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severely without regard to a particular defendant's motivation. thank you so much for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday. have a great weekend. a little bit of sunshine wherever you are, we're glad you're here. i'm chris ta i'm christi paul. >> we begin with breaking news. a drone strike has killed 15 people, 12 of them al qaeda suspects, and three civilians, happening in central yemen. >> this is an extreme hold of a group of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the terror suspects were traveling in a vehicle, and the three civilians were apparently in another car. but just recently, this chilling video that you're looking at here of al qaeda fighters meeting with their leader in
this region surfaced on the internet. >> let's talk more about the drone strikes. cnn national security analyst peter bergen joins us, he's on the phone. peter, put this strike into context for us and talk about the importance. and is there anything that you know or you can tell about the, let's siee, the three senior members killed in this attack? >> we don't know who those people were, and we may not know for some period of time. in terms of the kind of the context here, president obama has authorized around 100 drone and cruise missile strikes since he assumed office. there was only one drone strike in yemen in the two presidential george w. bush terms, so it really shows the focus used to be on pakistan and al qaeda members there, the focus is largely shifted to yemen. we're not seeing any drone strikes in pakistan over the last several months, whereas
we've seen eight drone strikes in yemen since the beginning of the year, victor. >> so, peter, could this strike have been tied to the video that surfaced recently? >> you know, i think that's very hard to tell. you know, we don't know for sure where the video was taken. barbara shaw who broke the story was told it may well have been in an area not far from where this strike has happened, but not exactly the same province where this strike took place. so there may just be -- there just may be a coincidence. >> let's talk more about the video and the potential implication for the u.s. i mean, does this indicate that there is a new round of attacks, or at least plotting for a new round of attacks by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula by the u.s.? >> the position is before they
can take a drone strike, they have to assess that the principal target of the strike is somebody who is posing some kind of imminent threat to the united states. imminent threat doesn't mean that necessarily, according to the obama administration, that somebody is, you know, dispatching a bomber tomorrow. it means that that person has plotted against an american target in the past and is continuing to do so, and there's no good reason to believe he stopped doing so. so any of these -- any one of the "a" strikes we've seen this year, at least theoretically, should be targeting somebody who poses some kind of imminent threat to the united states as the obama administration defines it. >> now, peter, correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i read, the u.s. is the only country known to have conducted, you know, drone strikes in yemen. and if that is true, how is that received by leaders there? >> well, in pakistan, where there's been, you know, hundreds
of drone strikes, it's extremely unpopular. i think in yemen, the situation is a little bit different. the present prime minister of yemen, prime minister hadie, has actually talked to the "washington post" and appeared at the united nations, and actually defended the drone program. which is pretty unusual. because you don't hear a lot of defenders in countries where these programs are happening. so i think in yemen, it's a more mixed picture. certainly, if you kill civilians, as happened in this strike, you know, that's going to generate resentment. you know, the obama administration, you know, the position is they will go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, but we do see civilian casualties continuing. >> yeah, peter, thank you so much. we appreciate you being here. >> thank you, peter. well, rescuers are desperately trying to find possible survivors in south korea's ferry catastrophe. >> here's what we know this hour. the death toll has really been climbing all morning.
right now, the number we're getting is 33, and it could go much higher. 269 people are still missing, and many of them are students who went to the same high school and were on a field trip to a resort island when that vessel capsized. >> hundreds of their parents have gathered where they're watching the search for their children on these two huge video screens. they're also giving dna samples to help identify anyone who's found. some survivors say people on the vessel were told not to move for their own safety. and that sparked a lot of anger, questions, also, with so many people missing now. >> the captain says that he feared passengers would be swept away in the rough waters, and that was his reasoning for giving that order. he and his third mate and a crew technician all made it off that ferry, and now, of course, are facing charges. >> prosecutors say the captain was not at the helm when the ship capsized. both he and his third mate have been speaking out. >> let's bring in cnn's paula
hancock, who's in south korea there. so, paula, tell us about the latest on the investigation and what both the captain and this third mate are saying. >> well, christi, there are five charges against the captain, including negligence, abandoning boats and causing bodily injury. if he's found guilty of all of those charges, all five of them, co-face anywhere from five years to life imprisonment. remember, he wasn't at the helm at the time of this accident. he said he wasn't even in the steering room. we do know the third mate was in charge of the ship, and she has been charged with three charges, including causing injuries leading to deaths. the captain himself, though, has tried to justify not telling people to abandon ship whilst it was sinking, saying, as you were saying, he was concerned people would be swept away. he said there were no rescue boats, no fishing boats, or other boats nearby, so he didn't feel he could tell them to abandon ship.
of course, he, himself, was rescued, and he did get off the ship along with the third mate. christi and victor? >> paula, i understand you got a good look at the search effort today? >> reporter: that's right. we got within a couple hundred feet from the area where the sunken ferry actually is. now, all you can see on the surface of the water at this point is two large inflatables, which mark where the ferry is. otherwise, you would have no idea that a 6,800-ton ferry was beneath you. you can't see anything. they are very murky waters and we know the ship is sinking. and when it comes to the diving, we saw a number of boats with divers on board, trying desperately to get inside the submerged ship at this point. they got to the third floor, we understand, and as the death toll is rising, clearly they are managing to recover some bodies. they're not finding survivors at this point. we also saw four cranes, those
large inflate -- floatable cranes at the area. they're not being used at this point, though even though some divers say it is time to use them, because it's too difficult to get to the ship itself. >> translator: we need cranes. if they could raise the ferry a little, the depth of the water would be reduced so we could conduct operations quickly and safely. it is 35 to 40 meters deep. it will be hard to take them out, even if there are survivors in the ferry. >> reporter: of course, this is a very difficult decision to make, and officials say they will make this decision with the families' consent, because the assumption is, once you start moving the ship, that any air pockets that potentially could be inside could be disturbed. so, of course, once the cranes get involved, the question is, does it stop becoming a search and rescue operation, and does it just become a search and salvage operation if? >> we can see, paula, behind u you, the sun is down, it's night. what does that mean for the investigation and how are conditions right now?
>> reporter: well, this is the fourth night in a row now that the many families behind me are basically sitting beside of the water looking out, wondering what is going to happen. now, of course, the investigation is ongoing. they're trying to find out exactly why this has happened. the police have told cnn that they are looking into why there was this turn by the ship. of course, we heard from eyewitnesses, they heard a loud bang. but whether or not they actually hit something is being questioned by officials. they say that there is a low possibility that they actually hit a rock. the captain himself says that there wasn't a deviation from course. he had planned the route before he left the steering room. so there really are a lot of loose ends to tie up. and the investigation is in its very early stages. of course, it is going alongside the search and rescue operation, which, in the public eye, is definitely taking precedence at this point. >> all right, paula hancocks there for you in south korea.
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crucial for search efforts. today, 11 military planes, 12 ships are scouring a 20,000-square-mile zone. >> the narrowing of the search for today and tomorrow is at a very critical juncture, so i appeal to everybody around the world to pray and pray hard that we find something over the next couple of days. >> malaysia's transport minister there also echoing the australian prime minister saying that if the search doesn't yield anything in the next few days, officials may, quote, regroup and reconsider their strategy. >> let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and bill walldock of emery riddle university in arizona. tom, is it time to take this search back to square one? we're six weeks in. is it indeed time to regroup and
reconsider? >> -- transport minister should just stop making comments, which he has repeatedly done for 43 straight days, which are not helpful, often contradictory, and do not provide any useful information about the investigation. i wouldn't put any stock in what he says until we hear it from angus houston, who's running the search. >> bill, when you hear him say we are at a critical juncture for two days, what is so critical about the next two days, in your opinion? >> well, i was quite surprised to hear him say that, because i don't see anything that's going to be really critical over the next couple of days. this sort of thing has only really been done a few times, and all of the times that we've used these auvs, it takes a great deal of time to find what you're looking for. >> you know, i also found that a bit interesting that the pingers are expected to be long dead by now, and they haven't heard a new one.
so what was so important about these two days? tom, i'll come to you with this malaysian aviation source told cnn the jet was still inside vietnamese airspace when it deviated from its flight path from kuala lumpur to beijing, it climbed 39,000 feet after making the climb to the west. do you see there's anything that can be gleaned from that statement? some of this we knew for sometime. but anything that you take from that, tom? >> yet again, victor, i guess i'm always mr. negative, but we don't know that that's true. and this backsource information that comes out is based on what -- whose radar -- i'd like to have the actual original sourcing. whose data is it? who analyzes it? who made the determination that the plane went up in altitude, down, made this turn or that turn, went down to 4,000 feet. you know, all of this type of information that comes out can't be really confirmed. and probably won't be until the black boxes are recovered and they get the flight data recorder, which will say exactly
the altitude, the direction, the speed, all of that vital information about that aircraft and the whole flight duration. but i think that these kinds of statements come out, and then everybody spins in a circle about what that means and what was the pilot thinking. and i'm not certain it's accurate. and we know for sure that it's the truth. >> bill, let me ask you something, we talk about critical juncture in two days. and now they've put a timeframe on the bluefin saying within a week they should know. are you getting a sense in any way -- since they're throwing this stuff out -- that perhaps they are closer to something that we -- they just aren't releasing that we don't know about? >> well, i think there's a couple of possibilities. that's certainly one of them. they may be developing information that they haven't publicly released that gives them more confidence that they're going to find something in the next few days. and the other thing is it's starting to get more and more expensive the further they go. >> hey, professor, do you think that before -- if there is the
decision that's made, the search crews move from this area to another, that they should bring in maybe another vehicle, maybe bring in the orion, which is towed behind a ship instead of sticking with the bluefin? >> well, the towed array sonars can cover much larger areas, but thinking back to air france 447, they did four separate searches over two years. the towed array search was the third one. it was actually after they had regrouped and reconsidered where they needed to actually be looking that they went back to the last point of contact with the aircraft, and that's where they put the auvs in the water, and they used three in that particular search. and it took them 18 different missions before they actually found the airplane, and it turned out to have been six and a half miles away from its last known position. so i would expect there are --
this regrouping that they're talking about probably will happen if they don't find anything soon. >> all righty. tom fuentes and bill walldock, thank you for sharing your perspective with us. >> you're welcome. >> glad to. let's talk about the square on a delta flight. passengers, they were pulled off and questioned after a bomb threat was found. we'll tell but that note, and we'll tell you what the conversations were about. male a] the average person smiles more than 50 times a day. so safely whiten your smile with listerine whitening. other mouthwashes just whiten teeth. but listerine whitening® both whitens and restores enamel. new listerine whitening vibrant®. power to your mouth.
we were just talking about this bomb threat that had to do with a delta flight, and we want to go to nick valencia to get caught up on that story and some others. >> good morning, nick. >> good morning, guys. good morning to you at home. let's start in colorado with the headlines here. a bomb threat written on a note prompted a security screening after a delta flight landed in denver. the plane with 157 people on
board landed safely yesterday afternoon. the fbi did question some passengers at a remote airport location, and then allowed most of them to go on their way. that story is developing. in los angeles, police have arrested a suspect who threatened to start shooting at the "l.a. times" building. the man did work for the newspaper, but for another company in the building. he said he had been depressed, didn't mind killing someone. a big piece of ice fell off the mountain. that's what a sherpa who survived an avalanche said. the avalanche terrifying on mount everest. the death toll has climbed to 13 with three still missing. all of the victims are sherpas. a group of about 50 people were preparing camps above 20,000 feet when the avalanche hit. rescue teams are searching for the missing. it could be days before a decision is made on whether to plan expedition will go ahead. victor and christi, can i only imagine the fear that must have paralyzed those folks on the mountain as it came barrelling
down on them. so scary there. and some are still missing, so we hope they're found safe. >> good point. >> nick, thank you. >> you got it, guys. >> thanks, thick. speaking of, gosh, disasters we've been watching, this ship in south korea, you have to imagine the grief turning to frustration and anger for the families. these moms and dads in excruciating limbo. >> they're wondering if their children are dead or alive. we'll have the latest. plus an expert will tell us why south korean parents have a unique relationship with their children. hi, i'm jay farner, president of quicken loans. and we're here in detroit michigan helping folks refinance their homes and save money. does it make sense to refinance right now? a lot of times we can lower the monthly payment, we can consolidate debt. we just want to make sure that you know your options, and we're here for you. we're not just number crunchers. i specialize in what i do and i care about my clients. from beginning, the middle and to the end, you're gonna talk to someone. not a machine.
coast. >> the death toll's been rising all morning. now standing at 33. it could go much higher. 269 people, many of them teenagers, are still missing three days after the vessel sank. >> the captain who was among the 174 people rescued, faces nearly a half dozen charges, including abandoning his ship. >> the third mate, whom prosecutors say was at the ship's helm when it capsized, is also charged, along with the crew technician. >> some parents are at a gymnasium watching these big tv monitors showing latest on the ferry's search, and it's hard to imagine their an wish. you don't have to be a parent to sympathize here. they're waiting, watching, wondering and fearing divers might find the bodies of their children. >> and some -- i mean, emotions, they get to the surface, and look at this, see the guy on the left-hand side of the screen, taking his emotions out on coast guard officials. of course, any mom and dad, you know they're beside themselves in a nightmare situation like this. we want to talk about the
parent/child relationship in south korea. and steven norper is senior vice president of the korea society, live with us from new york. thank you so much, steven, we appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >> help us understand this unique relationship between parent and child in this country. >> yeah, certainly. well, physica well, first, our hearts go out to the people. the relationship is unique in a few senses. one is that in south korea you have one of the lowest birth rates in the industrialized world, only 1.2 children per woman. so that is very low. and that means that many families only have one child, possibly two. and secondly, a tremendous amount is put into their upbringing. some 55% of household income goes to their education. so the parents give everything during that period, and it's just so tragic to lose all of these young students, perhaps it will be 300 individuals, and just terrible, terrible time.
>> so why do these families likely only have one child? is that an economic decision? >> it's an economic decision that's accompanied south korea modernization. we know south korea's a real lead now regionally, made tremendous gains in two generations. it's gone from war and poverty to being one of the world's economic leaders. but with that modern economy, women are working and the necessities of economics, the high cost of education, high cost of life in korea, not dissimilar to the united states, means that families do limit the number of children they have. >> you know, let's talk about this culture of obedience, if we could, real quickly. >> sure. >> because we know there are a lot of questions about why some of the students stayed put when crew members told them not to move while the boat was tilting. >> sure. >> i'm assuming it's because they have been taught that you respect your elders and you do as you're told. is there any point you see them
just saying, i've got to go with my gut here? >> sure, christi, very good point. the students are taught -- it is a confusion society, and obedience is a level of commitment and expectation, whereas in other countries, a similar disaster, people have fled more rapidly. that is the way they're raised. that confution expectation comes in the grief, dissatisfaction with some of the public officials, and a great anger over the captain and the expectation that he should have been on board. prams that's a common expectation, but in this society there are level of duty and levels of expectation. but it did keep the children, sadly, far too many in the cabins, and that's probably resulted in a real increase in the loss of life. >> you know, there's that report that the school's vice president committed suicide, and we've heard from some of the parents standing there on the shore, who
were in this gymnasium, said i want to jump into the sea. how can i live? how can i eat? is there a genuine concern that is warranted based on this culture that many of these people will commit suicide? >> well, it's a society that has seen tremendous tragedy. it's quite sad. it has been divided now for over 60 years. it had a horrible 20th century where it was occupied for the first 35 years, and then it was divided and has lived with that tragedy since. there's a korean expression called hahn or grievance, often felt by the korean people, a certain sadness about being victims in modern history after very long period of strength and unity. and so, the expressions of grief are very real. and the suicide of the vice principal kong is a tragedy on tragedies. again, it has something to do with the expectations of duty in this society, and he felt apparently from the suicide note as reported, a sense of failure
result of the expectation. it's just very, very sad all around, and certainly those expressions of grief are just heartbreaking. and i know we really care very deeply and extend our deepest condolences. >> as do we. >> steven, thank you so much for helping us get a real sense of this and an understanding of what this means to all those folks there. of course, we echo the sentiments. thoughts and prayers with these families. >> thank you, steven. >> thank you. >> thank you. let's talk about the war of words now between the u.s. and russia and this crisis in the ukraine. it's heating up. why a kremlin spokesperson is slamming the west for hypocrisy and defending the country's military buildup along ukraine's border. i'm j-a-n-e and i have copd. i'm d-a-v-e and i have copd.
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bartender: thanks, captain obvious. co: which is why i put the hotels.com mobile app on my mobile phone. anyone need a coupon? i don't. secretary of state john kerry says the next few days in ukraine are pivotal. that's what he told russian foreign minister sergey lavrov yesterday. the two spoke over the phone just one day after meeting face to face in geneva. >> and they reached a diplomatic agreement there in geneva calling for militants to lay down their arms. here's the thing. pro-russian separatists remain defiant. they refuse to leave seized
buildings. >> russia, for its part, is defending a decision to put some 40,000 troops near ukraine's border. >> let's bring in monica and former u.s. ambassador to nato, kurt volcker. kurt, what does russia need to do to show the international community that it's serious about the geneva pact, or are they? >> well, that's just it. i don't think they're serious about it at all. i think that they're playing two sides of a game here. on the one hand, they're saying, oh, we're russia, we have nothing to do with this. this is a domestic and indigenous uprising against ukraine, what can we do, and saying within our own territory, of course, we have the right to put troops wherever we want to put them. so they are doing that on the international side, trying to portray a helpful role, or a neutral role. in fact, russia's actually actively supporting these groups in ukraine. they, i'm sure, are being organized and led by russian special forces, as we saw in
crimea. and putin is reserving the right to intervene in ukraine, as he said in an interview the other day, if, in fact, the violence escalates. the groups will hold their ground. the ukrainian government is hamstrng by this agreement, feeling it has to be careful about how it re-establishes control. if there's any outbreak of fighting, russia is poised to go right back in. >> monica, you lived in kiev as a u.s. official for several years, also went back as an anthropologist for another year. how much of this ongoing conflict is part of a daily fabric of life in ukraine? are you surprised by this escalation? >> i was surprised by the invasion of crimea. i am surprised that the geneva agreement doesn't speak about the invitation of crimea or the seizure of crimea, and that the order in the -- in the geneva agreement doesn't address russian troops or russian officials leaving crimean buildings, or crimean land. so i've been surprised by all of that. in terms of daily life, people
who live in cities and towns near the border of russia have woken up every morning for the last six weeks wondering if they're going to hear russian boots outside their door. so there are people in eastern ukraine who have been living on a knife's edge, and in some of the small towns in the cities where these so-called separatists have seized buildings, people there are longing for a return to normal life on the whole. in kiev, there's a more distant sense of the crisis, but people are volunteering for self-defense units, even in kiev. so there is -- across the country, there's a sense that the nation is in crisis. >> let's talk about something that i think alarmed a lot of people when this happened this week, these leaflets that began showing up in eastern ukraine, ordering jews to register themselves and document their property with the pro-russian militia. a lot of experts were saying the
pamphlets were bogus, used to antagonize citizens. let's listen to susan rice from yesterday. >> the president expressed his disgust quite bluntly. i think we all found word of those pamphlets to be utterly sickening, and they have no place in the 21st century. and we have conveyed that view very forcefully to all concerned. >> monica, how accurate are those leaflets in reflecting feelings of people in the ukraine? >> i mean, the jewish community leaders in ukraine have said that there is not a problem with state-sponsored anti-semitism or with widespread anti-semitism. as in any country, including our own country, there are incidents of hate crimes, and i don't want
to downplay that, because there is a problem with hate crimes. but there is not a problem of widespread anti-semitism as a matter of state policy or even as a matter of citizen involvement with each other. my jewish friends in ukraine echo what the jewish community leaders say, which is they feel unrestricted in how they live their lives. the choices that they make, the relationships that they have. >> mr. ambassador, i want to ask you about something that monica just said about this pact. why wasn't the presence of those 40,000 troops referenced here? crimea, as well? i mean, has the u.s. written off crimea and walked away from its commitment it made to ukraine in the '90s? >> right, right, this is an excellent question. and monica makes excellent points about what is not in that agreement as opposed to what is. i think the two reasons that explain what happened are, a, the ukrainian government itself
apparently was willing to go along with this, because they were part of those discussions. so how can we be more ukrainian than ukrainians would be an argument the u.s. would make to itself. secondly, i think the priority that the u.s. had going into this discussion is try to get the russians to commit to a path of deescalation. and if this begins that path to de-escalation, they're probably willing to go forward with it. i agree with monica. i think these are glaring omissions that we don't talk about crimea, we don't talk about russian forces on ukrainian territory today. we don't talk about russian agitators. we don't talk about russian support for them. we don't talk about the troops across the border. there's a whole lot that should be in there, requiring russia to back down, that is not in there. >> we'll see if actually these pro-russian militants who are still in eastern ukraine actually leave these government buildings. monica appinger, former ambassador kurt volcker, thank you for speaking with us. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. switching gears, a big part
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we think we know so much about the world. and then we see what we've been going through for the last few weeks. the ocean covers 70% of our planet, and we know so little about it, especially in parts that we need to know about now. so we're seeing firsthand in two of the biggest stories this morning that very truth. the continued hunt for flight 370 in the southern indian ocean. >> and also the search for survivors on the south korean ferry that capsized on wednesday. at least 33 people dead. 269 still missing. let's bring in fabian cousteau, planning a record 31-day mission at the bottom of the ocean, called "mission 31." and also the grandson of jacques cousteau. fabien, good to have you back. >> good to be back. >> why do we know so little about the ocean? >> well, a number of things. first of all, just to correct your first statement, although we do talk about the surface of the oceans being 72%, 73%, we're
neglecting the third dimension. if you talk about the third dimension in the conversation, all of a sudden the oceans represent 99% of this planet's living space. so it's a huge volume. it's really difficult to get to many places, as we've seen, with some of the previous reports. and the resources are just not there. they're not being funded. >> okay. so as i understand it, only three humans have ever ventured to the deepest parts of the ocean. is that because technologically we're just not ready to go there, or we just don't know enough about it to prepare ourselves? >> well, the materials are there and ready. it's a matter of assembling and finding the funding to do so. you're right, there have only been three people that can call themselves the deepest people of the sea. including james cameron and, of course, the expedition in the '50s. but the reality is over eight
tons per square inch of pressure at those depths, it's extraordinarily difficult to get to. >> so we know that although they have not found any evidence of flight 370 using this bluefin-21, they have taken photographs -- well, not photographs -- they have images, rather, of this portion of the ocean. talk about that value. >> well, it's of huge value for future exploration, because we start seeing a topographical map that's much more accurate than what we've been able to work with in the past, at least for that localized area. beyond this, of course, they're using all the resources that they have at hand that haven't been allocated elsewhere to map the area and hopefully find evidence of this plane. that's not to say that it's going to be done in short order. it may take a long time. >> so let's talk about the ferry in south korea that capsized. how difficult do you think it's
going to be -- not a recovery system, but rescue possibility? i mean, do you think there are any survivors in that ferry? >> well, you know, as opposed to the malaysian airlines, we know exactly where the boat is here. and recovery efforts or rescue efforts are under way as we speak. i do believe that there's a good possibility that there will be survivo survivors, but as time ticks on, air supplies or oxygen supplies dwindle, and the fact that hypothermia and other factors may set in to those folks who might be in those remaining air pockets, definitely come into play. >> we mentioned right at the top that you've got mission 31 coming up, some experiments there. and i guess part of it is understanding what that environment does to the human body. >> well, absolutely. so i'm taking a team of six
will-be aquanauts, down to a lab known as aquariaquarius, and ou commute is out in the ocean column for eight to ten, twelve hours, and we'll be testing like the astronauts do in outer space what it does to our bodies, our psychology, and, of course, what it is we can discover out there. >> it's like the real-world deep ocean. >> that's a great point. one of the beauties of this particular platform is for the first time we're able to connect with the world in realtime through these little devices, as well as tweeting, facebook posts, so on, so forth, so we'll be able to skype in the classroom, for example, to a school in china. >> wow. >> fascinating. >> we can talk to the space station. >> all right. we're so excited to watch it.
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if you live in the southeast, you're probably waking up to april showers this morning. take a look at this. this is out of miami earlier today, thanks to our affiliate wplg. you can see lightning striking in full force. >> meteorologist jennifer gray, how dangerous is it out there now? that was earlier. >> yeah, that was earlier. it's all pushed offshore. the sun already back out in south florida. that's how quickly the weather changes down there. but we are seeing a very different picture, especially for the carolinas, and this rain is going to stick around over the next couple of days. your easter sunday is pretty much going to be a washout. if you are right around the outer banks, we're going to see a lot of rain in raleigh, norfolk, as we head through the next 24 to 48 hours. it is tapering off points west. atlanta's tapering off for you. charlotte, we'll see a little bit more rain as we go through the rest of the afternoon. and then clearing out. the best place to be on easter sunday? definitely the northeast, as well as the deep south, guys. they're going to see a lot of
sunshine and some mild temperatures. places in new york running 15 degrees above normal. >> nice! >> very nice. >> jennifer, thank you so much. all righty. so happy easter all of you who celebrate, and go make some great memories. >> absolutely. that'll do it for us today. we turn it over to our colleague fredricka whitfield. >> i think this feels like a typical easter weekend, in that, don't you remember as a kid, you got your easter outfit and still had to wear a sweater. >> yes, my kids are doing it now. >> and overcast. it's not fitting with the colorful eggs and bunny surprises and all that good stuff. >> they don't care, as long as they get their candy. >> that's true. it will not stop the kids or easter bunny. it's the 11:00 eastern hour of the "newsroom," which begins right now. the death toll rises in that sunken ferry catastrophe. divers desperately racing to find survivors. the captain facing new charges now and admitting he wasn't even at the helm of the ship when it capsized.
and an underwater drone scans the ocean floor in search of the missing malaysia airliner. it's capturing clear and sharp images of new territory, but for how long? new details on that. and a drone strike targeting al qaeda operatives in yemen killed at least 15 people today, according to officials in yemen. 12 of them were suspected al qaeda militants, according to yemeni defense ministry spokespeople. the strike hit a pickup truck in the southwestern part of that country. pentagon correspondent barbara star joins me now on the phone. so, barbara, what more can you tell us about this strike? >> well, good morning, fredricka. so far, u.s. officials are not commenting on this at all, and probably with good reason when these very sensitive drone strikes happen in yemen. it is either the pentagon or the cia that carries them out. they're some of the most classified operations. so don't expect any public statements, but what sources from the region are telling us
is that it was aimed at three very well-known al qaeda app a tivs linked to a training camp in southern yemen. they weren't going after, we don't believe, any of, you know, the top-tiered, number-one leaders of al qaeda in yemen, including a man named wahishi, one of the men we saw on the videotape earlier this week at a meeting of about 100 militants in that very southern yemen region. and it's going to take some time to figure out if they really got the people they were going after. they'll have to get on the ground, get some identification, gather some more intelligence. but at this point, what they're telling us is these are operatives, they were keeping an eye on them, they knew where they were, and they went after them. fred? >> and so, barbara, we'll check back with you as you get more information. thank you so much. i'm joined now by former u.s. ambassador to iraq, christopher hill, as well he is currently
the dean of the joseph koshle at the university of denver. good to see you. in your view, how significant is this strike, hitting three well-known operatives? >> well, first of all, i think our service does quite a job tracking these people. you know, coming a few days after that brazen effort by the al qaeda leadership to show that they're around, we, i think, demonstrated that we can hunt them down. i have seen a number of these strikes, and it is amazing how accurate and how well targeted they are. i mean, the idea that innocents are being killed, it's really not the case. they're going right after some real bad guys, and, you know, they've done a very good job. >> so even if you're in your view lesser powerful figures were hit in this strike, does it still send a very strong mess e message, one of intimidation? does it make an impact on a grand scale anyway?
>> i think it's obviously the right to do -- the right then to do, whether these are small fry or bigger leaders, i suspect they weren't, you know, the top leaders. it sounds like the top leaders met somewhere else with other top leaders. but i think it sends a very powerful message. first of all, of our technical capabilities, obviously. but also of our will. and i think one thing we've really shown through the bush a administration and obama administration is a real will to deal with these people. >> and that these strikes would take place in yemen, give me an idea what kind of cooperation the yemeni government or what represents the yemeni government and the u.s. efforts, how they're able to work in concert to do something about what some thought was a diminishing al qaeda, but it looks like al qaeda is very much strong and has a significant presence in the world. >> i mean, this issue of whether al qaeda is diminishing, they've
certainly diminished in some capabilities, some significant capabilities. but unfortunately, they're going to be around for sometime. this is something that's been going on for years and will go on for some more years. so i think we simply have to stay at it, and i think we're doing that. with respect to the amount of cooperation we received from local governments, this is obviously a very delicate matter, when we talk about the cooperation publicly, we make future cooperation more difficult. so i think the last two administrations have felt that the best way to deal with this is quietly and through the context that we have, and not discuss it publicly. >> all right. ambassador christopher hill, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. now to that urgent race to find more survivors who were on that south korean ferry that capsized. the death toll now stands at 33. at least 269 people are still missing. most of them students who went
to the same high school. they were on a field trip to a resort island when the ship rolled over. hundreds of their parents are gathering on jindau island where they're watching the search for their children by video. they're also giving dna samples to help identify anyone who is found. some say survivors on the ship were told not to move for their own safety, but the captain said he feared passengers would be swept away in the rough waters. he and his third mate and a crew technician all made it off the ferry, and now face charges. a lawyer says the captain broke the seaman's law. it states a captain must stay with the ship until all personnel are safely off the ship. the captain says he was in a cabin and not at the helm of the ship when it capsized. the third mate was, instead. the captain said he did not make a sharp turn, but the steering turned much more than usual. our paula hancocks is at the scene of the search.
>> reporter: the two large inflatables behind me are the only sign of where this sunken ferry is, and more than 6,000-ton ferry is beneath the waves. you wouldn't know it was there if it wasn't for the sheer number of vessels on the water. i've counted more than 100, ranging from the very large national warships down to the very small private fishing vessels. everybody wants to be involved if there is any chance they know of finding survivosurvivors. the two helicopters we saw in the air earlier, four cranes, floatable, massive cranes are here, as well, but they're not part of this operation at this point. we do know there are divers now trying to get inside this submerged vessel to see if they can find any survivors at all. one thing we've noticed in the past hour is an oil slick on the top of the water, and a very strong smell of oil in some areas. it's not clear at this point whether this is related to the ferry. unfortunately, this afternoon, the weather conditions are deteriorating somewhat, which is jeopardizing the search and
rescue operation. the swell of the sea is a lot bigger than it was just a matter of hours ago, and now we don't see any divers in the area where the ship is submerged. you see the two big inflatables there. that's where the ferry is under the water. so there is a concern that the search and rescue operation is being jeopardized again this saturday by the weather. paula hancocks, cnn, in the yellow sea off south. up next, why officials are saying it may be time to regroup in the hunt for flight 370.
some new developments in the search for malaysian airlines flight 370, we're learning today the underwater drone that's been scanning the sea floor should complete its work within a week. that's sooner than many expert has predicted. officials say the bluefin-31 has captured clear and sharp images of territory that had been unchartered until now. well, though it hasn't found any
trace of the plane. malaysia's acting transport minister said the next two days could be crucial in the hunt for the jet that vanished six weeks ago with 239 people on board. he agreed with the australian prime minister who said that no matter what happens in the next few days, officials may have to, quote, regroup and reconsider the search operations. today, 11 military planes and 12 ships are scouring a search zone that has been narrowed dramatically. searchers are expected to cover about 20,000 square miles today. but they will be contending with some rough weather as rain moves into the southern indian ocean. so, the big development today seems to be the accelerated schedule for searching this particular zone of the indian ocean. let's bring in our panel for today. peter goelz is a cnn aviation analyst and former ntsb managing director, jeff weiss is a cnn aviation analyst and the author of the book "extreme fear," and
sylvia earle is from the national geographic society. good to see all of you. sylvia, to you first. why will they be done mapping this search area so much quicker than all had been thinking? >> well, it really relates to focusing on the most likely a a area, and it may not be in that area, but that's the most likely centered around the pings that were detected. so i think that's the answer. there's no guaranteeing that the aircraft is really in that place. but this is the most likely yar, and so they're focusing on that area. >> jeff, in your view, what's the best way in which to use this bluefin-21 at this point, even though while it's mapping unchartered territory, there is no sign of the primary objective, that plane? >> well, i think it's worth asking at this point whether the
bluefin-21 is really an appropriate technology to be using at all. bear in mind the way an airplane search in such a situation is traditionally carried out is first you have a general idea of where the plane is, then you search from the air to look for wreckage and debris on the surface. then, once you find the wreckage, you work backwards using your knowledge of the currents to try to figure out where it might be on the bottom, then you listen for pings, and then, once you have found the pings, then you use something like the bluefin to search the bottom. now, we have skipped all of those steps. what we've essentially done is wound up looking at some random place in the indian ocean using a very fine, detailed instrument that can only search a very small area. >> but you're -- so you're saying that -- well, the use of the -- the pings did appear, at least according to, you know, all the technology that was used, so there were pings that helped to zero in on this area, thereby the use of the bluefin. >> well, there was always a lot of questions whether the pings were false positive or actually
correlated to the black box. remember, these were not at the frequency that we were expecting to hear them. and they were distributed across the seabed in a way that was not what we would expect. >> all right. >> so basically -- yeah? essentially a false positive. >> so in your view, it's a false positive. peter, has that been your gut instinct that the false positive of the pings brought this bluefin to an area that was bound to have futile results? >> well, they were searching -- their search area was based on a number of suppositions, which are another word for guesses, that were based on some very cutting-edge analysis. they hadn't done this before. and jeff is right, the pings were a little questionable. you had three of them clustered somewhat together, then you had an outlier 17 miles away. they weren't quite at the megahertz level they should have been. this was the best shot.
and i think that the statement by the minister that we're shutting down the bluefin within the next five to seven days means that they're going to have searched about 300 to 400 square miles, and then they're going to reassess. i think that shows they've got some real problems ahead. >> so, sylvia, in your view, what does reassessing mean? does it mean it's time to move on to a different type of technology? does it mean backtracking completely and starting from ground zero? how do you see this reassessing? >> well, essentially, that's right. to broaden the search area, the reason the bluefin was brought in is because they thought they found the most likely place. and now, stepping back, it's like looking for the "titanic" before they knew where the "titanic" actually did go -- i mean, they knew kind of where it went down, and we kind of know where the airplane is thought to have gone down, but it's a much wider area.
so, huh. using other sonar technologies are not as refined as what you can get with a system that is deployed close to the seabed like the bluefin. otherwise, you get less resolution, it isn't as good when you drag sonar detectors, or use ships, which is the more common way to get an overview of what's in an area. >> so what other kind of submersible-type assets do you believe, sylvia, should be brought into this area in the interim if they're already giving a timestamp of maybe another week for the bluefin? what else should be brought in while bluefin is doing what work it can? >> well, technologies that have been used in the past include towed sonar arrays, or sonar that is actually embedded within ships that pass back and forth over an area, but the resolution
is not nearly as good as what you can get when you're close to the sea floor. they may miss something, even as large as the aircraft. >> all right. well, it looks like there may be a plan in development of starting this all over again. peter goelz, jeff weiss, sylvia earle, thank you so much. we'll be sticking with you, again, a bit later on. we hope folks will tune in for more discussions on where do we go from here in the search for flight 370. all right, still to come in the "newsroom," the deadliest accident ever on mount everest just got even deadlier. details next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ben! well, that was close!
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all right. welcome back. we'll get back to more on the south korean ferry and the ongoing search for flight 370, but first there is a lot of other news going on. nick valencia is here with all of the big stories. >> lots to catch you up on here. 22 minutes past the hour. good morning to those watching us at home. people in eastern ukraine awoke to thousands of russian troops near their border. russia says they are there due to political instability, all while pro-russian separatists in donetsk have dug in for another day in defiance of an international deal aimed at resolving the crisis and preventing an all-out civil war. so far, the separatists have
rejected calls for them to leave the public buildings they occupy and lay down their arms. the number of fatalities in what was already the deadliest accident on mount everest rose again this morning when search and rescue teams found the body of another sherpa guide. in total, 13 people were killed and three others remain missing of after an avalanche struck at 20,000 feet. mount everest is the world's highest peak. the deadliest year on everest was in 1996. more than 200 people have died on the mountain in the last 100 years. the fbi questioned the passengers of a flight from detroit to denver last night after a note with a bomb threat was found. delta flight 1500 landed safely and was diverted to a remote area of the denver international airport. the plane was permitted to taxi to the terminal, and about four hours of screening. an fbi spokesman said most of the passengers were allowed to claim their luggage and continue with travel plans. imagine this. imagine driving a night and seeing this light up the sky. that's dash cam video posted on
youtube of what looks like a meteor here. just incredible footage, one of the most incredible scenes we've seen. fred, you know, the footage of this meteor in russia, there's a lot of live dash cams on their cars, they love dash cams, to prevent insurance fraud, police corruption, capture things like this. this meteor trailing across the sky. look at that light up there. >> don't we recall that it was russia where there was once a meteor that actually made impact, made a big boom, et cetera? i don't know if russia is just that big or that unlucky. >> they love their dash cams. >> i guess lucky depending on your point of view. >> yes, catching incredible footage like that. yeah. >> thank you so much, nick. we'll see you again. appreciate it. all right. the death toll climbing in that ferry that sank off the coast of south korea. and the blame could go to the captain, the shocking details about where he was when the ship capsized. [ male announcer ] they say he was born to help people clean.
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heading to an area known as a hotbed for al qaeda. a source from the region said the strike was aimed at three well-known operatives linked to a training camp. there's no indication today's attack had anything to do with the recently released al qaeda video made last month. some new developments in the search for malaysia airlines flight 370. the bluefin-21 underwater drone that's been scanning the sea floor looks like it could complete its work within a week. also, both australian and malaysian officials are saying they will have to regroup and reconsider search operations in the next few days. today, 11 military planes and 12 ships are scouring the search zones. and the death toll rises to 33 in that horrific ferry disaster. 239 people, many of them students and teachers, are still missing after the ship sank three days ago. divers are desperately trying to find more survivosurvivors. they made it to the third deck inside the ship and saw bodies, but couldn't recover them because of the currents.
at least 174 people have been rescued so far, including the captain. in fact, the ship's captain is explaining his decision to delay the evacuation of the sinking ferry. you see him in a hoodie there and handcuffs, but his explanations aren't satisfying prosecutors who have already thrown five charges at him, charges that could land him in prison from anywhere from five years to life. cnn's kim lau has more. >> reporter: the captain answering the questions of desperate family members, why would you order passengers to stay on a sinking ship? "the current was very high and the water temperature was cold, and if you had not worn a life jacket, or even if you had worn one, if you got off the boat with no judgment, you would have been swept very far away," he says. the captain is handcuffed, arrested today on five different charges, including abandoning ship and causing bodily injury resulting in death, according to
south korean news agencies. in this newly released video, you can see the captain right after he was rescued from his own sinking ship, while hundreds of others were left behind. in the eyes of many here in south korea, he's public enemy number one. prosecutors today revealed the captain wasn't on the bridge when the boat began to sink, but still hold him responsible for, quote, failing to slow down while sailing the narrow route and making the turn excessively. also released today, radio traffic between the ferry and authorities. the first sign of distress came in at 8:55 a.m. local time. now all that remains of the ferry above the surface are buoys marking its position. new footage from inside the doomed ferry continues to surface. in this survivor's video, the
ship is already at an extreme angle as passengers clamored to high ground, others brace themselves inside as they were instructed by the crew. it's unclear if these people made it out alive. one man who did make it out alive couldn't bear the reality in the end. in a wooded area near where distraught relatives are camped out, police say the vice principal of the school where these kids attended hung himself. in his suicide note, police say he took responsibility for the loss of life and asked for his ashes to be placed over the site. his suicide has heightened fears that relatives of the missing might soon do the same. "i want to jump into the sea," she says, "thinking about my child in the sea, how can i as a parent eat or drink? i hate myself for this." >> man, so many questions about what will happen to the captain and what lies ahead for the
families of the victims. jim walker is a maritime lawyer. joining us now from miami. good to see you. so you've represented a ship crew and passengers before. the captain is facing charges like negligence and abandoning ship. as more bodies are found, will more charges be added? >> i don't think so. i mean, essentially, he's been arrested for doing two major criminal acts, engaging in man slaughter. it is his responsibility to look after these passengers and the crew. he is responsible under the international maritime regulations, the safety of life at sea regulations, to oversee the safe evacuation of the passengers. he clearly didn't do that. one of 47 lifeboats were deployed. he was in the first one. so that's a major charge, and, of course, abandoning ship. it's the first and foremost duty of a captain. so i think the charges are there, we're going to see a lot
more evidence coming out in the next few days. >> so specifically, those five charges, abandoning ship, negligence causing bodily injury, not seeking rescue from other ships, and violating seaman's law, you're talking about the manslaughter is under the violating of seaman's law? >> manslaughter is under the failure to use reasonable care resulting in death. injuries, as well, to some of the passengers. these are the same charges in essence that were levelled against the costa concordia captain. manslaughter, abandoning ship, when he, too, left the ship prematurely. >> isn't it amazing that the parallel, the captain of the costa concordia, did the same thing as this ship's captain. it would seem it's an assumed responsibility, any ship captain, anyone knows around the world, are you responsible for the care of all those on board, and you go down with the ship if it comes to that. >> yeah, the duty of a captain in this circumstance goes way back past moby dick, back to the
laws of oleron, literally a thousand years ago. this is a particularly sad case. it's not just sad and tragic for the parents, but many, many years ago i was a history student at duke. and you would think that the industry could learn a basic lesson. there are basic lessons from the costa concordia. you have to look after the passenger. it's your obligation. you can't abandon ship. and to see this happening in this circumstance reflects, i think, poorly on this -- not only this captain -- i mean, he has his hoodie on, looking down, he's disgraced. but the issues are broader and deeper than just pointing the finger at one person. you have to look at the ferry company itself, the marine company, what was their training, what was their safety culture, were there lifeboat drills, were there muster drills?
were these children -- >> and that's generally what happened -- that generally would happen before a ship were to set sail, right? >> right. >> some kind of drill, so everyone knows what to do. the captain said he was in his bedroom, and he didn't order the evacuation because he feared without some kind of rescue boats, some of the passengers in their life vests would drift away. so how do prosecutors use that to their advantage, or perhaps even in his defense, he expressed the sense of helplessness at that moment. is that a valid defense in maritime law? >> no, that sounds like gobbledygook to me. that sounds like a pitiful excuse. i mean, let's face it. he's the first one in the boat. he is out of there. he is bailing. it's like a captain of the airplane opening the door and jumping out with a parachute. it doesn't matter what he says at this point. it's his obligation. this obligation is centuries old. he failed to do the most basic steps to protect children, for goodness sake. >> yeah. >> so he's going to go to jail.
it's just a sad case to see this happening time and time ben. >> yeah. five years to life is what he faces. this is a horrible situation, tragedy there in south korea. thank you so much, jim walker. appreciate that from miami. >> thank you. crews scouring the bottom of the indian ocean with an underwater drone may get even more high-tech help for their search. next, the powerful tool that can do things the bluefin-21 can't. all stations come over to mission a for a final go.
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completed six dives to the depths of the indian ocean, but so far, no sign of debris or wreckage. it turns out there's another underwater robot that can go even deeper than the bluefin. our rosa flores has details. >> reporter: in world war ii-era plane crashed off the coast of massachusetts in 1947. for more than 50 years, it remained lost on the bottom of the ocean. over a decade ago, an auv, an autonomous underwater vehicle, discovered the missing plane. >> coming up. having the right tool is always the best case that you're looking for. >> reporter: hydroid makes the remus family of auvs. it's the 600, a larger auv, the 6000, found air france flight 447 in 2011. mike mulrooney was the senior
technician. >> we were helping people answer questions about what happened to that flight. >> reporter: so if the bluefin-21, currently being used in the search for malaysia flight 370 can't find the missing jet, searchers could call upon the rema 6000. it can navigate in waters almost 5,000 feet deeper than the bluefin-21. >> it will be able to be operated in most of the world's oceans. >> reporter: when searchers asked for the auv, the navy said the bluefin-21 was the only deep-water vehicle it had available. after the remus auvs use side-scan sonar to map the ocean floor, they usually come back with what's called low-frequency images. these are pictures it took of the submerged plane in massachusetts. >> and this shows up as different from the surrounding area indicating that there's something on the bottom for us to go look at. >> reporter: but take a look at these images taken at a higher
frequency. >> can you clearly see the body of the plane, the two wings. >> reporter: here's what it looked like in its glory days. these auvs also have still camera and video capabilities, giving investigators perspective and a better picture of the bottom of the ocean. rosa flores, cnn, cape cod, massachusetts. >> all right. could more bluefins be added to the search effort, or possibly other robots like the remus 6000, and what kind of impact would that have? let's bring back sylvia earle, aviation analyst jeff weiss and peter goelz. jeff, transport authorities are saying they may expand the search area significantly. so if that's the case, what other tools would be needed? >> well, you know, they're talking about really kind of going back to first principles and saying, okay, where do we
look, what tools do we use to look? it's going to be a big question, because really so much political capital really committed to saying, "we are very confident that we found the black box pingers, that we're about to locate the wreckage," they really set themselves up -- >> that was about a week and a half ago when they expressed that kind of confidence, and now not so much. >> and now we're seeing that fade away, and hearing language about reassessing. so basically, what we're saying is, we have to reassess before we can really talk about what kind of tools to use, because we really don't know what kind of search -- i mean, if we go back to first principles, we don't know that we'll be looking on the ocean bed even. >> right. and i wonder, especially with the newer information that, you know, came out about whether indeed these electronic locator transmitters -- there are four of them on this plane designed to signal to a satellite upon impact, and apparently that
never happened. and so, peter, with that kind of information and that coupled with reassessing, what is really happening to this investigation, the search for the plane? >> well, i think if i were running the investigation, one of of the things i'd do right now is reconvene -- or convene a group of a fresh set of eyes. new mathematicians. new satellite experts. new radar experts. have them sit down with the raw data, have them intensively review it, and see if they come up with the same solutions. see if they pinpoint the same area. because if we're now scanning what will be 300 to 400 square miles of the ocean bottom and have found nothing, as jeff said, first principles. are we looking in the right place? >> is it your hope that some of that was still taking place, even though it may not have been widely reported every minutia,
you know, of these investigations, but wouldn't you think that there is a review taking place of the satellite imagery, all of that, you know, simultaneously, but the problem is still nothing is pinpointing the whereabouts of this plane? >> well, i've been involved in very complex investigations, and investigators are humans. they get an investment in the theory. they get an investment in a solution. we need fresh eyes. if they're looking at reassessing in the next five to seven days, what it means is this hasn't worked out. >> mm, so sylvia, are you in agreement, fresh eyes, fresh tools even? >> it does make sense. the idea that they found the location and thought that they were zeroing in on right where the plane was, well it did make sense to bring the bluefin or remus to get refined information about this part of the indian
ocean. given that it's now an open question, is this the right place, it does take a reassessment. >> and it sounds like, jeff, you're not so convinced that that search area should be concentrated under water, period, that really going back to the beginning means even reconsidering whether this plane may have made an impact or landed or ended up on land somewhere? >> i mean, i would say -- i mean, i think it's absolutely a fantastic idea to bring in some fresh eyeballs, some fresh brains. you know, air france 447 was a very different search, obviously. but, also, there was a similar dynamic that occurred where a model was developed, a probability matrix was generated, a certain area of the ocean was searched, and it came up empty. and so, a new set of people were brought in and brought in some new ideas, and very quickly it turned out that they were able to find the plane within less than a week, actually. >> wow. >> so i think the idea -- all we
really have at this point is the analysis that inmarsat carried out on this data that it received, and nobody -- i have a piece up on slate.com just yesterday, actually, pointing out that nobody knows what this analysis was about, how it was carried out. and so, maybe it's valid, maybe it's not. we really just have their word for it. and even very intelligent people can make mistakes or jump to the incorrect conclusions. so i think it's a fantastic idea to bring in a new set of ideas. >> all right, jeff, peter, sylvia, thank you to all of you. our panel will be back later on to talk about the search for missing flight 370. and when we come back, anthony bourdain takes a culinary gamble in sin city. did he end up a winner? find out next. i'm beth...
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find survivors and the captain facing charges that could land him in prison for life. plus, an underwater drone is scanning the ocean floor in search of flight 370. but why haven't we spotted any debris from the missing airliner? new details on that. and the latest on today's deadly drone attack in yemen that killed 12 suspected al qaeda militants. the underwater drone searching for flight 370 could be done with its work within a week. that's sooner than many experts had predicted. it is currently scanning the ocean floor in the designated search zone. officials say the blue fin 21 has captured clear and sharp images of territory that had been uncharted, until now. still, it has not found any trace of the plane. the transport minister says the
next two days could be crucial in the hunt for the jet that vanished six weeks ago with 239 people on board. today, 11 military planes and 12 ships are scouring a search zone that's been narrowed dramatically. searchers are expected to cover about 20,000 square miles today, but they are still contending with rough weather as rain moves into the southern indian ocean. so what is next for the search operation? let's bring inn erin mclaughlin. they say they could be done with the search drone in a week. seems quicker than expected. what's happening? >> reporter: hi, fredricka. authorities have focused in on a particular search area. about a three mile radius around the place they made that second acoustic detection by the american operated locator.
it was the strongest signal they detected. they decided to begin the search there. six dives in by my math, they covered about 42% of that area. australian authorities expect within the next five to seven days to search the rest. it is a really critical area. that's where they believe is the most likely place they will find the black box, the acting malaysian transport minister saying how critical this was. says he is in discussion with australian authorities about possible next steps if the next five to seven days doesn't lead to signs of the missing flight 370. fredricka? >> erin, what if they find nothing? >> reporter: well, as they said, that's something that authorities are currently discussing. they're going to stop and sort of reassess the situation. one of the things that has been talked about is the possibility of broadening out the search area, the acting malaysian transport minister tweeting
earlier in the week they're considering the possibility of more underwater submersibles to cover a broader search area. but again, we have another five to seven days of the critical area they're looking in now. at the moment, we understand they're currently in the midst of dive seven. we understand the blue fin 21 is still in the water. people here are waiting, watching, hoping, praying that it finds something, fredricka. >> erin mclaughlin, thanks so much in perth, australia. the transport minister and australian minister both say it is time to reassess the search. we have a aviation analyst, jeff wise, cnn aviation analyst and author of "extreme fear." sylvia pearl in residence national geographic society. let's continue with the conversation earlier. it sounds like all of you are in agreement that it means going back and reviewing a lot of the
information, all of the data in this whole reassessment. it means trying to figure out what are the best tools. it means looking again if they're looking in the right place. so jeff, to you first. if there's a way in which to i guess use this current as much as a springboard, what at least has been gained from the way in which the search has been conducted so that they can figure out where to go from here? >> well, i think really a lot has been accomplished in the last -- we're in the sixth week now, over more than $30 million has been spent. >> what are the accomplishments? >> well, basically to eliminate where it is not because we've searched on the surface, it is a huge area of the southern indian ocean, found nothing. as time goes by, if the plane did crash in the ocean, you would expect to find a significant amount of debris floating there. at first it would be very tightly clustered together on the surface. as time goes by, it would spread across a wider and wider search
of ocean. that makes it less useful for locating wreckage on the bottom but increases the chances that something will be found. remember, the indian ocean is a busy ocean. crossed by all kinds of shipping and fishing traffic. so you would expect in time that if the plane did crash in the southern ocean, some debris should be found, should turn up. >> sylvia, you're in agreement that eliminating where it is not, at least that's one of the accomplishments here? >> absolutely. that's how the titanic ultimately was found. a lot of searching over a long period of time to eliminate places where the ship was not. in this case, there's so much debris already out in the ocean, false leads if you will, just an idea of how much junk is in the ocean, but no evidence from the surface of airplane debris. now, to look at the bottom,
bringing other equipment, whether it is ships with built in sonar or ships with toad or autonomous vehicles to widen the search area, if the reason that it is effective to use blue fin or the ream is or a handful of autonomous systems is that they have precise imaging capability. the kind of sonar readings you get from the surface or from most mapping sonars. the resolution is relatively coarse. and what you need is something with fine resolution to actually locate, once you defined the search area, but we haven't apparently really defined the search area. >> you're suggesting time for a new team, fresh eyes to look at
the data already collected, but then if indeed that ends up being the best course of action, this data, is any of it outdated, been destroyed in the process, compromised, if it means revisiting some of this data? >> no, i don't think so. i think they have to commit to sharing absolutely everything they have. and what's probably most important is to go back and look at the work that was done that was based on so-called hand shakes with the aircraft while it was in the air, to make sure that the arc, the two arches that were established, that those are in fact the arcs and area we need to look at, that it was accurate. pretty tough math as i understand it, certainly beyond my capability, but i think we need to assess again fresh, in a fresh way, are we looking in the
right area. >> thank you so much. stay with us. i want to bring back the panel. we're going to talk more about the investigation. how far back do these possible teams with fresh eyes go in revisiting the investigation and advancing it, hopefully consequently. thanks so much to all of you. a drone takes out a dozen suspected al qaeda militants. how big of an impact might that have on the terror network? that's next. and living with guilt after surviving a disaster like the ferry catastrophe. we will take a closer look at the psychological trauma that can linger for years. when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert. that would be my daughter --
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the defense ministry. a u.s. source in the region says it was aimed at three well known operatives linked to a training camp. cnn national security analyst peter bergen joining me live from washington. peter, in your interview, how significant might this be? >> it is one of eight strikes this year. it is part of a pattern of u.s. government actions against al qaeda in the peninsula, a group they find the most threatening to american interests. one strike doesn't equal a campaign, but this is part of a campaign that has been going on since president obama assumed office. there have been 91 drone strikes so far under president obama and 15 other kinds of cruise missile strikes. so more than 100 taken together. this has cost the group quite
dearly, also there are civilian casualties as there was in the strike reported this morning. >> in your view does this cripple al qaeda in a big way? >> reporter: i think it certainly greatly hampers their ability to do business. more than 30 leaders have been killed in drone strikes, including of course the american cleric, the operational commander of the group when it came to american targets, so yeah. cripple, certainly it really impedes ability to do business. doesn't put them out of business, no single strike does. >> do you see that this strike is in any way connected to that new video or at least the recent video that was publicized? >> reporter: you know, i don't think i know the answer to that. it is likely to be a coincide e coincidence. the video was taped last month. the strike happened in a different area than where the videotape is believed to have happened, there may well be no connection at all.
>> how did you interpret that video? >> reporter: well, i found it very surprising. when you have more than 100 members of al qaeda greeting two top leaders of the group and seemingly doing it with impunity and not worried about drone strikes, the videotape speaks for itself. was that group under surveillance at the time by the cia? did they miss this meeting? did they miss the shot for some reason? we don't know the answers to that, but it is surprising they were able to assemble this large a group of fighters and two top leaders of the group and feel they could get away with it. >> is it your feeling that yemen, its government described as being very porous, not very strong, that al qaeda has found a place in which to restructure and even strengthen? >> reporter: yemen is the poorest country in the arab world, running out of water and running out of whatever oil it used to have. three different civil wars going
on. it is a perfect place for a group like al qaeda to position itself relying on ungoverned spaces where it can basically impose its will and operate with some degree of impunity. yeah, yemen and of course it is an arab country and al qaeda is largely an arab organization. so for all those reasons, al qaeda has found it a somewhat hospitable environment, fredricka. >> peter bergen, thanks so much. troops are on the move at the ukraine border. what happened to the international peace deal? the latest on the crisis in ukraine next. ♪ [ female announcer ] f provokes lust. ♪ it elicits pride...
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despite a new deal concerning ukraine, tensions there are still heating up. today, people in eastern ukraine awoke to thousands of russian troops near their border. ukrainian troops are there, the deal was signed to ease tensions and avert civil war. so far, prorussian separatists rejected calls for them to leave the public buildings they occupied in towns and cities across eastern ukraine and lay down their arms, and russia's vladimir putin refused to recall his troops. russia says they are there due
to political instability. let's get more perspective on all of this. an analyst for the foreign policy initiative joins us from washington. good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> does the fact that the pro-russian protesters are not complying with the deal show russia doesn't have as much control over the situation as some thought? >> it is difficult to say. i think one thing important to note is that the way this document was signed does give russia plausible deniability. the separatist protesters in eastern ukraine, you know, russia says it is not controlling them, and the ukrainian government says it does and many governments in the west. it is difficult to say. my sense of this matter is that russia does have some control over what's going on there and could in fact really tell these guys to stand down. >> if russia didn't have control, why would it sign the agreement? >> well, remember, if you look
at the actual agreement, it doesn't really say specifically who is going to leave what buildings. it is just more of a general call for the buildings to be set free, for the militias to disarm. there's really no specifics in the set of the agreement that says who is going to do what. and now the problem is that neither side is willing to be the first one to make a move. >> what can or should be done at this juncture, if russia, vladimir putin, is calling the white house, saying we need assistance, or there's some open dialogue about the situation here, why would vladimir putin not be able to feel like he has the power to ask pro-russian troops to lay down their arms? >> i think he does feel as though he has the power to do that. the question to me is whether or not he actually does want to do that. i think it is very interesting, if you look at what's going to happen in ukraine in the next
month or so, they have presidential elections scheduled for may 25th. one of vladimir putin's major goals is to make sure ukraine stays in the russian sphere of influence. if he needs to do that by destabilizing ukraine, by making sure presidential elections don't happen or are very difficult or are not recognized by a part of the population in ukraine, i think he is perfectly willing to do so. >> secretary of state john kerry weighed in saying russia could face further costs if the situation does de-escalate as laid out in the agreement. obama says he is skeptical about the situation. does the u.s. trust anything that putin says? should there be trust? >> you know, i think it goes back to, you know, the old saying, trust but verify. we should give these things a chance and i think we've shown that we're very willing to give agreements like this, and give didplomacy a chance. if the russians, if all sides
don't follow through on the agreement, no what thor what denials they issue, i think it is incumbent on the united states to stand up for friends and allies in ukraine. if that means additional punishments on the russian government, that's something we should consider. >> additional punishments like what? >> we could be talking about additional sanctions, whether or not on more members of vladimir putin's inner circle, we could be talking about increased sanctions on russian owned state corporations. some of their major corporations are very important in oil, in natural gas, in the energy sector. we could, in fact, place restrictions on those companies and their abilities to do business abroad. a strong step to take. >> does it seem there's leverage that comes with that, with the notion of increased sanctions? >> i think the problem really is getting the west, europe and the united states all on the same page. a lot of european countries are really tied to russian oil and gas and feel as though that's
not something that they can do because it will hurt their economies so much. so whether or not there actually is political will in the west to do that, and whether or not the obama administration judges it is a wise move i think is a completely different question. >> all right. thank you so much, hanna thoburn. appreciate that. we will continue with this discussion. many ways to look at it. the deal putting russia's relationships with us and the european union on the line, so far no one backed down from criticism to threats. secretary kerry promising further action if russia doesn't comply as we just discussed. and russia hitting back saying russia should not be treated like a school girl with a list of things to do. i want to bring in now aniece a no way, senior political correspondent and host of in the now at rt global news network in moscow. good to see you, anisa. many in the international community think they know putin. he is described as unhinged, out
of touch, like a bored kid in the back of the classroom. that he is trying to build a russian empire. is all of this accurate? how would you best describe him and his motivation? >> i think certainly at least in this part of the world and most of the world, people are used to the u.s. doing that, it comes as no surprise in terms of punishment, how russia needs to be punished, how putin needs to be punished. it is a great example of how the blame is trying to be put on russia when if you look at how this all began, it was the u.s. who helped this peaceful protest that was in fact peaceful beginning back in kiev earlier this year, even before this year, that turned into a violent armed protest. >> in what way.
>> and traveling to -- >> in what way was the u.s. encouraging or helping in that? >> the u.s. invested billions of dollars since the early '90s into -- they call it spreading democracy -- in countries that surround russia's border. they have done it in georgia and ukraine. it is an old policy. goes back to the colored revolutions ten years ago, it was a failed policy then and it is a failed policy now, and it is certainly not the way out. i think your guest was speaking earlier and she mentioned that both sides need to cooperate here, can't just be that the protesters in eastern ukraine have to lay down their arms, but the buildings occupied and tanks from kiev can keep going on. >> so you're seeing, you're drawing the parallel that there is i guess a double standard here, the u.s. was to encourage the peaceful protest, now that there are weapons involved, there's violence, there are threats, now you're saying the u.s. is back pedaling from that
and placing blame as opposed to taking responsibility? >> i don't know if it is necessarily back pedaling. i think there's a policy of double standards coming out of washington where you have them supporting an illegal government in kiev and trying to put all the blame on russia for the protests happening in eastern ukraine. russia needs a stable ukraine. russia is owed billions of dollars by ukraine in terms of the gas debt. again, the u.s. has invested billions of dollars into spreading democracy in ukraine. i think the question we should be asking is who benefits really from instability in ukraine, keeping in mind it is halfway across the world from the united states, and right on russia's border. >> isn't the answer, doesn't the international community believe it is russia or putin who ultimately benefits and that's what this is all about? because it would be he that would come into stabilize.
>> that's right. he does believe that. it doesn't mean it is necessarily true. if you open up the dialogue more and debate and delve into the situation, you'll find russia truly does need a stable ukraine. it certainly doesn't need it to not have a government that can provide security for all its citizens, not just those in western ukraine, but in eastern ukraine as well, and russia, putin has said just this week that the only way forward is to lay down arms. you have the united states agreeing, but again, demanding only the protesters in eastern ukraine put down their arms. and it is just not going to work. >> do you have a better understanding who the pro-russia militants or protesters are given there are no markings on the uniforms or on clothing, masks that are being worn? >> to be fair, it is really difficult for me to say because i haven't been on the ground. but i think we need to be careful about the implications that are coming in.
so you have the united states saying they're absolutely sure that these are russian military. you have russia saying that they have nothing to do with russia, they themselves say they're ukrainians, they have ukraine passports. they are former military men, there's no doubt in that because of their coordinations, a lot of them probably fought in afghanistan. that doesn't necessarily make them russian or have ties to russia. and i think the u.s. needs to listen more to some of its colleagues in europe. you have the head of the eu intelligence this week saying he doesn't believe that they're russian. and i think if the u.s. opens up and listens to some of the dialogue that's happening in europe that they might find that blaming russia is not going to be a way out of the solution. >> complex, complicated conflict. thank you so much. i appreciate that. also complicated, the search
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the next phase in the search for malaysia flight 370 could come soon. the bluefin 21 underwater drone scanning the sea floor looks like it could complete its work in a week. also, both australia and malaysia official are saying they will have to regroup search operations. 11 planes and 12 ships are scouring the search zone. while the search goes on, the longer term operation may be shifting into a different phase. malaysia acting transport minister says the search will continue through the weekend, but he says if nothing is found,
officials will have to rethink their strategy. listen to what our analyst cold kate bolduan about that. >> what he is saying here in my opinion is that he's reached the end, that will be the end of the searches. if they don't reach something within a week, they will have said we heard the pings, we looked where the pings were and didn't find anything. when he says regroup, that's the question. how far do you regroup? do you go back to the data and pings and say perhaps it wasn't 370. it just says there's something going across there. at what point do you say how far do you regroup to. i recommend going back to white sheep planning. that says we reconsider every assumption we made, not just go back backwards. if you make an assumption early on in strategy. >> set you on the wrong path. >> it can set you on the wrong path. this didn't work, let's go
backward and accept the rest of it, still might be on the wrong path. my suggestion is to go all the way back, i am not second guessing them, i am not there, i don't have all of the information, but white sheet to planning would be good to reevaluate everything. >> lots of ways of looking at this. let's bring back the panel. sylvia earle, oceanographer with national geographic society. jeff wise, cnn aviation analyst and science writer. peter goelz, cnn aviation analyst and former director of ntsb. jeff, i begin with you. you heard your colleague, david, talking about the white sheet planning and going as far back as that. are you in agreement? >> absolutely. i think we've all been trying to say something similar, although we're using different words. what we're all really saying is you have to go back to stop, in
a way we've gotten in the habit of looking at this particular spot. we've gotten in the habit of thinking this is normal, this is probably the most likely outcome. assume it is here. we need to stop, reverse, undo that mental process of taking for granted it must be here in this area. as i said earlier, we've got a lot of data about where it isn't. every time we search and don't find wreckage in the indian ocean, that increases the probability it is not in the southern indian ocean. >> so peter, does it mean going as far back as re-evaluating in marsat, that data helped direct searchers to the place they are knew? >> you have to go back and question all of the assumptions and need to do it with a fresh set of eyes. people say here is the challenge. we're looking at it for the first time. what do we need to do and what
does it tell us? if we don't do that, i think we're ready for a very, very long -- >> might it mean the data is flawed? even if you bring in a fresh set of eyes, if you don't have the right materials in which to evaluate, that doesn't necessarily, you know, increase the probability of more specific points here. >> right. the data is not so much flawed as incomplete. we have a whole lot of assumptions going on. and we've got very little hard data from the primary radar tracks which may or may not be flight 370 to the suppositions that it was flying at x altitude, at x speed. we have a lot of open space here and very few data points. >> sylvia, it seems like the experts have done the best that they have been able to do with the information they've had.
if you have the same information but you have a new team, new set of eyes, i mean, should there be great expectations that the outcome is going to be any different? >> well, if in fact the pings that have been detected did come from the airplane, there is a chance that it might still be found in the next few days. >> so you have a big if. you're not sure about the pings. >> that's right. but if not, then it's logical that you go back and reassess the assumptions and really starting from scratch. >> there was so much certainty, just a week ago we heard australian officials feeling so confident, saying these pings are the best we've ever had. now there's a lot of silence coming from some of the same officials, and hearing you and your colleagues here say if, and not so certain, and maybe it was false positives coming from the
pings, there really is very little confidence here. >> but once a location is determined, there is equipment out there that can be brought into the scene, both to refine the search area and recover what's there, if they can zero in on the place. >> and peter? have you lost confidence? >> not at all. i haven't lost confidence. this has been a perplexing and challenging event from day one. but if you had been involved in these kinds of searches before, i think people would have been a little more moderate in expectations. open ocean search really is hard. when you're dealing with the four pings, one of the pings was 17 miles out, which was an outlier from the other three, and not at the correct level of
megahertz. so i think statements could have been tempered. >> all right. so jeff, maybe that's one of the lessons learned, too. jeff, did you feel a sense of confidence even a week, week and a half ago, and it simply diminished? or do you agree with peter maybe there was expression of overconfidence, too soon, was premature? >> i think i might state it stronger than peter did. i was baffled a week ago that authorities were making such strong statements, given the perplexing consistency of the data, and you know, listen, for me it is just perplexing, for my fellow analysts, we had hopes this mystery would be resolved soon. think about the families. think about being told your loved one is dead, that their final resting place is about to be discovered. i mean, the emotions that must have been -- just the turmoil they had to go through is i think -- it should not have been done. i think it is really a problem.
and i think there needs to be some reassessment at a political level in australia and malaysia that this kind of language was used. >> jeff wise, peter goelz, sylvia earle, appreciate it. >> thank you. deepwater submarines may or may not help solve the mystery of mh 370. martin savidge found out using manned subs can be pretty challenging. >> one of the challenges, whether it is an rov, a submersible, whether it is autonomous, the careful action of retrieving whatever went under the water looking for wreckage there on the airliner is critical. we're going to show it to you live coming up in just a minute. when jake and i first set out on our own,
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if search crews and wreckage from flight 370 do indeed find anything, they're expected to deploy deepwater submarines to the ocean. getting those subs back to the surface can be a difficult operation. cnn's martin savidge went 50 feet underwater in a submarine for a look at how it happens. >> reporter: i can feel them
lean to one side. >> the swimmers, divers getting on board on top of the sub, which are floating on the water. he is looking up the crane line to the sub. in a few seconds we are lifting the sub clear out of the water, get a chance to see how the recovery is done. as you point out, no matter what vehicle you use, the recovery phase is as important. >> reporter: a vehicle could have been down there for hours, 15 hours. getting back to the surface, it is something that has to be dug carefully because you don't want to damage any piece of equipment. you need it again. >> the big thing about it, when you start down, you are in control of the weather. you don't dive if weather conditions are rough. but after you have been on the bottom for 10 or 11 hours, you may have a very stormy condition on the surface. so very often in recovery, it is for more onerous than the
launch. >> jeff, are we coming up now? let's go. let's lift us up, please. it is a pretty cool view, i got to say, fredricka, as you rise from the water, and all begins to get revealed here. and look at that view. i mean, this is british columbia, horseshoe bay, but this is absolutely gorgeous. i have to say when you have been down below, maybe a little welcoming as well. >> every time. so now what happens? >> take us up higher than the deck of the recovery vessel, then swing us over, and put us on the deck. >> assuming a vessel like this has gone through 15 hours down below, what has to be done to prepare for the next journey? >> all systems have to be rechecked to be sure all systems
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families are waiting desperately for news of their loved ones on that ferry. we are going to discuss the impact survivors guilt can have. >> on top of having lost a loved one, there's guilt that somehow you could have done more, even when you couldn't have. it is a natural human reaction. and there are so many stories. let's talk about a couple of them. there was a six-year-old girl whose seven-year-old brother and her mother put on her life jacket, now those two, the mother and brother cannot be found. >> how is she going to deal.
once she comes to terms and realizes her entire family is gone and she's going to remember the moment of when they put that life jacket on her. >> that's true, especially for children. children often think that they are at fault or sort of at the center of something, even when they're not. for a child or an adult, it is going to take a lot of convincing, talking from family, from friends, from professionals if necessary to say you are not at fault. there was nothing you could do. or if you think about a situation where maybe someone was in the boat and managed to get out but was surrounded by people who couldn't get out, you know, they may remember that moment. maybe someone was asking them for help and they couldn't help them. just those moments could haunt them a long time. they need to remember, there was nothing they could have done. they didn't do anything wrong. >> and of course, we're hearing from family members, the parents, those that encouraged their kids to take the trip. there may have been a couple kids that didn't want to take it, and the regret that some of
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that's all there is to it. the northeast, they deserve a nice holiday weekend. you will get it. but the southeast, we're dealing with the rain. atlanta now pretty much overcast. most showers have calmed down. we are looking at quite a bit of rain, especially around north carolina. raleigh getting rain. the outer banks getting the bulk of it. this will hug the coastline going through the next 24 to 48 hours. look at the rain totals as we get close to sunday evening. the outer banks, about three inches of rain. this is additional rainfall to what you've gotten. we are tapering off in atlanta. charlotte could see a quarter to half inch. jacksonville, west palm beach, you start to dry out the next couple hours. here is the big picture. northeast and deep south looking good, even the west coast looking good. we're going to see rain in the plains, could possibly see
severe weather on your easter sunday in west texas. don't let your guard down there. you want to keep updated with that. in the meantime, look at the temperatures. syracuse, 66 sunday. 74 on monday. temperatures are going to be running about 15 degrees above normal. i don't think anyone is complaining about that. boston, you're at 65 monday, the runners will be out there in full force in new york city. your forecast by monday, 64 degrees. here is the boston marathon forecast. 48 degrees is the start time. of course, you'll be warming to the mid-60s, fred. it is going to be a great day for running. couple of clouds out there, that will keep you cool. overall, the northeast, wow, the place to be for easter weekend. >> thank you so much. appreciate that, jennifer. coming up in the next hour of cnn newsroom, the latest on today's drone strike in yemen that killed 12 suspected al qaeda militants. and anguished families face off with officials as bodies are
found aboard the sunken south korean ferry. and a student is suspended for asking miss america to prom. details on that straight ahead. much more ahead on cnn newsroom which begins right now. all right. hello again, i am fredricka whitfield. here are the top stories we're following in the cnn newsroom. a deadly drone attack in yemen killed 12 suspected al qaeda militants. what we're learning this hour. and the death toll rising in the ferry disaster. divers seeing more bodies in the submerged ship but struggling to recover them. meanwhile, the captain faces charges that could land him in jail for life. and can this underwater drone find the missing malaysia airliner? it is scanning the ocean floor now, capturing new images. but is the plane even in the
vicinity? back to our top story. a drone strike targeting al qaeda militants, killing at least 15 people according to yemen officials. officials say 12 were suspected al qaeda members and 3 were civilians. a source in the region says the strike was aimed at three people that are well known al qaeda operatives, but none were in al qaeda's senior leadership. the strike hit a pickup truck in the southwestern portion of yemen. it is not clear who was behind the strike yet, but the u.s. is the only known country to have conducted drone strikes in yemen. so what is the significance of the attack? let's bring in jamie reuben, former u.s. assistant secretary of state and visiting scholar to oxford university. jamie, in your view is this drone strike strategically important? >> well, i think al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is a significant organization that has tried to attack the united states in the past, and we've
seen in recent weeks indications that they are revving up for efforts to strike the united states. i don't think we should exaggerate their capabilities. their capabilities are not like al qaeda was in afghanistan, they're not like the bin laden organization was prior to 9/11. but they do pose risks to the united states in terms of having individuals who are prepared to come to the united states, plan to perhaps put a bomb in a car or get activity on an airplane. so it is very important for the united states and its anti-terrorist allies like the yemeni government and others to stop these people over there so the risks are mitigated. >> isn't it a given the u.s. is behind this drone strike? >> well, i'm not in the government, i don't know. i haven't been briefed on this strike, but i would assume so. certainly we all saw in the last
week or two this evidence that al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is trying to make a name for itself. it looks like that effort has back fired if the united states has responded with this strike. >> you're referring to the video, the most recently released video showing they're very bold about its recruitment, showing they're organized and coming together and not completely in hiding about it. >> well, that's exactly right. any time one of these new offshoots of the original al qaeda tries to get new propaganda value by standing up, putting one of the videos out, i think it is helpful for the world to know and the individuals involved to know that the united states will continue to defend its interests, to act preemptively if necessary against those terrorists, and i think the obama administration has a
generally effective record in counter terrorism. and this looks like another piece in that record. >> what about the cooperation the u.s. is getting from the yemeni government or what is representative of the yemeni government? >> well, that's always complicated. what happens in pakistan and yemen and somali, other countries around the world, is the government's concern, do not want to seem as if they're working directly and closely and hand in glove with the united states. so various mechanisms are found to minimize the public partnership that exists and the way they do that sometimes is by misleading their public as to what they're doing. we saw in the case of some of the cables that were released in the past, the yemeni government was told that the united states is perfectly happy for them to take credit for attacks on
militants, as long as militants are attacked. >> jamie reuben, thanks for your time in new york. the death toll rises to 36 in the horrific ferry disaster. 269 people, many students and teachers, still missing after the ship sank three days ago. they were on a class trip to a resort island when the ship rolled over. divers are desperately trying to find more survivors and made it to the third deck inside the ship and saw bodies, but struggled to recover them because of currents. paula hancocks has more from a boat near the scene. >> reporter: the two large inflatables behind me are the only sign of where the ferry is. more than 6,000 ton ferry is beneath. you wouldn't know it was there if not for the vessels on the water. there are more than 100, ranging from war ships down to small, private fishing vessels. everybody wants to be involved if there's any chance of finding
survivors. two helicopters in the air i saw earlier, four trains, the floatable massive cranes are here as well, but they're not part of the operation at this point. and we know there are divers right now trying to get inside this submerged vessel to see if they can find any survivors at all. one thing we're noticing as well in the past hour, an oil slick on top of the water, and a strong smell of oil in some areas. it is not clear at this point whether this is actually related to the ferry. unfortunately, this afternoon the weather conditions are deteriorating somewhat, which is jeopardizing search and rescue operation. the swell of the sea is bigger than it was a matter of hours ago. now we don't see any divers in the area where the ship is submerged. you see the big inflatables, that's where the ferry is under the water. there's a concern that the search and rescue is being jeopardized this past day by the weather. paula hancocks in the yellow sea of south korea.
>> thanks so much. cnn learned that divers now have indeed started to remove bodies from the ship. it was a problem earlier because of currents. now apparently they're able to remove some of the bodies. again, very painful moment for the families that are waiting nearby. wait for any word of what is to happen from the search. meantime, searchers have been scouring uncharted territory in the southern indian ocean. we will talk about how that's effecting the search. ♪
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all right. it could prove to be a crucial two days in the search for flight 370. searchers say the underwater drone searching for the plane could finish its work within a week. that's sooner than many had expected. the bluefin 21 has been capturing clear, sharp images of the ocean bottom, but has yet to
come up with any trace of the plane. the transport minister says they will likely reassess the search operation, regardless of whether anything is found. today 11 planes and 12 ships are scouring the search zone that has been narrowed dramatically. where will the search operation go from here? erin mclaughlin is in perth, australia. they're saying the bluefin 21 could be done with the search zone in a week, which seems quicker than expected. what's changed? >> reporter: hi, fredricka. no new data points have been introduced into the mix that we know of. what they're doing is searching in the area they believe they'll most likely find the black box. that's based on detailed acoustic analysis, australian officials telling us today of the second ping detected by the towed pinger locator.
lasting about 13 minutes, the strongest of those detected. they're looking in a three mile radius around the point of that detection. the past six dives, they have been able to cover 42% of that area. australian officials today saying they have five to seven days toll before the entire area will be completely searched, and that's given good weather and that bluefin 21 operates as it is supposed to. earlier today we heard from the acting transportation minister from malaysia, who had this to say about the critical nature of the stage of this operation. take a listen. >> the narrowing of the search for today and tomorrow is at a very critical juncture. so i appeal to everybody around the world to pray and pray hard that we find something to work on over the next couple days.
>> reporter: now, a source close to the operation telling cnn that dive seven still under way. the bluefin 21 is in the water, people are watching and hoping and praying that they find something, fredricka? >> all right, erin mclaughlin, thank you so much from perth. let's talk with our panel of experts. jeff wise, fabian cousteau, and tom fuentes. fabian, there's been nothing like this search before. was this expected in your view that the effort would need to be reassessed, reevaluated at this juncture? >> absolutely. i think this is a natural part of the process, and although we could get lucky and find some evidence out there, it is a very large search pattern, and even though it is narrowing, this is a natural part of the
progression. even lack of information and lack of hits is information in and of itself. >> in what way? by eliminating territory? >> by not finding any evidence or any debris, it just gives us a better indication that that may not be the exact place to go search. >> so jeff, you heard that transport minister saying this is a critical juncture and we're just praying, you know, that something will arise and advance this investigation. but what do you read into that quote, unquote critical juncture, meaning something doesn't come about in a manner of days or hours and means starting all over, it means abandoning this effort? what do you read into that? >> i am afraid it would mean abandoning this effort. we've focused all of our attention in the last week or so on the idea that these pings that have been detected must
correspond to the black boxes from flight 370. now the proof is going to be in the pudding. if the sub goes down there, can't find anything, it comes up empty, we've really got nothing else to go on. we have no physical leads of any kind. so we're really left with the whole, you know, eastern hemisphere practically to deal with. and we really don't know. we're going to have to go back, and as we said several times in the last few hours, we have to go back to immarsat data and try to figure out what grounds, if any, do we have for trying to narrow down the vast search area. >> then i wonder, tom, in addition to looking at the immarsat data, we heard erin mclaughlin talk about searching for ping number two. does it mean going back, listening to recordings of the pings, trying to discern if they were false positives, were they
pings, that of black boxes because that certainly could either eliminate or continue to include data. >> right. i think you're right, fredricka. they will probably go back and look at all of the data again, which is something they should do. on the other hand, this acting minister has often made conflicting and unhelpful comments during the course of this investigation, so the fact that he puts this time line of a couple days on it, when all of the other experts and the search leaders in australia have said it could take days and weeks, you know, i don't know. does he know something none of us know or is he just misspeaking and we're overanalyzing what he said and what he said was inaccurate. >> and then i wonder, this latest information that we heard at the end of the day yesterday about the plane climbing 39,000 feet, you know, just short of its safe operating at to do of 41,000 feet, it may have gone
over vietnamese air space, there are a few different things the malaysian authorities revealed or leaked sources to cnn and that this electronic locator transmission of which there are four that send emergency signals to the satellite upon impact, whether it be impact on land or water, and that none of those signals went off. so tom, in the other end of this i guess investigation, and we're talking about this possible criminal investigation in addition to the search investigation, does this just add more credence to the messages coming from the malaysian authorities in your view or is this just the way it goes when you have a mystery of this magnitude? >> no, i think there's been more misinformation in this than you might often see. with regard to the radar, since the first week of this thing, we've had conflicting stories that that plane was at the furthest extent of radar coverage, therefore highly inaccurate and they might not be able to tell within 16,000 feet
what the correct altitude of the aircraft was when it made the turn and shortly after. now all of a sudden -- and previously we were told to believe it went up to 43,000, down to 20 some thousand, later down to 4,000, and i think how do we know any of this is true? because some back channel source says oh, yeah, the radar shows such and such, i don't know if i believe that either. i would like to hear that from real radar technicians who come forward and make an official statement. the government makes an official statement that this is what we know and this is how we know it, this is who said and did the analysis. we haven't had that. we had theories of radar put out for 4 three days. this makes me just as suspicious as prior ones. >> jeff, are these inconsistencies in your view or simply gaping holes in the many investigations here? >> well, you know, the authorities that are conducting investigation don't have to
release information. in fact, they're really not supposed to release information critical to the investigation. so we're getting all these reports coming out through back channels as tom was saying, and they've just proven to be the most conflicting part of the whole story. i'm referring specifically to altitude datas that we're hearing about. so you know, we're hearing 39,000 feet over the peninsula, last week we were hearing and talking 4 to 5,000 feet in a similar area. and we don't really know where the data is coming from. we don't know who is providing this data. it does seem to be conflicting and confusing. and i would point out as well, it doesn't tell us much about the fate of the airliner either. so in a way i am starting to wonder if it is just noise and should not give it too much credence. >> fabian, what do you want to see next in this search investigation? >> well, you know, not being an aviation expert, i certainly wouldn't want to comment too
much on the above the sea level, but i think because of lack of information, because of the disparate facts that folks have to work with, we might have to take a step back and start from the previous point, the anchor point that can be verified, and start reexamining some alternate theories and alternate possibilities. >> fabian cousteau, tom few en 'tis, jeff wise, thank you. what started as a joke turned into a three day suspension. his crime was asking a woman to the prom. it was who he asked and how that got him in hot water.
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all right. lots going on today. so much so that nick valencia is here to assist. >> yeah, we're here, got some headlines. get to them. 24 minutes past the hour. start in ukraine. so much for peace in ukraine, a deal that was brokered is being ignored. thousands of russian troops are near the eastern ukraine border. russia says they're there because of instability. they have dug in in defines of the international deal aimed at resolving the crisis, preventing
all out civil war. separatists are refusing to leave public buildings and calls to lay down arms. a number of fatalities on mount everest rose. search and rescue find the body of another guide. three others still missing after an avalanche struck the highest peak. more than 200 have died in the mountain in the last 100 years. imagine driving at night, seeing this mysterious fireball. this is a meteor like object appearing to streak across northern russia last night. no reports of damage or injury from the blast, completely unfazed. last winter, a meteor exploded over russia injuring more than 1500 people. here is what has producers talking today. a high school senior on three day suspension for asking miss
america to the prom during appearance at his school. he said reportedly she thought it was cute, the school disagreed. the school said it is not our practice to discipline a student for asking. however, it is our practice to set expectations for student behavior. it is a shame the media wants to frame this story to sell papers and make headlines. she was there to talk about importance of science, engineering and math. he was telling his friends he was going to ask miss america to the prom. school administrators got wind of that, said please don't do it. he did it anyway. there comes the suspension. >> that's the behavior. >> you don't get a date with miss america unless you ask. >> i am sure that was the defense. he got in return three day suspension. >> tried calling him awhile ago, maybe we will hear back. >> nice to hear both sides of the story. we got the school's account,
they say he broke the rules. now we want to hear from him. thanks, nick. appreciate that. >> you bet. perhaps you were planning an easter egg hunt in your backyard this weekend. that would be me, i don't think it is going to happen. jennifer gray with maybe an encouraging forecast for some. >> for some in the northeast. come on, they had the worst winter ever. finally getting gorgeous weather for easter weekend. the southeast, a little different story. the rain wrapped up in atlanta. we have live pictures in atlanta, still overcast, but it rained for almost 24 hours straight. finally starting to dry out just a little bit. the grounds will be wet for easter egg hunts, but at least the rain tapered off. not the case for north carolina, south carolina, it is a mess, especially the outer banks. this system will hug the coastline going through the next 24 to 48 hours. we are going to track it for
you. stick around through sunday, and tries to leave us by monday. that's going to be the big stoker for the weekend. could see four inches of rain as we go through the next 24 hours or so. three inches in hatteras. a quarter to half inch in charlotte, atlanta, jacksonville, west palm, you're drying out. easter sunday, watch for possible severe weather across west texas. we could see large hail, damaging winds and possibility of isolated tornadoes. the place to be, deep south, northeast, and the west. we are going to have incredible weather. boston marathon runners monday, 44 degrees starting out, fred, we'll be in the 60s by the afternoon. >> nice. that's feeling good. people will be happy about that. >> they will. >> starts out cool and warms up when they're sweaty and stuff. jennifer gray, thanks so much.
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yemen. a drone strike hit a pickup truck in the southwestern portion of the country, yemeni officials say at least 15 people, including 12 al qaeda suspects were killed. pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins me now on the phone. barbara, what more have you learned about the strike and the specific targets? >> reporter: well, according to officials in the region, the target was specifically a couple of al qaeda militants tied to a training camp in this region in southern yemen. this is a real strong hold in the south for al qaeda in yemen, which is a big concern to the united states. this is a very violent, vicious element of al qaeda that is very capable of attacking outside of yemen for the yemeni government, the people launched a lot of attacks inside that country, they're very destabilizing. so both nations really want to
go after them, and going after them in the south is where they are right now. no indication, fred, that it was any of the top tier, the tier one top leadership of al qaeda in yemen, but it was, we are told, militants that they have been looking at a long time that they have been tracking and that they decided to launch a drone against. several people killed, three civilians were killed, and that's always a big problem for the united states, because the government of yemen is very sensitive to these drone strikes. generally they're carried out by the cia or the pentagon. neither agency officially talking about it today. >> so no confirmation whether the u.s. was involved in that drone strike? >> reporter: i think it is an absolute given that they were. it is only the cia or the pentagon that carries out these
drone strikes over time. that is the only country that knowingly we know of launches drone strikes in yemen. but they're some of the most classified operations out there. very sensitive intelligence, always involved about this group, about its leaders, their locations. so the u.s. doesn't ever really publicly comment on them. behind the scenes, it looks like the united states behind it. >> barbara starr, thanks so much. meantime, malaysian authorities admit things could have been handled better in the search for flight 370. in a minute, what they're trying to do to learn from mistakes. later, we take you in a simulator and show you what it probably looked like as korean ferry began to sink. i'm nathan and i quit smoking with chantix.
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the next phase in the search for malaysia flight 370 could soon come. the bluefin 21 scanning the sea floor looks like it could complete its work within a week. also both australian and malaysian officials are saying they'll likely have to, quote, regroup and reconsider. end quote. search operations end in a few days. today, 11 military planes and 12 ships are scouring the search zone. malaysian authorities are turning the spotlight on themselves in fact these days, trying to figure out just what
went wrong and what they can learn from it. >> reporter: as many remain mystified by the disappearance of flight 370, they look to see what lessons can be learned. the face of the crisis, defense minister and acting transport minister explaining to officials as an exhibition why malaysia was not perhaps prepared to deal with the situation, drawing comparison with the 9/11 attack in the u.s. >> we did not go through the twin tower incident. our ministry of defense was not attacked like pentagon was. future threat, that needs to be addressed and sops that is with the air force might have to be relooked at. >> reporter: what is the current sop, standard operating
procedure, authorities will not reveal, but this may be the closest officials have come to acknowledging mistakes may have been made. malaysia has been criticized for how they handled the crisis early on. sources telling cnn the malaysian air force sent search planes to the south china sea just hours after the airliner was reported missing. but a source says the military did not inform civilian authorities of that western search for at least three days. >> was there a disconnect between the investigating agencies early on? >> like i said, that's not something that we should be discussing right now. >> reporter: malaysian authorities deny there was a discrepancy. the cabinet agreed to allow an international investigation team to evaluate what happened to mh 370. >> history will judge us because we have nothing to hide. with the committees we are
setting up, the malaysian royal air force have nothing to hide. >> reporter: the investigation could take months, even years. the plane has not even been found yet, but the purpose of the international team is not to place blame but determine what went wrong so no other airplane disappears again. >> let's talk about the lessons learned from malaysian flight 370 and what can be done differently in the future. back with me in new york, aviation analyst, jeff wise, ocean explorer, fabian cousteau, and tom fuentes. we talked about authorities going back to square one with the investigation. would that help identify the procedures that need to be changed if there is an incident like this again? >> unfortunately we don't really know what an incident like this is. we know so little about this plane. first we called it a plane
crash, we don't even know it was a crash. there's an assumption it has been lost, but we don't even really know that. so it is difficult to identify, as with air france, the plane we often refer to, before we found the plane, there were changes in the speed indicators that were used. here we can't even do anything like that. >> right. and tom, you know, since we don't know the outcome, we don't know where to pinpoint the mistakes made, i mean, you listed a litany of things that in terms of miscommunication from officials, but you know, where is the starting point on where lessons can be learned? is it in the disseminating of information, is it the identifying where, what may have gone wrong in the investigation? where do you begin here? >> for one thing, fredricka, i go back to something in the most recent piece that the acting transport minister said, which i
think is outrageous. they didn't experience 9/11. they don't know what happened on that event and how to prepare to defend against something like that. what, they don't have cnn in kuala lumpur? that's a ridiculous statement. you learn from what happened to other people around the world. you study events historically, make sure it doesn't happen to you. so to make a statement like that only adds to the multitude of statements that that gentleman has made throughout this case. >> and so fabian, as it pertains to the underwater search, aside from what is or isn't being said, what kind of lesson can be learned, even though we haven't found the plane, you know, under water, what kind of lessons can be learned in terms of what assets to devote to a search of this magnitude? >> well, first of all, if the foundation of the search is unsure, then we can't expect to get any sort of answers from an ocean based search in the first
place simply because that environment has not really been explored to any extent whatsoev whatsoever. we explored less than 5% of oceans to date. it stands to reason that we need to start from a very strong point. in any kind of exploration. and beyond that, of course, we need to be able to have more of these tools at our disposal in the case of tragedies such as this, or in the case of pure exploration in general. >> jeff, do you see that there is a deficiency in tools, just really are not ready for a search like this? >> well, you know, we're still hoping that the submersible will find some wreckage, shouldn't rule that out yet. in the event it doesn't, all we have to go on is the immarsat data, we have pings detected, we have analysis of the pings, and then the assumptions we feed
into the resulting formula that is produced. so that's all we have. and it is very little to go on. so it is a lack of tools is an understatement. >> and fabian, as it pertains to exploring the underseas, we've been talking about all of the unknown in the indian ocean, you are getting ready to embark on a new mission in the florida keys called mission 31. tell us about that and what you are hoping to learn about the floor of the atlantic and where the gulf come together. >> well, mission 31 is exciting because for the first time ever, we're going to be able to take a team to live and work underwater and open up that platform to the general public so that they can come along and be part of this through the advent of social media and the fact that we have wi-fi underwater in our habitat. we'll be able to share in real
time with the world our exploits and exploration as it is happening so that we can immerse people in a conducive environment to learn why the oceans are so important, how much we don't know about them, and how important it is for us to push further, longer and deeper in order for us to be able to find out more about this ocean planet. >> very fascinating. fabian cousteau, tom, jeff wise, thank you. there's more with the korean ferry, what happened and why in a minute. we will take you in a simulator, show you what it might have looked like as that ship took on water. first, this summer, the cnn fit nation triathlon challenge culminates in the big race, malibu, california. cnn chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta is busy training to get ready but still found time
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captain wasn't on the bridge when the ship began to sink. randy kay goes is insi-- randy goes inside a simulator. >> reporter: as the south korean ferry began to lean this is what it looked like and felt like. so at this point with the vessel op its side, people would be falling? >> yes. people would have fallen, be injured. people would be climbing over each other, if they were in a crowded compartment, and there would definitely be great fear and panic. >> reporter: this is a rare glimpse inside a ship simulator in baltimore, maryland. captain donald marcus is showing us what those onboard the ferry in the yellow sea may have been experiencing. this, as the ship started to sink. it's so disorienting? >> certainly at this point. >> reporter: at the ferry took on water, a loud speaker onboard warned passengers to stay where they are. >> translator: don't move. if you move, it is more
dangerous. don't move. >> reporter: this cell phone individual is yo shows people staying in place. those who ignored the warning believe that's why they got out alive. >> kept announcing, about ten times. so kids were forced to stay put. only some of those who moves survived. >> reporter: the captain says that is not standard protocol. passengers should have been moved to upper decks. >> reporter: is there something a passenger should do in a situation like that? >> go to a higher deck, to where you can exit the vessel. generally speaking you're safer on the vessel until you assess, yes, the vessel is going to sink and you need to evacuate, abandon ship. >> a blanket warning are don't move doesn't make sense? >> not to me. >> reporter: alarms like these would have sounded immediately as the ship took on water. they wouldn't indicate whether or not the ferry hit a rock or if there had been an explosion, nor specify where the water was coming in. >> you'd be getting various alarms. doing emergency signals.
be trying to contact various crew to do assessments. >> reporter: investigators believe the ferry likely ran off course due to foggy weather. they say the ship may have made a sharp turn to get back on track. >> the danger is not in overcorrecting. the danger is getting to that point of no return. >> reporter: we can simulate the rescues operation underway here. dealing with heavy rains, high winds, rough seas. you can see the rescue ships out there and choppers above, which are there. looking at these conditions, it's easy to understand why it has been so difficult for the rescuers to get inside that ferry and see if there's anyone there still alive. alive and perhaps in air pockets in the ship, but neither time nor temperature are on their side. randi kaye, cnn, baltimore. and "your money" with christine romans starts right after a short break.
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