tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN December 18, 2013 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
ten moments of 2012. join us, there are some funny ones and some ridiculous ones, tonight on the 11th hour, more on the outrage of the star of duck dynasty, on his gay comments comparing homosexuality to bestiality. good night everybody. good evening, everyone, the wealthy person who got probation, because the judge explains being a rich child explains manslaughter. also, breaking news tonight on the war of words between india and the united states. the indian government has stopped protecting the embassy, believe it or not, it is after a nanny was arrested and strip searched. and two former winners
tonight talk about what is in store and why getting rich quick is sometimes no prize, we begin with the story we first reported last week that outraged a lot of people. tonight, a new development. a new effort to put a killer behind bars. because whatever you else you think of ethan couch, he is a killer, he got drunk and rammed his father's pickup truck into a car in june. in his case, at age 16 he was not even legal to drink in the first place, he was convicted of manslaughter but sentenced only to probation and rehab and likely going to this $450,000 a year california facility paid for by his family. the judge, buying the psychologist's testimony, agreed that the youth was suffering from something called affluenza, saying that his family had had indulged his behavior, in other words, the spoiled brought
defense, after he killed four people. >> the primary message has to absolutely be that money and privilege can't buy justice in this country. that it is not okay to drink and drive and kill four people, wound, severely injure another and not have any consequences to that. that is not the american dream that we grow up to participate in. and i -- i just don't understand it. >> well, not many people do. they simply don't understand how getting away with things as a child entitles you as a young adult entitles you to not going to prison. as you will see here, he could barely concede that ethan couch killed four people. >> if you commit a crime, you can't use that as an excuse, can you? >> no, and the term, when you used the word "killed" and people out in america hears t t
that, it implies there is motive. the motive was not good. >> are you saying he didn't murder four people, kill four people? >> yes, he did not murder four people. it is a legal term. >> okay, but he slammed his truck. >> first degree homicide and involuntary manslaughter are different things, anderson. >> he killed four people, yes? >> four people died. >> four people died, he says as if they slipped away quietly at home in their beds, in fact, four people died because ethan got drunk and got behind the wheel and killed them. four people were in the back of the pickup and begged him to slow down reportedly, sergio molina was paralyzed, can only communicate by blinking his eyes, gary tuckman communicated with him recently.
>> tell me about him. >> he was the best, he was that kind of boy with a lot of dreams. he was -- well, his first dream was to be a soccer player. he was sweet. i mean, he was -- >> he is lucky he has you. you need to hear that from people like me, outsiders. do you realize that? >> yeah. >> he is lucky he has you and his siblings to take care of him, right? >> yeah. >> well, now, sergio and solomon's story will be the focus. clearly, the district attorney is looking for any way possible to have couch spend some time in jail here. do people you have spoken with here think that will actually work? >> well, what the da in ft.
worth, texas, is trying to do is get ethan couch sentenced for the assault cases, they argue what he sentenced him to was the manslaughter charges, so they will try again with this. but many legal analysts say simply this is just a long shot at best. if the judge gave him probation and rehab for four manslaughter charges, how could she go above and beyond that for two lesser charges? >> right, is this just a political move from the district attorney, just because they got outrage from it, just showing they're trying to do something? >> well, as a matter of fact, the district attorneys there and everywhere else are elected officials so they're very tuned into what people are saying about it. they are clearly angry about the sentence, but they were not happy about the way the sentence came down. they would like to see jail time. >> right, they originally argued for a 20-year sentence, that was the maximum that could have been
gotten. what about the judge? does she give signs that she is changing course in any way? >> not a bit, in fact, judges here in texas are elected, as well. but we're told she is not seeking re-election next year. and we've put in numerous calls, cnn has tried for a week to see if she has a comment to explain the rationale behind this, and we have never heard back from her. >> the victims' families have filed lawsuits against the couches for the deaths? >> yes, sergio molina's family say they have already racked none the short time since this accident happened, and he has been comatose, essentially, they racked up more than a million in medical bills in the last several months. this is the way he will be.
so they will rack up more expenses. >> i want to bring in criminal defense attorney sunny hostin, do you actually believe the judge's point. if the judge gave probation for manslaughter, it seems unlikely she would give lesser time for an offense. >> i will tell you, i think this was a gift for this judge. people are calling for her removal. i think she should be removed. this was borderline an illegal sentence, way too legal. the gift the prosecutors are giving her is another shot at doing the right thing. mark geragos is never going to admit that i said this, a creative prosecutor will try to right this wrong. the sentence could have been appealed. the prosecutor's office doesn't think that. but now they're trying to find another way to bring this man to justice. the cure for affluenza is prison time. that is what he should get. he has been exposed to three
years's assault, and that is what he should get. >> mark, do you think it is politics? >> not just politics, but a complete show boat by the prosecution. they have no chance, legally, unless they want to undo years of jurisprudence. all of these actions took place, the same act, legions of cases, you can't go back and serially prosecute somebody. they knew about it. as far as this idea, let's get some of our terms straight. first of all this kid is not eligible for prison. this kid is at most, eligible for the juvenile justice system with a max of three years until he was 19. the prosecutor has no ability, as i said before, to appeal this. they're just doing a show boat. >> it is not a show boat, they asked for 20 years. >> plenty of kids, if they have
no money, they do get sentenced to prison. >> there is no question that he could have been sentenced to the juvenile justice system, that is a given. >> and there are rehab facilities, although clearly not as good. >> no, there is nowhere near as good. from my standpoint, instead of pillaring this judge, who by all accounts is not a whack job, i don't know her -- >> except that she sent a black kid who punched someone, and that person fell and died, she sentenced him to ten years in prison. >> correct. >> ten years, this kid killed four people. >> i could pick judge after judge after judge, prosecutor after prosecutor after prosecutor where there is disparity because of race and means. what i'm telling you is it should be a pivot point for a discussion as to why we don't havehab facilities and
the juvenile justice facilities, because i think she looked at the kid and said he wouldn't survive. >> that is ridiculous, who cares if he doesn't survive. >> why don't we give him the death penalty? >> it is interesting, i have heard a lot of people on the program who are supporting the decision of this judge, concerned about this kid's surviveability in prison, i don't hear a lot of people saying that they're worried about them. >> the bottom line, the juvenile justice system favors rehab, but not when somebody kills four people, who cares if he doesn't do well. >> he is supposed to go to a juvenile justice type facility. the whole idea of juvenile -- the juvenile system is rehabilitation. if you want to put him in prison, you have to make him an adult. that is why we have direct filing. now, when sunny says i'm the one who is not talking about racial
disparity. we talk about it all the time. i'm the one screaming at the top of my lungs saying there is a disparity in the criminal justice system. >> well, it is an unjust system. >> it is unjust when you put it side by side with the other kid. but does that mean we're going to go back and put the kid in the train track, and if you say who cares, i understand that, then give him the death penalty. >> let us know what you think, follow me on twitter, tweet us using hash tag ac 360. and the diplomat's wounded dignity, does her detention and strip search expose a double standard? they're freaking out over it in the embassy, the question is would we be freaking out, too, if another country did that to an american envoy. and also, a hand-picked white house panel says they have not prevented all the nsa
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attack, no longer protected by indian security forces, they pulled out. the united states needs to be reminded that india cannot be treated in this manner. they are talking about the strip search of india's deputy counsel general. >> as she left the mission in new york city yesterday, devanyi khobragrade made no comment, the deputy was charged with making false statements on a visa application she submitted on her nanny, the diplomat was arrested at her daughter's school and handed over to u.s. marshals. she was strip searched and put in general population with other criminals and was given no special status since the charges related to her personal life and not a diplomatic function. according to her complaint, the nanny says she was to pay $9 an hour, instead, the nanny said it
was 3 an hour, but three types more what the average domestic in india makes. >> the allegations are that the -- dr. devanyi khobragrade lied in order to bring her domestic worker here with no intention of paying the required wages for the hours she requested. our clients who work as domestics live in the home, so if they leave, they not only leave their legal status they leave their only source of income, and the only home they have known in a foreign country. >> once you hand somebody over to the marshal's service, they are being arrested and there is no door for rich people and no door for poor people. everyone is arrested and equal before the law in the united states. >> martina vandenberg has been tracking these cases for the last ten years. >> so what is different, the
united states and the department of justice stepped up and took the allegations and investigated them thoroughly and decided they had enough evidence to indict the case. >> according to the criminal complaint, the 39-year-old devanyi khobragrade agreed to pay the amount a certain amount, but that figure was the diplomat's, not the nanny's. both say that the attempt to solve it was unsuccessful. >> was this an attempt simply to get a green card? >> i think that question has been asked. there are other avenues for immigration relief other than putting yourself into a situation where you're going to be exploited. >> so the u.s. attorney responded moments ago, what did they say? >> there was strong language, he said this diplomat was not treated unfairly, in fact, she was treated with a fair amount of deference, when she was strip
searched, she was done so by a female marshal, not only for her protection but also the protection of other people that she might be put with. so that is just standard procedure. he said she was not arrested in front of her children or cuffed. she was allowed to make numerous phone calls, including arranged child care. he also said look, you have to focus on the victim, the victim's family has now been brought to the united states. that is because there was retaliation from the family. the legal proceedings had had started in india, in addition, the family was trying to get her to return back to the country where really she would have no legal rights. also, just keep in mind that devanyi khobragrade coerced the nanny to sign a second document after she had successfully gotten a second document. so while the nanny agreed to be paid $9.75, her employer forced her to sign a document saying she would agree to $3.33 an
hour, so very different, that is where the fraud comes in. and that is where these charges of the diplomat of happened. late today we learned that secretary of state kerry spoke with the indian adviser, expressing regret. we mentioned security being pulled from the u.s. embassy in delhi, and this incident has eevoe evoked a lot of reaction, i heard one administrator saying they should arrest the same-sex marriage partners because homosexuality is now illegal there. >> reporter: that is right, a member of the opposition made that comment a day or two ago because really, there is such outrage in india over the way the diplomat was arrested in new york. the way that she was arrested, you know, during a school run and the strip searching.
that has really, really upset people over here. people here, the government has called the incident barbaric, and even the indian prime minister is usually careful with his words. even he spoke out calling the incident despicable and deplorable. so yes, a huge amount of outrage, now, is india retaliating? yes, they have introduced a number of issues, they have taken away the identity cards issued to consulate staff here in india. what it basically means is they're stripping away some of the diplomatic privilege some people enjoy, such as access to airport lounges. also they have removed the concrete barriers outside the u.s. embassy here in new delhi. they say they removed it because it was just a friendly courtesy, never a diplomatic requirement. it insists that all u.s. embassy staff members are safe. >> appreciate the update, thank
you, also with us tonight is the representative on indian council. you're upset with the way the diplomat was treated. you say it is a classic case of double standard, what do you mean by that? >> well, it is a simple thing, when americans are serving abroad as diplomats, they expect a certain level of treatment. and they insist on it. and when they get into trouble with local laws, they are treated very differently. sometimes they are whisked out of the country, even when they have been involved in really serious crimes. so but when it comes to diplomats from other countries, they seem to be very helpless and they say it is our law. >> so compromise, though, the security of the u.s. embassy in new delhi with retaliation, is
that a product yiv y -- produ way to solve it? >> no, i don't think so i have criticized it as well with my writing. i think both sides need to work on a solution. but at the same time it cannot be denied that the outrage in india at the way the diplomat was treated, is very strong. >> you say that what is being lost in all of this is the plight of this domestic worker. >> well, that is an issue that is not being discussed much, although there was talk about the facts that the u.s. state department actually arranged for her husband and child to come here. we haven't heard anything about her situation and the fact that, we know she was working under some very difficult conditions in terms of the money she was making. there were apparently two contracts signed by her and her employer, as the u.s. attorney's
office says, the first contract said she would get $4500 per month. which is a good amount of salary to work in new york, the second contract said she would get 30,000, that is a substantial amount for a domestic help in india. in fact, a lot more, most domestic help gets a third of that. but when you can turn 30,000 into dollars, that amounts to $500. there has been a lot of protest in india. i personally believe it is politically motivated. we have political elections. >> you think that is what is behind this? >> it is interesting, there was a delegation that visited new delhi last week, and the candidate who is going to be to prime minister candidate of the party. as alleged, the prime minister candidate, both have refused to meet the u.s. delegation. and that is -- to me, it is this
-- clearly this becomes an election sort of statement they make, look we are standing up against the u.s. >> while i agree that it seems a little bit of politics is coming into it because we are in election season, but that applies equally well to u.s. diplomats who should have read the situation a little better. i think the bureaucracy in the united states treated this whole thing in a very unthinking manner. the relationship is an important one, we are strategic partners, we express love for each other all the time. but you know, you can't allow something like this to come in the way, then they should have been on the ball and they were not. >> i appreciate you. thank you very much. >> you can always find out more about the story on cnn.com. and we have breaking news, the panel charged with reviewing the
controversial spying activities exposed by edward snowden, and the panel set up by president obama agrees with him, calling for sweeping change. also, the mega millions won, one man who won the lottery said it ruined his life. to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
by some estimates, the nsa's call data base contains more than a trillion records. on one, a federal judge ruled that the collection of meta data is unconstitutional. now, the panel handpicked says the white house should give up its massive data base. jim sciutto joining me now. >> reporter: the headline is accountability. that is what one panel member said to me, accountability to the public, the white house, and you can see that reflected in the 46 recommendations the panel made. they want congress to pass legislation to move all the meta data, all the phone records, from the nsa's possession back to the phone company so it is in private hands, not in government hands, so for instance, the white house, they want presidential approval whenever the nsa is listening to the phone conversations of foreign leaders, like the german
chancellor, angela merkel. and in terms of the public, a whole range of things, one of them being a civilian leader, not a military. things like that to appeal to everyone saying there is better accountability and transparency here. you know what, anderson? they did not recommend ending this meta data collection program. they want to keep it in place, the members of the panel say there is still a national security interest in doing that. >> and the obama administration is not legally bound to do any of this. >> the president looks at this and goes forward, the administration official says he is going to look in january and come back and say what he accepts in effect. and we already know one of the recommendations of the panel the president has rejected. and that is the panel has recommended that you separate the nsa from the military cyber command, those are now under the joint leadership. the joint command of keith alexander, the head of the
organization, the president said he won't do that. >> and jim, appreciate your reporting, joining me tonight, with senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. glenn, what do you make of this report? >> this recommendation? >> it is extremely important, especially in the wake of the federal court ruling, found that the collection program is unconstitutional or likely so. now you have the hand-picked panel of advisers, concluding that it should stop and poses a dangerous threat to core liberties. also there is no evidence that it plays an important role in stopping terrorist attacks. >> jeff, again, as glenn said coming on the heels of the court ruling being unconstitutional, what do you make of it? >> well, i think i find myself in uncharacteristic agreement with glenn, by and large, although there is an important aspect that i just don't really understand. what they suggest is moving the
meta data away from the nsa to the private sector. now, do we trust the private sector so much in this country that this data, which everyone is so worried about, is so concerned about, it's better to have it under the control of amazon or google or whoever it turns out to be, rather than the united states government? >> glenn, what do you think about that? my understanding is they would have to go to a judge every time they want to access that data? >> right, it is a fair point, except two things, one is that remember, the telecoms already have this data, it is not like they give it to the government and don't continue to possess it. what changes is the -- as the constitution recognizes when it restricts the government, that would no longer have it. the second and really important part of that, arrest well as each individual company, so verizon, at&t, google, facebook
have their own customers' communications but nobody else's. the problem is now, that all of it gets centralized in one entity, which is the u.s. government, and they can access everybody's communication. >> it is pretty stunning, glenn, when you read the recommendations, i want to read from a viewer, they said quote, information contributed to terrorists by the use of section 215 telephoning meta ddata, was not essential in attacks. >> it actually didn't have the intended point that it was supposed to. >> anderson, to me, that is the key point and i'll tell you why. this whole controversy began when the director of national intelligence or president obama, director clapper appeared before the senate. and when asked whether the nsa was collecting data on millions of americans, lied to the senate, which was a felony. and our report showed they did
exactly which they denied doing. and ever since the scandal began, the nsa's program has been the same, the urgency to stop terrorist attacks, and three who had access to the data said there is no evidence it stops terrorism. the federal judge three days ago said the same thing that there is no evidence that the nsa can point to that it stops terrorism. and then have you the white house panel, which says essentially the same thing that the nsa cannot be believed when they go to the american public, and yell terrorism over and over, there is no evidence that it stops terrorism in any way. i think it is crucial. >> so jeff, i have to pose a question to you which i put to you the other day in the wake of the court ruling. the judgment, the judge says this is unconstitutional. and now you have a panel from a wide range of backgrounds of people saying it didn't really do anything to stop terrorism. do you think this further vindicates edward snowden?
>> yes, i mean, definitely it vindicates the result of what has happened. i mean, i remain convinced. and i remain sure that this was not the vehicle that snowden should have used to go forward. you know, classified information is not his to decide to give to glenn greenwald or anyone else. but raising these issues is very important. and i continue to disagree with how it came up, but this is an important conversation for the country to have. >> glenn, how much of these recommendations do you actually see the white house adopting? >> well, that is a really great questionment. i think already they have indicated that some of them they're not amenable to. if the white house convenes this panel, and hand picked them, these are obama loyalists to the
president. and the department director of the cia who looked at this and said we don't need these programs, to say they're a menace to americans' individual liberty and privacy, you have asked us to tell you what needs to be done, how does the obama administration come out and say we're going to ignore the panel's recommendations, we're going to simply disregard them even though we picked these people to do the job, to tamp down the public scandal, i think it will be upsetting to the american people if they do that. up next, the story of duck dynasty, the hugely popular show, suspended for comments he made about sexuality. also, you have a better chance of a comet or asteroid hitting you.
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breaking news tonight, phil robertson, the family patriarch on duck dynasty has been suspended, following remarks he made in a gq profile, about gays, he is quoted as saying the gays are sinful people who won't inherent the kingdom of god, he said bestiality, sleeping with that woman and those men, tom, phil robertson issued a statement earlier about his comments today, what did he say? >> well, he kind of tried to walk it back again.
saying i'm a product of the '60s, i centered my life around rock and roll and drugs until i accepted jesus, he said we're all created by god and i love humidi humanity, i would never treat anybody different because of their believes, so he tried to walk it back. but obviously it didn't take with the folks at a & e. >> did they say how long it would last? >> they're just saying indefinitely. this is the most successful reality tv franchise ever. it is worth an absolute fortune, certainly for a & e it is. but one of the rules for the family, is the sense that the family very much sticks together, i'll be curious to see if it is possible to suspend phil without having the rest of the duck dynasty folks saying fine, we're suspended, too, we wouldn't work without him
because we're a family. they're certainly wealthy enough that they don't have to work. so i think there is going to be a huge incident tomorrow and i expect a big pushback from the religious community, as well. >> tom, thank you, a woman from georgia stepped forward today holding one of the winning tickets from the mega millions jackpot. ira curry picked last night's number numbers, she heard the numbers while driving, said she was in a state of disbelief when her daughter told her, the other winning ticket was sold in san jose, california, so the question we have tonight is what is it like to be an instant millionaire, two winners, with very different experiences, on the phone is terry dill who won more than three and a half million dollars when he was only 18. rick, you didn't know you won
the lottery right away, it actually took several months for you to check your tickets, why was that? >> that is right, anderson, the ticket was actually sitting in a cookie jar for a little over two and a half months before we realized we had won. and it was basically a challenge by my wife to go and get the tickets checked or she was going to throw them away. that prompted me to go and actually get them scanned and find out whether we won anything. >> this is probably a dumb question, but how did you feel when you found out you won the jackpot? >> you know, it was absolutely insane. we had gone through such a difficult time over the last year and a half. and you know, just the simple clinging of faith. and to be rewarded this way was just incredibly overwhelming. >> and what has changed for you in the past year? >> in the past year, the most significant thing for us has been the opportunity of choice. true choice. when my son graduated high
school last year, he felt his only option was a community college. now, he has the choice to be able to attend whatever college he wants, in the united states. and for -- for us as a family, i guess the biggest change has been the ability to give. we were recipients of a lot of help over the last two years. and it just feels so good to be able to give back. >> and terry, your experience was different. you went back in 1994, the youngest lottery winner in history, what was it like for you? >> well, first of all, good evening, anderson. it was good, but as 18 years old, i was a senior in high school. it was an experience that not too many people get to enjoy. but you know, we've all heard stories of the bad. what goes wrong. we have to really focus on what
we can do right, rick hit it right on the head when he said you're given the opportunity and the gift of choice. whenever you win that or if you win a jackpot, mega millions, it doesn't matter. you're given a choice, make it a blessing or a curse. >> no, i was just thinking about it, terry, i can't imagine at 18 being in high school and getting the 3.-- or $7.5 million or however much it was exactly. did people suddenly try to take advantage of you and treat you differently? >> not at first, i come from a small town, everybody knew me, i knew everybody. no, they didn't, they treated me just the way they always have. so i was very blessed for that opportunity. once i got out of town and started to go to college and so forth, yeah, that did happen. but whenever you -- receive something like that, you go through a process, just like grieving. there are three steps to grieve, the denial, the shock, and
finally acceptance. for something like that being 18 years old, i kind of attribute it to this. try to tell an 18-year-old something is impossible. they think they know it all. trying to tell an 18-year-old that has $3 and a half million something is impossible. they're just not going to listen. had i done so things would have been a lot different. >> what would you do differently, terry, if you won the lottery today and the advice for somebody who wins it? >> you know, after the conversation with some of your people last night, i wanted it to be a message of hope of perseverence, one thing i did wrong, i pray that the winners who hear this, first thing they need to do is drop to their knees and ask the heavenly father for guidance, if you ask
with sincere loving heart, he will guide you. i didn't do that. and i believe if i would have done that, it gave him the power. things would have turned out differently. there is a plan for each and every one of those, i helped those who i needed to help. i was not living my life the way i should have. just as soon as i received it, it was gone. that is what built the character. if you can persevere through it -- >> so all the money is gone? >> i do have some stashed away in retirement. the bulk was gone, i was taken advantage of by people who are business oriented, as you would say. but it is all an experience in life. and rick, i researched and i saw your story. and man, you are an inspiration. and if there is anything you could take away from your story and my story, it is not the
money that is of value. it is those who love you and stand by you. >> yes, absolutely. >> people that are there in the end. that is value, that is worth. >> terry, do you still play the lottery? >> oh, heck yeah, i thought i won last night. i thought wouldn't it be a great story to come on anderson cooper and say i just won again? >> rick, do you still play? >> absolutely. >> guys i appreciate the conversation, you have a great perspective on this, and rick, thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson. up next, good news about a man who fell on the subway track as a train was heading their way. just by talking to a helmet. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up.
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let's get caught up some of the other stories. anderson, the senate has passed the compromise budget agreement that the house approved last week, the president is expected to sign it. the agreement reduces the chance of another government shutdown. a record day on wall street after the fed announced a modest cutback in its bond buying program that helped stimulate the economy. the dow surfaced 290 points, closing at a high of 1,167. and the s&p had good news, as well. and good news for a blind man and his dog who both fell on the track as the train approached. cecil williams and his black lab are doing well. and the donations will allow him to keep orlando, when the dog is retired, which is expected to happen soon.
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. time now for the ridiculist. and i don't usually give much credence to popularity rankings, but i have to say one that came out did get in means, the popular wire to see which news anchors get mentioned the most favorably, i came in number two, 85% of which were favorable. thank you, i can tell you the
other 15% were mostly made up of late night rants, and filth, and violence, thank you, twitter for bringing us altogether, and which news cast is mentioned even more than me and more favorably, that would be none other than ron burgundy. mentioned over 500,000 times in the past month, 91%, burgundy beat out not only me, but megyn kelly, and wolf blitzer. so he is a top notch journalist, no doubt about it. but there is no movie about me, whereas burgundy plays a small role in anchor man 2, which is in theaters because it got promotion as you may have noticed. let's be honest, they didn't exactly go the beyonce secret route for producing it. there are posters everywhere. and they will pretty much let
everybody do those roles. >> i was just doing my best ron burgundy impression, the mustache, the whole persona, when i started "ac360," ron's shadow still loomed over the show, there were lights blocking it, he had it in his contract that it could never be removed. it was a huge pain in the [ bleep ]. technically, that was not a commercial, not only are there many commercials for anchor man 2, burgundy has been showing up on virtually every show on the air. >> i just have to ask you, do you use vitalis hair spray? >> i do use a hair spray, but i'm not familiar with the name. >> oh, you should use vitalis. >> spray it, don't touch it. >> i say that about numerous parts of my body. ron would be a little nervous to be in your presence because he
has been out of the news game for a while. >> if this news thing doesn't work out for me, what do you think? do i have potential for the big screen? >> great interview with you, great to meet you. >> listen, i'll tell you what, why don't we do the rankings six months from now, when the movie wouldn't be playing then, until then, you stay classy, ron burgundy, you will also be with us. was it really necessary to arrest and strip search an indian diplomat? plus, will president obama scale back the nsa spying program? and duck dynasty under fire. was the show's star being offensive or just true to his religious beliefs? good evening. i'm jake tapper in for erin burnett. we'll get to our top story in a minute. first big news out of the markets.