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now -- >> how did he do it? he said he hopped a fence at the airport to get tie plane. how could a teen survive flying from california to hawaii in a jumbo jet's will well. it's an almost impossible position. divers swin 100 feet into the icy ocean off the coast of south korea. looking for survivors of that ferry disaster. and once they get there, they can hardly see a thing. and is it time to get back to the hunt for the robotics that has completely searched the underwater area and saw nothing. no trace of that missing jetliner. hello, everyone. great to see you today. i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. it's 11:00 a.m. in the east. >> i'm 5:00 a.m. >> and that means somebody is 8:00 a.m. at least they are in the west. so much more at this hour.
we are getting some new details aboard the chaotic scene aboard that ferry from crew members who were aborted as it sank. >> divers are pulling more victims from that submerged boat. 121 bodies have been recovered so far. >> our will ripley joins us with the very latest from jindo, south korea. good to have you with us, will. tell us what you the crew members are saying. what kind of comments are they making. >> reporter: well, john and michaela, they're speaking out for the first time, talking about what happened when the ship tilted drastically to the right. they believe it was a stabilization issue and also saying it was possible to reach many of the lifeboats. i also need to tell you we just within the last few minutes have confirmed brand-new information. this is from the dive operation happening right now in the
yellow sea. divers, we are told, have successfully reached the cafeteria of the ferry. we are trying for more than a day to reach this cafeteria on the third floor of this ship. this is where many people are believed to be at the time of the disaster. still no word yet on what they are finding in that area. but again, we know this is expecting to be a pretty crowded room with a lot of people trapped inside. that's certainly something that we're closely monitoring in the breaking minutes. >> this is breaking news delivered by will right now. the divers have reached the cafeteria where dozens could be. will, it's been a week since this tragedy took place. do you get the sense that the divers are still holding out hope? are they still calling this a rescue mission and not a recovery effort? >> reporter: they are still calling it a rescue mission and that is significant because every diver that we've spoken
to. at least many that i've personally spoken to, they believe in their hearts there may be some survivors on the ship. there's hoping there's an air pocket. there's a theory that somewhere in the ship there's an air pocket that possibly should be could be alive. you have to think now with cold water, dark conditions, it's almost a week that somebody would have had to have been in there. chances are slim but hopeful. also, another new detail that we've just confirmed in the initial minutes of when this happened the first 911 call that came from the ship came from a voice described as a boy who was very shaken saying that he thought the ship was going to sink. after that initial call came in there were about 20 more phone calls to emergency services from young people. children on board that ship. many of those children are still among the missing that the divers are searching for right now. >> just agonizing, will, to think of those children being so afraid in that emergency.
thanks for giving us those breaking bits of information. big developments, certainly. >> divers have reached the cafeteria in that news from will about the 911 calls coming from the boat. interesting given the confusion of the initial information from the ship. >> how quickly people can pick up their own cell phones. moving to the ongoing developments in the hunt for flight 370. a tropical cyclone jack has caused the air search to be suspended. >> plus, the bluefin 21 is continuing its underwater searches. it's conducting its tenth mission of the wreckage. the first nine turned up anything. erin mclaughlin joins us from perth, australia. erin, we're told that the bluefin 21 is close to completing the search in this initial area. so what's next? >> good morning, john and
michaela, a u.s. navy spokesperson telling cnn that the stakesholders in all of this are currently in the early stages of the next steps. things that have been talked about, probably broadening out the search area. maybe introducing more underwater submersibles into the mix. what they're doing right now, they're searching a six-mile radius around the second ping that was detected on april 8th. it was the strongest of the four signals that was picked up by the american-operated towed pinger locator. some analysts have said well perhaps maybe they should search in the area of the other three pings as well. one of the many things being discussed. that at this point, the focus very much on the task at hand. as you said, the bluefin 21 still in the water as far as we know. still searching for any signs of the black box as of yesterday, it had two-thirds of that area completely covered. another third to go. so that portion of the mission
could wrap up in the next few days. but officials here still saying based on their information, that is the most likely place they're going to find the black box. they want to either be able to rule it in or rule it out. but plans for the next phase are under way. that u.s. navy spokesperson telling us that they're planning for as far out as july. john and michaela. >> and it's amazing to think about that, planning as far out as july, erin. we know that all of this costs money and that's certainly something they're taking into consideration? >> that's absolutely a consideration in all of this. but at the moment, those involved in the search very much focused on the task at hand. given that this current debris search, the aerial search for debris still under way, as well as this underwater search. it's a multinational effort. eight countries taking part. and eight countries so far splitting the bill. if that should continue into the future, well, again, that must be one of the topics currently
up for discussion. michaela and john. >> all right. erin mclaughlin, thanks so much. the latest on the search for flight 370. >> again, not ashred of debris either on or below the water. other headlines making news at this hour. the death-defying flight from california to hawaii. a teenager said he hit in the wheel well of a jumbo jet. sis raising concerns. the tsa is investigation how a 16-year-old scaled the fence at san jose airport without anyone noticing. he told authorities he had run away from home at santa clara. now he's in the care of child welfare services. later this hour, we show you how he could have entered the plane and survived this five-hour flight in the wheel whole. >> a lot of people scratching their heads. just a short time ago, the u.s. supreme court uphold a controversial michigan law that bans the use of racial criteria in college admissions. the vote was 6-2.
this was a law michigan voters approved eight years ago. officials in ann arbor have criticized the ban they say it's tough to have a diversive student body. >> vice president joe biden is in kiev in support of the government. the vice president also had strong words for russia. >> no nation has the right to simply grab land from another nation. no nation has that right, and we will never recognize russia's illegal occupation of crimea. and neither will the world. >> very pointed words to russia. there are reports that pro-russian militants have seized another police station. ukrainian stations show pictures showing trying to provoke trouble in ukraine.
president obama is headed to washington state at this hour he's going to meet with families of those killed a month ago today in that massive landslide. the bodies of 41 people have been recovered. we also know that he'll meet with the emergency workers. those workers worked endlessly to dig through the toxic debris, some 70 feet deep in some places looking for the missing. the president will head across to the pacific to visit four asian nations. a smalltown church deacon turned out to be a murderer who eluded police station for 30 years. joseph louis miller was living in texas under the name of roy eugene ewe bangs, he'd been a leader in his church and receiving social security benefits for more than 20 years. >> basically living in plain sight. >> the short climbing season on mt. everest should be in jeopardy. because hundreds of native sherpa guides who helped them
reach the summit, they're threatening going on strike following that avenue language. in that avalanche, 13 sherpas were kid three are missing and presumed dead. they were preparing a route to the summit when a wall of snow and ice came crashing down.the schepp pa communiticy upset with the nepally government plan to compensate the families. it comes out to $400 a person. >> such fascinating rules and such interesting levels of compensation. there's a lot to talk about there. coming up for us, divers can't see their hands in front of their faces but they do continue to search for the victims of the ferry crash in south korea. ahead at this hour, we'll speak to a diver about the dangerous conditions. also, a 16-year-old said he flew from california to hawaii by getting in the jet's wheel well. how did he survive? we're going to examine how it's
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in south korea, there are so many many family whose lives have been simply devastated by the loss of children in that ferry disaster. it's hard for us to imagine what they're going through. >> our next guess knows what it's like to be in a tragedy like this. bob by skoally led an elite group of divers. i should tell you we just got word a couple minutes ago that divers have now reached the cav teefria of this ferry. this is the room where many children are believed to have
been when that boat sank. my question is, when you're a diver and entering a situation like that, lord know what is they're going to see in that cafeteria. how do you separate the tragedy from your job? >> well, hello, john and michaela, as a mother of elementary school aged children i can't imagine what the parents are going through right now. my heart goes out to them. as a retire d navy diver who ha been on operations similar to this. i know exactly what the divers are going through right now. they're going through a whole variety of emotions. they are out there working so hard because they are trying to get this mission done. they are trying to bring back those victims. those children and other passengers. so that this -- these families can have just a tiny bit of relief.
they'd love to bring back survivors. they would just love for a miracle to happen. but barring that, they want to bring back these victims to the families to give them just a tiny bit. and they're trying not to think about that because they want to work so hard to get the mission done any way that they possibly can and they're doing a fabulous job. >> they are doing a fabulous job and i think we need to pause it and understand also that it's a dangerous job that they're doing. i want to talk to you about it. we know that navy divers are part of many missions. some of them are not this kind of recovery mission. what kind of training are divers given to deal with some of this emotional trauma that they might be experiencing when they're doing a salvage operation like this. >> we have a very robust training program. and i -- i'm pretty sure that the korean navy is the same.
as a matter of fact, i've seen many korean divers who have come through an exchange program where they train with our divers as well. they've had several of them come through our navy dive school in panama city, florida. i've seen a couple officers who came through the same time i went through navy dive school so their training is very similar. we train with the highest level of safety involved in every one of our missions. we have safety measures that go above and beyond what most civilian programs have. because we are always exposed to dangerous environments, whether it be danger due to enemy conditions or dangers due to the environmental conditions. we stress safety above everything else. and so, the operation that's going on right now has all of these safety conditions in mind.
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the families of those missing on flight 370, they cry, they curse, they even beg for answers. they'd gone for what was supposed to be a meeting with malaysian technical experts but the families got nothing. not a thing from this meeting. it was cancelled. >> add into that outrage because today the families are scheduled to meet with malaysian government officials, guess what, no meeting. 9 partner of philip woods spoke to "new day" about the desperate need for answers. >> still trying to put our family members in coffins again.
i mean, there's not the slightest bit of evidence that this flight has even crashed. there's no wreckage. there's no sightings. there's nothing at all that can be deemed to the actual fact. it's only conjecture at this point. and so that's why the family members are trying to go back to square one, to day one, and we want the malaysian government to open up the data which should have been opened up within days of the investigation starting to a third party, independent, yet still confident group who's qualified to assess the data. >> you heard it right there, what the families want is they want access to the raw data. all that they can get their hands on from flight 370. we want to bring in our aviation expert mary schiavo. mary, we lean on you so much for this type of information. thanks for being here. the families are asking for information. they're asking for the data at this point, is there any reason not to give it to them? >> absolutely not. i've reviewed all the 26 questions. they're very thoughtful.
they're extremely intelligent, they're right on point. and there's nothing in the answers that could harm a criminal investigation if they have one ongoing. very good questions. they deserves those answers. >> these people are looking so helpless if. looking at them on the screen, they are grieving.emotion it raw. do they have any recourse at this point? is there any help to be found for them, mary? >> it's really tough, so many of the rights that we're used to in this country and great britain and australia, you know, the aviation nations, come from laws that were passed from years ago, sometimes from team families, witness protection laws and those don't exist in malaysia. china has one but not like ours. but they don't have rights, that's why they're forming their own committees, demanding help. really, that's what they've been
reduced to. the government is not helping them to get the answerses. >> mary, you've been through investigations like this before i think it's confounding to all of us how can officials from malaysia or malaysia airlines get into these situation where is meetings are cancelled. equipment doesn't work. the families don't get the simplest things that they're asking for. it seems basic, not just in terms of pr but the relationship with people that is so crucial right now. >> exactly, it's the yin and the yang and the promises and broken promises to schedule the meetings. this isn't the first time this has happened. and to cancel them and for them to be prepared and not show up and not have the ability to deliver information is very damaging. the relationship is completely broken. i don't think the families will ever trust them and will have repercussions on their investigation. they will have to turn over additional parts of this investigation to other operations such as australia
because they have no credibility with the families. and it's the families that matter. >> you've made a very good point because we've already heard from so many of the people we already spoke to, steve chang who said he has no faith in the malaysian government. he doesn't trust them. some of them are saying conspiracy theory-type phraseology. it's understandable why they have lost trust. mary, thanks for letting us lean on you again. >> and financial implications. ahead at this hour, this is a mystery, a teen from california said he flew from san jose to hawaii by hiding in the plane's wheel well. we are going to take a look at the very place where he says he hitched a ride. i'm j-a-n-e and i have copd.
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a big decision coming down a short time ago from the u.s. premium court. justices voting 6-2 to uphold a controversial michigan law that bans the use of racial cite tear dwra in college admissions. this is a law that michigan votes approved eight years ago. i want to bring in our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin to talk about this. it seems to me what the justices did here is lay out a road map 0 show states how do away with race admissions? >> that's exactly what that he
want to. the real implication of today's decision is that affirmative action is going to be very much part of the political agenda now. because as you say, the voters here effectively overruled the supreme court and said, look, you said we could have affirmative action, but we don't want it. and we're going to ban it. and the supreme court today said that's okay. you can ban affirmative action. so now the question is, what states, what voters, what state legislators will now try to do that in other states? and how will politicians defend and attack affirmative action. >> yeah, it's going to be interesting the ramifications and implications could be quite broad. now, there are some voices among them at the university of michigan in ann arbor have criticized the ban saying look this makes it tough for us to have a diverse student body. what kind of resource do you
think they have? >> well, they, at this point, i think have no recourse at all other than to get the voter admission to change their mind. the supreme court basically agreed with the university of michigan 11 years ago and said, yes, you can have affirmative action because we think those are legitimate goals. but what the supreme court said today, is well, you can have affirmative action, but you don't have to have affirmative action. that if the state wants to overrule the decision of the university, that's up to the state. it's okay for the state to do that. so, as i said, this really returns the issue very much to the political arena and takes the decision away from the academics and the university administrators who have been making those decisions. >> and jeffrey, this is a 6-2 decision with justice steven breyer voting with the majority here. so what does that tell us?
>> well, that is certainly a divergence from the usual pattern we see in this court. very five republican appointees. there are four democratic appointees and usually on very constitutional issues they vote in lockstep. kagan did not participate. and steven breyer did vote with the more conservative members and that's certainly a notable fact about today's decision. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you for being with us. our senior legal analyst laying out the implication of this important case. all right. to a story that has a lot of people scratching their heads. a lot of us are talking about the teenager's death defying flight in the wheel well of a plane from california to hawaii. the teenager said he hid in the wheel well of a jumbo jet. it's certainly raising
questions, keep among them about airport security. >> and the tsa is investigating how this kid scaled a fence at the san jose airport without anyone noticing. there's another question that everyone is asking why could he have gotten up in the wheel well. our gary tuchman shows us. >> reporter: this is southern california aviation airport in victorville in the desert where airlines all over the world bring their planes they're not using anymore. we're going to demonstrate to you how someone would get in the wheel well of an aircraft. this is a boeing 667 that used to be used. this is the door that is closed. but there is a way to sneak into a whole to get into the wheel well and we'll show you how that would start according to experts here. someone who wanted to get in the wheel well would get in one of the two tires. you step on the bars right here. climb all the way to the top right here. and this right here is where an opening would be to climb into the landing gear wheel well. once someone would climb through that hole. they would end up here. i'm going to show you what happens after they climb through the hole.
they get in this area. this is the wheel well area. and we're told there's only really one place to sit where you could possibly survive because when the wheels move in, the two huge wheels, they come right here. there's no room, except for right here if this spot. and this is where the experts say you would have to sit with your knees closed to you. the wheel well would close with two tires right here. this is the only place you could possibly survive. there's nothing stupider in the world to do, but this is where you can do it. >> look at how breathless he is. >> that's how the kid might have done it. assuming he's a spry as gary tuchman, that was very impressive, gary climbing up in there. >> not an easy feat. >> that's how he may have climbed up. the question is now, how he survived. clearly, a lot of people think he cheated death. >> numbers back it up, that's for sure. according to the faa 105
stowaways have made similar attempts since 1947. check out how many survived. only 25. senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joins us right now. good to see you, elizabeth. i think we're all mystified how anybody could survive at 38,000 feet, freezing temperatures. lack of oxygen. he should have suffocated at the very least. >> it just seems amazing he's not in the pressurized cabin. here are the two things going on at 38,000 feet or whatever altitude. number one, a lot less oxygen, right? you're way up so there's a lot l oxygen. our experts tell us in less than a minute he was probably unconscious. and the other thing, the temperatures are low. and that actually works in his favor because his metabolism slows way down. that may be why he was able to
survive. amazingly how did he walk out thereof. the descent is gradual and he regained consciousness or he's young and really lucky. >> he didn't get out of the plane for about an hour. >> he walked out as we say, do we know necessarily he's completely okay or there could be lasting implications. >> no there could be lasting implications, the one that you would would worry about is brain damage. he had no oxygen for hours we don't know what those implications would be. >> would that be something shown right away or over time, elizabeth? >> you know what, it could be both. it would be interesting to know what evaluations he's getting. or over time is he having trouble in school or basic functioning. there's no nih-funded study on this as you can imagine. i hope that they follow him and they see what happens. >> look, let's be honest, too, for a kid to take those lengths
to run away. there's some mitigating factors. hopefully the kid's going to get the help he needs. >> elizabeth cohen, we'll be asking you to go out to the wheel well -- >> that may be up to martin savidge. family members torn apart as dive teams search for victims. now begging for foreiveness. and it vanished without a trace. the search for flight 370 continues. we'll talk about it coming up at this hour.
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agonizing wait hoping against hope that a loved one is still alive. the odds of surviving that ferry disaster one week later certainly are not looking good. >> we know those affected with this tragedy are general grieving. of course, we all do grieve differently. we're talking about -- we have our two guests here to talk about this. jeff gardere is a clinical psychologist and steven is president. and you say there is a relationship between parents and children and that may be affecting this grieving process. >> there's investment of parents over 55% of household income to education. most panrents only have one or two children. it's rapidly industrializing the expense of things and keeping the family smaller. that has made the loss all the greater. >> and that's the hard thing to
swallow when you think about many of these families lost the only child they had. we saw a statement put out by the company that operated the ferry. jeff i want to read it to you, put apology up on its website. here's what it says. let's put that up on the screen. "we pray for the sewol victims who lost their precious lives due to the accident. we prostrate ourselves before the victims' families. and beg for forgiveness." jeff, quite a stark cultural difference here. >> exactly, they're not going to hide behind any legal legalese or anything like that. they're going to come out and say, yes, we feel absolutely guilty. we feel absolutely mortified by what has happened but that is the south korean environment. this is the way that they think. we know that there's a very, very high suicide rate inside
south korea, so we know a lot of these families, for example, some of them will have to be on suicide watch. many of them are in hospitals. hooked up to i.v.s so losing their children is one thing, but just whole idea of failure, of doing the wrong thing, i think this where this company is coming from. that they know that there were murderous action here's by the captain and perhaps by the crew. >> steven, we have to be careful about cultural generations but there was a suicide already here. the vice principal of this school who appears to have killed himself after this incident. he was a survivor there. does that surprise you? >> i think it was tragedy on top of tragedy. he indicated that in the note. very sad indeed. he felt responsibility for the students and it's the loss of what may be 300 lives just seemed to be overwhelming. interesting to note, that president obama will be in south
korea on friday and saturday. he has two teenage daughters. i'm sure his level of empathy on this will be very touching to the korean people. >> and just preceding that, he'll have been in washington state. we know he's going to be there visiting with families that lost loved ones. and people lost in the mudslide. certainly, our president has been doing a lot of comforting to the grieving family. i want to say a big thank you to the two of you. we know this compounds the grief that the families are feeling. thank you, steven, jeff. coming up for us, hundreds of people climb the world's tallest mountain every year. but now after a deadly avalanche the whole short climbing season is in jeopardy. it could be called off. why the people who guide the people to the top are threatening to strike. we will speak with a leader next. salesperson #1: so, again, throwing in the $1,000
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expedition leader who was planning to lead a trip to the summit. he is in kathmandu, which is very, very far away. there's a little bit of a delay here. he joins us by phone. let me first ask this, could you end up having to cancel your planned expedition? >> i think it is possible we might have to cancel our expedition. sherpas are still quite happy to climb and wants our expedition to move forward. but the sherpa community as a whole, their demands have not been adequately responded to by the nepali government and their potential strike means nobody climbs this season. if that is the overall decision, we will certainly respect that. >> we understand that this $400 seems like a drop in the bucket.
we know that many of these men are the only breadwinners in their family and how devastating it could be to their communities. what what you like to see the government do? >> i would like to see the nepali government show more understanding of what an extreme loss this was for the sherp ma community and the families that lost, like you said, the primary breadwinner. in general, the sherpas who work on the mountain, they are well compensated for their risk. and they do understand the risk they take. they have small life insurance policies. some larger than others. but in this case, there's an opportunity for the government to really show that all of their permit fees they collect this season, some of that could go to these individual sherpa families and to the sherpa community as a
whole. it really shows how important this is for the tourist industry and nepal as a country. >> adrian ballinger joining us by phone from kathmandu, thank you so much for being with us. really, you know, the idea of fairness, given how difficult their jobs are. >> think about, if they did cancel the existing ones that were booked, are those sherpas without the money they could have for the season? all those concerns are valid. it will be interesting to see. short break ahead for us here. from air to see, oh, our mart be savage really got a feel for what search crews are feeling when they're looking for malaysian airlines flight 370. martin savidge join us on the set. >> you'll never guess what he >> you'll never guess what he can do next. artburn? when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums.
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we have a very special guest in our fine studio, free at last, cnn's martin savidge. we've seen him take off in a flight simulator. we've seen him do everything in a flight simulator. we've also seen him below the surface of the sea in a sub. it's really been fascinating and crucial. martin's helped us understand what might have happened to flight 370. he's also helped us understand the search effort and the issues these crews are facing. >> martin is now with us to talk about some of these big adventures. i think we were a little concerned they might try to stick you up in the wheel well of a jumbo jet. welcome back, away from the virtual world, welcome to the real world. how are you feeling? we know that last mission was challenging. >> the underwater thing, i did have a bit of a problem with. we can talk about that. all of it was a fascinating experience. especially the time in the cockpit. i mean, it was just -- i learned
so much. i respect so much now the job of pilots and the engineering of safety that is built into these planes. they are remarkably safe. i gather that. >> so you were in that simulator for a while answering some of our questions and viewer questions. what was it like when you were getting these questions? did you always feel like there was an answer you could provide in thatcy la csimulator? >> yes, mitchell was very good about that. he would say, we can do it. some of them were a bit uncomfortable. for instance, fly at 5,000 feet through the himalayas. as a professional pilot, he knows nobody would ever try such a thing. for the purposes of explanation, we did push it sometimes to the limit. but it was great because it was a perfect show and tell and the cockpit to most of us, we all flishgs but we don't know how to fly. and i think that is what was so good, is usually the cockpit is that mystical land. what goes on behind there.
and of course since 9/11, it's become even more so for security reasons. we were able to demonstrate and show you. we could still put it to the test. >> you went to that far away mysterious land, canada, for the simulator. horseshoe bay, british columbia. interesting how the search has become this international effort. there's a lot of people around the world that are really invested in solving this mystery, as evidenced by the technology we've been seeing put into play. >> yeah, you've got it from -- i mean, i have pilots who come up to me all the time. if it's a restaurant, sit down right in front me, come on what do you know, die to talk about it. people who have just been caught up in this around the world. and then there is the technology. to be able to see some of the amazing equipment that is being used to try to solve this case is pretty astounding. and to go under water and sort of -- i said it was equivalent to getting into my washing man.
>> he went to canada and spent the entire time in very confined spaces. let's talk about going under water. this was something that made you a little bit nervous. >> it did. little would be a gross understatement. >> did you think about saying no? >> i think at that point -- i've never said no. i've done a dozen wars, tremendous stores, everything i can think of. i normally am not claustrophobic. i've done summaries on it. but i got into this thing. three seconds later, i literally almost dove out of the hatch, gasping for air. there's all the engineers and camera people and everybody who's worked so hard to set it up to go live and they're all looking at me. and they're all going, he's not going to be able to do it. i'm looking back at them going, that's all right, give me a few seconds. mentally, i'm saying, i'm not going to be able to do this. so it was a lot of mind over matter. i still found it fascinating and i think it was the geeky part of me that so much wanted to do
this. >> the gee whiz, the wow. right. look, martin savidge, we are -- huge fan. he's right here, free to move around the country. >> by the way, your studio is way too big. >> we're thinking of downsizing, putting it under water somewhere. come back and see us soon, okay? >> thank you. >> thanks for joining us. >> "legal view" with ashleigh >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> a 16-year-old survives in the wheel well. how did he get past security on to runway in the first place. divers have just made it into the south korean ferry's cafeteria area. that's where they believe the bulk of the passengers were