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happy easter to you. a lot of news for you this morning. we leave you in the capable hands of mrs. carol costello and "newsroom." >> have a great weekend. >> have a great weekend. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now on the "newsroom." ferry disasters. >> divers have finally made their way into the ship's hull. >> breaking overnight, a tenuous rescue and a race against time. conditions making the search nearly impossible. >> if you move it is more dangerous, don't move. >> reporter: sgl this morning, the captain and the warning to stay on the ship under new focus. >> a blanket warning of don't move doesn't make sense to you? >> not to me. frustration and fear. >> you're lying to us again now. >> as the search for flight 370 enters its 42nd day.
>> we're going to intensify the deep water search. >> as teams pin their hopes -- >> if there's anything to be found on the surface, they'll find it. >> you're live in the cnn newsroom. good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. we begin this morning in jindo, south korea, where the capsized ferry is now completely submerged. you're looking at a live picture of the dock area where families have been waiting for any update from search officials. arrest warrants have been issued for the captain and two crew members. these are brand new pictures just in to cnn of the captain. prosecutors are saying the third mate was at the helm of the ship when it began to sank. where was the captain? it's not clear at this time. we also have new video from inside the ferry as it sunk. passengers donning lifejackets.
this person was actually walking on the wall of the ship's deck. that's the floor he's touching on the right side of the screen. simply an unbelievable sight. 179 people were rescued soon after the boat started sinking, but nearly 270 people are still missing. these are family members crowded in a school gym waiting for any word. some of them so over come with emotion, they had to be taken away on stretchers. paula hancocks is on the scene this morning. paula, bring us up to date. >> reporter: there's a lost questions coming in, most notably why the captain wasn't at the help. we know it was the third officer at the helm. we or also asking about the arrest warrants. we know they have been issued for both the captain and two of the crew members of that ship. relatives are asking why they're spending a third night on the harbor at engine toe wondering
where their child is. >> reporter: strong currents and murky water making it impossible. rescue operators with pumping oxygen in in the hopes of providing air to anyone who might be alive inside. for desperate families waiting for answers, it's not enough. they're bleeding with authorities to do more releasing a statement saying we are making this appeal with tears because we are so furious with the way the government is handling this. this man is waiting for word on his 16-year-old nephew. >> even if how hard it is, how difficult it is, how hard it is, i don't care. i want to hear the truth. >> reporter: new questions this morning. why, when the ship took 2 1/2 hours to capsize, were hundreds still trapped.
the captain we now know was one of the first to be rescued while close to 300 passengers were told not to move. investigators now revealing that he was not at the helm at the time of the accident. his third officer was. i'm sorry, he says. i am at a loss for words. >> reporter: we also know the deputy principal of the school where the high school students were found has been found by the dead engine toe auditorium, found hanging from a tree. he was actually on this ship. he was one of the few that managed to get off. at this point police are saying that they're investigating, not saying it is a suicide at this point. but the deputy principal we now know has been found dead hanging from a tree very close to here. >> paula hancocks reporting live from south korea this morning. families and friends are holding handle light vigils. they carried signs with messages to loved ones that read aren't
you hungry? let's eat, and i miss you. pauline choiu has the story of some of those that survived. >> reporter: carol, the survivors of the ferry accident continue telling incredible stories of pure luck and determination. i'm outside the hospital where several survivors are recovering. one is 71 chrd chin yung ja. she was watching tv in a common room when she felt a huge jolt and the room started filling up with water. she swam toward cabinets and tried to climb them like a staircase. here is what happened next. >> translator: i didn't have enough strength to climb up. the young man in front of me pulled me up and said hold on tight. when he got to the top of the cabinets, i saw a window. man near me was banging on the window with a life jacket and somebody saw us. then they turned the rescue boat toward us. >> there is another survivor
story with a bittersweet ending. a 6-year-old girl was traveling with her parents and 7-year-old brother. her brother put a life jacket on her and somehow she made it to the deck where passengers found her crying. they passed her on to rescuers. when she came to the hospital, the doctors say she was fine physically but this is what he's concerned about. >> translator: my biggest concern is after going through this kind of disaster, she may experience post-traumatic stress syndrome, especially when she finds out her parents and brother have died. how she deals with this will be the biggest challenge. in my oranges recovering from this kind of psychological shock would be the biggest concern. >> she is now being taken care of by two aunts and an uncle. carol? >> pauline, thanks. we also have a distress call from the emergency service center. it came in at 8:55 on wednesday morning. the ship crew says please notify
the coast guard, our ship is in danger. the ship is rolling right now. at 8:56, where is your ship? okay. we will notify the coast guard. the ship rolled over a lot right now. cannot move. please come quickly. we're next to bong young island, yes, understood. at 9:00 dispatch asks what's the current situation? currently the body of the ship is tilted to the left, containers fell over, too. dispatch answers, okay, there are no damages to people? ship: currently it's impossible to confirm. the body of the ship is tilted. please put on the life vests and get ready as people may need to abandon ship. ship, it is hard for people to move. dispatch, yes. okay. with me by phone, lieutenant arlo ab bra hampson. >> first i wanted to express --
i heard your report and i want to express our thoughts and prayers for the passengers of this ferry and their families during this very difficult and uncertain time. it's just an unbelievable tragedy. i'm sure that you are seeing those families waiting on the dock, waiting for some kind of hope. is there hope? >> absolutely. our operations continue on board the u.s.s. bon hom richard. we have liaison officers from the south korean navy on board our ship that are working with us. as long as we're tasked to continue the search and rescue operations, we're going to continue to work tirelessly to -- with hope to find the survivors. those families are who we are working with right now or working for as we do these
operations. >> is the ferry totally submerged right now? >> i can't comment on the specifics of the ferry because i'm not at the scene. but what i can tell you is that these are obviously very difficult conditions, and our rescuers are out there trying to work in. i can tell you the other thing is the south korean navy and our navy are used to working together. we work together quite a bit out there. we have a very close relationship. we'll continue to work tirelessly to try to find these passengers, and we're going to continue to work hard to locate the remaining passengers that may be alive. >> are any u.s. divers going down in the yellow sea? >> the u.s. naif very doesn't have any divers currently assigned to this. our current duties are with our helicopters, and we're currently doing through a search and
rescue operations from the mh 360 helicopters based off the bonhomme richard. >> i know crews are trying to pump oxygen into the ship. are they still trying to do that or is that operation over? >> that's another, carol, for the south korean authorities to answer. i can tell you that each one of these search and rescue operations is uniquely difficult. what i can tell you is we'll continue to work with a sense of urgency here to support our south korean partners to look for these lost passengers. >> lieutenant arlo abrahamson of the u.s. navy. thank you for taking time to be with us this morning. we appreciate it. an avalanche killed 12 people today in the worst accident ever on mount everest. three wounded, four others still missing. all of the victims are sherpas. nepally officials say the
avalanche struck some 50 people at more than 20,000 feet. climbers and guides have been setting routes and preparing rope when the avalanche hit. climbers arrive in april to get used to the altitude before heading toward the 29,000-foot summit. sherpas act as guides for the mostly foreign clients. still to come in the "newsroom," if the wreckage is in the bottom of the ocean, bringing it to surface will be a monumental at that timing. martin savidge has the story from 50 feet below the water's surface. good morning, martin. >> reporter: good morning, carol. we'll show you some of the ways that not only will you have to try to retrieve but maybe even have to cut through debris in order to get at the valuable black boxes they have to have. we'll demonstrate it in a bit. see you then. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me,
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the bluefin-21 is back in the water and still nothing. it has now been 42 days since flight 370 disappeared. the under water drone is making its fifth trip below the surface of the water scanning the seabed of the indian ocean for any sign of that missing jet. four other trips have covered 110 square miles. so far not a single clue about 370's fate. more help may be on the way, though. earlier today malaysia's transportation minister tweeted that authorities are considering deploying more unmanned under water probes. in the meantime, back on land nearly a dozen military aircraft and 12 ships are still searching
for debris. of course, finding any kind of debris from that plane would be great, but finding those black boxes would be fantastic. on the ocean floor that will not be easy, because once they find them, they may be damaged and that will make the mission ever so much more difficult. martin savidge is at 50 feet below in a manned sub to show us how it's done. good morning, martin. >> reporter: good morning carol. i'm not sleeping on the job here. this is the position you have to take to be in these very tight confine ps of this submersible. and a reminder, this submersible only goes down to about a thousand feet. it's not the one doing the recovery work at that depth. but much of what you operate would be very similar, and so joining me now, phil nuytten is a man who is -- i would say has done just about everything under water when it comes to recovery. what we're going to do is show you here, carol, if they have to
cut, in some cases clear debris, and in order to get to where the black box may be. we've got -- as you look on the monitor, we've got this wire. it could be possible that you have to get through wiring before you can even get to the black box. you have a pneumatic cutter which i think is just about there. jeff, our pilot, is going to be manipulating that cutter. let's see if we can get it -- do you think we've got it to the point of making a slice? once we think that the cutter which is on one side, now we're going to have the arm hopefully we can watch the cutter.
it's done by just millimeters here. this is why when you hear people saying that work under water is ex-treechlly slow, think of this. this is just one cable, one. there could be thousands of them blocking your way. you're now focused on cutting and pulling through it. jeff is doing that by working a pneumatic pump in the back here. and then what we hope is that when we reach that point, that phil can then manipulate the robotic arm. it's saying we should be there. here we go. we pull and there it is. see how it's cut and broken away? you remove one ob stockal. i've got to say that's just one of what could be many. so you clear that one. then you would move forward and you would do it again. it would be hour after hour after hour of doing this. people have said, well, how long
could we stay submerged. how long will that be, phil? >> if we have to, we can stay down here for three days. typically down for six to eight hours at a time. >> reporter: i presume if this goes to the surface, there's another crew that gets ready and come down. >> that's right. the submarine doesn't get tired, but crew does. >> it's going to be pitch black. we have illumination provided by halogen lighting. it shows you what seems like a relatively simple task, under water with the issues of clarity as well are not easy at all. >> i can't imagine the amount of patience it would take to do something like this. >> reporter: we were talking about -- carol was saying she can't imagine the amount of patience. you do that because safety is a real danger here. this could become a tomb for
those trying to cut into it. >> absolutely. even an rov, even though there aren't people in it, you don't want to lose the rov. you have to be careful always of what's around you, all the wreckage, the electrical wiring, the broken debris. manned submarines even more you have to be, because they are manned. you don't have the problem of the umbilical catching up in the wreckage. >> reporter: what we're in works autonomously. we can float andaman ufr our sells. we don't have to worry about a long cable going all the way to the surface. that said, there are still dangers. once we become trapped, who is coming to get us? >> another rov or submersible that can free you, finding out what's holding it down or free you. it's not a pleasant job. it's a very painstaking one. with the upwelling of the silt every time you move regardless of what sort of vehicle it is.
if you have downthrusters, you have silt blowing up in your face, you have to wait until it clears down. it's inch by inch, bit by bit. it's a job of great patience. >> yes. patience is what keeps you alive. carol, again, just an example that this is going to be a long task, once and if they do find the wreckage of that airliner on the ocean floor. carol? >> martin savidge, phil nuytten, thanks to both of you. still to come in the "newsroom," one step forward, a giant step back in ukraine as pro-russian supporters refuse to obey a peace deal. phil black is in ukraine this morning. hi, phil. >> reporter: carol, more than that, the shadow of anti-semitism hangs over the crisis in ukraine, trying to discourage discrimination against the country's jewish population. more after the break. oh! the name your price tool!
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one step forward, a giant step back. that pretty much sums up what's happening in ukraine. a pro-russian separatist leader is defying an international deal to vacant seized buildings. he's culling for the kiev government to step down instead. this is all unfolding in eastern ukraine. it comes after a seven-hour negotiation in geneva that included secretary of state john kerry. even president obama is not completely hopeful this deal will immediately work. after all, it doesn't include the removal of the 40,000 russian troops along ukraine's border. in the meantime, another
disturbing term in eastern ukraine. all jewish people in one area have been asked to register. flyers were distributed outside a synagogue in donetsk asking jewish people 16 years old and older to report the names of their family members, their real estate and even pay a fee. phil black is in eastern ukraine this morning. who is responsible for those flyers? >> reporter: carol, it's not entirely clear, but it is so sensitive, so ominous. that one word registration, it's so powerful is because ukraine is where millions were killed, terrible massacres during the nazi occupation of this country in world war ii. now as this country experiences another crisis that threatens its very existence, someone is trying to encourage this sort of discrimination against the country's jewish community to try and achieve a political goal. take a look. this letter has injected the fear of anti sem tift into ukraine's crisis.
the chief rabbi of donetsk reads the text which says all jews over the age of 16 must register their identities, real estate and car ownership. he tells me the notice was handed out near his synagogue on tuesday by four men wearing masks. he says when he first saw it he felt shock and fear. america's ambassador to ukraine described his reaction to cnn's jake tapper. >> it's chilling. i was disgusted by these leaflets, especially in ukraine, a country that suffered so terribly under the nazis. it was one of the sites of the worst violence of the hole cast. to drag up this rhetoric is unbelievable. >> reporter: the man denies he's behind the leaflet, telling cnn it's a clear provocation. the notice says jews must
register because they supported protesters in kiev who drove out the country's former president. the rabbi says the jews of donetsk believe they're being used in aid we're political game. he says the people who pray here are angry because those competing to control the feature of the country are repeating the mistakes of history. >> reporter: it is not the first time the issue of anti-semitism has been raised in this crisis. the russian government has repeatedly made the allegation that the jews are at some sort of violent threat from anti-semitics and fascists in much of the country. the view is that those allegations are widely exaggerated for political purposes. the view of this latest episode involving the leaflets is very much the same. it is all making them very angry. they believe this highly sensitive issue is being hijacked andaman into lated to try and achieve some sort of
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. in south korea, desperate search for survivors is under way as the capsized ferry is now completely under the water. this is a live picture of the docking area where families have been waiting for any update from officials. today arrest warrants werish dwrud for the captain and two crew members. actually, these are brand new pictures just in to cnn of the captain. that's him there in the highlighted area. this happened right after the rescue took place. so these are just new pictures we're getting in of the captain. prosecutors say the third mate
was at the helm of the ship when it began to sink. as for where the captain was, we don't know. that's not clear at this time. we also have new video from inside the ferry as it sunk. passengers donning lifejackets as the ship turns on its side, this person walking on the wall of the ship's deck. that's the floor he's touching on the rt side of your screen. unbelievable, right? 179 people were rescued soon after the boat started to sink. nearly 270 people are still missing. these are family members crowded inside a school gym waiting for any word, some of them so over come with emotion they had to be taken away on stretchers. joining me now, jack hickey, a maritime trial attorney. good morning. thank you for being with me. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. thank you for being here. jack, arrest warrants have been issued for the captain and two crew members. no specifics were given. but what do you suspect they're being charged with?
>> they're being charged undoubtedly with dereliction of duties and possibly attempted murder. what happened here was a complete dereliction of duty of the master, the captain of the vessel is always the master of everything that goes on in the vessel, the navigation and the personnel on the vessel. here, just look in costa concordia, we have a lot of instances of dereliction of d y duty. >> is it a requirement that the captain stay with the ship as long as there's anyone on board? >> carol, pretty much every law, rule, regulation and standard throughout the world says that, yes, the captain must stay with the ship until all personnel are safely off of the ship, certainly passengers. and this captain violated the
age-old rule, internationally recognized rule that the captain must stay on the vessel. there's a parallel here to the costa concordia which is strikingly similar to this. yes, this captain violated the age-old internationally accepted rule that the captain, because he or she is the master and the person who is supposed to supervise everything, that person is supposed to stay on the vessel and make sure everyone is off safely. >> obviously the investigation is under way as rescue efforts continue. what sorts of things are they looking for right now do you suppose? >> well, right now the -- what everyone is hoping for, of course, is that there are air pockets within the hull of the vessel. it is possible because the vessel did capsize very quickly, and it is possible that there
are air pockets. this was a car carrier, a ro-ro, roll on, roll off, as well as a passenger vessel. it took on water very quickly probably because of that. so there is a less likelihood, i would think, with a ro-ro type vessel, a car ferry-type vessel, that there are substantial air pockets. but this is a large vessel and undoubtedly there are air pockets here and there. that's what they're hoping for. that's what they're going to look for when they get on board. >> i so hope you're right. i wanted to ask you, too, about safety procedures because apparently nobody knew what to do. they told these poor students to stay on board the ship. some of them went back into their cabins. that's not what you're supposed to do, right?
>> what happens here, and i get back to the striking resemblance to the costa concordia disaster. what happened here is the vessel struck something. it struck a scholl or something in the water. there was a loud bang that was heard. eventually it listed and listed very severely. the captain did something which is by all accounts really horrible. that is he or someone else -- they're not sure whom was at the helm. it could have been this third officer at the helm at the time. but someone went on the pa system and announced and told everyone to stay in place, to keep calm and stay in place. that's not what's supposed to happen. when there is damage to the vessel so severe there's a list or a possible list, you tell everyone to get to muster stations. those are the stations that you get to when you go on a cruise
ship, that initial drill is to send you to your muster station which is where you muster or gather in order to get on to the life boats. so that's what should have happened. >> i've been through those drills on cruise ships. i must say when i've taken ferryboat rides where you park your car or go to long island or something, i don't remember going through any drill. is that standard procedure on a ship, on a ferry like this? >> right. because the ferries that you're talking about are not international, they do not do and are not required by solas, the safety of life at sea convention, they're not required to do this. certainly they should have had this. they were not required to by
international convention which is too bad, which is horrible. but they should have that kind of drill. this kind of ship was making a -- i think it's a multihour, several-hour crossing in the middle of the night, even though it was still in korean waters, certainly the safer thing to do would be to have these drills. unfortunately they were not required. >> all those young people on board. maritime law attorney jack hickey, thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you, carol. still to come in the "newsroom," the search for flight 370 heads back unden der the ocean. the bluefin-21 searching for any sign of the missing plane. erin mclaughlin is live in perth, australia this morning. >> reporter: the last we heard the bluefin was in the water for a fifth time. i'll have more on its latest mission after the break. we asked people a question,
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the bluefin-21 is back in the water making its fifth trip underneath the waves. now it's been 42 days since flight 370 disappeared and still no clues. in the meantime the visual search does move forward. nearly two dozen ships and planes are scanning more than 20,000 square miles for any sign of debris. cnn's erin mclaughlin is live in perth, australia, with more on the search today. hi, erin. >> reporter: good morning, carol. we know the bluefin-21 was in the water as of 9:00 a.m. local time, some 12 hours later. we're still waiting to hear word if it has, in fact, completed that mission and found anything. a typical mission would normally take 16 hours for them to search
the seabed for any signs of the missing malaysian plane flight 370. we are hearing more details about the fourth dive that took place last night. we're hearing that it managed to dive some 4.7 kilometers beneath the ocean's surface. that's significant because it was previously thought it had a depth capacity of 4.5 kilometers, and engineers had taken a look at it, given the fact it had to cut that first trip short. they believe it now can withstand some five kilometers of water pressure. they sent it back down reaching that 4.7 kilometer mark. that's really significant because it shows it can reach some of the deeper depths of this search area which is really critical to this effort given that this is believed to be the place where they'll most likely find that black box based on that acoustic analysis. again, we are still waiting for more information about this latest dive. carol? >> erin mclaughlin, reporting
live from australia. for more on the investigation, let's bring in rob mccallum, cnn analyst and ocean search specialist and peter goelz, cnn analyst and former ntsb investigator. rob, the pal lags transport minister has stated he wants more under water drones. how many do you think he needs? >> it depends on the type of drone. if you're using an auv, a great machine for deploying sonar over a small area and getting high resolution i'm manuals, you need quite a lot of them because they're only doing about 15 square miles away. if you brought in deep towed sonar, you'd be able to scan ten times that area with a single unit. personally, i'd probably bring in two deep towed sonar systems to do the broad scale search. >> where would they get those?
>> they'd probably get them from the commercial world. there are military towed sonar and civilian towed sonar. these assets are in use for industrial purposes and military purposes around the world. but you can get a couple of them in reasonably short order. >> peter, the australian prime minister said earlier that the search -- that they made need to reassess if nothing is found under water after a week of searches. what does he mean by reassess? >> i think they're getting ready to pull back on the surface and the air search. there's a lot of resources being expended there. it's turned up nothing. i don't believe they're going to be cutting back on the under water search that's just begun. they've got to give the bluefin at least six or eight weeks to scan this area, and if that turns up blank, then i think the towed arrays are the way to go because they're going to have to search the length of the arc to try to find where this plane went down. >> are you surprised, peter,
they have found nothing as of yet? >> i frankly am not. we have an extraordinary team doing cutting edge work on doing this analysis. they are using some suppositions. this is not hard fact. this is their best analysis that brings us here. but boy, it is extraordinarily difficult, and the ocean is extraordinarily challenging. we've done it and it's hard. it takes a long time. >> okay. so rob, i'll ask you the same question. are you surprised they haven't found anything as of yet? >> no, not really. as peter says, your search tool is only as good as the start point of your search area and the parameters of the search area. there has to be a reason to begin searching there in the first place. and you can only find something if it's actually within that area. this is a very complex operation. the bluefin is scanning well.
it's going to be a game of patience now. 15 square miles a day every day, we get a little mora little mor information back. >> a good way to look at it. rob mccallum, peter goelz, thank you so much. rescue efforts continue off the coast of south korea for any survivors of the ferry accident. while all hope seems lost, it is possible that someone could survive such an ordeal. it's happened before. brian todd looks into that after a break. c'mon, you want heartburn? when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums!
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rescuers think there may still be survivors in that sunken ferry. we have word south korean crews are pumping oxygen into the ship just in case. while it seems like a desperate effort, it is possible to survive such a catastrophe, even if the ship has gone under water. more now from brian todd. >> reporter: rescuers in south korea are in a calculated but furious scramble. they're working under the assumption some passengers aboard the sunken ferry may still be alive. past accidents tell us it's very possible. november last year, an overcrowded double decker ferry sank off thailand. about 200 people were rescued. february 2006, an egyptian passenger ferry sank in the red sea, more than 300 were rescued there. there were even underwater russ cues after the "costa concordia"
cruise ship capsized in 2012. how can they survive? there's no more dramatic example than this. >> he's alive. he's alive. >> keep him there. keep him there. >> may of last year, after a tugboat capsized off west africa, a rescue diver thought he found the hand of a corpse. the crew member had been alive for 2 1/2 days inside a 4 square foot air pocket. his boat had come to rest upside down about 100 feet below the surface. >> just re-assure him. touch him on the shoulder. >> reporter: they talked him through it. >> put your head under water and breathe comfortably. >> reporter: in less than 30 minutes, he was brought out safely. if there are survivors aboard the korean ferry, they could take steps to help themselves, though they probably don't know it. >> they need to find a watertight door like this that they would close and seal it like this. >> reporter: this former navy
diver showed us how air pockets can be found. >> when they're in a small compartment with an air bubble, they have to stay calm and breathe shallow and conserve the oxygen in that space. >> reporter: aside from the danger and difficulty of passengers trying to get to air pockets and close water-tight doors, bobby sculley says there's a danger of trying to pump air into an underwater vessel. >> you risk letting the air out of that compartment and allowing the ship to start to sink even more and that risks those survivors that might be in that situation. >> reporter: but sculley says south korean rescue teams are capable with advanced equipment and the best training. she says they'll need every ounce of that now, brian todd, cnn, washington. still ahead in the next hour of "newsroom," the search for flight 370 enters its 42nd day. if there's any wreckage found,
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happening now in the "newsroom," ferry disaster. >> divers in south korea have finally made their way into the ship's hull. >> breaking overnight, a tenuous rescue and a race against time. conditions making the search nearly impossible. >> if you move, is it more dangerous. don't move. >> this morning, the captain and the warning to stay on the ship under new focus. >> but a blanket warning of don't move doesn't make sense to you? >> not to me. >> frustration. and fear. >> you're all bloody liars and
lying to us again now. >> as the search for flight 370 enters its 42nd day. >> we're going to intensify the deep water search. >> as teams pin their hopes -- >> if there's anything to be found on the surface, they'll find it. >> you're live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. in south korea, the search is under way. arrest warrants have been issued in connection with the ferry disaster which left 28 dead and another 270 missing. that ship now completely under the water as buoys mark the spot in the yellow sea where that ship went down. officials want the captain and two of his crew members, actually, they've taken them into custody. these are new pictures just in to cnn of that captain. he's in that highlighted circle there. prosecutors say the third mate was at the helm of the ship when
it began to sink. as for where the captain was, we just don't know. that's not clear. we also have new video from inside the ferry as it sunk, passengers donning life jackets as the ship turns on its side. this person is walking on the wall of the ship's deck. that's the floor he's touching with his hand on the right side of your screen. 179 people were rescued soon after the boat started to sink but as i said, some 270 people remain missing. these are their relatives crowded inside a gym anxiously awaiting any word. some of them so overcome with emotion they had to be taken away on a stretcher. paula hancocks is on the scene in jindo, south korea, with more. hello, paula. >> reporter: hello, carol. divers did manage to get inside the hull of the ship this friday, the first time they've managed to do that. they didn't find any survivors or any bodies. they only managed to get to the second floor and still the
conditions are not good for this search operation. and now, many relatives are sitting by the side of the water's edge at this harbor for the third night in a row wondering what's happened to their loved ones. this morning, divers in south korea have finally made their way into the ship's hull. the ship, now completely submerged under choppy seas, the strong currents and murky water making rescue efforts nearly impossible. rescuers pumping oxygen into the ship in the hopes of providing air to anyone inside who may be alive. but for desperate families waiting for answers, it's not enough. they're pleading with authorities to do more, release a statement saying, we are making this appeal with tears, because we are so furious with the way the government is handling this. he's waiting for word on his 16-year-old nephew. >> even how hard it is, how difficult it is, how hard it is, i don't care. i want to hear the truth.
>> reporter: and new questions this morning, why when the ship took 2 1/2 hours to capsize, were hundreds still trapped? the captain we now know was one of the first to be rescued while close to 300 passengers were told not to move. and investigators now revealing that he was at the helm at the time of the accident, his third officer was. i'm sorry, he says, i am at a loss for words. and another tragedy we now know the deputy principal from this school where the high school students were has been found dead hanging from a tree here in jindo. he was on the ship as well. he was one that managed to escape. at this point, police are saying it's being investigated, they're not confirming it was a suicide but yet another tragedy. carol? >> any word on why the ship sank? what it might have hit, if anything?
>> reporter: well, we did hear from maritime police there was a low possibility it hit a rock or something like that. they thought it was a high possibility on thursday that it could have been the fact that it deviated from course, which could have caused this accident or at least contributed to it. we heard from another official this friday saying they don't believe that that could have been the sole reason for this accident. at this point we actually don't know what has caused it. we do have the transcript of the discussion between someone on the ship, we don't know exactly who is talking, and traffic control on jeju island. they say the body of the shift is tilted to the left, containers fell over, too. traffic controllers saying put the life vests on and get as many people ready as you may have to abandon ship. it is hard for people to move. this is something that's been
being focused on quite closely. why were people told not to move on a sinking ship. carol? >> paula hancocks, reporting live from south korea this morning. for the families of the missing it's an agonizing wait. hundreds crowded on the dock near the sunken ferry's location. others crowded into a nearby school gymnasium, all hoping somehow their loved ones survived this disaster. cnn's kyung lah spoke with some of them. >> reporter: hope, slipping away. palpable anger replacing grief as families lashed out at whoever they could. the news media and the government, chant iing, "return them to us," they say. these families have been here since the ship went down on wednesday. police officers were brought in to control the increasingly volatile crowd. "what do you expect of us" says this father?
whose teenage son is among the missing. >> reporter: he left saying, "dadding with i'll be back," he says. "now he's in the sea." "please help my baby. my baby is crying with fear in the sea. please save my baby. all his friends are there, all his school friends." "i want to jump in the sea," she says, "thinking about my child in the sea, how can i as a parent eat or drink? i hate myself for this." this couple can't bear to show us their son's picture or even utter his name. they and the other parents watching the live video feed of the rescue and news reports say what they need most is answers. why did the ferry capsize?
why were their children initially told to stay put instead of escaping? are you feeling that there's still hope for your child? "my little baby is in the sea in the dark. i worry he is shivering with fear and hunger. we need to rescue him fast. i don't know what to do." "i just want him back." a nation's prayers from many faiths fill this port, waiting to be answered. kyung lah, cnn, jindo, south korea. >> last hour i talked to the spokesman for the u.s. naval forces at korea. how the united states is helping with the search operation for survivors. >> there are absolutely, you know, our operations continue
aboard the "uss bonham rashard." we have two navy helicopters that are search and rescue capable. we have liaison officers aboard the ship that are working with us. as long as we're tasked to continue the search and rescue operations, we're going to continue to work tirelessly, with hope, to find the survivors. those families, who we're working with, working for, as we do these operations. the u.s. navy doesn't have divers currently assigned to this. our current duties are with our helicopters and we're currently doing a search and rescue operations from the m-860 helicopters based off the bonham rashard. >> abrahamson said even though
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search is moving forward. nearly two dozen ships and planes are scanning more than 20,000 square miles for any sign of debris. we are joined live from kuala lumpur, malaysia, with more. hello. >> hi, carol. a committee is looking at deploying more utas, he would not elaborate on exactly when that will happen. we know the australians haven't asked for more auvs. angus huson saying the bluefin-21 is more than adequate for the search as of now. all of this, of course, as the
families, particularly in china, become increasingly frustrated in the search for answers. we know just a few days ago there was a video conference between malaysian officials and the families in beijing. that didn't work out well. there were technical glitches and the chinese families became angry, they started yelling at the malaysian officials saying they are lying, that they need more answers. the malaysian officials now saying they will be sending a high-level delegation to beijing, perhaps early next week to inform the families about the search and also in the words of them, to avoid more speculation. >> sumnima udas, reporting live from malaysia this morning. thanks so much. let's bring in the vice president of teledyme. >> good morning.
>> the malaysian transport minister tweeted that he wants more underwater drones. the australians say the bluefin-21 is enough for now. who's right? >> well, i think the issue is going to be the complexity of the search. and so more will cover more area more quickly, but the problem is, these are uncommon assets. it's hard to find them. there aren't that many out there. they have what we would call a long logistics tail. there's a lot that has to be around to support them. putting more of them in the water will be a complex thing. it is possible. it will speed things up but it is not just a simple process of putting another vehicle down. >> the australian prime minister said that after about seven days, if the fwbluefin-21 doesn find anything, the search may have to re-assess. what does he mean by that? >> the issue they're worrying
about right now is the bluefin-21, covers about 40 square kilometers a day. that's limited by the swath, the width of the sonar scan and the speed at which the vehicle flies above the sea bed. if you start to do some of the math and you look at the area around that 17-mile ping location dimensions they talked about last week, you're looking at 30 to 60 days of survey time. so you start to think you're in here for the long haul. they have to look at whether they're searching at the right spot. there are other types that might be faster but they're less common than the bluefin is. >> is one reason the weather? because the weather is not going to get any better out there. >> actually, the weather will get far worse. there this is right at the southern tip of the indian ocean, starting to approach the southern ocean.
we're going into winter. it's, you've heard it called before, maybe some people heard it, it's right by the roaring 40s. the water circulates around the southern part of the globe, the seas get rough, the winter is a tough time to do survey. as the seas get rough, the vehicles can't go in the water. it will stretch things out. to do a 30-day survey or 60-day survey, we usually think anywhere from two to three times the amount of time needed. that could be four months or six months of survey. >> any way you look at it, we're in for the long haul. thanks so much for your insight. >> thank you. international diplomats reach a deal in ukraine but there's some major push back this morning. phil black is live in eastern ukraine. he'll be with us after a break. with diabetes, it's tough to keep life balanced.
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international diplomats hash out a deal for ukraine but pro-russian militants reject it. this as jewish people in eastern ukraine are beyond outrage after they received flyers requiring jews over the age of 16 to register all their family members' cars and real estate. phil black has more for you. >> reporter: this letter injected the fear of anti-semitism into ukraine's crisis. the chief rabbi reads the text which says all jews over the age of 16 must register their
identities, real estate and car ownership. he tells me the notice was handed out near his synagogue on tuesday by four men wearing masks. he says when he first saw it, he felt shock and fear. america's ambassador to ukraine described his reaction to cnn's jake tapper. i was disgusted by these leaflets, especially in ukraine, a country that suffered so terribly under the nazis. it was one of the sights of the worst violence of the holocaust, to drag up this rhetoric again is almost beyond belief. >> reporter: the notice is signed dennis, the leader of the crowd's occupying government buildings in donetsk. we want to break away from ukraine. he denies he's behind the leaflet, telling cnn it's a clear provocation. the rabbi says the jews of
donetsk believe they're being used in a what they describe as fascists and nazis from the west of the country, the pro-european west. here on the ground, jewish people say those threats are grossly exaggerated and respond with some anger to them, so, too, this latest episode loving these leaflets. they believe people are trying to manipulate this incredibly sensitive issue in order to achieve a political goal in the ongoing battle for the future of this country. carol, back to you. >> phil black reporting live in donetsk in eastern ukraine. thank you. we want to talk more about this deal reached in geneva and whether it will work.
with me now, the senior political correspondent for "russia today." she's in moscow and cnn military analyst, simon marks. he joins us from bloomington, indiana. welcome to both of you. >> good morning, carol. >> thanks for having me. >> glad you're here. i'd like to get your insight on vladimir putin. americans don't trust him. yesterday u.s. senator called him unhinged. how do you respond to that? how do you see mr. putin? >> well, it's not surprising that most americans invading uk. i don't think that's the case. it's that simple. >> what about the flyers going around in eastern ukraine urging jews to register. what do you make of that,
anissa? >> i think it's disgusting. i think it's horrific that you have the secretary of state citing this incident when it was hours before it was cleared by respected correspondents, including your own phil black that this was a provocation. you had the head of the main synagogue in donetsk saying almost first off he believes this was a provocation. there's no doubt that anti-semitism is a big problem in ukraine. russia has been warning about this. i think what's even more alarming is that respected heads of think tanks in washington were tweeting about this, writing about this. no one retracted or talked about how there was talk about how this could be black propaganda. what's more frightening is that the government in kiev, call it illegal, call it legitimate, however you label it, there's members in the government who are part of parties that are openly associate themselves with adolf hitler. we're not just talking about low-ranking people in the
government. we're talking about the prosecutor general. we're talking about deputy vice prime ministers. these people associate themselves and are part of this party. that is what russia was talking about when it warned of these anti-semitic problems. >> general marks, what do you make of this? there is sentiment here that pro-russian militants are behind passing out these flyers. >> carol, i think the issue of anti-semitism is an extremely volatile, clearly it's something that needs to be addressed. but let's be frank. let's put that to the side right now. when 'have to concentrate on what is taking place in this incredible egregious violation of international law. what has already happened? it's a fact, is that crimea has been annexed by russia. the referendum that occurred was clearly not something that would have occurred without the provocation of russia. and, again, let's be frank.
russia invaded ukraine, annexed crimea and are now instigating what we see in eastern ukraine. there is absolutely no basis of fact that any of this activity that's occurring in donetsk is organic. that is instigated. clearly it's instigated. we have the intelligence that demonstrates that putin has a number of forces in eastern ukraine and they are totally unmarked. their badges and patches are gone, which is more, frankly, cynical, but it allows it to occur, to assume its own level here. the ukrainian government clearly is unarmed in this gun fight. they are not able to really move this thing to the side. not only do they have a responsibility but they have an obligation to try and that's failed miserably. therefore, we're at a point with the international community, nato, the eu, led by the united states, really has to put pressure on putten in a number
of ways throughout the elements of power that exist. we have to start scoring points so we can get this to back off before it escalates. >> let me ask you this, anissa. this deal that was reached in geneva after seven hours of negotiation required those pro-russian militants who have taken over buildings in eastern ukraine to lay down their weapons and leave those buildings. today we hear they're refusing to do that. why haven't vladimir putin somehow step in? >> well, vladimir putin made it very clear that russia in the sense that it's, yes, giving moral support to the protesters in eastern ukraine has nothing to do with the mass protesters that are armed. they are armed, occupying buildings. let's not forget that's exactly what happened. what happened in crimea, the general calling it invasion, it of course depends on how you define an invasion. in crimea, it's an autonomous region, has its own
constitution, own government before the events in kiev, which is what triggered the referendum, not necessarily russia. these people's rights were being infringed. the illegal government scrapped a law that protected the autonomy of crimea. it protected their language rights to have russian be an official language. not a great sign of a government that, one, took over violently, illegally. >> anissa, let's talk about what's happening today -- >> in terms of geneva. >> yes, in terms of geneva, what's happening today -- >> you can't talk about what's happening in eastern ukraine and claim like nato does, that these protesters are absolutely russian military because, one, they have russian weapons, two they're professional the way they use their weapons and three they're coordinated. so were the protesters on mydon. it's the same situation.
>> if these protesters are pro-russian could president putin go on russian television and ask them to lay down their arms and leave so we can have a peaceful resolution? >> he did ask them to leave. he said both side need to lay down their arms. you can't have arms laid down when tanks are moving in on their own people. half the country has been labeled terrorists in this anti-terror operation, ukrainians. >> general marks, go on. >> carol, if president putin voiced his concern with what he saw in eastern ukraine right now, and he demanded that the activity stop, guess what? they would stop. he can withdraw those forces. he has the authority to do that. he has the power to do that. that has not happened. it's really a complete kenard that putin calls president obama and says help me out of this tough spot i'm in. you've got to be kidding me. you've created this tough spot. now nato should be galvanizing
itself through the use of, as i've said, all those elements of power. most importantly right now, there has to be an immediate inflection point. there has to be a turn in terms of the operations we see on the ground. you can do that through galvanizing and bringing nato powers to bear. you can increase military operations. you can take garrison units out of garrison and get them to train on the ground. you can begin to put additional forces in the black sea, you can show strength and demonstrate -- >> you think having ukrainian intern government throw tanks on their own people is a way out of this crisis? >> the ukrainian government has an obligation to maintain good peace and order within its borders. and they have insurrectionists who are trying to dismantle the top and topple the government in kiev. >> how come that wasn't the case in mydom? >> it doesn't matter. what we see -- >> it does matter.
how can you say it doesn't matter? >> in terms of international law. >> i'll have to leave it there. general spider marks. >> i think what we're seeing in terms of international law are complete double standards. >> general marks, anissa, thank you both for joining me today. rescuers are dealing with awful weather in the search for survivors. but what are the chances that people may still be alive? underneath the water, in that sunken ferry? we'll take a look at that, next. you have time to shop for car insurance today? yeah. i heard about progressive's "name your price" tool? i guess you can tell them how much you want to pay and it gives you a range of options to choose from. huh? i'm looking at it right now. oh, yeah?
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there are five different stories in here, some for cargo, some for people. it was retrofitted a little more than a year ago. changes were made to passenger areas which seemed to have added weight to the ship. we don't know if that played a role but it's something they'll look at. over a fairly extended period of time, whether it hit something or had another problem, it began tipping like this and then rolled completely under water. and apparently, because people were being told to stay in place or couldn't get out, a lot of people appear to have been trapped inside. this is a huge challenge obviously because there can also be air trapped in there. they've been trying this idea of pumping air into these folks to see if they can somehow keep them supplied with oxygen and battle against the water in here. there are many challenges. first of all, can you get enough air in? so far they've had very little luck with that. secondly, the temperature of the water out here, this is around
50 degrees fahrenheit. if it is that cold, even if it's a little warmer, you really start talking about people only having a few hours before hypothermia becomes a very serious issue, potentially a lethal issue. there's that as well. this is hallways and rooms as any kind of ship might be. it's not an easy thing to get into and search, especially when there's problems of wedge, difficulties on the seas. it is a gigantic challenge, hour by hour, the chances of anyone staying alive in these conditions is, of course, diminished. >> tom foreman reporting. still to come in the "newsroom," if the wreckage from 370 is at the bottom of the ocean, bringing it back up to the surface will be a monumental task. martin savage has the story from 50 feet below. morning, martin. >> good morning. the view down here is beautiful but the problems could be
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the bluefin-21 is now 13 hours into its fifth mission, diving deep below the ocean surface, searching for the wreckage of flight 370. finding debris would be great but finding those black boxes would be even better. on the ocean floor, that will not be easy because they may be damaged. martin savage is at 50 feet below in a manned sub to show how it could be done. good morning, martin. >> reporter: yes, good morning, carol. this is pretty amazing that we have this ability to chat and talk and show you all this live from under the water. not a bad view out here, actually in her shall shorsesho.
the black boxes could be caught in debris, there could be ways they have to cut to get to it. a simple example we're trying to demonstrate here is that you can see that black cable, that wiring in an aircraft is notorious. it could be like almost a maze or a jungle. so trying to cut through it, you have to go piece by piece. let's see if we camden straig-- demonstrate. jeff, our pilot, will be working on the left-hand side. that's kind of a guillotine cutter. he'll be pumping on that cable, ever so slightly. he is also reporting the hpu, the automatic robotic arm here, which is going to be manipulated
by bill newton here, who is an expert on underwater salvage and underwater work, the idea is that you have to make a cut and then you've got to pull this apart here. and it's just really something that is done by centimeters, millimeters, at a time. when you hear these reports from australia saying, look, they find wreckage, it could be a long time. this is why. one simple cut, now let's see if we can make it break. we're pulling. >> are you bottomed out, jeff? >> yes. >> okay. >> there it is. you know, you cut it and you move one. keeping in mind -- great achievement there. but that process alone can take you several minutes and you could be faced with, like i say, just a maze of this stuff. that's one cut and it's done
very carefully at great depth. the other thing you begin to see here is visibility is another real challenge for us as we sit on the ocean. phil, many people may not have an understanding that it is not just something you get done in a day. >> no, for sure. with all of the variables, for instance, if it's a soft bottom, every time you move the vehicle, whether the vehicle be a manned submarine, a man submersible or remotely operated vehicle, you have to thrust up in order to maneuver. when you thrust up, the force of the downward wash from the propellers causes great swirl of bottom sediment if it's soft bottom. >> i don't know if you can give us that thruster action. maybe we camden straight that. that's the problem. the moment you make one cut, you have to reposition, get into a new location so then you can begin to start working on whatever the next piece of
equipment that has to be cut, then on top of that, there would be a saw, a diamond saw that can cut. >> there's a diamond wire saw you can cut with. there's a metal blade -- a saw you can cut with. a lot of it is a combination of guillotine cutting, using jaws to -- like the jaws of life, sort of to rip things apart and to just get in there and attach and move as you have to. >> last but not least you'll be down here for hours, maybe up to 15 hours. then there's the time to get back up to the surface, another crew comes down and continues to work. but, you know, we don't have gps down here. it's not like you can just immediately drop down and start where you left off. you have to keep each time acquiring where you've been. >> you have to go back to that same spot and see -- pick up the work where it started. sometimes you have to search around to find that particular spot where the last work was
done. it's a slow methodical process. if you try to rush it, it gets too hairy. it gets dangerous. you're in wreckage, debris. there are things that can hold you down and capture you. you have to be very careful. >> you're always concerned with safety, number one priority even as it is important that you find whatever can be found down there, carol. >> fascinating demonstration. thank you, gentlemen, martin savage, phil newton and the pilot back there, jeff. thanks so much. still to come in the newsroom, does diplomacy have a chance in ukraine? we'll take you to the white house and check in with michelle kosinski. morning, michelle. >> good morning. the white house has helped get russia to sign an agreement on de-escalation in ukraine, but do they think it will work? we'll have the latest, coming up. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes?
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hints for years now. just months after chelsea and mark's 2010 wedding. >> i'd like to be a grandfather. i have nothing to do with that achievement but i would like it. >> this in january. >> i really -- i really can't wait to be honest. >> and just last month -- >> do you think you and the president will have any more children? [ laughter ] >> well, no but i wouldn't mind one of those grandchildren that i hear so much about. >> reporter: as chelsea gets ready for motherhood, political circles are buzzing about how this might affect a potential hillary clinton run for president in 2016. in september, cbs news' charlie rose asked the former president this -- >> do you think she'd rather be today, she can do both, president or grandmother? >> if you ask her, i think she'd say grandmother. >> reporter: but many close to hillary clinton say it's not an either or and that having a grandchild might make a legacy as the first female president
that much more alluring. >> one day i hope to take my grandchildren to visit israel to see this country that i care so much about. >> reporter: a trip that would be even more special if she's in the white house. but first things first. planning for baby's arrival, this fall. >> i just hope that i will be as good say mom to my child, and hopefully children, as my mom was to me. >> reporter: brianna keilar, cnn, washington. checking our other top stories this morning, a suspect is in police custody in a series of highway shoot innings the kansas city area. so far, police are not releasing the man's identity. the suspect's identity. he is a man, though. the attacks began in early march. as manies so 20 shootings have been linked to the same person, police say. three people are recovering from injuries as a result of those shootings. another big retailer dealing with a data breach michaels stores says there was a security breach at certain systems that
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