tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN January 14, 2014 8:00am-9:01am PST
anywhere, from a trombone to a sword, to a violin bow to why not the hula hoop. in fact, it had already been famously done at the burning man festival in 2012 by a group calling itself hula fantastica. their venice beach video was the inspiration for the dallas cowboy cheerleaders. it was an uphill battle. >> they hadn't had a lot of experience. they couldn't get the cool twirls. >> reporter: like corbin perkins seemed to get the hang of it. he can be seen diving into the beach grass to get out of the shot while the cheerleaders twirl. nobody seemed to be complaining about the skill level. instead, there were comments like, that is one lucky hula hoop, i want to be that hula hoop. the next best thing to be the hula hoop handler. like being a fly on the wall of
the hula hoop. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts now. forget the nsa, wait until you hear this dea bombshell. stunning new evidence suggesting the government of the united states worked side by side with one of mexico's most powerful drug cartels for more than a decade. apparently, allowing that drug cartel to traffic in billions of dollars worth of drulgs drugs i exchange for info on rival drug lords. a father sending a text in the movie theater while the previews were rolling. that sending another movie-goer over the edge. shocking story behind a
senseless shooting in florida. her husband says she is brain dead and he is fighting to have her removed from life support. what about their unborn baby. what the law in texas and many other states says may just surprise you. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. it is tuesday, january 14th. welcome to "legal view." let's begin here. a deadly movie theater shooting in florida. a father shot dead amid the seats in the middle of the afternoon. his wife, wounded in the shooting as well. the suspect really not someone you would imagine. the alleged motive, simply incomprehensible. rosa flores said, what led to the fatal fight through the people that sat nearby and witnessed it for themselves. a little girl not even three-years old has just lost her dad, because according to police, and witnesses, a man shot and killed him monday
afternoon all because he was texting at the cob 16 movie theater in wesley chapel florida. the movie was "lone survivor." it hadn't started. >> it was a 1:20 starting. we know they were probably going through the previews. it is absolutely crazy that it would rise to this level of altercation over somebody just texting at a movie theater. >> reporter: 43-year-old chad oulson was on a date with his wife, nicole. he was texting their daughter's daycare to check in on her. that's when witnesses say 71-year-old curtis reeves, a retired tampa police captain, seen here dressed in white, became quite irritated. >> their voices started going up. there seemed to be almost a confrontation and, bang, he was shot. >> reporter: charles cummings, a retired marine that served in vietnam, said it was absolutely shocking to be caught in the cross fire. >> he staggered two seats over, fell on my son and i. >> reporter: the four and son say she watched in horror as
reeves shot oulson in the chest with a 38-caliber handgun killing him. his wife was shot in the hand as witnesses say she tried to shield her husband. after he was shot, mr. oulson staggered and fell on another man and his son. >> he said, i can't believe i got shot. blood started coming out of his mouth. i was trying to hold him up. he just fell down. >> reporter: amidst of the chaos, other moviegoers tried to help. >> the fellow in the movie said he was a nurse, jumped down, started pumping the gentleman's chest until the paramedics arrived. >> reporter: off-duty deputy who just happened to be in the theater detained the suspect and secured the gun until the police arrived. >> i can't believe people would bring a pistol, a gun to a movie. i can't believe they would argue and fight and shoot one another over popcorn or a cell phone. >> reporter: reeves is now charged with second-degree murder. >> rosa flores joins me now
live. so second-degree murder. this is extraordinarily serious. what's happening today for this suspect? >> we know the suspect's first court appearance is today at 1:00. we've also learned that his autopsy is also scheduled for this morning. i have to add something from the arrest affidavit. i have got it in front of me. i know you are going to be interested in this. this is information from that affidavit that the suspect gave to the police. he says that he was in fear of being attacked. we are talking about florida. i thought it would be important for me to point that out to you. >> that sounds like a defense in the making without question. at this point, that appearance today. other than that, no more witnesses have come forward to say anything that we've heard so far, right? anything other than what we've heard? >> the only thing we have, it was in the piece, but it is good to mention, is the information about how this altercation even
started. because, yes, there were text messages. this affidavit just going into a little more detail. it talks about the altercation escalating and then having a conversation and then having a confrontation about these text messages and then the defendant in this case walks out. he comes back. they have this altercation again. according to the affidavit, a bag of popcorn was thrown and he pulls out his gun. this is from witnesses that were inside the theater. >> rosa flores, thank you for that. the very odd thing as well, it seemed as though, from all accounts, the suspect in this case, has been talked about as a really stand-up guy. a retired captain with the tap pa police department from back in 1993.
later, he was the director of security in 2005. this is not the story you expect to hear, mike. he used to be a d.c. police detective and a member of the f.b.i. joint terror task force. does any of that play into this either for him or against him. >> i think it would go against him, because he knows, ashleigh, what deadly force means and what has to be done to use you. >> he did say he was in fear of being attacked. he said that the victim struck him in the face with an unknown object. we know now apparently it apparent witness accounts that it was popcorn that the victim threw in his face. ashleigh, that doesn't put him in fear of death or serious bodily harm, having popcorn thrown at you. >> i have to say, that's just one or a couple of the witness accounts. there may be other things.
that's why i was asking rosa about what else have we heard. there could be other accounts that haven't been made public yet. this is a dark theater. that's part of the problem of establishing exactly the fear someone would have had. do you see anything that could account to i astand your ground defense. >> nothing on stand your ground. he will be in court at 1:00 this morning. his son, ashleigh, is also a patrol officer in the tampa police department. so distressing on all sides of this. >> mike brooks, thank you for your insight. we appreciate it. talk about a deal with the devil. legal documents are suggesting that the united states drug enforcement attachment cut a deal with one of mexico's most notorious drug cartels and get this. the deal allegedly let that cartel smuggle billions of
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police officers make deals with crooks every day. usually, it is for leads or evidence on other crooks but you may never have heard of a deal like the one i'm about to tell you about. some newly uncovered u.s. court documents claim that the drug enforcement administration, the dea, made a deal with the biggest and baddest drug cartel in mexico, a cartel that's responsible for billions of dollars in illegal drugs that flood into this country every year, a deal to look the other way in exchange for information on rival drug cartels, other drug cartels. the competition, so to speak. cnn's rafael romo joins me with much more on a bombshell that's first reported in a newspaper
called el universal. for starters, really? secondly, how did this happen? how did this whole thing come about and how did it come to light. >> ashleigh, as they say, the devil is in the details. we have to tell our viewers where the information comes from. as you mentioned, it was published by un universal, a very credible newspaper. they had some copies of a deposition in a case out of chicago in which a drug lord, a drug cartel, a very powerful mexican drug trafficking organization, he was being tried there in chicago. i have a copy of it right in front of me. the claims result from a defense attorney stating that in court so the question is, how much validity do they have? it is just a matter of opinion. let me give you an idea of what this defense attorney on behalf of the accused drug trafficker
said. he said, mr. loya-castro stated that agents told him that, in exchange for information about rival drug trafficking organizations, the united states government agreed, listen to this, ashleigh, to dismiss the prosecution of the pending case against him not to interfere with his drug trafficking activities and those of the sinaloa cartel to not actively prosecute him and the leadership of the cartel and not to apprehend him. they stated this arrangement had been approved by high-ranking officials and prosecutors. we reached out. they said they had no comments. some of the agents that the report mentioned are not even working with the dea anymore. >> they had to know this was coming. this was officially in an affidavit, a dea agent and a just s justice official being
interviewed. was there a payoff? did it do anything. if our people were looking the other way, while floods of drugs were coming into this country, what was the up-side? >> well, the up side was really, it has very difficult to talk about that. let me tell you what happened, for example, between 2006 and 2012. it was an explosion of violence in mexico with tens of thousands of people. some people are saying as many as 60,000 people dead in clashes between drug cartels, the military and rival organizations in mexico. if the idea was to help violence decrease, it certainly didn't work. what i can tell you, though, is that a lot of drug leaders. top in the mexican drug cartel were arrested in that peer, at many as 25 out of a list of 37, which arguably, you can say is a victory for the law enforcement organizations, both in mexico
and the united states. the reality is that experts will tell you this. drugs continue to flow from mexico to the united states. weapons continue to go south of the border and the status quo when it comes to this kind of crime remains pretty much unchanged, ashleigh. >> well, i'll tell you what, just looking at some of the stats on santa llo, this cartel it supplies about 80% of the drugs entering chicago. they are better with a really good payoff. chicago has been under siege with respect to the crime. >> that's a very good point, ashleigh. the leader of the cartel, uzman, was named by forbes magazines as one of the top billionaires to give you an idea of how powerful they are. >> stay on it. rafael romo reporting for us live. a pregnant woman kept on life support against her family's wishes.
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a texas man is facing perhaps the most difficult decision that any man could make in asking doctors to take his wife, who is apparently brain dead off of life support. making it worse is the fact she is pregnant. the hospital is refusing to pull the plug saying it is not allowed, citing texas law that requires that life support continue in order to save a fetus. >> reporter: this week, the family of marlise munoz is expected to take legal action against the texas hospital that refuses to unplug her from a ventilator. she is pregnant and collapsed after suffering a blood clot in her lungs.
texas law requires that she be kept on life support in hopes of saving the unborn baby. >> we were told she was brain dead november 26th. >> reporter: her family says she never wanted to be kept on life support. it is a conversation her husband says they had often. they are both paramedics an the parents of a 15-month-old boy. >> we have seen things out in the field. we both knew that we didn't want to be on life support. >> reporter: the munoz story has sparked a debate over laws that override a woman's right to be disconnected from life support if she is pregnant. about 30 states have these laws on the books. if she is, indeed, brain dead, like her family says, even the people that help write the texas law say, her husband's wishes to disconnect should be followed. >> if she is brain dead, she is already dead. so letting her die really isn't the concept but can he say take her off the ventilator? i believe he can. >> reporter: attorneys for erick
munoz tell cnn legal action is expected this week. they are encouraged by this development, because the courts are the appropriate venue to provide clarity, direction and resolution in this matter. marlise munoz is now about 21 weeks pregnant. it is hard to know if the fetus can survive. >> the same as saying things will be well. you can have important effects from situations like this that aren't manifest as things that can be seen on ultrasound or mri. >> reporter: marlise munoz body remains inside this hospital while the debate over what should happen to her rages outside. ed laugh endara and lisa blooms. there is so much at stake in this case. there are so many critical details in this case. lisa, let me start with you.
as i was looking through the laws in texas, what stood out to me was the fact that a person may not withdraw or withhold life-sustaining treatment. but life-sustaining treatment would suggest there is life. the doctors, according to the family, have declared this woman dead, brain dead. so how does that square? >> well, you're really putting your finger on the gray area in the law. similarly, texas law provides that a pregnant patient must be kept on life support if she is brain dead, she is legally dead. she is not a patient. she is a corpse. i'm sorry to use these very harsh terms but that's the way the law would look at her. the bottom line is that roe v. wade is still the law of the land. women have the right to constitutionally determine what happens with their bodies. if she is not able to make that decision, her family, husband can make that decision for her. she was 14 weeks gestation when this matter arose.
it was his right to make the decision, not the right of the state of texas to intervene and interfere with that family's decision. >> so, danny, if that all makes perfect sense until you hear texas law also recognizes the personhood of a fetus from the point of fertilization, in the case of homicide and assault. if you try to wedge that issue into this, could life-sustaining equipment also extend to this personhood fetus. meaning it is not just life-sustaining of the mother. it is the life-sustaining of this recognized person in other circumstances. does that make sense? >> constitutionally, yeah, you've got it. that's what the state is trying to do. trying to assert its interest in protecting its citizens. what is a citizen has always been a subject of constitutional debate. the problem is, statutes like texas and many other states present two very real constitutional problems. as lisa said, after roe and planned parenthood, they stand
for the idea a woman has a constitutional right to an abortion certainly prior to viability, the ability of the baby to live outside the womb. a separate right recognized by a case called kruzan, which says we all have the right to refuse unwanted medical treatment. since we are able to create advanced directives which are living wi living wills, saying what he we want done with ourselves if we are unable to make decisions. they seem to be flouting established supreme court law from both cases and the progeny. >> advanced directives usually mean something you write down, sign, seal and have an attorney present. what about this notion that the dad says, we talked about this. my wife didn't want to be on life support. how much of an advanced directive is it to just say, i had a chat.
>> probably not enough legally. everybody should have an advanced directive. the texas statute makes no exception even if before she became incompetent had written out her wishes, the state of texas under this law would not have recognized it. the state of texas has decided it is going to come in and make this decision for pregnant women and for their families. that's what's causing this uproar. >> she is now 21 weeks. the clock keeps ticking. it is very distressing. a decision that needs to be made very, very quickly. more to come in a moment. a tense situation at a convenience store. a man holding a woman hostage decides to turn her into a human shield just as the police move in. we are going to show you what happened next. also, the new jersey governor, chris christie, is getting ready to hit the mikes again. likely, that bridge incident is going to be mentioned in a state of the state. imagine. we are going to dig deeper in a
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a little bit of news we are following here. a suspect is apparently being held after a shooting at berrendo middle school in new mexico. we know the suspect is being held after the shooting. it is very unclear as to exactly what motive might have inspired this. there was a facebook page that was part of this investigation, the rosswell police department's facebook page indicating they were able to get some information out there. two children taken to the hospital. we're going to continue to watch this story. troubling, nonetheless, to see the two children taken to the hospital. i want to get you to one of the big stories. chris christie's sos. when you think it is an sos in the conventional way, it is not. it is a state of the state that will probably get more attention outside the state, new jersey, than ever before.
chris christie is making a lot of national news. he is facing two investigation. some sandy relief money that was used is under the gun right now. the new jersey governor is speaking to lawmakers at 3:00 eastern. it is about 3 1/2 hours from now. our wolf blitzer is keeping an eye on things. he joins me from d.c. with the preview. i always wonder whether that's the best idea, specially in a circumstance where you are so formal in a state of the state to yet again address this controversy over bridgegate head on in front of lawmakers and a national audience or move on. i assume he is not making this decision alone. >> i am sure he has his advisers, although some of them are gone. he got rid of them after the scandal really exploded. i am sure he is consulting with people he trusts, presumably,
his wife and others. there are pros and cons. if you have a paragraph in there, even if it is only 30 seconds or a minute, reiterating what he said at the beginning of his news conference, apologizing, saying he had no knowledge, was blindsided. he took immediate action. that is going to get most of the attention. he has issues involving schools and education and other issues. that will certainly be the lead of whatever he says about the george washington bridge traffic jam scandal. if he doesn't say anything, it looks like he is running away and hiding. there are pros and cons. i suspect he will say something. it will be brief and he will move on to some of the more substantive issues he wants to address. >> let me ask you this. as we look at these two investigations that have been launched over the hurricane sandy relief money and the tourism ads and the traffic closures on the bridge, something else is starting to
bubble as well. it is not an investigation. it is a concern being raised by the new jersey city mayor who says that when he didn't endorse chris christie for governor, miraculously, sort of, all at the same time, almost all on the same day, official meetings started dropping like flies, cancellations started coming in one after the other almost within the same hour from state officials. there are even e-mails that he wrote at the time saying, what's going on here? this better not be connected to me sort of refusing to give the endorsement. let me know if we can help set up any meetings for you in trenton as you enter transition. it was from the christie campaign manager. within the past hour, i have received phone calls from four stop state officials, they reported scheduling conflicts and offered no alternative dates. that sounds fishy. is the mayor going to have to address that head-on. >> here is the problem that the
governor has. was the traffic jam incident isolated or other acts of political vendetta that are going to be documented. other cities, hoboken, elsewhere, they are looking into stuff that happened after a democratic candidate didn't endorse christie or whatever. people want to see, is this just isolated? is it part of a pattern? was it this political vindictiveness. maybe there is nothing wrong with that. maybe that's the way politics are done not only in new jersey but a whole bunch of other states that we shouldn't be shocked, shocked, shocked when we hear that. a lot of these kind of investigations, a lot more stories in the coming days and weeks that are going to emerge. >> wolf blitzer, thank you for that. be sure to watch wolf at 1:00 eastern in "the situation room" also at 5:00. wolf always has a great take on that. a good day to be watching wolf as chris christie takes to the
microphone again for the state of the state. i want to bring in columnist and progressive activist, sally kohn and come um nist and political commentator, will cain. i was reading something you wrote earlier, sally. you are suggesting that at the very worst, chris christie is like a bully who ordered and fired his staff to punish political opponents. if that's not the case, he seems like a passive leader that doesn't have a handle on the top staff. i think critics of yours would say you are delighting and licking your chops at a time when none of this is proven. this is a media darling for press good and bad. is that fair? >> i don't know about the chop-licking part. >> it was the folks on the right who for a long time have been
out to get christie. they are the ones that are really delighting in this. look, of course, anyone who is a democrat, a progressive, anyone that looked at christie as a serious threat or contender or one of them for 2016 presidential race is going to look at this and say, you know, okay, yes, it is convenient, right? of course. that's obviously some of why it is getting air time. i do think there is some genuine concern here, right? just like when we hear about any political official, left or right, democrat or republican. those invested in seeing government work, in seeing government do the good of the people and be free from corruption, abuse, bullies, political retribution, are authentically and rightly concerned that something might not be right here. >> so, will? >> yes. >> the reality is that there are three big questions that are now rearing their ugly heads at the
new jersey governor. whether they are resolved or not, maybe it is just optics. maybe it is the intense headlines. he is taking a hit in the polls. his approval ratings, personally and professionally are down. does that matter? can he recover? is he the master at recovering? how much does he need? >> his numbers are down in new jersey. the numbers suggest across the nation, his perception and poll numbers across the nation haven't largely changed. maybe a little bit. the questions become, the folks in trenton and christie may be shaking in their boots that they lost sally kohn's support that she thinks it is a big deal. how representative is that of the independent voters. there is a should and a will question. should it affect his numbers and will it? let's just address will. i'm suggesting to you it is not going to manufacture to much of a deal here. it suggests that chris christie is a hard-ball politician. these scandals make him look
like every other politician. straight talking, honest, anti-politician. he has painted a picture of himself as. it turns out he potentially could be another guy like every other politician in this country. that's the risk. do independents care about that. >> go ahead. >> i just have to cut it off there. you know what, sally. you, as i've heard from a little bird, are going to be co-hosting cross fire tonight at 6:30. did i hear right? >> it's true. looking forward to it. >> you get to say even more, then. >> good luck, sally. >> thanks, will. >> check out sally this evening, she is guest hosting cross fire tonight on cnn. another story on the agenda today, a texas family wants some answers after a man dies under some very mysterious circumstances. they say investigators may not be telling us the entire truth. it all comes from a town that made some massive, massive ugly headlines over a decade ago. mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971.
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at a middle school in roswell, new jersey. the state officials are saying there is no longer any threat. they do have someone under arrest, someone apprehended. that went out via the roswell police department's facebook. they also have buses taking the children. this is apparently a school including grades 6 through 8. they are taking those kids away from the school via bus now. they are giving information locally to parents who may need to find out how to connect with their children. they are sending that out via facebook as well. but, again, the threat is alleviated. there were two kids who were transported to a medical center in ross well. we don't know what the condition of those kids are at this time. a family is demanding some
answers. they want to know about a mysterious death of a husband and dad in texas. his name is alfred right. he was found dead with severe trauma to the head and neck. why did they get information from officials that said he died of a drug overdose. severe trauma to the head and neck officially a drug overdose. deb feyerick has this exclusive report. some of the images may be disturbing. >> reporter: the sun was just going down when alfred wright pulled into this liquor store on a long, quiet stretch in east texas. the 28-year-old physical therapist was on his way to see a patient when his unreliable pickup truck broke down again. his wife, lauren, who was home with their two young sons, immediately sent for his parents to get him. >> the last time i called him, i just heard heavy breathing. he was not responding to
anything i was saying. >> reporter: his parents were still 20 minutes away. lauren was growing frantic sending text after text. at 5:57, trying to get to you. answer the phone, answer the phone, please answer. at 6:16, i said, please answer and that was after i had already heard him in distress of some sort. >> reporter: when his parents got to the store, they saw alfred's truck but no sign of alfred. only the clerk behind the counter. >> i went and asked her had she saw a clean-cut young black guy in scrubs. she told me, yes, i saw him out on his cell phone by his truck. all of the sudden, he put his cell phone in his sock and took off running like the truck was going to blow up. >> reporter: the clerk did not want to be interviewed by cnn but told us he left of his own free will. a phrase she repeated several times. >> reporter: did he have anything to be afraid of? >> no. >> reporter: did he have in he enemies? >> not that i know of.
>> reporter: alfred wright grew up in jasper and played college football. a musical family. his dad is a pastor and middle school gym teacher. his mom raised five children, including the youngest, sa strchsavon, who tried out for "american idol." his family said, alfred always seemed happy. >> alfred was a man of great faith. he loved his family, very ambitious, very driven and hard working. his work ethic was phenomenal, fun loving and brilliant. >> so why would he walk specially alone in the texas woods when he knew help was on the way. this part of the county is about a 45-minute drive it from jasper, the town where more than 15 years ago, james burg jr. was chained to a pickup truck and dragged to his death by three
white men. people who live in this area, black and white, say racial tension is always just beneath the surface and that things aren't always as they appear, which is why when alfred's watch and items of clothing turned up on a ranch near the liquor store where he was last seen, his family raced there to try to find him. his wife was the first to spot a piece of blue cloth, the same color as the medical scrubs alfred was wearing the last time she saw him. >> it was a perfectly r rectangular piece of fabric hanging from the barbed wire fence hanging perfectly. >> reporter: did it look like it had been ripped off? >> no. >> reporter: for more than three days, they searched the area. the sheriff's department told them, specially trained dogs lost his scent near a creek. >> if his body is there, it is
unimaginable to me that dogs would not have found his body. >> tom maddox, a sheriff in the county was on scene during the search. >> he showed me the circumference of the area. he showed me this whole circular piece here had been searched. he told me numerous times if he was in the area, that he would -- they would find him. the sheriff's daughter and alfred wright were friendly and knew each other in their health care jobs. they told the family. >> your son is just a missing person. my guys are tired. we have exhausted our resources and funds. we are done. >> reporter: done with the search and done with any investigation. the writes say the sheriff concluded there was no foul play, even taking it a step further. >> reporter: the sheriff offered an explanation this was probably
drug-related, he was probably having some hallucination that caused him to rip off his clothes. so there was no foul play. does that sound like your husband? >> not at all. after they had found the clothing and his watch, his i.d., they told me there was still no evidence of foul play. >> did you believe that? >> no, i don't. >> reporter: alfred wright had been missing for 19 days and with many questions and few answers, thanksgiving week, dozens of volunteers did their own search in the cold and rain. >> when pastor luther gave the holler, everybody, come to me, come to me. i knew the sound in his voice that it was not good. it was not good. i remember asking him, is it a body? and someone say yes. >> reporter: in an area of the ranch supposedly already searched by deputies was the body of alfred wright found nearly three weeks after his
truck broke down. >> when i first found him, when we found him, i walked up on him and that experience spoke out to me. he said, daddy, i knew you were going to find me. >> his head was in this area. his feet was back here. he was neatly laid. he was neatly laid. >> reporter: wearing only boxer shorts, his shoes and a single sock with his cell phone tucked inside, it wasn't just position but the condition of the body that also seemed strange. >> this is the first thing i noticed, how smooth his forearms and his back were, just as smooth. no scratches at all. >> reporter: he was is mimissin ear, two front teeth and his throat appeared cut. in an echo of the sheriff's position, the coroner's report described his body filled with drugs and ruled it an overdose.
the family had never seen him take drugs. they don't believe the report and they don't believe that drugs explained the condition of his body. >> reporter: knowing that the >> it leads me to believe that there is a crime scene somewhere. and that timing is of the utmost importance. every single day that goes by, evidence is lost or destroyed. >> reporter: based on what you know, what do you think happened to alfred wright? >> i think he was murdered. i really don't have a doubt. my question now, just like the family's, who did it. ♪ >> tonight, deb feyerick has the second part of this exclusive report, including what that autopsy report showed, and that's coming up on "ac 360" at 8:00 p.m. eastern tonight. i have low testosterone. there, i said it.
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two california police officers accused of beating a schizophrenic homeless man to death have begun acquitted on all of the charges they were facing in court. former fullerton officers ramos and cicinelli heard the verdicts yesterday not guilty on charges of second degree murder, involuntary plan slaughter and excessive use of force. and right there you see the reaction. this is the victim in the case, 37-year-old kelly thomas, who
died several days after the incident, which happened back in july of 2011. the story sparked a massive outcry after this surveillance video was released, showing kelly thomas being beaten and tased by those police officers. all while he was crying out for his father. the officers argue that thomas had been resisting and was fighting back. but his family says that the officers got away with murder. >> part of me died that night with kelly. part of me died that night. part of me died in court. >> i can finally start a little bit of closure. it's not what i wanted. but i haven't even grieved for my son, i have been so on one track only. and it's time i do all of that. >> according to the "los angeles times," the fbi is now saying that it is going to review all of this evidence to see if any kind of further investigation may be necessary now that that court case stayedside in california is done. and i am joined by our legal
analyst, danny cevali and lisa bloom. so lisa, let me begin with you. the fbi is getting involved. what might be up their sleeve? >> maybe some civil rights charges. it reminds me very much of the george zimmerman case, where there is an acquittal, a lot of people dissatisfied so we ask the fbi and feds to look into it. the reality is, i think it's unlikely there will be federal charges. it's hard to get convictions against police officers. we see that in case after case. even what is a horrific video like there is here, even when the person beaten to death is unarmed and guilty of no crime, as is the case here. it's just very difficult to get criminal charges to stick against police officers. >> and danny, why is that? could you explain to me what objectively reasonable means when it comes to people who are resisting arrest and the kind of force that's needed for officers? especially when it comes to what the jury is told? >> okay. so first, the constitution and the fourth amendment does not
require that police officers use the least intrusive method of force in effectuating an arrest. so there is no requirement. secondly, consider this. the california jury instructions on excessive force. this is what the judge would have told the jury before they deliberated. and it's that an officer need not retreat or desist in the face of resistance. now, think about that. that's the law. and we may disagree on whether that's fair or not. but courts have made it clear, they will look at the police officers' decision at the time based on the facts that he was confronted with. they recognize that police officers have to make split-second decisions. so courts will not engage in monday morning quarterbacking. rather they'll look at what was available to the officer at the time. but it's important to remember, that jury was likely told by the judge that an officer need not retreat, he need not desist when a suspect is resisting arrest. >> well, and even though there was all that elation in the
courtroom, we saw those pictures, it may not be over, if the fbi indeed decides to come down with what lisa outlined, those civil rights violations they might be looking at. lisa, good to see you as always, and danny, you too. you both take care and thanks for your work today. and we are flat out of time. make sure you stay tuned because "around the world" start right after this quick break. ♪ driving rock music music stops ♪ music resumes ♪ music stops ♪ music resumes ♪ ♪ [announcer] if your dog can dream it, [whistle] purina pro plan can help him achieve it. nutrition that performs. and better is so easy withrning you cabenefiber.o something better for yourself. fiber that's taste-free, grit-free and dissolves completely. so you can feel free to add it to anything.
an american journalist is booted out of russia, a reminder of the cold war tensions of the past. was it a visa problem, or because he was critical of president vladimir putin? we're going to hear from that journalist, up next. and new jersey governor chris christie's state of the state speech isn't usually followed so closely. but today the eyes of the nation are fixed on the likely presidential hopeful after his administration's bridge scandal. and french president, francois hollande faces reporters for the first time since he claims he had an affair or claims he had an affair with a french actress. we're going to tell you what he said from paris. welcome to "around the world," i'm suzanne mal crowe malveaux. another school shooting in the united states. unbelievable when you think this could happen again. it has. this time at a middle school in roswe roswell, new mexico. two children taken to