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vicinity. another one is showing a low pushing off the coast. so, victor and christi, still just too early to tell. we'll get confidence as we move closer to the game day. >> thank you so much. we just put in our eight hours, victor. >> yes. let's toss it over to fredericka whitfield. >> i don't know. i think you guys deserve a little overtime. >> no, we're going to go ahead and give it to you. >> give me a little company perhaps? look at it that way. >> we'll call you at 2:00 a.m. when we wake up. >> in that case you guys have a good day. >> thank you. >> thanks so much. it is the 11:00 a.m. eastern hour. the "newsroom" starts right now. a texas case has had a nation debating, who should control the end of a person's life? now a judge makes a crucial decision about a pregnant mother on a ventilator. and justin bieber has a mug shot as part of his bag bad boy
resume now. he's out of jail but will his criminal charges put a damper on his nine-digit income and could he be deported? u.s. olympians are told to tone down their patriotism while in sochi. in one texas legal battle there are no winners. but it appears the family of marlise munoz may finally get what they want and be able to lay her to rest. the brain dead pregnant mother has been on a ventilator for the last 8 1/2 weeks now. john peter smith hospital refused to remove it saying that state law districts that life support should not be withdrawn from pregnant patients. now a judge has ordered the tubes be removed. cnn's nick valencia is live. nick, this ruling comes after the hospital conceded.
two main points. what are they? >> yes, and they were crucial facts, fred. one is that marlise munoz has been legally brain dead since november 28th and the other is the fetus is not viable. as you mentioned, all along jps hospital maintained they were simply following state law and no legal precedent for them to go off of and they felt in this case the law was applicable. interestingly enough, one of the co-writers of that law, smu professor, we sat down and spoke to him and he said the hospital they got it all wrong. >> and so i don't see how we can use a provision of the law that talks about treating or not treating a patient in a case where we really don't have a patient. that's not a question of philosophical speculation. dead is dead, in texas and in all 50 states. >> it has been an agonizing 8 1/2 weeks for the munoz family
and they may have to wait a few more days to find out what happens next. the judge ruled that by 5:00 p.m. on monday that marlise munoz must be taken off the ventilator. the hospital, of course, have that window to appeal. we haven't heard from them just yet. fred? >> all right, nick valencia, keep us posted on that. thank you so much. on wall street, the days of the raging bull may be coming to an end. the dow took a nose dive this week. it dropped 3 1/2% including a triple digit point loss on friday. alice son kosik looks at what is killing the bull market. >> hi, fredericka. stocks ended with a huge thud on friday. there was a sea of red arrows on the board. the dow plunged almost 320 points, or almost 2%. it was the culmination of an especially brutal week in which stocks fell every single day. in the end, the major averages lost 1% to 3% each. the selling circled the globe, hitting major markets in asia and europe. friday the big issue was a
sell-off on currencies and emerging markets. countries like argentina and turkey saw their currencies plunge against the dollar amid new concerns about the u.s. federal reserve ending the stimulus program. that stimulus has been giving economies around the world a boost. that's not all. wall street also got slammed by concerns about china's economy come slowing down. an economy that had been growing at a solid pace. here at home, worries about corporate america added insult to injury. big names like verizon, ibm, and johnson & johnson reported earnings that disappointed the street. the thinking is if companies are not doing well, they won't grow, hire, and invest. roll it all together and it's a perfect storm. investors went running for the exits and the pace of selling picked p up as friday's session wore on. but, fredericka, remember this, the s&p 500 surged by 29% last year, so we still got some wiggle room. >> all right. we like the wiggle room. thanks so much. all right. it's a debate the g.o.p. was
hoping it had put to bed. the so-called war on women. but comments made by mike huckabee, the former arkansas governor and gop presidential candidate, has stirred up the controversy once again. erin mcpike joins us from washington. erin, the republicans were hoping to plot a comeback at their winter meeting in washington. is this now a big setback for the gop? >> well, fred, democrats are seizing on this issue again. and they hope to pit factions of the republican party against each other as they do try to move past it. first, listen to what mike huckabee actually said the other day. >> our party stands for the recognition of the equality of women and the capacity of women. that's not a war on them. it's a war for them. and if the democrats want to insult the women of america by making them believe that they are helpless without uncle sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system
without the help of the government, then so be it. >> well, plenty of high-profile republicans were none too pleased about that, especially because the party has gone to great lengths over the past year to promote some of their women office holders like tapping washington congresswoman kathy mcmorris rogers to deliver their response to the state of the women on tuesday and they launched women voters over the past couple of years. this is the warning that rnc chairman ryan priebus looked at. >> as we look to grow the range of our party we must all be very conscious of tone and choice of words when we communicate those policies effectively. we should set the standard. >> but huckabee responded and tried to explain himself this morning on "fox and friends." >> actually i was upholding them and saying, you know what, women are not helpless. i've been married nearly 40 years. let me assure you, my wife is not helpless.
my wife is a strong woman. my daughter, my daughter-in-law, are strong women. i respect them as equals. my wife can do things i can't do. that's my point. >> well, in his comments this morning he also just touched on abortion, essentially needling testimonies for luring women to vote for them by giving access to birth control prescriptions and free abortions and believing that that will, quote, calm the women down. fred? >> all right, erin mcpike, thanks so much in washington. so, is there a so-called war on women? depends on who you ask. two top strategists talk about mike huckabee's comment and more, next. and justin bieber left miami last night surrounded by screaming fans. but what's next when it comes to his mounting legal troubles? [ male announcer ] this is the story of the dusty basement at 1406 35th street the old dining table at 25th and hoffman.
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the screaming fans for justin bieber as he left miami. he's out on $2500 bond and charge with drunken driving anden resisting arrest after police say he had been drag racing. bieber told police he had been drinking, smoking marijuana and taking prescription drugs at the time. so as he left, as you see in the scene there, one fan couldn't contain herself when he got her hands actually on her sweatshirt and you heard all the other screaming as well. >> everybody was pulling on him. he dropped and i was like, oh, my god, i have to get this. >> he dropped it? >> yeah. >> what do you think? you're holding his hoodie. >> i don't know. i'm dying. i feel like i'm dreaming. >> what are you going to do with it? >> i'm never washing it. he's so perfect. oh my god. >> bieber, i bet, wishes this was all a bad dream but unfortunately it really did
happen. justin bieber may not have been drunk as he was pulled over on thursday because a source now close to the investigation is saying that. torre joins us live from miami beach. a lot of conflicting reports about his condition, whether he was indeed drag racing. how are officials investigators now going to sort all of this out? >> right. so, fred, let's start with what we know. a source close to the investigation is telling me that justin bieber was given two breathalyzer tests and they came in under the legal limit. .011 and .014. but remember, a dui involves more than just drinking. we're talking about the possibility of other drugs. in addition to that the miami beach police department was saying that justin bieber failed -- failed, rather, a field sobriety test and in addition to that he had made statements that he had actually done alcohol, he had used drugs, b and taken prescription pills. so basically where we stand right now is we're waiting for
an additional test to come back. the miami beach police department saying that that test will be come back in about two to three weeks time and that should give us more insight on what he was and wasn't taking during the time of all this. >> and, now, what about conflicting reports about whether indeed there was drag racing involved. what eyewitness accounts there are. who allegedly may have been involved in it as well. >> right. so the state attorney's office is going to have to take a close look at all of this. and when i talk to them they said they will be looking at all of the social media accounts, the various pictures online, and videos. and then they will make a determination on the charges about whether or not they are going to up them. there's been a lot of talk about a potential charge having to do drag racing but, fred, the state attorney's office says it is just way too early in the game to tell about where this case is going to be doing. they need time to look at everything. >> as far as you know, where is justin bieber now? >> so, fred, that is the million
dollar question. there are unconfirmed reports about where he may or may not be, what i can tell you is that he was here inside this hotel in miami. he left. we saw all the fans. we saw him go to a nearby airport and then he was out of here. >> just poof, disappearing act. at least for now. all right, thanks so much there at miami beach. appreciate that. the jury is still out on just how justin bieber is going to maneuver all of these legal troubles now. will it affect his image? will it affect his fortune? alexander field has more on the business of being justin bieber. ♪ >> we can all remember one time when justin bieber was the fresh faced teenage heartthrob who attracted millions of beliebers with that voice and that hair. but a string of recent run-ins have left the pop star with a bad rap and a rap sheet to go
with it. >> he was arrested and he was crying because he was arrested so this is real life. this isn't some pop star trying to rebrand himself. >> reporter: the 19-year-old is thought to be worth more than $100 million. he's had five platinum albums, a popular perfume, and a slew of endorsement deals. adidas confirms they're sticking with bieber. their statement, quote, nothing has changed with our partnership at this time. but beyond this week's arrest in miami for drunken driving, the entertainer's legal troubles are mounting. >> bieber is currently under investigation for allegedly egging his neighbor's home and he could be charge with vandalism. >> reporter: industry watchers suggest the big business of being bieber could take a hit. >> his current movie has actually been pretty much a bomb. it earned about $6 million. where his previous movie did about 74 domestically. so that's a big problem. one of the tenets of branding is, you have to be likable.
so he was very likable at one point and now he's not so much. >> reporter: mugging for his mug shot, climbing on top of his jailed getaway car. but could it just be part of a bigger plan for the bieber brand? >> as an adult i find that kind of appalling. as a parent i find it appalling. but i bet you if i was a teenage girl i would find that kind of exciting and maybe that's the intent. >> reporter: he has diehard fans and a twitter following that's 49 million strong. if anything he's only attracting more attention. >> i think we will be talking about him three years from now. >> okay. so alexander field now with us. could some of this behavior be part of being, you know, rebranding him as kind of the bad boy, he's not the sweet little kid that first was introduced on the scene? is this a strategy? >> if that is the strategy, it seems to be a risky strategy. the arrest here is really that line in the sand. it could be a defining moment in
his career. vast difference between the on-stage an takes that we see from miley cyrus and the alleged behavior of justin bieber which could put people at risk and in danger. brand consultants are saying from this point forward if he manages to stay out of trouble he could burnish that bad boy image and it might help him in the long run. but this behavior also runs the risk of alienating some of his fan base. young women, young girls who have propelled him to stardom. if they can't relate to him the whole thing doesn't work. >> we're going to talk more about this later on this afternoon. alexandra field, thanks so much. we're getting the conversation started. women and the gop, why the latest comments from a top republican has many women in the country fighting mad. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is the cat that drank the milk... [ meows ] ...and let in the dog that jumped on the woman... [ barks ] ...who brewed the coffee... brew coffee. [ male announcer ] ...that woke the man that was late for work...
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republicans war on women. >> our party stands for the recognition of the equality of women and the capacity of women. that's not a war on them. it's a war for them. if the democrats want to insult the women of america by making them believe that they are helpless without uncle sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it. >> so this morning huckabee defended his statement on fox. >> i said the very thing on my show last weekend. it was seen by millions of people. i used the exact same language. and it didn't get a peep out of anybody. >> so is it an issue of just a bigger audience now? hillary rosen is cnn political commentator and democratic strategist. joining us from our d.c. newsroom. and rick tyler is a former spokesman for newt gingrich and senior vice president at the strategy group company. hello.
so, just as the republicans are applauding their comeback we're talking about the gops women problem. huckab huckabee's in particular. rick, how much damage does this do to the party? and does mike huckabee have a point that he said it before but now he's getting flack for it. what's the difference? >> look, i think the only way it's going to hurt the gop is if they over react to it. if you listen to what mike huckabee said he said that the gop stands for a war for women. and he used hiyberbole. if he turn what he said into something that he did not say, i don't know how that hurts anybody. i mean, mike huckabee doesn't have a massagistic bone in his body. my wife and daughter made over 800 phone calls for mike huckabee in iowa and my wife wouldn't put up for anybody like that. >> why would priebus come out and say, we've got to watch our words. >> this is what we're talking
about t about. the over reaction. >> really, over reaction? >> the reason priebus is upset is because the republican men talking about contraception, about women's sexuality, has just not really gone very well for the gop over the last two cycles. and, you know, they've been trying to move past this. the hout republican caucus has actually had classes for their gop congressmen over the last six months on how to talk about women and how to show more respect in their political rhetoric around women. you know, and this is exactly why they need that. >> but it's a catch-22, isn't it, because how do you appeal to women without talking about things and issues that appeal to women? >> well, the way you talking about issues is to put women in -- if huckabee had just started with his economic agenda including women, if he had stayed there that would have been okay. but the problem is is that they're trying to -- he can't
seem to resist doing the two together by saying, you know that the democrats are -- are attacking women in this other way. i just find the whole conversation with republicans awkward around women and i just don't think this is going to serve them well in this cycle or the next cycle. >> rick, don't you see this as, you know, only, i guess, gives the advantage to democrats include that of a hillary clinton or per maps even, you know -- >> what do you mean, oh, boy. that perhaps women -- women, you know, in leadership positions, might be getting an advantage when you have a situation like this and perhaps you're hillary clinton or new mexico, governor, might be able to run away with these issues appealing to women in a much better capacity than some of these republicans? >> look, the war on women is a strategic document written by a democrats and the democrats followed it. you're right, we haven't had a really great reaction to it. but it's made up. you're suggesting that half of
the gop, by the way, which is made up of women, is at war with itself. it makes no sense a all. look, the war on women is women being denied being able to go to their own doctor. war on women is women losing their insurance. war on women is losing their health care. the war on women has -- and the idea that anybody is trying to ban contraception, unless you think abortion is contraception. >> there's more than 30 pieces of legislation that house republicans have introduced to change the relationship between women and their doctor, to ban contraceptive access in health insurance, to affect family planning. >> please. >> the republicans had their way -- >> look, go to the local drugstore and talk to the pharmacist. nobody is trying to ban contraception. people are trying to put limits on abortion. it has nothing to do with contraception. >> you know what, if you limit people's access to -- >> what republican is trying to ban contraception? >> rick. >> i would like to know who it is. >> if you ban people's access to insurance --
>> who is banning? >> the -- the way say to other drugs? >> who? show me the legislation. show me the -- okay. >> now you're just being silly because you know what the republican plan is. >> who is trying to ban contraception? >> it is in the paul ryan plan to ban republican -- >> no. >> let her finish the statement then. >> here's the issue. once you take an issue around insurance coverage for women and you make qualifying around it and you treat women's health different than men's health, if you cover viagra for men but not contraceptive for women, if you don't include family planning, if you don't include -- if it's more expensive if you're a pregnant woman to get health care, then you are penalizing women. what the affordable care act said it was to make it equal. now republicans have opposed that from day one. >> there's a distinction between providing family planning, providing abortion coverage,
providing contraception that is included in many insurance plans. almost, all of obamawear includes it. the only thing -- >> the republicans have opposed it, rick. >> no. what they said was those religious organizations like the catholic church, those who say that life begins at conception, who have a moral objection to providing money, taxpayer money, for abortion services or private -- money for abortion services because it's against them, we are saying we should enforce and allow that. you're saying yes, we have to force and allow them. >> here's the problem -- >> all right, ti. thanks so much. it certainly touches a nerve. and it will be hotly contested for a long time to come, it seems. appreciate that. there political programming note. tuesday night president obama delivering his state of the union address. what impact will it have on the midterm elections? cnn will have the details live from washington starting at 7:00.
tuesday night. all right. a new security warning for u.s. athletes headed to sochi for the olympic games. why it involves their very american uniform. and job stress. worry and the fast pace of modern life, it often makes us lose sight of the simple joys in life, but when a new orleans man faced his worst fears, the result was inspiringly positive. cnn's tom foreman has the story. >> reporter: in the city that care for god it's hard to find anyone with fewer worries than david. >> and at times i have felt a lot like huck finn just floating down the river free. >> reporter: odd because for seven years he's had an inoperable brain tumor. why is he happy? because his terminal illness has led to the adventure of a lifetime. >> well, that's one of the perks of being told you're going to die. you don't have a lot left to be
afraid of. >> reporter: and he was a teacher who loved literature, poetry, and shaping young lives. the illness made him wonder if he had really made any difference. so he set out to visit as many former students as he could through 8,000 miles of buses, planes, trains, hitchhiking. >> some were amazed. i repeatedly got the question, what are you doing in seattle? how did you get to san francisco? oregon, illinois, new york, pennsylvania, florida, georgia, louisiana, alabama. >> reporter: a lot. >> a lot. ladies and gentlemen, the pacific. >> reporter: the adventure became a book "the priority list", the friendships became a new reason to live. >> even in this state, mostly blind and crippled, i'm alive and i'm doing things with my life and i'm very happy about that. >> reporter: what did you learn? >> i did make a difference and i'm very proud of that
difference and the people that they have become. >> there was no cap to the shampoo bottle. >> reporter: some of his old students now help him get to the doctor, run errands, read books. >> to be honest there was a time in high school where i didn't know if he would be there to see me get into college and graduate and to know that i wanted -- >> reporter: this is old then, more than you expected. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> we're all going to die. we both know this. it is an inevitability that if you just spend your time dreading and mourning, then you miss out on the good stuff that happens before then. i am very much about living. >> reporter: and still he pushes on. not to the end, but to whatever comes next. tom foreman, cnn, new orleans. i'm beth... and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store.
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a chilling warning for u.s. athletes going to the sochi olympic games. the u.s. state department says wearing red, white, and blue could put team usa in danger. it's urging the american athletes to avoid wearing these new olympic uniforms when they are outside the olympic venues for fear that it will make them targets. cnn's nick paton walsh joining
us now from sochi. nick, what prompted the state department to put out this very specific warning now? >> there are two real answers to that. the first is i think there's something more specific u.s. defense officials and the state department are concerned about. they have made suggestions that militants might hit, quote, soft targets. that will be when you leave this ring of steel area where the venues are protected by 37,000 russian police and military and you head out to the rest of russia. the insurgents have been raising on for a decade. when you do that you look american, you might find yourself a target. although the state department has been warning they don't believe the militants are, in fact, looking to hit americans. there's the broader answer to that question. why be concerned? well, as i say, this area, a hotbed of an insurgency. not particularly sochi here where i'm standing but
everything to the east. as you keep going towards the caspian sea, it's raging hardest, shootings, bombings on almost a daily basis. a security clamp-down seems to have lessened that slightly. that's at the heart of the issue here. why choose to bring the games here? this part of the coast very difficult. beloved to slood myrputin but tn edge of the area. >> so, nick, while american athletes are getting this warning, what about the other countries? are they warning their athletes as well to be careful when outside of that ring? >> i think most countries are providing a degree of caution. i don't know that we're specifically countries being cautious about the ring itself and it's the americans who are more open about the measures they're suggesting. that's the more public discussion. but if you see how this whole area is laid out, there's a sense of apprehension, there are
dragnets being put in place. today was a key day where a lot of the roads we needed to move around on start needing olympic accreditation to go along them. police are beginning to put those measures in. in a way makes our job quite difficult here and i'm sure it i'm packs the tourists' ability to move around when they finally get here, too. the concern is really when you leave that fortified area, quite what happens then. this is a part of the area where the police, corrupt and inefficient, notorious as that, that may play into how safe people are in the weeks ahead at the games. >> appreciate that. all right. coming up in 45 minutes from now, at 12:15 eastern time, we'll talk more security there at the olympic games with carl who helped run olympic security in atlanta. and i'll ask him about whether he thinks these games are safe or how safe can you make a big world platform olympic games such as this. all right. on the topic of sports, earlier this morning at the australian
open lena won the women's singles final. this is a big win for a player who is seven months ago was seriously considering retirement. hard to believe because, you know, it was fantastic for her to win a big grand slam years agood then folks said she's done and then, boom, she's back. hi, joe. >> you know, i guess -- good morning to you, or, yeah. i guess it's one of those things where players get burned out. she's about to be 32 years old. and you've played tennis your entire life. it's a 24/7 commitment. spe she had lost the compassion and flare. it was her husband and coach that brought her back on track. months paid off as she won this morning to win her first australian open title. in the third round of the tournament she was one point away from being eliminated. that comeback win with a number of big name upsets going out it opened the door for her. she's finished second in this tournament twice. she finally has the title. after the match, so cute, she
thanked her coach, thanked her husband for being supportive travel companions. but she thanked her agent for making her rich, which i love. i love the honesty. >> that's so nice. we're all happy for her. all right. so now let's talk about men's. it's their round next. what up? >> i think a lot of people felt like the semifinal match was more -- it was a bigger march than perhaps the finals match because you had nadal and roger federer. the brady ver us manning. great rivalry. nadal has owned federer in the head-to-head matches. it's really because they have contrasting styles. you know, nadal is all power where fedderer is all finesse. and nadal obviously is going to power his way to another aussie open title tomorrow with the finals. he'll play stanislov and he's beaten him 12 times out of 12 times. >> you can never be for sure.
>> they still have to play. you will see. >> he's showing more charisma. he seems like he's more at ease, nadal. he always seemed so intense. but now there's a little flare in him. i'm kind of digging him. >> i like that. i like that. i know a lot of people dispute talking about it here in the states, richard sherman, seahawks cornerback of what he said last sunday. sparking a lot of controversy. his post-game rant. some on the side of the fence saying it was terrible, some love the fire. the nfl has decided to fine him not for what he said but for what he just chured. it's a choking gesture he made during last sunday's game. they say that's unsportsmanlike conduct and that's taunting and taunting is illegal in the nfl and he's been fined just under $8,000 for doing it. it was basically directed at 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick after he knocked down the pass. he had a great interview with rachel nichols, our rachel nichols. it aired last night. i thought there were a lot of compelling elements. he regrets his actions because it's taking the attention away
from his team and his team's success. >> mostly i regret, i guess, the storm afterwards, the way it was covered, the way it was perceived, and the attention that it took away from the fantastic performances from my teammates. you know. and that will be the only part of it i regret. >> so there's really two big stories going into super bowl week. one being richard sherman, the other being the weather because of where it's located. the new york/new jersey market. >> are you worried about it? >> it's going to be a part of it. but i don't think it's going to be the major overwhelming story to the game. i think we're going to talk about it all week. >> i know. >> but one of the things i think is interesting about this is the super bowl, the official s do have a contingency plan and they have one for every super bowl but this is one that could have to be used because of where it's located. it's a backup plan. it's in case mother nature doesn't cop operate. forecasters will know more about the weather as it goes closer and closer. right now, predicting you can
ask jennifer gray to second my opinion here on this but they're saying flurries, temperatures in the 30s. but if the severe weather does somehow come through the area, that they're going to need 24 hours to change the game time, 36 hours to change the game day. there's talk of it possibly being on a monday or if weather -- they want to push it up and be it on saturday. >> monday, a lot of sick days. >> there's a lot of talk about contingency plans but it's going to be a snowfall of epic proportion to move it off of sunday. there's no way they will move it unless they absolutely have to because of the safety fact their goes into it. >> folks are counting on a good game. >> yes. >> forget about the weather. they're also counting on magnificent ads when watching the super bowl. we have a little taste of maybe one that's going to air during the super bowl and people will be rating it afterwards. take a look. ♪
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just about 45 minutes or so outside washington d.c. according to the columbia fire and ems, there's an active shooting taking place at the mall in columbia. you're looking at the google earth immanuals right -- immanuals right there of that mall. a mall that i frequented as a kid. when we get anymore information, we'll bring that to you. meantime, our own cnn crews are making their way to the mall na columbia to bring you the latest reporting on that situation. one in five americans receives food stamps. and it may soon get even harder for many of them to put food on the table. right now, the average recipient gets $134 a month in benefits. but proposed cuts could trim that number by more than half. the cuts are included in the latest farm bill before congress. this isn't welcome news for food
banks and pantries. joining us now, so you're the president and ceo of the food bank for new yorkcy. are you worried that there won't be enough supplies to go around. it wasn't that long ago that you were express ago great need. so now what? >> well, absolutely. we are definitely worried. i mean, already -- we just release add study where we were able to survey more than 600 charities to find out what has happened since the cuts to snap that occurred on november 1st. more than half of those charities reported that they ran out of food. another 25% of them or sororitied that they had to -- or so reported that they had to turn families away.
>> and is part of the big prom here that -- problem here that people who have in the past been able to generously donate, even they are in trouble and they are unable to donate like they have been able to? >> the reason that it is such a terrible issue right now is because food stamps make up the first line of defense against hunger. charities come in to support it. we are not interchangeable with government. there is no way that a donated dollar can ever compete with the power of government authority and certainly government resources. >> and so what is the backup plan if any? if you're unable to get the government resources and support that you need, then what? >> well, the biggest backup plan is for americans, for the 47 million who have been affected
by this to joe public, we need everyone to see the seriousness of this american issue. there is a vote that is em nant. it will rob families of even more resources. this next cut will be for $9 billion. and it will only be rendered on about 16 states. new york being one of them. new york city will bear 25% of the impact of these proposed cuts. it is unreasonable and it should be a concern for every citizen of these united states. this is not an opportunity for others to give a collective sigh because your state is not on this list. >> thanks so much. wishing you all the best. and to all those in great need. hopefully many and all will get the assistance that they really need.
>> of course, we continue to watch a breaking story outside of washington d.c. according to columbia fire and ems, their twitter account, there's an active shooting taking police station at the mall just outside of d.c. we'll get the latest information on that and bring that to you as soon as we can. there's a new form of innovation taking shape.
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. all right. this braeblg story -- breaking story we're following out of columbia, maryland. according to the howard county fire and ems, there is an active shooting taking place. very popular mall, certainly a place where many families like to go. about 200 stores at that popular mall. it's 45 minutes outside the washington d.c. area. it serving many counties. we understand according to the twitter account of the howard county fire and ems, an active shooting taking place. unclear how many people may have been injured, hurt or involved in this active shooting. and we don't even know how many people, whether it be one alleged gunman or more involved. all we know an active shooting taking place at the mall in
columbia, maryland, in howard county just outside washington d.c. we have our own cnn crews on the way to that mall. we continue to reach out to a number of sources in that vicinity. mike brooks is on the phone with us now. you know that area, given that you once worked in the metropolitan police in that area. what are your sources telling you about what this means? >> there's not too many details right now. the mall apparently is on complete lockdown right now. employees are sheltering in place in their stores as they have probably practiced in the past. and the howard county police and fire, they are both on the scene. howard county police all so on their twitter account, en route. they don't have many facts right now. they're telling me there's a possibility of numerous people shot. trying to confirm that right
now. still, a very, very tense situation. it's about 45 minutes north of d.c. and just outside baltimore, maryland. as you know from living in that area, a very popular mall in that area. everything is on lockdown. don't know how many active shooters there are. we don't know yet. >> straight up the columbia pike as you put it. when we would go to that mall, it was one that you would go on the weekends to ice skate. i don't know if it's still a part of the mall there. it is one that has four very large department stores anchoring it. i remember it being very docile, you know, quiet kind of environment there in columbia, maryland. there a theater not far from the mall there. as you say, mike, is this the
kind of jurisdiction because it is up against so many metropolitan downdities that it would likely get the kind of support from pg county or montgomery county in it's an area that has grown. >> right. >> but it is not a sizable location. >> having worked with them in the past on a number of cases, the howard county police department, they have very, very capable. they have negotiators. they -- everybody in that department is trained in dealing with active shooters. very good police department. i'm sure if they do need help, they could call in help from other jurisdictions and also from the fbi and baltimore office. right now, looks like howard county police, they are the ones who are going to be hand this from the initial stables. >> are your stories telling you
anything about one alleged shooter or more in. >> not hearing that as of yet. looks like an active center inside the mall and the mall is on complete lockdown. >> let us know what you hear from your sources. again, an active shooting taking place at the mall in columbia, maryland. about 45 minutes outside of washington d.c. this according to howard county fire and ems, their twitter account. they are the ones saying there is an active shooting taking place there. i don't know the story behind the still image that we're looking at. as it relates to this, not sure. we're trying to get more information. again you heard from your security expert, mike brooks, talking about howard county police on the scene there. at this point, able to respond
to any and all that's taking place there at the mall. typically a very busy day for families and individuals taking to the mall experience there in columbia, maryland. we'll give you as much information as we can as we get it. >> noon eastern time and the newsroom continues right now. top story we continue to follow out of texas. a judge there ordering a hospital to remove the ventilator of a brain dead woman carrying a 22-week-old fetus. it may finally bring an end to the saga of the family of ma lease munoz. her loved ones have been fighting the hospital for some time now. officials there say texas law directs its doctors to not withdraw life support from a pregnant patient. sonic, this ruling comes after the hospital admitted the fetus
is not viable. is that really what led to this judge's order. >> reporter: that's one of the crucial facts. both the hospital and the family agreeing that on november 28th, that's when marlise munoz was legally pronounced dead. they could not deny life-saving treatment to a pregnant woman. the family says that marlise munoz hasn't been alive since november 28th. it's been a very emotional time, as you can imagine. and yesterday, you could see that anguish on the face of the husband, erick munoz as he left the courthouse. we spoke to the family. >> the decision we sought, there is nothing happy about today. this was a sad situation all the way around. we are relieved that erick munoz can now move forward with the
process of burying his wife. >> reporter: and this really is about the grieving process for the munoz family. they want to move forward. they don't understand -- they call it how a hospital could be using their loved ones body as what they say in their words was assigns experiment. >> so, nick, i understand for erick munoz, i mean, this has been a huge emotional roller coaster. >> >> reporter: yes. >> and this whole notion of a conversation that he and his wife had prior to her being found unconscious that she never wanted to be on ventilators and any kind of -- any kind of apparatus to keep -- to prolong her life. but give us an idea what his reaction was like from the judge's order. >> reporter: yeah. both were paramedics. both have training as emts.
according to the husband they had spoken about this. he was saying all along that his wife would never want to be kept alive by a ventilator. really graphic details e emergencying yesterday. the -- emerging yesterday. his husband saying that when he looks at his wife's eyes, she's not left of the wife. this was very difficult for erick munoz to relive. he didn't comment adds he left the -- as he left the courthouse yesterday. reel really now, it's just a weight and see. although the judge did give this order, the hospital has until 5:00 p.m. on monday, it really is a weight and see -- wait and see. they have that window until 5:00 p.m. on monday to appeal. >> interesting. all right. keep us pothsed on that --
posted on that thank you so much. all right it was a pretty rough week on wall street. the dow plummeted nearly 600 points in total. that a 3 1/2% drop. investors have been worried by weak corporate earnings and concerns that china's economic growth may be slowing down. >> they are meeting in geneva. the talks are aimed at ending nearly three years of violence that has claimed more than 100,000 lives. how are those talks going? >> reporter: well, the first session seemed to go off fairly well this morning. a very brief meeting. we're told that lakhdar brahimi really just gave both sides an address of what to expect of how things would go. now they were all sitting in the same room around the same table, a u-shaped table we were told.
the meeting was calm, but you know what, away from the meeting, the rhetoric has still been sky high between these two sides, basically contesting whether or not al assad can be part of the government. so although they're actually sitting down at that same table, they're not actually talking to each other yesterday. they're talking through the mediat mediator. >> what kind of reaction and response is coming from syria on whether it will be any way cooperate and what kind of representation are we talking about from syria? >> you've got the government side represented by the foreign minister, by the deputy foreign minister and various other officials in and around the government. the opposition is not fully represented. all the remember bells that are in syria at the moment and this
is one of the big questions if these guys do agree a cease fire, how are they going to implement it. i think there's a lot of disbelief in syria that this is actually going to achieve anything. there is a hope here that they may get some small cease fires, may get some humanitarian aid through and also there might be some prisoner releases. women and children, to release them first. >> and children in particular, i understand that there was some sort of rescue taking place inside syria involving a child. what do you know about is this that? >> reporter: these pictures are both incredible and tragic. this is a small girl, we believe. we're told it was filmed on wednesday. when you see the rescuers digging with their hands in the rubble of the building.
first, you can't see anyone there, then the head of the child appears. and then you can see her moving her arm. eventually, they're able to pull her out of the rubble. the message from the people meeting in the building behind us, the longer that they don't talk to each other directly, the more these sorts of images and these sorts of daily tragedies are going to play out in syria. young children here. this girl clearly very lucky. 78 people killed we were told yesterday. >> so glad that little girl eats okay. you don't have to be a parent of small children to be touched by that i mean imagine. straight ahead, hope to have much more on that active shooting taking place at a mall in columbia, maryland. we got new images that have come
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we continue to watch a breaking news situation in columbia, maryland which is about 45 minutes outside of the washington d.c. area. we're talking about the mall in columbia where howard county fire and ems are detailing there's an active shooting situation there at the mall in columbia. it's a shopping mall. pretty sizable one of about 200 stores. we have some new images from folks there. you're seeing a helicopter there either upon landing or takeoff there at the mall. we understand there is also an image of perhaps a shopper who
is outside of a sears department store. we understand that howard county police, fire are all on the scene there. it's unclear how many people may have been involved. we do know that this mall has been locked down. this ask a shopping mall that i frequented as a kid. at the time there was ice skating rink in the mall that was very appealing to a lot of families. don't know if it's still there, but it is a very busy, sophisticated mall there. we'll continue to watch the situation there. as we get anymore information about how many alleged gunmen may be involved, we don't know if it's one, we don't know if it's several. and no confirmation as to whether there have been any injuries as well. police, fire, ems are all on the scene. the mall is in lockdown.
we have with us a former fbi crisis response agent. we invited him to come in to talk about the security situation in sochi. we know the state department has issued some warnings, but we wanted to tube to you -- talk to you about this situation. explain to us how law enforcement goes about trying to contain, secure a situation, at the same time, offer assistance to those who might be injured and look for the alleged perpendicular tray tors. >> i think the first thing is the lockdown of the facility. and that could be with, you know, additional law enforcement coming in to provide assistance. the second part of that would be to -- first part of the operation would be to find the shooter. that would be the utmost thing to do at this point. >> and the difficulty here,
you've got a mall like in this case on lockdown. no one can exit and enter. law enforcement doesn't really know who they might be looking for unless they've been giving a description or because of what they're wearing makes it obvious. talk to me about the delicate situation law enforcement are in to really treat everybody as a suspect. >> that's correct. there are a number of things they can do as you might have seen on some of the school incidents when they have the kid to come out, they come out each one and they either check them or if they have identification. now, if they have some type of id or description then they can go off of that. as they go in to try to find the shooter, they would have to check everybody that's inside the mall. >> is there a common protocol for shopping malls when there's trouble?
say the department stores, is it typical for american malls or is it really at the discretion of each privately owned mall to do what they think is feasible? >> the malls all should have security and some type of security plan, an overall plan and each store would have some type of plan. within that, they would all have a very seamless come together. >> well, you saw some of the till images provided to us by various people, shoppers and the like. it's one of four big department stores anchoring that mall. we also saw an image of a helicopter. in a situation like that helicopter landing usually on the rooftop? what can you decipher from this image if anything? >> it depend if it's trying to land and if it has enough area to land in. from that image, it looked like
it was trying to land. that could be for medicine vac. >> can you tell whether that kind of chopper is medical related or whether that is a chopper that would be more suitable for dropping off -- >> not -- hard to tell. okay. well, you know, it seems as though in recent years, there has been -- there have been protocols put in place for many shopping malls just in case. nobody wants to think they have to put it into place. >> right. >> but it is a protection that has to be there simply. >> yes. you have to have some type of plan for incidents that occur like this. >> adds we wait for -- as we wait for -- i'm hearing from the producer now that there is confirmation now that three people are dead from this shooting according to the howard county police department. three people dead at this shooting at the mall in columbia, maryland. unclear who the victims are.
of course, we when get more information on that, we'll be able to share that. three reportedly dead. confirmed now from howard police. three dead at the shooting at the mall in columbia. this taking place in the middle of the day. busy shopping day typically on a saturday. you're looking at still images that have come in from various shoppers, passers by. helicopter either landing or taking off there. you also saw the police presence outside this mall in columbia, mad mated. very popular, very sizable upscale shopping mall. you're seeing one of the anchor department stores. there are others as well and a j.c. penny. unclear the circumstances of the shooting and we don't know who are among the three dead now confirmed by howard county police.
as we get more information, we'll be able to dip into this situation and reveal more. but for now, carl, let me also try and make a turn, if we could, and talk about the security oversea skpts concerns that many olympian's families have about the sochi games. we know about the ring of steel. we know the u.s. state department is asking family members and olympians to be careful about wearing your gear when you leave that ring of steel. how concerned are you based on what you know about security? you were involved in the atlanta olympic games. how much control can you have? >> i think the -- the picture that's painted here with e this event is the incidents that have occurred in such a short time span before the games are going to start. >> uh-huh. >> and also in the proximity of
where the locations. most major events of this size that are international going to have some type of threats. this -- what has happened here is the threats have been maid. they've shown that they can carry out the threats. they have the means to do that. so that is a very big concern when you have threats maid and people -- made and people that are able to carry them out. so a big concern there with regards to security. >> uh-huh. and how concerning is it when you're talking about locations that outside of the olympic games, it was already a place where people were living, working, doing business. there's only, you know, so much restriction you can put in place by keeping people in and out. there are already people who have accomplished there, place of residence, conducting business there in sochi. you can't necessarily keep them out can you?
>> no i think if the ring of steel is within and some of those residents are within there, then there is something probably already in place that would have that -- so those people can go freely and come back, such as some type of investigation, a credential or something so they can back and forth out of that steel of ring. >> russia says without this security, we have it at the -- you know, height nd state here, we don't need anybody else's assistance. but when you're dealing with a worldwide event of this capacity, to what degree can you expect a host nation or even city to rely on security intelligence of other countries given that they do have their interests, they are worried about their own delegations. what kind of cooperation can be expected? i think the sharing of information is definitely going
on. i was at the london olympics in 2012. there were daily briefings. i'm sure that's what's going on now. each country is concerned about its security. there are security briefings going on now. i'm sure the russians are pro siding information to all of the countries attending so they can make the appropriate changes or necessary things to do for security. >> all right. carl, thank you so much. we continue to watch the breaking news situation out of columbia, maryland, as well. we're still awaiting new information on that shooting situation at the mall in columbia, maryland. 54 minutes out of -- 45 minutes out of washington d.c. unclear whether that involves a gunman or more than one. here are some still images we've been able to receive showing the police presence outside the
sears. helicopter either upon landing or taking off. unclear whether that's medivac. >> i'm sure at this point in time, with the facility being locked down, that law enforcement is starting their operation and trying to, if they have not already, found the suspect or suspects. >> we're going to continue to watch the situation in columbia, maryland. going to take a short break for now. right back with much more from "the newsroom." hey guys! sorry we're late.
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welcome back. we're following this breaking news situation out of columbia, maryland, just about 45 minutes or so outside of washington d.c. at the mall in columbia where police and fire are on the scene of what's been described as an active shooting situation at the mall in columbia. now howard county police have confirmed that three people are dead from that shooting in columbia maryland. and we just learned according to howard county police that one of the people found dead there was located near ammunition and the identification however unknown. so it's unclear as they continue to law enforcement descend on the situation there to try and extrapolate all that's taken place. we don't know how many gunmen
may have been involved here and we don't know how many are victims of the shooting. we just know that three have been confirmed killed there at the mall in columbia, maryland. and among them, one person who was found -- the body was placed apparently or is located near ammunition, but no identification has been revealed as yet. you're looking at still images of aircraft overheard. also going to see images of a helicopter there land were or taking off. unclear if that was laumt or a medivac helicopter. this image too showing the law enforcement presence. four department stores anchoring this shopping mall of about 200 stores in all. it's a fairly sizable mall. this taking place in the middle of the day.
typically very popular among families there. the shopping mall is a place that so many people go on the weekends. here is the mall in columbia, maryland. we have on the phone with us tom fuentes. so, tom, being their you're from the washington d.c. area you may have frequented or familiar with this mall. it was one that i went to as a kid growing up in the area. what do you know about the situation? what are your sources telling you? >> yes, it's a typical mall and there are many of them in the washington area. this in the suburbs of maryland just outside of washington. my question here is do we still have an active shooting situation or is the shooter maybe one of the dead that's already been located by the police. and in that case, then it becomes a crime scene. they'll certainly if there's any -- search if there's any
other individuals that may be involved. they'll be reviewing video camer cameras to see what vehicle the person may have arrived in. it could very easily turn out to be workplace violence where someone came back and had vengeance against someone that they worked with or worked for. we don't know all of that. but the question mainly is, is this still an active shooting or has the shooter killed himself, let's say, in the -- in the location of killing the other people. and maybe the situation is over and will now be a crime scene. we don't know that until the police let us know more information. >>s that correct. however, from howard county police and ems twitter account right now, we are able to report that they are spelling out on their twitter account that the call came into 911 around 11:15.
one found near a gun and ammunition. but again identification not being revealed as yet. as you said, still unclear whether there may be an active situation still underway. we can extrapolate whether just because this body was found near ammunition and a gun, you can't presume that is the gunman. nor is it clear whether there are others that may continue to be in the mall that pose harm or threat. now does law enforcement go about the business of trying to get a good comprehension of what is taking place inside the mall, whether to lift the lockdown, whether to continue to treat everyone they come into contact with as a suspect, or whether it's time to treat everyone as a potential victim?
>> the first thing is to try to determine if they do have the shooter possibly at the scene is that the only person. or if they are not in the three people dead, where did that person go. they're going to be trying to interview as many people in that mall, review security cameras inside the mall and outside the mall to try to determine is this one person who came in there by himself to do this shooting and do they have that person at the crime scene already dead, let's say. that's the primary thing. they have to do as many interviews as they can with witnesses in the mall, witnesses in close proximity to the shooting scene, maybe in the store or near the closet where these people were at the time of the shooting. and then, of course, it's a very difficult process, but they'll be doing that right now, trying to look at all security cameras from all of the stores in the
mall as well as the main mall entrances and the mall parking lot outside to see if they can identify that person arriving at the mall, walking through the mall and then going to the location of the shooting. >> and so, tom, if you could prioritize those things for me. are we in a day and age where law enforcement is trying to do all of that simultaneously, looking at the cameras, also trying to contain the mall, interviewing people? or is there a real priority, a list of activities in which they want to tick off first? >> there will be enough police responders from the call for assistance from the mall -- looks like we lost that call from tom fuentes. i do want to give you the latest information that we have from the shooting at the mall in columbia. meantime, just give you a little bit of context. according to authorities that apparently they did report at
about 11:156 they received a 911 call that an active shooter was on the second floor of the mall. also this being reported by our affiliate wbal. they do say from the local scanner reports they were able to determine that authorities were requesting multiple mass casualty units to that mall. the mall just 45 minutes or so outside of washington d.c. there have been a lot of images that have been put on twitter as well as the howard could bety em -- county ems and fire on their twitter account. according to one tweet coming from the scene that mall employees and customers were hiding in a stock room. we're going to try to get more information on this situation. much more from "the newsroom"
at about 11:15 eastern time they had an active shooting situation on the second floor of that shopping mall of about 200 stores. and we're just learning from howard county police that among the bodies found of the three dead, one of the bodies was near ammunition, but no id and near a gun. unclear whether that person was the shooter. we don't have anymore details than that. however, mike brooks our security analyst is talking with his sources. mike, what are your sources telling you about this situation? is it still an active shooting or does it appear as though now law enforcement is trying to assess after the shooting activity has ceased? >> i think right now they believe that one of the dead could be the gunman. until they are totally sure and they have been id on the
subject, they are going to make sure, go back, look at all the video surveillance coming from the entrances from the parking lot. since this happened on the second floor of the mall, that person had to have gotten there somehow, had to have walked through the mall. and you know, was this somebody who was targeted, was it workplace violence incident is it someone that the shooter knew, we don't know at this time yet. we're looking at pictures here. we saw another picture helicopter in the air. right now, until they get a positive id on this subject, they're going to keep the mall locked down. they're going to try to interview everyone who may have heard something, may have seen something. a lot of investigations going on right now making sure that the area is secure to securing the crime scene and also investigating exactly what everybody saw, try to get all the witnesses together. and howard county police
department, they're going to be the lead in this. they are extremely good. i've worked with them in the past. you also have maryland state police there at the scene and also fire and ems. i've been listening to the scanner traffic. and there are units that are clearing the hospital and then going back to a staging area just in case there should be any other injured folks that they should come upon. they also have created a triage area there at the mall to put people from the lowest injuries all the way to a black category and people that are deceased. >> so from that scanner -- >> go ahead. >> so from that scanner activity, has it been indicated that people have been transported to the hospital? >> yes. >> or that everyone is being treated at the triage unit? >> it sounds like there were some people transported. trying to get that from my
sources right now for sure. the mall is still on lockdown and probably will be for quite some time. >> when you have a mall -- this is a pretty big mall. it is on lockdown. it's tleet two levels. will police be able to -- howard county police, maryland state police be able to check essentially every corner of the mall while it also tries to investigate whether, you know, the -- the person who was -- whose body was found near the ammunition is that of the shooter? how are they going to be able to do that and at the same time treat those who were injured or in most immediate need? >> it's going to take some time to clear this whole mall. you've got people locked in their stores. you're going to try to get them to see if anybody heard anything, saw anything. and then just do a methodical clearing of that mall.
one of the other big things is going back to take a look at the movements of the shooter or shooters. see exactly where the shooter went, where they came in, was there anyone with them when they came in there. these are all things that are very, very critical intelligence, if you will, that will help law enforcement's actions as they move forward. we see pictures here of howard county police outside staging in the mall. big effort by law enforcement. it's going to take some time. >> and so, mike, i also have with us tom fuentes former fbi assistant director. tom, at what point does -- because you're talking about the washington d.c. area and we are, you know, around the federal city. at what point do agencies like the fbi get involved when it seems like something that low
calculates are -- localities are handling at least right now in. >> well, the fbi, unless this was a terrorism incident are not going to have direct jurisdiction. they would come in if howard county or the maryland state police asked the fbi for specific kind of technical assistance. maybe crime scene or sheer manpower. but this is going to be, you know, howard county will have the lead on this. this is their case. they'll stay in charge of the investigation. so the fbi in no way, even if they came in p to provide assistance, it will only be assistance. they will not come in and take over the case. this is howard county. it's up to them to conduct this investigation with assistance from state police. maybe they have assistance from other surrounding local jurisdictions. the clearing process is going to be lengthy and meticulous.
they'll have to look in every single closet, storeroom, utility area, as well as the stores themselves to try to make sure that there isn't another shooter hiding or the people in the mall or employees in the mall, they may hunker down in place and hide and not come out of it until a police officer comes and says it's safe. >> and of course -- and in fact, according to some reporting involving twitter images saying that there have been some mall employees and customers hiding in the stock room. so when you have a situation like this, tom, and police are looking, scouring every corner trying to figure out who might be alleged shooter, who might be alleged victim here, when they try to clear, identify who they're encountering at what point do they make a
determination, okay, i'm going to allow you to leave the mall? or does everyone have to stay the mall together separating them in contained areas until law enforcement feels like the lockdown has been lifted? >> i think they'll be able to make a judgment call pretty quickly you know, to determine, who the employees are in other stores or who the shoppers are that are not involved in this or may not have any information of value. so they'll identify everybody and take their -- their names and their e-mail addresses and their telephone numbers. but they're certainly not going to hold, you know, hundreds or maybe thousands of people in that mall all day while they search every close it. if they can make a call and reasonably believe someone's innocent and not involved, i think they'll be letting them go so they don't have to have that many extra people to deal with at the site. >> if you could hold tight and
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welcome back to the "newsroom." three confirmed dead at a mall in columbia, maryland. the mall at columbia is where the shooting took place. 11:15, howard county police got a call that active shooting was taking place. law enforcement has descended. we understand that the shooter is among the dead there. there was one body found near ammunition, gun, but no id. law enforcement still on the scene there. we have with us now mike ollers
who is a cnn senior producer. give us an idea what you've been able to see. we've heard from law enforcement in various ways, either from the twitter account or through phone calls as well, that right now, they believe that the mall may be secure. what can you tell us? >> first of all, police just told us minutes ago that there will be a formal briefing at around 1:15. they have very little information here on the scene that they're ready to release now. when i arrived, there was still a good number of people arriving. lights and sirens on the scene, getting out of their vehicles, putting on body armor and carrying assault weapon. i talked to a young couple in the mall. they say they were on the upper
floors. they say not far from the shooting. dy did not -- they did not see it but said they heard it. they heard six very loud banks. and the young man, he said he believed them to be from a shotgun, but again, he did not see that. people started fleeing. he said -- he was in the store for an hour. i'm not sure the timeline works out, but i'm sure it seemed like an hour before he was taken from -- from the building. and he was on his way to give police a statement. right now, the mall is still surrounded by -- by police. >> let me just stop you right there if you don't mind. i have kt who is an employee there at the mall. kt, where were you when you heard the shots or did you hear shots? tell me of your experience. >> okay. i was in the back of my store
working. with my other co-worker. all of a sudden, these two people run to the back of my back room saying somebody's in the mall shooting. so we go out the back door. behind there is a hallway where deliveries are maid, but there's only one exit back there which is kind of stupid. a lot of other people didn't know where the exit were. going the other way and hiding out in rooms. so -- there were people huddled around the end of the bathroom hallway which kind of goes out to the food court and that's where the girl told me, yeah, it was a -- looked like a guy that was latino or middle eastern. he was wearing khaki pants and he definitely had a shotgun. it was either a shotgun or a rifle. i took a picture. that was taken by the cookie.
there's one big hole and a bunch of pelts around it. i went back into the hallway where the deliveries are made. a lot of people are crying and all that. got people out through the exits, showed them where that was. then all of a sudden, one lady i think was talking to her husband and she said that he said that they had got the guy. so that's why we went back inside. so went back inside and just stayed locked in the store with me and some other employees and we saw the cops walking around the store, guns out, that's when we figured, yeah, they must not have to the gotten this guy. we were in there there about half hour. that's when we saw the swat team. they said whoever's in here, you got to go.
>> so kt, you were in your store. the picture we just showed. there we go. we're looking at it again. this was near the food court when you took this image, if i heard you correctly. but then you said you and others ended up going back to the store. at what point did you or others make a decision to leave the mall, leave period, and some of you stayed in to, i guess -- >> we left -- i originally left i was trying to help a lot of other people go out. so i was hanging around the back entrance waiting for word. and we really doesn't hear anything. and there were no cops in the back of the mall where we were exiting at. there were none back there. so there was nobody to tell us not to go back into the mall. so like i said, the other lady said she had heard they got the guy, i said let me go back inside, get my belongsings. that's when i was like, wow, i guess they didn't find the guy.
that's when we were just kind of hanging out there. >> so how frightened were you through all this? >> i mean, i guess as frightened as you can be. if god going to take me off the earth he going to take me. so can't be too scared. >> i know this mall at least as a kid. i frequented that mall and it's certainly a place that i would feel safe at all times and imaged for you, you're working there on a busy saturday, you know, you know what a saturday looks like there. an awful lot of people at this mall. but when you heard the shots fired, did it seem as though people knew what to do in terms of trying to find a safe place, trying to find a place to -- to, you know, cower to be safe? >> of course not. >> give me an idea. >> i mean it's a mall shooting. nobody knows what's going on.
in today's world that we live in, when you hear gunshots, you run. there's nothing else to do. people, you know, just started dipping. >> uh-huh. uh-huh. and for those who decide to find safe place in storage rooms in closets et cetera, how concerned or frightened were you about whether police would know that you are trying to save yourself, save others or whether you were a suspect? >> that was the biggest concern because a lot of cops, especially in maryland, they got itchy trigger fingers. they will shoot you no matter who you are. that was a big concern. just -- i mean, just seeing like a lot of kids back there crying and a lot of mothers holding onto them crying and shaking. that was the biggest deal. for me myself personally, wasn't really worried about me. i'll be all right. i was making sure everybody else
was going to get out of there. >> i'm amazed you had the wherewithal to take the pictures of the bullet holes in the wall. >> there was a bunch of us standing there. we were back there and everybody was running, everybody's like what's going on, all we hear was gunshots, just standing there we didn't hear anything as far as, like, anybody running through the mall or people saying hid, hid hide, or move, move, move. that was just my first i think tingt to take a picture of it. >> thanks so much. a glad you're safe. right now are you still in the mall? >> they maid everybody leave -- made everybody leave. after a while, i think the cops were trying to get everybody off the premises, period. >> does it -- when you left, did
it seem like there was still a lot of people inside the mall? >> i don't think so. it's kind of hard to say. but -- it seemed pretty empty for the most part. i -- i guess people, you know -- i think the swat team was going from store to store telling people to get out. because when everybody left, not all the stores closed their doors. so i think they were still looking in each -- every store trying to find the guy. i don't know. it was -- it was just crazy. one of things you see on tv but you never think to go through it. >> sounds like you did a great job keeping yourself and others around you safe and keep ago cool head through it all. kt, thanks so much. in addition you're well. >> thank you very much. >> a