once it hit that max step, it said, hey, this is deeper than i am programmed to be. >> breaking overnight, what went wrong with the first underwater mission to find flight 370. is the ocean too deep to search? plus, more mixed signals from malaysian investigators. now they say a cellphone signal was picked up on board and it was the co-pilots. president obama and putin talking about the situation as it worsens. are they any closer to a diplomatic solution? boston strong. today marks one year since the marathon bombing. we remember those who were lost and those whose strength helped the city bounce back. your "new day" starts right your "new day" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com www.vitac.com
good morning, welcome to "new day," april 15th. the bluefin expected to dive into the indian ocean today after monday's submersible exceeded the depth limit. >> the signal that came to the co-pilots's cellphone while in flight is raising many new questions this morning. we're doing to dive into this with ouring pertsmorning. but first, erin mclaughlin is live in perth, australia. good morning, erin. >> good morn,ing kate. that's right, the bluefin-21 cut its mission short after encountering waters deeper than it's designed to handle. prompting the questions, can it handle the task at hand? overni. u.s. navy officials say no objects of interest were found among the data downloaded from their unmanned underwater robot. this as the first subsurface
search was cut short. just six hours into its mission the bluefin-21 surfaced. 14 hours early. the bluefin was originally expected to scour the ocean floor for debris. the whole journey lasting 20 hours. but instead, the device resurfaced after the o official say it exceeded the operating depth of 14800 feet. >> we just hit a deeper spot than we initially planned so we just got to bring it up, reprogram it, shift a little bit away from the deeper area. and adjust our search pattern. meanwhile, a new detail emerging. a u.s. official tells cnn the co-pilot's cellphone was on during the flight and made contact with the malaysian cell tower. according to information shared by malaysian investigators. that cellphone signal reportedly detected about 30 minutes after the plane made that sharp westward turn, around the time the aircraft disappeared from
radar. we're now hear that the bluefin-21 actually spent 7 1/2 hours in the water. officials say that it could take up to two months for it to search the entire area. chris? >> erin, thank you very much. let's bring in cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation mary schiavo and cnn safety analyst, former faa inspector david soucie and author of that great book. >> "why planes crash." >> mary schiavo, you play the role of investors here for malaysia. how can you say that you don't pick up any cellphone information, it's not that hard to figure it out, and now weeks into the investigation you say you did? and it was the co-pilot's? how do you make this type of mistake? >> well, you make this type of mistake if, one, you're not on top of your investigation and, one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing. and this piece of information a
had apparently gone to other authorities to investigate. as the head of the investigation, you should know where all of your data issed. i think they did not. i don't think they were on top of their investigation. clearly this makes us all wonder is there any other cellphone information. it's hard to believe 239 people didn't have 23 ce9 cellphones. ive have left mine on in flight many times before. i think they have terrible problems of coordination. >> you've left it on or kept it on on purpose? >> by accident. that's my story and i'm sticking to it. >> mary is a lawyer. among 15 other things. >> i won't write a violation. >> mary raises all the valid issues here. if you find one, first of all, this is not difficult. this is not sophisticated. this is not 20,000 leagues under the sea type of stuff we're dealing with with the bluefin. find out whether or not there was cell plays off the se is easy. how did they not know or did they know and conceal it and
mary's point, if you find one, why wouldn't you have found others? >> well, and i'm not -- look at the report and they said that they confirmed that the copi co-pilots's cellphone did connect. they didn't say others didn't connect. they way reported it wasn't clear, it wasn't complete. amazing. >> you can't connect up high. >> i've heard as much as 18,000 feet. i have a friend who flies that area a lot and one time he left his own and received text message about 18,000 feet in that same area. so it's possible that it did connect at a little bit higher altitude but certainly not 35,000 feet. >> what would have to be happening? i don't like speculation but just to test the idea of what you would need a cellphone when you have all of this other communications equipment, how disastrous a scenario would you have to be experiencing, mary, that that was your only recourse? >> well, it would have to be a very serious disaster.
it would have to be a disaster that involved losing your communications equipment. you give "good night malaysian 370" and then you have a disastrous event that knocks out your communications and it's on event that's on going. the pilot turns around to head back to land and says, well, i'll see if we can get a signal, see if you can get a cellphone signal co-pilot because we don't want to be cruising into malaysian airspace and have the military shoot us down. some identify to the tower that you have no communications involve things that can only be seen during the day, like movement of your wings, et cetera. so it might have been an attempt to try to reach the cellphone tower. >> obviously it's fuelled a lot of nefarious speculation. we have to find out what the full, complete understanding of cellphone activity is before we walk down that road. let's go to something we do
know. bluefin-21, you both told me the reason you need the alvin is that it's depth limited, the bluefin- bluefin-21, and that's what they experienced yesterday. not about the mess-up in the search. this is what happens as you learn more about the depth you're dealing with. >> that's right. this area is not somethings that's mapped in detail. in fact, it changes over time with sand and silt and everything that moves. so the fact that they found that it was too deep, we kind of expected. it was right on the fringe of what this machine could do. >> the one decision you can scrutinize a little bit is you recalibrate the bluefin-21 but did they call for the alvin also, that they need better vehicle? >> well, i don't know if they've actually officially called for the alvin. i know at loose a couple days ago in the chine chinese media, the chinese said they had the sea dragon and they were anticipating or they were going
to plan to deploy that one. and that one holds the world's record for dives. and it's a man dive. so they can -- they've already offered that. >> what i don't know is if it has sonar capabilities though. those are typically visual machines and under there there's not a lot of sight so you would have to be very close to the debris to find it. >> you need the sonar to do it by feel and bounce back and understand the area. >> yes. >> so these are all things they can deal with if they didn't anticipate it correctly. there it makes sense because of the variable depths. >> there are machines to do it, maybe that's not the one for the application. >> i'm asking for it this way because we want to be careful not to criticize as you scrutinize. fair point, mary? >> fair point. that could explain the cellphones, too. what may have happened is they knew the pilot's cellphone number so they went looking for that. maybe they haven't gathered all the 237 other cellphones and
hadn't looked yet. there may be a mistake on the investigation but there's still time to do that. >> i'm saying from the family's perspective. they're so on edge that they're not getting accurate information. yes, it's curious that pile t t lots would have their cellphones on. yes, it would make you wonder why it would be necessary. you would think you would gotten it right by now. >> that's right. 30 years ago i was able to get cellphone records immediately. on the approach pass someone used their cellphone during the accident. i was able to get them quickly, like within an hour. this date, why didn't they know i can't figure it out. >> one thing we all know is in an investigation where you may not get answers to every question you better hope the integrity of your search and your investigation is impeccable because otherwise people will be upset forever. kate? now to ukraine. a country on the brink. president obama spoke with russian president vladimir putin by phone on monday.
the violence in ukraine though is getting worse and the u.s. is publicly accused russia of fostering much of it. phil black is on the ground in ukraine but let's begin at the white house with white house county michelle. >> this is the second time in two weeks that presidents obama and putin have spoken. the white house said it was frank and direct. p with president obama expressing grave concern for what he called russian government support of those armed militants who have taken over buildings across eastern ukraine and urging putin to convince them to stop, saying that there is is still room for diplomacy here but that it won't work. and what the white house called an environment of russian military intimidation, provocation, armed provocation within ukraine, andes a latory rhetoric by the kremlin. as usual the kremlin saw this
call as very different, denying its own involvement, blaming the vial lins on the ukrainian government and urging president obama to uses american influence to prevent more violence. there are these four-party talks this week coming up in geneva. russia, ukraine, the u.s., and the eu. so if there really is room for diplomacy here, that would be the time and place for it. kate? >> it does seem to be -- they do seem to be running short on time for that diplomacy at this point. michelle, thanks so much. that phone call michelle is talking about comes just days after a russian jet made several very close passes by a u.s. navy warship in the black sea. meanwhile, separatist groups occupying governments in eastern ukraine have completely ignored it appears kiev's demand that they leave. cnn's phil black is joining now from eastern ukraine with much more on this side of the story. phil? >> kate, good morning.
this morning the ukrainian government says it launched what it describes as an anti-terror operation. this is in a region surrounding the city of donetsk in the southeastern of the country. we don't know the size and scale of the operation but they say they're taking it slow and they've been talking about doing this for a few days now. they've tried setting ultimatums, deadlines. all of it hasn't really worked as the pro-russian militants and supporters have consolidated their power, ok neying key pieces of infrastructure in some nine to ten cities and towns across this region now. so now they're attempting an anti-terror operation. in addition to this we've heard the suggestion from the ukrainian government to bring in international peacekeepers under united nations mandate. soldiers from perhaps western governments here in the east of the country standing off against russian forces across the border. you have to think that's a hard
sale. noi in addition to that it would require a united nations security council resolution. who ukraine is saying here is that it still needs more support to stop this country from breaking up and to deal with the threat it believes is still coming from moscow. chris, back to you. >> phil, that much is clear. thank you for the reporting this morning. now, today marks one year since the boston marathon bombings. three lost their lives. 260 injured have their lives changed forever. vice president biden will attend a memorial to honor them as the city pauses to remember and unite in the spirit of being boston strong. cnn's jason carroll is live in boston this morning. hey, jason. >> good morning to you, chris. today what we're going to see is a tribute. the city will come together and pay their respects, honor all of those who suffered and paid with their lives that day one year ago during the boston bombing.
it's simply being called, chris, a tribute that will take place at the heinz convention center just very close to the steps of where the boston marathon will end. it will begin at 12:00 noon. we're told it will open with the boston pops. that will be followed by a special tribute honoring the four people who lost their lives, martin richard, 8 years old, crystal campbell, 29 years old, former restaurant manager lindsey lew, the boston university grad student from china, and sean collier, 27 years old, you remember him, the m.i.t. officer who lost his life after he was ambushed by the suspects. the mayor, boston's mayor will be speaking during the tribute as well as governor duvall patrick and vice president joe biden will be here to lend his support. following the tribute what we're going to see is a flag raising ceremony at the finish line of
the boston marathon and that will be followed by a moment of silence. chris, i think one woman summed it up the best in terms of how people are feeling here today. she's the manager at the restaurant where the second bomb exploded. when i talked to her about this city coming together, she said, jason, today is not a city coming together, it's a community. chris? >> strong point, jason, strong point. we both spent a lot of time up there. i was up there yesterday. everybody is coming together. we saw the mayor walking in and out of shops and people are really trying to get that sense of community. it will be very needed, the words boston strong are everywhere you look. part of that is because when one is taken many feel the loss. coming up on the show you're going to meet a grandma you will never forget. we met her last year after her granddaughter was killed in the bombings. a year later she slars what the family was dealt with since crystal was taken and the sign she says she has received from her beloved granddaughter. grandma lillian will make your
morning. stay with us for that. you're going to love it. >> so looking forward to that. thank you for that. let's take a look at the headlines. five days of scathing cross-examination in the oscar pistorius murder trial come to an end. the prosecution finished its grilling of the olympianian by slamming his story of events. the state's relentless scrutiny led pistorius to break down today say he is not sure who is to blame for her death. obamacare may not drive up health care costs as much as previously thought. the joint committee on taxation shows premiums are only likely to rise about 3% in 2015. far less than many had been predicting. the overall cost for empty ming the law is expected to run $5 billion less than expected. but less money and penaltys will be collected because the administration decided to delay the employer coverage mandate.
guess what day it is. it's april 15th, tax day. >> what? >> make the sound. most people have already fooimd filed already. the irs has t gotten 3/4 of the returns it expects to get this tax season. most have filed electronically. the agency says do not let that heart bleed internet security bug discourage you from filing online. but you do want to beware of a phone scam. fake irs agents are calling and asking for your personal information. do not fall for that. >> it's already bad enough. >> it's already bad enough. >> don't let that phone bug get to you but that new federal tax rate is quite a bite in the butt cheeks. >> i don't want to end on taxes. i want to leave you -- >> thank you, michaela. >> i feel the love. >> did you see over night the wonders in the heaven above, the moon in crimson red, the color of blood just hours ago? no biblically prophecy came true, it's a total eclipse.
the earth passing between the sun and moon placing a burnt copper color. if you missed it like many under the cloudy skies, in the east, many more wonders on the way. three more such blood moons are expected to rise over the next couple years. so you haven't missed your only opportunity. folks in the west, if you're still up this morning, a lot of people in los angeles, good morning, they went to the observatory and they had a beautiful view of it. they had clear skies and able to see it. >> like a plethora of blood moons this year. >> that's huge. >> turning into a good thing. >> can we -- john, can we show that shot again of the blood moon? >> test ourg cape its here on "new day." oh. look at that. >> beautiful. >> i think it's very pretty. it's beautiful. >> it's very beautiful. >> the word blood, blood moon. >> crimson moon. >> without blood, we don't have life, right? >> i know. >> the crimson moon. >> i tell you what, there was -- >> funny voice every time you
say it. >> i was looking around, science was with me on this, hey, can you see the moon? i'm looking out the window as i woke up my wife. why are you looking out the window? i couldn't say i'm looking for the blood moon. >> no blood moon, no beautiful crimson moon is worth waking up the spouse. >> sleeping spouses must sleep. >> immediately went with the obvious excuse, i can't find cha-cha. >> why are youing looking out the window? >> got to go. got to go. coming up next on "new day," the search now depends on an underwater drone scanning the ocean floor. we're going to look at the challenges that the bluefin-21 is facing. and we're leaning more about the man who allegedly went on a shooting rampage at two jewish facilities in kansas. what watch groups say they've known for years about this guy. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money?
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the victims. cnn's george howell is in overland park, kansas this morning. george? >> chris, he has been described as antisemite by the southern po verity law center, a man who has been very vocal, especially online, about his hatred towards jews. however, officials say of the three people he shot and killed last sunday and families he terrorized all were christians. none of them were jewish. >> four or five shots have been fired into the front door. there's male with a shotgun. >> reporter: the chilling 11 calls as three victims are shot and killed at two different jewish facilitys near kansas city. >> subject shot a female in the parking lot. >> reporter: the alleged gunman, frazier glenn cross, also known as frazier glenn miller, a name well-known to the southern poverty law center which tracks hate groups. they say he's been long tied to white supremacist groups. posting hate videos online,
expressing antisem mettic views like in this interview with howard stern. >> what is the biggest problem with the jews? >> they control the government, they control the mass media, they control the federal reserve bank. and with those powers that are committing genocide against the white raise. >> reporter: in the aftermath of it all, we're learning more about the victims. terry lamano, occupation a therapist, her family calls a beautiful soul. 14-year-old high school freshman reit griffin underwood who loved to sing. and his grandfather, dr. william corporo nrk who was there to support his grandson. an incredible loss for a family who has shown so much grace and courage in the face of incomprehensible crime. >> i'm strong because i have faith and i know that god did not do this. >> it's so hard to hear what these families have gone
through. cross has not yet been formally charged but we do expect to see him face federal hate crime charges filed later this morning. kate? >> obviously watch what happens there. but i think you point out a very important point, george, is to focus on the families, focus on the victims, focus on that daughter and mother who is going through something completely unmanageable right now. >> what motivated these actions does not deserve a fair hearing. >> evil is not okay. >> no. let's turn to some weather now though this morning. overnight, extreme weather tearing through the south. e end d indra petersons has beening tra that. >> here's why. we're talking knocked 30 mobile homes over. where is that threat? we're looking at the damage from
straight line fwrinds norfolk down through florence, jacksonville, we're going to have that threat again for severe thunderstorms as all of that energy really kicks up, especially in the afternoon again. look at this. look at the temperature difference. this is the reason we're talking about severe weather. just behind the cold front. look at the 20s and 30s and may want to look t the actual snow making its way through, yes, looks like cincinnati already seeing some soft flurries. here's the frontal system looking for heavy rain in the south. spreading into the northeast. lasting throughout the day. not clearing out until overnight. look closer. that cold air is filling in bringing in flurrieses to philly. no, norksz overnight. the bulk of it, yes, probably 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, the cold air makes its way down in the southeast. this huge temperature drop makes its way through. heavy rain will be there. more importantly, the cold air, the temperatures drop another 20 degrees by tomorrow. it felt so good for like a day, right? >> it will be back. >> it will be back. >> the roller coaster continues. >> i like the positive attitude.
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the deep sea search for flight 370 is ramping up once again today with the bluefin-21, undert water drone ready for its second mission. this comes after monday's search was aborted after the vehicle completed less than a third of its intended search. joining me to discuss at the map david gallo, co-leader for the search for air france 447 and director of special projects at the institution. good morning once again. let's talk about what happened yesterday and what we can learn from that. let's put up the animation which can show how the bluefin-21 was depl deployed. wi the whole point is theyn't weighed it to be 30 meters off the ocean floor. then they had to abort because it went to a depth further than -- past its max depth.
did this surprise you? >> well, that kind of thing happens. you try to be aware of that if you've got an accurate base map to begin with. >> which is our first problem, we don't have an accurate base map, right? >> if they've got one, we haven't seen it. when the floor takes the dive, so does the vehicle and the vehicle goes, oh, no, i'm not supposed to be here and punch it out. >> what did you learn from yesterday's search, the aborted search. it was only down there -- the whole trip was 7 1/2 hours. how do you adjust today? >> their tactics are going to be important, having looked at where else in that area they can look. i guess they're moving to an area that they're more confident. >> let's take a look at some of the topography that the bluefin-21 could be coming up against. i want to get your take on really what this means for the search. first, is the issue of landslides. this was actually surprising po to me. i didn't noland slides could occur in the mountain floor.
>> some of the mountains are beneath the sea. mr there's a plateau that has that kind of thing which is near to where they're working. >> is there a way to anticipate that? >> again, you start with a good base map and preliminary work and you work from there. you plan layer on layer getting progressively more detail over time. >> the next kind of topography and its challenges. the issue of trencheses or canyons under water. >> sure. >> that seems like that could be a real challenge for the bluefin-21. >> sure. >> what would it do? >> if the vehicle is tracking along watching ahead for obstacles and walls are closing in on it, by the time it realizes it and tries to come up and rise up, it may be too late. you can collide with a steep scarf. >> how do you plan for that? you don't want that to happen to such an important piece of machinery. >> the machine you say to the robot, if you come in counter
with a steep wall, climb quickly because sometimes they're programmed to climb gently but get out of there. again, it's going to start with a very good base map and plan about how to attack that area. >> that just soms from pure analysis of what they have. >> and experience of the team, people analyzing it, that have worked here in this kind of terrain before will know how to do those things. >> let's move on to the last -- the third opgtion of topography. more of a rolling hill or a rolling bottom. >> sure. >> this is what angus houston says at one point he believes is the most likely here at this area. what do you think? >> again, it depends on this map. if he's got a map that's not incredibly detailed and done from the surface by a ship it might look all rolling. but by experience being down there by terrain it could have gullies and mounds and all sorts of things that can be trouble for a robot. >> david, what is it about being 30 meters off of the ocean floor that is -- makes it maybe the
best spot to be? why is that the spot? >> anyone who has tried to put a couple of photos to the wants them to be about the same size. if you come off the floor, higher up than the floor, the beam gets wider to either side. p you come closer to the floor, it narrows in. you want to stay 30 meters so when you put the strips together of the seafloor they all match. it's easier to do. more consistent. >> trying to take a panoramic photos with your iphone. >> you know you zoom in or zoom out you've got a problem at the end. that's right. same thing. >> much more high tech panoramic photo. good thing i'm not doing it. david, thanks so much. we'll have you back later in the show. michaela? more of your headlines now. ukraine's interim president says anti-terrorist operation is under way as pro-russian groups continue to occupy government buildings in the east. the u.s. accuses moscow of smacking those separatist groups. russian president vad min putlan
denied it. a major shake-up at general motors. two top executives leaving the company in the massive recall of 2.6 million cars. bengle and melissa how well were both senior vice presidents. their departures are not related to the recall of several models with defective ignition switches linked to 13 deaths. gm for its part has not said whether they resigned or whether they were dismissed. a federal judge in cincinnati might stay the rule that ohio recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. he asked lawyers on both sides to file their arguments by this afternoon. if he does stay the ruling only the four gay couples who sued the state would have their unions recognized as the case is appealed. ohio voters ban same-sex marriage some ten years ago. those are your headlines at this hour. >> thanks. let's take a break here on "new day." when we come back, ukraine is on the brink. protests on the inside, pressure
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welcome to "new day." tensions are boiling over in ukraine. this morning western leaders including president obama are urging russia to help bring the crisis to an end. all the while, looks like they're doing exactly the opposite. russia, that is. now, joining me at the map is retirld army major general spider marks. always a pleasure. >> good morning. >> let's deal with one external point here. i don't even think it's conjecture that russia is behind what's going on inside ukraine. the question is, why isn't anybody exposed the canard? russia has unmarked men who are clearly under their control by all the reports on the ground. creating civil strife. calling on the west and the u.s. to fix it. and why isn't the west and the u.s. calling them out on it and saying this is all about you, why is this being so subtle?
>> i don't understand it. this is clearly instigated. this is not organic. what's taking place in ukraine is not organic. this is not ukrainians that are pro russia rising up saying this is an injustice that we're a part of this democratic society called ukraine. this is instigated by russia. that is a very fair assumption. all of our activities moving forward should be based off that assumption. >> my sources say the u.s. and the west have to play the game because they don't have an answer yet. let's go through the detail of the situation. >> let's talk about the possible answers could be. >> a great example, almost a metaphor of the agitation going on here, animation of the ship. you have the uss ship out there if and this russian fighter jet doesn't buzz because that's a technical term that it would be going over the actual ship but it's 1,000 feet off who the port soid and it keeps looping around this ship taunting it. what's that all snbt. >> it's all about trying to figure out what the united states rules of engagement look like for this ship in the black sea. this is very, very precise.
this is instigated. this was not serendipitous on the part of the pilot. he's trying to figure out what the collection capabilities are. in terms of intelligence, what type of radar return, how is this being painted. the russians are trying to decide on the tactical point what are the rules of engagement. the answer is, no, however, putin is pushing both at the tactical level to gather intelligence and strategic level to see what the gumption is. >> talk about gumption. it's one thing to push around politicians but he knows he cannot push around the u.s. military. >> cannot. >> what are the mot hhot spots? >> we've got russian forces that are training here 40,000 of 24ethem right across the border. in 2003 and 2002 what did the united states do before they went into iraq? gave up strategic surprise.
we were there. we said we're coming. this is what's happening right now. there are also some forces, special forces, a new location, has been identified here. we think those are the folks are involved in activities that are taking place here right now in terms of some of the government buildings that have already been taken over by these forces on the ground, these masked men that aren't marked. this is the disposition, if you will, of activity right now. >> you didn't have to be tactical genius to know what they're doing is they're coming in major points of entry and they're in the biggest ethnic regions. >> absolutely. chris, if you'll, since crimea has been annexed, what russia has been doing forever since the black sea fleet is located down here, is they have a line of communications that runs from this location all of the way down to crimea. that's been used for years to re-enforce, to bring supplies, to bring personnel, to bring kit down to the black sea fleet. so they can drive these vehicles
and under the radar pop all these guys out as they are en route. >> this looks like a big risk board. when you're playing this game and you get me on three sides i have a problem. >> you do. >> the question is, going forward, can the u.s. do anything until it really shows that the u.s. in the west is going to help these people in here fight back? don't they have to show they're going to do that to make differ to the russians? >> absolutely. what the united states still has is freedom of action along all the elements of power. we're looking at the sanctions. s those have to be tightened up. there needs to be a plus-up of naval forces, nato forces available. >> nato. >> nato forces led by the united states available to react and respond, increase in terms of air cape its that can be prepositioned under normal
exercise article v type activities in support of nato activities. then ground forces have to be plussed up. the united states, as you recall, has been downsized in europe. we have 8 nations in nato that need to move up and start taking their military ground forces out of garrison and start to train. >> ukraine not a nato protected under the treaty but they could extend it to this type of civil strife. it's going to be interesting. the ruble are dropping. people are divesting in russia. >> nothing has poked this to move it off its intended path right now. >> spider, thank you for laying it down for us. kate? coming up next on "new day," one year ago today, twin bombings at the boston marathon killed three people and wounded hundreds more. in the aftermath, we heard from a heartbroken woman who had lost her granddaughter. a year later she's now sharing an inspiring message of peace and love.
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it was one year ago today, two homemade bombs ripped through the finish line of the boston marathon killing three and injuring nearly 300 others. one who was taken, 29-year-old krystle campbell, just days after her death we sat down with krystle's grandmother lillian who told us of this angel in her
life. monday on the eve of this somber anniversary we sat down with her again. here is grandma lillian. >> 2013 boston marathon champion. >> reporter: april 15th, 2013, started as a perfect day for one of the boston's most loved traditions, marathon monday. spectators lining the streets, cheering on more than 23,000 runners. but four hours, nine minutes into the race -- back-to-back explosions tearing through coakley square, causing chaos and panic. >> something just blew up. >> reporter: the attack tons people here have been felt in boston, in this state, around the country, and the world. >> reporter: the disbelief of what happened turning to grim reality as the identities of those lost in the attack were revealed. >> we found out the name of a second victim who died in the terrorist at tack here, krystle campbell of medford,
massachusetts. she was just 29 years old. >> reporter: but krystle campbell was so much more than a name to everyone who loved her. >> there she is now. she's a beautiful girl. how could you not love her. >> reporter: a love you could clearly see in the face of her grandmother lillian whom we met just days after the bombing. how do you make sense of this? >> i don't. i don't make any sense of it at all. i can't believe it happened. i can't believe it. i won't even accept it now and i'm sitting here with you. i'm having a hard time when i see her on the tv. it's killing me inside. >> reporter: now almost a year to the day later, we met with lillian again, same house, same couch. >> yep, there was the last christmas we all had together. >> reporter: the passing year has done little to temp ter the
loss. >> how often do you think of her? >> all the time, every day. >> as the nana you're not supposed to have favorites, right? you're supposed to love them all equally. >> yeah. but you don't. >> you don't? >> twrz hard to do that. >> there was something special about krystle? >> oh, yes. from the day she arrived here because she -- she was born upstairs. >> in this house? >> on the third floor. >> and you always had a special bond? >> oh, yes, definitely. >> she used to make everything okay. >> yep. she did. she had that special -- i don't know what it is, that special thing at her. you know? and you felt happy around her because she was always laughing and bubbly. i loved her. >> reporter: some moments stand out. the tearful statement given by krystle's mother. >> this doesn't make any sense. she was the best. >> reporter: krystle's wake
attended by thousands. and the gazebo named for her by the restaurant where she used to work. how do you keep her memory alive? how do you keep her with you? >> i got her out at dining room on my buffet there, all her pictures are on there. >> so you can go there and look and remember? >> every day i come through the roomy see her. >> reporter: wanting revenge against the bombers would be understandable, but not for grandma lillian. >> when they came out with this part about the death sentence and i said, well, i really don't care what they do with them because whatever they do, it's not going to bring her back. and it's not going to make it any easier, so i wouldn't wish anybody dead, anybody has a right to live. i like everybody to have a good life and be happy if they can. >> even after what he did.
>> even after what he did. >> reporter: for lillian, remembering her granddaughter means remembering the advice she would have given her. >> krystle wouldn't want me to shed no tears or nothing. she was that type, don't -- don't do it, nana, she would say. come on. get up. we got to get going. >> do you ever go visit krystle where you guys buried her? >> no, i haven't. >> in your heart, is that where krystle is, where she's buried -- >> oh, no, she's upstairs. she's looking down. in fact, one day we were here in the summer before god called, a big rainbow came out right over my house and my back porch, i said, that's krystle looking down at us. and i honestly believe that. every time the rainbow came, that's krystle looking over us. i believe that. >> grandma lillian says it, i believe it, too.
and there are so many families who are hurting. when one is taken, so many feel the loss. but the idea of how you move on and how you recognize it was loss so you can recognize the intensity of it, i just think lillian does such a beautiful job of displaying both the pain but also the perseverance. >> i'm sure you were when you were sitting there with her, aren't you just blown away with how she may look frail in stature but she's so strong. she has no bitterness, no real anger towards the people who did this. >> it would be understandable, too. when you lose somebody you want retribution, you want justice, you want somebody to pay. . she doesn't feel that way. it's really powerful. really powerful. >> more powerful than the anger would be. >> yeah. i think that she kind of taps into something that's very real up there in boston right now. they want the two people responsible for this to be irrelevant, to disappear. >> yeah. >> i don't think she cares so much what the sentence is.
but she just wants it to be done in a way so that nobody gives anys a tension to it. they should not exist. all that should exist are the memories whose lives who were taken. it was so great to see her again. >> she looks great. >> she's doing well. but she feels a lot of pain. this kid, this 29-year-old, she went and lived with her grandmother when her grandmother got sick. she went and visited her all the time. she went above and beyond. she was a special person to a lot of people. as lillian says, the world doesn't know what was lost when krystle was taken. >> reminder when the tragedy like this happens, at some point life moves on but it changes these families forever. it's important to remember them. >> thanks for introducing us to grandma lily. >> it was a pleasure going up there. great lady. all right. we have new developments in the aerch for flight 370 and watching the tension in ukraine closely, so let's go. just six hours into its
mission the bluefin-21 surfaced. >> it went from 4500 meter, aborted the mission. >> violent protests continue to sweep eastern ukraine. >> there are for this kind of behavior. oscar pistorius continuing to proclaim his innocence on the final day of the prosecution's cross-examination. >> melee difficu. today what we're going to see is a tribute of the city coming together to pay their respects. good morning. welcome back to "new day." it is tuesday, april 15, tax day. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. and the search crews for malaysia airline flight 370 will try again to go deep today. they're hoping to relaunch the bluefin-21 under water dproen into the indian ocean. yesterday the search had to be cut short after the sub went too deep beyond its capabilities. new questions are also being focused today on the copilot, a u.s. official says his cellphone
was on as the plane vanished. er rir mclaughlin is live from perth, australia. erin? >> reporter: good morning, chris. we're hearing new details about the bluefin-21's first mission. it was some 7 1/2 hours into the water when it was forced to resurface. it covered only some 29% of that 15 square mile area. ed an area that authorities say they believe is the most probable place to find the black box based on detailed analysis of the pings, the four acoustic detections that had been detected earlier. now, we understand that the bluefin-21 went down beneath the hours scouring the underwater area. when it came across deep t water, too deep for it to handle, deeper than it had been designed to handle, rather, and was forced to resurface. now, technicians have been
analyzing the data it did manage to require. it says that no objects of interest had been found. we understand that it is currently aboard the ocean shield. bad weather preventing it from being put back into the water. chris? >> thank you for the reporting. let's bring in cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation mary schiavo and cnn safety analyst and former faa inspector david soucie, author of "why planes cra crash." let's start with what is not a surprise and then go with what is a surprise. what's not a surprise is that the bluefin encountered depps that were beyond is capability. fair assessment? >> fair. >> because we don't know what is the bottom of the ocean here, it hasn't been mapped. this is an unchartered mission. >> yep. just speculation as to how deep it was in the first place. yeah. >> all right. so, mary, the question becomes, how do you move forward? you calibrate the bluefin to make it go deeper but that is going to be limited. what are the steps ahead? >> well, if the bluefin cannot
bring back the kind of sewn no graphic images they want they're going to have to move on to the next level of vehicles with names like alvin, remora and the sea dragon and those can go deeper. the sea dragon can go down to 4.4 mile or 7,000 meters. and that's the next step that you have to do is go down to the level in a different kind of vehicle. however, the indication from the australians is that once they -- and the u.s. navy -- is that once they recalibrate they will be able to perhaps redeploy the bluefin-21 and get better i images, get it go to deep, et cetera. >> i hear the same thing. they say they're focusing on the bluefin even though they have other deeper capabilities because they want the sonars, as david was saying earlier, because they don't know what's really down there. visibly it's too dark. there's a big silt factor. they're going to try to stick
with the bluefin. that makes sense. does it make sense to you that they are now really putting a sea state on searching for debris in this surrounding area? >> you know, i think so. you mean -- >> not giving up hope, it's not quitting. >> no, i don't think that it is. i think they've got to focus everything they have on that local area. but as far as why they're continuing or why they're not on the debris it's probably so spread out, remember, the reason we started that, the primary reason of doing the debris search is to hone in on where they think the primary impact point is, or the scatter point. there's not a -- there are clues you can get from floating debris but the real answers, what we want to know why this happened, those answers are where it hit the water, where it is. not in the debris itself. so, you know, a t this point the debris eventually will show up somewhere but there's not -- the a-ha moment from the floating debris typically. it's usually from what we find in the black backes or the bottom of the water. >> fair point, someone said to
me who understands what's going on with the investigation. you know, the urgency is on your part, media. obviously somewhat on the families. but you have to remember we're not trying to find people trapped in an air bubble. this is going to take time and we want to do it right. year not going to rush because mistakes get made that way. fair? >> fair. and based on past accidents and crashes into the ocean as we've said many times for air france it was too year for the java sea, crashed in january. they got the black boxes in august. so these things can take a fair amount of time. but i do think -- what david said. i want to emphasize on the search for the debris. i also think there's just a fair amount of the australians saying we are not going to lead any stone unturned. i don't think there's much chance they're going to get any debris, any wreckage floating on the ocean at this point, near the crash area. but i do think that the australians want to have, when they are done with this investigation, an absolutely
tidy, nothing left untried investigation. and you know, that's pretty good for the families. >> let's get to the sloppiness issue. all right? mapping the bottom of the ocean. hard. finding this thing in 15,000 feet. very difficult. time consuming. knowing whether or not cellphones were used on the plane, not difficult. so why is a u.s. official coming forward now saying, oh, yeah, there was a cellphone that was picked up, the signal. it turns out it was the copilot. how do the malaysians not know this? >> it was a peek into how the investigation started. it really is looking into what it is they did the first time. they cleared the passengers and then they didn't clear the passengers. it's been back and forth and back and forth. it goes back to communications again. you look at how angus houston is handling this investigation. he's not making conclusions. he's not saying we know this because of this. he's saying this is what we know. and he stops there. he stops short there. that's investigation 101. communications 101. when you're in front of the
public and dealing with the families it's unfair to say this is my conclusion from the information. >> we don't know is they picked up other cellphones and what we also don't know, mary, probably more importantly to avoid conjecture is why it was on. could have made a mistake opposed to it just being on for intentional purposes and use. >> the u.s. federal aviation administration, where we had probably some of the strictest rules about turning the cellphones off until a couple of months ago, the faa said during that time period they did a study and they found perhaps as many as 30% of cellphones during any given flight were left on. they fall asleep and that's it. >> all we know is that was on. we don't know why. we know the rumor pill is going to go crazy on this. as far as we know so far it was on. we don't know if it had neg anyg to do with the trajectory or the altitude of the plane but all we know is that it was on and they should have said that sooner. >> and they should have been able to say they looked at the
238 other people on the plane and that checked for their cellphones. granted, some of them are the anonymous cellphones that can't be traced, but not everyone on that cellphone had anonymous cellphone. release with the information of the co-pilot cellphone should have been the information about the 238 other cellphones likely on that plane. >> we wait to hear about that. the luck with the bluefin going down and the analysis on the oil spill. mar rir mary, david, thank you. anti-terrorist operation is under way as pro-russian groups defy kiev's demand to leave government buildings in some ten different eastern cities. the west accuses russia of backing those groups, suggesting it's a prey tetext for military incursion. a claim russia denies. cnn's phil black is joining us now from eastern ukraine. so, phil, there was an ultimatum
and deadline that came and passed. no real evidence of this action by the ukrainian military. what about today? >> well, they say they're launching a small-scale gradual operation today, kate, but the reality is up until this point the ukrainian government has not been able to stop these pro-russian groups from consolidating their hold key infrastructure. now asking for an international peacekeeping force to step in and put a stop to it. even with the threat of a military crackdown, violent protests continue to sweep eastern ukraine. russia extending far beyond ukraine's borders. ukraine's acting president now calling on the united nations to send peacekeepers to help subdue the violence with 40,000 russian troops just across the border, russian officials reject accusations that the
demonstrations are a deliberate attempt to destabilize ukraine. this was the scene, more than 100 pro russian separatists swarming a police station. the police chief forced out and beaten. a demonstrator injured. another key building and yet another eastern ukrainian city overtaken. tensions between the u.s. and russia are growing after a russian fighter jet made 12 close-range passes near an american warship in the black sea on saturday. the pentagon calling the 90-minute close encounter provocative and unprofessional. >> reporter: kate, there's a big challenge that means this peacekeeping idea likely won't get off the ground. sending in an international force like this usually requires approval from the united nations security council. that's where risussia has a vet.
what ukraine is admitting in suggesting this idea is that it still needs more practical international support to stop this country from breaking up and to deal with the threat it still believes is coming from mas moscow. >> it seems clear they do know they do not have the capability to do it on their own at this point. let's fwling cnn's chief international correspondent christiane amanpour for more on this. as we are looking at phil's piece we're seeing some violence, some activity. you talk to ukraine's ambassador to the united nations about these raids. what does he say? >> well, everybody is wondering when are they going to happen. he said they are happening in a limited way and indeed some movement has been reported in this regard. what he told me yesterday is that we are trying to do it in a correct way. we don't want to explode any more violence and bloodshed. we don't want to be responsible for russia saying, hang on, you're causing violence. we're going to come in and protect them. >> feared by everyone. >> what ch is what russia is trying to do, stirring up,
stirring up the trouble. and it is setting itself up potentially for a pretext to make an incursion. but inside these buildings that ambassador told me are women and children as well. outside the buildings are what he described as peaceful demonstrators as well as the militants. and therefore it is very difficult for the ukrainians because you've got the russian, president putin, the russian ambassador to the united in public basically saying if there's any violence it's your fault, ergo, we're going to come in and deal with it. they're stirring up the violence and saying they're daring and defying anyone to try to tamp down the violence. so it's very, very complex situation at the moment. >> which then when you say that it makes sense that kiev is asking for u.n. peacekeepers. >> as phil said, that's a nonstarter. this is a situation whereby russia does a have veto and that is unlikely to happen. you know, what you have right now is the secretary general of nato has just spoken to the press, having meetings. the top military commander of
nato has presented plans and options to the nato alliance, to the government, which involve more air surveillance, more fighter combat patrols over the air -- over there. >> suggest -- >> ground forces and ground exercises. this is a very key element that if the governments decide to do it that could ramp up a signal, at least a signal to moscow that we're not just going to sit back and take this. >> to be clear that is not taking a step towards western military involvement. >> no. >> that's a show of support. >> right. it's not just support, it's a show of strength to say that, you know, mr. putin, you want to buzz our ship, for instance, in the black sea, you're not going to get away with this kind of thing. i think putin is trying to read what the west is going to do about what's going on as well as his big strategic component here is he wants to shape the future government of ukraine. many of these forces, the 40,000 plus, are not there on training
exercises. they are not. they are there to put pressure and to have the option to move in if he decides to do that. but to put pressure on ukraine to have a friendly government. in terms of political solution, the ambassador told me yesterday and importantly a russian member of parliament, it is probably going to be something like that demand for a referendum, a more federal, looser kind of control in eastern part of ukraine that may or may not satisfy the russians. >> i think many are wondering, as putin again continues to deny any intervention in ukraine, the united states -- >> nonsense. shouldn't be repeating this because it's nonsense. the fact that president obama and president putin can have a conversation and have precisely this kind of war of words really and nobody is speaking honestly on a conversation between two leaders in a crisis so hot such as this, it's just -- defies logic really. it does. it makes you wonder how there could be some way out of this.
>> that's what i was thinking. >> putin is lying. >> can we realistically expect there can be a solution? >> there's going to be talks on thursday, allegedly, four-party talks, russia, ukraine, the west, u.s., all of those involved. whether this idea of a referendum or some kind of de-escalation gains ground there we'll wait to see. but russia keeps saying don't you do anything to interfere with what we're doing otherwise we might pull out of the talks. they have got the world by the diplomatic short and curlies. trying to hold the world hostage and they are trying to have it their own way. and one of the ways they are able to do this is by completely and utterly controlling the message. they have their own state-run television, which is truly peddling lies right now, lies. total lies. and they have taken off all independent television and media. they did it in crimea and they're starting to do that in this. following the same script they per for the record in crimea
which is happening now. >> it happened in crimea. >> yeah. >> and it could work here. >> the question is what the is putin's goal here. >> which no one quite yet knows. >> pressure, pressure, pressure. >> wait for the talk. it's difficult to say we wait for the talks because that seems to be -- >> thursday, we'll see if there's a breakthrough on thursday. meantime, today and tomorrow, nato nations are going to decide whether they have more mull tear exercises on the ground in those nato countries. >> christiane, great to see you. thank you. all right. let's look at more of your headlines at this hour but quarter past the hour. federal prosecutors will file hate crime charges against frazier glenn cross. she t he is the 73-year-old man accuse of opening fire killing three people on sunday. the charges carry the possibility of a death sentence. cross is a former grand dragon of the cku klux klan and expectd
of targeting jews although none of the victims were jewish. a news conference will be later today. today marks the city of boston marks a solemn, solemn anniversary. one years since the bombings that ripped through the finish line of the boston marathon killing three people, injuring more than 260. vice president joe biden will attend a memorial service in boston paying tribute to the victims and to first we responders. a moment of silence will be held at 2:49 p.m. eastern, the very moment the first bomb went off. the 2014 boston marathon is scheduled for next monday. i want to 140e yshow you wh severe weather did in the south. high winds tore through a camp ground on the mississippi coast. 50 rv trailers were flipped over. thankfully only two people were reportedly injured. their injuries are noter is use, we're told. meteorologists do not think this is a tornado. it was straight line winds. about 50 miles per hour. the destructive force of mother
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cross-examination of oscar pistorius has come to and. the blade runner never wavering from the story that he shot his girlfriend by mistake. the prosecution slam that claim at every turn. today pistorius broke down saying he's not sure who is to blame. what will that mean? cnn's robin is joining us. how does that play in the courtroom, he doesn't know who is to blame? >> at one point the prosecutor putting it to him, you know, who is to blame is reeva to blame, is the government to blame? at one point he thought he was stopping short of saying is it the tooth fairy, is it father christmas? he was being quite sarcastic. either say, soon after that, oscar pistorius stood down, after a very short re-examination. i must say it's been seven days on the stand. he's looked increasingly exhaust exhausted, hollow eyed. i suppose with good reason because there's been really
mixed legal reaction to his performance on the stand. >> screaming reeva, reeva. >> reporter: oscar pistorius continuing to proclaim his innocence. on the final day of the prosecution's cross-examination. >> as i was overcome with terror and despair. >> reporter: the prosecution asking crucial question questions. why would pistorius open fire on the bathroom door if all he heard was the magazine rack move from inside. >> why would you fire if the magazine rack moves? >> i thought it was the door openings, my lady. >> no, you said you thought it was the magazine rack. >> i said, i think it was the magazine rack. in retrospect it could have only been the magazine rack. >> reporter: the prosecution doingedly pressing the athlete on why he stopped screaming after he broke down the door and found his girlfriend model reeva steencamp bloody and barely breathing. >> now seeing her for the first time that your panic would not
have been at its greatest when you saw her through the broken door. >> when i saw reeva there i was broken, i was overcome with a bunch of sadness. >> reporter: pistorius says shooting reeva was a tragic mistake. the prosecution asking who then should be held responsible. >> who should be blamed for you having shot her? >> my lady, i believed that there was a threat that was on my life. >> the defense bringing the olympian back on the stand. >> did you consciously pull the trigger or not. >> my lady, i didn't think about pulling the trigger. >> he shot and killed her in the early hours of february 14st over a year ago. the defense making him read his valentine's day card allowed. >> i think today is a good day to tell you that and then it says i love you. >> what's interesting about that card and the valentine's day present which was a series of
photos of the two couples together, was at that the police didn't consider it important enough as evidence, only submitted by the defense as evidence today, exhibit hhh. and, of course, reeva's last message, at least for oscar pistorius and his team, is very important, because it paints them as a loving couple right to the end. >> this isn't over yet. robyn, thank you very much, live in pretoria, for us, south africa. last night you may have been lucky enough to catch a spectacular event in the skys. a lunar eclipse turned the monday crimson red. meteorologist indra petersons has been looking closer at this rare blood moon. tell us more. >> it was a total lunar eclipse. that means the moon was completely in the shadow of the earth. so why red? right? let's look a it t another way. let's pretend we spin your around and pretend you're on the moon looking back at the earth. so what are you seeing? you're seeing all the ate's
sunsets and sun rises at the same time you project it right back at the moon and the moon reflects the red color back to earth. that's why it looks red. let's see what people saw, shall we? if you were in michigan and had clearer conditions one of the better places to view. gorgeous shot. we'll show you another one. looks like the next shot is from dallas, texas. kind of a little bit of a different phase. and then the third one here looks like from florida. still, really anywhere in the entire u.s. they were able to see this. keep in mind it's one of four that we'll see in the next year and a half. we're getting used to this. last time was 2003. 2004. 300-year span they saw none. what did i see? the same thing cuomo saw, nothing today, buildings and cloud cover. not so beautiful here in new york city but a lot of you got luckier. >> another reason it is good to live in midwest. i will give you that today. my husband will, too. >> exactly. >> thanks, indra. coming up on "new day," can
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the flight for malaysian airlines 370 ramping up again p the bluefin-21 underwater drone going back into the indian ocean today. monday's shortened search found no objects of interest. also, a u.s. official revealing the co-pilot's cellphone was on at about the time the flight vanished from radar. tensions escalating in ukraine with government forces poised to face-off with separatist groups occupying buildings in ten eastern cities. western powers accusing russia, a claim moscow denies. nato's secretary general this morning called on russia to de-escalate the crisis and pull back 40,000 russian troops from ukraine's eastern border. in boston today, a time to mourn and a time to remember as the city marks the first anniversary of the deadly marathon bombings. three people were killed more than 260 injured. today a memorial service will honor the fallen and the first responders who showed the world what it means to be boston strong. vice president biden will be in
attendance. a moment of violence is scheduled for 2:49 p.m. eastern, the time of the first bomb blast. our hearts will be there with them. >> i got my boston strong bracelet on. get them for you guys as well. it's going to be great there today to remember what t matters and then next week will be something special. >> yeah. let's get to inside politics on "new day" with john king. few people understand boston strong as well as you, j.k. it was an honor to be up there with you. i hope i'm up there with you again next week. >> let's add the "er to it, boston stronger. let's reflect on the tough year. i'll certainly do that. let's go inside politics. a lot of ground to cover. let's pick up on president obama trying to diffuse the crisis in you krein. let's start there with me this morning to share the reporting and their insights, julie pace of the associated press, jonathan martin of the "new york times." you cover the white house. the president speaks with putin on the phone yet again yesterday. the readout sounds tough.
saying obama and putin talked. obama, it was frank and direct. the president made clear the diplomatic path was open and our preferred way ahead but russia's actions are noot there consistent with or conducive to that. including the pentagon saying a russian jet essentially buzzing a u.s. naval vessel. does the white house see a way out in the short term or weeks or months? >> there's a lot of tough talk happening but if you look at the options available to le t wthe house and the options they have taken so far it's clear they don't see a short-term solution to this. they are sanctioning individuals. people who are close to vladimir putin but stopping well short of doing the larger sector sanctions which are sanctions that could really bite, really have an impact on the russian economy and what they're watching are these 40,000 troops on the eastern ukraine border. as long as those troops are there, the white house sees this as a very serious situation. >> not much he can do, jonathan. there's nobody in america who supports or think there is a viable military option. the white house would like the european to do more.
is there a risk for president kredilitiwise, being tough, drawing lines. what can he do? >> not much he can do. even on the economic front, the business community has a pretty significant amount of interest in russia. so if we go further on that front that could bite us here, too, domestically. it's a bit of a challenge. >> i want to move on to the domestic challenge for the president and the democrats this election year, trying to defend it, could say now maybe bragging at obamacare. here's my question. is cbo, congressional budget office, yesterday came out with new numbers, yes, obamacare is expense i've but less than they thought by about $104 billion over 10 years. that's a decent junk of change. they got the enrollment numbers up, 7 million plus medicaid. where is the super pac to say, hey, republicans were wrong, we got the enrollment up, it's not as expensive as we thought. why won't democrats to say in this tough environment the only
way to change it is to go on offense? >> i answered that same question now for a few weeks. i think it's because they would rather still change the subject. now, when does that fact change itself? >> republicans won't let them change the subject. the conservative super pacs are running ads saying the bad weather is obamacare's fault, the traffic jam is obamacare's fault. >> you would think you have a stack of good news here to see an opening. we've seen one super pac ad in alaska talking about the case of one lady who is now able to get coverage even though she had cancer before. that's an element in the affordable care act. in terms of the expansion of coverage and the cost of the law, we're not hearing anything from democrats. >> one thing white house officials are talking to with the committees, dcsc in ploor is having coop that da target the outreach on health care. sending mailers to women in ploor, to young people who could benefit from the health care
law. not sort of the wide ranging statewide ads on health care but more targeted outreach to people. >> hard to do in such a loud environment against it. >> one fast note, independence, the polling is rough there. >> can you change it? if you don't try to change it you won't change it. let's focus on our business a little bit. "washington post," team of reporters there, guardian newspaper winning pulitzer prizes yesterday for essentially publishing stories about stolen information. edward snowden stole information. there's no question he broke the law. some people say he's a hero. pete king, the congressman republican from new york saying awarding the pulitzer to snowden and enablers is a disgrace. there's no question this will impact journalism. >> probably the biggest story of last year. there are a lot of people in washington though who say that this was an pulitzer awarded to the publishers it was edward snowden, the object of great
scorn at the white house and capitol hill. he put out a statement after the awards yesterday basically saying what a great award this was for these reporters who did such great, great work. for people who support snowden they see this as vind kagsz ica what he did. >> forcing a change in policy whether you like it or not. >> the journalism done off of it is lasting, still going on. let's come book. democrats are reluctant to fight about obamacare. one dynamic in this election year. another is anti-incumbent sentiment. moist are saying talk about your roots in your state, talking about something personal, talk about local policy. but don't brag about your power in washington. an exception, mary landrieu, one of the most vulnerable democrats. she has a new ad on television saying she has stood up to the president and if you re-elect her she will be a chairwoman and use her power more. >> now is the new chairman of the energy committee? >> do you think there are a
bunch of fairy godmothers out there who just wave the magic wand? >> she holds the most powerful position in the senate in louisiana. >> that's the message we told to the president. >> smart? only card she has? >> probably the best card she has to play. it's talking about what she's doing for what is the key interest in the state of louisiana. and i think it's the kind of thing that she's going to have to talk about if she expects to win and push back against a one-note campaign against her which is obama, obama, obama. >> she does the combo there. she says she's fighting obama but she's fighting for a position of power. again, a lot of consultants would say don't brag you have strength in washington right now. >> sure. except in louisiana the energy seccer there is so important to that state's any and you need to have power in washington to influence those policies. she might have a positive message there in terms of running against obama. i say in the white house they would much rather have her running against obama now and
stay in the senate pthan attach herself and lose. going back to new york, chelsea clinton telling fast company i live in a city and state and country where i support my elected representatives. if at some point that weren't the case and i didn't support my mayor or city councilwoman or congress mom or senators then i would have to ask the question for myself, not run for office, run for office in four, five, six, eight, ten, years? >> that's running from the question, i think. >> good answer. politician kate balduan. >> we all know that is far from the truth, john king. >> let me tell you, being raised in a political family you know how not to answer a question. but you know, i think at this point let's just say she's aside from the realm of relevant for now. >> thanks, john. >> take care. coming up next on "new day," the bluefin-21 going back down into the deep today. looking for any sign of flight 370. but it seems like we can get
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the submersible side-scanning sonar. they want to map the bottom of the ocean. we know though this is meticulous and slow process. what exactly is the bluefin seeing down there? a man who knows this very well is david gallo. he is the co-leader in the search for air france 447, director of special projects of woods whole oceanographic institution. you are the guy who talk to. you brought some images for us. i want to show you this. people are probably wondering what this image is. tell us. this is an image taken by bluefin. >> looking down. this is made with maybe one pass, maybe a couple of passes. you can see the shape of a ship, the stern, the bow and two ships together. >> they collided. some sort of investigation. >> i believe this is a case where ships hit each other, sank together. the different colors represent intensities. so maybe something that's shallower or closer to the sonar itself. >> could we expect then that -- and how quickly would we expect
than vest gators could get something of this detail if the bluefin spot something down below? >> right away but they're not looking for something quite this big. as big as a ship. so it would be a smaller, maybe piece or half the size of this. >> let's move on to looking at this. i want to 14show you this becau we talked about the sonar side-scanning technology. this illustrates it well. >> it does. >> what are we looking at here? >> looking a t a pass of the vehicle. the vehicle is going from -- you're looking down. that torpedo shape is move that way sending out beams. every second, ping, ping, ping. little by little, line by line, builds up this image. when you see bright like that bright reflection. that means it's close. here's a shadow. you can get a lot of information out of a strip like that. >> again, this strip in the middle is very important to explain. why is that being shown this way? >> side scan. the vehicle is sending out that fan of sound to either side and it leaves a gap beneath the
vehicle. >> this is the gap that is not record sgloug need to fill that gap up because sometimes what you're looking for may be in the gap. sometimes they overlap the tracks. >> is that also why they have to have it not right on the surface, that it has to be sort of hovering above? >> partly right. the closer you get you can close the gap more but then you start to lose the edges. you want to find -- decide what am i looking for and make it optimal for that. >> there are ways to t account for that gap. >> yes. >> moving on to this. you were involved in the titanic expedition and this is an image. tell us what we're looking at. i want to give you an opportunity to draw and show us the detail here. >> we used the rema 6,000 vehicles. blik the bluefin. >> same technology. >> go to 6,000 meters. a little bit deeper than the bluefin. we had three of them when we found air france 447. we used two on titanic. you can see the seams the vehicles go up and down. a mile or so long and -- or across. those are the vehicles.
the titanic broke in two. this was 102 years ago today that it sank. that's the bow, this is the stern inside here. separated by about six football fields. this is a debris field. classic debris field. a lot of rubble. to the trained eye you notice there's something very different here. >> how can you tell? the trained eye, how can you differentiate between rock and settlement? >> this is a shadow behind it. some of the things are shadows. look at these things. we've talked about this and you noticed those before. those look like they don't fit the natural background. in fact, pieces of titaniitanic >> just a closer look. >> closer look at the bow. >> last but not least i want to show this. once the mapping is done they're going to send in a different type of technology. >> right. >> it has a camera attached. >> go from sound to using light, to using a camera. best resolution. >> this is the picture that was taken of the titanic? >> this was done with the remora
operated by phoenix and can be expected to use to recover the black boxes. >> is that data immediately sent? is it a series of digital images? >> it's a long process because you see each one of these is one frame and there's maybe 100 frames inside there. that's the whole bow of titanic where the bow broke in half. the tip where king of the world, way up inside there trk mass, the grand staircase. it takes a lot of processing to be able to put together a mosaic like this. >> david gallo, thank you. appreciate it. chris? all right. coming up on "new day," rebecca gregory and pete demortino. both injured in the boston attack but today they are proof that love conquers all. the newlyweds will join us live. (vo) you are a business pro.
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welcome back. one year ago today rebecca gregory and her boyfriend pete dimartino were at the finish line of the boston marathon when the bombs went off. her leg seriously injured. endured six surgeries. pete's achilles tendon, nearly destroyed. april 4th, overcame it all walking down the aisle, recipients of the knots 2014 dream wedding. fresh off on a honeymoon in the dominican republic. joining us this morning, the first honeymoon.
another one is coming because that's part of what the knot gave you. where is that one? >> in thailand. we're very excited. >> very cool. let's go back to the day we're all taken with today, the anniversary date. you have said that that was the best worst day of your life. why? >> the worst for obvious reasons. the best is because we appreciate everything so much more now. every hug from my son is that much more precious. every moment that we get to spend together, our families, friends, everything. you hear it all the time that life is short, but until you experience it the way that i guess we did last year, it takes on a whole new means after that. >> and, pete, i'm sure, it gave me chills to see the juxtaposition of pictures from the day, and then you see your wedding video. it really is just amazing how far you've come in one year's time. i'm sure you didn't imagine you
would be here. what does this anniversary now signify for you guys? >> i think the anniversary just signifies that we can prove we can come back from anything, and just how strong we are, and not just us, but, like, americans, and everybody that was there in boston that day, and, you know, just great that we can be here and celebrating life. >> it's interesting to hear you talk about the "we," right? because this is a very intensely individual and personal thing for each of you, together as a couple, but then within the backdrop of the community, too. you know, when you talk about this, when you go places, does it cause you pain when people want to talk to you about it, or is it -- do you find that it heals a little bit each time? >> i find that it does a little bit of both. there are certainly days where if we just decide to run out somewhere really quick, and someone stops us and says, hey, what happened to you?
i attract a lot of attention in a wheelchair, but you never know who you're talking to that day, and you never know if that person really needs that support and encouragement from you, and that's kind of what we've done is just try to be that beacon of hope for anybody and everybody that we can. >> you make a good point about the physical, also. obviously, you've been dealing with this battle of what to do with your leg. it's uncommon that somebody arrives at the conclusion you have. usually people will fight to keep the limb at all costs. you're saying it's become a hindrance to me. it's just a leg. a remarkable thing for someone to say. >> amazing. >> you want to have it taken off, move forward with your life. you say people don't focus enough on the emotional side of what this has done to people and the physical is one aspect. tell us about that. >> you know, there's a certain number that the news always reports of how many people were injured that day, but the physical injuries will eventually heal or at least get fixed as much as they can. there are so many other people
that were standing there, that may have not been injured per se, but the emotional side of that is so much harder than anyone can really describe, and america was injured that day, because this happened to our country, and not just to a select number of people, like us. you know, i have a terrible leg. yeah, but it's not my life, and i'm so blessed that we're still here and able to -- to celebrate today, because we're survivors. we're not victims. >> you're absolutely right. you are. and that speaks to when u heard you say that you do still have a long road, a long, hard road ahead, but now you kind of have a partner on that road ahead. what does the road look like from here on out? we marked this anniversary, but you guys have a lot more to do? >> i think the road ahead is exciting. you know? i'm very looking forward to everything that we have going on in the future, and i couldn't pick anybody else to do that
with, other than rebekah. >> i think he's in love with you. >> i sure hope so. >> you guys should be like -- >> smitten. >> -- a couple modeling team. you are a ridiculously attractive couple, and noah makes the family? >> yes, our 6-year-old. >> how's he doing? >> he has things that will be really tough with him. he got blown up at 5 years old, that's the bottom line. but she a tough little cookie, and he is so excited for us to be married and be a family, and he is -- he's really going to be just fine with this. >> got good examples to lean on, and mom and bop. right? pops? >> pop-pop is good. >> they say it's all about better for worse, and you got the worse out of the way early. so it's only better from here. >> great to meet you. congratulations. enjoy your trip. take lots of pictures of thailand and let us now thousand
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good morning, and welcome back to "new day." it is tuesday, april 15th, 8:00 in the east. the search for flight 370 continues with teams ready to relaumpl that submersible drone to search for wreckage. monday's search ended abruptly after the sub dove past its depth limit, and there's also renewed attention this morning on the copilot. a u.s. official says his cell phone was on searching for service as the plane vanished. let's get straight over to aaron mclockland live in perth, australia following the latest developments on this search. waiting for the bluefin 21 to get back into the water. any update on that? >> reporter: good morning, kate. we're told nothing gets back in water this quick and with the
bluefin's mission cut short, it certainly appears to be the case. breaking overnight, u.s. navy officials say no objects of interest were found among the data downloaded from their unmanned underwater robot. this as the first subsurface search was cut short, 7 1/2 hours into its mission, the bluefin 21 was forced to resurface early. the bluefin was originally expected to scour the ocean floor for debris. the whole journey lasting 20 hours, but instead, the device resurfaced after officials say it exceeded its maximum operating depth of 14,800 feet. >> we just hit a deeper spot that we initially planned. so we just going to bring it up. reprogram it. shift a little bit ewa aaway fr that deeper area and adjust our search area. >> reporter: a new detail emerging. a u.s. official tells cnn the copilot's cell phone was on
during the flight and made contact with a malaysian cell tower. according to information shared by malaysian investigator. that cell phone signal reportedly detected about 30 minutes after the plane made that sharp westward turn, around the time the plane disappeared from radar. the bluefin 21 is still onboard the australian vest "the ocean shield." bad weather preventing it from being put back into the water. chris? >> all right, erin, thank you very much. we'll have to be monitoring that weather, but, again, this is going to take time. we know that. you know who knows it best? our expert, former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation, mary schiavo and cnn's 15i69y analyst, author of the book "why planes crash" mr. david souci. so, mary, the weather is going to be a problem. timing is going to be a problem. patience is needed, and that's just the reality. fair point? >> fair point, and then as we mentioned before in previous
accidents, the one in the java sea which crashed the january, got the black boxes in august. so it might be in for a long haul. >> why stick with the bluefin, david souci? why not go with the alvin or ra mora, the sea dragon or one of these other interesting named devices that can go deeper? why stick with this one? >> maybe the other devices don't have the sonar equipped system. >> why do we need sonar? >> that's the only thing able to gives broadcast view what's going on down there. it's completely dark down there. sunlight can't penetrate that deep, so you're in complete darkness waiting for a visual search and can only see so many feet at a time. here you're talking hundreds of meters at a imtoo. >> couldn't they have anticipated this? the answer to the question was actually, no, and there are reasons for that. why? >> no pre-mapping done in these areas. david gallo pointed out area, so many places are completely mapped, typically with these searches you start with a pretty good map in the first place to
preprogram where the thing will go. with this type of search you're waiting on the censors onboard to say, it's too deep, or there's a big mound in front of me to avoid. you're relying a lot on what's going on down under. >> mary is that why they're only using one? david gallo, part of our team, had three working down there. why only one? >> well, just based on hearsay and what angus houston has said, one is all that they'd asked for and thought all they needed. the reason is, they thought they had zeroed in on it. with the ping, getting the pings, having the locate down to a 17-mile distance between all four of the pings, he said they thought he had a pretty good shot on the first try and in fact sent the bluefin down to the area they found most promising. so there aren't very many of them and the navy loaned them this one. i assume if they really think they need more they could ask others to loan them more, but
mr. houston said they were on top of it and one is what they needed. >> and you've been a fan of his thus far. you, mary and david, you believe he's running in the right way. let's go to the aspect of the investigation that doesn't seem to be well run and i say that with cause. the latest cause. have you ever heard of investigators being wrong whether or not cell phones were picked up on a flight? >> i've been wrong before but didn't broadcast i've been wrong. you come out, this is what we've done. checked this record, that record. later, if something comes up, there's a reason for it. we didn't check this record, for example. that's where, again, it goes back to the communication. i don't think they're doing it wrong. i think they're just communicating what they're doing within the investigation improperly. >> you have to distinguish between, oh, we missed something in the records we thought we found, versus -- there is no record. >> that's right. >> you know what i'm saying? >> exactly. >> that's different. you look at 239, you miss a conversation mary had with me.
i get it. dealing with detail. that's suboptimal but expect it, but nothing was picked up, mary, versus, you know, 39 days later, oh, yeah. it was. oh, and it was the copilot. seems extraordinary? >> well, seems extraordinary, it reveal as bias in the investigation. there were several biases that the fbi is trained, inspectors trained to avoid that is the anchoring effect. you latch on to the first thing you come along, oh, it must be the pilots. then you try to make the evidence fit. my guess, they went looking for the piloted and copilot's cell phone and may have not searched the universe, shall we say, for the rest of the cell phones that might have been on that plane. i think they probably started with the pilots, and this might be the first piece of information we have, but it's unfortunate that they seem to have preconceived notions and hopefully can rise above that. >> if that's the case, why didn't this come out before? >> that's what i'm saying. >> that's what's so strange about it. yeah. they went to the pilots, but --
>> exactly. >> even if just finding that out now, what did they do? check all 239 people before they did this? doesn't make sense. >> and almost now confusing. right? other than the pass of interest saying, oh, pilots leave their cell phones on? all this controversy about passengers wanted their cell phones on. what does it mean that his cell phone was on? does it automatically mean anything? >> it doesn't automatically mean anything, particularly because we don't have the conversation, how long it was, just a connection attempt. >> we don't know it was a conversation. >> we don't know and there probably wasn't time. there's been communication done with cell phones with small towers when they've lost community to communicate and say i'm coming in. turn the lights on at the airport. it's nighttime. things like that, and people do that. low altitudes and small airports. this wouldn't be unique if he had no other means of communication to turn on his
cell phone and make an attempt to connect, even a a low altitude where he thought he could connect. >> the worst implication, the one it's going to provide, mary and david, it's going to undermine confidence in the investigators. exactly what the families don't need at this point. thank you very much for the perspective. back with you for sure. kate? >> now to ukraine. a country teetering towards war. ukraine's government saying this morning that an anti-terrorist operation is underway in eastern ukraine. this comes after president obama spoke with russian president vladimir putin by phone monday. putin continuing to deny that russia is interfering in that country. phil black is on the ground in ukraine. get to him in one second. first, let's start with white house correspondent michelle kaczynski for more on the truly critical phone call at a critical moment. >> reporter: hi, kate. right. the account of what exactly went on in this call as usual varies widely, depending which side is telling it. the white house calling it frank
and direct saying president obama expressed grave concern for russian government support of those armed militants who have taken over government buildings across eastern ukraine and urged putin to convince them to stop, saying that there is still a diplomatic window here, but that it won't work and what the white house call and environment of russian military intimidation, armed provocation within ukraine, and escalatory rhetoric by the kremlin. what is the kremlin saying happened in this call? well, they say that the violence in ukraine is the fault of the ukrainian government. russia denied its own involvement, and urged president obama to use american influence to prevent further violence. so whether there was any actual progress in this call, as other calls have completely lacked, according to the white house, we're waiting to hear more from the white house later on today, kate. >> much more to learn. thank you very much. that phone call michelle is
talking about comes days after a russian jet made several very close passes past a u.s. navy war ship in the black sea. meanwhile, police appeared to have taken back control of some buildings in eastern ukraine, though many pro-russian groups continue to ignore kiev's demand they leave and ukrainian officials tell cnn 350 national guard troops are headed for the region. the very latest from the ground. cnn's phil black joins us once again from eastern ukraine. phil? >> reporter: kate, good morning, yes, the ukrainian government's response to all this across the eastern region has been a little het tant so far. saying they're launching an anti-tear operation, as you say. 350 national guardsmen heading into the region surrounding don i etsk. call dating a hold on the region, then the authority of the central government in kiev
is eroded. there's a risk this could escalate quickly, lives could be lost and it could give russia a pretext for more direct intervention. they are clearly desperately looking for a way out of this, which could be why they have floated the idea of an international peacekeeping force. that is what the acting president suggested to the united nations secretary-general. the idea being an international force coming in here to put a stop to this, to work with ukrainian authorities. it doesn't look like a realistic starter, though, because in order to happen it would have to get through the security council. that is where russia has a veto. ukraine is clearly saying it still needs more help from the international community to hold this country together. michaela? >> the escalation is key. phil black in ukraine. thank you so much for that. it's about quarter past the hour. a look at more headlines. several days of scathing cross-examination of the oscar pistorius murder trial have now come to an end. the prosecution finished its grilling of the olympian by
slamming his version of events. pistorius says he mistook his girlfriend reeva steenkamp for an intruder when he shot her to death, but the state's relentless scrutiny led pistorius to break down today saying that he is not sure who's to blame for her blame. . prosecutors expect to file hate charges against the 73-year-old accused of gunning down three people outside two jewish facilities in kansas. cross has a long history of ties to white supremacist groups and appearing to have been targeting jews on sunday. all three victims have now been identified, and none of them were jewish. today boston marks a solemn anniversary one year since the bombings that ripped through the finish line of the boston marathon killing three and injuring more than 260. vice president joe biden will attend a memorial service in boston paying tribute to the victims and to first responders. a moment of silence held 2:49
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welcome back to "new day." ukraine is on the brink this morning. pro russian spriptist maintain themselves on several buildings in the east and 300 national guard troops are headed for the region. major general james spider marks is retired from the u.s. army. a senior intelligence officer during the invasion in iraq and a former commanding general. senator, none of your pedigree spider but even i know these are
not just russian separatists, these are russian informed, equipped or probably connected troops already in the ukraine fomenting tension. why am i saying something other than that? >> this is russian instigated and these are russian forces igniting this activity we see in ukraine right now and it's not hard for these forces to get into ukraine. they have routine access down in crim crimea. it happens as a matter of routi routine. >> is it unfair? russia saying, the west, stop the tension before a civil war breaks out. no. we're just training, but isn't it fair at this point to say these are unsubstantiated statements? if not outright lies? >> they're outright lies, chris. putin controls all the activities, as we say, the horizontal and vertical. he can get in and stop this at any moment. this is not organic inside ukraine. >> right. instead he's doing the opposite. witness what happened with the
uss ship in the black sea. put up the animation. doing a monitoring thing, this russian jet starts whipping by them. not call it's the buzzing of the ship, because it doesn't go directly -- >> whipping by is -- >> taunting? >> exactly what happened. what they were doing, chris, this aircraft clearly is trying to figure out what the united states naval, rules of engagement are. what type 6 radar signal will it get? what type of intelligence can it get off this u.s. vessel. >> the u.s. was trying to communicate to the aircraft and it didn't respond, 90 minutes or something like that. should they have fired a warning shot? >> no, no. rules of engagement. clearly hostile. the profile was not hostile against the ship but those of tactical determinations. a little dance that take thats place. we haven't seen it in over 30 years because we haven't had a soviet union, but this is a test of u.s. will. whether the united states is going to depart from the black sea. >> there are other tests going on. troll around, place finders
here. these tell a story as well. right there -- >> russian forces are training, about 40,000, across the boarder from ukraine. >> training? are they training? they are hanging out ready to come in, if they need to. >> military forces don't hang out. military forces train, they're busy. clearly, there's a strategic message with that, with this activity. so the russians would say, this is simply training. it's natural. we do this as a matter of routi routine. s clearly provocative to the situation that's here. also, there are spetnats, special forces that have already moved into the ukraine in respect is activity ongoing right now here and here and government buildings have been taken over by those forces. >> and this is the biggest part of the kennard, right? these pro-separate forces with the russian uniforms that don't have insignia on them. that's probably the worst thing
that's been done by the west to encourage this situation, is, like -- continuing this, even, no matter how you look at the transcript of the phone call between obama and putin, him saying, were she to be careful about getting these people to lay down arms. why isn't he saying, these are your guys? >> get these folks -- mr. putin, mr. president, get these folks out of ukraine and i'll continue this conversation. how's that for an opening -- >> why isn't he saying that? >> i have no clue, frankly, who's advising the president on this, but this is provocative to an incredible degree, as we've seen. crimea has already been annexed. there's no reason to believe eastern ukraine wouldn't be annexed. ukraine does not enjoy article 5 protections as a nato member, because it's not. there's no obligation on the part of anybody in the west to do anything to prevent this activity. >> not a lot of motivation either. full disclosure, ruble drops. 60 billion divested from russia in march, more than all of last
year. so this shows some strain, but europe gets at least 30% of its fuel from the pipelines that come through the ukraine from russia. that's going to hurt them. >> it is. european leaders, these european nations, frankly, are shameless. they've been saddled up next to russia for some. i. financially-o time. they've been in bed with them l themfully. >> has it gone too far? too far gone already? he's got crimea, this is hurting the ukraine, a warm water port. industrial center in the east. seems a forgone conclusion it's being accepted as rationale that these people want to secede as a minimum. is it too late for this to be stopped and salvaged? >> i think a way it could be salvaged is in the government of kiev allows in the elections some form of referendum allowing this to be federalized, a soft exit, as opposed to a very sharp
line of demarcation that says, this is unacceptable. so there might be a political arrangement that allows kiev to maintain some degree of power over activities in the eastern ukraine, if it's acceptable to moscow. >> as we go back to kate, what it's your guess right now, percentage chance that nato troops wind up on the ground in some type of conflict with russian troops going forward? >> in the next six months? >> yes. >> zero. >> zero? >> zero. >> that sounds good. thank you, appreciate it. >> kate? coming up next on "new day," in the pitch black depths of the indian ocean, teams key l s rela drone to scan the ocean's floor for flight 370. looking at the challenges for searching one of the world's most hostile environments. and this, sanjay gupta on a dangerous assignment tracking the spread of a deadly ebola outbreak in west africa. sanjay will join us live, ahead. ♪
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welcome back to "new day," everyone. search teams will be using an underwater drone just like that called a bluefin 21 to scan the ocean's floor from wreckage from flight 370 again today, but after its first mission on monday was aborted, completing less than one-third of its intended search area, there are now new questions as to whether the vehicle is really up to the task. is this the right one to be doing the job?
here at the map, david gallo, co-leader of the search for air france flight 447 and director of special projects at woods hall oceanographic institution to talk not only the bluefin but about what we're dealing with under the water. it's such a challenge. let's look at this first animation to remind viewers, our representation of what the bluefin is looking like and how it goes about this search. it's supposed to take two hours to go down. >> right. >> search for some the 16. 2 hours back up. >> yep. >> it only completed about 29% of the search area on this first day. david, when your experience. >> right. >> with your experience is that considered a failed day? >> it's a horrible day for the team onboard the ship and maybe seem like there's a real big issue to us but it's not uncommon. it does happen. >> why isn't it uncommon, for those who don't know searches like you do? >> well, it's deep. the water's uncharted and in fact that vehicle was told to track the bottom. stay 30 meters, roughly 100 feet from the bottom.
the bottom dropped away, the vehicle went vehicle and got close to, over its operating -- >> were you aware this could test the absolute depth of the bluefin. we knew it was deep. >> sure. >> what happens to a machine like this and those similar when it does go past its depth limit? does the sonar stop working? does it -- what happens? >> want to protect the vehicle from imploding. crushing depth which is a total different depth. you want to protect it by saying, i'm outta here, punching out. >> it's automatically done? >> totally automatic. onboard, disrupted because the team has been training, getting ready for that vehicle to be down a certain amount of time. people gone asleep trying to get rest are and now the vehicle's on the way back up. it's frustrating, but i'm sure they're looking at the entire tactical situation. how do we recover? get the vehicle back in the water and get a full day in. >> absolutely. when they get back down
there,ing to pog grapthere, ing topography. one type it could come up against, a landslide. is that -- sounds treacherous. is it? >> well, it's dangerous for a vehicle, if you -- it's tougher for the analyst to look at that kind of, the reflections from a landslide, because you have boulders, everything from fist-sized to car-sized boulders and can look like bits of wreckage against the background. it makes it complicated that way. also a steep wall is trouble for a vehicle as well. >> because it needs to get around it, i assume? >> got to get around it or over it. if it can't, it's got problems. >> leading us to the next challenge it could be up against. a trench or a valley, if you will, some kind of canyon. how deep can these go in the indian ocean? >> oh, very deep. get down over 6,000, 7,000 meters. >> wow. >> in this area they don't. there's pockets in this area that get down over 6,000 meters. >> why is this such a problem, again, for the bluefin to come up against? >> if you get into a trench situation, the vehicle, when
it's way below the operating depth, even shallower water trenches might only go down to 4,000 meters. sides, they close in on the vehicle and the vehicle has to figure how do i get out of this mess? >> and do it safely? >> right. >> so angus houston had -- they assumed, one of the assumptions they're working on, a finaling to poggraphy, a rolling bottom looks like. >> sure. >> is that the preferred kind of ocean to be dealing with? >> it's great. the problem, when you get down there you find out that map maybe made from the surface, there's a lot of features. pinnacles, valleys, there's steep cliffs, all sorts of ob tickle stickles. >> still dealing with sonar? >> mapping with sound. trying to get the widest view. sound is the best way to search a wide area. you need a good team to analyze the images but this team is very
good. i'm sure they're dying to get back into the water. >> one thing they have no control over is the weather. >> right. >> kind of a suggestion that if weather permitted they would put it back into the water. >> sure. >> why does the weather -- the weather on the surface, how does that impact the search below? >> heavy vehicle. you have to get it off the ship, launch it safely to the bottom and recover it. any kind of rough weather makes that difficult. it's very dangerous for the vehicle, even more dangerous for the people onboard. >> it's still tethered to the ship? when they pull it back in, positively. >> absolutely. david gallo, thank you so much. >> thank you, kate. time for the five things you need to know for you "new day." number one, we just mentioned, the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 may go deep again. the bluefin 21 underwater drone expected to dive into the indian ocean today, weather permitting. ukrainian officials tell cnn 350 national guard troops are headed to the country's east. separatist groups in that region are defying kiev's demands to leave occupied government buildings.
scathing cross-examination in the oscar pistorius murder trial has come to an end with the olympian breaking down saying he's not sure who's responsible for his girlfriend's death. a somber memorial in boston today marking the one-year anniversary of the boston marathon bombings that left three dead and shattered hundreds of lives. a tribute to the fallen will be followed by a moment of silence. a passover celebration today at the white house. president obama and first lady hosting a seder we friends, family and their staff. we always update five things to know. go to "new day" cnn.com for the very latest. guys? coming up next on "new day," our own sanjay gupta tracking a terrifying killer threatening to spread across the world. the ebola outbreak. he's on the front lines with an exclusive look coming up next. and a grandmother teaching what boston stronger is all about. her touching tribute to her granddaughter krystle campbell
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it was a year ago today that two homemade bombs ripped through the finish line of the boston marathon killing three, injuring nearly 300 others. one who was taken is 29-year-old krystle campbell. back then we met krystal's grandmother lillian who told us of this angel in her life. we sat down with her again on the one-year anniversary and what grandma lillian has to say will move your heart and inspire you. take a look.
>> 2013 boston marathon champion -- >> reporter: april 15th, 2013 started as a perfect day for one of boston the most loved traditions. marathon monday. spectators lining the streets cheering on more than 23,000 runners, but four hours, nine minutes into the race -- [ explosion ] back-to-back explosions tearing through copley square causing chaos and panic. >> something just blew up. >> oh! go! >> reporter: the attacks on the people here have been felt in boston, in this state, around the country, and the world. >> reporter: the disbelief of what had happened turning to grim reality as the identities of those lost in the attack were revealed. >> we found out the name of a second victim who died in the terrorist attack here. krystal campbell of medford, massachusetts. she was just 29 years old. >> reporter: but krystle campbell was so much more than a name, to everyone who loved her.
>> there she is now. she's a beautiful girl. how could you not love her? >> reporter: a love you could clearly see in the face of her grandmother lillian, whom we met 1yu69 day just days after the bombing. >> reporter: how do you make sense of this? >> i don't. i don't have any sense of it at all. i can't believe it happened. i can't believe it. i won't even accept it now and i'm sitting here with ya. i'm having a hard time. when i see her on the tv -- it's killing me inside. >> reporter: now almost a year to the day later, we met with lillian again. same house, same couch. >> that was the last christmas we all had together. >> reporter: the passing year has done little to temper the loss. >> reporter: how often do you think of her? >> all the time. every day. >> reporter: as the nana you're
not supposed to have favfavorit. supposed to love them all equally. >> yeah, but you don't. it's hard to do that. >> reporter: there was something special about this girl krystal? >> oh, yes. from the day she was alive, because she -- she was born upstairs. >> reporter: in this house? >> on the third floor. >> reporter: and you always had a special bond? >> oh, yes. definitely. >> reporter: she used to make everything okay? >> yep. she did. she had that special -- i don't know what it is. that special thing about her. you know? and you felt happy around her, because she was always laughing and bubbly. i loved her. >> reporter: some moments stand out. the tearful statement given by krystal's mother. >> this doesn't make any sense. >> she was the best. >> reporter: krystal's wake attended by thousands. and the gazebo named for her near the restaurant where she used to work.
>> reporter: how do you keep her memory ay live? how do you keep her with you? >> i got herp out out on my di room. all the pictures are there. >> reporter: so you can go there and look and remember? >> every day i come through the room, i see her. >> reporter: wanting revenge against the bombers would be understandable, but not for grandma lillian. >> when they came out with this part about the death sentence, and i says, well -- i really don't care what they do with them, because whatever they do, it's not going to bring her back. and it's not going to make it any easier. so i wouldn't wish anybody dead. anybody has a right to live. i like everybody to have a good life and be happy, if they can. >> reporter: even after what he did. >> even after what he did. >> reporter: for lillian, remembering her granddaughter means remembering the advice she would have given her.
>> krystal would want me to she had no tears or nothing. she was that type. don't -- don't do it, nana, she'd say. come on. get up. we got to get going. >> reporter: do you ever go visit krystal, when you guys buried her? >> no, i haven't. >> reporter: in your heart is that where krystal is, where she's buried or -- >> oh, no. she's upstairs, she's looking down at us. in fact, chris, one day we were here in the summer before it got cold. a big rainbow came out right over my house, and my back porch. that's krystal looking down at us. and i honestly believe that, every time the rainbow came, that's krystal looking over us. and i believe that. >> i think she's right, and, you know, lillian is a great example of what the community is about out there. they're tough people. boston. this situation is what made them strong.
it is a situation about boston being stronger, but dealing with the loss of someone so special, it's been a year, but that's just a blink of an eye for these families. a loss that will be felt for the rest of their lives. >> you're absolutely right. we saw it with the dimartino family, when they were here with us. you see no bitterness, no anger. so strong. you see that, really, in everyone who's affected by this. and i think that's the one thing that we can take away from that. it happened right afterward, boston strong, and it continues still today, and you really can't overstate how great that is. >> she reminded me that love overcomes evil. you know? that her love can, can replace the evil that was, you know -- put into their life. >> and they had a really special bond. she's just a great lady. great to be able to be up there and see her and hopefully next week when we're up there to deal with this year's marathon, which is going to be an amazing event to be at, hopefully we'll get to check in with her and she'll be there today, even though it's
hard for her to be around, she's going to be at the anniversary and see krystalen honored. >> really wonderful. >> we've been telling you all morning it is one year later and so many of the marathon victims are still trying to put the pieces back together, and you can help them do that. find out how at our impact your world page, cnn.com/impact. >> go there. help out. coming up next on "new day," much more on the search for flight 370. we're going to look at the challenges facing the bluefin 21 submersible when it scans the ocean floor. honestly, i'm pouring everything i have into this place.
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welcome back to "new day." the bluefin 21, underwater drone is going back into the indian ocean today to look again for flight 370. bringing in former faa inspector david soucie to talk about the search. we've talked a lot today about the challenges under the water but even the search area is a real challenge. first we've got, to me it seems these two search areas are really far apart. this is the visual search area. right? >> correct. the surface search. >> the surface search. >> right. >> this is -- >> the underwater search. >> where the ocean shield is. why is there such a difference in the location? >> because of the fact it's moving on the top, everything that's floating. we have wind. remember, there's been a hurricane through here during this time. a lot of movement. >> assumptions for all of the currents and the wind that we've been talking about? >> where it might have gone. all predicated on the fact this
is where it impacted, called the scatter point, and that scatter point is based on the pings that were detected? >> yes, correctants talk me through -- we have the four pings. talk me through where they're basing the underwater search off of these pings? how do they calculate them? >> what they said, what angus houston said is that they're focusing on what information they have and that's what the commander said earlier, that they're focusing on what they have. their best focus where the pings can and the intensity of the pings. >> and the intensity of the pings translates to, uninitiated as the longer duration they detected it? >> two things. duration is one. that's every second. getting that every second. they're talking about intensity, how loud it is. how loud it was when received by the underwater microphone. they're starting to search not exactly on this point. i wasn't clear on that at first. remember, this is where the handshakes went on, and so they're not starting there exactly. they're starting i believe a
little south of where that is, which i thought, why are they doing that? what dave gallo pointed out is that as they get closer to where this solid long ping was, it's getting deeper and deeper and deeper. >> that's a huge concern. >> a huge concern, because we're already at the fringe of what that machine can do. >> and we know yesterday they hit, went too far. the bluefin 21 hit its depth limit. >> recalculated today, yes. >> talk me through, how do they, just like where you were going. how do they calculate the range of the pinger broadof the ka, also meaning the range where they will base their search day-to-day? >> right. remember this sound is above human hearing. i want to frame that a little. it's a dog whistle, basically, butality 160 decibels, ten times louder than it requires ear protection for. very loud signals, just that we can't hear it. and remember, sound sdv travel like this. it doesn't travel in a straight line. propagates -- what do we have
there? yellow. that will work. we have the sound that comes out in waves. and it's pushing against the previous waves. so these are low pressure, high pressure kind of areas as it radiates. when they say three-mile range, it's saying from the pinger it's got to reach at least this far. that's a regulation by the faa. says it has to reach at least a certain amount. if it's on the bottom, we're three miles deep it would make sense three miles goes all the way to the surface here. >> okay. >> so this is where the towed ping locator comes across, here. and we had that for two hours. that signal for two hours. now you can see, it could be louder here. than it would be here. because as these waves propagate, they getalities weaker. as you're picking up the volume here, it's less than the volume would be here. >> does that also, then, inform how they narrow where the bluefin, where the bluefin narrows its search? >> exactly. >> because the tow ping locator travels so much faster than the bluefin? >> yes, it does.
>> you need to narrow that down? >> absolutely. and the tow ping locator is coming across -- it's not a lot -- not a lot faster, but it covers more area. >> right. >> yeah. that's what the key is here, because as you look at a broadcast, the lower you go, the wider it gets. like a cone shape. and so as you put the bluefin in the water, it's just going exactly against the bottom, whereas this is going across the top. so you're going to get variances in depth and what else is going on here, but the bluefin, remember, is following the nap of the earth, following the terrain. so it's going to be down here as opposed to coming up here where you're looking at everything. >> the little that we know, we know that it hit, it went too deep. >> correct. >> and they needed to recalibrate before they could go back in. do you have any sense of where too deep is in relation to where they are searching and recap brating? >> i really don't. >> we just -- the reason we don't know, they don't either, because we don't have a good map
of the ocean floor in this area. >> right. we're about to. i mean, that's -- >> true. >> that's the idea now. everybody says we don't know anything about the ocean floor, after this, we'll know a lot about what's going on there. it's all got to be mapped. very painstaking and a detailed process. >> absolutely. >> in for the long haul. >> learning right along with them. david soucie, thank you very, very much. from the tough stuff of mapping the end of the ocean to good stuff. 3d printer and determined high schoolers just changed the life of one very special little boy. find out how in "the good stuff." co: sometimes you don't know you need a hotel room until you're sure you do. bartender: thanks, captain obvious. co: which is why i put the hotels.com mobile app on my mobile phone. anyone need a coupon?
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a lot of tough stuff in the news. how about a little good stuff? in today's edition, a 2-year-old gets a hand from three high schoolers. born with only two fingers on his left hand. his big brother asked his former robotic teacher about 3d pictures. he put three of his students on the job. >> we wanted to fit him correctly and be what he wants. something he wouldn't be ashamed to wear. >> listen to this. the team works practically around the clock designing a
custom hand while going to scoot without getting class credit for doing any of this. after months and mome s and mul prototypes -- >> after he puts on a new hand. i love this. so much fun. >> knowing i can help him have a better, happier life is really, really important to me. >> say, thank you! >> thank you. >> now, they didn't do it for credit, as i said, yet the team wound up winning the state title in the skills usa competition. they compete in the national championships in june. now, if you'd like to help fund their trip and, of course, you would, you can look them up on gofundme.com. >> let's be honest. that is a better education than anything you are going to learn in a schoolbook. talk about how smart the next generation is? 3d printing? making a hand? i wouldn't know where to start. >> guaranteeing those guys a lifetime of doing great work. they got the bug. >> their brain, also their
hearts. very important education there indeed. a lot of news. over to the newsroom with ms. carol costello. >> have a great day. "newsroom" starts out in. happening now in the "newsroom" -- surface -- the sonar sub's hunt -- cut short. >> we just hit a deeper spot than we initially planned. >> the first mission aborted hours early. direct challenge. a russian fighter jet buzzing an american war ship. >> depending on the calling, the 19-minute close encounter pro vauk tish and unprofessional. >> making 12 passes. >> the most direct challenge to a u.s. destroyer. >> as violent protests sweep across the country. hailstorm.