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>> reporter: we'll see what holds and if anything sticks. >> thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts right now. rchs this is breaking news on a deal to head off another government shutdown. details could be an issue as could getting it through congress. we'll have more on that shortly. first, we have a story that's good news with new strings attached whatsoever. two adults and four children rescued after two days stranded in the bitter cold of northwest nevada. that upside down in a ravine is their jeep, which skidded off the road on sunday and what for all intensive purposes 21 below, how they made it and in a moment one of the rescuers, he and his partner were the first to reach the scene. before we do that, the latest
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from stephanie. we know the family was rescued earlier today. what is their condition now? >> reporter: what we are hearing, is that the family is resting comfortably. there is no frostbite. the adults did a good job on keeping the children warm. we heard they started a fire outside of the car and warming rocks and bringing them into the car. them resting well here in this hospital. >> this was a huge rescue effort with several hundred volunteers involved, not to mention people in the air, as well. how exactly in the end were they found? >> reporter: it's pretty amazing how they were canvassing looking for this car. what actually at the end helped them out is they were able to look at cell phone forensics. some specialists were able to ping where they last got a signal from the phone and changed their search from air and land about the same time. they said they were able to spot the car and rescue this family after two days in this bitter, bitter cold out here in
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northwestern nevada. >> that is astounding. thank you so much. stephanie is at the site where we expect a news conference from doctors at the hospital. we'll go back to that the second it happens. in the meantime, next to a rescuer, chris montes who joins us by phone. chris, you were one of the first people to get to them. what kind of condition were they in when you first saw them? >> they were all in perfect condition. >> perfect condition. that must have been such a relief after this search that involved so many people for so long. tell me about the kids ages 10, 4, 4 and 3. it must have been such an ordeal for them to go through this. >> they didn't seem too bothered. they were in good spirits. they just figured they were camping. >> and what did they all say when they first saw you?
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>> they just -- the littlest girl started telling me about a cartoon she was watching the other day and the boys were just and asked me if i knew their mom and dad. >> obviously deeply concerned about the ordeal they have been going through for awhile now. you do know this family, correct? >> yeah. >> and did they know how to behave out in the outdoors in the wilderness like this? obviously it seems like they did almost everything right out there. >> yeah, obviously, they knew what to do. they kept those kids safe for 48 hours in subzero temperatures. >> when you reached them, were they hungry at all? i understand there was a candy bar you had or your team had that was passed around to everyone there. >> i gave the kids a granola bar. they had food yesterday. they ran out today. >> when you were searching over
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the last day, how did you keep hope that you would find them? >> we've been talking about this since yesterday, 21 degrees below zero out there. it seemed to so many people the chances for survival were so small. how did you maintain hope? >> just really tight knit community and everybody was involved and nobody was going to give up until they were found, period. >> and that site, how far away were you when you first caught site of that vehicle which was over turned? we're looking at a picture now. it's just completely turned over. >> we were probably about 500 yards from it. >> and it looks -- i mean, honestly, it looks like the type of thing there is no guarantee people would survive a flip like that. how soon after you first saw it did you know all six of them were alive and okay? >> not until i was probably 20
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yards from them and i could actually see them all and count six of them moving around. >> that must have been an incredible relief when you first had that vision. >> yeah, because i wasn't expecting the best. >> in your community now, you say it is such a tight knit community and there were so many people involved with this search, you know, what now? a giant party indoors, perhaps? >> yeah. [ laughter ] definitely indoors. >> all right. chris montes, thank you so much for being with us. congratulations. we're so happy for you and everyone involved here, this ended the way it did. i appreciate it. >> thank you. again, we're waiting to hear any minute now from the hospital where this family is recovering and by all indications, recovering well. surviving subzero temperatures in a wrecked car with young children and no indication how long you'll be stranded, this is a situation no one expects to find themselves in.
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here to talk about what this family did and how anyone can learn how to do, green beret and special operations veteran and survival expert joseph, co-star of discovery channel's dual survival. it was 21 below zero sunday night into monday morning. that seemed like no margin for error. >> you're apparently right. one of the things for a winter survival situation, mother nature will not allow you to make too many mistakes at all. >> it seems like they did a lot of things right, heating rocks, bringing them into the car. was that a live-saving move. >> absolutely. i got to tell you, this guy made all the right decisions. and what is really crazy, is we did an episode last year on dual survival almost exactly what these people went through, and i can tell you, it's not the one big decision that he made for his family, it's all those
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little decisions that lead up to that big decision. staying with the vehicle, letting people know where you went, staying warm, making a fire, you know, he made all the right decisions and even more so, he didn't panic. because if you would have panicked, i can almost guarantee you he would have done what the people in the scenario that i was involved in did, he left his vehicle. that's not what you want to do in a situation and he didn't. >> don't go looking for help seems to be advice you have. look, you were in the special forces. one thing you do not have to work with in special forces, three and four-year-old kids. there were four kids here. ten years old and younger. how difficult do you think that must have been to deal with? >> boy, i got to tell you, solute to this guy. i'm quite sure his kids were more than a little alarmed for their ages. i think they were between the ages of three and ten, from what i read. but what i do understand about his family is this wasn't their
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first time out in the snow, which definitely helped and increased their chances of survival without a doubt. >> no, this family clearly knew what they were doing. we're so glad they were okay. thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> yes, sir, thanks, man. the conditions that sent that jeep sliding are part of a storm system still tormenting a huge swath of this country. before chad myers, we'll show you a pile up from wisconsin. this happened on sunday. a traffic camera caught it. awful picture to see. the cars skidding off the road, others slamming into one another. dozens of cars and trucks involved and by the time it was over, one person was faitally injured. the storm is dumping more ice, more snow causing more havoc from new england. chad myers, as always is on top of it all. chad, a lot of the places around the u.s. dangerously cold right
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now. >> yes. >> but what's the latest. >> you know, even if you get down to 10, 15 degrees and look at those pictures of that wisconsin crash, that was a bridge. i can't believe people didn't fly off that bridge. that's the problem is that when you get that cold, even salted roads will refreeze. the arctic air mass, right down where that family was here in nevada, all the way down to texas and arkansas and up towards the northeast, remember this map i'll get back to it in a minute. minneapolis 14 below. many aren't ready for this. this doesn't feel like we should be this time of year just yet. we shouldn't be this cold. you're not ready, your car isn't ready. maybe the anti frieze isn't ready. take those things into consideration tonight. windchill factors colder than that. the animals feel this windchill. your face feels it. your car windows, house, don't feel the number but tell you what, if you're outside or your pets are, please take care of yourself and the pets tonight because they can't take care of themselves. make sure they have some type of
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shelter. windchills from international falls to the south. keep half a tank of gas in your car. even though this car was upside down, they didn't get to use it. if you're stuck in the snow, you can use that fuel, that gasoline to keep yourself and the car running and keep yourself warm and make sure the snow doesn't get near the exhaust pipe. here is the next storm system. you don't want to see this. but this is saturday, another icy mix, a snowy mix and rain down to the south and that's the big cities again, saturday into sunday another storm coming, john. >> i think the scientific term for the storm that hit us today was eh. look forward to hearing that in the coming days. >> sure. you can see more at the top of the hour on "piers morgan live." the deal that could present another government shut down mess and also, president obama's deeply person tribute to nelson mandela. and later, his handshake at the
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budget deal hammered out by gop congressman paul ryan and patty murray. it touches on all of the above. dana bash joins us now with what is in it and how it came about and i suppose the big question is whether it stands a snowball's chance of actually becoming law. dana, tell us what is in this deal. >> it is modest but a start, as you said. any time we take about champ mi -- compromise in washington is a breathe of fresh air. not used to using the c word, compromise, often. it's two years and sets the budget levels and it takes away some of those arbitrary or forced spending cuts and replaces them with different cuts. that is something that pleases some conservatives, for example, those who don't want arbitrary defense cuts and some liberals what don't want arbitrary cuts to social spending programs but then on the flip side, it makes
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some conservatives who want deficit reduction and want those force cut caps in place unhappy and some liberals also happy because they don't like the fact, as you eluded to, john, that unemployment benefits are not extended as part of the package. >> so there has not been a unanimous standing for this. the white house said it's supportive of the deal but marco rubio said he's against it and adam shift is not so sure, so i heard democrats and republicans, both mirky at best on it. is it a sure thing it gets through? >> is it a sure thing? nothing is a sure thing. the best way to answer the question is to look at what happens tomorrow morning in a meeting of house republicans, will get together and go over this and see how much resistant there really is first and foremost among house republicans. paul ryan is confident it will pass and as a consecorvative he
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feels comfortable. we're seeing grass roots after grass rooting coming out and bombarding members who they have spite over, saying this is not the way to go. you should not support it and seeing to a lesser extend on the democratic side. >> of course -- >> that's what compromise is. >> well, don't get too used to compromise because if this does go through, the debt ceiling discussion. >> exactly. >> passing a hike on that still by no means guarantee that would be in february, dana barb, thshk you so much. president obama heading home from south africa tonight. memorial services today for nelson mandela bringing heavy rain. the tears of heaven, one woman said. south africans of all colors and dig tarries spanning the globe paying tribute. president obama made it personal. >> over 30 years ago, while still a student, i learned of
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nelson mandela, and the struggles taking place in this beautiful land, and it stirred something in me. it woke me up to mike responsibility to others and to myself and it set me on a journey that finds me here today. and while i will always fall short of madiba's example, he makes me want to be a better man. he speaks to what is best inside us. >> there is no firm word yet on how many people around the globe watched the ceremonies. when a freem mandela concert wa cast, millions watched. how many watched for now is impossible to say. this is it, president obama and cuba's president raul castro and
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that, folks, was a handshake. also, i saw a smile in there, as well. the white house is calling it unplanned and uncomplicated, others reading much more into the gesture. the cubans, there was a sign of hope. there was hope but some cuban americans, though, it's a sign of surrenderer. a prominent cuban woman let secretary kerry know it. >> mr. secretary, sometimes a handshake is just a handshake, but what the leader of the free world shakes the bloody hand of a ruthless dictator like raul castro it's a propaganda coup for the tyrant. raul castro uses that hand to sign the orders to repress and jail democracy advocates. in fact, right now as we spoke cuban opposition leaders are being detained and beaten while trying co-common rate today
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which is international human rights day. they will feel disheartened when they see these photos. >> john mccain went further, to 1938. >> why should you shake hands with somebody keeping americans in prison? i mean, what is the point? neville chamber land shook hands with hitler. >> he gave away a chuck of czechoslovakia and winston shook hands and ronald reagan embrace mckylen. presidents always take heat for kissing sheiks and bowing to em pewers, this always does seem to be an issue. let's talk to the political
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analyst david gur gin. anna, you're from florida. you're no fan, i know, of the castro regime, but what do you make of senator mccain's comments comparing this to a hitler moment and congresswoman ross latlin? >> i don't think john mccain was comparing it to a hitler moment. his question is what is the point? you can shake hands with dictators and tyrants, but that doesn't mean they are going to change their ways. people need to understand, john, that for this community, this cuts very, very deep. there is a number of political prisoners, cuban political prisoners who served longer than mandela, 30 years, 29 years, 28 years. today is international human rights day. and as she said, there are people getting harassed, getting jailed, getting attacked in cuba today. so people need to understand this is something that the cuban
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community feels deeply. this is a community that's felt this pain, now, for 55 years. this dual of brothers are going to have had an iron grip tie ronnie on cuba for 55 years come january 1st. do i think a handshake is going to be heard all over the world? is it going to lead to policy changes? is it going to lead to changes within cuba? i don't think so. but -- and i think we should focus on the big picture and the big price. what is happening in cuba today. >> you know, i don't think anyone questions the depth of the feelings in florida and of many cuban americans. it should be noted while president obama did shake raul castro's hand in his speech seemed to include words that are critical of the cuban president. he criticized people that stood on this stage to honor nelson mandela and repress people back home and i think that message got out, too.
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>> i think it's an important message and part of honoring mandela is remembering what he stood for in the latter part of his life, freedom, justice, those are the things that we have to aspire to today and if we honor mandela, we have to aspire to them being everywhere in the world including places like cuba. >> david, it seems to be this was inevitable that sooner or later, they were going to shake hands on that stage. sooner or later there would be people upset about it, and it was going to create a controversy. how does the white house deal with this? there anyway to avoid it? >> well, the president might have decided as jimmy carter did that he would no go to a funeral in that case because he didn't want to shake hands after the russians invite the afghanistan. a couple things, it was not rehearsed but i'm sure it was intentional. white house scripts these things out. the white house knows there is a
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good chance the president will shake hands with raul castro. there is no question, the castro regime engages in practices that will have to stop if it has any hope of restoring relation shops with the united states. but it's also fair with due respect to my good friend, anna, to point out that for every cuban american who felt grief, there were cuban americans who feel the isolation of cuba has not worked and they would like to see an easing of tensions and approach. the counsel of foreign relations that released a port this year pointed out the majority of cuban americans, cuban americans believe the sanctions regime embargo hasn't worked and would like to see them. >> anna, do you want to respond to that? >> david has a good point. there is some change going on within the community, however, the cuban americans in congress, including the guy who chairs the foreign relations committee in the u.s. senate are against
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lifting sanctions unless there are democratic elections. so i would tell you, i know bob menendez well, if conditions do not change in cuba. if political prisoners are not released and democratic elections are not scheduled, you would have to go through the cold, dead body of bob menendez to get policy change, and that's the reality. >> that's not true. hold on just a second, if you don't mind. listen, she's right about legislation. this congress is not going to lift the embargo. that's right. there are steps the obama administration has taken to ease travel restrictions and they can take steps, and i think they signalled their plan to take steps before he leaves office. john kerry and barack obama gave speeches signaling they will move toward the relations. is that a good idea or bad? we will debate that but that's the direction they are moving. >> i think david is right there are modest steps administration can take. the embargo used to be an
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executive order but qualified into law under helm's burten and lifting the actual embargo requires an act of congress and i think that is going to be a very difficult road for any administration while cuba continues doing the things it's doing. >> i think any handshake that elicits this discussion is clear it's more than just a handshake. thank you so much for being with me and talking about this. appreciate it. we are waiting to hear from the doctors treating the family rescued in nevada. that's the hospital we're looking at now. we'll go back to the news conference as it begins and we'll speak to a key figure in the rescue. next, new details about the terror attack inside a shopping mall in kenya. why officials say there may have been only four gunmen and how they may have escaped alive. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one.
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today a drastically different picture of the deadly kenya mall shooting that came to light by the new york police department. how different a picture you ask? in 360 terms, about a 180. according to the report, just four gunmen, four, not 15 may have pulled off the attack that left 67 people dead. the surveillance video shows some of the suspected gunmen hold up in a storage room in the west gate mall. the report says some attackers may have gotten away, possibly all of them.
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there is also new tablet wising information about the female terrorist known as the white widow. the nypd sent two to analyze the assault. it questions much of what kenya officials said including claims that hostages were held. sus susan candiotti joins me with more. this is hugely different than the one from the last few months. why so many discrepancies here? >> a lot of it has to do with the passage of time. they had time to analyze this videotape, among other things, human intelligence but questions out there. all these new questions and findings are coming and being raised by the nypd and u.s. federal law enforcement and officials and it's hard to forget the mall surveillance video that shows terrorist almost casually firing weapons and talking on cell phones while kul cutting down, shooting down innocent victims. evidence appears to show the attack was pulled off by four to
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six terrorists using ak-47s and rocket propelled grenades, not the 15 to 20 originally thought to be involved and it's entirely possible some escaped. >> we don't know. that was mentioned in the presentation. we're not certain if people got away. we're not certain of the total number of people killed, because it was shown in the presentation, rpgs were used, rocket propelled grenades and we believe that people certainly were injured and perhaps killed as a result of the floor collapsing. >> the kenyans suggest they have dna evidence that four attackers are dead, but my sources tell me that evidence may not be complete. one source wondering whether mangled guns were retrieved and why didn't they show those and during and after the attack, the mall perimeter had giant holes
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in it and it's entirely possible suspects could slip through the cracks. >> such a different picture. what about the so-called, white widow, the british woman suspected of being involved. >> she's samantha luthwade. she had been living in kenya and at first kenyans suggested she was at the mall and on video. the nypd and fbi sources say she did not actively participate at the mall itself or any women took part but the jury is out whether she helped plan the attack and she's completely disappeared so there is a red notice out for her capture, john. >> susan candiotti thank you so much. a vastly different picture than what we've been told so long. coming up, the woman accused of murdering her husband by pushing a cliff just eight days into their marriage, at the trial today, testimony about the alleged lie she told police and her friends and the fake e-mail
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account that investigators say was createed to support these lies. also ahead, the latest on the breaking news, a family of six rescued after being stranded for two days in the frigid mountains of nevada. i'll speak with someone how they were finally found. it's fascinating. that when 360 continues. so you can see like right here i can just... you know, check my policy here, add a car, ah speak to customer service, check on a know,
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in "crime and punishment "tonight, two day of a woman accused of murdering her husband eight days after they got married. jordan gram pushed her husband while at glaciers national park and he fell off a clich. that much is known. the defense says she pushed him in self-defense and his death was an accident. the prosecution says it was murder. one problem for the defense is that initially, gram lied about what happened and went to pretty dramatic lengths to cover her tracks, and those lies took center stage at the trial today. kung law reports. >> reporter: jordan gram walked into what would be a damaging second day for her defense in her murder trial. prosecutors played video of
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police interviews where the jury saw and heard gram lying to police. in the first video, gram was, matter of fact and unemotional as she tells police a story, that her husband cody johnson took off from home in a dark car with washington plates. johnson had been missing for two days, police were searching for him. the reality is gram knew her new husband of just eight days was already dead at the bottom of the cheer cliff at glacier national park because she watched him fall. zimmerman says on video to gram, i'm getting the feeling you're not being 100% honest with me. the very next day police videotaped gram web. she went to police because she received an e-mail dated july 10th, three days after her husband's death. the e-mail came from a mysterious friend named tony. it reads hello jordan, my name is tony, there is no bother looking for tony anymore, he is gone. the claim is he died during the
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car trip. the officer says seems kind of sketchy because it was. the e-mail traces back to a computer at gram's father's home. a fake e-mail created to support the story to police and she lied to friends like jennifer torrin was who clearly shaken after testifying. what was it like to be in that courtroom? >> nerve wracking. >> reporter: gram lied to her own 16-year-old brother. he testify that gram brought him to the cliff to discover johnson's body. the teenage boy sobbed saying she told one lie, was asked to tell the truth. she said it again. she had to keep adding more lies to cover it up. gram even lied to her best friend and maid of honor. she claimed her new husband would grab her and had a terrible temper. that was hard to hear for johnson's friend whose call it another lie. >> a great friend of mine, a
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really good guy, just a tragic situation we're in right now. i want closure. >> reporter: the night of johnson's death, he texts hard ten nez. good, i'm freaking out, i'm about to go for a walk or something, jump off a friken bridge. but gram texted happy bubbly about dancindancing. you better work those moves. her friend says yeah, i know, i'm a pretty good dancer. i'm the best dancer i know. gram texts, whoa, whoa, slow down, homey. they say she's a naive, sheltered woman, 21 at the time of her husband's death. the fall says the defense is a terrible accident. they were fighting, he grabbed her, she pushed him away and he fell. why the lies? gram was an awkward young woman who married the popular guy in town and feared no one would
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believe her. >> joining me live from month -- montana, they were playing these tapes, her brother breaks down crying, what is she doing through all this? >> let's start with watching herself on videotape lying to police throughout the trial. she's been very difficult to read, like a statute. the same when she was watching herself on those tapes but it did change when her brother started sobbing. he was sobbing into the motorcycle phone. it was heart breaking. many of the people in courtroom were moved including jordan gram. it does appear at least she did wipe a tear away. that's the most emotion we saw. >> what a day and more to come. let's dig deeper. joining me live, mark geragos, cnn legal analyst and prosecutor sunny hostin and more.
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mark, videos showing gram lying to police, bogus e-mails, her brother sobbing on the stand. this seems to be tough for the defense. >> well, it's -- look, it's not easy when you're charged with murder in any case. so there is always a reason why they charge you with murder, and in this case because they didn't have much physical evidence that proved it, but they did have all of these changing stories. so the defense, i think, did a pretty good job about fronting all of that with the jury. she's got applauseble explanation for why she was saying this, and ultimately, i think i'm going to make a wild guess here that she may take the stand in this case. >> taking the stand, you know, always drastic measure, and they have applauseble defense that you were nervous and would be misunderstand and they wouldn't think it was an accident. sunny, you think this is more of a slam dunk in this case,
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however, no one saw it happen. there is no video camera footage of her pushing him off the mountain. is that tough for the prosecution? >> it isn't. i never like to say a case is a slam dunk and i know car ra goes is going to come back and say i'm crazy. this is a case who says who does that? who behaves this way? when juries look at the behavior she exhibited. she pushes her husband off a cliff with both hands she says and just leaves him there. he could have been suffering, anything, leaves him there, drives home and starts lying and making these things up and leads her friends to his body but yet, still, lies about what happened. the argument that it's an accident is just so unbelievable, so incomprehensible, i can't imagine a jury is going to let her get away with it, and if she takes the witness stand, mark gerag geragos, you have to admit the jury watched her lie not once,
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twice, but several tiles to friends, police officers, how does she get on the witness stand and be credible? they will never believe her. >> when you say you can't believe the jury is going to let her get away with it, doesn't that assume that he did commit the crime? >> she admitted it. >> she admitted that he grabbed her and she pushed him back and he fell. you know, if this was such a slam dunk, i'd ask you why do they need 39 witnesses and forensics? >> let's bring in the scientists here for a second. lawrence, we know juries love the science, the facts, they want to grasp on to something here. where is the science in this case? again, there is no footage there. can a coroner prove whether the push was intentional? it was murder or was an accident? >> these types of cases are very complicated for medical examiner to diagnose. however, i think the case will turn on whether the prosecution can demonstrate that cody johnson went over the cliff
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face-first. if you look at the body, the body was found at the bottom of the cliff face down, and basically, the experimentation by taking a mannequin of equal dimension, size and weight to cody johnson and tossing it over the cliff and see how it lands will be suggestive physical evidence. >> that's what it will take, pushing a mannequin off the cliff? >> i think experimentation is the way we do things in forensics and that probably will have to be done. >> thank you-all have much for being with us. really appreciate it. more on the breaking news, we heard from the doctor treating the rescued family from nevada. you'll hear from him next. americans take care of business. they always have. they always will. that's why you take charge of your future.
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oh... get a fusion with 0% financing for 60 months, plus $500 ford credit holiday bonus cash during the ford dream big sales event. a quick update on the nevada family rescued after two days in subzero conditions, two adults, four young kids, just moments ago the doctors spoke to responders. >> the father and mother and four children are doing well. remarkably well considering how cold it's been and the fact they have been out in the elements for these past two nights. i think if you -- as you guys have already been briefed earlier, that they did a lot of things right by staying with the vehicle and they did have food and water available with them, and as soon as they -- the vehicle suffered this slow rollover accident, the father jumped into action, knew they had to stay warm and the first thing he did was built a fire and able to keep it going the entire time while they were out, and i think that really
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prevented any serious medical problems for them to develop. they do have some exposure and understandably dee hydration issues. it's very hard to stay very well hydrated in the elements. the air is very dry, even when cold it's very dry. in general, they are doing very, very well. no evidence of frostbite which is what we expected. we were obviously braced for much worse considering the cold temperatures we've had, but they are doing very well. >> terrific news. also in their favor, he says they were already dressed for a day outdoors in the snow, so they had that going for them. another key figure, major justin ogden done of the civil air patrol and lead cell phone forensic expert for the rescue coordination center and major ogden you got a key clue from the cell phone of christina
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mcintee. >> we got a key clue, that once we found that out we knew the vehicle had to have been stopped by that time and wherever they were at 2:00 a.m. monday morning had to correspond to where they were, probably where they are at now. and that shifted the search area quite a bit for us when that clue came in. >> you said it shifted the search area we're used to watching 24. it didn't give you an exact pinpoint location, did it? >> that's correct. we don't get a dot on a map. we get a big area, draw a big shape on the map and say this whole area might contain them and we have to search the whole thing. >> and ruling out areas that was probably the most effective and efficient for you. >> that's right. it gets played with eyewitness reports and what they told the family where they were going and just another piece to the puzzle, and this clue helped move the search area from where it was initially going on to about 20 miles further to the
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east. >> how comprehensive was this effort? we know there were hundreds on people on the ground searching and air resources also deployed. how big was the search? >> this searches massive. i mean, there was a great presence there by a bunch of different agencies, you have state and local resources, federal resources like aircraft flying. there were navy helicopters in there, neighboring counties bringing in air assets to help out. teams on the field, coordination by the sheriff's office. coordination by the coordinator, it was an amazing effort. you got clues from the cell phone team. people all over the country working on this search. >> and be honest with us here, i know you guys hold out hope and were good at what you do, but were you surprised they were found? >> there were a lot of us surprised, we were. this search went on longer than we would have liked to have seen, and we have had -- we see
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too many on these end with a bad outcome, and we're so excited for a great outcome. >> i think everyone is excited. major ogden, thank you so much and great work. >> thank you. up next, remembering nelson man de mandela, with photos representing his legacy, his extraordinary life and today's extraordinary tribute. [ male announcer ] for every late night, every weekend worked, every idea sold... ♪ you deserve a cadillac, the fastest growing full-line luxury brand in the united states. including the all new 2014 cadillac cts, motor trend's 2014 car of the year. now during our season's best event, get the best offers of the season on our award winning products, like the 2014 ats and srx.
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in south africa, and throughout the world it was a day for celebrating the life and legacy of nelson mandela. there is a song called, translation, what we had done. it was an anthem during the anti apartheid movement. we leave you this hour with that song from the cape town youth choir. ♪ ♪
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