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sometimes they get caught in less than flattering lights, sometimes in lights that aren't real. a picture may tell ahousand wo b suspects a picture used improperly, well, it tells lies. thanks for joining us. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" sorts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com :. stunning testimony fool the -- from the cockpit crew. why were warnings ignored as the jet descended too fast. plus, the cyanide interpreter being called a fraud and fake but south africa's death community. they are outraged over the peace of history they missed and are demanding answers. we begin with a sentence handed out in a texas court that stunned the families of four people killed by a drunk driver six months ago. it was father's day weekend. the young woman with car trouble was stranded on the side of the road late at night.
the mother and daughter had in inkling their decision to help out the motorist would prove fatal and neither did the youth pastor. but a teenager that was drunking heavily, plowed into the group of people with his truck. that's the teen there. his lawyer didn't deny he was truck and he mowed them down. they didn't contest the facts the prosecutors presented. what they argued, instead, surprising. their defense, the 16-year-old was a victim, too, a victim of his family's wealth and gave it a name, affluenza. the judge agreed and the teen that faced up to 20 years got no prison time at all. here is randi kaye. >> reporter: he got drunk, then jumped behind the wheel of his pickup truck and plowed down four people in a drunken haze. so why isn't ethan couch behind bars? keep in mind, he's just 16, too young to legally drive with any alcohol in his system, and in this case, his blood alcohol
measured .24, three times the legal limit in texas. eric boil's wife and daughter were both killed. >> we had over 180 years of life taken, future life, not 180 years lived but 180 years of life taken and two on those were my wife and daughter. >> reporter: surveillance tape shows couch and friends stealing beer in june, then they got drunk at a forty. leaving there, couch gunned his pickup going nearly 70 miles per hour in a 40. justbo 400 yards down the street, he slammed into holly and shelby boil whose stopped to help breanna mitchell fix a flat tire. youth pastor brian jennings was driving by and also stopped to help. all of them were killed. ethan couch was charged with four counts of intoxication manslaughter, and tried as a juvenile. in one of the most bizarre
defense strategies we heard of, attorneys for couch blamed his parents for his behavior, all because of how they raised him. a psychologist said the boy suffered from something called affluenza. he sited one example where coach, then 15 was caught in a parked pickup with a naked 14-year-old girl passed out. couch was never punished and he testified that couch was allowed to start drinking at an early age, even drive when he was just 13. prosecutors fought for a 20-year sentence, but the defense argued couch needed treatment, not prison. the judge agreed, and gave couch ten years probation, plus time in alcohol rehab, no prison. she told the court she believes couch can be rehab bill tated if he's away from his family and given the right treatment.
he'll likely end up at this pricey rehab center in new port, beach, california. his father agreed to pay the half a million dollars or so. >> taking him away from his family and teaching him to be a responsible citizen, that's a consequence. >> reporter: a consequence for killing four people? not even close says this woman, whose daughter breanna mitchell died in the crash. >> he'll be feeling the hand of god, definitely. he may think he's gotten away with something, but he hasn't gotten away with anything. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn new york. >> as you heard, randy boil's wife and daughter were killed. several teenagers riding in couch's truck were injured in the truck, as well. the most critically hurt sergio was paralyzed and ready to talk. mr. boils, thank you for talking
to us at this unimaginable time for you. i'm so sorry for your loss. when you heard the sentence that was handed down that this young man received only probation for killing your wife holly and your daughter shelby and two other people, what went through your mind? >> i was unprepared for the sentence that was delivered. i knew we were talking. i knew we were in juvenile court. we had hoped to be treated as an adult. so we knew that there were some restrictions, and that we knew that even with a 20-year sentence, that he would be eligible for parole in a couple years. and frankly, you know, i was disappointed. i would have been disappointed even a couple years eligible for parole because when you consider -- when you consider the victims that night, you consider four lives taken with 180 years of future life, not present life, future life. >> do you have any doubt that if
this young man did not come from a rich family, if he came from a poor family, that the outcome would have been different? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. my request to the court, my request to ethan was that, you know, he came from a life of privilege. his -- it's interesting, one of his -- one of his psychologist used the term affluenza which has been basically given -- he had been provided anything and everything in life that you could ask for and even when presented with difficult circumstances, there had been previously in trouble, this level of affluenza, money will take care of it was addressed. i, as well as other victims, expressed that look, we understand he's a juvenile. we understand rehabilitation has
to occur, but let's face it, there needs to be justice here. >> let me tell you, as you know, the defense attorney said and i quote, there is nothing the judge could have done to lesson the suffering for any of those families. that's just not true. >> and here -- >> and here is why i disagree. for 25 weeks i've been going through a healing process, and so when the victim came out, i mean, my immediate reaction is i'm back to week one. okay? we have accomplished nothing here. this -- my healing process is out the window. >> does it seem to you that he is, in fact, getting ay with this? that he is getting away with murder? i mean, he's going to a $450,000 therapy facility, which sounds kind of like a spa. >> but it -- and that is -- coop, that's exactly the issue. but it's been that way all
along. every time, every time the family has faced some level of adversity to ethan, they have either removed him from that situation, or they have indeed, somehow money has taken care of it. when the teacher confronted him for driving at 13, his dad pulled him out of the school. so, you know, ethan from 13 to basically 15 is just sitting there. he's -- by his parents' own admission is alcohol. there is drugs. >> that's the incredible thing. he has prior experiences with alcohol and the law. this is not -- >> that is correct. >> this is not his first offense, so you have a multiple offender that killed four people who is not going to spend any time in jail, simply because, i mean, it seems to me his family has money and is able to convince a judge well, you know, he's -- he doesn't -- it's not his fault.
he's not responsible because the parents are responsible. so he doesn't have to take responsibility, oh, and by the way, they got so much money they are going to send him to a nice facility to get years of therapy. >> exactly -- exactly correct. so ethan's dad didn't see anything the matter with him. he made the indication, he's a great driver at 13. so he gets to 15. there are absolutely no consequences for what occurred that day. the primary message has to absolutely be that money and privilege can't buy justice in this country, that it's not okay to drink and drive and kill tour people, wound -- severely injure another and not have any consequences to that. that's not the -- that's not the american dream that we grew up to participate in, and i just don't understand it. >> neither do it. >> the term came up during this whole thing of affluenza and you
first have to listen, did i hear what? because i never heard that term before, but after it was used several times, i think it's either a perfect for webster's dictionary. you're just talking about an indication where money, power, influence, affluenza has taken place through this whole process. >> seems like nobody on that side is taking responsibility for it, not this young man, not his parents certainly and i know it's difficult, obviously, for you to talk about holly and shelby. what do you want people to know about them? because i don't want them to get lost in this, focussing on this criminal. what do you want people to know about your wife and your daughter? >> well i think it's worth mentioning that, you know, there were five real victims that
night. you still have mr. malina who still is in -- who is paralyzed and receives daily care. no longer in a hospital, basically, in his parents' home, his mother quit work. his father is -- excuse me, his grandmother quit work to take care of him around the clock. you have breanna mitchell who lost her life that night. she was the original car stranded there. but holly and shelby, along with brian jennings, who was a youth minister, you know, holly and shelby went out first. i went out with them. was probably out there 30, 40 minutes with them. >> to help this stranded motorist ed. >> that's correct, and helped, you know, breanna. it wasn't a simple matter as changing a flat tire. if that had been it, that would be a different circumstance. it was clear the car was going to have to be towed. her mother was on the way. police were probably going to need to be called. you know, holly and shelby, were
strong in their faith and their family and their friends, and they were givers. there are some people in life that are givers and takers, and they were truly givers. it was clear that night that they wanted to make sure that breanna who was 24, who was a little shook up. she was a little shook up about what had happened, and they were providing comfort to her, just like, you know, had two daughte daughters. just like you would hope that someone would do for my family, my daughters, as well, and ultimately, they gave up themselves. we're proud of them for being the good samaritans that they
were and ultimately they gave their life. >> mr. boyles, i am so outraged and sorry and i'm just -- i appreciate you spending some time with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> eric boyles whose wife and daughter were killed by a young drunk driver. a lot of issues to discuss, joining me drew pensky, mark car ra goes and sunny hostin. mark is a criminal defense attorney and sunny is a former prosecutor. drew, let me start off with you. have you heard of affluenza as a defense? >> no, it's disgusting. there is no such term. there is not an open diagnose not tick manuel, it's a cute, clever twist of a phrase the psychologist should be ashamed of for bringing in the courtroom and more shameful is the judge fallen for that nonsense.
come on now, that's ridiculous. by the way, just because we in mental health understand the environment as parenting in causation l in certain syndromes, as explanation it's not a justification. once a person gets to the point they are harming other people, justice must be what's applied, not some non-sense about sue toe science what caused it. >> dr. drew, tomorrow i interviewed the therapist who came up with this term, and i'm going to play something he said tonight. we'll interview him more extensively tomorrow, because i think it's only fair to let him express his opinions on this. what this is what he said earlier, just before air time when i spoke to dr. miller. this is what he said about it. >> the things that are most important to this kid are instantly taken away. he will not have, and i send these people to facilities if people can afford it, and i wish everyone could afford this. i think it's a very, very good
system that i know about. send them to places where they don't get women, these boys. they don't get xboxs. they don't have computers. they don't have the freedom to go where they want to go and have to work all week to watch a television program on the weekend. >> drew, what the doctor says is he wishes everybody could go to these facilities that needs treatment. >> absolutely. i don't disagree, anderson, with one word of that. you go to treatment before you kill people, not after. after you kill people, god help you it's up to the justice system at that point or at minimum, within the confine of say a prison and for extended periods of time like on the order of five to ten years, not one year. this is ridiculous. this is a travesty. >> sunny, what do you think of this as a former federal prosecutor, because there are plenty of people, teenagers with prior run ins with the law as this young man had. >> sure. >> who get sent to jail as adul adults.
>> they suffer from poor ends, when i grew up in the south bronx. i think there is something wrong with a system that works this way. the system failed in this instance. it flies in the face of everything that we believe in the justice system because there have to be consequences to actions and this young man -- >> but what the doctor is saying this young man is a victim of parents being irresponsible -- >> anderson, that's an explanation, not a justification. that's an explanation. >> i certainly agree that there is parental responsibility, and i've been a proponent of parents being held responsible for their children's actions. >> maybe -- >> if you let your kid drink in your home, you should be responsible if they do something. anderson, i believe this sentence is boarder line illegal, too lenient, unjust and i suspect the prosecutors will appeal the sentence. it's rarely done but i expected it will be done in this case. >> does this defense make sense
to you? is it legitimate? >> i hate to rain on everybody's parade here and i know i'll get angry e-mails and everything else. the prosecution has no basis to appeal this. >> that's not true, mark. >> let him finish. >> they have no -- start yelling, sunny. look, everybody is going to agree with you tonight, sunny, so you don't need to yell. i'm going to take a position that is not going to be popular, but i'm going to tell you -- >> we have you here. >> that's why i'm here. >> sunny i'll yell, it's okay -- >> right. and drew can yell in the other room -- >> explain your self, mark. >> drew, just wait for a second here and take a deep wreabreath. the judge used the affluenza similar to dan white 20 years ago, the twinky defense. that's not the defense. that's not the legal defense. there is no such thing as the twinky defense and affluenza.
what there is, a judge that took a look at this kid. this kid is too young. i wouldn't put him into a prison system where he wouldn't last 95 seconds -- >> he killed four people, mark. he killed four people. >> i understand that sunny, just keep yelling that. >> the fact, mark, you always -- >> i would finish the point but it would be a prosecutor gang bang. >> mark -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> how about extended course, five years, three year, why one year? >> mark, on this program you often argue that the criminal justice system is inherently racist, is inherently -- >> yeah. >> unyou can well, unjust, isn't this -- >> and i would love to -- >> in your favor on this one. >> yes, and i would love to finish my point if i don't have sunny screaming in my ear he killed four people. >> go ahead. >> i can show you, i was about
to get to, i can show you case after case after case where if this kid was not wealthy, if this kid was indig get and had some first year, god for bid, over worked public defender that just got into juvenile, this kid would have been deemed probably fit for adult court who would have been put into a prison and killed within a year. that's what most people want and that's what they would have gotten. i'm telling you, i understand this completely. i've defended cases like this. >> is it just. >> there is nothing just about the criminal justice system. if you're looking for justice, you don't go into the halls of justice. it doesn't happen there. you go in there because all we do in the criminal justice system is we just man -- we move people in and out. that's all we do. we warehouse people. >> well, he's not being warehoused. he's not being ware housed and should be. >> warehouse in a nice place in new port beach. >> that's wrong. >> it can be wrong --
>> unjust. >> unbelievable, a judge who actually looked at the case, a judge who was familiar with the case made a decision. if you're going to say the judge was corrupt, then have ammunition for that -- >> mark, doesn't this -- you know, there is so much commentary how there is a separate system of justice. >> there is. >> isn't this a prime example of this? >> yes. >> you not only get better lawyers and doctors, you have your own defense which is being rich -- >> made up. understand something, i agree with you anderson and you're right, i always argue this and say it. there are two levels of playing fields, so to speak, it's not a different defense. this is just something that's cute that the media catches on to just like the twinky defense. all this is is a way to characterize what the kid's problem is, that the kid has never had any consequences.
>> and still doesn't have any -- >> and still -- sunny, if you let me finish, i'll get there. >> you've been talking for awhile, a long time and saying the same thing over and over again. which doesn't make sense. you're saying that this is just, this kid kills four people -- >> i didn't say it was just. >> this system is designed to make sure -- >> in the halls of justice -- >> there are no consequences -- >> what about -- >> this is sending a terrible message to other kids that suffer from affluenza and poorenza there is this inequality -- >> sunny, you should know better than to just put out that. that is not the message that's being sent. >> sure, it is. >> there was a judge. there was a prosecutor there, who were there the whole time. obviously this judge, they have elected judges in texas. you think this judge is going to do this because they felt this would enhance my election prospects? >> she's retiring. she's not running for e
reelection. >> because she's in -- >> she's in her federal term. >> drew, to the doctor's point, it's not like the jail system is ideal for any treatment. >> this whole discussion is so demoralizing. on the other hand, let me propose something otherwise, which i've seen patients in other states, mark, i know you're in california. i had somebody in indiana, drug problems, behavior problems, ends up in prison and in prison has a five-year addiction treatment program, that's outstanding, a model program and she's suffering real consequences. she has prison guards on her 24/7 and making great strides -- >> drew, it happens all the time. >> drew, you don't have that in texas and you don't have that in california. you have a crippled system in california. you have a crippled system in texas -- >> are you saying people -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> you guys are making me -- you're making my heart hurt with
the story. let me say, whether we're advocating poorenza, affluenza i don't care, get help before you harm yourself or somebody else. >> why not just give the 16-year-old the death penalty? i forgot the supreme court said you couldn't do that. >> maybe not the death penalty but certainly ounconsequences f killing four people. >> you put him in prison, he's going to get killed. >> he killed four people. >> we'll talk to the therapist who came up with this idea of affluenza. thank you. let us know what you think on twitter @andersoncooper. up next, new information about what was happening in the cockpit moments before the asiana crash in san francisco
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francisco after hitting a seawall and the crash landing. new information released shows that the pilots had warnings the plane was descending too fast moments before the crash. >> reporter: this newly released security camera video shows asiana 214 crashing last july in san francisco. now we know more about what was happening inside that cockpit. it's clear the plane was descending too quickly, and today, we learned one of the pilots realized it. the cockpit voice recorder show 52 seconds before the crash, a relief pilot in the backseat of the cockpit called out sink rate, warning the plane was dropping too fast. yes, sir, the pilot flying responded and that warning was repeated two more times, once in english and finally in korean. the pilot at the control lee kang cook was a trainee on the 777 but had substantial experience in other aircraft.
he told investigators he was not confident in understanding how the plane's auto flight system worked and felt he should study more. he also said it was difficult and quote stressful to land the plane visually without an instrument approach to guide them. but he felt pressured to do it because other pilots were. >> we do have an issue in aviation that needs to be dealt with with respect to automation and performance when it comes to the interaction between the aircraft and the human being. >> reporter: ntsb investigators question if the pilots were too relying on technology. the pilot flying thought the auto throttle, similar to cruise control in a car was engaged but it wasn't dramatically slowing the plane. >> automation is a tool, but ultimately, the pilots must make sure you have a safe flight path and you're responsible for that, no matter what happens.
>> reporter: crash survivor took these photos immediately after the plane went down. like most passengers he didn't attend the hearing, saying he wants to focus on family and work but hopes to find out what caused the crash. >> i got a sense of what happened. i want to get to the bottom of it and everything that went wrong that day. >> reporter: the ntsb investigation will continue for several months, a final determination of the causes of the crash will come next year. >> that was rene marsh reporting. no one except a pilot can understand what it's like to be at the controls when something catastrophic happens. everybody remembers this from 2009 after the plane landed on the hudson river. sully sullenberger joins me now. some pretty surprising findings coming from today's hearing. one of the co-pilots warned three times the plane was dropping too fast but no one noticed they were going too slow until before impact. how does that happen?
>> they had help, which is to say they didn't have help and that's a mystery this investigation has to answer for us, is what other factors were in play? will they do to widen the scope of this investigation to include how these pilots were trained, how the culture at that organization and in their society may have played a part. how was it that a professional crew could get to the point where they are a littlely a few seconds before impact and no one has effectively intervened. because ultimately, the pilots are always responsible for whatever happens whether you're using automation or not, they should have a flight path that is stable and appropriate, and they should manually fly the airplane to make sure that happens, and if they can't, they need to abandon it and bring it around again. >> you brought up culture. according to investigators, the korean deaf france is given to older more senior people. the pilot wouldn't wear sun glass, despite being blinded by
reflection because it was considered impolite to wear sunglass sunglasses, this is a problem that's cropped up before with korean pilots or pilots from other cultures? >> absolutely, yes. in fact, there are a number of accidents where this has been noted. so what we have to do, and what has been done in the past to change their -- the cockpit culture is teach them how important this is. we fought a similar battle in changing the cockpit culture at american airlines, the united states of america airlines about 25 or 30 years ago where i along with other pilots developed and implemented a leadership and team building course to teach captains to be inclusive to build a team, listen to others, make good decisions, not isolation. but, i don't know to what extent the foreign airlines are trained in these procedures and i don't know if they are trained, does their culture allow them to be
used in practice -- >> because it is shocking to think -- i mean, as a passenger in planes, if the captain of the plane i was on had -- you know, had thoughts of i should be wearing sun glasses but i would would seem impolite but there is a senior instructor on board. as a passenger that seems outrageous. >> well, what we have to do and what's been done before is you have two sets of society rules in cultures like this where the hierarchy is to extreme. in the general population, it's appropriate to behave in certain ways, and we understand that but for safety reason when is you come to work and get in an airplane, then you have to do it this way and be more inclusive you have to listen to the most junior person if they bring up a concern and the decision maker, the captain must effectively act on that information, and that's what didn't happen soon enough in this case. >> the pilot said he was very concerned about making a visual approach on this runway,
something he had not done on this aircraft before. are pilots becoming too accustomed to auto pilot? >> you know, the appropriate use of automation in the cockpits is a growing conrn globally. these ccerns had been appearing appearing for years but it's shocking to hear such a frank admission in a public hearing like this. what it indicates to me is that the pilots may not be getting the kind of training they need, and not enough chances to manually practice flying the airplane and lack the confidence that makes them reluctant to intervene when the automation isn't doing what they expect. >> captain sullenberger, thank you for being on. >> good to be with you. just ahead, the man who silence add key moment of history for deaf south africans and people that hired him to translate nelson mandela's memorial service. the man you're looking at, the sign language interpreter is
apparently fake according to the death community in south africa. how did he get on the stage? the montana newlywed accused of shoving her husband off a cliff, why she allegedly blind folded him moments before he died. [ paper rustles, outdoor sounds ] ♪ [ male announcer ] laura's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
welcome back. tonight the deaf community in south africa is outraged, calling it a travesty. you probably remember this guy up on the stage for the whole four hours translating the words of all the speakers into gestures by all accounts were basically gibber rish. he's apparently a fake. deaf south africans are outraged they missed out on a key moment of the nation's history. >> reporter: he seems to be gesturing with authority, signing to keep pace with the speaker. >> must live side by side dreaming the same dream. >> reporter: but this sign language interpret ter was a fake. they claim he's had no formal training, the signs he's making are not used in south african sign leverage and never used facial expressions, a key part
of signing. the federation says there are established signs for famous people in south africa. >> he has now flicked his hand. this has no meaning. and i think he's even signed help because this is a sign for help. so -- or help someone. so who is being helped is not known because the speaker has said former president and nowhere does the sign name for him appear and he should know that if he's interpreting at that level. >> reporter: the deaf community in south africa is outraged. >> because he's a fake interpreter and been signing arbitrary signs. >> reporter: a deaf member of south africa's parliament tweeted he's just making up, get him out of tv site. if this man was a fake, was he a security risk? he stood inches from president obama and other world leaders. the white house seemed uncomfortable talking about it. >> i would refer to the south african government about who that person was and what their responsibilities were. >> reporter: who is he? his a mystery.
the south african government won't comment saying it's investigating. former secret service agent larry johnson says for these events, the host organization provides names of everyone in the inner perimeter to the secret service 48 hours in advance so names, backgrounds can be checked but. >> being bad at your job is not a concern of the secret service. the concerns are is he someone that shouldn't be there because he has bad intentions, he's known to law enforcemt? he a security risk. >> reporter: johnson says it dn't sho up in the background checks. did the secret service bet him? agreed upon security measures between the secret service and south african security officials were in place during the ceremony. the secret service says the host organizing committee was responsible for the picking of the interpreter. >> incredible. obviously, we'll find out more how he got to be on stage, who
that person is. susan hendrix has the 360 bull ton. nasa says there is a problem with the cooling system on the international space station. a nasa spokesperson says one of two cooling pumps has failed. the spokesman says they are working on the problem, and the crew is not in danger. there are child porn accusations tonight against senator lamar alexander's chief of staff. jessie ryan has been put on unpaid leave after his house was searched. the senator says he is stunned and his office is cooperating with the investigation. the house has passed a bill that would take $13 million a year set aside for political conventions and instead use it for pete yacht tick research. the bill is named after 10-year-old activist gab ella miller who before she died urged congress to work together. pope francis has been named "time magazine's" person of the
the defense says she pushed him in self-defense, his death was an accident. the prosecution says it was murder. in court today a piece of evidence came up that could play into a theory gram blind folded her husband on that cliff and several of johnson's friends took the stand. >> reporter: cody johnson's friends arrived for the third day of the murder trial, with their grief visible and raw. they testify jordan gram was not an overwhelmed newlywed who accidently pushed her husband of eight days off a cliff but a regretful bride who planned to kill. eddy saw his friend cody johnson the day he died and asked him to go golf. johnson said she couldn't because jordan said she has a surprise for me. three witnesses testified the same thing, including steven, gram's own stepfather who said his new son-in-law also mentioned the surprise to him. the defense downplayed it and gram later told the fbi the surprise was just a barbecue
with friends. later that night, johnson plunged to his death off the steep cliff at glaciers national park. gram's lawyers call the death an accident and the couple was fighting on a cliff. johnson grabbed her, she pushed and he fell to his death. prosecutor haves a different version. they say gram wanted up of the marriage and plotted to kill her husband. they testified down stream from johnson's body he found a black cloth. prosecutors raised the there reat the cliff she blind folded her husband with a black cloth before pushing him in the back with two hands face-first to the death. attorneys are fighting who handled the cloth alleging contamination of evidence. they say gram spun a web of lies, lying to a grams man cameron who said in court who he told cnn this summer. >> she actually changed her story and stated she was at the house when cody left, and that
she saw him leave in a dark-colored car. so, between the two days, two completely different stories, and at that time, that's when i became suspicious and then actually went to the authorities. >> reporter: where she continued lying to corey clark. have you had many people lie to you? >> i don't want to talk about that. >> reporter: but he did talk on the stand, testifying gram created a fake e-mail account so she could send e-mails that would cover her tracks. jordan gram continued the lies to police, friends and family until an fbi interrogation where she was shown this image. it's a snapshot on surveillance camera at the entrance of glaciers national park. it's clear gram is a passenger in the car sitting next to her husband, putting her at the scene of the crime. >> so that surveillance picture,
which officials say shows her and her husband in the park in the car, the last time johnson was seen alive, that got gram to tell the truth? was the defense? >> reporter: it had to hurt. even though they knew it was coming, just because you were braced for the punch doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. what this does is really shows two sides of the same person. the jury just yesterday actually saw her lie seemingly to police. today a 180 from her. it's difficult for defense to recover. anderson, we spoke to the defense attorney. he's looking forward to presenting his side. >> appreciate it. we'll continue to follow it. we honor the children killed at sandy hook. a preview of the documentary that area at 10:00 tonight. stay tuned. i'm beth...
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this saturday marks the first anniversary of the day that changed life forever in the community of new town connecticut, on december 14th, 2012 a gunman opened fire murdering 26 people including 20 children. tonight, at 10:00 eastern time we'll broadcast a special report called honoring the children at new town a year later. it examines the legacies of three of the first graders who died. >> i was sure she was going to walk out. i didn't understand the magnitude of the situation until about 2:00 in the afternoon. >> i was at work, and i was driving back, and i'm calling her, and asking her for information. i'm like why am i getting better information off am than from you? you're standing right there.
i was about a mile from new town, when they came out and said 20 children had been killed, six adults and it struck me. thank god it was only a mile from there because if i had been driving on 84, i would have run the car off the road, because it was such a disturbing moment. >> eventually, a knock came. it was a police officer and i unlocked the door, and there was swat team. i grabbed two of my students' hands. a swat member grabbed a hand or two and we fled out the back of the school. kaylyn and her 15 first graders all survived. three of the five first grade classrooms escaped unharmed that d day. and the other two, a different story. >> they finally said, if you're in this room and you're waiting, there is, you know. >> your loved one is not coming
back. >> reporter: among the 20 children and six educators who died that day. >> i think there is not a minute, not a second of any day that goes by where somewhere in my head i'm thinking i don't have my daughter avielle. she's gone. that's always in my head. >> it's every second of every day that she's not with me, and that's enough. >> literally, days after we lost her, we said we have to do something. it's just in our nature. >> it may have even been that very day. i remember asking why would somebody walk into the school and kill my child? i need to know that answer. i have to have that answer. >> do you think there is always a why? >> because we don't know the answer doesn't mean there isn't
a cause. >> yeah. >> even before avelle's funeral, her parents set on a mission to search for answers. they weren't the only ones. >> we can't go back in time, but we can take what we've learned and honor our daughter by doing something with it. >> we are kind of faced with do you want to do something, or do you want to do nothing? there was no question. >> the special report honoring the children, new town a year later area a little over an hour from now. we hope you join us for that. we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany?
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hope you tune in one hour from now at 10:00 p.m. eastern honoring the children of new town, one year later. "piers morgan live" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. the spiritual leader beat out everyone. the most prestigious person of the world. i'll ask how his father billy graham is dog. also, donald trump on the selfie, on the