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killer or is that something that is made? tomorrow, our coverage of that continues. and right now, anderson cooper has more on the vigil on "ac360" starting right now. good evening, it is the end of the day of mourning at the university of california, santa barbara, thousands coming together at the campus, the soccer stadium and at other campuses around the state. people may not ever know what happened on friday. but that is not so important tonight. that honoring a lost friend's life matters more or supporting a wounded classmate. comforting a neighbor, showing up just to prove that there are far more good people in the world than gunmen. which is why our focus tonight will not be on the one who killed six people before he killed himself friday, it will be on the lives taken. none of that requires saying a
killer's name or showing his face. so we begin tonight with the story of six lives. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ amazing grace. >> reporter: the victims of friday's deadly attack are remembered on the uc santa barbara campus, the community now mourning the six students who lost their lives. wiehong wong was making plans for a summer trip with his family as soon as he was done with the smallest emester. he was 20 years old. good friends, cheng hong and george chen were killed alongside their friend. cheng was a volunteer at a chinese school near san jose and
worked as a teaching assistant for a chinese language course. he was 19 years old. george chen was remembered as gentle, kind and respectful. the neighbors always said he picked up the newspaper for her elderly father. veronika weiss and katherine cooper were sorority sisters. she is described as wise beyond her years, an athlete with a big heart. >> she was kind, she was the person who would reach out to the kids who were not the popular kids, some of the nerdy kids. >> veronika was 19 years old. katherine cooper started art history and archaeology.
she was a dancer, katherine was 22 years old. christopher martinez was the last killed, an only son and wanted to become a lawyer like his parents. his father said he was an avid reader from a young age, articulate, determined and? just a wonderful kid. christopher martinez was 20 years old. his father speaks out because he can't bear to lose one chance to tell the world about his son, and prevent the next person from having this happen. joining me right now is kyung lah. >> reporter: it is very important to know, anderson, that this entire rampage, when the bullets began to fly it was only ten minutes.
and that is what is stunning. that so much devastation could take place in so short of a time. the killer, winding his way up and down busy streets, unloading his weapon and aiming at people who he simply did not know. he went to a sorority, a deli, outside a 7-eleven. he tried to hit as many people as possible and so many people, anderson, have been affected. you see the stadium behind me. there is a vigil happening right now. it is packed with people. we're trying, as we are, on this program, trying to remember the good in people. trying to remember the victims and looking forward to trying to pick up the pieces as a community. anderson? >> yeah, kyung, the memorial that is happening now, i mean, we've seen literally thousands of people attending this. any idea on the total number? i know that christopher's father spoke at the memorial just a
short time ago. >> reporter: he did speak at the memorial and a lot of people came here to see him. and when we look at the faces of the people who came into the stadium it is like the entire town came here. many of them young. we're talking about young victims, a community of students. two schools affected. a city college and the university of california, santa barbara. and there are mainly students, but there are also all sorts of ages because this is a college town filled with professors, students, they are here. this entire place is packed. the police here are telling us there are 20,000 people who have filled this stadium. the capacity is technically 17,000. people are filling the entire area and around this stadium, anderson. >> kyung lah, appreciate the upgrade, as she mentioned, richard martinez who has been speaking tonight has been facing cameras almost nonstop. he has been telling his story
and taking politicians to staff for thought doing enough to stop the killing. >> i can't tell you how angry i am. it is just awful. and no parent should have to go through this. no parent, to have a kid die because -- in this kind of a situation -- what has changed? have we learned nothing? >> that was on sunday, richard martinez has gone through more in the last several days than most people. i spoke to him a short time ago. mr. martinez, thank you for taking the time, i do want to say i'm sorry -- what do you want the world to know -- >> excuse me, anderson, i'm sorry to interrupt you already. but i wanted to thank you for inviting me on your show. and i have a special reason for saying that to you. and that is because i respect the position you have taken on
these events. >> as you know, i don't believe in showing the name or the person's picture, history should not remember the name of that person but your son and all the others who have lost their lives. >> when the media puts the shooter's name out there, they put his picture out there, his videos out there they're give the shooter exactly what they wanted. >> i agree. >> they're completing the shooter's plan. the second thing about this is not only is it wong for that reason, it is wrong for even a more important reason. and that is out there right now today this minute there is another shooter. just like this kid. absolutely just like this kid and he is listening to the message that this media at this time is sending to him and he is seeing that this shooter was rewarded by his horror and accomplishing his purpose.
and all that does is -- that is what makes it possible -- it actually creates the environment for the next shooting. so it is wrong in that respect. >> and i agree. what do you want people to know about chris? what kind of young man was he? >> well, he loved basketball, and when he had a chance to play basketball, he took every chance that he had to play basketball. and he used to play very frequently with his elderly 30-year-old cousin who he was very close to. they were like brothers. and in one of the interviews that we did, his cousin was asked to describe -- as a matter of fact i think it was your interview, was asked to describe chris. he said he was smart, kind and gentle. until you got on the basketball he was neither kind and gentle. showed no respect for age or the family relationship. he was a fierce competitor.
anyone who knew him, if you talked to anybody in our hometown of san luis obispo if you talked to kids that played sports with chris they will tell you it was a very unusual combination of gentleness, kindness and fierce competitiveness. when he did something, he was determined and fearless. >> what do you hope, what do you believe can come of this? because i can't tell you how many people i have interviewed in your situation. and it is just -- horrific. >> my feeling is that i want to do as much as i can while people are still interested in talking to me. and i don't want to lose the opportunity for me to express who chris was. and what a tremendous loss my child is to everyone. and i don't want it to happen to anybody else's kid. and if i don't take advantage of the time now, the time when
people are interested in talking to me, people don't understand. >> i know you have had people reaching out to you on capitol hill. what is your message to them. about what needs to change? >> my message is this. don't -- i've had congress people call me and express their condolences and sympathy. and when that happened, when that has happened i have told them don't call me and tell me you're sorry about my son's death. i don't want to hear it from you. i don't want to hear that you're sorry about my son's death. i don't care if you're sorry about my son's death. you go back to congress and you do something and you come back to me and tell me you have done something. then i would be interested in talking to you. but until then, don't call me again. and i don't care whether it is the president of the united states or any other politician do not call me and tell me you're sorry about my son's death until you do something
now. it is ridiculous, contemptible, the fact that this situation has gone on so long is just utterly ridiculous. i mean, i refuse to believe ktht the situation is hopeless and that there are not solutions. i realize it is a complex issue. i realize this is an issue that combines gun violence. i realize it is an issue that combines mental health. i realize it is an issue that involves hatred of women, and i understand that. i don't want to lose sight in this discussion that this whole tragedy was motivated in part by a young man's twisted idea of what women owed him. >> you want to reach out to this young man's family? >> well, look, anderson, i find it unacceptable and intolerable
that this situation continue. and for the rest of my life and the honor of my son i will do anything i can. i'll go anywhere. i'll talk to anybody. to change this. >> mr. martinez, i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. and i just wish you strength in the days ahead. >> thank you, anderson, i appreciate you inviting me. >> in a moment we'll look at how -- we'll walk through all this call came to be, moment by moment, warning sign by warning sign. we'll ask an expert on the signals that are out there. the victims remembered by thousands tonight on the ucsb campus.
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i just ran in the house, i was like i just got shot out. please, let me hang out here for a second. >> she was crying saying he has a gun, he has a gun and ran right into our house. >> well, by the time she ran into the house the gunman had already taken six lives. the rampage, thankfully, nearly over. in a moment, two experts and how this might have been changed. first, i just want to give you a
time line here from the beginning, here again is kyung lah. >> reporter: 9:17 p.m., the killer's mother opens his e-mail 137 page manifesto. his rampage begins inside his own home. his three roommates, all stabbed. george chen, cheng hong and wiehan wong, all three died. >> the three were apparently stabbed over and over with sharp objects. it was a pretty horrific crime scene. >> reporter: from there, the killer gets in his bmw in search of his next victims. this time he uses a gun. next, the sorority, they heard loud knocking coming from the door and didn't open it. so the gunman turned to three women standing here, shot and
killed, veronika weiss. surveillance video captures the moment, customers ducking, a glass door shattering. while people run, one woman reaches out to a victim and calls 911 as the bullets fly overhead. the worst, too gruesome to show, chris martinez bleeds to death on the floor as friends try to keep him alive using cpr, the sixth murder of the night. >> multiple gunshot victims in front of the deli. >> reporter: at this point the pace is picking up. witnesses say he is driving his bmw into people on the street. one person is shot outside the apartments, gunfire everywhere. mayhem inside this restaurant on the same block as gunfire rages
outside. thankfully, no one here is hurt. but the killer is not yet finished. a few blocks away he shoots at a deputy and misses. with officers now in pursuit he strikes a bicyclist. three more people are shot, then at 9:33, a gun battle with four deputies who run into this area and fire into the suspect's car. they believe they hit him in the hip, but he continues to drive. he is later to drive and slam into a bike rider, that person hit so hard he crashes the car. >> responding deputies immediately remove the suspect from the car and cuff him. he was obviously dead with an apparent gunshot wound to the head. >> less than ten minutes after bullets started to fly it is over. the six people killed and 13 injured. what authorities are calling
premeditated mass murder. >> that was kyung lah reporting. as i said, we're neither mentioning the killer's name or showing his face, the fact that the young man had serious issues is worth talking about. so is the fact his parents were aware of them as well as mental health officials. he had been seeing experts since he was 11. he was upset because at 22 he was a virgin. last week he shared hatred of men and women. and there were places where the right action may have diffused the killer's rage or stopped him from acting on it. joining us now, dave cullen, author of "columbine," which is in my opinion the definitive way of the columbine kill iing and s completely changed the way i report on these hearings. dave, so much after columbine,
there was much that turned out not to be true. so what do you think is important to focus on and what do you look at now when you look at this incident? >> well, keeping in perspective we see lots of things that are interesting and that may jump out to us as clues. and it is sort of understanding that our mind is telling us that is a story that may or may not be the story. in bits or pieces. i'll give you an example of what we saw. and this is actually years later. i'll give you a journal, here are drawings, not the best one, lots of hearts and i love you. page after page of this. this is the journal of dylan cavalie klebold, who went on to kill and injure. here is the rest of his journal, about 80 pages. if you read the entire thing cover to cover you get a pretty
good picture of him. it is still not complete. still one side. and again, you get a lot of bad information, he is saying how badly people think of him. he has no friends or social life. then if you look at his daytimer it is completely filled up. he is doing things all the time. >> so his perception of it was not the reality. >> exactly. so as you put all the pieces together you get a really complete picture. so the big picture all makes sense. you take little pieces, isolated bits, which is where we're at right now, we're getting little drips and drabs, which are maybe accurate information, but if you take that and extrapolate it, it doesn't mean turn your brain off. i watch this, and i temper it, drawing 90% of the conclusions, probably 90% of what i'm telling
you could be wrong. >> the video was disturbing enough for his mother, the police said he appeared normal to them when they spoke. they didn't search his room. they say they were unable to do anything. at this point is there more that could have been done? >> well, there are a lot of questions, and i would agree with mr. cullen about the need to reserve judgment until the final investigation is finished. i agree, important information was noticed and reported by a family member. what we don't know is how much did she actually share about what was in that disturbing material? if the officers had a chance to take a look at it did they seek out additional information? did they run him for weapons? and how did he present himself? and did they have anything to compare that to, to determine the vendracity of it.
so there are a lot of questions about what they had, what information should have been sought, and what information they shared. we need to keep an open mind about that, that those are the difficult questions that will need to be answered. because the signs were reported to them or some. did they get enough? did they seek enough? and what was done with it? was it enough? these are all questions. >> chris, as a psychologist, apparently this young man had been seeing a therapist of some sort since a very young age. if somebody says to a therapist, something that is threatening to other people that therapist is able to alert authorities and in fact has a duty to. is that correct? >> that is correct. in fact, the law in the state of california changed to you had to get the information from a patient. to now, especially family members that that would create a duty to warn the intended victim and the police. so yes, there is some misinformation at times about what can and should be shared.
but there is definitely an obligation that mental health professionals have to warn the victim and police. and there is still the ability, if they think that the person is generally, possibly dangerous to breach confidentiality, and take steps to try to render the situation safe. so there are disclosures that are mandated and disclosures that are allowed in the face of the law. >> you know, we talked earlier about the video, not showing the video or part of the picture. for me, i believe the focus should be on the victims and not on the suspect. one thing i got from your book is there is almost a glorification, and other people are watching. there was just somebody who was trying to do what the two shooters and columbine and boston had done. and i was thinking, he was
watching -- he watched what those two did and tried to do it. and no doubt there are people watching that kid's video which is show messed up and thinking wow, this guy is getting all of this attention. this video is played all over the world. >> exactly, and that kid was 2 years old when columbine happened so he has been watching and watching over time. we sort of wring our hands, to me this is sort of the no-brainer step like stopping with the name. because i can understand there is a really good debate on whether or not to show that video, to me, there is useful information to be drawn. i can watch and learn about those kids but that is possibly a tough call. there is a battle there. with the name we get nothing. this is sort of an arbitrary thing you were born with.
and jet journalists, i don't know, we sort of cling to the idea we have to tell all the facts as if we don't make judgments on every story we do. >> there is also a window, maybe there should be a 12-hour window. okay you show it. it is germane to showing it. there is no reason after day three or four to show it. >> i also believe with the web, even people who are broadcasting they can say like there is a video, describe it and say it is available on our website. but we're not going to give them sort of the status of the tv thing. it is sort of relegated to the web. we're sort of actively dissing him as a medium, and others are watching it saying he is sort of not getting the stage. >> nobody will remember him. david, it is good to have you on the show. the book, "columbine," is just an extraordinary read.
and next, the person hit by the shooter's car. plus, the person helping to get people to safety. gary tuchman has their story next. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips.
. well, the killer who cut short six lives in santa barbara also wounded 13 other, two are said to be in good condition, one listed as fair. one young man was skating when he was mowed down. both his legs were broken. and the shooter at the house where katherine cooper and veronika weiss were killed. tonight, we're learning more
about the good samaritans who risked their lives to pull this woman to safety as the gunman was still firing. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: the sounds of chaos. one of the shots you just heard fired by the gunman hit a female student riding her bicycle on this corner. ellen cotnin is the student who caught it on video. >> heard three gunshots getting closer. and then heard eight to ten, maybe 12 gunshots very loud, right below our balcony. >> reporter: also below the balcony, a 7-eleven and pizza shop where students started running in the stores to seek shelter from the gunfire. the owner of the 7-eleven and one of his employees were worried somebody might have been shot outside. so amid the continuing gunfire ventured out and saw the cyclist. >> she was like did i really just get shot right now, am i bleeding? and i tried not to scare her, i
tried to say, well, you know, let's go inside the store. >> so you went inside the store, let's go back in here, and then you -- what did you do? >> so we got a stool and put her down right here and sat her down. you could see she had two gunshots right here. and you could signed of see the bullets. >> reporter: they were not only good samaritans. they were heroic. the 7-eleven employees kept her comfortable and told her she would survive. and they were right. but the gunshots continued. >> before panicking. i said don't worry, everything is fine. let's just get back here. i tried to think of a plan. i said look if anybody comes through the front door, here is an emergency exit, we'll go through the emergency exit. for now, sit tight -- >> now that you look back at it, scary as hell, wasn't it? >> it was very terrifying, i wouldn't lie. >> just moments earlier the gunman had fired at a sorority house hitting three women.
later, a good samaritan rushed to the scene. >> so i waited and heard more gunshotings a gunshotin gunshotings -- gunshots. >> he came up to and comforted the third victim. >> she was kind of like laying down crouched. she was still conscious, talking. she immediately got on the phone with her mother. and then was telling her mother about how much she loved her and she was not sure she was going to make it. >> reporter: but she did make it. that young woman is one of the survivors. >> and gary joins us now, what is the university doing to help the students cope? >> reporter: well, this memorial service that is just about to come to an end is a good step, being held to remember the victims. it is also a psychological tonic, where thousands of people can be together and know they remain together, they suffer together and can talk together and can deal with this.
in addition to that there is individual counseling going on. the university will continue classes until a week this friday. all the students here, anybody who needs counseling can get it. one thing, anderson, it is very obvious it is a tragic, sad situation. but the feeling i see over and over again is just disbelief. the people who think it is all unreal, that it didn't happen. >> gary, thank you for the reporting. ahead, president obama's plan for afghanistan, his plan to bring the troops home. plus, breaking news that hurt the sterling name and rocked the nba world. word that shelly sterling is moving on selling the clippers. who is interested in buying the team.
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punch. >> reporter: shelly sterling will accept offers for the clippers this week. a source tells cnn quote, things are moving quickly. earlier this year, shelly sterling met with the former microsoft ceo ballmer at her home. he made an aggressive offer. >> it looks like it is going to happen on a time table that adam silver has pushed for. >> reporter: a source says she is weaware of the deal with potential buyers, shelly sterling's attorney has stayed silent. a source says she is interested in offers from magic johnson and his partners. california moguls david geffen and larry ellison, oprah winfrey, we hear, is out of the
running. magic johnson was asked if he was interested. >> if it comes out and it is for sale and our partners want to take a look at it, we'll look at it and of course make a run for it. >> reporter: any sell ale of th clippers would have to be approved by the board of governors. but analysts say if the sterlings don't sell the team by june 3rd, the nba will be forced to remove donald sterling. >> i think he has to have this, from a perception and straight pr standpoint it is much cleaner to have a sale. this is almost the same as you can either resign or we can fire you. but you can no longer work here. >> brian todd joins me now with cnn legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. is there any scenario in which he could retain equity in the
cl clippers? >> not really, there is no scenario in which either donald or shelly sterling can retain equity in the clippers. around the league they feel if shelly sterling is leading the effort to sell the clippers that is okay, but not a scenario where either of them would have equity in the clippers. >> what do you make of this? >> they're all out. this is the sterlings facing reality. the only issue is when they're out. either they leave now and sell the team or june third, they are forced out and then sell the team. they're facing reality. they don't want a messy fight and it looks like they're going to make one big pile of money. >> yeah, there are some reports today saying the clippers are looking at $1.8 billion, which is certainly not bad of an outcome, especially considering mr. sterling's initial investment of the team. >> which is somewhere between 12 and $13 million. it is hard to think of this as
justice triumphing. he is being forced to sell the team. but you know his punishment will be taking over a billion dollars to the bank in which i think a lot of people would be happy to be punished that way. >> brian todd, thank you. and president obama's plan to bring the troops home from afghanistan. what the timeline looks like and why the president said it is harder to end a war than start one. next. was a truly amazing day. he was a matted mess in a small cage. so that was our first task, was getting him to wellness. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. from contractors and doctors to dog sitters and landscapers, you can find it all on angie's list. we found riley at the shelter, and found everything he needed at angie's list. join today at angieslist.com
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president obama announcing today he wants to bring troops home. his plan calls for 9800 troops to stay in afghanistan after this year ends and then about half of that by the end of the year 2015. the end game for continued u.s. military presence in afghanistan after more than ten years of war. in september of 2009, our reporter from afghanistan was there, assisting trips. >> so the taliban is still around here? >> no doubt about it. it is just a matter of you know, they come at night. they come in during the day when the marines are not around. yeah, so the villagers for the most part are going to tell you i have never seen any taliban, or the taliban has been gone since you guys got here. >> they all say that? >> yeah, that is the usual song and dance. >> they're on the fence about whether or not to fully support the government, because they don't know if you guys are going
to stick around. >> yeah, and they have been living here as long as they have been alive. they know which side to play. go with the strongest tribe. >> it is not clear which side has been chosen. today, president obama said it is harder to end a war than to start one. >> we have to recognize afghanistan will not be a perfect place. and it is not america's responsibility to make it one. >> security analyst peter bergen joins me. what do you make of the troop drawdown by the end of 2016? >> reporter: well, anderson, i think -- when president obama came into office as the president who was going to end the war in iraq and wind down america's wars. he made it very clear in a speech he gave about a year ago that america's perpetual war footing is not something he wants to perpetuate.
he wants to leave in place something for his successor that is not a perpetual war footing. now his successor, whoever that is, can always change things. now, one thing we didn't hear from the president today is we do have a strategic partnership with afghanistan that goes on until 2024. what that exactly looks like remains to be seen. but it is not like we're going to be turning off the lights in afghanistan from america's point of view in 2016. >> and in terms of the central government in kabul, how stable is it? are they able to project power out into helmand province? >> well, where we both were together in 2009, in helmand, i think the taliban was dealt a pretty severe defeat.
smaller forces will be back, can they mount an offensive in kabul? i don't think so, the taliban is a relative small force, 40 to 30,000. the u.s. forces, a small number of u.s. nato advisers, i don't see it being a real threat. the other thing of course is the election, a 60% turnout. the last time there was a 60% turnout in the united states, the presidential election was in 1968. and people are voting alongl ethnic lines. if it goes well, afghanistan is looking to be doing sort of sem i okay. >> and the army, there are police, obviously a lot of taliban infiltration into the police force. we've seen a lot of them on the u.s. forces, and others, how is the army? how capable are there? >> better than expected.
anderson, the desertion rate is very high. you reported on the blue attacks, they're taking heavy casualties. the afghan army doesn't publicize it, but they're taking heavy casualties. people are pleasantly surprised about their ability to hold territory. >> you have also explained it is not iraq, explain what you mean. >> well, if you go to iraq, the violence is three or four more times the earlier levels. you're more likely to be killed there was a civilian than during the iraq war. in iraq, the violence is really going back to some very bad places. and afghanistan is remaining pretty stable. it is not perfect but it is not like if you went to kabul today you couldn't go to a restaurant and basically have some semi-reasonable life there. now, that wouldn't necessarily
be true of many parts of iraq right now. >> peter bergen, thank you for joining us. let's get more stories from susan hendricks. anderson, the cia's top intelligence official in afghanistan was publicly identified in a white house e-mail accidentally sent to about 6,000 journalists. the official's name, of course we're not disclosing was on a list of people attending a military briefing for president obama during his surprise visit to the baghraim air field. and a violent episode yet, the worst in the city. the data between the missing airlines malaysia flight was released today in a 40-page document that many say leaves unanswered questions. some family members are pushing for an independent analysis of that data. and look at this tornado
caught on video in north dakota. listen here. >> tornado warning. you see it there, go men outside capturing this incredible image of a tornado that ripped through an oil field camp, anderson, and an rv camp. luckily nobody was killed. >> incredible, pictures getting so close. susan, thank you so much. a programming note tonight, randi kaye reports on the mysterious death of john bender in a lush forest. was it suicide or murder? love and death in paradise coming up next at 9:00 p.m. tonight. we'll be back with another edition of "ac360." when we come back in this hour though, we remember the victims of the santa barbara massacre. an emotional tribute coming up next. ♪
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put up artwork for anyone to post notes and artwork. there was a formal service which we leave you with this hour, where the family and friends wish for strength and peace in the days ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> as we remember the six extraordinary students who were taken from us, so suddenly and so terribly. >> that which unites us is so much stronger than whatever divides us. we must draw closer to one another than ever before. there is darkness in this world. what can we do to begin to dispel this darkness? in this moment of loss there is a human desire to come together,
to reach out to one another for love and for support. >> we don't have all the answers. and we may never fully understand the tragedy that has happened here this past weekend. but answering these questions is not. and should not be our focus. george chen. katherine cooper. james hong. christopher martinez, david wang. veronika weiss. >> how many more people are going to have to die in this situation before the problem gets solved? it has almost become a normal thing for us to accept this. it is not normal. too many people have died.
and it should be not one more. >> well, that does it for us. we'll see you again at 11 p.m. for another edition of "ac360." the report, "love and death in paradise" starts right now. >> the following is a cnn special report. i recall it as being a relatively peaceful day. that evening we had dinner because we had never talked about guns. it ner