going to bed. >> let me ask you a question about personal responsibility. this seems lying maybe he had a difficult scheduling situation. don't people have some control over their own bodies? what about having a cup of coffee? what about splashing cold water on your face? what about knowing that you're driving a train with hundreds of people's lives at stake? isn't that something that's relevant as well as his circadian rhythm? >> i think that's actually another great point. let's talk about biology here. so having responsibility is one
thing. but you're driving along. let's be honest. this is a guy who's a ten-year veteran. this isn't his rookie season being an engineer. this is somebody who knows exactly what he's doing. he's highly skilled and trained. he knows exactly what he's doing. he was driving the train very well up until this point. i actually don't know how we would be able to determine thought was necessarily his fault per se. if i had to be pointing fingers i would really start to look at how are these companies actually putting these engineers potentially at risk by not allowing them to move into these shifts in a different way. >> that would certainly be the question they would have. what are the policies here that protect both the driver and the passenge passengers. zbleks a >> exactly. >> has he submitted to a blood test? >> he has. toxicology results aren't back. he has passed the breathalyzer exams. he's a 10-year veteran.
but apparently he only started working on this particular line two weeks ago. it's perhaps not enough to be that familiar with. even though you're getting into that semidozed or dozed state, there won't be a reflex knowing that you've just gone deep down 40 minutes or whatever it was past the last station. you knew you were coming to an end. >> he was barrelling 80 miles per hour. >> so we've got a change in shifts, a new track. it opens up a lot. >> when you look at all these things and read all the reports, some of these train safety specialists and others have been talking about positive train control technology. in other words, a whole mechanical thing involving gps and other things they should have in a lot of these things. apparently a lot of resistance because of cost. surely this is another moment where are going have to reconsider that. >> ntsb has made that point very heavily today they've been calling for this 20 years. >> michael, just before we go on break very quickly for folks out there who do have problems sleep
whog have to adjust for schedules what's your quick advice? >> one of the things they could have done was they should really provide light therapy for these engineers in the early morning hours. since there's no night, we know that sunlight almost recently sets somebody's biological clock. they're available, light boxes. >> the work? >> absolutely. there's proven clinical data to show the work. i've used them in my patients and they work like a charm. i have plenty of patients phase delayed or phase advanced. their body clocks are out of sync and we can get them back in sync. >> you say stick to a kid yulsc. even on night shift or days off stick to it as normally as possible. >> if he went to bed every night at 8:30 and woke up at 3:30 and he'd been doing that for weeks and weeks and weeks at a time his body is going have a much better chance of adjusting and less of a chance of this
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♪ welcome back. thanks for your tweets. a new study is add together mountain of evidence that the united states just is not making grade when it comes to education in a test given to 15-year-olds around the entire world, american students were far below average in math and only about average in science and reading. the top five scores in each subject were from shanghai, china, singapore, hong kong, tie wand and south korea. way down in 36th place, the united states. now with our panel christiane amanpour, jeffrey toobin, amy holmes and phil harper author of "letters ton in cars rated brother" and star of usa network's "covert affairs." what do you make of the study? >> it apparently has happened over the last 30 years. we used to be number one, number one in college graduates, number one in math and science. and what popped out to me in the study is the disparity of how
much in shanghai which is number one, how competitive it is to get a job as a teacher, how height salaries are. that it's considered a great job. >> same in finland. like the top 10% of graduates get the jobs as teachers. that's not the case here. >> very respected job. >> right and rewarded as well. which is obviously also an issue sometimes. although it seems in the united states, they're throwing a lot of money at the issue. >> theyer throwing a lot of money. but when you look at the actual stats they're not throwing as much money in certain areas as other countries. some of the countries doing better for instance have more money thrown at the schools where actually they need it. the disadvantaged schools. here it's one of the few countries that throws more money in schools where people are better off. >> that's because the public schools are funded through property taxes. >> and the teacher-student ratio is worse here than in some of the countries that are doing a lot better. >> you also have to look at culture. >> of course. >> in mountains of studies in the united states that parental
involvement is the number one predictor of student success. >> of course. >> there was some good news, which was that lower income kids are actually doing better. >> doing better comparatively. but not overall. >> well, they're doing better than they had been. which is good. and one question i had for you, what about the common core which has gotten a lot of attention lately? which says we need to start measuring american students and have a curriculum for american students that is comparable to what the did in shanghai. >> let me actually bring in sal caan founder of the caan academy, author of the one-room schoolhouse education being reimagined. what do you make of the core curriculum? is that something certainly the obama administration has been pushing. is that something you support? >> yeah. there's been a lot of confusion, i would say sometimes misinformation about the common core. but it's a far more rigorous
standard than what has been used in most of the states. it allows states to pool resources for people like khan academy to cater to more folks. it's much more about the conceptual understanding of core ideas as to opposed to going through a superficial way many ideas. modelled over standards like singapore. so i think it's a positive. >> so what needs time prove ho here? clearly it's not just an issue of money i assume? >> no. not just an issue of money. and at the kahn academy we try to take a step back. it is interesting to look at the pisa scores, to see where these countries rank. but it's also important to kind of take a step back from that. because even while our scores have kind of been middling and sometimes declining up, the level of innovation in the u.s. has been accelerating. if you asked anyone in the world what's the top ten most innovative countries or where would you want to be an entrepreneur people would say the u.s. so there are some things the
tests aren't measuring. creativity, inventiveness, drive, whatever it might be. in my mind especially on the math which is where kahn aacademy is more focused it's a global issue where students are being pushed along, promoted along based on for lack of a better word seat time as opposed to competency. they'll get a superficial understanding of basic ex upon ents and moved on to negative logarithms. even though the might have a c, -- or f. opposed to mastering concepts. >> sal talks about how america is such a creative, innovative culture. there's an interesting side note which says that some specialists and economists are worried about torper in the economy. up until now they said the american economy has been so inventive and resilient it has been able to function even in
problems with student graduates this and that not up to snuff. in the future it might not be able to. the skilled labor force will have an impact on the economy. i would have thought it always had. but now it hasn't. >> high technology companies are actually drawing on educated immigrant labor, not necessarily here native american labor. again point to go the failure of our schools to educate our kids. >> but there's a difference. see what we have, it sort of mirrors our economy in many ways, the study shows us that the top-performing u.s. private schools outperform anybody in the world. so it's not that -- our top students are still top. the problem is, it's the vast majority of our students that are going into our public school system where we're underperforming. >> when you compare those to other countries like in japan, for instance, i was just talking to a japanese colleague here before we came on, it's actually considered better to get into a public school in japan than a private school. in parts of europe as well. >> as i understand the data from
these, our better students are actually not doing as well as the better students in singapore, that it used to be the case that the gooud good students -- sal, what do you know about that? that our better students who used to be at the top level are actually when you look at the latest data are not doing as well as they used to? >> yeah. my reading was what you just mentioned, that our top core and our top students aren't at the top of the list as was mentioned. they're kind of someplace in between. but once again, i do want to stress, this should absolutely be a cause of concern. we should be intro respecting on something as important of education but this is one measure. if you look at the patents file, some of the interesting things if we wanted to focus on the top students that they're doing, think theyer comparable to the very build in the world. >> sal when i talked to you a few months ago you talked about flipping classroom. one things kahn academy does is
flipping you. also said the education system we inherited from prussia 200 years ago, prussia doesn't exist anymore and the system has to change. is that still your view? >> yeah, absolutely. this isn't a u.s.-specific thing. the prussian model of education, prussia was kind of the seed of modern germany, is the education model that's used everywhere including singapore and south korea and finland. >> what is flipping? i don't know what that is? >> flipping is the idea -- i started off making videos on youtube and getting letters from teacher you've give an reasonable lecture of photosynthesis or factors polynom polynomials. the teachers said let the students access their own time and pace. they don't have to be embarrassed if they forgot something. class time is all about problem solving what was dedicated to homework. that allows the classroom to be
interactive, allows students to communicate with each other, teach each other and get the important part of the problem solving. >> does anyone at this table know what a polynomial is? i have no idea. >> it depends on kids having that time carved out at home where there is a focus on homework, there is a value on educational team and achievement. i would be remiss if i didn't mention school choice in washington, d.c. there's the opportunity scholarship fund that is now finding 91% high school graduation rates for kids from families who only make $21,000 a year getting 91% graduation rate. that is a huge success that i think we should be seeing more on the front pages. >> what is a polynomial? sal? >> it's an expression with -- i don't want to get technical. >> come on, sal. >> there's videos on kahn academy on youtube. >> i'm going to look at a video because i'm embarrassed.
>> about parents again, i talked to a woman who had written a book about what we can learn abroad. basically she said as a woman in japan she noticed she was the only woman, only mother in the playground hovering around her child, helicoptering around her child. the japanese moms were letting the children fall over, make mistakes, figure out what to do. so also this whole personal incentive and not being too someti stymied. >> we have to take a break. up next, in new york macy's big department store is being subpoenaed about questions of racial profiling. we'll take it to the panel next. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues
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♪ welcome back to the discussion. new york retailers including macy's and barney's big department stores accused of stopping and questioning african-american customers accusing them of shoplifting or in the case of actor rob brown star of the hbo series "tremet" credit card fraud. he was handcuffed. macy's is being slapped with a subpoena from the commission on human rights new york. they are ordered to turn over their theft policies and theft data. how big of an issue do you think this is? >> i come at this from a very personal side. i've been followed many times
when guy shopping and it's humiliating, it's bothersome. and it makes you angry. because you go to a place because you actually want to purchase something and you look over your shoulder and there's someone actually following you. it becomes in a game in a way. are the following now? >> they're not following you they're ignoring you. when you go to the dress room they say can i take some items out of your dressing room? because they think you're shoplifting. it becomes a sour experience. >> macy's and barneys are located in the united states. this is what happens to black people in the united states. whether its driving a car, i'm sure a lot of people are familiar with the concept dwb, driving while black. black people get stopped in cars by cops more than while people do. they get stopped in department stores.
this is just what happens. >> and we know that they feel the prisons in this country. the data is appalling. when you look at marijuana for instance statistics show that young black and young whites are equally likely to smoke marijuana. but young black get arrested four times as many times as whites or in some cases eight times as many whites. the decks are stacked. >> the legal penalties that come with the same carrying et cetera et cetera. what we're talking about here basically is racial profiling from a stop and frisk standpoint, talking about in a store. and we're a better country than this type of behavior. >> apartmend macy's is a better than this. in the college in summers i worked in retail, a sales girl worked for a department store in seattle bought by macy's. we were instructed don't try to catch shoplifts you can't. a professional shoplifter is very clever, very savvy. you're not going to spot them.
number two the biggest thieves the biggest shoplifters in the store are the employees, not the customers. so i'm not sure what macy's or barneys thinks they're gaining about this but they're getting a b bad press. >> it also reflects the mindset of a lot of people is that they look at a black person and think criminal. >> yes. >> so they respond. [ overlapping speakers ] >> look at what president obama said about trayvon martin. that could have been my son. any black parent when they see what happens to these kids, please don't wear a hoody if you're a young black by. >> boy. >> my father taught me when i get pulled over by the cops. not if but when. taught me okay you're going to keep your hands on the wheel. he ran me through all these rules to make sure i didn't become a victim. they say i saw him reaching for
something and it was a mistake. should i have to hear that from my dad? he's trying to protect me. but you were talking about the arrest statistics and incarceration statistics, we lock up 60 times more people in this country than any other industrialized nation in the world. most are black and brown. we have an incarceration crisis in this country. no one wants to talk about it. we don't have the political will to talk about >> it that's not entirely true. the attorney general of the united states eric molder is talking about lowering minimums. you see republicans now who are saying we are incarcerating way too many people, it costs way too much, doesn't help. >> grover norquist, ne newt ginh have been in favor of incarceration reform. i'm tough on crime rather smart
on crime. >> there is this white sort of privilege that a lot of white people have. i probably have it as well growing up. that the assumption that the police are there to help you, which i don't think is the same assumption that it sounds like you were given from your dad early on. the assumption was they weren't there to help you. the assumption the store is -- i think if white people started to be sort of stopped and questioned as aggressively in department stores, there would be a greater level of outrage among the shopping population. >> when guy shopping, i know they need to dress up, i need to wear my little status purse so that i'm treated at least like the average customer. >> which is insane. >> in that store. i was also taught like hill to stand up for myself. my parents said if this happens to you you go to management. you go to h.r. and you say exactly who was treating you this way. and i have done that. and i've gone back to the store and seen that person get very nervous. >> there's a wonderful quote by cornell west at the beginning of the ichbtduction of michelle
alexander's book "the new jim crow" if white males were locked up at young blackmail -- males there would be a national crisis. >> if this had been happening to white people, this would be national headlines. >> pretty tough interviews on. >> it an example of a type of profiling that is done uniform is in california dui stops. the don't just stop -- they don't let mercedes drive through the stop and only stop so-called poor cars, et cetera. everybody gets stopped at a dui stop. they set up across the road if you do a u turn you get caught. if you're going to stop people, follow people, follow everybody. stop everybody. stop the guys in wall street on the way to work and see if they have any illegal prescription drugs in their pocket. >> we just had a narrow election
in new york where stop and frisk was a big issue. the police have been enormously successful in new york. crime is down enormously. yet the way the law had been enforced in black neighborhoods or minority neighborhoods got people so angry they were ready to vote out anyone associated with the current regime because they felt humiliated by the cops. >> hope the community and law enforcement are working together instead of in an adversarial way. >> we'll see glt police chief was determined that this would stay. >> that's a big reason bill deblasio won. he said it would not stay. >> we'll see who becomes police chief. up next turns out the whole men are from mars, women are from venus thing may not be far off. new research on how our brains are wired differently. be right back.
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men have more neural connections from the front to back of the brains while women have more from the left to right. theks plains why men may be better at tasks involving perceptions and coordination and women may be better analyzing and intuition. anthropologist at rutgers university is author of "the first sex the natural talents of women and how they're changing the world." do you believe that there are neural differences? >> there's so much information. this is just the newest article on it. no reason why men and women wouldn't be alike. for millions of years they did different jobs. natural selection weeded out workers and selections of the brains of people who could do the work. men and women have very different skills. but we were built to put our
heads together. i think men and women are like two feet. the need each other to get ahead but they're not alike. what was great for me other than the basic brain data the really foe tissed on the complement airity of the seconds, this is bad, et cetera et cetera. the fact that theyer built to work together. >> there has been such a despair for differences between men and women to be eliminated obviously in the workplace and others. does this run count for that? >> i make a lot of speeches in the business community. they really want to know who women are. they don't really care about any sort of political or ideological facts. they just want to know who women are so they can do a better job at keeping them employed and bringing their contributions to the marketplace. remarkable the things women are good at and have been good at in millions of years. >> sorry to interrupt. i'm a woman. what can i do? what was so interesting about this time study suggests that men are good at perception and coordination. women are good at everything
else [ laughter ] >> the facts also show that when you have gender parity, gender equality in every walk of life, in every field, whether on the battle field or in the classroom or in the board room or whatever, society is healthier, it functions better and there's absolutely no doubt about. >> it a great deal of data from the world economic forum all the way down to various studies. for millions of years they worked together. in fact what's really nice now is that we're shedding the last 10,000 years of our agrarian tradition where women were stuck in the home. and women are back in the job market where the were 1 million years ago. a million years ago women commuted to gather their fruits and vegetables, came home with different. it was a complement airity. >> aren't these studies just reinforcing what people have expected of the sexes rather than anything inherent about them? >> what do you mean? >> the idea that there is some like deep inherent difference
between men and women? isn't it really the fact you've been socially -- men and women have been socially conditioned differently? >> but there are so many studies in 22 countries that women are on average better at verbal skills, better at reading posture gesture tone of voice. from millions of years of holding the baby in front of your face, controlling, reprimanding, educating with words. for millions of years men had to hit that buffalo in the head with a rock before it stampeded him. for that they've got this brain circuitry. >> i don't buy that at all. >> you're just being an lud right now. >> what are you scared of? you're scared of something? >> i think what you're scared of, a lot of feminists are very fright fund we know there are gender differences it will be used against women. >> that's right. >> and that's me. >> these days we have to change our perspective because women are piling into the job market in cultures around the world. and we need to know who they are. >> there's another important reason for this.
if we are looking more closely and scientifically at the brain not politically neural disease needs to be addressed. >> that's the pony of thint of kechlt i have spoken with so many scientists, they weren't doing the study on gender differences at all then did the study and found the gender differences. >> so thus what? thus we do what differently. >> i'll tell you thus. what one of the major parts of the world we're all massively concerned about is the arab and muslim world. women are not just third class or fourth class but 20th class citizens. >> they're wasting one half of their population. what does the undp, the development reports for the last several years have shown that this very rich part of the world in human and natural resources is what way behind other countries. why? because half the population is disempowered, forbidden from working, forbidden from -- >> that makes a difference. >> in war and peace, economic
health, society. >> it makes a huge difference but it has nothing to do with how people's brains are wired. it's just discrimination. >> of course. >> i have a question. this is important to me. really important. i went to officer candidate school in the marine corps. and the study said that men are supposed to be better map readers. that's the part when i was in the marine corps officer training school i failed and i took my team into a river or something. what does that say about my brain? >> that there's human variation. and for example, bill clinton has a great deal of high estrogen qualities in him. he cries easily, very verbally skilled, very good people skills, he's imaginative, the whole world knows he can't stop talking. he has a lot of the traits of the female brain. whereas his wife i think hillary is tough-minded, direct, decisive. so you're going to see variation. >> doesn't it sound to me like a bunch of stereotypes that should be based on anything that hillary is a man and --
>> i didn't say hillary was a man. >> and bill acts like a woman? i don't buy that. >> naysayer. >> biology has been telling us for years, this is just another part and another step in the sky athens actual science that men and women are wired differently. it doesn't mean that men should have x opportunity and women should have y opportunity. >> it's how do you make a team, build a corporate board, build a team to do things? you want to know the skills of various people so you can make a complementary team that works together appropriately. >> jeffrey to your point, i love superheroes. math was my favorite subject. i read science fiction when i was a pre-teen. i'll do the math end. you do the talking. >> all right. we've got to leave it there. it's good to have you on. thanks very much. up next hill harper who's on the panel tonight, new paul walker the actor who tragically died in a car crash over the weekend worked together in a movie. hill's thoughts next. we'll be right back.
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time now for what's your story? i want to begin with hill harper who knew paul walker who died in a car crash in weekend at the age of 40 years old. you were in "the skulls". >> we did that film together. it was the beginning of both of our careers. >> like 2000? >> yes, around 2000. and rob cohen directed it. wonderful film. we spent all this time shooting this. his director actually kills me in the movie. and i remember, one of the most precious memories i have we went to the initial screening of the rough cut of the movie. as i'm walking up to the theater he runs up to me. hill we're going to do this cool movie. they had just signed to do "red line" which became "fast and the furious." it was the beginning same director beginning of the stardom. such a generous spirit, wonderful person. my heart just goes out to him and his family. just an amazing guy.
it's a big loss. >> 40 years old. it's unthinkable. during what's your story we usually go back to the panel and just find out some stories that people have been interested in by the way, sal kahn earlier used polynomials. i'm not sure what it is. we've been wondering what they are every since. here's a quick video of sal kahn explaining polynomial. >> it might sound like a really fancy word. really all it is is an expression that has a bunch of variable or constant terms in them that are raised to none zero encomponents that. also probably sounds complicated so let me show you an example. if i were to give you x squared plus 1 this is a polynomial. this is binary because it has two terms. >> we're done. jeff what's your story? >> i'd like to talk about my favorite twitter feed. michael besloss does a twitter feed that is nothing but old
photographs. usually from the early part of the 20th century. many of them early color photographs involving some celebrity, some political figures. and they are all distinctive. a lot of fun. beshlossdc. people should check it out. >> christiane? >> i was going to say my favorite story was about the pope, pope francis, going out and working with the poor, sneaking out of the vatican at night. that has been debunked by the vatican. apparently he doesn't do that. so my favorite story i got out of the car tonight and dropped my blackberry in the grate, in the sewer. a heroic security guy got it out for me. >> the problem is you still shouldn't have a blackberry. >> who are you doing with a blackberry? >> maybe you should have left it. >> yeah. >> when it fell in there. it was a sign. >> you need the buttons. >> amy what's your story? >> my story is about the pope,
pope francis. we are on the same track not just blackberries. it was revealed today that the pope used to be a bouncer. >> i heard that. >> fantastic. he was a bouncing in ben knoe ir reese. he says he wants to bounce people into the church instead of out of bars. >> my story this guy who was a cook on a tugboat off the coast of nigeria. the boat sank. everybody on the boat was killed except for him. he survived for almost three days in an air pocket inside this upside down boat some 90 feet underneath the water. divers went to go and retrieve the bodies of the crew, thinking everybody was dead after three days. and the divers, we didn't prepare the video but there's video -- here it is. these are divers. they could only see a few inches expecting to find dead people. all of a sudden a hand comes out of the darkness, grabs them and
this is good night who has been staying there for 2 1/2 days. he only had a can of coke for the 2 1/2 days that he was there. that's him in better times. but again here's the hand reaching out and grabbing the diver. can you imagine being a daiichier, all prepared to just find corps -- a diver being prepared to just find corpses and a murky hand grabs you out of the darkness. >> >> i loved the diver said he was the cook. of course the cook always survives. the nautical myth the cook always survives. he was the cook. >> 90 feet underwater. the boat was upside down so there was this air pocket. it was pitch black. so for 2 1/2 days, can you imagine how terrifying that is? not knowing if anybody would come to find you ever. slowly running out of air. they put a diving helmet on him, got him up and had to put him
into decompression tanks for days. >> i wonder how they pushed the boat up. >> it's a tugboat. it's not a little row boat. also 90 feet is -- >> it's heavy. pressure. >> yeah. [ overlapping speakers ] >> not a kayak. >> that does it for our panel. thanks very much for watching "ac 360 later." appreciate it. don lemmon is up next with a new program "the 11th hour." program "the 11th hour." we'll see you tomorrow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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