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parents when flight 17 was shot out of the sky. she was only 25. an aspiring astronaut. her parents going against advice of security officials, they are going to the crash site in ukraine. "out fronlfront" is with them tw "out fronlfront" is with them tw night -- captions by vitac -- good evening. another airliner went down with lives and more coffins arrived in the netherlands but questions about access to the crash scene in ukraine and russia's role throughout the tragedy, that and u.s. claims that russia is now shelling the region directly, i'll speak with the dutch prime minister and take you where a somber and sacred effort is underway, identifying remains. reconnecting a broken chain of life and love. anguish and anger in gaza, women, children killed, a school, a shelter was hit.
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the question and continroversy what launched the attack, israel or hamas. new images of people grieving loved ones in france, algeria and in southern lebanon. this woman showing photographs on her cell phone of her niece, her five-year-old niece and her nephew. they and her sister-in-law awe among the 116 people on board yet another airliner over another war zone that went down today. some were lebanese. 51 of the 116 were french nationals. this is what the plane looked like. an american-made jet operated by swift air. the wreckage spotted in the deserts of mali. this happened around dangerous weather. the reporting is fresh, the facts may change. >> reporter: wreckage of the plan has been located near the city of gao who confirmed the news. 1:17 a.m. local time, flight
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5017 left bound for algiers, it was supposed to be a four-hour overnight flight but about 50 minutes of take off, it disappeared from radar over mali close to a zone of on going conflict between islamic rebels and the government. a area pilots were warned to stay above 25,000 feet. as of now, there is no indication the plane was hit by a missile, but the early indication suggested bad weather in the area may have contributed to the crash. air traffic controllers told the pilots to change course to avoid sand storms in a part of the world where conditions are breeding grounds for hurricanes. the point expressly asked to change i ten rarely because of the bad weather. that may be a reason. the other hypothesises linked to other conditions but we cannot
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venture into that. a staple in small commercial passenger jets was carrying at least 110 passengers plus six or seven crew members including the pilot and co-pilot. about 50 people on board were reported to be from france and 25 from another country. >> so the government in mali, do they have resources needed to lead the investigation. >> mali is launching an investigation into the crash and we know the government's transport ministry has experience in this, a crash involving the same airline occurred there in march of 2003 and the transport ministry filed a complete report in that case. there was an engine failure on take off, 102 people died and one survivor. >> appreciate the update. france bearing a large share of the crash. i mean, it looks like france has
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born the majority of the losses aboard the flight. the reaction has got to be stunned. >> reporter: oh, absolutely, anderson. 51 people, french -- 51 french nationals on board that flight and the french have been quiet and somber about it all but we haven't seen the makeshift memorials that we have seen in amsterdam and that's because the french government is being quite silent about this, despite the fact that we're hearing from mali president they have found the plane. the french governing fact hasn't come forward. they haven't said the plane has been found. so far this is all a mystery for them and they are saying they are looking into it. they are sending fighter jets to investigate but so far after 2:00 here in the morning, the french government being very tight lipped saying they are looking into all the facts when they see the plane for themselves, then they will make
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a statement. >> they say they vow to mobilize all their resources but it's in rebel held territory so investigating the scene may be difficult. >> reporter: absolutely. this is inhospitable terrain. it's remote, vast, perilous and they are aware of that. at the same time, they sent out two fighter jets to ascertain, follow the route to ascertain what happened. they also have troops on the ground, military and medical there. we found out they have 3,000 french troops on the ground. they have also asked for the alger ya and u.s. task force to help them. it's a hard area not only from joe johns because of the weather, it's difficult and harsh terrain, mountainous but also it's the heartland of this
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heavy militant group that have been pushed back slightly, anderson, from 2012, 2013, the french government military went in. they have been pushed back. they don't have as much capacity at the moment, but it's still, they are still armed and they are still dangerous. so obviously, going in, trying to get that information becomes much more difficult. >> reporting from paris, thank you very much. flight 17 and the faa's decision to ban flights. 700 aviation fatalities in recent months. let's bring in miles o'bryan and david soucie and former faa chief of staff michael goldfarb. miles, let's talk about this crash, the algeren air flight. >> you have to take a strong and hard look at the weather here. this is part of the world called
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the intra tropical conversion zone. these are the worst thunderstorms in the planet where the trade winds north and south meet, thunderstorms have become hugely embedded thunderstorms. thunderstorms, the likes of which brought down air france 447 in 2009 and you see this aircraft was headed right toward a cell, had requested to deviate around it. all kinds of reasons not to fly through a thunderstorm and there are all kinds of questions that will be associated weather in this case. >> michael, the recent tragedies, i mean, there is obviously concerns about the tel aviv airport. is there a perception issue, as far as airplane safety right now? >> it certainly feels that way, anderson. how many people would feel comfortable flying into that region of the world and remains the safest mode of transportation. statistics are like one in 55 million you would be involved in an aviation incident but if the perception it's not safe, then there is a real crisis of confidence. that's why what the faa did at
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the airport is important. thankfully they intervened. imagine they left it up to the airlines themselves to assess the security threat. planes may not fly in there for many days. that's the role you want the faa and governments to play, a role to respond to what increasingly seems to be a hostile world that comes together with commercial aviation. >> what do you make of the faa resending the ban on tel aviv? >> i think it was smart in the first place. when bloomberg went over, he needs to read regulations because they state if there is an identified risk by anyone, that's part of the safety system. anyone within that system, pilots, passengers who raises a significant risk, the airport has to be shut down for a period of 24 hours. the fact that it was done and they found new significant information and that was necessary to lift the ban, they did by the book and the way the system safety system is designed to work. >> for viewers, michael
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bloomberg flew over there to make their point saying that airport was safe and what the faa did was wrong, especially, michael you agree? >> completely. it allowed the airport to reopen safely and david is absolutely right, there is a methodical process to look at the indicators of how safe it is from navigational aids to strife around the airport in a conflict area. they did the right thing, got new information and reopened it as quickly as possible. >> miles, i know you have a point to make about malaysia airlines, you say they aren't being transparent enough, in what way? >> we've been talking about scenarios that may have led from the surface to air missile. one thing that is persistent and still in the realm of speculation but needs to be run down is was there a ukrainian fighter jet in close proximity to that airliner? certainly not unheard of to have fighter jets using civilian airliners as cover to evade
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radar. if that is in fact the case, it certainly muddies the water as to why the trigger was pulled, if you will and the best way to clear that up is in the hands of the ukrainian air traffic control authorities that have radar tapes, primary and secondary. they said they released them. we haven't seen them yet. this needs to be settled. >> do you agree they need to step up? >> they need to be released immediately during the investigation and everything that happened before and leading up to it, as well. >> miles, david soucie, michael appreciate you being on. we'll come back to the ukraine story shortly. when we come back, we'll go to a single location in gaza where 200 people, mostly women and children have been wounded, 16 killed. it happened at a school serving as a un shelter. palestinian anger, white hot even though answers who is exactly responsible remain unclear. we'll show you how each side is reacting and the best evidence we have right now.
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tonight, outrage growing for the third united nation school in gaza, at least 16 people were killed. palestinian officials said more than 200 others were wounded. the two other un schools had been hit, this was serving as a shelter in an area that seen intense fighting. many families with young children had gone there thinking
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it would be a safe place. obviously, it was not. officials in gaza accuse israel of targeting the school. israel said it's investigating the shelling and suggested a rocket fired by hamas could have hit the school. the secretary general slammed hamas for storing weapons and turning schools into potential targets. among all the finger pointing, what is certain right now at this hour beyond doubt, today young children and babies once again paid the price of war. dan rivers filed this report from gaza and i do want to warn you, the images are hard to bear. >> reporter: they had come here seeking refrefuge, but today, t war came to this school. the playground peppered with shells, the results were devastating. a few minutes later, we watched the first casualties arrive at the local hospital, child after
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bloody child. this boy really in shock as doctors lost the battle to save a member of his family. for more than 0 minutes, the ambulance crews flooded this tiny hospital with more and more victims. >> they are running out of room in this triage as ambulance after ambulance arrived with dozens of injured people including many children. >> reporter: one of the youngest, this six month old baby boy has shrapnel in his back there is no time for anesthetic as doctors pluck it out. nearby the baby's father is hysterical. the father of six tells me his family was waiting in the school playground to be evacuated by the red cross when suddenly the shells rang down. he says his children were blown away like pieces of paper.
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everywhere we looked, faces contorted in pain, terrible news broken. for many, it was too much. >> they want to tell me the responsible thing, a responsible thing to kill the children, the old women, the children? what! >> reporter: the chaos will not be forgotten. the injuries will be life changing. agony, too, for those yet to live theirs. by the end, the injured children were simply being treated on the floor so great with their number. and most with the same injuries, shards of metal lacerating their
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tiny bodies. multiple shrapnel. how many children have been brought in? >> so much. >> reporter: the price of this war is etched on each and every face here staring blankly back in shock. the innocent victims of this relentless conflict. >> that was dan rivers reporting. the u.n. secretary general is appalled by today's strike on the u.n. school. john kerry is in cairo helping to help with seize fire. if tel aviv goes south, their words, the ban could be reinstated. karl is in gaza and wolf blitzer, karl, regarding the u.n. shelter, what's the latest? >> so far from the palestinian health a authorities, over 600 dead. we don't know who is exactly to
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blame on the one hand the united nations says the israeli military had clearly had the coordinates of where this shelter was. the unitednations says it asked for the israeli military to call a lull in fighting on at least two occasions during the day to allow the civilians safe passage out of the school. they say that permission was denied. however, the israeli military clearly say they did permit a four-hour window so there is some confusion there. that is one point also we know in the previous days there has been intense fighting, both artillery shelling but also ground fighting in that area of northeastern gaza and this school is only about a mile and a half from that boarder. as what the united nations is saying, it isn't at this time blaming either side but does say in previous days, both the israelis and hamas have violated the new trutrality of schools t.
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they blame hamas militants for using schools to store rockets. the israeli military says it will investigate when a cnn team went down to the scene, we could not draw any conclusive evidence what may have caused the blast. we saw shrapnel marks, marking the school and the ground. no signs of rocket parts on the ground and no fragments from anything that looked like commercially made weapons grade material ammunitions, anderson. >> wolf, you asked benjamin netanyahu about it, what did he say? >> he says that it's a tragic incident. the israelis are investigating it. they say there is a possibility it could have been a hamas rocket fired from gaza towards israel but landed on that building. it could be a mistake for which they would be deeply regretful. they will know more as the
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investigation continues. they weren't ready to make a firm determination yet. >> senior state department officials are trying to put pressure on both sides today saying the secretary kerry's time in the region is not indefinite. have you heard of any, is there any feeling on the israelly side they are closer to a seize fire? >> i haven't heard. if anything, they see the continuation of this operation and they don't see any willingness to stop launching rockets and missiles into israel. the israelis are continuing their military operation in gaza. they are going after tunnels from gaza into israel and going after rocket launchers. they say they went into this operation thinking that hamas had about 10,000 rockets and missiles. they think about 6,000 of them are gone. either that they were launched against israel or destroyed but they say hamas has 4,000 left and they also say that the hamas fighters seem to be a lot more
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disciplined, more trained, better professionally in dealing with the israel lee operation than they thought was the case a few years ago. so this is a real battle that continues. i'm not very encouraged there will be a seize fire any time soon, although, that would certainly be good. >> carl, what israel says they will do an investigation, is there anybody on the ground there in gaza actually capable of doing investigation, whether it's the u.n., whether any other group? >> we don't believe right now from what we've seen, first of all, the chain of custody, we got back into that school more than three hours after the explosion occurred. the school had been completely evacuated. no staff were in place to secure the explosion site. we just walked in, took more photographs, took more video of the explosion site as we were in the compound. another ambulance drove in with three paramedics in and also civilian adult males in the rear of the ambulance dressed in
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civilian clothes. we don't know what their purpose was arriving back at the compound but clearly, this compound has not been secured and also presumably that means the chain of evidence is not secure, either. so very difficult to see how anybody could do a full investigation at this stage. the israeli military is not in control of that school or the surrounding area. that said, checking through records, checking through firing logs, perhaps, checking back with after action reports from its units perhaps israeli military could come up with some answer, doubtful that any of that kind of information would be coming forthcoming from any of the gaza militant factions, anderson. >> thank you. we'll take you up to malaysia flight 17 investigation. developments on the ground and in the air that could complicate a daunting job. the u.s. state department saying it has new evidence russia is firing artillery into eastern ukraine. the latest ahead.
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another complication of malaysia airlines flight 17 investigation. after seeing the crash site, the scene, the russians stepping up the threat on the boarder a new development. american claims some of the shells landing on eastern ukraine are coming from russian artillery. for that, we're joined by barbara starr. let's talk about the intelligence. russia could be firing artillery from their side of the ukrainian boarder? >> extraordinary but by all accounts true, anderson. earlier today the state department spoke about this in detail. let's quickly have a listen. >> we have new evidence that the russians intended to deliver heavy separatists. artillery from within russia military position.
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the u.s. has been looking at this for the last several days and the satellite and radar that tells them the russians have been showing for the last several days or even photos out there i think we can show everyone that u.s. intelligence is scrutinizing right now. these are artillery pieces and the u.s. is looking to see if it can demonstrate the claim russian soldiers are making that they took these pictures from the russian side of the boarder including artillery shells after they fired into ukraine. >> you reported yesterday russian troops are massing near the ukrainian boarder. how concerned are u.s. officials that could become an invasion for us? >> that would be the true dire consequence of all of this, the worst-case scenario aside from everything else going on in this region. u.s. officials tell me that they are just not sure what putin is up to. they believe he's in control of the forces, one leading theory right now is not preparing
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necessarily for an invasion but that basically, they are firing from the russian side to push back government forces on the ukraine side who have made some progress in taking back territory so that they can open up the russians, if you will, can open up some of this retaken territory for their pro-russian acceseparatists to move in and control. this continues day by day, really to be a hair trigger situation. >> thank you very much. whatever the russian role in flight 17's downing may be, it's clear from the reporting russia exerts influence from within the region. we know that. many believe that vladimir putin is not living up to his own words of a few days ago when he said everything possible must be done to safeguard the teams now there. earlier today i spoke about it, about mr. putin with the prime minister of the netherlands and the burden he and his country
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have been baring with grace and humani humanity. >> the netherlands have done an extraordinary job welcoming the victims back with dignity and honor and respect. you have said something fundamental changed last thursday when this plane was shot down. what has changed? >> well, as you can understand, we are a nation in mourning and the loss of 194 of my countrymen in total 298 in the plane has been earth more breaking and shattering experience for the whole country. it was extremely important yesterday as a nation to come together to stand shoulder by shoulder. >> the beauty of what you did yesterday and today was in contrast obviously to the horror we witnessed in eastern ukraine, not just in the downing of the plane but treatment of your citizens and citizens from
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around the world for the last several days. there may be as many as 100 people still left at the crash site. i spoke to on osce monitor today at the crash site today with malaysians and australian investigators. he found human remains. it appears no one right now is doing anything systematically to find all the victims still laying out there and to bring them back one week since the crash. is this acceptable to you? >> no, that is why we will increase our effort to bring home all the victims of this disaster. we will send into the crash site a large number of people from the netherlands, experts, forensic experts, people from the police who are trained to deal with this type of work and these issues. they will start tomorrow and we
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will have in total around 50 people working there from sunday on ward. we will again rebuild our capacity in the field at the crash site to recover the remaining remains and as much as possible their personal belongings. >> on saturday, you said that russia's president vladimir putin must act to allow access to the crash site. double he's done all he can? >> i've been on the phone now for six times. it's always difficult to assess why things have been moving a bit further and a bit more swiftly than at the start of the crash investigation and the recovery of the victims. it started awfully slow. the pictures were heartbreaking for the relatives and families for the whole nation, for the
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whole country. >> do you have any doubt vladimir putin has armed and packed these pro-russian rebels in eastern ukraine? there is a report saying in the u.s. there is a belief that russia is firing from russian territory into eastern ukraine. >> i wanted to get to the bottom of this. i don't believe i'm furthering the process or helping the process by pointing my finger. i want to base this evidence from our intelligence community and be working very closely together with the american and communities and the support from president obama and the fact that he visited our embassy in washington and was writing a book of condolence has been a very moving, has been a very moving experience for the netherlands. we highly valued the fact that he did. >> appreciate it, thank you very
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much. just ahead, more evidence but even now, the crash site is practically abandoned. also, the identification and forensic examination of the victim's remains begun. it's a challenging job to say the least. dr. sanjay gupta is on the ground where the work is being done and we'll talk to a pathologist who helped families identify victims of 9/11. so factors like diet can negatively impact good bacteria? even if you're healthy and active. phillips digestive health support is a duo-probiotic that helps supplement good bacteria found in two parts of your digestive tract. i'm doubly impressed! phillips' digestive health. a daily probiotic. hi, credit report site andour i have a problem. i need to speak with your fraud resolution department. ugh, we don't have that. what should i tell him? just make that super annoying modem noise... ( ee...dong...shuuuhh...)
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ivan watson told us something inconceivable. he came back from the flight where 17 crashed and it was deserted, there was no real investigation as far as he could tell, no one looking for the bodies of 100 people still lying in the fields. today as we ask phil black to go back to the site to see if anything changed, the short answer was not much. here is his report. >> reporter: this is the biggest international presence scene at ms-17 crash site. the organization for security and corporation in europe traveling with investigators and diplomats from malaysia and
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australia. for the first time, the observing mission looked beyond the grassy fields and pushed into a dense forest. they found small, scattered pieces and this. so far, it's the largest single piece of mh-17est fuse lodge to be discovered. the impact was cushioned by the forest, some windows are still in tact. according to the european monitors, the investigators from australia are surprised by two things, firstly, the sheer size of the debris field and the fact that one week since the disaster, there is still in exclusion zone surrounding it. at this site, observers and experts study the front end of the cockpit. this is where emergency workers caused significant damage a few days ago cutting into the wreckage with a high-powered saw and it's also where the metal debris is marked by numerous puncture marks, possible signs of shrapnel damage from a
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mid-air aexplosion. moving in convoy across the crash zone and at sometimes unfriendly militant escort, there is nobody examining evidence. this, the site of a major recent air disaster is quiet. it looks abandoned and there is no on going operation to find victims' bodies among surrounding fields and farm land. that's a concern because monitors found yet more evidence, the original search effort was less than thorough. >> human remains for the second day in a row, we did spot human remains. >> again today, as well. >> yes. >> reporter: one week on, international experts are on the ground in small but growing numbers. but the wreckage of mh-17 is still not being treated with the care it deserves. phil black, cnn, eastern ukraine. well, again, today in stark contrast to what phil black saw, we bore witness to the dignified
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reception of casket after casket at an air field in the netherlands. each one given the same dignified, treatment, the same care being treated for they are mothers and children, treasured friends, countrymen and women. human day is plain to see and feel in their journey hope, the next step, identification and forensic examination. dr. sanjay gupta joins us from where that is taking place and forensic pathologist who served in the new york city medical examiner's office in the wake of 9/11. sanjay, you were there as the second procession of coffins came today. investigators have the incredibly difficult task of making identifications. what do we know where the process stands now? >> yeah, i did see that per session came in. it was an incredibly moving thing. i was amazed how quiet and respectful it was, behind me is the military base.
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you have 75 investigators from different countries around the world that represent the countries from where the passengers were on that plane and it's the process has started. my understanding is talking to some folks here, they create stations within this large military base to try to begin this process of identification starting with basic things first and then other things, you know, looking at identifying features of the remains, maybe clothing or jewelry or something that's unique about the person. they get medical records, dental records and then also dna analysis. it's really remarkable. they have to talk to these families. they have to go obtain some of these things from families who have just gone through this incredible loss. it's challenging work, both in terms of medical and scientific aspects but psychological aspects for these examiners, anderson. >> you worked to identify victims at ground zero after 9/11, what are some challenges
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that are unique to tragedies involving a large number of fatalities like this? >> well, in this case the challenges are not just the large number of fatalities but also the forces at work here. just like in 9/11, where we have planes and then the collapse of the building so it's an explosion as well as a collapse and then fires and here we have an explosion at a high altitude and descent of remains over a long distance and a large area. then there is also the delay, as you mentioned, of its been about a week, so decomposition is playing a factor, as well. >> dr. melinek, you're an expert on this, but just in a personal level, how do you do this? how do you -- i mean, i'm trying to imagine those 75, you know, workers with the dozens of people who have thus far come in, not even complete people in some cases, how do you get
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through each day? >> it's incredibly difficult if you never worked a mass disaster before. when you are training, you learn to desensitize to be able to put on your hat and put on your gear and go and do the work the next day because the most important thing is there are people at the other end who are waiting for results. there are family members grieving and they want closure. so that is the motivation. >> sanjay, i know you've been through this training, as well. is there any sense of how long this process is going to take? because obviously, there are still, you know, estimates of this perhaps as many as 100 people still in fields in eastern ukraine who haven't been found yet. i assume there is just in timeline for this. >> there really isn't. the first and foremost goal is to return these remains to the people who love them and to get that absolutely right to not make mistakes. i mean, look, this is a science but in someways, not a perfect
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science, either after the oklahoma city bombing, for example eight years later, it was discovered there were remains, that was buried in the wrong coffin. after hurricane katrina, anderson, nine years later, there were 31 unidentified remains still. that's horrifying. it's emotionally catastrophic, as you might imagine. the close sure is not there for those families perhaps and so it's something that they don't want to rush. >> certainly sanjay appreciate you being there and dr. melinak thank you. just ahead tonight, the latest on efforts to free the ukrainian journalist while freelancing for cnn. he's not the first journalist to be targeted in the war zone where flight 17 was shot down. [ female announcer ] there's a gap out there.
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the flight 17 crash site. a journalist was seized by gunman outside a hotel no donetsk on tuesday. he was working as a freelancer for us, cnn. the u.s. state department is calling his detention a kidnapping and human rights groups are demanding his release. ivan watson joins me with the latest. so ivan, freelance journalist, take me exactly through what happened, how he was abducted. i understand there are men waiting for him at the hotel? >> that's right, our tv crew with my colleague phil black was coming back from the malaysian air flight disaster zone on tuesday evening. they pulled up just outside this hotel and there were a group of gunmen in green camouflage with the vice premiere of the donetsk people's republic standing waiting for them with a folder of documents they got his id and
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detained him, marched him into a car and drove him away. they told us he was a very dangerous person, that he was a ukrainian agent and we've been trying to secure his release ever since. >> now an official with this self-declared donetsk people's republic, they accused him of terrorism and said they presented evidence allegedly taken from his facebook page but they since walked back that acquisition, yes? >> yeah, at first, it was that he had allegedly been posting ransoms for the killings of separatists fighters but within a couple hours, it was well, he was carrying three different ids with three different last names on them. we got a brief phone call from him on wednesday, he basic recalled and said i'm okay, i'm being questioned at the headquarters of office and the call was cut off and we don't know if the call was made under duress. >> scary times right now. in terms of other
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developmentmedevelopments in the ukraine, you obtained video of a mass grave allegedly the work of rebels. >> that's right. a human rights watch researcher returned from the town and then the ukrainian government took back control of the town and there he documented and shared video of ukrainian officials uncovering what appears to have been a mass grave with at least eight bodies inside. now human rights watch interviewed eyewitnesss there that said they had seen rebels burying the bodies, which are at a location next to the city morgue on june 11th, when the rebels were in control of the city. it's not clear who the victims were or how they died but human rights watch reported that there were some people waiting there at the site, waiting for their missing loved ones and that there has been a terrible record
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of disappearances and executions taking place in that city while it was in the control of the separatists. >> ivan watson, appreciate it. up next tonight, honoring the victims of flight 17. more remains return to the netherlands. i'm living the life of dreams. i'm living the life of dreams, with good people all around me.
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-- captions by vitac -- the sound that echoed from one end of the netherlands to the other, sadness and strength as people paid respects and caskets came home. two more planes carrying remains of flight 17 victims landed in the netherlands today. 74 coffins today, 74 waiting hearses. once again, a per session. >> our community is really in shock. ♪ ♪ >> everybody has a person who is involved with one of the vict s
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victims. ♪ ♪ >> everybody is a sat feeling. it is also we are, i feel a little bit of anger, as well, because an accident can happen and afterwards, you should treat people with respect. >> this is very respectful to the people that we lost and it's unbelievable. it's unbelievable. >> i can imagine the people are angry but when they stay in a situation of love, i think that the violence of death makes it,
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the violence of love gives the chance to love. >> the violence of love. that does it for us. we'll see you at 11:00 for another edition of 360. "the sixties" starts now. the communists seem to be putting on the defense on a number of fronts. >> we're behind and i'm sure they are making a concentrated effort to stay ahead. >> we may get beaten more. there are no cheap or easy victories in the game. >> we are aware of the international implications of the project but we're not in this for the race aspects. >> rockets for a lunar trip are being built. >> the first guards towards the stars