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the frantic text messages kids sent when the ship went down. happening now, the bluefin completes its first full mission in the search for flight 370. the latest on what it saw. plus, new questions this morning. was the plane on autopilot heading to australia? breaking overnight. vladimir putin speaking out, calling ukraine's efforts to crack down on pro russia militants a, quote, grave crime. this morning secretary of state john kerry meeting with his russian counterpart. what is the message? what is the message? your "new day" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. welcome to "new day." it's thursday, april 17th. 6:00 in the east. the race is on to hopefully rescue some 300 people missing from a sunken ship that was ferrying mostly high school students on what was supposed to be a dream vacation. at least nine people reported dead, but after more than 24
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hours in freezing water officials fear that number will rise. paula hancocks is live in jirks ndo, south korea. >> chris, night isle fa for a second time and relatives of those 287 still missing are desperately wait for any news. many parents here waiting to see if their child is even still alive. the weather has not been cooperating today. there have been very strong currents. three divers at one point were carried away. they were picked up and safe, but they had to suspend the diving for some time. beneath these frigid t waters nearly 300 people, mostly teenage students and teachers remain missing. the ship's captain with his head down telling police, i'm sorry, i'm at a loss for words. overnight three bodies were recovered from the sunken ferry bound for a resort island. the miraculous rescue of a
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6-year-old girl was caught on tape. her parents and brother were not found. grief stricken family members gather at a harbor in jindo waiting into the night desperate for any information. a mother's anguish she recalls encouraging her daughter to take the trip. >> just go. it will be a great experience for you, for your school days. so i'm very regretting -- i'm very regretting this. >> reporter: dramatic video of first 24 hours of the frantic rescue shows passengers clinging to guardrails and being airlifted to safety. most of the crews about what could have caused the ship to sink come from eyewitnesses who report hearing a loud bang and seeing the ship beginning to tilt. >> it sound like he hit a submerged object which caused a gash in the hull which would allow the water.
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>> reporter: if that's the case the gash apparently was large enough to impact several compartments below and ultimately capsize the ship. also in question, the handling of the evacuation. according to passengers they were initially told to stay on board. this cellphone video thought to be from inside the ship shows passengers all wearing life jackets. outside the ship, only one of 46 life boats deployed. these instructions here from the crew saying, do not move. if you mo, it's more dangerous. do not move. could have cost many lives. one of the ways relation tives found out ability their loved ones was through text messages. there are a few people in the ship and we are not dead yet so please send along this message. another student texted his friends. i think we are all going to die. if i did anything wrong to you, please forgive me. i love you all. >> reporter: now, the government tells cnn the ship did not deviate from its intended route much. this was a report earlier on suggesting that could have been the reason for this accident.
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of course, the question is at this point, what exactly happened? kate, back to you. >> of course, the key question in everyone's mind. paula, thank you. we have breaking news in the search for flight 370 for you this morning. the oil slick discovered by search crews does not below to flight 370 after much analysis that everyone was waiting for. australian official telling the wall stre"wall street journal" may have been flying toward australia when it went down. the prime minister saying the best leads in the search will be exhausted in about a week. after that, it may be time to regroup. all of this as the bluefin-21 mini subcompletes its first full mission after technical issues cut the two attempts short. we now finally have the final determination of that oil spill. miguel? >> yeah, that will come as a frustration to many people
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because it was hoped to be the first physical evidence of that plane actually going down there. despite those pings they believe are from the flight data recorders of mh370 they have no physical evidence of that plane so far. but they believe now that the bluefin-21 is beginning to operate the way it should, down now for a full 16 hours. they are downloading that massive amount of data and then that bluefin will go back down again in order to continue to survey the bottom of the indian ocean in this area. the comments by both the transport minister in malaysia and prime minister here in australia saying it n. about a week if they do not get a positive hit on that plane they're going to have to regroup. going back to the math to figure out again exactly where that plane may have gone down and looking in another part of that ocean in order to search. let's bring in david gallo, co-leader in the search for air france 447 and the drirector of
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special projects and air safety expert and aviation teacher at ohio state university. fwood morning to both of you. david, we just have this latest news on the oil spill. i believe in our past conversations not many had put a lot of hope that this oil spill would be the plane. >> yeah. like in the early days of this investigation, weeks ago, we saw so much trash floating around on the surface of the ocean. there's awful lot of oil out there. it's not that surprising to many of us. >> you need to run each lead down, right? >> absolutely. anything might be a key that we're looking for to break open this investigation, search. >> in terms of the investigation, shawn, telling the "wall street journal" if we don't find the wreckage, we stop, we regroup, we reconsider. that seems pretty basic, pretty understandable. he also talks about moving into a different phase of the search. i feel like no one has really talked about what's beyond this underwater bluefin stage because everyone believes that this is
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going to turn up the plane. what would the next phase be, in your mind? >> one of the significant components of the next phase is simply to expand the search area. that we went and focused or they're focusing on their best guess based on the data they have but now that it appears that they're not finding any of the debris field, simply a matter of expanding out to some of the other areas. i don't really see this although disappointing as necessarily that negative of an event other than this is a logical place for them to start, it looks like it's turned up nothing, so let's move on to the other areas and let's go find the debris field. >> many folks are going to say, david, what other areas? this was the targeted area. many believe it's right around that first ping that had the longest duration of two hours. >> right. >> there are three other pings that were detected. that's an area of some 500 square miles all together. >> it's up to that team in perth
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and kuala lumpur to decide what the next area is. i do believe it's far too early to give up on bluefin yet in this one area. it's just had the first solid mission. give them two or three days to get up to speed and see what turns up or not. >> it can all change in one moment. >> it takes one thing on the seafloor to tell you this is the right spot. they haven't had that chance really yet. >> yeah. you can almost say it really almost finished the first real mission because the first two were so abbreviated. >> sure. in our case we would probably start outside the primary to make sure everything was working properly before we moved into the most significant area. you want to make sure that everything is tuned right, the team is working properly because you don't want to miss anything. >> especially now that they want to dive, they can dive deeper and now they tweaked it. >> exactly. >> shawn, the head of australia transportation safety bureau, the revised data they're working off of suggested the plane had been flying toward western
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australia, toward perth and may have been on autopilot at the time when it went down. that's a pretty significant change in the assumptions they're working with. >> well, it is. but you know, this is one of the things that we've all of us have been talking about for quite some time now, from almost the beginning of the investigation. certainly when we started getting data points that were leading us much further south like this, that this is exactly what we thought could have been one of the we -- one of the scenarios. i don't believe there's really any other information that supports him saying that other than this has been something all along that we've all talked about. it certainly would explain or be a part of that puzzle understanding how the airplane could have been this far south. >> what piece of data, what assumpti assumption, what revised analysis would lead them toward the path of thinking, oh, this is on autopilot rather than being flown by the pilot at the time. do you know? >> well, it's -- the answer to
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that is going to be getting the boxes, unfortunately. >> okay. >> that there's really nothing -- there's no other data points we're going to have if we had more data track, if we saw an extremely steady course, then that might lead us to be a little more comfortable thinking that. but outside of having that, which we don't, the next step is, go near the place you're going to find that information is in the boxes, unfortunately. >> in your experience that was exactly what changed the investigation for the understanding of what happened to air france flight 447. >> as far as we know those are the only two witnesses, cockpit recorder in this case. >> and why it remains the primary goal in what they need to find. >> the only goal right now. >> david gallo, shawn, thank you. chris? kate, we have significant and deadly developments in ukraine. televised question and answer session, vladimir putin denied ever planning to annex crimea but admitted having troops there last month. president obama is unconvinced
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and is putting putin on notice saying there will be consequences if russia doesn't scale back its aggression toward ukraine. however, while politicians talk, people are now dying on the ground. a deadly shootout between ukrainian and pro-russian forces is feared to signal worse things to come. let's get to phil black in ukraine with the latest. phil? >> reporter: chris, yes, this event overnight is easily the most vial lend of the crisis so far in the southern town where the ukrainian government says 300 pro-russian militants attached a ukrainian military unit. they were able to repel them, killing three attackers, injuring around 13. arresting dozens more. no word on ukrainian military casualties yet. it is a sign of just how chaotic things on the ground currently are. we have had the arrival of a large ukrainian military force here with the intention of driving back pro-russian forces. but so far they have dismally failed to do so.
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numerous cases we've seen them stopped not by pro-russian government but my locals, villagers, people who don't want them here, block their path, swarm them and put them in the humiliating position to negotiate their retreat. sometimes giving up the weapons that they are carrying. sometimes giving up the armored vehicles that they are driving in convoy. just down the road in a town we saw some six armored vehicles last night really being shown off like trophies by pro-russian gunmen here. very proud of what they had captured. confident they can hold off the ukrainian military. the ukrainian government continues to be in a weak position. its authority on the ground is in question. it can't control its own military because the soldiers don't want to use force against their own people. that means coming into these talks in geneva today the ukrainian government is in a weak position. >> phil, as force becomes more of a reality on the ground we're
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being told that diplomacy is the best hope. and so a high-level and certainly high-stakes summit is under way in geneva. secretary of state john kerry and top eu official are meeting with ukraine and russia. the question is, what will the message be this time? cnn is live in geneva with more. ressa? >> chris, u.s. secretary of state john kerry is taking on a lot of complicated global crises during his time serving in the obama administration. this crisis in ukraine ranks up there. many describing this crisis was on of the most significant criscrie crises since the end of the cold war and that's with why you have secretary kerry along with top diplomats of the eu, catherine ashton, foreign ministers of ukraine and russia. also here trying to figure things out. so much at stake here. we're not just talking about the future of ukraine, we're talking about the future of u.s./russia relations. these are two heavyweights among world powers.
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they sit together on the u.n. security council. . if relations sour moving forward they can certainly make life difficult for one another. also tremendous pressure, domestically, on the obama administration, to make the right decisions moving forward. things seem to be escalating in eastern ukraine. you have pro-russian militant groups taking over police stations, government buildings. now three people killed yesterday. it won't be easy. expectations are low. but these diplomats are going to give it a a shot today. we'll tell you what happens at the end of the meeting. kate? >> they're all sitting down, that's the important part. reza, thank you. let's get to meteorologist indra peterson with the latest of the forecast. >> at least i have good news. record lows and snow to easter sunday. not two things that usually go together. let's talk about what we saw yesterday morning. we saw 5 below, record in michigan. upper midwest, we get that. south to florida, we were still seeing these very a typical temperatures yesterday.
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the good news is we're going to start rebounding. cold air still there. freeze warnings still here even this morning. around d.c. and back down through charlotte. watching the system make its way you. that's good news. a couple of flurries in the midwest. this guy pulling in the moisture from the gulf and bringing in heavy rain. the chance for flooding here. over four inches towards tallahassee. 2 1/2 inches in atlanta over the next several days. keep that in mind if you're flying out in the southeast, we could be talking a delays. now to the better news. yes. temperatures have been cold. they have been below normal by a good 10, 20 degrees. we already rebounding today. by tomorrow, getting better. hello weekend. so close, right? look at this. by the time we get to saturday we look at average temperatures. more importantly what we all care about, easter sunday. staying dry now. change in the forecast. no longer seeing rain on the east coast for easter. maybe showers out towards kansas city, dallas, and pacific northwest. most people seeing normal temperatures and staying dry.
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that is huge. please clap because, yes, that's huge. >> good info. >> appreciate the spring again when we dip back down into the cool temperatures. >> oh, yeah. >> those of us forced to hide eggs that will never be discovered by children who are too young to find them and will end up rotting in our yards. >> hard boiled egg? >> first of all, i do nothing. i was referring to the easter bunny. of course, kate balduan. >> obviously. >> however, when that bunny comes, one, it does not like rain and it does not like leaving eggs in places that children will not find. >> free booze draws berman with a "b." >> hard to find, let's just say that. >> okey-dokey. >> that's good. that was good insult. >> yeah. i'm sensitive here. >> he was anticipating the
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onslaught. >> all right. anyway, take a break here. "new day" with a "d", still, a rescue operation but troubling new information. listen to this. of the 46 life boats, only one was deployed. we're also hearing passengers were told to stay put while the ship was going dounder. we're going to talk with a retired coast guard captain. scanning the seafloor for flight 370. the challenges both above and below the water for getting the bluefin submersible to operate at peak efficiency. big challenges ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ millions of peaches, peaches for me ♪ yoplait. it is so good you'll want a different peach everyday.
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welcome back to "new day." there are a lot of questions about what happened to this ship so we're going to take you through what we understand with the help of the magic wall here. okay? so, the first point we want to make is, this voyage was delayed because of fog two hours delayed, a little bit of insight into what difficulty there may have been with the conditions. the voyage was normal. something happens below the water line. we're not sure what. passengers report on board hearing a loud bang. what could that be?
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usually means contact with something. on either side and it's narrow there are things that could have been hit. now what do we learn? they're told while it's listing, stay put. not get into life boats, not get ready to abandon ship. now, remember, each minute lost makes it that much harder to escape, shifting cargo and cars. it had 150 vehicles on board and doors that could flood easily at impact. now what happened? it goes from listing to completely submerging and rotating over. what does that mean? well, now, instead of just hopping off a boat you literally have to climb at a 45-degree angle like climbing on a mountain. still, there would be hope. why? even with the boat completely upside-down like this, if the bow is out like this, the bottom side of the bow, that means there's air pockets inside, you could be surviving. however, of course, time is of the essence. the water is about 50 degrees. it's cold. the air is cold. the currents are strong. so this is a desperate search to be sure.
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let's bring in retired coast guard captain paul roaden for some rer expectative now joining us from washington. captain, thank you for joining us. let's deal -- >> good morning. >> -- with what you need to hit to impact a ship this way. we understand here in the yellow sea, the channel is well dredged. major shipping lane. we're told it's tight, you have to know where you're going. when you hear there was fog, what does it mean to you? >> good morning, chris. thanks for having me on. yes, you're right, there would be -- have to be something unusual to happen to the ship. it would likely be something like hitting a rock or heing rocks that would cause damage along the length of the ship. enough to cause enough flooding to cause the initial list to one side, healing over. >> also, complicating factors. this is a car carrier, this vessel. so it has those doors that open. a little different than on a regular container ship. what happens if those are breached in terms of exacerbating flooding, making it
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happen faster? >> exactly. on a ship, one thing that protects it from damage is to have compartmentattions so that you have water tight bulk heads the length of the ship. if there is damage throughout the length or the water tight boundaries are not maintained, then there could be progressive flooding. >> how the crew responded becomes essential. we have to find out whether or not they were closing those doors to stem literally tide entering. then we hear that only one of the life boats was deployed. again, this is a report. things haven't been completely confirmed yet. but you could see in pictures of the ship as it was listing that there were boats mounted on the side. what does that tell you? >> it tells me the procedures that should be carried out perhaps were not. immediately, time is of the essence, so immediately life boats should be deployed so that those trying to escape the ship
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have a place to go. >> when do you tell people in a distress situation, stay put, don't get ready to abandon ship? it seems like you only hear the opposite in distress situations. >> as i mentioned, time is of essence, critical to respond, especially in a ship or emergency. i can't imagine. i've tried to think of howl it would be probably to say stay in place. but personally, i'm not sure how that would be appropriate. >> now, when you're dealing with teenagers you get a mixed blessing, they're young, they're strong. they may be able to endure more. however, when told to stay put, they may not be thinking for themselves, right, they may just do what they're told. >> exactly. >> so that complicates in terms of what happened, in terms of reaction time. getting text messages that go alod along with that. once that ship begins to list and heel over, what do you start dealing with when you don't have when the boat is righted?
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>> the ship is not designed to support transit through the ship in an upside-down condition. so obviously it becomes much more difficult. passengers would need to find their way out by going up, making their way up ladders that were not designed to enable transportation or transit in that way. also i understand that they may have lost ship's power in doing so in the dark, if they were not emergency lighting in place, would make it that much more difficult. >> and we keep saying, and the calls of optimism, if there's some of this vessel still above water that must mean that there's some air supporting ballasts down there. it does give a window of hope in your estimation that there could be compartments with air? >> there could be throughout the ship, actually. what it means that the ship is still flowing is that the weight of the ship given all the water that's come on board is not heavier than the force of buoyancy allowing it to stay
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afloat. so there could be air pockets throughout the ship, yes, sir. >> i know as time passes those chances get resless, but you ha to hold out hope until you have reason not to. appreciate your take on that this morning. >> yes. thank you. >> kate? >> coming up next on "new day," it took three attempts but investigators are now analyzing information collected from the underwater drone that has been scanning the ocean's floor for wreckage to try to find flight 370. and this morning, officials say it could take less time than originally thought to complete that search. more on the challenges ahead. scott: appears buster's been busy. man: yeah, scott. i was just about to use the uh... scott: that's a bunch of ground-up paper, lad! scotts ez seed uses the finest seed, fertilizer, and natural mulch that holds water so you can grow grass anywhere. looking good, lad! man: thanks, scott. ez seed really works! scott: get scotts ez seed. it's guaranteed. seed your lawn. seed it!
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welcome back to "new day." crews desperately search for hundreds of people missing after a ferry sank off of south korea's coast. at least nine people are dead but officials expect that number to rise and it could rise substantially. most of the passengers on board, high school students headed on vacation. some hope that survivors could be alive inside air pockets on that ship. but time is running out. more than a day has passed. the icy water there can kill a person within just a few hours. the layst in the search for flight 370. preliminary tests of oil slick in the search area show it is not aircraft engine oil or hydraulic fluid. data from the bluefin-21 mini sub is being analyzed after it completed its first full mission under t water. australia's prime minister says he expects the best leads in the search will be exhausted in about a week. after that, he says crews will have to reassess what they're doing. breaking this morning in ukraine. more violence that could heighten tensions with russia.
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three people were killed. 100 stormed the ukrainian military base. this came hours ahead of international talks between leaders from ukraine, russia, the united states, and also europe. in the meantime, russian president vladimir putin is admits troops were in crimea during the refer referendum. and royals down under. the duke and duchess of cambridge are touring across australia after a visit to new zealand as usual, william and kate drew huge crowds wherever they went when they seem to mix well with the locals. the couple met with prime minister tony abbott in sydney. this is kate's first trip to australia. i for one am glad we got to share this milestone with her. kate? >> thanks, john. as we mentioned, the bluefin-21 completed the first full mission overnight to try and find flight 370. but crews are facing some very tough challenges both above and below the indian ocean. even as new analysis has further
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refined the search area. let's dig deeper on both, above and below. indra petersons is here and david gallo. director of special projects atwoods hole oeceanographic. ind indra, they talked about how weather has been a factor. for many they don't understand because they would think that it doesn't apply when they're under the water >> you have to take a crane out here and you literally have to lower something that weighs about 1500 pounds. that's like a small smart car here that you have to lower into the ocean. and keep in mind, you want to watch for, when you have high wave heights you can have the ship get in the way of the launch and have that come underneath the ship and be sucked in by the propeller. >> and something so expensive and so important, you have to be careful. >> on both sides of the equipment you have the sonar so you want to watch the calibration. if that hits the side of the mission you could ruin the entire mission.
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let's talk about the weather conditions out there. first thing they're going to have to watch is the direction of wind. not only is it coming from the southeast of what side you want to launch off of but you don't want this sucked underneath the boat or you could ruin this valuable equipment. one of the concerns lately is the winds have been kicking up. where you start to see the blues. 20, 30-mile-per-hour winds out there. of course, it's important for what's going on on the surface but also means the wave height starts kicking up. . we start to see some ten-foot waves out there. that is tricky for launching this piece of equipment into the water. the other thing that's going on is the window. when can they launch this piece of equipment? recently you've been seeing some thunderstorms picking up throughout the area. that closes that window when you start to see those thunderstorms. of course, keep in mind that doesn't just affect visibility and wave height but you're talking about that turbulent weather. that's going to be the concern and, of course, the visibility as well. a lot of things to be factoring in. there are a lot of considerations to put into place. kate? >> that's right. and that's just above the
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surface, indra. thank you. david gallo is here to talk about the additional challenges below the surface. you and i have talked many times about the topography and how that poses a challenge. let's talk about other challenges the bluefin would be facing. our first animation here. one thing, if you think about it, it makes sense. one thing it's going to come up against is the sheer darkness. how dark it is down there. why does that matter when it comes to the bluefin? >> well, in this first stage it doesn't matter too much. when you get to the camera stage visibility is important because they want to take photos of the things on the bottom so you want b the best chance of clear water so light will penetrate and get a decent photo. >> as we know, that's going to be the key because the sonar is using sound waves. >> sound. it's not affected by the darkness but the camera will be. >> right. you have to have that because you need to pinpoint where you're going to go, what you have, and if you're ever going to be able to bring it up. >> right. >> another challenge that i find interesting is a temperature.
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the temperature down. what are the temperatures? >> once you get below 1,000 feet, even more towards 2,000 feet, the ocean is above freezing because sunlight doesn't penetrate that deep into water so it's incredibly cold. >> we can understand the affect on the human body but what is the affect on a piece of machinery like the bluefin? >> it can get more brittle but it's more the pressure that is the thing that affects the strustrum strums more. >> we have an animation for the pressure that can build up. you can understand. if you've ever gone scuba diving you can understand pressure just barely. >> positively. >> it's been described as an elephant balancing on a postage stamp. it's a pretty interesting visual. what is the impact of pressure at that depth? >> you want to get the instrument back so you have to have the metals to keep the electronics safe but you've got to have equal amount of flotation to get them back up to the surface. you want to protect that so that doesn't implode and the electronics, the housings don't
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implode, too. >> as we talk about it imploding, it wouldn't necessarily completely implode and disintegrate but it would damage the bluefin enough that it would be inoperable? >> anything with an air pocket is going to get crushed. not only crushed but once it gets crushed it explodes outwards because of the incredible violence of that. it can take out the vehicle without too much trouble at all. >> with that consideration, what then -- how do they factor that into when they decided to go deeper than they originally thought? from 4500 meters to 5,000 meters. is there a big difference there? >> there's a big difference. they have a way offed a justing the software and looking at the components. i'm sure they built big margins in the safety of that vehicle so they could stretch their operating depth out a little bit. >> they wouldn't be doing it unless they knew -- >> i'm sure the teams are positively share that it's safe to do. >> at we one moment what do you think the biggest challenge is for the teams as they consider putting the bluefin in and for
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the bluefin? is it the conditions above the water as indra is pointing out or below? >> it's all that stuff. it's the launch. it's the recovery because you don't want to have the vehicle on the surface and not be able to pick it up. it's the rhythm of getting into the team getting into the rhythm of launch recovery data analysis, uploading, downloading, that stuff. that's probably the most important thing right now. >> as you said, the first two attempts with glitches, you don't really consider them failures. they're just getting their feet wet. >> very common when you've got high technology in a situation like this to have those issues. >> david, thank you very much. indra, thank you, as well. chris? let's go from looking for records to what happens if we find it. when we come back on "new day," if they do find something from flight 370, that's where an rov comes in. that is a remotely operated vehicle. that's what's going to get the black box. we're going to show you how one of these things works ahead. mine was earned in korea in 1953. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971.
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welcome back. right now an unmanned, underwater vehicle, the bluefin-21, is about to head back into the ocean to scan the seafloor for flight 370. now, if the device finds the plane's wreckage what happens next? rosa flores has the answer. >> reporter: this could be the key to solving the mystery of flight 370. it's a remotely operated vehicle, or rov for short.
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once wreckage of flight 370 is identified an rov like this one is likely the next crucial step in finding the plane's black box. >> all of the hydraulic is running. >> reporter: it's controlled from the surface using this joy stick. has lights to illuminate the stark black of the ocean deep. cameras transmitting back footage in realtime. and high frequency sonar to combat the notoriously difficult visibility in the area of the indian ocean where the plane is believed to be. but most importantly the rov has robotic arms called manipulators. >> has jaw, open and close the jaws. >> reporter: they are essentially mechanical hands, able to retrieve objects from the ocean floor, are deeper than any human could withstand.
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>> strand and retract. >> reporter: a second manipulator can be equipped with tools for cutting through metal such as on the fuselage of a plane. >> the ideal if there was a black box. not a problem at all for a rov to pick it up in a basket and recover it back to the vessel. >> reporter: members erts say top priority for investigators is to retrieve both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. this rov called the tritan slx can go to deptd depp depths of but it may have to withstand if pressure of 15,000 feet in water. undert water pulses were detected at that depth last week. unlike the bluefin, searchers are currently using, the ro nec line called umbilical and has a constant power source and is able to feedback information
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immediately. >> the rov can stay submerged for days. >> reporter: and the hope is with these capabilities, the rov will finally manage to bring some answers to the surface. rosa flores, cnn. >> so that's what the rov will do. later this morning, we're going to to take you inside a submarine to demonstrate how hard a search that is. that is martin savidge. he is standing you side what later this morning he will be inside when he takes a test dive. you're not going to want to miss it. >> absolutely not. also coming up next on "new day," families of flight 370, 370 passengers, are taking questions to the top. they want answers to more than two dozen questions and they want them quickly. some of them very technical questions about the search in the investigation. we'll have much more on that. and fighting intensifying in ukraine as vladimir putin admits to sending russian troops into crimea last month. we'll tell you what happened and how it could affect international talks.
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welcome back to "new day." family members of those on board flight 370, those passengers, their family members are frustrated with the malaysian government right now. and they are taking action. they have publicly released a list of 26 questions that they want answered by authorities,
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including where the investigation into the missing plane stands right now. jeff wise is here to walk us through the questions. he's an cnn aviation analyst and contributor to slate.com. jeff, broadly speaking first, what do we know about the family of questions they're asking right now? >> it really runs the gamut to soup to nuts. this is a grab bag of questions that the family members have. everything from incredibly arcane details like the serial number on the black box to much more general questions about how the search is being conducted. >> let's talk about the specifics here. they asked a question, i think, dealing with a question a lot of people have been asking, the emergency locator transmitter. when a plane is trying to land on the sea, can the emergency locator transmitter be activated? the way they asked it is fascinating. >> it's a great question, in fact, because, yes, we haven't detected an elt signal and if a plane crashed into the ocean, should we not have? therefore, where is the plane if
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it's -- they haven't detected the signal. the fact is that we don't know. the malaysian authorities have really not been very forthcoming on this matter. when the plane was delivered by boeing to malaysian airlines it had four elts on it. that was quite a while ago. >> the warning though when a plane is trying to land on the sea is different than crashing. they're asking if the thing sat down on the water might not those have gone off? >> right. a lot of people have beenitying about sulenburger, miracle on the hudson where it sat down gradually. in that case the elts did not go off. >> another question. have the search and rescue teams received final results from the searched areas? are they sure it's impossible that there's anything there? >> right. so we're having to maybe interpret a little bit about what this -- it's a funny translation. but i would -- what i interpret this to mean is they've searched these areas but does that definitively mean that it's not there or did they miss it? search and rescue professionals will tell you when you search an area you're not reducing to zero
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the probability it's there. you're just reducing it closer to zero. and the fact in the ocean, it's different from land, where if something lands on a forest or in a field it will stay there unless somebody moves it. the ocean, you've got currents moving things around, stuff could resurface that had sunk before. this is a great question. how do we know that it's not in some patch of ocean that wasn't previously? >> also. again, these questions are for the families. can the detected frequency of 33.3 correspond to the pinger locator attached to the black boxes? it's a different frequency than the ones we know that the black boxes sent out but can it correspond? >> well, this is a great question. and this really boils down to the heart of what we're doing right now looking on the bottom of the ocean of the bluefin-21. we were told that the pinger locater box was going to be at 37.5. and yet when the signal was obtained it was 33.3. does that rule it out? some experts say no, that, in fact, there are various factors
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that can change the frequency. other, pers say, no, that can't happen. if you have a loved one on that airplane, that's a really, really compelling question. >> let's talk about this broadly speaking because this is a perfect example of it right now. what's the significance of all of these questions? to me, it indicates that they're searching, these gray areas, the unknowns, the non-specifics to try to get a sense of what's going on here. >> unfortunately that's about all this entire riddle is. remember, even to this day we have no physical evidence of what happened to this airplane. all that we really have to go on to believe that it's in the southern area at all is this inmarsat report that was released by the what malaysian authorities and that it's is a very obscure document that doesn't provide a clear picture. so i don't blame at all the family members for having a lot of questions and for being almost disturbed by the level of
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uncertainty. >> but you can see the scenarios that they're creating in almost every case. the first one, what happens when the plane lands on the water? at the end there let's talk about the frequencies, can it correspond and then that second question right there, the areas they already searched, creating scenarios where maybe there was a mistake made in this search and rescue process. >> absolutely. absolutely. as each day goes by and we don't find the wreckage on the sea the questions are only going to get more urgent. what happened to my loved ones? >> does anyone have the answers here? >> nobody has the answers right now. >> these questions are to the malaysian government right now. who would they be better addressed to? boeing at this point, the people in australia at this point, to inmarsat at this point? >> i think we've heard so much confidence from the australian and malaysian authorities saying, look, we're confident we're about to find this plane. if that doesn't pan out i think we're going to -- we're going to ask the authorities why were you
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so confident, what do you know, where does your confidence come from? i think they're going to have to open their books and explain. >> of course, the prime minister of australia saying if they don't find any definitive clues within one week they have to reassess where this work is going. jeff wise, appreciate it. we're following the search for survivors as a ship continues to sink and it may have hundreds of trapped teens and others inside. also another developing story. bloodshed in ukraine. let's go. it doesn't even look like one life raft was deployed. that makes no sense to me. >> people heard a loud thud. certainly indicates they hit something. >> my daughter said to me, mom, i don't want to go there. so i'm very regret. >> we have no physical evidence of 370. >> there's no transparency. >> the record that we've got nothing to hide. >> putin doesn't care. >> mr. putin's decisions are not
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just bad for ukraine, but they will be bad for russia. good morning. welcome back to "new day." it is thursday, april 17th. now 7:00 in the east. and right now rescuers are trying to get to nearly 300 people who are still missing after a ship capsized off south korea's coast. the weather is not cooperating. nine are reported dead. but after more than a day in icy waters officials expect that number to rise. most passengers were high school students headed for vacation. paula hancocks is in jindo, south korea. here is her package with the latest. >> reporter: beneath the frigid waters, nearly 300 people, mostly students and teachers, remain missing. the ship's captain with his head down telling police, i'm sorry. i'm at a loss for words. overnight three bodies were recovered from the sunken ferry bound for a resort island off the southwest coast of south
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korea. the rescue of a 6-year-old girl was caught on tape. her parents and brother were not found. grief stricken family members gather at a harbor in jindo waiting into the night, desperate for any information. a mother's anguish as she recalls encouraging her daughter to take the trip. >> so i tell her, i think this trip will be very great experience for you, for your school days. so i'm very regret -- i'm very regretting that i did that. >> reporter: dramatic video of the first 24 hours of the frantic rescue shows passengers clinging to guardrails and being airlifted to safety. most of the crews about what could have caused the ship to sink come from eyewitnesses who report hearing a loud bank and feeling the ship beginning to tilt. >> it sounds like he hit a submerged object, which caused the gash in the hull which would allow a lot of water.
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>> reporter: if that's the case the gash apparently was large enough to impact several compartments below and capsize the ship. also in question, the handling of the evacuation. according to passengers they were initially told to stay on board. this cellphone video thought to be from inside the ship shows passengers all wearing life jacketss. outside the ship, only one of 46 life boats deployed. these instructions from the crew saying, do not move, if you move, it's more dangerous. do not move, would have cost many lives. one of the ways relatives found out about their loved ones was through text messages. there are a few people in the ship and we are not dead yet, so please send along this message. another student texted his friends. i think we are all going to die. if i did anything wrong to you, please forgive me. i love you all. we just had an update from the coast guard basically telling us that bad visibility has been seriously hampering the rescue operations. they say the investigation --
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the investigating at this point why only one life boat was deployed. also trying to find out why they can't get more people into the ship itself. the divers are finding it incredibly dangerous to get inside. trying to figure out when the cranes arrived, tomorrow morning, whether they can inject more oxygen into the ship to bring it up higher so they can get inside or whether they can tow it closer to land. at this point though they are assuming there may still be surviv survivors. kate, back to you. >> all of that, no comfort to all the families. paula, thank you, thank you very much. this morning preliminary tests of the oil slick in the search area show that it is not aircraft engine oil or hydraulic fluid. we're talking about the search for flight 370. and we're waiting to see if the first complete underwater drone mission yielded any clues as to what happened to flight 370. what we do know is the following. australia's prime minister says their best leads in the
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underwater search will be exhausted in the next week or so. miguel marquez is live in perth, australia, with the latest. miguel? >> reporter: we yeah, kate, this latest news that the oil is not from mh370 comes as a great frustration to families waiting for some physical evidence is plane is down there. this as the bluefin-21 is down for the full first look at the ocean floor there. some 16 hours it's been down there. they now have all that data back there going through it and then it will go down into that area again to continue the search. officials hopeful that they can find that plane. if they don't find it in the area most likely where it will be, where they believe that those pings came from, then as the australian prime minister and as the transport minister in malaysia said today they will have to reassess this, they will have to figure out a new area to search and begin again. chris? kate?
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back to you. >> miguel, thank you very much. let's bring in david gallo. you will remember him. co-leader in the search for air france 447 and director of special projectsed a the woods hole oceanoography. shawn, david, good to have you here. >> good morning. >> let's start with what we hear from the australian prime minister. i want to make sure. the word is regroup. we may have to regroup in a week. how is that statement to be assessed? does that mean this may be a failed effort? does that mean that they may have to rethink because this is insufficient, or does it mean something else? >> i hope that we're just misinterpreting his intentions because if i was on board that ship and part of that team i would be frustrated with that statement and we're just getting going here. they've had their first solid mission and there's a bunch more they've got to complete before they can cross off what they're doing now. i think we're a ways away. >> and also, shawn, we're understanding more about why there is confidence in searching this particular area. turns out it's not just about
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handshakes and pings, but analysis done through expected data of performance from this aircraft. so what do we now know about what analysts were able to put together that gives them this confidence? >> well, what we know is that -- that they are saying they have more information, some more information from the -- from the aircraft and i think more importantly in the last day or so is information from the satellite. recalibrating, looking at their calculations and trying to narrow down where this search area might be. we still have a long ways to go and to try to figure out what really are the best areas when we start introducing new data. right? this is a very much a still dynamic process. and even though this first area doesn't appear to be panning out, although, you know, i caution even those ideas because as david might have mentioned earlier, that the bluefin is still very early in its
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attempts. and so, you know, i think we still need to kind of wait and see what information that's able to provide before we move on to other areas. >> fair criticism of all of us, not you guys because you're enlisted as experts but us pushing you with the questions. it took you two years to find it there and successful effort. >> two years of calendar time but ten weeks of sea time. >> that's an important distinction there. >> sure. >> two years calendar time. ten weeks. they're catching up on you because they're doing week after week here. >> that's right. again, nothing -- nothing happens very quickly and it's all a matter of covering terrain with that vehicle. we had the same thing. we had more vehicles but we had -- we were working initially a larger area than they're looking at right now. >> it may have been headed to perth. why have any confidence in that assumption? >> i'm out of my expertise but following the arguments about whether there was an autopilot on and that's i guess the latest argument. maybe shawn is better off to answer that question. >> why would we have any
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confidence it would be headed to perth? why would we have any confidence that it was on autopilot? >> i don't think we should have any confidence in that. we don't really have any data points to help really build a story or an idea around that. we're still trying to piece together such sketchy data points we're grasping at straws here. until we get more information, that's going to be from the boxes, unfortunately, we're not going to know if this aircraft was on autopilot or not. >> all right. also, help me with something, david. we're getting mealy mouth talk about this bluefin-21. needed to be recalibrated. it's out of its depth. there are challenges. is it working or not? >> it's working, chris. mealy mouth, i don't know. i think it's just unfamiliarity with this ocean exploration. so it's a fairly new piece of technology. it's high tech. it's operating in rough environments. so that this is to be expected. even on air france we had a number of aborts ee s early on
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because of depth or electronic issues. this is not unusual. >> you've become a very familiar face on the network that is taking this story most seriously. >> right. >> vas a result, you have the actual representatives and family members of the assumed victims of 370 reaching out to you directly? >> i've heard from assorted people, yes. >> what do they want to know? >> the same questions we have. what are the solid facts that lead us to believe that plane headed south, what are the solid facts, tangible facts, that we're looking in that area? why are we looking in that specific area. >> and, shawn, as you evaluate the situation, it doesn't size up as a goose chase, do you believe that they have real facts here but there are a lot of unknowns and that's the cause of the frustration? >> absolutely. you know, this is a very dynamic process, right? we have very vague data points. so to be able to but those points together to develop search areas and theories and so
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forth is extremely challenging. there's going to be this going back and forth, where we think we have an area pinned down, we search it, we don't find anything. we have to move on to another area. although it may seem frustrating and i can certainly understand why it is, this is a normal part of these types of search efforts. and i think as david alluded to, you know, there's numerous challenges that everyone that the world is just now becoming aware of because most people do not operate in these environments, you know, these are normal events for these types of search efforts. certainly this one being as massive as it is and drawing out as long as it is, you know, really unchartered waters. no pun intended. but you know, there's no playbook here being followed to the letter, so to speak. it's being developed as it goes and there are new ideas. i think it's great they're bringing in fresh per expect i.s, looking at new data and willing to go back and look at previous data through a different perspective is really shows the professionalism and
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the talent these individuals have. >> shawn, david, thank you very much. kate? >> thanks, chris. also new this morning. fiery words from russian president vladimir putin. he declared kiev is to blame for troubles in ukraine on his russian television show. a marathon kind of press conference that he had. he also said russia did not plan to annex crimea from ukraine. this all comes as foreign minister for ukraine and russia meet in geneva to try and establish a diplomatic framework to calm the tensions there. joining us to discuss, christiane amanpour, host of cnn's international "amanpour" and you can see"amanpour" at 2:00 p.m. on cni.
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a couple of things stick out to us. one being we says our plan was not for the annexation of crimea but he also admits that russian troops were there before and during the referendum. >> that's right. >> full stop, wait a second, that's the opposite of what you said. >> it goes to two two interesting issues here. first and foremost, everybody knew they were russian troops under a disguised situation. so are they soon going to admit russian troops in r. in eastern ukraine? we don't know. some analyzed that putin is making all of this up as he goes along. he probably didn't have plans to annex crimea five years ago. this is what some of the russian individuals and western officials have been saying. this is what makes it very difficult to predict what he's going to do next. and he did go on to say that he has the right to invade eastern ukraine. he said his parliament has given him that authority. he has the right to do that. he hopes he won't have to do that but he can do it. he also, i find this very
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disturbing, called all those parts of yearn ukraine new russia. he named those very areas that are having these separatist vugvug struggles right now and called tell new russia. he did say the talks in geneva are important and they have to figure out a political way out of this. a political way out as long as it satisfies russia. so we'll see what they can negotiate in gentlemyes geneva anything at all. and then you have this what they're doing they have to do in order to protect the russian speaking, ethnic russians in eastern ukraine. the problem is that even now there are polls being taken there that are saying that actually these people do not feel under threat by the ukrainians, by the interim ukrainian administration. this is all being stirred up. the united nations said while there had been some cases of harassment, by no means was it wide spread or systemic or planned by the ukrainian authorities. so the premise for putin's
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intervention is based on mythology and fabrications. and this is the problem. >> it's constantly, you say one thing and then you almost say the opposite. it's very difficult to square what he's saying. in one breath he says these talks in geneva are important to figure a way out of this. in the next breath he continues to call the government in kiev illegitimate and then also said that the elections planned for next month, they can't go on because they're a ledge might as well. >> this could be a situation that then becomes the next crisis. are they going to have these presidential elections? russians are saying they have -- we'll see. that's all very politically difficult and in the woods. the real issue is, what does the west do, what does nato do, what do the countries who are concerned do about what they have described as force i believe annexing of territory. >> president obama in an interview with cbs talked about there will be a greater cost if russia does not stand down but
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he did not give the detail into what kind of costs that would be. >> they've already decided there will probably be more sanctions but not blanket sanctions on the russian economy. more and more officials, people who understand these diplomatic negotiations are saying that unless the west as a whole, that means the united states, plus all its western allies, gets super tough on sanctions, sanctions that will hurt them as well as hurt russia, it's not going to work. in order to hurt russia you've got to be willing to take pain yourself, which is not popular, not easy to do but that will be the only way to impose economic pain, isolation pain on russia, if these western countries are willing to take some pain themselves. >> are we seeing that kind of change that germany, poland, they're more along the line of we're ready to take that step? >> some countries are. some aren't. and this is the problem. within in united states, europe, some countries have a much more hard line attitude to this.
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others don't. the big issue, of course, is how do we become more energy independent so we're not reliant on russian national gas and energy. >> that's a long-term problem that they all knew was coming. >> but they have to deal with it because otherwise they have no leverage and no pressure on russia. and putin in his presser today has, i think, doubled down to an extent. he's been incredibly aggressive again in his public statements. >> all coming probably not a coincidence on the same day the talks are set to begin in geneva. thanks. let's get to john berman in for michaela. >> we dobreaking news on the subject of vladimir putin on this news conference he's giving. nsa leaker edward snowden asked vladimir putin a question about surveillance in russia. snowden asked if russia spies on people and saves the data. the russian president responded that russian intelligence is not
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carrying out mass collections of citizen das a but he said they do listen to telephone calls, internet communications with court approval. the question was asked during this question and answer question on vladimir putin's television show. meanwhile, a new wrinkle in the irs scandal vorveling the targeting of tea party groups. judicial watch has released e-mails that shows thing a si in talks with the justice department to investigate some tax exempt organizations for possible fraud. the new documents show just how close the government came to criminal investigations before the irs targeting became public knowledge. one year after a deadly fertilizer plant explosion rocked west texas there is new video showing just how powerful this blast was. pictures here just simply stunning. taken from a car nearby which is moments to spare. you will remember 15 people were killed. hundreds of people damaged or destroyed. the explosion actually registered as a 2.1 magnitude
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earthquake and felt 50 miles away. exactly what sparked that plant fire is still unknown. the community will hold a memorial tonight to remember the fallen. pope francis taking a holy thursday ritual directly to the people. earlier he held mass at the vatican. later today he will highlight the dignity and value elderly and the disabled by washing their feet. the event commemorates jesus washing the feet of his 12 disciples before the last supper. last year the pontiff washed the feet of prisoners at a deteng cent detention center. >> what a metaphor as the message that the church has to put itself before the people who need help and the washing of the feet is a great example. >> he delivers that message every day in really i'every way >> he's going to include muslim women which is sending a signal of equality. good stuff. coming up on "new day," frustration finally boiling over. flight 370 families are taking
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welcome back. while the underwater search continues for flight 370, families of the missing passengers are growing increasingly frustrated with malaysian authorities over the investigation and how it's being run. they've released a list of some very technical questions that they would like answered, asking for air traffic control audio, specifics on black boxes, and whether protocol was followed throughout. sarah bajc is joining us live from beijing this morning, partner of philip wood, an american on board flight 370. sarah, thank you so much once again for joining us. i think it's important that we always start with the simple question of, we're now past day 40 in this search. there is still no physical evidence of the plane or where the plane could be.
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you've talked before about the roller coaster of emotion that you continue to go through. how are you today? >> well, i'm feeling like it's day one instead of day 41, if we consider what we actually know has happened to this plane. and before we go forward with any more questions i would like to put out a huge thank you to david who was on your show earlier today. he has been an enormous help and support to the family groups around i admit to being one of the people who is regularly peppering his e-mail box. so thank you for having him on the show and thank him for his efforts. >> so are you talking of david gallo? >> yes, yes. >> i wanted to ask you about that. because we looked through the list of questions that the family of the chinese passengers have put forth to malaysian authorities. some of them are very technical. i wonder, what questions you
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have, what is your big question and why do you reach out to david gallo? what are the questions that you're seeking from him? >> well, the chinese family group is filled with a lot of very, very smart people. many of them with good scientific training, as well. so, you know, they've taken that kind of an approach to education. and i think you'll see another round of those kinds of questions coming out of the malaysian families in this saturday's briefing. i kind of sit between the two groups because i live in beijing currently. i've been here for seven years. and therefore i have the chance to meet with the chinese families in person but i'm also moving to kuala lumpur in the summer and i'm a regular party of those family meetings, as well. so i think what we're trying to do is be smarter than the investigators at this point. they're not getting very far, so we started to take research into
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our own hands. >> do you not trust the investigation, both in kuala lumpur and in perth, or is i one part of the investigation in particular? >> well, it's hard to trust an investigation unit, speaking of the malaysian government, that is so consistently contradicted itself. we're not talking about other people contradicting them. they're contradicting themselves. i think the australians are doing a terrific job, but the reality is they can only do what the malaysians ask them to do. just like the ntsb, just like the u.s. government, just like any other government, they can only do what the malaysians tell them to do. so one thing that i would personally like to spend some attention to is how to perhaps get the malaysian government out of that role of power. you know, they're mishandling this to gross negligence and we need to get them out of the way. >> what are some of the
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questions that remain unanswered for you, that you would like to pose to malaysian authorities or to anyone else in charge? >> well, we would like to go back to the very beginning. you know, what happened on that first day? what happened in those first five hours in between when the flight went missing and when they reported it missing? we would like to go back to where the flight actually did disappear and whose jurisdiction it truly belongs to. we've all just assumed that malaysia was taking control of this but recently it surfaced that it could have happened actually in singaporean controlled waters instead. i'm not an expert on that so i could be completely misreading the information i've been given. certainly we need people who know more about that than i do to look into it. >> we heard from the australian prime minister. he spoke with the "wall street journal." and in their conversation he said that they believe they will
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have kind of exhausted this search area where that bluefin underwater submersible is in about a week. after that they will regroup, reconsider, and kind of rethink where they are with the search. does that worry you? >> it worries me in some ways because, again, we're back to square one but it also makes me more confident in the fact that we need to completely change our approach here because, you know, they never have even shared why they believe that's the area. so how can we be confident that they will pick the next area correctly? >> is there some bit of information or is there some conversation that you think you could have that would make you more comfortable with the investigation? is it simply just getting the malaysians out of the equation, though that doesn't seem like a likely scenario? >> well, it's worth push for. it might not be likely but we
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can at least try to get other organizations with more expertise and more accountability engaged in a more active role. but, you know, at the core of this is that nobody really has access to raw data. the malaysians have only distributed bits and pieces and sometimes even modified data to these for assessment. so we really need to get back to square one and gain access to the original raw data that was coming out of the flight control, out of radar systems, out of any kinds of communication devices that might have been on board that plane. you know, we need to go back to the beginning. >> sarah, we really hope that through our conversations we can continue to understand the questions that you and the other families continue to have and also push to get some of the answers that you so deserve and you demand. sarah bajc, it's great to see you. thank you very much for coming in once again. chris? coming up on "new day," every second counts. the latest on the rescue efforts
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a lot of news this morning. let's get to john berman in for michaela who is under the weather this morning. >> rescuers are battling harsh conditions as they race to find survivors. 300 people are missing.
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at least nine are dead. officials do expect that number to rise substantially. most of the passengers, high school students headed for vacation. some hope survivors are alive in air pocket tons ship but after more than a day in frigid water, time is running out. new developments in the search for flight 370. data being analyzed after the bluefin-21 mini sub completed its mission. initial tests on the oil slicks in the search show they are not from an aircraft engine. australia's prime minister says he expects the best leads not search will be exhausted in about a week. after that, he says crews will have to reassess. malaysia's transportation minister vows to keep on looking. breaking this morning. russian president vladimir putin standing by russia's actions in ukraine. he's admitting that troops were in crimea and he blames kiev for not opening a constructive dialogue. in the meantime, a fresh round of violence as tensions reaching
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a boiling point in ukraine. three people were killed when hundreds stormed the ukrainian military base there. chris? >> got a situation on the ground and certainly a political situation that is surrounding it. let's get to "inside politics" on "new day" with mr. john king. >> you just mentioned vladimir putin acknowledging his troops are inside ukraine as crimea broke off. let's talk about that and more with bloomberg news and "the washington post." let's start with the president and his options. you're about to travel next week with the vice president going to ukraine. that's part of the administration showing its support for the new government. but vladimir putin at the moment doesn't appear to be listening. the president yesterday had an interview with cbs news, listen to hear as the president is voicing again his hope, his hope that diplomacy ultimately will work. >> each time russia takes these kinds of steps that are designed to destabilize ukraine and violate their sovereignty, there
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are going to be consequences. >> is he mocking you and the u.s. military? >> they're not interested in any kind of military confrontation with us. understanding that our conventional forces are significantly superior to the russians. we don't need a war. >> the end of that sentence is quite interesting. the president saying we don't need a war. i hope sanctions work, but then working in the -- he understands our forces are fap more superior than his. we have a war of words and a test of wills between the two leaders. is there any confidence at the white house that the current approach, sanctions only, relatively modest sanctions, will work? >> he said there was that shot at vladimir putin echos what he said a few weeks ago that said the u.s. is a super power. russia is a regional power. you're right, it is a war of words. what the white house says now they're focused on they have a package of sanctions that they're ready to impose on russia. again, their target, putin's cronies and the entities that they're affiliated with. they're also holding out the
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possibility of sectorial sectors. really hitting russia's economy which they're saying the threat of just having those sanctions has already caused the ruble, russia's currency, to fall to lows. the stock market to drop. and so what they're focusing now on is political and real economic isolation of russia. >> and the question is does that impact putin, does he feel that heat, does he think at home where he now thinks he's being helped is it starting to hurt him? you heard major garrett ask the question, is he mocking you? the president didn't answer it directly. this morning, overnight, vladimir putin had a lengthy television appearance in russia answering questions. among the questions came, watch this, we can show it on our screen, from edward snowden who the president of the united states believes should be returned to the united states, should stand trial and should spend a long time, perhaps the rest of his life in prison. is allowing that to happen, that's not an accident. allowing that to happen, is vladimir putin mocking -- >> yes, absolutely.
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and this is part of the deterioration of this relationship. obama came in thinking there would be a reset with russia, with kind of global community. in general, this is a reminder of how often foreign affairs can shape and reshape presidencies. obama going forward next week is traveling to asia and he wanted very much to pivot to his relationship -- to the country's relationship with asia. and that looks like it's going to be impacted by what's going on in russia because there's so much attention that has to go there. >> excellent point. distraction of this crisis as well as the enormous day-to-day dealings. the president did that interview with cbs in pennsylvania. he was there with his best pal, vice president joe biden. we're told they're best pals because we can show you a selfie. selfies, if you do it at the white house and you're a baseball player it's bad. if you do it in the back of the lem seen, the president and vice president of the united states, it's okay. guiliana, help us with the politics.
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fascinating relationship. >> politics of selfie? >> in the sense that over the past couple months we've had several examples of where the vice president has been slighted, he thinks, in his staff, more importantly thinks. the president gives an interview with cbs, we'll have our -- joint interview with hillary clinton and woman president pretty soon. all the obama staff is on the super pac supporting hillary. >> if you thought they were fren mys, great bromance but these kinds of selfies should be banned. >> selfies are over. >> thatd doney don't look good. with an eye to 2014 they're trying to energize young people, trying to energy jooize the bas. i do think there was a sense that biden might have felt a little slighted by the joint interview that the president gave with hillary clinton a short while ago. >> the interesting thing for me is will they take this road show to any place that has a competitive senate race. pennsylvania, pretty safe. >> go to louisiana or north
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carolina. >> another politician we're watching and maybe joe biden is watching as he looks ahead to 2016 is the freshman senator from massachusetts, elizabeth warren smep sa warren. she says i'm not running in 2016. she signed a letter asking hillary clinton to run in 2016. she has a new book and she talks about, remember, elizabeth warren first started in washington when she took over this new oversight agency, the consumer protection agency. and the president asked her to build it but then made clear he couldn't nominate her to lead it because senate republicans didn't like her. she describes in this book a moment, a conversation with the president outside of the oval office and she says, when she says, i'm not sure way want to do this. he said, injure jamming me, elizabeth. sometimes you have to trust the president. he urged me not to overplay my hand. got it. you would have to say now given her prominence that she's happy she listened to the president. >> yeah. i would say. and also you know, the president was able to get something out of elizabeth warren as well, if you remember in 2010 he touted the friend ship with elizabeth warren to hail his own populous
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credentials. so she is now the -- holds a populous mantel of the democratic party, i think. >> and that book very much explores it. all these scenes with larry summers where he talks to her about whether or not you're going to be an insider or outsider. he of course is counseling her to be an insider and she of course wants to be an outsider. >> he says insiders don't criticize other insiders. not with names attached to it anyway. she's going to travel promoting the book. it's going to raise suspicions despite everything she has said that she's leaving the door open a little bit. >> yeah. i think that's right. and she -- if she were to enter this race and hillary -- we're predicting something that we don't know is going to happen. but if she would ever enter the race she would be challenging clinton from the left. you know, i'm always curious to see whether or not this is really an inside the beltway bubble that warren has experienced or if she really has grass roots appeal in iowa, in south carolina, in new hampshire. hard to say. >> also an interesting to read the sections about scott brown ahead of his own senate race in
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new hampshire. >> true. let's come back to another guy who we think should be a candidate in 2016 if he can survive bridgegate. chris christie and it seems like every day as we learn about this internal investigation the governor launched to try to get ahead of the legislative investigation and the federal investigation, the more we learn about it the more you simply have to roll your eyes. again, even if, even if this law firm he hired did everything just right and even if they played it by the book, we learned a few days ago that a woman, debra wong yang, she was among the attorneys who questioned him. if you're a critic, how can you let that happen? we learned yesterday the law firm gave $10,000 to the republican governor's association which chris christie heads, nine days before releasing its internal review that said chris christie did nothing wrong. forgive me. politics 101 that equals -- that's just pure stupidity. >> it's just this drip drip of bad news that is infecting the christie administration right now. this is the guy who had been
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anointed as the next republican presidential nominee on a national magazine. he was the money guy to get wall street. all of this is causing wall street the big money donors to look elsewhere. >> it's causing a surge among everyone who haven't christie, right, rand paul, ted cruise. you can imagine, all of this is going to come back to bite him in a debate. you can hear rand paul now talking about the taxpayer funded investigation into this. >> thanks. as we get back to new york, was know, if you're going to have an investigation, don't let a dear friend interview you, ladies and gentlemen, and make sure they don't give you money right before they release their report. just a little -- just a tip. >> good tip. dooley noted. >> rules to live by. >> exactly. thanks, john. coming up next on "new day," an emotional apology from the captain of the sunken ferry in south korea. we're going to talk to a retired coast guard captain about the very tough and urgent rescue ef fors still under way.
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that terrible accident involving a ship off the coast of south korea that was ferrying these kids to a vacation weekend. now, this morning we're learning that only one of 46 life boats was deployed. passengers were supposedly, reportedly, told to stay in place. there are a lot of questions about whether or not that would have cost lives because it took away time from being able to rescue themselves. joining you now from boston is retired u.s. coast guard captain peter. captain, it's good to have you was. up in front of me i have a chart. this is the nautical chart of the area where this ship is. it's interesting. i know you can't see it but for the folks at home, to get some understanding of this, the red "x" is where we believe the ship is right now. this is the channel. the channel is the main waterway where you want to be. the theory is that it must have hit something, must have gone outside the channel. here's what's making that tough to understand right now. all of these little blue areas and things, these were the areas you want to avoid, shallow areas, obstructions, rocks.
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this is in meters. 60s, 60s, 60s, 50s. this is all over 150 feet deep. so it expands the understanding or, you know, of really the questions of how this could have happened. so, cap, what i was showing them is this straight channel chart there. plenty of t water everywhere to both sides of it really suggesting it's tough to get in trouble in that area, something who someone who frequently travels the area would know. what is that big boom that they heard? >> well, it's a well traveled area. it's interesting reports are that perhaps it's a replacement captain on board. earlier we heard that the ferry was delayed initially due to fog in port. so, you know, we're not sure what that means yet. but it raises a question of whether or not the possibility of faster speed or cutting corners. but as you note, it is well
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traveled. there is reasonably good water there. you know, the speed with which this vessel took on water and heeled over and laid on its side and went down, very fast, a couple of hours. that suggests some type of massive flooding. and it could have happened a couple ways. one is a hull breach. and a hull breach could occur either because it struck something or something struck it producing a hole in the skin of the ship. or it could have been caused by something inside the ship, perhaps some type of major malfunction or even bursting from inside. there's a second category of reasons. and if you look at the history of major ferry disasters and it's a sad, sad fact that we have plenty of data because there is a long history of very catastrophic ferry incidents. another cause of these major
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incidents is either catastrophic system failure or operator error. so, for example, even cases with a large doors allowing the vehicles to come on and off are either left open or not properly sealed. now, there's no indication here that it was left open, but the point being that system failure or operator error can also lead to catastrophic ferry accidents. and this type of ferry has a large open deck for the vehicles to roll in, like several driveways parallel to each other inside the ship. the rest of the ship is built with come part ms. the reason for the come partpar if the hull breached spanning more than one compartment it could have quick flooding and heel over on its side. more troubling if that auto deck
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was breached by flooding, at that point it's one very large open space and at that point things move very quickly and very badly. >> we know it wasn't a rogue wave so something had to happen from outside or inside that breached that hull. the other question for you, cap. the reporting that people were told to stay in place. the reporting that only one life boat used. is that unusual for you to give a command to stay in place in a situation of distress? >> you know, there are some examples, some limited examples where vessel was believed to be going down and the order was given to evacuate. if you can imagine going from a large ship at sea on to a small ship it's not easy and that alone can be dangerous. and some limited examples where that was done only to find out that the large ship was not sinking. and so injuries caused as a result of sort of pulling the
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trigger to leave too soon. however, the other side of the coin is, that the captain and the crew have to very quickly make a critical assessment. when something happens to the ship, the critical assessment is, is this minor damage or does this have the potential for catastrophic damage? if it has the potential for catastrophic damage, time is limited. there's a real sense of urgency to move people while it's possible to move them. and here i think only one out of 46 life boats might be a clue to a number of issues. as the ship begins to heel significantly, lay over on to its side, it becomes difficult or impossible to launch those boats. >> especially on the side that's in the water. captain, thank you so much for the insight. also important to note, only one life boat was used to note. the captain did make it off the ship. kate? coming up next on "new day," so many hurdles in the search
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welcome back to "new day." the search continues for flight 370. search teams awaiting new analysis that will show if the unmanned sub found anything in its first full search mission of the ocean floor. but at such extreme depths, questions remain as to whether that technology is up to the
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very tough task. joining us now cnn correspondent martin savidge with a truly unique perspective, in a submarine 50 feet below the surface with phil newton of newco research. we should know, martin, before we go that the sub you're demonstrating most likely will not be used in the recovery of 370, but is capable of reaching depths other unmanned subs can't reach. what's it like? it looks pretty tight? >> reporter: it's extremely tight. good morning, kate. the very fact that we're able to bring this to you live from down here in horseshoe bay in british columbia is quite remarkable. what we're doing now is we're kind of maneuvering to be able to try and show you something here. we're resting on the bottom, and
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let me look back towards phil. phil newton is right here with me. as you can see, we've become very close friends, as everybody else inside this submersible. just so you know, there are four of us in a space that i would say would seem -- let's go to our pilot. jeff eaton is the man who is actually driving this thing. i would point out that phil newton has years and years, decades of upped water recovery effort. >> that's true. like everything else, it's never easy. as you can see as we move to get a better grip on this thing, a big cloud of silt swells up from the bottom. we have to wait for the silt to settle before we can see what we're doing. no matter what method is used to cover any portion of the wreckage or the data recorder,
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the same problem is going to hold true. >> we can actually look out through this -- this is plexiglas here? >> yes, flex glass. >> just to reassure me? >> three inches thick. a panoramic view. you can look out here. as phil has already mentioned, they call it -- >> the emerald sea. >> yes, for a reason. you can see there's a great deal of stuff that's hanging in the water and really that's not necessarily this could be very much what they face at great depths down there. visibility is always going to be the issue. you can push out here. what we're working on is there is a mechanical arm, very similar to what might be on an rov that would be used in the retroefl process of something like, say, a black box: we have
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a black box. we'll demonstrate that later after the water settles. i don't know if i mentioned clauft phobia has been an issue. phil has been great at talking me through this, walking me through it. it's chilly down here. the vessel here -- i don't know if you can show up here, but there's condensation. so you've got extremely tight quarters. you're working under very great pressures and you're essentially operating and would be operating in something like this for hours on end. this isn't just a, make a journey down and come right back up again. >> no, absolutely. once you're on the bottom, you're there to work. you keep working until you either accomplish the task or decide you can accomplish it. >> we talked about the unmanned
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vehicles could be used. we already mentioned the bluefin-21. that one is just to find the wreckage, correct? >> that's correct. there's no way to really control it. you can see as we're playing here with the manipulator, really fine control is required. a lot of work class rovs have that sort of control, but have the unfortunate umbilical going to the surface. >> the cable that runs miles to the surface. >> miles to the surface, there could be cross-currents pushing it in various directions makes it very difficult. a free-swimming, man-tethered submersible is much easier to operate under these conditions. >> so it's possible they would be sending people down? >> absolutely. >> at what depth does this submarine operate? >> we can go down -- what did we say? this one in particular goes down to a depth -- >> it's designed to carry how
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many people? i don't know if we've pushed the limits here. >> we have here. it's a lot more comfortable with three. four is a lot. >> we should point out that, you know, we're actually sort of -- you can see us laying on these sofas which is a grand description, we've got feray, the camera person kneeling directly. in the back we've got jeff. it is extremely cramped. this is not for a person who has any difficulty being in a tight space. i would say the front seat of my ford focus might have a little more room for all of us. >> plus we're sitting on an incline. this is the sort of thing you'd find on the sea floor. this is not a steeping plane, but you can see how difficult it is to operate in that position. >> we've got it tricked out, so many cameras in so many ways that we'll be able to show you throughout the day various efforts and various ways we can
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try to manipulate, try to maneuver, but most of all to demonstrate to you that this is not an easy process down on the bottom. we're not that deep. imagine if you were at tremendous depth, huge challenges to show you. >> the darkness, the temperatures, the pressure, all of those factors would come into play at those depths. we can see that the water is clearing up a little bit behind you. we're going to come back to you guys throughout the show so you can show us. i've got to say, martin is a stronger man than i am a woman staying calm under those conditions. thank you very much, everybody back there, thank you so much. we'll get back to you throughout the show. truly amazing getting that perspective. >> he's going to be down there all day? >> probably doesn't need to be reminded. >> i don't think he needs to be reminded. that is going above and beyond, i guess below and beyond. >> when you see it, it offers
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such a unique perspective. we talked about with animation, if you will, kind of cartoon images of what it would look like being down there trying to search and trying to recover some of any debris that they would find. but seeing it and seeing the difficulty they're working under, it really opens your eyes. >> martin savidge, even more respect, like we didn't respect him enough already. amazing. we'll be bringing you that as there are good things to see down there. right now we'll take a break. once again, families are waiting for word of missing loved ones. this time it is the ship being searched for teenagers. we're going to go there. 6 -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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good morning and welcome once again to "new day." it is thursday, april 17, 8:00 in the east. rescuering are battling harsh conditions as they race to find nearly 300 people still missing after a ferry capsized off south
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korea's coast. most of the passengers, high school students headed for vacation. at least nine people are now confirmed dead. but officials do expect that number to rise, especially as the hours tick by. paula hancocks is live in jindo, south korea, with the latest. >> reporter: certainly the weather hasn't been cooperating today. it's nightfall once again. these families are spending a second night desperately looking across the horizon for any word of survivors. this is the only place they can go. they are waiting for anything to be told to them. we have new information from the maritime police. they tell us they have been trying to get divers all day inside the cabins. at least six times they've been trying to get divers inside. each time they have failed because there's such poor visibility. there's strong currents under water. three divers were swept away and
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picked up someplace else. but just to show how difficult the search and rescue operation is. it's not enough for the families. we have the president of south korea touring the area earlier, insisting everything that could be done would be done. we know there's 171 vessels, 29 helicopters, more than 500 divers. part of the investigation as well is to find out why only one out of 46 life boats was deployed. certainly the fact that the pa announcement was telling people to stay put as the ship was sinking. that is something that will be looked at very closely. there are fears that could have cost lives. back to you. >> one lifeboat deployed, but the captain and crew made it off the ship. raising lots of questions. we want to shift now to the search for flight 370. preliminary tests of the oil slick in the search area show it is not from an aircraft. meantime, data from the first complete bluefin mission is being analyzed to see if it
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holds any crews. now australia's prime minister says he expects the best leads in the search to fade in the next week or so. let's go to miguel marquez like in perth, australia with the latest. >> reporter: hey there, chris. the information that oil is not from mh370 will come as a hard blow to families hoping for some physical evidence the plane is down there. that is not what they are finding. keep in mind the search on the surface is still going on. american p8 po sigh den aircraft is going up every day, the p3 is going out. ships are responding to what those planes are seeing, trying to pick up any sign of debris in that area. that said, the bluefin-21 has been down for its third and full day of searching the ocean floor and is going back down again for another day. they seem to be working out the kinks of that airplane, of that submersible. both the transportation minister for the malaysians and the pm
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here, the prime minister of australia saying that within the next week or so they will exhaust that one area, that very specific area they are looking at based on the pings. if they don't find anything there, they will have to go back to the drawing board, back to the map basically and figure out the next place that they start searching. kate, chris, back to you. >> mig kel, thank you very much. let's bring in cnn safety analyst david soucie. david, good morning. what miguel was talking about, the australian prime minister said a couple interesting things, that in a week they'll probably have covered this search area. if they don't find anything, they'll stop, regroup, reconsider. >> in investigations you follow every lead toits end. what he's saying in my opinion is he's reached the end. that will be the end of these
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searches. if they don't reach something within a week, they will have said, we heard the wings, we looked where the pings were and didn't find anything. now when he says regroup, that's the question. how far do you regroup? do you go all the way back to the march sat data? there's nothing that says i'm 370 with the pings. there's just something there. how far do you regroup to? what i would recommend is go back to what we call white sheet planning. white sheet planning says we've considered every assumption we've made. if you make an assumption early on in your strategy. >> could set you on the wrong path. >> could set you on the wrong path. let's go to the n march sat data and accept the rest of it, you still might be on the wrong path. i'm not there. i don't have all the information they do. but a white sheet planning at this point would probably be a
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good thing at least to re-evaluate everything. >> david gallo said that he thinks that's a little short. you should allow this to play out and we shouldn't judge that there might be something picked up today, tomorrow or in the next couple days because the bluefin finally got down there to finish its first full mission. >> true. this goes along with what we were saying a couple days ago. why don't they have more than one down there? clearly they believe with this strategy that it has to be within this small area, within maybe 400 or 500 square miles. they believe within a week they will have exhausted where they found the ping, especially the first two-hour ping. if it was around the two-hour ping area, we will have searched that out in a week. coupled they keep searching? i suppose. they're really confident in my mind that this is where it is and they can exhaust just that one probability in their head. >> what realistically then -- you kind of listed the other possibilities. what is the next phase?
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we haven't been talking about it. we've been talking about once they put the bluefin in, it's likely they'll find something. >> right. thaefs not over yet. he's just saying we should have an answer in the week. that answer could be terribly disappointing or very good. there's not a lot of gray area when examining specific leads like that. you set up a strategy, set key performance indicators. what is it that proves success or failure in a mission? that's what they've done. they'll say we'll know these key performance indicators within a week. if they don't reach them, then the other side is we don't have what we're looking for. >> david, i also found very interesting that the list of questions that the families of the chinese passengers on the flight have put together and presented. they're very technical. they're beyond my understanding of what they're trying to get at, asking very detailed questions about the emergency locater transmitter, about the black box, asking what the serial number is. what are they trying to get to?
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>> i'm very impressed with those questions. i think what we're getting to or what i can drive out of that, these are not the meanderings of grief-torn people. these are intelligent people -- there were 30 or 40 engineers on board this aircraft. their families, their people that they hang out with and socialize with, their families are wanting answers. they're not going to settle for, well, we've got this answer and here is the result. they want to know how they got that result. very, very good questions, every one of them. >> one thing, an additional thing that came out today that i found interesting in the "wall street journal" also saying there's some suggestion that the analysis of the data indicated that the plane was actually traveling towards western australia, towards perth and that it may have been on auto pilot at the time. >> well, towards perth we've kind of suspected all along just because of its trajectory and where it might be going. >> how do they get that it could have been on auto pilot?
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>> that's the thing i'm a little confused about as well. if it were on auto pilot and the engines ran out of fuel and they're at 35,000 feet, the nose of the air croft would lift to about 45 degrees before reaching the auto pilot heading. at that point the aircraft could be in a steep stall. without controlling and making dramatic changes to the aircraft, it would impact the water with a great deal of impact and force and destroy the aircraft. there would be debris everywhere. >> you would think if that was a case, there would be a better chance to see debris on the surface. >> there's other reasons we don't see debris on the surface because of all the wind conditions. can't really rule that out. i would think probably the auto pilot was not on simply because of that. if the aircraft went in in a slow and gradual attempt to ditch, it would be more -- this would be more indicative of that because we don't have debris, the elts didn't go off. a lot of other evidence showing it probably didn't have the auto pilot on. >> elt -- i'm learning all this
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on the fly -- the emergency locater transmitter. >> a deceleration transmitter. if it desell rates at a certain rate, impact or abrupt stop it would go off and within minutes -- satellites are listening for that signal. within minutes we would have a triangulation of where it went into the water. >> david, thank you so much. let's go over to john berman in for michaela. >> more rough talk from russian president vladimir putin. he calls the new ukrainian government illegitimate. putin says he hopes he will not have to use force, but he says he has the right to. president obama says there will be consequences if russia doesn't back off. secretary of state john kerry and top european officials are meeting with leaders from ukraine and russia, as the u.s. is expected to announce more help for ukraine.
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welcome back to "new day." this morning officials are analyzing the data from the upped water vehicle scanning the indian ocean floor looking for flight 370. airline investigations are a monumental operation and deep sea forensics is the key to solving. investigators must send cameras, retrieve wreckage and hopefully the black box included. let's bring in david gallo, co-leader for air france flight 447 and director of special projects at woods hole oceanographic institution. i think it's so important to show what we have from past investigations. tell us what we're frying to find out here, in your
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experience with air france 447 and that search of two years, what was the breakthrough that you knew we've got something shh. >> the ability we could work in very rough terrain. we had two phases, one where we spent two months in the wrong part of a haystack and the second one when we focused on the area. >> when you recalibrated, refocused on that key area, this is the key image that came across. >> this is the end of the first two months at sea. the team was so talented they saw this blip, sonar record. they felt strongly enough about this, took a photo, it turned out to be a 50-gallon drum. >> the bluefin is working with sonar right now. and this is -- this grainy kind of image, they could pick this little dot out to think it's something unusual. >> amazing after two months of
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survey to say let's have a look at that. >> then they got the our drum. >> not part of the aircraft but saying we can see something human-made against the natural background which is key. >> then another big reveal, when you finally found this debris field. it really looks like the debris field. >> this is the debris field of air france 447. sad, 228 lives lost here. the vehicle scanning the bottom. you can see something very different on the sea floor besides the natural background. >> is this -- would you call this typical in how a debris field would look? >> it does look like a typical debris field. when it's scatter out like this, not one whole aircraft sitting on the bottom. >> and this is that bar that we've been talking about. remind our viewers what this means? >> this is the bottom, right beneath the vehicle, it's called side looking because it's looking to either side of the vehicle. >> this is what you would hope at some point we would come across for flight 370. >> i think if we see something
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like this, they'll take a close look at it with the bluefin vehicle. >> this is another map of the debris field once it went back, you were working with the remus, went back to take images of various points of the debris. fuselage with door, flaps, back section. it's amazing how detailed. >> the whole idea is to give investigators -- not us. we're the under water exploration people. we want to give the investigators what they need to try to help unravel the situation and also most importantly to find the black boxes in that debris field? >> before you find that black box on just this image, it's really extraordinary. before you take the picture, you have to bring the data back from the surface with the sonar to realize you need to go back down and take a picture. >> this is at least two, three, four tries to get all these pictures, right? >> that's right. this is the culmination of putting a lot of pictures together, a number of missions
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going down, mapping, coming back to the surface. >> talk about a lot of pictures. explain what this is. this is a huge mosaic of pictures. >> 85,000 images. imagine doing that with a digital camera, 85,000 of those images. the goal being to give the investigator the information they need to try to solve this. >> i would assume also, david, it's not just finding various pictures of any debris and knowing, oh, we found debris. it's also, you've been showing investigators, how the debris looks, how it's laying on the ocean floor. >> that's exactly right. we're getting good enough to not just take a photo, but come in and do a forensic study. this is a piece of the landing gear, a piece of the wing. >> i want to get to the final -- >> the important thing to find. this is the cockpit voice recorder. so important because it's the one witness that night to that tragedy.
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>> it really did change kind of the image of what we knew happened in 447. >> yes. this combined with the flight data recorder gives all the information you need -- it was there that night and recorded what that plane was doing and what was going on inside the cockpit. >> which is the primary goal this time around. we need that first break through, find the oil drum, if you will. >> absolutely. >> david gallo, thank you so much. next up on "new day," the mystery behind the sinking ship. families awaiting word on their teens. hundreds still missing. we'll bring you the latest on what happened and who has been saved this morning. also, searching on the top of the ocean is difficult. imagine on the bottom. that's what's going on with the search for flight 370. we're going to show you the inside of a submarine. that is martin savidge on the ocean floor. co: sometimes you don't know you need a hotel room
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search is not from a plane. russian president vladimir putin accusing kiev of driving the turmoil in ukraine. he says he doesn't want to use military force, but he says he has the right to. hours after three russian protesters were killed as hundreds stormed the ukrainian military base. pope francis celebrating holy thursday with a mass at the vatican. he's also marking the day with a ritual similar bowl lizing service and humility. washing the feet of 12 elderly and disabled. president obama the wounded warrior project's soldier ride. it helps to raise awareness about veterans issues. we're always updating the five things you need to know. the search crews are look for flight 370, as you know. they're also facing an immense challenge with uncharted depths
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pushing deep sea technology to the limits. moments ago cnn correspondent martin savidge boarded a manned submarine lowered 50 feet below the surface. he joins us again from that submarine. with him, salvage expert phil newton with newco research. it's for illustration purposes and not what's used in the search. first all i care about is how you're doing, my brother. i know being in that capsule there with all those guys on the ocean floor for all this time can't be easy. so tell us about that and tell us why this is an example of what they'll have to do with with 370. >> when i first climbed in this thing yesterday when it was sitting in dry land, i immediately jumped out because there was no way i was going to be able to do this. but actually phil newton has
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been great at helping me acclimate. there are times, i will say, that i have about screamed to get out of the exit. i'm doing much better. thank you for asking. the reality is this is such a fantastic opportunity that it's mentally outweighing any of my claustrophobic fears. i'm doing fine, thanks very much for asking, chris. let me tell you what we're going to try to do here. we're on a slope. this is very typical actually. you don't know the terrain you're up against on the bottom. >> you could be aiming down, could be flat on the bottom, could be pointing up. you never know. >> we're going to try to maneuver here and get this submersible forward to where we think is the area of the black box. i'm going to ask jeff who is way back there -- jeff, if you can, get the trusters going, try and push us forward here, and i have
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to point out, the other thing is, any time a vessel like this moves, the big problem is visibility. >> a big dust cloud is thrown up. if you're thrusting up, they'll be a dust cloud below you. if you go back, it's going to be in front of you. if you go forward, you leave it behind for the moment and the small currents cause the dust cloud to catch up with you. >> let's see if we can get into position. everything is done with small movements, very carefully, very deliberately. please, if you'd be so kind, jeff, let's try and push us forward here. we've got an uphill slope we're dealing with. >> starboard, starboard, starboard. >> essentially phil has to give the directions to the pilot in the back. >> forward, forward.
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>> you can start to see -- you can see there is something orange there which would be our simulator of the black box. it's a very slow methodical job. when you're way down in that kind of pressure, going to be even more carefully done. >> okay. forward. come ahead, come ahead, come ahead. come ahead, come ahead. doing good. on course. a little bit forward. good, good. forward. come ahead, come ahead. >> we've got a great view here. it's dark. so we've got illumination out here. the thing that's interesting is you can't use too much illumination because it actually will blind you. it's like trying to use really bright lights in the fog. we're going to continue to hone
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in on this. and when you come back to us next time, hopefully we'll be in a position where we can actually show you retrieval of a black box. >> starboard, starboard. >> nothing easy, even in this simple depth. imagine 50,000 feet. >> exactly right, martin. what tedious work to even move just steps ahead. we'll have more with martin and phil live from 50 feet below the surface in just a moment. they're going to show us, as martin said, how one of these subs goes about picking up a black box. we'll be right back. means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done.
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welcome back. let's get straight back to horseshoe bay in british columbia where cnn's martin savidge is in a submarine and with him phil newton of newco research. when we left you, you were getting in position to try to retrieve a black box. >> right. i don't know if you can see that just out the window. i have to warn you we have battery issues. there's the black box recorder. of course, they're orange despite the namesake. we're at a real slant here. that's a real challenge for us. the goal now, to take the mechanical arm, and he's going to very carefully go ahead, give it a whirl, get it into position. again, it's not just like reaching out with your own hand and grabbing. if he knocks it off that ledge, it could slip away completely.
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so it's all got to be done with just a very finessed kind of reach. just give us a sense of what you're doing here, phil. >> trying to get the jaws of the manipulator into that bit of a handle on top there and try not to disturb it and slide it down the slope here. >> right. it's a really delicate balance, kate. you want to get in position that the slightest touch of that thing could send it toppling into a depth that we have to go try and look for it again. he's got to move ever so carefully. he's got to get the claw underneath -- there's actually a handle on that black box, and you can see now we're sliding. so it just really shows you that there is nothing easy, even in this simple depth, of trying to maneuver the sort of equipment. he's got to get it -- >> while phil continues to do the work, you were saying you --
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the sub itself, you guys are at a pretty extreme slant. that's not helping you either. >> no, it's not. in fact, we can maneuver. we have that ability, but the problem is every time you maneuver, kate, you're going to use the thrusters. when you use the thrusters, of course, like fans, they're going to kick up all the silt that's down on the bottom here. then you lose visibility. once that happens, you pretty much have to stop everything and wait for it to clear. so he's trying to get it into that basket. he's got it up in the air. steady, steady. i've got to tell you, very much like the real thing here, kate, watching it happen. this, of course, is the crucial piece of equipment they need, not the only thing they need, but the crucial recorder.
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it only begins there. then you begin the process of trying to bring it back to the surface. it is a game of inches and centimeters at great depth. i've got the tell you, the finesse that phil needs to use here to try to make this happen. bingo, well done. all right. so now he's got it in the basket. the next step, phil, would be once you've got it there, if you were going to the surface again, you've got to hope it stays, or are you going to restrain it in some way? >> we can keep nudging it. but what we need to do is put the arm on top of it and hold it in as we get to the surface. i've got to say well done. >> great job. thanks, also -- without jeff, we
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would be hopeless here. >> we made the retrieval. so far, so good. the next thing would be to rise 15,000 feet back to the surface over several hours. >> you can see as we come up that it will get brighter and clearer. >> kate, go ahead. >> we were remarking as we were seeing this, this is truly a remarkable demonstration of just how tedious the next phase would -- will be when obviously everyone is waiting for the breakthrough of seeing, finding the black box, but it's not a sure thing it's going to be easy to bring it up some 15,000 feet to is surface. >> it's certainly not going to be necessarily just laying out of the bottom of the ocean which we can talk about something like that another time. >> absolutely right. we'll get back to you. martin, thank you very much. this is a remarkable demonstration and a feat of your own strength being down in such
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welcome back to "new day." how did this ship wind up capsized like this? we'll take you through what we understand of the situation with help from the magic wall, also retired coast guard captain peter boynton. here is what we know. the ferry departs. it's two hours late. why? fog. they had visibility issues. they did take off. we hear it's otherwise normal. at some point -- we're looking at the bottom of the ship. this would be the part below the waterline, this is the vulnerable part, right? >> yes. >> something happens and the ship starts to list dramatically. cap, come in on this. what are the two main possibilities, meaning something that happens outside or inside the hull that could cause this? >> well, the rate at which it developed a list suggests based on other ferry accidents that it could be the result of significant flooding. so either a breach of the hull which could occur if something
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struck from outside. it could occur if something happened inside. the second scenario we've seen in other ferry accidents is some type of significant system failure or procedural error, leaving doors open, that kind of thing. >> let's make sense of that, cap, for the uninitiated. outside the hull means you hit something. we have the channel chart, the roadmap. doesn't seem to be any structural problems, even if you gout side the channel either way. so it couldn't be that. how would it be something inside. they don't feel it was an explosion. they all felt a bump and a lurch. there was a lot of heavy cargo inside, maybe something happened there that caused the jolt. or the door used to fill up with cars could be a suggestion of
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vulnerability. cap, whatever happens happens. the question becomes what does the crew do? we're told they tell people stay in place. a ship is listing like this, and then in a short amount of time is listing and moving towards capsizing. what are you supposed to tell your passengers to do? if the list, leaning over to the side is progressive and rapid, that's a clear indication you're having a catastrophic loss of stability. at that point time is short and actions have to be taken. what we don't know is what was the accessibility of lifesaving gear, what was the degree of egress available and what were people told at that point in time? as the ship heals, imagine as you get to a 45-degree angle it's as easy to walk on the wall as tuesday the floor. as it goes further, you can no longer use the floor. this is very disorienting within the insides of the ship.
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at the same time all those vehicles would most likely begin to shift as well. again, that's cascading damage and further affecting the heel to the side. >> kevin makes an important point. there are reports that only one of 46 lifeboats were deployed. however, once you get into this angle and certainly this one when it capsizes, you can't deploy life boats because it becomes impractical, just the nature of the physics of it. they have to obviously take their own lives in their hands and jump in. we do know the captain and a lot of the crew made it off, how did they make it off and others did not? that will be the question that needs answering. the ship is capsized. it's turned over. there is part of it that's still being seen through the surface, the bow part, the underside of the bow. what does that tell us? >> at that point it's upside down. so for anyone who may still be inside, very disorienting. the ship's electricity is out, there may be some energy lighting. it's the air pressure that's
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holding up the ship at that point in time. >> but there is air pressure which means there could be pockets. that's why we're keeping the window of hope open. hundreds of teenagers being told stay in place, don't evacuate, don't jump off. when would that be the right call, when would that be the wrong call? it seems like it was the wrong call here, captain. >> initially when there's an event, it in some circumstances can make sense to have people stand by until there's an assessment of what's gone wrong. just getting off a ship in good conditions into a small boat can be very, very hazardous. however, the captain and the crew have to make a very rapid assessment. is this minor damage? is it safer for people to stay in place or does this have the potential for catastrophic damage. if so, time is urgent and actions must be taken quickly. certainly rapid loss of
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[ girl ] there are man-eating sharks in every ocean... but we still swim. every second, somewhere in the world, lightning strikes... but we still play in the rain. poisonous snakes can be found in 49 of the 50 states, but we still go looking for adventure. a car can crash... a house can crumble... but we still drive... and love coming home. because i think deep down we know... all the bad things that can happen in life... they can't stop us from making our lives...
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good. ♪ ♪ ♪ time for "the good stuff" chicago style. why? in honor of our series "chicagoland" an off duty tsa officer became an unlikely hero. all it took was courage and a
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brightly colored shirt. >> a young lady fell. i jumped on top of the train just in case they saw me because i had an orange shirt. >> that's tsa officer eddie palacio. he's an off duty guy in a chicago blue line station. he immediately goes down on the track himself, remembers he's wearing a bright orange fighting illini orange shirt. >> when i saw them staggering, i thought we're not going to be able to get out in time. i realized i had an orange hoodie. i calculated whether the train was coming or not and whether it would make a difference. and i said yes. >> the plan worked, the train saw eddie and the woman was saved. as with many heroes, eddie says he isn't one. he didn't even tell anyone about it. it's only when the cell phone video got out that people fupd out about it. that's why he's the good stuff. >> good reminder to wear bright
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colors. >> everybody should be a fighting illini fan. also the knicks colors. be sure to watch "chicagoland" at 10:00 p.m. eastern, 9:00 central. >> a lot of news today. let's head you off to "newsroom" with carol costello. >> thanks so much, kate. have a great day. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. this morning a cnn exclusive. we'll take you under water so you can better understand what search teams are up against. martin savidge inside a submarine 50 feet below the surface of horseshoe bay in british columbia. he'll join us live in just a moment from inside that submarine.

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