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wait until you hear what he says about chris christie. >> libertarianism is the future. and that is everybody be cool to each other. everybody live responsibly. and live freely. >> that sounds really good. but let me ask you about -- >> no, let me ask you about the real world. chris christie is the real world. >> chris christie is not the real world. chris christie is a fat nightmare. >> a fat nightmare, well, i look forward to watching that. "anderson cooper 360" stardz right now. a 360 exclusive, dr. sanjay gupta, an expert in treating pain. why did his patients in his clinic o.d. and die? hackers take target. what you need to know if you
hold one of the 40 million credit and debit carts compromise in one of the biggest data rip off in records. dozens hurt, nick robertson is there, nick? >> reporter: anderson, 76 people injured so far we're told switch of them seriously injured taken away by paramedics on the scene within minutes. the fire service spokesman said that a 30 foot by 30 foot section of the ceiling in this more than 100 year old theater collapsed on the audience below. eyewitnesss we told you said they were injured about the first 40 minutes of the performance. then there was an indication of people starting to react to something. they thought it was part of the performance. then they said there was a cracking, a creaking sound from the ceiling. the ceiling began to bend and gave way showers plaster and wood work on the audience below.
people got out relatively quickly. ushers they say opened the doors for them. people helping those sitting next to them to get out. we're told by the eyewitnesss, as they were inside the theater, they were then helped out into a neighboring theater where they were given medical assistance and were then able to leave the area, but some of the people treated on site for up to about two hours before they were taken away in ambulances. right now, the fire service appeared to have secured the building, the traffic is now restarted on the street outside the apollo theater but they will work into tomorrow to ascertain what happened and ensure the building is safe for people to get back into and make whatever repairs are necessary, anderson? >> nick, thanks very much. now duck dynasty, a reality show, which means it bares a
glancing resemblance to actually reality. it's a carefully produce, heavily promoted, entertainment packed vehicle. the people in it are not quite themselves on the screen. they play carefully produced versions of themselves, sometimes hyped up, sometimes toned down always edited, always marketed. so when the star phil robertson said what he said, it was not the reality show phil robertson talking, it was presumably the real phil robertson which led the network to suspend him. is any of this worth fighting over? one thing is clear, to a and it's worth millions. in 2012 this family made their debut on a and e. "duck dynasty" is a reality show that made a fortune in products for duck hunters.
>> 40 years ago my father phil robertson invented a revolutionary duck caller that changed our life forever. >> reporter: the star of the show, phil robertson. >> my happiness is killing things. >> reporter: robertson is plain spoken religious traditional sort of guy. >> here is the deal, cell phones, not for me. texting i'm like no, shut it down, turn it off. >> reporter: in the four seasons the show has been on the air, he's never been afraid to express your opinion. >> if you're wop cooks better than your mama, you got one. >> reporter: it's that unfiltered opinion that makes it the most-watched program on america. >> kids in america today are fat, lazy. >> reporter: in the january issue of "gq" magazine he said sinful, start out with homosexuality and morph out from there and sleeping with that woman and that woman and those
men. he said neither the idoalters the slanders, swindlers, they won't inherit the kingdom of god. >> you must be phil? >> i'm what's left. >> reporter: a and e suspended him after it came out. saying quote, his personal views do not support the network's who are champions of the lgbt community. the network placed robertson on hiatus indefinitely. robertson talked about his upbringing in the south before the civil rights era and told "gq" quote i never with my eyes saw the mistreatment of any black person, not once he said and also said pre-entitlement, pre- welfare you say were they happy? they were godly. they were happy. no one was singing the blues. the naacp wrote a letter expressing outrage but robertson
has plenty of defenders. sarah palin called it a free speech issue on her facebook page and louisiana governor bobby jindal call theed robertson family quote great citizens, a change.org petition has more than 19,000 signatures so far. >> women are like lab retrievers they have quarks. you stay married to one, you learn to grow with the quarks. a and e says he is on hiatus, it's not clear if he'll appear in a premiere episode in season five which is less than a month away. because phil robertson weighed in on sexual, religious themes, there is a lot to talk about. he writes the salvage love and charles blow and ross. dan, are you -- should this guy
have been taken off the air by a and e? >> am i allowed to not have a an opinion? >> sure. >> that was a decision they made. most of the outrage is the comments about gay people. he's saying because gay sex icks him out, they aren't. i'm grossed out by straight sex. i'm gay, i think straight sex is icky. i think they should be able to marry, adopt and have children. straight people can't get past it. i actually thought we said about african americans in the south under jim crow was so much more offensive. >> they were happy, never heard them complains -- >> at a time an african american looked oddly to a white person they could be lynched. >> for you, those were the comments much more controversial. >> much more offensive. this is america and sex is what we would rather talk about than
race. so he invoked gay people's rear ends, that will be the conversation instead of the offensive things he said about african' more cans. >> charles blow? >> he's a media figure working for the media company. i think the media company has the right to do. he has the right to say what he wants to say. nobody is saying go out and arrest him, he's broken a law. the media company has a right to say does what this person say align with our values, our brand, our audience? if it does not and it is very likely written into a contract somewhere, if it does not, we have the right to no longer air you on our network, and that is what they have done. they have a right to do that. what i find strange, though, is that people don't -- do have opinions about when somebody should be taken off the air and when they should not, and they are not very consistent. you had martin say something really horrible about sarah palin and everybody saying this guy has to go. all -- it's not a free speech
issue. he shouldn't be able to say that and stay on the air. all of a sudden, this guy in the entertainment vehicle says something offensive about a lot of different things, homophobic, racially intensive, offensive against religions and the same corner of the kind of -- the i ya is saying this is a free speech issue. i think you have to be consistent. i think the media company, do whatever you're going to do. sometimes they let people stay on, sometimes they let people apologize, sometimes they lay low and blow over. do whatever you're going to do, i don't care. if you're going to be out in a public setting, i have an opinion about it and charging and waiting for somebody to be taken off the air, you have to be consistent about that, and i don't think that's happening. >> i was interested on the comments on gay people got more attention than the attention on african americans and his belief under jim crow laws they were
happy and not singing the blues. >> i was interested in that, too, because i didn't know about it. somebody tweeted to me that the homophobic stuff and i assumed that was the whole -- >> the things he said on gays and lesbians are not different than what is preached -- it's -- you know, religious believes held by many people. just because somebody has -- >> i think -- >> should they be taken off the air? >> this is the ambiguity, it's a little unclear what a and e is suspending him for, punishing him for, et cetera. if you look what he said about gay people, it's a mix of course and i think offensive comments about genitals and rear ends mixed in with some boilerplate quazi paraphrase' about homosexual sex to adultery there are christians leaping to his defense feeling this is a case
where a and e is saying -- and i think this is something that's becoming a fairly common opinion, actually in our culture, traditional doctrine on this question doesn't deserve a place in the public dialogue. i would also say, though, i think the issue for a and e here, and i completely agree they are a private company and can do what they want, there is a layer of corporate hypocrisy here where yes, it's a reality at the show and scripted and we know it's not really real. but the whole free song of this show, the whole appeal is hey, let's look at these fascinating, slightly cooky, red neck christians from louisiana and see what they are like. for the network to profit so hand -- handsomely and act offended when guess what, they turn out to say the things you might expect self-proclaimed red necks from louisiana to say is
ridiculous. "duck dynasty" is airing on reruns all weekend. if they actually -- if they wanted to make a stand on principle here, they should probably cancel the show, which i suspect they are not going to do. >> we'll take a short break and continue the conversation after the break. what you can do if you swiped your card at target and a hacker swiped your numbers. we'll have the answers about the massive data theft coming up. [ male announcer ] you'll only find advil, the #1 selling pain reliever, in one cold medicine.
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welcome back, we're talking about the "duck dynasty". >> any gay expression at all to adultery, which is a form of hetero expression, he compared it to dog rape, to somebody raping an animal, and that is increasingly impermissible i think in the public discourse when so many people that want to make those analogies and lean on the testament that expresses metro sexual. if your daughter is not a virgin on her wedding night you have to stone her to death, period, the end. >> if your child talks back to your parents -- >> and sexual prescriptions and ignore the same people that invoke the same sexual prescriptions in the bible ignore out of hand, dismiss out of hand when they apply to hetrosexuals. >> i would say i agree with dan
about the comments about bestiality and those are things i don't think christians should be defending and i don't think religious people should get in a situation where any time anybody says something on knox shows, they should spring to their defense because you have to take the side of the persecuted christian. there is a selective attitude, i think, here in the media, in corporate america, in a lead circle, where it's like, we love these duck dynasty guys, keep your christian faith nicely off stage and so on -- >> keep your bigotry and hypocrisy off stage is the point. >> the question, dan, is setting aside the specific comparisons to issues of stoning in the old
testament and so on, those things in christian doctrine, you know, the ideas that the whole law doesn't apply in the present day but the prohibition on sex outside metro sexual marriage remain and that's going to remain a feature of christian teaching for most conservative teachings in a society of toll rant homosexuality. >> the christians have a problem with sex outside of hetrosexual. 96% of people are not virgins on their wedding nights. christians don't go to the mattresses on that. the only time jesus talked about marriage and family he explicitly said divorce is a sin -- >> that's absolutely true but in defense -- >> to ban divorce, rewrite constitutions to ban it --
>> first of all, there is actually a divorce reform movement in conservative christian circles, it just doesn't have a lot of political influence. if you look at robertson's quotations in other interviews, i was a sexual sinner, too, in my youth. i mean, i think the idea that no christian ever talks about, you know, what is wrong with premarital sex seems to be an exaggeration. >> we'll see how long it lasts. this show is still on the air so for their talk of a hiatus. to me, i was annoyed by alec baldwin using the f word and then lying about it afterward. for some reason, this doesn't really surprise me or offend me particularly. i don't think that all people have to have the same thought and have to agree with or have to like gay people, as long as they are not passing laws
against them. >> when i was reading -- we were present at the interview so you can't pick up the subtles. he didn't seem like he was saying something to be malicious. you don't have to be malicious to do harm. there is ignorance in what he is saying in that interview, particularly, his relationship to african americans in that part of the world that are in west monroe. i grew up an hour away from there. i'm from the same area. you can say you lived however many decades and say you have never seen african americans treated in any way that was -- that was bad or i'm paraphrasing him now or to suggest that black people were happier and never singing the blues during jim crow but happened after the fact is a staggering amount of ignorance for someone to display. that doesn't mean he doesn't
have to right to say it but my god -- >> they want to redefine free speech saying we have a right to opinions and you don't have a right to an opinion about our opinion and you're violating speech rights. no, you have a right to my opinion -- >> dan, have i -- representing the right here, have i said anything like that in this conversation? >> let's get sarah palin on the air and she'll say exactly that. >> well, fine. >> if you want to have arguments about sarah palin with serious issues, i'll get martin basheer on the air -- >> i don't want to do that. i like ross on the air. i enjoy your take on things. >> he essentially made the argument, i have a right to my arguments. the free speech rights of your own -- >> i just don't see that as a problem that's in any way unique to the right wing.
i would say to return to where anderson and everybody started this conversation, i think in general, whether it's basheer or duck dynasty, the habit of saying something offense sieve, not apologize but should ban them. whether it's consecutives -- >> do you think basheer should still be on msnbc -- >> i wasn't a fan. i don't think he needed absolutely to resign. i think there is a lot to be said of people apologizing and moving on with their careers. >> i would say there is a difference between a news anchor who is representing your network, and a guy whose on a show that happens to be on your network. show -- a guy on a reality >> a reality show -- >> all about different walks of life -- >> i don't think there is a huge difference. that's the business they are in. msnbc was in the news business. this is an entertainer as a part
of your brand. it -- with all of these media companies, these are brands and you're extending that by allowing whomever on your network to be on that network. you can pull somebody in or let them go at any moment. that's part of it. >> the duggers who have that terrible show how many babies that woman can have in one lifetime, they are socially conservative and one child works in the security research and they are against gay marriage and sinful. nobody is calling for that show to be pulled off the air, nor should anyone, nor would i support that. >> so much of reality television is built around sex, violence and absolutely terrible people. one thing you see in the reaction from christians and conservatives is not so much defense of evening i said and i agree with the racial comments everything he said was reasonable and i think he should apologize. at the same time, in an industry built in exploitation to single out this one guy for suspension
and so forth just seems a little bit silly. >> that one guy, the big brother house, they had a bunch of people saying homophobic and racist things and as soon as they got off the show, they lost their jobs. this happens, it's not just this one guy. people don't like to be associated with people who are homophobic or racist. >> i guess i'm making a broader point, which is homophobic comments are treated differently from -- i mean, sexist comments, you know, the people that seth mcfarland can go from hosting the oscars to making movies that make racial and sexual jokes and the particular focus on what is wrong with backwoods conservatives, there is a broader spectrum that doesn't get touched. >> thanks very much. next, reaction from a pastor who was defrocked for officiating his gay son's marriage.
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a backdrop of true reality. that includes the defrocking of united methodist pastor. appreciate you being with us. before we talk about the specifics of you being defrocked, i want to ask your thoughts on this duck dynasty controversy, about the statements, the suspension, what do you make of it? >> i am very, very disappointed at statements like this in general because they really are uninformed. here you have some people that are lay people that really don't do a lot of research in terms of how to understand the scripture's right and interpret them, making statements that are so harmful and hurtful and to the lgbt community, and it's just outrageous. >> it's interesting, though, there are plenty of passages that one can point to in the
bible, which would -- which support those who say look, you know, the bible does not approve of homosexuality. in fact, it's described as being an abomination in one text. there are plenty of passages, which, also say that a child who curses their parents should be put to death or prohibit eating selfish and adulators should be put to death. why do you think those passages are glossed over and it's often the homosexuality or same sex, on homosexuality that are focused on? people have because they agenda certainly do not believe any longer that the earth is flat, which is also biblical in the old testament but they pick and choose what they feel is still relevant out of those passages and it really shows their
agenda. let me just add to that that in my studies, what i've discovered is that really none of the passages that talk about homosexuality or touch on homosexuality really are about committed, loving, homosexual relationships. they are always cast inappropriate behavior. for instance, the passage that gets quoted a lot, here you clearly have a situation where we're dealing with rape, and not a committed loving homosexual relationship. >> it's interesting to me in how 100 years ago there were those who used the bible to support their believe in slavery and could point to bible passages and slavery. do you sort of see this in the same light that one's interpretation of the bible should change over time, or is the written word, the written word?
>> well, i believe that everything evolves. today we know that homosexuality is not a choice, and so today we have different knowledge, and sometimes i think people don't realize that the bible itself contains a development of progressive revelation. i think that's a term many like here, progressive revelation here. that means we get a more clear picture about the truth of what is, you know, what god is trying to express in the bible, in the holy scriptures and of course, you know, the ultimate revelation of god's truth was embodied in jesus christ, we as christians believe and it's very significant to me that jesus christ never once mentioned homosexuality. >> as for your specific situation, you've now been
defrocked for performing your own son's marriage to a man. you were asked to voluntary relinquish your credentials, you said no. the united methodist church has thrown you out. when you performed your son's wedding, did you think the road would end up here with you being no longer a pastor in the methodist church? >> i certainly did not. i did it out of love for my son. it was an act of love and especially in his case where he had in the past struggled with his sexual orientation to a point where he was considering suicide. i thought for sure that the church would recognize that this was an act of love and that i would receive leniency. besides, i actually reported my intention to perform this wedding to my bishop and my superintendent and also afterwards, after i did it, i let them know in writing again i performed this wedding.
i never heard a peep from them until a complaint was filed earlier this year. >> for you what happens now, will you continue to speak out? will you continue to minister? >> oh, absolutely. i tell you, what, anderson, i'm so bless in someways to be able to continue to share my story and share my message of inclusiveness and of love because i've been invited to so many different venues and invited by so many different churches to speak, and i'm just honored that now i actually have a much larger parish than my little country parish i was preaching at before. just ahead, a 360 exclusive a doctor who is a leading expert in treating pain safely is under investigation after multiple deaths of patients at his clinic. around here you don't make excuses. you make commitments.
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management specialist who is considered a leading expert how to safely prescribe powerful painkillers including of yoids. the accusations against him are stunning, but he still has his prescription pad. >> reporter: you don't want to answer questions? >> no. >> reporter: why is this man walking away from our cameras, refusing to answer questions? webster is considered a leader in the field of pain management. he's president of the american academy of pain medicine. >> we have over 100 million americans experiencing chronic pain. >> reporter: he's the author of a scoring system used by doctors to distinguish painkiller addicts and the founder of this pain clinic in salt lake city. what is his reputation? >> his methods are incorporated into almost every single
educational program about per scribing and acre cemented by the fda. >> reporter: if you ask around, his reputation among former patients and families is different. >> his reputation is he's known as dr. death. >> reporter: known as dr. death? >> yeah. >> reporter: that's how your wife's doctor was described? >> dr. death. >> reporter: multiple overdose deaths at the pain clinic he rain for a decade hoover over him. >> he went unconscious. >> reporter: they are allegations of irresponsible prescribing patients and one patient, the cause of death. ray's life carol ann first went to the light tree pain clinic in 2008. years earlier her car was broadsided. >> she had not had the seat belt fastened and went through the wind shield. >> reporter: she managed her pain with low doses of painkillers.
>> she's still functioning and doing what she needs to do? >> yes. >> reporter: that changed when a friend suggested she go to the light tree clinic. >> carol ann was pretty much hooked. >> reporter: when you say hooked, you mean what? >> hooked on the pain medicine. she needed it. >> reporter: this is what carol ann was prescribed a year before her death, a painkiller and anxiety medication, between 100 and 120 pills a month. fast forward a year, she was prescribed seven different drugs, painkillers, anti anxiety, anti depresidents, about 600 pills a month. the same steep climb in medications allegedly was seen among other patients that died after getting chair at life tree. a 42-year-old prescribed about
200 pills a month when she first started at life tree. that's a little more than six pills a day. seven years later before she died of an overdose she was taking 1,158 pills per month. or about 40 each day. at the bosley home, a sad spectacle began unfolding. >> there were numerous times that we ended up in the emergency room for fear that she was going to die. >> reporter: bosley said he would regularly return home from work with carol ann unconscious and barely breathing. >> you took pictures of your wife essentially unconscious. >> correct. >> reporter: must have been hard to do. >> very hard. >> reporter: he says he tried to show the photos to dr. webster and other staff members and tried calling the clinic to vent concerns. he was shut down with staff siting patient privacy or hip pa. >> you weren't so much asking
for information as you wanted to provide it. >> i said i am not asking for information and i was given the hippa excuse and that was the end of it. >> reporter: what does dr. web store have to say? despite the best efforts, not much. he did however respond to lawsuits filed against him and his clinic and denied responsibility for the deaths. we called a spokesperson. we certainly want to give them an opportunity to comment and respond. but he declined our interview so we decided to go straight to him. dr. webster, sanjay gupta with cnn. i'm wearing a microphone and i wonder if i can ask you some questions. >> i have an appointment now. >> reporter: will you sit down and talk to us afterwards? >> i have an appointment. >> reporter: after the appointment will you sit down and talk with us. can i walk with you? >> no. >> reporter: will you answer a couple questions? >> no.
>> reporter: okay. we got a statement. dr. webster said the clinic treated difficult and complicated people with pain with the highest standard of care. he went on to call the death as tragedy of the worst kind for patients to die not from a result of treatment, but in spite of it. >> she was doing great. she was up to walking almost five miles a day. >> reporter: several months after starting at life tree, carol ann bosley kicked the medicine and went to rehab. >> she lost weight and managing pain on tylenol, only. >> reporter: soon afterward he says, carol ann got a call. >> she said dr. webster has requested that we come down, both of us come down and meet with him. >> reporter: to ray bosley's surprise, he said webster suggest carol ann get back on narcotic painkillers. >> my response to him is my wife is addicted.
>> reporter: about a year after that appointment, after taking his advice, carol ann bosley overdosed again, this time fatal. her story does not end there. weeks after her death, the medical examiner had ruled her death a suicide. >> i said why did you label it suicide? and he says well, i called dr. webster, he told me she committed suicide. why do you have to call dr. webster to get a diagnosis? shouldn't the diagnosis be based on the evidence in front of you? >> reporter: the utah medical examiner's office says webster didn't have influence over the stated cause of death, which makes what happened next more puzzling. >> maybe five weeks later, i get a revised autopsy report. cause of death, undetermined. >> reporter: when it came back undetermined, was there an explanation? they just changed it?
it's been four years since carol ann bosley died. her husband still wonders why his pleas for help and lee webster fell on deaf ears. >> do you blame dr. webster for your wife's death? >> i do. to this day i regret that i did not go down there and find him. i would have pinned him to the wall, and i would have made him listen, and then i would have warned him with his life. leave my wife alone. >> wow, sanjay, it's clear dr. webster didn't want to talk to you. is he saying anything about the allegations against him? >> the allegations from the lawsuit specifically, he's denying those and previously said he acknowledged there were some 20 deaths but says most of them were suicides. we read you part of the statement during the piece there, he had more of an official statement where he basically said the chronic pain
has become this urgent national crisis and a direct dialogue is not happening and goes on to say we need safer therapies overall and we should replace opioids. there are 600 pills a month, this particular woman got down to taking tylenol and you can see the extreme. >> how big of a problem is this really and what respoblsbilities do doctors have here? >> doctors, nurse practitioners, dentists. we talk about this a lot as you mentioned. 80% of the world's pain pills are taken in the united states. it's a startling number. we know that for most -- for about 1/3rd of patients they actually work sort of initially. for 2/3rds they may not work at all. after a few months it seems to lose effectiveness. what do patients do? take more and more, start to combine it with other drugs, including alcohol and that's often how these accidental deaths occur. again, 80% of the pain meds --
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to december 15th, could be accessed by hackers who have the capability of making a counter fit credit card with your information or worse, maybe a debit card. maybe they can go and access your atm, get money, debit card transactions harder to get your money back. >> crazy how this happened. this applies if you shopped in the store, not online. >> that's right. those readers when you check out that you run your card through and this is what they got, the payment information, the date, the cvv, the three or four digit code on the back, the expiration date, basically every single number that's important to your financial identity and your financial privacy was available. >> so what should you do if you're one of the people that shopped there? >> the first thing is do is check your credit card statements and debit card activity. every week or so, i'm saying every single day.
check every single day. look, target said when they admitted this happened they have resolved the issue and apologize for the inconvenience, but this was going on until monday. so it's not resolved for any people that don't know where their information is. we do know this these hacker chat rooms, there is already chatter and talk how to access this information. i think people should look very closely at their statements, and then call your bank and call target, all of the major banks are aware and they will be looking for fraudulent activity. you should be on the look out for your bank to contact you if they see something. >> do they know who did it? >> they don't know yet. the secret service is investigating. the treasury department handles these crimes. target, federal banks working together. they have a forensics team trying to figure out. we don't know who did it yet. we know it's very sophisticated. the magnetic strips are old technology, tapping into that and have a treasure trove of your information.
>> incredible. thanks very much. let's get caught up on other stories. susan hendrix has the 360 bulletin. >> president obama commuted the prison sentences of eight people convicted of cocaine offenses calling them hash sentences. one is the first cousin of massachusetts governor patrick. reynolds allen winter smith jr. was given a life sentence for possession and intent to distribute cocaine. the white house says his family ties did not impact that decision. two men are found guilty of murdering a british soldier on the streets of london. one of the attacker was caught on video carrying a meat cleaver in his bloody hands, it was soldiers killing muslims overseas. the victim was hacked to death near his military barracks. the attorney for the indian diplomat arrested in new york and strip searched is now speaking out. the attorney says the allegations are baseless and
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