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this is "piers morgan live." i want to start tonight with a number, 2456789 that's the number of people who are shot on an average day in america. here's another number for you. 12. that is the age of the youngest shooter this year and the youngest probably for many years in america, a 12-year-old new mexico boy too young to remember 9/11, too young to go to a pg-rated movie by the himself, too young to get a learner's permit. police say he pulled a shotgun from a musical instrument case and wounded -- 71 the age of a retired police captain in florida who police say shot and killed a father who was allegedly texting his young daughter's babysitter during a movie and may have threatened him with popcorn. our big story, the youngest
school shooter so far this year, 12-year-old boy walked into his middle school gym in roswell, new mexico this morning and opened fire on students, wounding two of them. 11-year-old boy is in critical condition tonight, a 13-year-old girl is in serious condition according to a hospital spokesman. joining me now is cnn's miguel marquez. miguel, a 12-year-old boy calmly takes a shotgun to school and opens fire on classmates in the gym. do we have any idea yet about motive? >> reporter: we don't. clearly this was a student at the school. this is somebody who could have had a bullying incident with one of the boys, the boy that was shot. it could have been a loathing for someone so young. but the idea that this would have to be settled with a shotgun, it's sickening. >> we also in terms of his age it's very hard to remember a boy or a girl for that matter this young. i know there have been very young shooters in the past in america.
but for 12 years old, it really does take this gun epidemic to a whole new level, doesn't it? >> reporter: it doesn't even seem possible. this is a middle school. back in '98 there was an incident where a 11-year-old shot and killed along with an accomplice shot and killed five people and injured ten others in jonesboro, arkansas. but not for a long time have we seen somebody so young plan this out where he goes into the school with the gun in a bag, takes it out and starts shooting at random or shooting -- we're not clear if it's shooting at random. it's shooting at students in the gym as they were gathered on a cold morning, winter morning in new mexico. just shocking. >> absolutely shocking. miguel marquez, thank you very much indeed. joining me now, a 13-year-old witness to this morning's shooting. monique saucedo is a student of the school. she was in the gym when the shooting started this morning. she joins me on the phone. welcome to you. can you tell me exactly what you saw or heard today?
>> reporter: yes. he was walking and he was right behind me. i turned around and he had this case. and we all went in the gym. and then later on, we were all talking and then we heard gun shots. and then the second he shot, i turned around and nathaniel got hit in the face. >> and nathaniel is a boy of 11 years old. he's in critical condition tonight. do you know who the girl was who was 13 who was wounded? >> yes. kendall. >> and are these friends of yours or people you just know at the school? >> they're friends of mine. >> so you saw the shooter. we're not going to name him at the moment. so don't use his name. but do you know the boy who used the shotgun? >> yes, sir. >> and did you have any indication when you saw him arriving with his bag that he
had anything wrong with him? that he was angry or agitated? >> i don't know about that. >> did you actually see any of the shooting, or did you just hear the shots go off? >> no. i seen the shootings. >> so you saw this boy shooting your two friends. >> yes. >> what did that feel like to you? it must have been terrifying. >> i was in shock when i seen it. >> i want to emphasize at this stage that we asked your mother for the permission to talk to us. and she gave us that permission. obviously very difficult to interview any young people in this kind of situation. but tell me, monique, after you saw the shooting happened, who actually stopped this boy from shooting more of the students? >> one of the staff went running and told him to put the gun down. and he had his hands up in the
air. and so after all that happened, they all sent the kids in the room and they had a lock down. >> monique, were you aware that this boy who did the shooting had any problems or was being bullied? there are rumors he may have been bullied. do you know anything about that? >> well, i didn't know he was being bullied. >> i'm sorry, monique. i didn't hear you there. >> he was being bullied. that's what i know. >> you said that he was being bullied. >> yes. >> and once he'd been stopped, from shooting anybody else, what then happened? >> after all that happened, they all sent the kids and the teachers were running to nathaniel. and then all the kids were sent to their classrooms.
>> a very scary day for all of you at the school. how long were you kept in lock down? >> i'm going to have to say for like two hours? >> what do you feel about this, monique? you're only 13 yourself. you go to school. you never imagine this sort of thing happening at your school. what do you feel about what happened to your school today? >> i wasn't really scared of what happened. but i don't want to go to brendle anymore because of what happened. i'm afraid that it's going to happen again. >> like i said, you understand. monique salcido,thanks for joining me. a shooting in a movie theater in wesley chapel, florida. a father who was allegedly texting his young daughter's babysitter is dead and a 71-year-old man charged with
second degree murder. joining me now is sheriff chris knocker. sheriff, thank you for joining me. another quite extraordinary and dreadful incident to have happened. what do we know about the facts here? >> basic will i what we know is approximately 1:30 yesterday afternoon there were people watching the previews of a movie. during that time, there was two people sitting in there. one was the suspect person we have in custody who's been arrested, then the victim. the victim was using -- texting on his phone. that caused the suspect to get very upset. he goes out, tries to talk to a manager. the conversation never really took place. he went back into the theater upset. the confrontation between the suspect and the victim was very heated. it was verbal the whole time. at one point the suspect draws a weapon, shoots the victim and kills him there in the theater. >> the suspect is curtis reeves, 71, his victim was chad olson. it would appear from the reports that i've read that the victim
was actually texting his daughter's daycare, babysitter, is that correct? >> that's part of the investigation. our detectives are working on it. but we can say he was texting someone. but we can't tell you right now who he was texting. >> and we also understand that mr. reeves who is the man who's been charged with this offense is apparently claiming that he feared for his safety because the victim threw popcorn at him. can you confirm that? >> there's many things that are going out there. rumors. but i can tell you he's been charged with second degree murder. with work with our state attorney's office, assistant state attorney, manny garcia. he has been charged. the one thing that comes up was this a stand your ground case. we wanted to make sure our detectives wanted to make sure that when he is brought to trial that he is convicted and justice is served. from our investigation, we're working with the state attorney's office, it was not a stand your ground case.
>> in terms of these two shootings, we said at the start of the the show, 245 people in america are hit by gun fire every day, of which at least 80, 90 lose their lives. the school shooting i just talked about is the 30th school shooting in america since newtown. a quite extraordinary statistic. as a sheriff on the ground trying to deal with this gun violence epidemic, what do you make of it? >> people commit violent crimes. whether it be a knife or a gun, the issue is that somebody decides to take somebody's life. and you know what? a gun didn't kill him. it was the trigger of the person that was arrested that pulled the gun and killed that person. so i could tell you from a law enforcement perspective, we're dealing with somebody who committed a homicide. the bigger issues we deal with are mental health and substance abuse. if we could deal with the mental health issues and substance abuse, we'll be much safer as a country. >> you don't feel as a sheriff
on the ground there should be any changes to the existing gun laws? >> no. as i go back, this is about -- we have mental health issues and substance abuse. the gun itself did not kill the victim here. it was the person who had the gun in his hands. so i keep going back to the fact that you want to talk about gun control issues from. a law enforcement perspective, we deal with mental health issues and substance abuse issues. it was violence. it was violence that killed the victim yesterday. so i keep reiterating, it's mental health issues that we deal with in this country. that is paramount compared to gun control. >> i mean, listen, i don't disagree with you that mental health is clearly a part of this. but do i take issue with the fact that many people in law enforcement that i talk to do try and persist in saying it's never the gun. when clearly there are many countries around the world that have strict gun control where you simply wouldn't have somebody armed with a gun in a movie theater. it would be strictly illegal. and people wouldn't have the
access to firearms. surely it would make your job as a law enforcement officer easier if less people who perhaps were susceptible to mental health issues and other issues like that did not have such ready availability of guns. >> anytime there's a homicide, where a gun was involved you can say gun control is the issue. however, from our standpoint we can tell you there's also times where people are in their houses, somebody breaking in, and to protect their family their gun is what saved them and their family. so i can argue just the opposite way that guns do protect americans. >> 245 americans or people in america are hit on average every day by gun fire. do you think that that is the same kind of number of people who protect themselves by using guns to save their families every day? >> well, you want to talk about statistics we can talk about how many people are killed because of duis, driving under the influence.
it could be one of those things. criminals have guns. if you want to ban guns from good people, criminals are still going to get them. they're going to smuggle them through into this country and still going to have them. you can create laws that will ban guns, bad people are still going to get them. you can create laws that are going to ban drugs. bad people still get them. so i think we have to talk about the bigger issues why are people committing these crimes i go back to the fact of mental health and substance abuse issues needs to be talked about and addressed. >> okay. sheriff knocker, thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> thank you. >> so what makes a 71-year-old open fire in a movie theater or a 12-year-old boy fire a gun at his classmates? is it a mental health issues parenting or gun control problems? joining me now is lisa bloom, best-selling author of "swagger, ten rules for raising boys in the age of -- thug culture. >> i listen to that sheriff with
a great sense of dismay, not of the courage that he brings every day to his work but because he espoused a view there which is so prevalent in america right now, that the gun is not the problem. when it seems to me if you have a 300 million guns in circulation, of course it's the problem. of course the ready availability of a deadly welcome to people who shouldn't be having them and they misuse them is a massive part of this problem. but am i a lone voice of insanity in this debate? >> no. and i agree with you whole-heartedly. look, it's not an either/or situation. we need to address mental health issues. we need to address substance abuse. and we need to address guns. let me give you another number. 20. americans are 20 times as likely to die from gun violence as citizens of other civilized countries. why? because other civilized countries rein in guns. every country has mentally ill people, usually men who are the gunmen. every country has problems with substance abuse.
every country has 12-year-old boys who are angry and who want to take a gun to school. the difference between america and every other civilized country is, we allow our children to be armed. we allow 30 school shootings a year. and i would say that it is our responsibility as parents and as adults to protect children. that's our first responsibility. in a country that fails to protect its own children by reining in guns has lost the right, frankly, to call itself civilized. we know what works in every other civilized country. we just refuse to do it here. >> right. my issue also is with organizations like the nra that are financed by the gun manufacturers, their reaction to the school shooting will be, well, only the good guys, presumably the other 13-year-old kids in the school had had guns then this 12-year-old shooter wouldn't be able to do what he had did, which is clearly a ridiculous argument and ridiculous logic. they also have argued after the aurora movie theater massacre that people who go to movies should also be free to be armed.
this man, the 71-year-old retired policeman took their advice and took his gun into that movie theater. when somebody was texting or threatening him with a bag of popcorn, he shot him with it. this is my problem with the arguments that come back from organizations that have a vested commercial interest in the sale of guns. >> if only they were correct, piers. we have the data to show that that is just factually wrong. americans have more guns per capita than any other country in the world. not civilized country, any country in the world. we have almost one gun for every man, woman and child in america. if more guns kept us safer we would be the safest country in the world. and it's exactly the opposite. we have more gun deaths by far than any other civilized country. so we know that it's just not correct. we wish it was true that more guns would keep us safer, but in fact it's simply untrue as a matter of fact. >> lisa bloom, thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> thank you. coming up is this a case of bieber gone bad? why sheriff's deputies searched
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absolutely shocking and heart-breaking story. the grieving family planning the funeral of their elderly mother only to discover that the funeral home sent them the wrong body. 82-year-old margaret porker was vacationing in saint martin in the caribbean when she died suddenly. now her family struggles to find a way to let her rest in peace. joining me is her family.
welcome to all of you. let me state first of all to you, peter, absolutely awful you have had to go through this as a family. your poor wife who died on this holiday and what then happened and to both of you her daughters, i can't think of anything worse. and i know it's been very difficult and emotional for all of you. and i thank you for coming in to talk to me about this. i want to try if i can help you to get some kind of closure with this. lisa, tell me really in simple short terms, what happened? >> we were on vacation. we were having a wonderful time on vacation. we were dancing and jumping around and partying and having a good time. and i had left at noontime on thanksgiving and gave everybody hugs and kisses because my flight was leaving. and i gave my mom everybody hugs and kisses. then i had left. and then i got the phone call later on saying that she had passed.
>> she was 82 years old. >> yes. >> and judy, you were there still with your mother. you're not quite sure how she died at the moment. is that the position? >> no. they never gave me a diagnosis, never gave me a cause of death. and when it happened it was so sudden that i never thought of asking what the cause was. all i know is that it was quick, and sudden. she did not suffer. >> but is what happened next that is truly scandalous. >> right. >> because your mother's body was then taken by the funeral directors in saint martin and sent back to you here in america. and it now turns out at the same time another body of somebody else who died on the island was sent to canada. but they sent the wrong body to canada and the wrong body to you. when did you realize, lisa, that this was not your mother?
>> when i was approaching the casket before calling hours at the funeral home. and i went up there and i looked at the hair. i looked at this woman's ears. and i looked at her nose. i said no, this isn't mom. this isn't mom. and i got up and i walked out. and that's when i saw my sister and my brother-in-law jimmy and the director, the funeral director's office. and i said, what's going on? and that's when judy said, we don't think that's mom. >> obviously then this massive investigation is launched, complaints obviously made at the same time in canada they're going through the same awful situation there. realizing it's not their loved one either. what happens next. >> well, we called right away down to the funeral home down in saint martin and said to the
funeral director and that it was a mixup, a terrible mixup. and the funeral director said, oh, absolutely not. absolutely not. they said there was only one body at his funeral home in that time period. and he said it was the body of my mother. >> that turned out to be nonsense, right? >> right. right. obviously. >> nonsense but then it gets even worse. i want to talk to you, peter, about this part of it. i can't even imagine how this made you feel. not only do you discover this is not your wife's body, but you discover that almost certainly your wife's body was sent to canada and was then cremated, thus depriving you of any chance of saying farewell properly to your wife. how does that make you feel? >> terrible.
makes the whole problem, made it even worse. it's so hard to explain it. it was just horrific. part of my life. having something like this happen to someone, a loved one, someone who has been loved by everybody in the neighborhood, in the community. in the senior citizens program for years. >> so a hugely popular member of the community. >> oh, she was, yes. >> a deeply loved member of your family. >> yes. >> and lisa, the appalling part of this is that you don't even know for sure that it wasn't your mother's body that was cremated. you're making an assumption because they've now said there
were two bodies sent and there was clearly a mixup. you don't know for sure, do you? >> no. >> is there any way that you can make any tests which could establish thought was your mother that was cremated? >> well, supposedly they found some kind of bodily fluid in the casket. and for some recent funeral home saved that. and we had sent up my mother's toothbrush and her hair brush up to canada so they could run dna tests. and they've had this stuff since before christmas. and we just found out a few days ago that they haven't even started the dna testing. >> it's a series of utter scandals going on with this. let's take a short break. when we come back i want to bring in a top expert on medical ethics who has some shocking things to say about this case. how could something like this happen and what can now be done about it? ♪ love love is strange ♪
you've hearded nightmare story of a grieving family who attempted to bury their mother and they were sent the wrong body. with me now is the grieving family and a medical ethicist. let me ask you off the top. when you put together what has happened here, we have a funeral director who i haven't revealed this yet but i will now demanded $7,000 wire transfer to send this body back. when the body came, the death certificate actually had their mother and their wife down as a dead man. it then turns out he'd actually
sent the wrong body, and it was actually another woman. they lied about having just one body at their funeral parlor. they didn't. they had two. everyone seems to conspire here to make this as bad as it could possibly be. what is your reaction to this? >> it's a horrific story, and i'm so sorry to hear this tale. i've never -- i've heard of bodies being mixed up at funeral homes, but not anything like this. and the patten of lying is just awful. it makes one a little bit suspicious. there has been over the years some trade in bodies, not so much for organs but to try and get bodies for use in teaching and so on. my radar is just up on that. not saying that happened. i hope nothing like that happened. but given this pattern of deceit down there. it makes one suspicious. >> if we take their word for it, as you said there's right to be suspicious. if you take their word for it, simply the wrong body was sent to two different families. the family in canada who had no idea obviously it was the wrong
body cremated the body that they received. is there any likelihood of the ashes themselves revealing any dna or indeed the flew it that was in the casket? is the second option more likely? >> yeah. that's a great question, piers. i heard the family say they had a toothbrush, they had a hair brush. you do need to match the dna against something. hopefully there's dna on one or both of those items. if there isn't, and there may not be depending upon how thoroughly they were cleaned, that's trouble forgetting a identification. the other issue is the fluid, it may be embalming fluid, bodily fluid. it also may have been touched or contaminated by other people who handled the body. that makes the identification harder. so very difficult to get a good solid identification without a good dna sample from the deceased person, which may maybe existing here. and then hopefully something being -- once you cremate the body it's very tough to get dna out of the ashes.
>> got a statement here from the government of saint martin. it reads in part two women one american one canadian died on the same day taken to the funeral home. the government honored the families' request to send the bodies to their home, and the deceased women were flown to the united states on the same airline. upon collection of the deceased the next of kin of beet desaysed persons -- the body of the respective relatives and have lodged a complaint with the local law enforcement authorities. the body that was flown to canada has since cremated." let me ask you again as the family, judy let me start with you here, dow do you have legal representation to take the appropriate action given you've got to deal with saint martin and indeed with canadian authorities? >> we haven't gotten any legal representation. >> is the government helping you here? the u.s. government?
>> the state department is. >> oh, yes, the state department has been helping us. the department -- the state department in curacao has been helping us. >> peter, finally, i hope you are given the right help. and if people who are watching who want to get involved in your story, i think it's an awful story to have happen to any family. i urge them to get in touch with you. peter let me have the final word with you. you didn't get the chance to say goodbye properly to your wife. how would you like her to be remembered? >> how would i like her to be remembered? >> how would you like your wife margaret to be remembered? >> oh, with love. she's such a loving woman. and it's so hard to explain it. but there is nothing that she could do to anybody if they wanted it or not, if they needed
something, she was always there. always there helping out doing things for other people. >> i'm sure she's been with you tonight as well, peter. i know that your daughters feel that strongly. and i hope that you feel the same. peter, lisa, judy, thank you all for coming in. i'm so sorry you've been through this. i really am. >> thank you very much. when we come back the state of the scandal. chris christie fighting for his political future. i talk to two congressmen on both sides of the aisle. [ male announcer ] what if a small company became big business overnight? ♪ like, really big... then expanded? ♪ or their new product tanked? ♪ or not? what if they embrace new technology instead? ♪ imagine a company's future
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i'm the governor. i'm ultimately responsible for all that happens on my watch, both good and bad. and without a doubt, we will cooperate with all appropriate inquiries to ensure that this breach of trust does not happen again. >> new jersey governor chris christie's mea culpa today. probably not the way he wanted to start his state-of-the-state address. joining me now democrat bill pass tell from new jersey and republican michael grimm from new york. welcome to both of you. if i may congressman pascrell. do you accept if chris christie is being sincere and honest and genuinely knew nothing about this bridge gate affair that he has done all he could possibly be expected to do? since it all blew up? >> well, this is a self-inflicted wound, piers.
this is not something that happened that someone did to him as he tried to portray last week when he made his mea culpa speech last friday. i think that that has to be taken into consideration. this is not a partisan issue by any stretch. this is about the soul of government in the state of new jersey. because we're all affected by this situation. the real victims in this case are the people of fort lee and those who use the bridge. in those four days we also had 9/11, which makes this even more insidious. so mea culpas may be fine. and it's good that you own up to something. but we really don't know what happened in this situation except thought was self-inflicted. >> congressman grimm, you support i think chris christie over this. but it must have dented your faith in the way he's run his
administration, hasn't it? >> no. it actually hasn't dented my faith. in fact, the way he's handled the situation, rise together occasion, what i would consider true leadership. look, number one, he owned it. he took responsibility. i think that's extremely important. and there's also accountability in his administration. when we're dealing with human beings, regardless of a gubernatorial administration or here in congress or in your own home, people are going to let you down. there's nothing we can do about that. but a true leader tries their best to minimize it. and they take responsibility for it and they hold people accountable. he's done that. i think what we're seeing right now -- >> that's true. but of course i didn't ask if you'd lost faith in him. i said his administration, the main criticism of all this is so many people working closely to him, including some of his own top staff, aligned with other people at the port authority and elsewhere, have all conspired to do an absolutely outrageous thing. risking lives of people in new jersey, causing traffic mayhem for a week, a sort of pathetic
punitive piece of political payback. so i would ask you again, has your faith not in chris christie perhaps diminished, because he may have been completely blind to this as he says. but surely the way that his administration has run, the culture that has developed that makes them think they can do this. that surely has been pretty awful. >> well, it's unjustifiable. those that were involved in this, there's no justification for it whatsoever. however, what i look at is i look at four years of an exemplary record. you can't deny that. i mean, we're looking at one isolated incident that never should have happened. but let's look at the fact that the state of new jersey is so much better off over the last four years. they have one of the lowest employments in five years. just created 162,000 new jobs. the bottom line his administration is delivering results and his policies are working.
that's why everybody is piling on now because they're afraid of the results his leadership is getting. >> congressman pascrell, apparently it's a minor blip in an otherwise terrific story. >> well, it's not a minor blip at all. we have 7.8% unemployment. how can anybody call that a great record? we still have the highest property -- some of the highest property taxes in the country. i can't blame that all on the governor, of course. but you know, when one thing happens then it mirrors everything else. i hope in this situation that the governor did not know, but there was planning in this. the e-mails reflect that. this was laid out very carefully, very consciously. this wasn't a mistake that just happened. this is a big mistake when they were planning to shut down those one lanes out of three. this is a very serious situation. people's lives are put in jeopardy. you're not going to smooth this over. this is something that the new
jersey folks and people around the country want to know what really happened. and i think that's what we all want to no, right, michael? >> sure. i think the investigation that the governor will completely comply with and be part of, he's totally transparent. that will exactly happen. but again, i don't think you can compare this to four years of an exemplary record. and look at the other thing he's done. he's worked across the aisle and he's been very effective at bringing republicans and democrats together. it's something we haven't been able to do here in washington. all those things combined -- >> that is true. but he's also managed to get them all vying for his blood at the same time. a bipartisan disaster after months and years of bipartisan triumph. a tricky period for him. congressmen thanks for joining me. turning to somebody who's been in chris christie's corner before bridgegate. new jersey state assemblyman john brennick. welcome to you, sir. what did you make of chris christie' performance today? has he done all that he can do,
do you think, to deal with this crisis to date? >> he stood before the national media for two hours, answered every question. came before the legislature in the state of new jersey today and was clear. he takes full responsibility. but he stated clearly he was lied to. this is a former federal prosecutor who indicted over 100 politicians in new jersey. came to trenton, changed the culture in trenton. started to do reforms that were unheard of. became a national charismatic figure. and of course there's going to be an overreaction here. this was on his watch. he took responsibility. but he was lied to. what else do you want from this man? >> well, i suppose the obvious thing that struck me with all this -- i've always been a big fan of chris christie's, interviewed him several times, found him to be an extremely impressive character in many ways. the problem is he's always been a guy that you associate with dealing with any problem in new jersey that he's dealing with.
what could be a bigger issue for the governor than to have the busiest bridge in the world brought to an absolute stand still for a whole week? and yet in that week he appears to have done absolutely nothing to try and find out why this is going on or do something to stop it. if he had done, he may have un-earthed some of the reality of what was behind it. >> well, hindsight is 20/20. all of these issues appear to be very large now. but in our state, we have traffic jams every day. there are studies, there are road blocks. this is not an unusual occurrence in the tri-state area. now, of course, obviously more questions should have been asked. but at that time there were not a whole lot of questions asked. and he apparently was told by his staff nothing concerning any unusual, illegal activity at that location. >> i've had a lot of trouble getting republicans on generally to support chris christie.
why do you think that is? >> well, we're here. the caucus today, my republican members are squarely behind him, especially behind what he's done for four years in his state. this state was on the verge of bankruptcy. he's in the process of doing historic reforms. my members clearly support him. we haven't received that many calls to appear on television. and i can understand why. when someone is ahead in the polls of hillary clinton nationally, you can understand why it's a great story to pounce on chris christie. but chris christie is very special in trenton, very special in new jersey. and i'm surely really convinced that he's going to do quite well after this scandal blows over. >> john bramnick, thanks for joining me. when we come back, investigators searched justin bieber's home this morning. what they found may have surprised even them. the details next. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the little room
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back with me now is lisa bloom. maybe, i don't know the word to it, which is teenage problem when you're a pop superstar. what do you make of justin bieber? he teams to be going off the rails in the last year, or perhaps growing up, a bit like miley cyrus, a bit of bad boy. >> the problem is he seems to have so little compassion for the people around him, his neighbors, he seems to be self-centered and have an attitude of arrogance. i live only a few miles away from him. the neighbors in that community have complained about him over and over again, driving too quickly, which is much more serious than throwing a few eggs. and finally it seems to be catching up with him. >> what should he do? his recent documentary movie, there's a sense he may have peaked.
what advice would you give him? you've seen a lot of celebrities come and go. >> i think he's a tremendously talented young man who clearly has plenty of opportunity to turn his life around. he needs to understand that humility is a very important value. he needs to understand that people around him have rights, and deserve to be treated with respect. he probably is surrounded by a lot of people who just say yes and anything he wants he gets. none of that is helping him. but he can still get back on track. >> lisa bloom, thank you for rejoining me tonight. dealing with temperamental musicians, as in justin bieber's case, is not always easy. my next guest, referred to the biggest man in music, once managed the megastars of the music world. his new partner is an incredible joint venture to reopen the los
angeles forum. welcome to you both. to mega moguls from the world of entertainment, sports, everything really. i'm going to start with you on this bieber-gate, which seems to rear its ugly head about every three weeks. it's the growing pains of many teenage pop stars. is he just being a guy trying to release the shackles? >> listen, the business now, acts can happen quicker than ever. for every bieber, along comes a taylor swift or the lads in one direction. you know, music in its art form is a rebellious form and some handle it differently than others. but others, these stars, superstars are coming along and happening on a regular basis, and the ones that get it are going to be around a lot longer. >> you've managed jackson five, prince, a lot of naughty boys. naughtiness and music go hand in hand, don't they?
>> they handle it differently. i always tell them it's the music business. you have to get the music right, but you also have to get the music right. the eagles have been around 40 years. fleetwood mac, christine aguilera now for 15 years. if they get the business right, they increase their odds of having a career with longevity. >> the eagles are helping you relaunch the l.a. forum. you're doing it with james. i go to madison square gardens to watch in sports. it's a tremendous venue. why the l.a. forum? why have you gotten together to do this? >> well, the l.a. forum is really unique. i wouldn't necessarily call it an experiment, but it's a one of a kind in the world venue, first time it's ever been done. it's an arena totally dedicated to music, the entertainment.
and there are no score boards. there won't be any hockey games or basketball games there. the entire building has been reengineered to make the concert experience the best experience you can have as a fan. and as an artist. this is the first time it's ever been done. >> from a music point of view, what is going to make this special? you have justin timberlake next week. what makes this special? >> for one, jim and i share a common goal. jim is a musician, and we care about musicians and we care about fans. for one, and most important, the eagles walked off the stage from a sound check in the past couple of days and it's probably the best sounding building in the world. msg spent incredible resources sound baffling, testing. it was a great sounding building as it was. the garden is a great sounding building. they were both originally the same architect. there's no suites.
>> who is the dreamer? of all the acts you've never not managed, who is the act you would most love to have been able to put on this new forum? >> unequivocally, the beatles. >> i think mccartney and ringo starr are getting together for the grammys. >> yes. >> and who would you most like to have on? one act? >> one act? my favorite has always been eric clapton. >> i'll take those two. >> but paul and ringo will be at our grand opening friday night. >> fantastic. the eagles will kick off the opening celebration starting january 15. for more information, go to fabulousforum.com. gentlemen, thank you very much. we'll be right back. (vo) you are a business pro. seeker of the sublime. you can separate runway ridiculousness...
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