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next. >> see you in an hour. three years after the last u.s. troops pulled out of iraq, american military advisors are heading right back in. the first of up to 300 advisors could head to work today. the mission, help iraq stop islamist sunni militants who have overrun town after town and now 40 miles from baghdad. i'm michael smerconish. let's begin. my first headline is from abc. obama to send up to 300 military advisors to iraq. the president emphasized these special forces will not be in a combat role, but to many, that sounds familiar. >> the american helicopters are shot down.
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three american advisors are killed. >> we have u.s. military advisors flying combat missions. we have advisors that are accompanying south vietnamese forces in the field. by this point, the role is beyond advising. >> my first guests are congress member mike hoffman and counterterrorism analyst. phil, that footage was from the special right here on cnn about "the sixties." is that what you think? it could be a vietnam in the making? >> i don't think so. the president has been clear. in my world, the distinction of being in the command center and okay the frontlines to take back the mission. we have the potential for an
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insurgent group to gain safe haven and threaten new york city. that is different than getting involved of a civil war at the head of nuri al maliki. the distinction of counter operations against the u.s. or are you slipping in support for civil war. >> congress member, i'm glad phil uses the verbiage civil war. shi'ite militias are now cooperating with the iraqi army. you know the subject well. maliki is now relying on those who launched attacks on u.s. soldiers. >> i think if you look at the iraqi army, itself, it is not far from being a shi'a militia at this point. a lot of the sunnis have deserted from the army. this is a shi'a-dominated
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government. fighting a sunni arab populations. you know, we had this coalition before where we had the jihadist elements or the local sunni arab militias or leaders come together as one. this requires a political solution. the president was wrong to take sides in the sectarian war. we need pressure on the maliki government to lay a foundation for reconciliation. i'm pleased to see the lead are shi'a cleric in the country has come out and said there has to be a significant change in this government. >> your position is he shouldn't have sent the 300 advisors, but is it the position to maintain a military footprint there to
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begin with? >> i think hindsight is always easy. i don't think the president wanted the narrative that he had ended the war in iraq. i think that would have been helpful. the situation is what it is right now. we can do a lot of finger pointing and the prior administration for getting us into this. we have to focus on looking forward. in looking forward, we need to understand that depth of the antagonism of the patronage. we need to see that in terms of reconciliation. >> phil mudd, michael crowley wrote this this week. this is not about iraq.
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this is about sunni radicals taking hold in the region. the better we come to terms with that, the better off we will be. >> i thatink that is correct. they believe the war was passed down through religious document and boundaries don't mean anything. on the flip side, you are looking at the shi'a and how they are viewing the world. think of this crescent of the few decades. iran. the center of the shi'a universe. on the one side, the americans getting out of afghanistan. they have a lot of historic influence. nuri al maliki, a shi'a, taking over for saddam hussein, who is a sunni in iraq. you have cementing power for assad. he looks more and more powerful every day. one more step in the past decades. you have the rise of hezbollah. for them, this world sunni shi'a is looking good. >> congress member, what i glean from that and from phil's
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analysis, is that no number of u.s. military advisors a s or ts are the ground will answer the question who should have been the successor to the prophet muhammad in the year 632. >> that is probably right. let me say this having worked with the sunni arabs in 2005 and 2006, that when they saw hope in terms of their future in iraq with an inclusive iraqi government, they turned on the radical elements, the jihadists and sided with us. so, that can occur again if, in fact, they see a future in an iraqi government. again, i'm encouraged by al histani about the change in the government to make it inclusive. we need to recognize this is a political solution that is required and not a military solution. sending in the 300 advisors
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without a foundation without reconciliation. >> i hear sides of a political debate, phil, bush got us into iraq. well, obama took us out prematurely. i think maybe not at this juncture, five or ten years down the road, whenever saddam hussein has died. your thoughts? >> like it or not, americans have a view about democracy. all democracy is good all the time. when you deal with countries like syria or iraq or iran, there is a transition from democracy to stability. that is revolution. you are not talking about a year of revolution. you are talking about 10 or 20 or 50. we got in the middle of the country with kurds, sunni and shi'a. we will have revolution. >> mike coffman, stick around.
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phil mudd, thank you. you remember the headline of special forces to iraq. i would have run, 300 military advisors won't pick muhammad's successor. i'll talk to former ambassador joe wilson about chen cheney's take and what the u.s. can do. the latest party to be offended by the term redskins. a branch of the u.s. government. hey! so i'm looking at my bill, and my fico® credit score's on here. we give you your fico® score each month for free! awesomesauce! wow! the only person i know that says that is...lisa?
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he is the chief mission during desert shield. let's recall the role wilson played in the run up to the iraq invasi invasion. in 2002, he was sent to investigate reports that iraq purchased uranium yellow cake. shortly after president bush made charges about iraqi effort to buy uranium from africa, in the 2003 state of the union address, ambassador wilson questioned the american justification for going to war with iraq in the piece in the times. eight days later, his wife valerie plame was outed as a cia officer. she was charged on lying to investigators and obstruction of justice. i had the opportunity to ask him earlier about the crisis in iraq. >> i think those who talk about
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the president having withdrawn our forces too soon forget it was president bush who initiated that prior to leaving office. the bigger picture, i think now, iraq is in a perilless situation. it will only get worse. prime minister maliki purged sunnis from the important positions. his troops in mosul and the sunni-dominated areas of iraq. his troops have treated him badly. there has been an opening for the terrorist group that did not exist in iraq prior to our occupation to lead a charge, which is emerging as an uprising of the sunni tribes as much as a terrorist action. i think it will get a lot worse before it gets better. if i were advising the president and administration, it would be
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to plan for the worst-case scenario and put in place all the humanitarian supplies and personnel and food and supplies you need. bolster the efforts to the turks and jordanians. i expect a major refugee crisis between now and the end of the year. >> what i don't hear you saying, mr. ambassador, there should be boots on the ground. how far should the united states go with the response to the military in iraq. >> i'm not sure of the mission of the 300 advisors. i think the mission should be limited to one thing. decapitating the leadership of the isil terrorist organization. they should restrain from becoming involved in an increasingly secretatarian war. >> you are well qualified to
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answer if question. what impact does it have when the former president of the united states when a sitting president of the united states says, quote, he makes empty threats and meaningless red lines and apeased our enemies. all things cheney said about president obama in the wall street journal this week. >> i find it unseemly to say the least. the vice president instead of being an elder statesman decides to be a political anchor instead. he is trying to salvage his tattered reputation. i think more than convincing any weakness on the government, the vice president has shown what a fool he is. >> finally, educate the rest of us as one who has been the chief of mission in the country we are all discussing, what is it you think perhaps many americans don't appreciate that you have
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knowledge of. >> the iraqis are a very proud people. they defended themselves against iran in the '70s. they fought two wars against us. i think they are embittered. it is a dangerous situation. it is possible between now and 18 months from now, you may see iraq break into three pieces. >> does that mean that joe biden was pressi arkpressiant? >> i think people who knew something about the region predicted that as an out come. >> did we break it and do we own it? >> i don't think there is much we can do to repair it right now. i would be -- it is really up to the iraqis to try to find some middle ground. i think we can perhaps be helpful diplomatically. it is clear that nuri al maliki
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is not one to share power. i don't believe we should own it to the extent we put a lot of military assets on the ground except to deal with the isil threat. i think in anticipation of some point try to improve the relationship with the sunni arabs, we should put our efforts in the relief for the populations caught in the crossfire of the looming civil war. >> mr. ambassador, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. nice to be with you. >> that was ambassador joe wilson. we started with the headline on the cheney op-ed. the collapsing obama dock train. real americans don't call a sitting commander in chief weak. the redskins get sacked by the federal government, but while taking the trademark force
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okay. should the washington redskins change their name is our first
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question. >> yes. >> yes, sara silverman says alone. >> yes. >> yes. >> everybody says yes. >> it feels weird at first. >> a linguist who concluded, a guy with real credentials. he said this is a phrase and expression that native-americans coined for themselves. the history is not as clear as people make it out to be. >> that is what i said on "real time with bill mahar." the washington redskins took it on the chin this week, but the damage to be to the bottom line. that after the patents were tossed out. federal agency cancels tread mark registration saying the name is disparaging. my guest is simon moya-smith. you heard what i said on bill's
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program. i was making reference to the report on the origin where it began with very benign connotations. you don't find that persuasive. >> of course not. look at where it is has been. redskin meant scalps to trade and skin. we cannot ignore that. it is a dictionary-defined slur. >> i read the patents on the decision this week. in the dissent, mark bergsma made the point of it is not disparaging in 2014, but was it disparaging in 1967 when the trademarks were protected. in 1967, i doubt you were not around. >> wasn't born. >> good for you.
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what significance then? >> just because people weren't listening doesn't mean the elders and leaders were not fighting against all forms of stereotypes. redskins and cleveland indians and indian mascots as a whole. it is just now with the media and proliferation of the media, everybody can hear us. there is a native-american voice and it is in real time. letters to the editor don't go ignor ignored. the native-american has not stopped speaking. people listen to us through the platform. >> how far would you take it? cleveland indians, chiefs, blackhawks, chippewas. would you pull those names and mascots? >> all of them. >> i understand the argument that redskin is a disparaging.
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kansas city wants a name associated with strength and football franchise. >> we heard these arguments for a long time. that is the difference. we were raised knowing chief is not a pre-jorative. the native-american kid is negatively affected by the mascot images. the native-american kid says it is supposed to be positive, but a lower sense of self worth. we are here fighting for the kids. you can call all the adults pc you want. we are fighting for the future of our kids. here in the united states, native-american children have not been the focus. we know that. the indian child welfare act. that was the government stepping in saying we messed up. we stole your kids away. we tried to christian-ize them. they did not succeed. here i am. this is a situation again where we are looking at the future generation of native-americans.
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we are 1% of the population in our own country. everything about us could be on the brink of extinction if we don't want now. redskins affects the kids. >> simon moya-smith, thank you. you can check out his article at you remember the headline. the way i would have written it, government shouldn't police sports names. owners and fans should. coming to america. the suspect in the benghazi attack is in custody. should his next stop be a courtroom or a small room at gitmo? and political funnies. we will take you through the cartoons that got our attention this week. (mother vo) when i was pregnant... i got more advice than i knew what to do with. what i needed was information i could trust
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a slow boat to the united states. that's where ahmed abu khattala finds himself right now. the benghazi attack suspect is facing interrogators on a u.s. navy ship. here is the headline from the times. libya demands return of benghazi suspect seized by u.s. forces. let me bring in eric lewis, an attorney who specializes in cross border disputes. he is representing some of the detainees at guantanamo bay who are claiming torture and abuse in custody. back with us is congress member mike coffman. how long is too long for someone to be held in guantanamo bay without a trial or without charges or a trial? >> well, first of all, i think it is how do we see this? the fact is that when terrorists attack american targets, to me,
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in my view as a marine corps combat veteran, it is an act of war. the obama views it as a criminal act. as i view them as combatants. they should be held until there is cessation of belligerent activities. >> in 2003 or 2004 or 2005, i did not want to hear habeas corpus of gabe detainees. men have not been charged much less faced a trial. i guess, congress member, when we are out of iraq and about to get out of afghanistan, at some point, doesn't enemy combatant lose its resonance. if we are not at war with the countries, how can they be enemy combatants? >> you have to review that. it is. we are in a very different environment than we have ever
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historically been in. these are irregular forces that are sworn to a particular ideology and that are often not sponsored by any state. so, it is a difficult position. we are in a state of war. and the attack on our embassy in or our consulate in libya is a reflection of that. i think we have to recognize that and we have to recognize that these are not common criminals. >> counselor, mr. lewis, lindsey graham said the words you should never hear is the right to remain silent. why is graham incorrect? >> from has been this sense for all of these years that somehow our legal system is not up to the job after 225 years. terrorism has been around for a long time. the attack on the benghazi
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consulate is a terrible crime. our system can try it and punch it. since september 11th, there have been 500 people convicted of terror-related charges and they are serving sentences. two pleas and those were overturned on appeal. guantanamo bay and the military commissions have been a disaster legally and morally. the idea we cannot do a trial and we can't get information from defendants is just simply wrong. there is no support for it. guantanamo bay has become a symbol and political football. senator mccain and senator graham and president obama said guantanamo bay should be closed. years on with all of these people uncharged, that case is far, far stronger. >> congress member, isn't the big picture issue here with the
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war on terror, we will have a macro approach or sniper approach? whether we will invade a country like afghanistan or we will send in s.e.a.l. team 6 or do hold trials in federal court or lock these men up and throw away the key in a base like gitmo. isn't that the big picture question, congress member? >> well, i think there is a big picture question. i think the attack on benghazi was just referred by my counterpart as a terrible crime. it was a complex attack that involved mortars and automatic weapons and there was a well coordinated attack by a militia group against a u.s. target in an attack on a consulate or an embassy is through international
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legal standards considered an attack upon the soil of that country of the united states. in this case. we just have a very -- that comes down to the fundamental view. are these enemy combatants or is this criminal conduct? in my view, as a marine corps combat veteran, this is an attack on the united states and they are enemy combatants. >> mr. lewis, i think the arguments going against the route of federal court insinuates this is a weak approach. i was moved by the data i saw this week at the nyu law and security center to the observation you made. the federal court approach has been immensely successful. >> we have a 91% conviction rate. we have a legal system that has been proved through history to be adequate to the task. the military commissions haven't. you have to understand that
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guantanamo is filled now with men, many of whom have never been charged, because they have never done anything. you can pull them in there and yesterday, the house of representatives passed a bill to say don't let anyone out no matter what they did. you know, these men are deteriorating. i have client there is who are on hunger strike and being force fed. there are innocent people there. that is not the american way. you also have this week the bush era official in charge of giving legal opinions on law of war issues say that you cannot have a military commission try these men at guantanamo or anywhere else because under the statute that was passed in the bush administration, this is not defined as a war. it is defined as a crime. and the law doesn't support it. our legal system is not weak.
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our legal system is strong and it also sends a message out to the entire world that we are a country of laws. our laws will take care of these things. we don't need to declare the entire world has changed. we can pull people in and torture them. >> gentlemen, thank you. attorney eric lewis, congress member mike coffman. five seconds sir. very quick. >> sure. detainees in guantanamo have been taken off the battle field. we have found a high rate of residicm return to the terrorism. >> the best place for terrorists on trial. a new segment next that will tickle your political funny bone. and we will tell you about a
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♪ every four years, the world goes nuts for soccer or football or this year, futbol. the u.s. plays portugal tomorrow. check out the headline from the new york times. dishonestly is best policy. u.s. soccer falls short. the u.s. team is under fire for playing fair. joining me now is our own lara baldesarra. anchor of cnn's international's world sport live rio and a former soccer player. lara, what happened in the first
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match that got everybody thinking about the issue? >> reporter: the fact of the matter is this is a divisive topic of diving or pretending. depending on where you are, they encourage diving. if you are touched in an area, you go down. especially if you don't get a shot off. this is how it is in italy and spain and portugal. it is not that way in england. american soccer fans don't respect that part of the game. it is part of the game. when it is a physical game, and something happens in the area, you want to drop. that is what i would say. of course, most of my soccer mentality comes from the italian way. that is how i look at it. >> were you a flopper when you played? >> it depends on the situation. lara is right. if you are in the area where you pick up the penalty kick and you feel contact, you might go down easily as they say. he went down easily or looking for the contact. basically you are telling the
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referee, i just had contact here. i want to get a penalty kick. some people call it cheating. i don't call it cheating all the time. when there is no contact or little contact. >> is this a cultural issue? are we more reluctant to do it on the united states team than other cultures and teams? if so, who are the worst offenders of flopping? >> absolutely. the united states, it's a very hesitant thing. historically, not a lot of players on the u.s. national team played overseas. we're seeing that more now. but like i said, in italy, in spain, different parts of the world are where you see a lot of diving or flopping or trying to draw calls. i don't like to think of it as flopping or cheating. it's just part of the game. >> there are so many newcomers to the sport. i put myself in that category.
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so for many of us, this is a case of first impression. watching and seeing americans taking a dive, so to speak, they may not appreciate what you do as a player. what would you say to them? >> there's a cultural difference. in the united states, you're caught to compete all the time and try and compete on a level playing field, in a fair way. that's important to remember. there are times in every game -- you see it in basketball, football. people embellish things all the time. lebron james is a true embellisher. but it only works if there's true contact. we saw it in the brazil/croatia game. there was minimal contact and the guy flopped. >> did that cross the line? >> it did cross the line. >> there's a line with flopping? >> yes. and that referee hasn't done another game at the world cup because of that. >> very interesting. thank you both for your time. that headline where dishonesty is the best policy, u.s. soccer
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one last thing, a recently released survey received extensive coverage from prominent media outlets nearly uniform in casting the information in an ominous light. "the new york times" said polarization is dividing american society not just politics. "the washington post," in polarized united states, we live as we vote. and politico, polarization is highest in recent history. at "the wall street journal," pew's president wrote his own analysis that ran under the headline "the divided states of america." and bruce stokes offered his own
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take at this came under the headline "is america dangerously divided?" . and he began with this paragraph, if you thought that political polarization in america was bad, think again. because it's worse than you thought. and if you're under the impression that dysfunctionality in in washington is merely a part of partisan political gamesmanship on capitol hill, try again. because a new survey finds that divisions inside the beltway actually reflect a deep ideological divide within the u.s. public that manifests itself not only in politics but in everyday life. like the headlines that summary is billed upon the largest study of u.s. political attitudes ever undertaken by pew. but i don't buy it. where others see confirmation that the divide among americans is akin to that which separates those we elect, i'm digesting
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data that offers hope in our need to get beyond gridlock. the undeniable bad news is that the number of partisans is on the rise. those among us with consistently conservative and consistently liberal views have doubled in the last two decades from 10% to 21%, meaning that one in five americans are now part of this consistent class of the electorate. better news is that four-fifths of the country are not in that grouping of ideological uniformity and partisan animosi animosity, a takeaway you'd never know unless you peruse the survey. while ideological silos are noted on the right and the left, pew notes these sentiments are not shared by all, or even most americans. the majority do not have uniformity conservative or liberal views. most do not see either party as a threat to the nation and more believe their representatives in government should meet halfway
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to resolve contentious disputes rather than hold out for more of what they want. in other words, most americans are centrists. they'd like to see compromise. of course, the pew data begs the question of why the composition of the congress much less the modern discourse doesn't reflect the majority voices. and the answer is lack of engagement or as the pew survey explained, many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field relatively distant and distant engaged while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous, americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process. change will come only when partisans drive their participation. and political power rests in the center where rests is the operative word.
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that's it for me. see you back here next saturday. until then, have a great week. good morning, everybody. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. you're watching "cnn newsroom." the first team of u.s. military advisers may soon be on the ground in iraq. >> they're heading there as bombs exploded in baghdad killing at least five people that we know of so far. the attacks followed a march of unity by thousands of iraqi shiites in the capital. president obama is sending in advisers to help what he says is a growest terrorist threat to iraq and the u.s. >> islamic militants are believed to be just 40 miles from baghdad. you see those red spots here. these are the gains that they've
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made as they've rapidly moved south from syria. >> let's bring in cnn's reporter. >> she's in the capital baghdad. nama, do we know who set off the bombs in baghdad today? might they be linked to these isis militants? >> reporter: police believe they do know who set off the bombs. they believe it is sunni extremists, definitely linked to isis and the broader militant group. this, of course, as you said comes on a day when thousands of shia have been rallying in the streets of baghdad and cities across iraq to show force and to show support for prime minister nuri al maliki and to show a broader shiite support base for the government. but these bombs that target specifically majority shia communities here in baghdad, they're sending a very definite message. and it's a message that is only ratcheting up the tensions in the capital, tensions that really have been strained by the reports that cnn is also