tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN December 7, 2013 1:00am-2:01am PST
i want to thank my studio audience and my special guest, pastor rick warren. the new book is "the daniel plan," i will be starting it in january. that's it for us tonight. see you here next time. good evening everyone. breaking news, an ice storm is a killer storm and people from california to kentucky, duluth, minneapolis to dallas, texas are caught in the deadly grip and how south africa and the world is saying good-bye to nelson mandela and my conversation with maya angelou and gary player about the power to inspire people to imagine a better world and make it real. and later, you'll meet a man who spent 18 years in prison and came close to being executed for a murder he didn't commit despite evidence he didn't do it. we begin tonight with breaking news of freakish and
dangerous weather pattern that made it possible to experience a 105 degree swing from miami where it was 80 to montana where it was minus five. super cold rain is falling, freezing and coating a big chunk of the country in misery and mayham. >> reporter: two days ago here in arkansas, the state was reaching near record high temperatures, 75 degrees on wednesday. today, try 26 and a dangerous layer of ice coating the roads, cars spun out and power lines weighed down with the frozen rain. >> the biggest problem we got right now, no traffic on the road. therefore no traffic when we put the salt and sand down, sleet come down and sit on top of it and sit there, and until there's really stop, i don't think we'll see any improvement at all.
>> reporter: dallas, texas is nearly shut down at 26 degrees, it was colder there today than in alaska, causing the city to counsel this weekend's downtown holiday parade and annual marathon. the freakish weather causing the cancellation of more than 1,000 flights in and out of dallas-fort worth, airports and highways across the region are littered with accidents causing pipe ups. in illinois cars slid on highways and onto the side of the road and medians. in some cases, the weather has been deadly. five deaths have been attributed to the storm and the sudden drastic change in weather in memphis caused some with no place to go, trying to find places to get out of the cold. >> this weather is getting to be awful. rainy, very rainy, very wet, chilly and there's no place for the homeless downtown memphis. it's unusual at this time of year.
>> reporter: and this may not be over. a new storm hitting the region this weekend is expected to bring more winterly snow by wednesday. >> crazy to see dallas shut down. the storm is active and another behind it and as always, we have chad myers keeping an eye on things. what's the latest? i haven't seen dallas like that in awhile. >> you know what? 120,000 square miles all the way to nashville. that's the size for california covered in a layer of ice right now. now if you changed over to snow like columbus and louisville and cincinnati you're good, you're done. you won't see more ice there. once you get to the snow it's over. sure you pile up snow. snow is easier to drive in than what they are dealing with in dallas and memphis and arkansas. there is so much ice.
it happens when the air on the ground is 30. this morning some spots were 28 and it's raining because it's warm aloft. those rain drops hit the ground and they freeze and there is nothing you can do. you're a passenger in your own car. the deal here, there is another thing. i know we're talking about this storm but for a major metropolitan area, washington d.c. sunday night into monday there is another ice event happening. there may be a half to one inch of ice in the nation's capitol, snow to the southwest but the ice is the biggest deal and i believe the nation's capitol could be an absolute mess monday morning. sunday is okay. you can stay home. monday people have to get out and i don't think many people will get out. i know the forecast, a lot of people you've heard this, it will get warm and not be bad. i don't believe it's going to be warm. it's going to be 30 and 32 through monday morning and the ice won't melt.
we'll have it for you because after that, anderson, there is another storm for tuesday and wednesday that is now threatening the west warm air to the south and much, much colder to the north. >> no relief, chad, thanks very much. i want to go next to south africa where plans are coming to focus for the global farewell to nelson mandela. george w bush and clinton and more planning to attend the services. so you've been outside nelson mandela's home over the course of the day and the night. what's the mood like? did you see today? >> reporter: it's 3:00 in the morning here, anderson, and as you can see from this makeshift memorial behind me, it's quiet here. it's -- there's a real sense of spirit and this is a bourbon street. the memorial you see behind me is a police barricade that has just been gardened with flowers
and little candles flickering, very personal messages from people of all walks of life. they have literally come here throughout the last 27 hours since we hear he died and people have written personal notes and left personal flowers out of their guardian and it's a sense of country. we spoke to one man out here who knew he was sick. he knew this was imminent but still can't quite believe that nelson mandela is gone. >> we've been learning more about the mourning period underway. what's the latest on the memorial and funeral plans? >> reporter: well, i think the key is is that there are -- there are two big events. there's this memorial on tuesday and a big state funeral on sunday and the locations of both couldn't be more different. on tuesday we're looking at a memorial, which we're going to see president obama at, which is
in a big football stadium, soccer stadium and what is also key about that, there won't be tickets issued. people will be invited. they can come because this is going to be a very public event. you can hear people starting to sing behind me. everybody feels that this is their funeral, too. and that's also going to be the key with that state funeral on sunday. just think about it, it's going to be the largest state funeral probably in recent memory in one of the most remote parts in south africa, under a tent in the hills where nelson mandela grew up. from a security point of view, both events will be very, very challenging. >> we'll continue to follow it all weekend. let us know what you think on twitter. tweet us using hash tag "ac 360." we'll have a remarkable conversation with legendary maya angelou. i talked to her before the broadcast and the nelson mandela you might not have known.
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the white house tweeted it out. here is an excerpt. >> his day is done, done. his wings came on a day reluctant to carry his burden. nelson mandela's day is done. no sun out lasts it's sunset but will raise again and bring the dawn. nelson mandela's day is done. we confess it in tearful voices, yet, we lift our own to say thank you, thank you our david, our great courageous man. we will not forget you. we will not dishonor you. we will remember and be glad that you lived among us, that you taught us, and that you loved us, all.
>> i spoke with dr. maya angelou shortly before air time. dr. angelou, i watched the poem you wrote and recited and one of the things you struck me, you refer to him as david, not just south africa's david out our david, our david and our giddian. >> a man, a woman we can all be that particular person who has enough courage to stand up and say i am one. i have enough courage to dare to be a lover, not an indulger but something who dares to love. that's what nelson mandela was about. he had enough courage to say i am -- you may call me. i am a person who dares to care for other human beings. and you see, one of the reasons
i said this to you some time ago when i had the pleasure of speaking to you, anderson, cooper, i like the fact that you have enough courage to stand up. courage is the most important of all the virtues. >> the thing about mandela that i find so extraordinary in reading his history is from a very young age he had the courage to see beyond his own situation. i mean, he was born into a, you know, a regional family. he had access to education. he could have stayed in his community, but he saw -- he started to see himself as an african, not just as a hossa. he started to see himself and how the white regime was dividing people by stressing ethnic differences and he was able to overcome that. and i think that's such an extraordinary thing. >> it's true. it's true. he was a courageous human being,
and full of the idea that he was on a journey and he had something to do. he had a place to be, and it's fabulous to realize that there is an old spirit, an old song which is -- ♪ i'm on my journey now mount zion and i wouldn't take nothing, mount zion ♪ he was on a journey and he knew it, and he had something to do, and this is what each of us has. if we have enough courage, we can say i'm on a journey. i have a charge to keep. >> you were living in cairo with your husband, a south african freedom fighter when you first met nelson mandela. you said your husband and
mandela were rivals but that didn't matter. tell us about that experience. >> their were rivals but when nelson mandela came to visit, he never joined the argumentative people. he was simply kind to everybody. >> when you heard that he was gone, what first went through your mind? >> well, i felt lost in a way. we've been friends so long from the early '60s, and i felt lost. i didn't know quite what to say. i mean, it was a -- it was a piece of news that we have known would come, but it threw me, and i'm -- i don't know if i'm over it quite yet. >> dr. angelou, appreciate you spending some moments with us tonight.
thank you so much. >> i thank you very much, mr. anderson cooper. thank you, god bless you. >> how awesome is she? much has been made of nelson mandela's talent. the 1995 rugby world cup, remarkable, mandela wearing the uniform of a team adored by white africaners as a symbol of apartheid. that resinated on and off the playing field. or in gary players case, the golf course. he was moved by mandela and a 1966 sports illustrated profile john under wood says he feels critics are not aware how the black natives of south africa are. there are growing children who will some day be ready for the responsibility of adulthood but in the meantime must be given guidance in christian compassion. the same year the player writes he lives in a country which is
quote the product of its instinct and ability to maintain civilized values and standards amongst the alien bar barrens. the gary player today is not the gary player of 1966. we spoke earlier. gary, you tell a remarkable story about the first time you met nelson mandela after he was released from prison. explain what happened. >> well, i was invited and he had an office in johannesburg, and i went there, and of course, i saw the place he lived in and was persecuted for doing the right thing, not the wrong thing, trying to promote democracy and my heart was filled with pain and admiration that a man that could spend over 25 years in jail would have no hatred, no revenge and only the
greatest word that exist in any language or dictionary is love, because love is god. i said i appreciate you leading us into a new era of true democracy and i said i've never -- he sat there, which is typical of african tradition. he had no shoes on. sitting in his office relaxing and i said i'm going to kiss your feet, which i've never done in my life before and never will do to anyone else, and it's the only one i can tell you for the pain i have in my heart and admiration for you. you think about it, he's taken us into this new democracy, a thing i thought i would never see, a, a black president of america, or a black president of south america and i'm privileged to have the opportunity to see both. >> he said many times that sport had the power to change the world. he understood what it meant to
the people of south africa. he use that power to unite people. >> anderson, let's go to the world. let's see what he said. he said sports can change the world. he says people that live in despair, people that have no hope, no education, have no money, through sport and he quoted often to me, look at the african american athletes that have came from broken homes and didn't have much that became multi millionaires and set the bar for young people to take part in sports and stay out of trouble. i mean, sport and remember that a sportsman, you take a man like tiger woods, he goes on for a career like jack nickelous, arnold palmer and myself. i've been a profor 60 years. they can go on forever. >> do you remember the moment when mandela wore the jersey and the hat? do you remember that moment? very much so.
you must remember rug by, we were champions several times and it was a white man sport. the stadium stood up. i get goose pimples. the warmth, the feeling and he changed the rugby. we have many representatives of all teams in all sports excelling. when i shook hands with him the first time, i won the masters and i had won all these world titles and he said i won't wash my hands for the next month. imagine a man of that magnitude saying something like that. >> he had remarkable humility at all stages of his life. gary player, such a pleasure to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you, sir.
just ahead from prisoner to president, nelson mandela's journey was a long and complicated one. he began his fight as a revolutionary prepared to die for his cause and as we go to break, the scene at nelson mandela's home. this late in the morning in south africa, about 3:20 in the morning, paying respects, celebrating the nation that he and they built together. <
him his power as a symbol of the struggle grew. when he came to new york after months after his release he was welcomed as a hero. the city through a parade for him. the u.s. ambassador worked in the mayor's office then and recalls being overwhelmed with his presence. >> after the parade we were in the private chambers and is alone with him and awe struck sharing at him for a period. at some point i heard somebody say young man can i trouble you for a glass of water? i realized that he had been waiting on me to get him some water and i raced and did it and practically spilled it on him and i have to tell you, i've never felt more honored serving someone and i just wish i could do a little bit more for him. >> over the next four years, mandela was spear head negotiations. his journey from prisoner to president, transformed him from a revolutionary to a peacemaker.
>> there is room for all the various races in this country. >> reporter: nelson mandela began the revolution in hiding, willing to do almost anything to end the apartheid regime, including violence. >> there are many people who feel it's useless for us to continue talking peace and non-violence against the government does it apply is only salvage and unarmed and defenseless people. >> reporter: his movement, the african national congress was banned. the young lawyer helped establish a military wing called the spear of the nation. he was appointed the commander in chief. mandela said he would pay any price for freedom. >> if it need be, it is an idea for which i am prepared to die. >> reporter: his inspiration was none other than fidel castro's 1959 communist revolution in
cuba. three decades later freed from prison, one of the first trips was to thank castro for his support. >> long live fidel castro. >> there was mandela's fierce loyalty to anybody who had stuck by him personally and by the anc, the african national congress, his party, during his long 27 years in prison and castro did and mandela never forget it. >> reporter: in 1964, mandela and other anc leaders faced the death penalty accused of trying to over throw the government by force. >> we believed that the death sentence was going to be passed on some of us, and that is how we should be mortals and disappear under a cloud of glory. >> reporter: mandela, the revolutionary found common purpose with socialist,
communist and other revolutionary leaders like gaddafi. >> cuba, iran, all my friends and i propose to honor that friendship. i welcome the friendship with the united states of america and other powers. >> reporter: the united states put mandela on the terror watch list. it wasn't until 2008 that president george w. bush removed him from it. what did mandela think of being called a terrorist? >> i tell other people who say those struggling for operation as a terrorist, i tell them that i was also a terrorist yesterday, but today i'm admired by the very people who said i was one. robin joins me again and charles ogletree, professor at harvard law school.
one activist said moral leaders go to places that are sometimes unlikely and unexpected for their cause. it's okay to see them as a hero but a hero with flaws. what do you make of that statement? >> i think he's a great hero, and i think the flaws need to be taken into context. he's a man who suffered a lot, spent 27 years in jail, treated differently because he was a part of the apartheid system, many people in africa didn't have support. i like what he was able to do and he's a transcended guy who will have impact not just now but well into the 21st and 22nd century because of what he's able to do. >> it's interesting to see throughout the history of the struggle, professor ogletree, the defiance, campaign, working with colored south africans, indians to get a unified response and then the evolution
from non-violence from civil disobedience to an armed struggle when they found they basically couldn't get any headway using civil disobedience. >> right, and i think the thing that's missing in a lot of this presentation, anderson, is that a lot of south africans died because of the resistant of the apartheid system to integration and liberation of africans in south africa. i think when we think about folks that lost their lives, it's a shameless act of the powers in south africa. one -- there were only 10% of the population but controlled 90% of the population. i think that it's important we talk about this fact, they were fighting a battle trying to end apartheid, trying to make sure everybody could be treated and nelson mandela was a symbol. he said i want everybody to come to the table, everybody to be a part of the new south of ka and everybody to vote. that's why he was elected not as
the first african elected but the first democratically elected president of south africa. that's important. democracy and justice ask truth made a big difference. >> robin, i keep coming back to this and mentioned a couple times, i'm fascinated how he began to see himself and it was critical for him to see -- start to see himself as an african first, not just as a member of his ethnic group in the area that he was born as a hossa but as an african and in that way was able to overcome efforts by the white regime because they wanted groups to be divided. they wanted didn't ethnic groups, zulus against hossas to divide and conquer and rule them. >> absolutely. he grew up as a proud timbu, so there was a subgroup he identified with but when he came
to johannesburg to work and train as a lawyer, he identified more with the politics of the african national congress. what is key with this is that nelson mandela was not only prague mat tick politician but tactic and will very much understood the power of symbols. so for him, it was quite useful to be scene as an african, as a man who was symbolic of everybody. he couldn't be seen as somebody who was just representing the causes or the timbers and he couldn't after just of course, when he was released from prison, he couldn't be seen and he understood that just representing black people. he had to be this man, this symbol, this identifier of everybody and played that and he was very strategic and it comes down to also appearances. i mean, look how he used the issue of triable in 1964 and dressed in the african dress in
a white man's court. i'm a black man in a white man's court, i won't get justice but flipped it around, as well. >> a politician as well as other things. professor ogletree, appreciate having you on again. images nelson mandela. news about jobs and 14 on death row took a jury 35 minutes to acquit him once they found out what prosecutors had done to convict him. we'll tell you ahead. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern.
welcome back, in "crime and punishment" a story that boggles the mind. we hear about people that go to prison and end up on death row but what about the prosecutors put them behind bars with sloppy work or worse? prosecutors in this country are above prosecution, even when they knowingly with hold evidence just to get a conviction. this hasn't happened just once, it's still happening in case after case. randi kaye investigates. >> reporter: in may 1999 john thompson was just weeks away from his execution at the
louisiana state penitentiary. this is his signed death warrant. so you may be wondering, what is he doing talking to me at his office in new orleans? did you think you would die on death row? >> i knew i was going to die. i didn't have anything else to say. even executed, i didn't see no one leaving off death row for sure. >> reporter: how john thompson survived is complicated to see the least. it would be more than a decade before he learned the district attorney's office in new orleans with held evidence from his defense team that would have kept him from going to prison all together. his story begins in january 1985 when thompson was charged with the murder of a white hotel executive. back then, thompson was just 22 with two children. after thompson's picture made front page news, three white teenagers came forward accusing him of carjacking them weeks before. so prosecutors charged him with robbery and got a conviction. a month later, they used that
carjacking conviction to prove he had a violent history and convinced a jury to sentence him to death in the murder case. now keep in mind, there was no forensic evidence linking thompson to either crime, no fingerprints on the gun, none of his blood at the scene. and thompson didn't even match the description of the killer witnesses described. >> the murder happened december the 6th, 1984. this arrest happened six days after the murder had happened. so they are looking for a man 6 feet tall medium bald with a bald head. >> a bald head. >> bald head. >> reporter: you have a full head of hair. >> i have a full head of hair. >> reporter: john thompson landed on louisiana's death row. he calls what prosecutors did to him, attempted murder. you're saying prosecutors tried to kill you? >> the evidence is there. >> reporter: the evidence he's referring to saved his life. it was found just after thompson's eighth execution day was set.
an investigator working for thompson's defense lawyer discovered critical evidence was hidden from the defense, documents showing the state analyzed blood found on the carjacking victim's. the blood type is b, thompson's is o. a junior assistant da hidden those blood test results and took the pants from the evidence room. on his death bed he revealed that to a prosecutor. that was five years before thompson's team discovered it and still, nobody said a word. nick is his defense lawyer. how key was that? >> we knew it would save his life. >> reporter: after that explosive discovery, the armed robbery conviction was thrown out. then in 1999, thompson was taken off death row. a few years later, his murder conviction was thrown out.
at the retrial for the murder, thompson's lawyers proved prosecutors with held live-saving evidence which federal law requires they share. after john thompson spent 18 years in jail, 14 of them on death row, it took the jury just 35 minutes to acquit. he keeps this photo of one of the prosecutors who sent him to death row. that's john williams posing. that's a minute tour sized electric care decorated with the faces of six african american men williams helped send to death row including john thompson, five, that's right, five of these men had their convictions overturned. we tried to contact jim williams at his office and by phone but did not hear back. in 2005 john thompson sued his prosecutors and the orleans parish district attorneys office saying the office hadn't properly trained prosecutors to hand over the evidence.
the jury agreed and awarded johnson $14 million, $1 million for every year on death row but in 2011, the u.s. supreme court reversed that decision saying thompson hadn't proven a pattern of misconduct. the supreme court's decision stunned richard burke who said despite the promises to clean things up, his office in new orleans was with holding evidence, more than two decades after edwards was sent to death row and burkes say it's part of a pattern. burke represents michael anderson sentenced to die after the 2006 murder of five men in an suv. in january 2010, long after anderson went to prison, burke received this videotape from prosecutors. he believes they purposely kept it from the defense for years knowing it would have proven anderson was innocent.
on it, the state's key witness contradicts her story, even gets the time of the murders wrong saying it was daylight. the shooting occurred at 4:00 a.m. >> what's clear is she wasn't telling the truth. she didn't say this happened. the prosecution had evidence of that and didn't hand it over. >> reporter: we asked the district attorney to tell us why but he wouldn't comment. anderson was removed from death row but serving life in prison for federal drug charges. between 19 90 and 2012 there were 14 people exonerated in new orleans, the highest per capita of any city in the country. statewide the number jumps to 35. when there is that clearer ror rate from the cases other people have discovered, i think it's absolutely, absolutely income bent on the prosecutors office in new orleans, louisiana to go back and review older cases to make sure that the right person is in prison for those crimes.
john thompson couldn't agree more. did anyone apologize to you for this? >> for what? i don't need an apology. apology won't shine my shoes, put food on my table. you don't need apology, you need to correct the system. that's what you could do for me. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, new orleans. >> let's dig deeper with cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and mark geragos. mark, while watching this sunny said look, this doesn't happen very often, this doesn't happen very often. what do you think? >> it happens way too often. sunny, as you know likes to put a happy face on prosecutor -- >> and all prosecutors are evil, according to you, right, mark? >> i'll tell you how this solve this problem and solve it overnight. you strip prosecutors of their immunity. if i screw up a case, i get sued for malpractice. if a cop goes and commits a
negligent act or if a cop uses excessive force you can sue him. why is it the prosecutors get a free pass? i'll tell you something, as soon as you strip prosecutors of immunity in cases like this, they will stop playing hide the ball. they will understand something, which is if you can be held civilly like, if they have to pay out of their pocket, they won't play hide the ball anymore. >> sunny, what about that? why shouldn't prosecutors be like police officers -- >> bottom line there is liability for prosecutors. they can be disbarred -- >> that's not liability. >> that's not civil. >> we're talking about money judgments. prosecutors don't really have money anyway, they don't make a lot of money. >> sunny -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> one at a time, one at a time. [ overlapping speakers ] >> let snien finish. >> don't mislead the public. >> cops don't have money. prosecutors get paid -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> one at a time.
guys, one at a time because no one will pay attention. >> this intentional misconduct by prosecutors hiding the ball, hiding the evidence for defendants is really rare. >> but you say it's really rare, it's rare that it's caught but isn't -- how many defendants on death row were able to hire the innocence project and get people to review cases? >> again, i believe the intentional hiding, intentional misconduct is rare. now, prosecutors have really heavy case loads. a lot of prosecutors offices unfortunately are under staffed and when you have 100 cases in front of you and cops that may not be doing the right thing giving you evidence is a hard job to do well. >> mark -- >> yeah, yeah -- >> the central park five in new york city where the confessions were bogus and they were all sent to jail and convicted and now the police officer who got those confessions of the accused, the prosecutors are going off sometimes what some detectives, what evidence they have gathered.
so if there is a problem on the police side, then it filters down to the prosecution. >> of course it does. but, you know, the nonsense that sunny was just spewing, this idea that prosecutors don't make that much money, they make more than cops do. when you sue a cop, what ends up happening, the municipality picks up the tab and one of the reasons a lot of law enforcement officers and departments end up correcting their mistakes is because lawyers get out there and sue them, and the municipality says we're sick of paying these judgments, we're going to correct what happens. that's no different if you do what the city of new orleans does it if you sue them, get judgments, they clean up the act and -- >> spoken like a true defense attorney -- >> sunny -- >> i'll give you one other thing, this idea, what always happens is when a prosecutor gets caught, what do they do? they blame the cops.
they throw the cops under the bus. >> you don't have the answer, mark. that's not the answer. >> sunny, so why -- >> strip them of immunity. >> why should prosecutors be able to go after them if municipality will pick that up -- >> i don't think -- >> what would change? >> i think the answer is monitoring, disbarment. >> never do it. >> criminally prosecute a prosecutor who has hidden evidence, tamper with evidence. that's the way to go. if you cripple an office, if you cripple prosecutors by threatening them with civility for doing their job every single day making these tough decisions -- >> but that's saying the police department would be crippled because of civil liability. >> exactly. sunny, name how many prosecutors have been criminally prosecuted? i can name you one in the last ten years. one. so it's not going to happen. no prosecutor --
>> perhaps because it's rare -- >> okay, well -- >> you strip them of immunities and their budgets start to feel it in the end there, and city counselings or supervisors hit them over the head. >> a good debate. let us know what you think on twitter. should prosecutors be stripped and be able to be -- we're just actually getting some breaking news in now. merrill newman, the 85-year-old american korean war vet who had been arrested in north korea, i'm told he's now -- he's been deported by north korea. so he's leaving -- if he hasn't left already, he's going to be leaving north korea, a major development and terrific news for his family. he had been forced to confess, read a confess written by the north koreans. we'll have more on that when we come back. ♪
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paula is joining us by the phone. what are you hearing there? >> anderson, we're hearing merrill newman has been deported. the state run news media saying newman had tried to confirm the whereabouts and terrorists have been trained while he was in north korea. this is why they had arrested him in the first place. they say he was part of a special operations team during the korean war which is working against north korea. his family always said it was a case of mistaken identity. they said because he admitted to this crime, we saw that last weekend, he was reading out a sheet of paper admitting to this crime, we don't know if that was co-horsed or not and because of his advanced age and health condition they deported him from a humanitarian view point. we're trying to decide if this is the case, if he's in beijing
or back to the united states. we're trying to confirm this. >> we don't know about his whereabouts or the condition he's in. we're showing you the video and still shots from the alleged confession he read on north korean state television, he bowed at the end of it, clearly something written by the north koreans or printed by the north koreans, paula, appreciate the reporting. we'll continue to follow this. that does it for this edition of 360.