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somebody else, somebody who is being watched all the time, somebody who they are not going to be able to ask for help. they are tram mat clee bonded to that trafficker. >> you are here and working with the state attorney general, nita bells, thank you so much for calling attention to this major, major problem. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks so much for watching. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. making headlines and prompting conversations all day, our exclusive interview with president obama. and now for the very first time this hour you can see the whole thing in its entirety right here. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." >> i can't wait and the american people, more importantly, cannot wait. >> the national lead, the lead exclusive with president obama. his first interview since the state of the union. the commander in chief very frank about using his pen as a
sword against congress. also talking about compromise with republicans on immigration, afghanistan, the nsa, why his policies still heroin and marijuana. and, of course, a few lighter moments including -- >> i think it's going to come down to the last play. >> like the rest of the america, the president will be in front of a tcv and watching the super bowl. i will try to pin down his call on who is going to disneyland after the final play. and the sports lead. why don't you guys refill the bean dip this year? the ladies are watching the super bowl. women have become a huge part of the nfl and they have the peyton manning jerseys to prove it. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the country watched as president obama laid out his agenda in his
state of the union address and warned that if the potential gridlock in congress continues, he will not hesitate to go around them wherever and whenever he can. but there is only so much detail the president could get into during an 1:05 speech so he decided to sit down with us in waukesha exclusively where he filled in some of the details of the grand plans he announced in his speech. but our conversation went much further than that, encompassing everything from his battles with the republicans to his views on legalizing marijuana and to whether his early idealism has been tarnished. the president is making good on his vow about going ahead with executive orders. today he met with ceos from companies like apple and walmart. he got 300 companies to sign a pact to give more consideration and not discriminate against the long-term unemployed despite gaps.
there are nearly 4 million of the long-term unemployed. perhaps, the biggest part. when i sat down exclusively with president obama, our conversation quickly turned to them. >> thanks for doing this, mr. president. >> great to be with you. >> your big push is whatever you cannot accomplish with congress you will take executive action or issue executive orders. how much can you really accomplish doing that? >> well, first of all, my big push is making sure we're focused on opportunity. making sure that every single day all of us in washington are trying to think about ways that we can help folks get good jobs, make sure that they are trained for the good jobs that are out there, make sure that those jobs pay, make sure our kids are getting a great education. those are the issues that the american people still very much are concerned about. and obviously there's going to be more than we can do if congress is able to break through some of the gridlock and if we're able to, for example, pass immigration reform, that is
going to add growth to our economy, reduce our deficits. >> you don't seem confident that that's going to happen. >> i actually think we have a good chance. >> i mean the jobs issue. >> i think there are going to be some issues where it's going to be tough for them to move forward and i am going to continue to reach out to them and say, here are my best ideas. i want to hear yours. but, as i said at the state of the union, i can't wait. and the american people, more importantly, cannot wait. we know that unwith of the biggest problems right now in the jobs market is the long-term unemployment. >> people won't hire them because they've been unemployed for so long. >> because they have been unemployed for so long, folks are looking at that gap in the resume and they are weeding them out before they have a chance for an interview. so what we've done is to gather together 300 companies just to start with, including some of the top 50 companies in the country, companies like walmart and apple and ford and others to
say, let's establish good practices. do not screen people out of the hiring process because they have been out of work. i'll be convening a meeting where a number of these top companies will be coming in agreeing to these best practices and we'll have an opportunity to encourage more people to come in. all those things cumulatively have going to have an impact. if we can get congress to pass a minimum wage law that applies to everybody instead of me through executive order making sure that folks who are contractors through the federal government have to pay minimum wage? absolutely but i'm not going to wait for them. >> i've been covering you for a long, long time, 2005, 2006 in the senate, i remember during the campaign when you talked about your presidency being a moment when the rise of the oceans would slow and the nation, the world would heal.
and now you're talking about pen and phone and executive orders and executive actions. do you think you were naive back then or have you recalibrated your expectations and your ambitions? >> well, part of it is, we got a lot of that stuff done. we got, in this country, a health care reform that has already signed up millions of people and make sure that everybody who is watching, anybody who has insurance will not be dropped because of a pre-existing condition. if they don't have health insurance, they can get it at healthcare.gov. we have made enormous strides on the education front changing our student loan programs. the millions more young people get student loans. and so part of what's happened is, that check list that i had when i came into office, we have passed a lot of that. so in no way are my expectations diminished, but we have a divided government right now.
the house republicans in particular have had difficulty rallying around any and genergeh less mine. and what i don't want is the american people to think that the only way for us to make big change is through legislation. we've all got to work together. >> let's talk about house republicans and senate republicans. there has been a large contingency of republicans critical of your new approach. senator ted cruz, who may run for president, calls this the imperial presidency. how do you respond to that? >> well, i don't think that's very serious. the truth of the matter is that every president engages in executive actions. in fact, we have been very disciplined and sparing in terms of the executive actions that we've taken. we make sure that we're doing it within the authority that we have under statute but i am not
going to make an apology for sa saying that if i can help middle class families and folks working hard to get into the middle class work a little harder, then i am going to do it. not only are they willing to not do anything, they also want me to not do anything in which case the think the america people whose right now estimation of congress is all right pretty low might have an even lower opinion. >> it's not something you take seriously? >> i'm not particularly worried about it. >> let's talk about areas where you may be able to make some progress. i know that a path way to citizenship and immigration reform is very important to you and to democrats and others. it's possible that you might be able to get an immigration reform bill on your desk that has legal status for the millions of undocumented workers in this country but not
citizenship. would you veto that? >> well, i'm not going to prejudge what gets to my desk. >> but in principle. >> well, i think the principle that we don't want two classes of people in smerk a principle that a lot of people agree with, not just me and not just democrats. but i am encouraged by what speaker boehner has said. obviously i was encouraged by the bipartisan bill that passed out of the senate. i genuinely believe that speaker boehner and a number of house republicans, folks like paul ryan, really do want to get a serious immigration reform bill done if the speaker proposes something that says right away folks are being deported, families are being separated, we're able to track young top students to provide the skills s or start businesses here, then there's a regular process of
citizenship, i'm not sure how wide the divide ends up being. that's why i don't want to prejudge it. >> i just wonder if you see this at all in terms of especially the pathway to citizenship in the way that you seem to when you were passing health care reform and i was covering it, the public option. in other words, it will be great, in your view, if you could do it. it's not going to happen and there might be some expectations that you have to do because i have, having reported on this, don't think house republicans can pass anything that has a pathway to citizenship. >> well, here's the good news, though. number one, there is a desire to get it done and that particularly in this congress is a huge piece of business because they haven't gotten a lot done over the last couple of years out of the house republican caucus. they have been willing to say what they are against, not so much what they are for. the fact that they are for something is progress. i do know that for a lot of families, the fear of deportation is one of the biggest concerns that they've
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continuing with my exclusive interview with president obama, first following his state of the union address, the president has been quite candid about his use of marijuana as a younger man. so candid, in fact, that some wondered how much he supports the restrictions spelled out by his own administration's policies. that's where we pick up my conversation with the president right now. >> another big issue in this country has to do with the legalization of marijuana. you gave an interview and said that you thought smoking pot in the drug control policy and also the fact that marijuana is considered a schedule 1 narcotic along with heroin and ecstasy. do you think that you were talking about it too casually
with remnick in "the new yorker". >> that's something for congress. >> i think it's the d ecea. >> it's not something that -- >> will you support it? >> but the broader point -- i stand by my belief, based upon the scientific evidence, that marijuana is subject to abuse just like alcohol is. and should be treated as a public health and challenge. as i said in the interview, my concern is that when you end up having very heavy criminal penalties for individual users that have been applied unevenly and in some cases with racial
disparity, over the long term, if we can deal with some of the criminal penalty issues, then we can really tackle what is a problem not just for marijuana but also alcohol, also cigarettes, also harder drugs and that is trying to make sure that our kids don't get into these habits in the first place. and the incarceration model that we've taken, particularly around marijuana, does not seem to have produced the kind of results that we have said. but i do offer a cautionary note and i said this in the interview. those who think legalization is a panecea, i think they have to ask themselves some tough questions, too. if we start having big corporations with a lot of resources and distribution of marketing are suddenly going out there and pedalling marijuana, then the levels of abuse that
may take place are going to be higher. >> when your director of national intelligence, general james clapper, testified before congress and said before the snowden leaks that there was no mass surveillance going on, a lot of democrats in the senate think that he was not honest. he said later that it was the least untruthful answer he could give. i know that you have faith in clapper. i know that you believe that these programs protect the american people. but i can't believe that you weren't disappointed by his answer because least untruthful is not a phrase i remember hearing on the campaign trail. >> the -- i think that jim clapper himself would acknowledge and has acknowledged that he should have been more careful about how he responded. his concern was that he had a classified program that he couldn't talk about and it was
an open hearing in which he was asked -- he was prompted to disclose a program and so he felt that he was caught between a rock and a hard place. now, subsequently i think he's acknowledged that he could have handled it better. he has spoken to mr. wyden personally. i think the broader point is that everybody that i've dealt with in our intelligence community is really working hard to try to do a very tough job to protect us when there are constant threat streams coming at us but doing so in a way consistent with the law and consistent with our constitution, consistent with our privacy rights. i am actually confident that we can continue to have the best intelligence service in the world, but win back the confidence of both the american
people as well as folks overseas but it's going to take some time. it's going to take some work. partly because the technology has just moved so quickly that the discussions that need to be had didn't happen fast enough and i think that we have the opportunity now to move forward in a way that's going to make a difference. >> a lot of members of congress -- and not just the fringe ones, the ones that are actually serious lawmakers -- have said to cnn that they would not let their family members go to sochi, that they are not confident that it will be safe. you see all of the intelligence. >> i do. >> i know that you're not going. i know that you and michelle and sasha and malia are not going. but if close friends of you are whys or the girls said, hey, we're thinking about going, what would you tell them? >> i would tell them that i believe sochi is safe and that
there are always some risks in these large international gatherings. i'm always going to feel even better if it's inside the united states because then we have full control over what happens but the russian authorities understand the stakes here. they understand that there are potential threats that are out there and we are coordinating with them. we've looked at their plans. i think we have a good sense of the security that they are putting in place to protect not only the athletes themselves but also visitors there. so what i would say is that if you want to go to the olympics, you should go to the olympics and we're not discouraging in any way americans from participating in what is just always an amazing, wonderful event. in these large settings like this, there are always some risks involved and i don't want to completely discount those but as we've seen here in the united
states, the boston marathon, there were some risks if it you have lone wolves or small cells of folks trying to do some damage. >> i want to say, as somebody who has covered the war in afghanistan, the moment where you honored cory remsburg at the state of the union i felt was a very moving moment and what i admired about it was the nation so many times doesn't seem to want to know the costs of war and seeing him and his struggle i felt was very important for the country to see. >> it -- the biggest honor i have is serving as commander in chief and you meet these amazing people every single day but they are carrying a big burden. on the one hand, we have this all volunteer army that makes it outstanding. these are people who want to serve, are eager to serve, trained to serve, we've never had a better military history.
but it also means only 1% of the american people are in harm's way and their families are the one who is are bearing that burden. which means when we make decisions about war, it is that much more important for lawmakers and the president to understand that there are consequences to this. and i think folks like cory are the first ones to say we volunteer because we want to defend this country and what we accomplished in afghanistan in terms of pushing back the core of al qaeda has been critical to our national security but as i said at the state of the union, i am not as commander in chief going to be sending our young men and women into open-ended conflicts or deploying our troops in large numbers overseas without thinking about folks
like cory before i send them. and it's the most profound, solemn decision that any president makes. i'm sure that was true for all my predecessors and will be true for my successors. all of us, as americans, just have to keep that in mind, that just because there isn't a draft, just because this is an all volunteer army, that the burdens being carried by the small group of americans is profound and we owe them thanks. we owe them all of the support that they deserve once it's over. >> thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you. >> really appreciate it. when we come back, what power does the president have to change marijuana classification? well, perhaps a little bit more than he said. [ male announcer ] imagine this cute blob is metamucil.
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the responsibility on congress to make the move. now, we checked it out. according to the dea's own website, the president's attorney general has the authority to, quote, remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he thinks it's been mislabeled. so congress certainly has input into these things, you can tell his administration to act. let's talk about other parts of the interview. i'm joined by our panel, some smartie pants, carol lee and matt. i've been trying to get you both on this show for more than a year and you both came today and i'm happy and honored. let's start with immigration reform. i thought that he basically signaled, even though he didn't say it outright, a willingness to consider a bill that doesn't have a path to citizenship. matt? >> you know, jake, he's doing what he ought to do in this situation, which is give himself as much situation as possible.
i think he's got to do -- certainly more than most people, i think he has a decent shot at getting immigration. >> i agree with the politics of it but there are a lot of people on the left that are not happy that he's staking a flag that says we need to have a path to citizenship. >> this is what they've seen him do on issues in the past. you know that this is something that he just wants to get done and instead he would do it in 2009 and there were all of these big things that they were going to do and then finish it and in he hasn't gotten it done. if you talk to him he'll say, we're not that far apart. meaning him and the republicans. the path to citizenship take as long time, you have to meet a bunch of different benchmarks. for him he's playing this game where he wants to see what the republicans are able to come up with because they are signaling that they may be able to do something in the realm of citizenship or at least legal
status and if they can get something like that, you know, it's more than he's certainly gotten so far. >> in terms of his mood, because i think that's important in terms of what he wants to do going forward, he didn't seem to me as beaten down as i thought he would be based on that david remnick "new yorker" story. a guy who is an author, has written two books and is already preparing for a third was talking about his paragraph in american history. he seemed confident but at the same time, this is new, this approach of like, okay, i'm going to call these ceos and try to get them to agree to this. it is a hemmed in obama in terms of his ambition. matt? >> i thought, going back to the state of the union, he was right to strike such an upbeat tone and it's the right tone politically but the sum of the policies he's talking about is relatively small. and to me the startling thing -- and i can understand why they are pivoting this way but the startling thing is here you are five years into a presidency and
you're saying effectively we still don't know how to work the levers of power. that's a remarkable admission for a president who has already been re-elected. >> our friend peter baker from "the new york times" describe its as, obama disdained clinton's small steps and now takes his own. he's approaching things more prag mat clee. but a former clinton adviser says, "it's not clear that any of his proposals would do much to change the basic equation for working families." so i guess the question is, can this pen and phone approach actually accomplish much? >> it can accomplish a little. i think that if you look at some of the things that he laid out in the state of the union, the retirement savings program is probably one big thing that may have a long-term legacy but it's not huge. it's not the kind of changes in
the economy that he could get. if he could get congress to work with him on things. and to peter baker's point, you know this, when the obama folks first came into the white house, they disdained, we're not school uniforms, we're doing big things behind the scenes. they were constantly saying that. they come out and make a big show about how they were scanning across the administration to find different policies that they could do on their own and they didn't come up with that much. if you look at the actual speech, he said i'm going to do a number of things but really gave a nod to the rule that congress has and kind of conceded that he can't do these massive things without congress having his back on that. >> now, matt, politico has a completely different take. their headline is obama's power play and stephanie simon says, "obama's pushing to push to take his executive order still and
what constitutes as a single serving of potato chips and perhaps just how salty those chips should be. is he hemmed in or is this a huge power grab? >> you cannot allow him to regulate poe pat toe chips in this way. >> you don't like like you eat potato chips anyway. >> i don't. okay. you heard democrats say this about george w. bush. he was governing. my point is, i wrote this in the yahoo! column yesterday, if you're going to use executive orders and you can get some stuff done, don't use it just to add on to government or expand the government but also think about reform. i think if you look at the poll numbers, the lack of confidence that people now have in this president, not just to get things through congress, to actually have solutions to fix the problem. that's because they have spent so much time talking about expanding government and very little time talking about making it more efficient and there are things that you can do with
executive power that would begin to reaffirm, even in symbolic school uniform kinds of ways that the bureaucracy has to keep pace in its change and in the changing of the culture with the growth in government. >> it was a very smart point you also made because i'm not sure if you saw matt's column -- i'm sure you did -- but for our viewers, the reason you thought new york city voters were willing to go more liberal was because bloomberg made new york function. there was a trust in government and voters had voted for republicans for the past 20 years but there was a trust in government that bloomberg had instilled that we don't have on a federal level right now. >> if you're going to ask people to expand government, it helps to have proven that it works and part of the advantage in new york is that you have 12 years of effectively ruthlessly efficient government and they are open to doing more.
>> and the president had this government review, he was going to revamp government and that went nowhere. >> before you go, carol, you've been reporting on the state department environmental review on the keystone pipeline came out moments ago. what did they conclude. >> . >> it concluded that there wasn't a decision either way but seems to lean more favorably to the construction of the pipeline, that there's no significant impact from one particular project, is what it says. >> and now we expect a decision on from the president? >> there's a 90-day period where they solicit comment. and then it will go to the president. the president and the white house wouldn't say that he's going to make a decision but he's said privately to his aides that this is his call. the decision is going to come right in the middle of the midterm elections and the politics will heat things up. >> that's going to be exciting
to watch. carol and matt, thank you so much for being here. when we come back, the rest of my exclusive interview with president obama. things get a little less serious. i asked the president about his favorite topic, his daughters, and what he thought about the epic sherman rant days before the super bowl. thanks for coming in. how is everything? there's nothing like being your own boss! and my customers are really liking your flat rate shipping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe a promotion is in order. good news. i got a new title. and a raise? management couldn't make that happen. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. so when my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis them. was also on display, i'd had it. i finally had a serious talk with my dermatologist.
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president some questions about serious issues, his policies, the feasibility of the goals he wants to accomplish, things he didn't want to talk about. we did, of course, also get to talk a little more informally in a walk and talk, more about his home life, his thoughts on the pope and of course the super bowl. >> so the first lady just gave an interview. she said that your daughters were not concerned about whether you had a bad 2013. okay, dad, that's great, where's my allowance? >> you know, they -- when we sit down at the dinner table have some awareness of what's going on and we have great conversations although it's more about history than what is going on right now. it's true. look, they are teenagers. they are fully absorbed with their lives, what's going on at school -- >> they are not into your
approval ratings? >> they really are not. >> are you going to bring them to the vatican when you meet the pope? >> you know, they met the previous pope the last time we went to rome. i'm not sure they are going to have a chance to go this time. it was wonderful. the great story was, sasha was still pretty young at the time. this was in my first year in the office. and they see the system chapel and they are going through these various chambers and each time, you know, she'd see somebody dressed up in the cloth and she would say, is that the pope? is that the pope? how about that guy over there. no, no, you'll know when it's finally the pope. >> so i was thinking about this pope and there's so much excitement, people think that he's going to change everything. >> uh-huh. >> you're going to meet him. are you going to talk to him about the importance of managing expectations at all? is that something that he needs to think about? >> you know, i have been really impressed so far with the way
he's communicated what i think is the essence of the christian faith and that is a true sense of brotherhood and sisterhood and regard for those who are less fortunate. my suspicion is, based on what i've seen of him so far, he's a pretty steady guy. i don't think he needs any advice from me about staying humble. >> he's not looking at his approval rating. >> i don't think he is. i think is he somebody who is very much reflecting on his faith and what he needs to do to make sure that folks not just of the catholic faith but people all around the world are living out a message that they think is consistent with the lessons of jesus christ. so i've really been impressed with him. that's a meeting i'm looking forward to. >> so a big game this sunday, the super bowl. i wonder what you've made of the
richard sherman sideline rants, the push back to the push back, his argument that people are calling him a thug is a more polite way of calling him the "n" word. >> well, first of all, i think he's a great cornerback with a great play. he's obviously a very smart guy. a wonderful story, in fact, that he came up from compton and went to stanford, has helped other people graduate and go to college from his old school. and my sense is he's taken a page out of mohamed ali's page book. ali said he got his from the wrestlers he used to watch. >> so it's part of tradition? >> i think it's a tradition of let me get some attention and obviously it's worked. i suspect that he's going to
have a lot more endorsement contracts and i think he's more jersey sales after that. but it's going to be a great game. you've got peyton manning who maybe has had the greatest season that any quarterback has had and to watch him go against a team that is known for their defense and particularly their passing defense i think means there's going to be some excitement there. >> i'm going to give you a choice. you just have to pick one. hillary versus biden or broncos versus seahawks? you have to tell me -- you have to pick one and give me the winner. >> well, i think that broncos/seahawks -- >> you're going to go with that one? >> surprisingly enough. i think it's going to be a lot like the seahawks/49ers' game. i think it's going to come down to the last play and in the end of the day, i'm not going to pick it because i don't want to
offend any of the great cities who are participating. >> so you'll go with the hillary/biden one, then? >> i'm too smart for that, jake. come on, man. >> you aren't running for anything anymore. coming up on "the lead," if you've watched a game lately, you might notice the number of female ads in the crowds. does that mean it will be different than the past? plus, convicted again of murder, she says she will never return to italy willingly but will amanda knox be forced to go back and face her sentence?
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women are making their presence felt and their impact is being felt from the stadiums, all the way to madison avenue. nischelle turner has more. >> reporter: remember back in the days when the word pro football fan conjured up images of guys like this? and women who didn't hate the sport were thought to be simply tolerating it because, well, how else would you get to spend time with your guy on sundays in the fall? >> i don't want you to give up the sp. you love the super bowl. >> reporter: according to the nfl, women make up nearly half of the league's fan base. 375,000 women attend nfl games each weekend. in fact, more women now watch the super bowl than they do the oscars. and these ladies are no longer content to just sit on the sidelines while the fellas have
all of the fun. the nfl director of apparel says over the past ten years the league has gone out of its way to cater to the growing women. >> as we get smarter about our female fans, we've expanded the depth and breadth of what we have. >> reporter: but this new-found need to cater to female fans is not just about recognizing their love for the game. the fact is, women are the consumer's in chief of most households. so why not reach out to the households that are most likely to spend the big bucks. >> we're always getting smarter about what women want and what we're realizing is that there is always more. there's always something out there that we can be doing. >> reporter: before even the league got hip that women should include more than pink jerseys, actress alyssa milano proves that she's the boss.
she got fed up with the lack of apparel options for women so back in 2008 she started her own line of figure flattering fashions called touch. >> i knew that women made up 50% of the attendance in sports and i figured if even 7% of those women wanted something, almaleki turn tif to either the big jersey or the pink, and then we'd be in good shape. >> and it's clear, women are not only on the fashion industry radar, they are affecting marketing industries to. women are put on display in ways that might make hugh hefner blush, but you'll notice a growing number of ads where female fans are the featured players. >> i'm missing kickoff for this? >> reporter: the dynamic is shifting the percentage of management positions held by women in the nfl increased to
29% in 2013. the highest it's been in more than a decade. but that jump was only enough to earn the league a c for overall gender hiring in the institute's annual report card. so, not exactly a touchdown but a sign that the nfl is steadily moving the ball forward in the quest to shed its boy's club image. nischelle turner, cnn, new york. >> thanks, nischelle. when we come back, the nfl commissioner throwing a curveball at a press conference. how he responded to this question. >> would you feel comfortable calling an american indian a redskin to his or her face? so what's better, bigger or smaller?
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welcome back to "the lead." another interesting sports moment on a story we've been covering for quite some time. if the washington redskins change their names, it likely won't be because of pressure from the nfl commissioner. roger goodell held his news conference and defended the right to retain the nickname that some find racist and offensive. the national congress of american indians released a statement but he said that most native americans are fine with it. >> if you look at the numbers, including in native american communities, in a poll, nine out of ten supported the name. eight of ten americans in the general population would not like us to change the name. >> goodell was also asked if he
would call a native american a redskin to his or her face. he didn't really answer. the world lead now with all of the horrific crimes that he's drags his feet may seem pretty tame but that's the latest charge from the obama administration that says assad has removed 4% of his deadly chemical stockpile. they were supposed to be destroyed by the end of 2013. secretary of state john kerry warned that all options remain available to force assad's hands. refusing to commit to 10,000, more than 100,000 syrians have been killed so far in this civil war. that's tuned 2 million people into refugees. amanda knox is speaking out.
she says she will fight the guilty verdict handed down in an italian court and will never go willingly to serve her 28-year sentence. an appeals court found her and her ex-boyfriend guilty of the murder of meredith kercher. the appeals process could take about a year so it's too early to talk about extradition. that's it for "the lead." wolf blitzer in "the situation room" is next. jake, thanks very much. yes, indeed. happening now, breaking news. a potential bombshell from the former official who orchestrated the lane closings that shut down a new jersey city triggered investigations of governor chris christie's administration. did the governor know about the