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violence, u.s. secretary of state john kerry. kerry expected to speak out later this afternoon, outlining a plan to halt the blood shed sleet for a little while. the faa could reinstate the ban on flights to israel. a cnn crew caught the iron dome in action shooting down a rocket over the skies of tel aviv. we'll cover the stories in both sides. i want to take you to a hospital in gaza devastated by the dead and wounded in yesterday's attack on an u.n. shelter. itn's dan rivers has that story. >> reporter: they had come here seeking refuge, but today, the war came to their school. the playground pep perred with shells. the results were devastating.
a few minutes later, we watched the first casualties arrive at the local hospital, child after bloody child. this boy reeling in shock as doctors are lost the battle to save a member of his family. for more than 30 minutes, the ambulance crews flooded this tiny hospital with more and more victims. they are running out of room in this triage center as ambulance after ambulance has arrived with dozens of injured people, including many children. one of the youngest, this six-month-old baby boy has shrapnel in his back. there's no time for anesthetic as doctors pluck out the shards of metal to make room for the next patient. meanwhile, the father is
hysterical. he said his family was waiting to be evacuated by red cross. he said his children were blown away like pieces of paper. everywhere we looked, faces contorted in pain. terrible, for many, it was too much. >> you want to tell me that this is the responsible thing? is this a responsible thing to kill the children? the old women? the children? what? >> reporter: the mayhem of this day will never be forgotten by these people. for many, the injuries will be life-changing. agony too for those yet to live there. in the end, the children were being treated on floor so great
they were in number. and most with the same injuries, shards of metal, lacerating their tiny bodies. how many children have been brought in? >> so much. >> reporter: the price of this war is etched on each and every face here, staring blankly back in shock, the innocent victims of this relentless conflict. >> thanks to dan rivers for that report. both hamas and israeli military blame each other on the attack on this school that was acting as a u.n. shelter. wolf, is there any indication on who was responsible for the attack on this school? >> well, hamas clearly blames the israelis for this attack and they make no qualifications at all. what israel says, what the idf
says they are investigating right now. they say it's possible it could have been an errant israeli missile or shell, but they also say it's possible, it could have been a hamas rocket that landed short. was aimed toward israel but landed inside the gaza strip. they say there have been many examples of that over these past couple of weeks. they say they are investigating. everyone agrees it's awful and the pictures are devastating. it under scores, carol, the need for a cease-fire and the israeli security cabinet, the eight members of the security cabinet, led by the prime minister, they are in tel aviv, meeting in an emergency session right now. they are considering this latest proposal that was conveyed to the prime minister by secretary of state john kerry last night. we'll see what they decide. there is division. we know that from within the israeli cabinet. we'll see what the majority though decides to do and we'll have to see what hamas decides to do. they are under some pressure
from qater to go along and accept a week long cease-fire. if that happens and it works during that period they can begin the process of dealing with some of the other long term issues. that's not going to be easy by any means. there's no guarantee it will work but it's a very ten uous moumt right now. >> these are palestinians and they are becoming more and more angry. there is a danger of this turning into a larger, regional war. is that what hamas wants? >> it certainly would be what hamas wants because hamas right now has sucked the israelis into a ground war in gaza. few people thought based on the experience of 2008-2009 that hamas would have that much fight in them given that the israeli military is one of most advanced, well prepared military forces in the world, accident
yet hamas and other militant factions have clearly spent money and time training and developing new tactics and they have had a devastating effect on the israeli military, inflicting more casualties now, three times more in fact than they did in the 2008-2009 confrontation and now we see these uprisings in the west banch. it says several things. that palestinians, regardless of their political affiliations, either with hamas or with fatah or other palestinian factions seems to think that the root cause is palestinian rights and that seems to be opening up a second front on the the west bank. that means the israelis will have their hands full to contain that as well and the longer that goes on and the more there is a popular uprising, then that is something that hamas could exploit and feel emboldened by that and maybe that means they won't be looking in a hurry for a ses fire.
>> thanks so much. tensions are ratcheting up too this morning as the border between ukraine and russia seems increasingly tested. just a couple of hours ago, moscow accused ukrainian forces firing 40 mortars into russian territory. washington now says it has proof that russia is not only arming rebels in eastern ukraine, actually firing artillery from russian soil. america's highest ranking military officer had some sobering words about vladimir putin. >> if i have a fear about this, it's that putin may actually light a fire that he loses control of. >> let's bring in barbara starr at the pentagon. disturbing words from general dempsey. >> this is one of the most calm circumspect officers in the u.s. military ever. for him to say something like this, that reflects deep worry.
all the intelligence on all sides indicates this is a situation that's not getting any calmer. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence is scrutinizing these photos, believed to be taken near the russia-ukraine border thought to show russian artillery used to fire into ukraine. cnn has learned u.s. intelligence satellites and radars have monitored repeated artillery fire from the russian side of the border for the last several days. >> we have new evidence that the russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful rocket launchers to the separatist forces in ukraine. >> reporter: with a maximum range of 20 miles on some artillery, the russians are moving their forces closer to the border so they can hit targets inside ukraine. they may be stepping up the hostilities to protect the
moscow-backed rebels. >> they are being pushed back in a couple of key cities and i think they are getting -- russia is getting very concerned about this. >> reporter: the u.s. considers russian president vladimir putin to be in firm control of his forces, but the u.s. questions whether the russian leader has an even more aggressive military plan in mind. >> i certainly hope that russia does not use these forces to say, hey, we're going in this area and secure the ground because ukraine has not done that, and use it as an excuse to occupy territory. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence also sees evidence, even more russian forces are flowing to the border region. with indications that the troops include special forces and vehicles for rapid movement across that border, if ordered. so where are we right now? well, u.s. intelligence currently estimates there are about 15 distinct russian military formations on the border with up to 1,000 russian
troops and each of them, that shows you how much the tensions are rising. >> thank you. more solemn journeys today as the netherlands receive two planes with remains. they have lost nearly 200 people on the flight. in moving attributes to all victims, at least 200 experts will now work on identifying the remains so they can eventually be returned to their loved ones. i'll be back. thank ythank you for defendiyour sacrifice. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them.
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for the third day in a row, the netherlands is going about the grim task of receiving victims from the crash of malaysia airline flight 17. the images so moving as dutch citizens line the streets to pay respects and share their heart break with the world. now that international grief is mixed with anger, much of it pointed at russia and its support of the rebels who it is believed shot down that airliner. news week shows a photo of vladimir putin, and has the titles the pariah. >> brian stelter, our senior media correspondent. good morning, brian. >> good morning. >> what do you think about these magazine covers? because i actually enjoyed them. >> there sure is no subtly lost
in these and it's a narrative of sorts we're seeing. a west versus east narrative that some people have described as cold war two. it could be history repeating itself or it could be just lazy journalists falling back on to old metaphors. re-using them after many years. >> i'm probably a lot older than you, so i can well remember the cold war and it sure feels that way to me, so i don't know about the lazy journalism part. >> we don't live in the world where there were only two big super powers. now the u.s. is the only super power. russia is not a global power even if it may try to act like it sometimes and the threats the u.s. faces are from many different directions, the challenges from many different directions, not just russia. to me, cold war doesn't seem it captures where we are now. am i wrong? >> although, you can argue
president putin is certainly causing a lot of trouble right at the moment because nobody seems to know how to rein him in. >> some of it is about different sets of facts of the, what the russian public learns about vladimir putin is different from what the american people learns about him. someone compare him to ronald raegan. the ronald raegan of russia. to the russian public that sounds quite right. i was watching the russian cable channel and what you hear there is so different, the sets of facts are so different from what you hear in the u.s., in many cases, of course, not supported by evidence, but it can contribute to the sense that he's very popular there, even though i think the word pariah is appropriate here on the cover of news week. >> i wanted to read an op ed.
this is how they are writing about him on russian control media. here's the spin war verdict. the current malaysian airlines traelinged, the second in four months is terrorism perpetrated by pro russian separatists armed by russia and putin is the main culprit. end of story. anyone who believes otherwise, shut up, why? because cia said so. because hillary, we came we saw he died, clinton said so. because crazy samantha rtp power said so. thundering at the u.n., everything dual printed in the neocon-infested washington post. >> it all gets to be kind of incomprehensible after a while, if you live in that bubble and you don't look outside of that bubble, you can be persuaded. >> maybe so. i'm sure you are going to talk a lot more about this this weekend, right? >> absolutely. the information wars we're
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secretary of state john kerry works to hammer out a cease-fire deal between hamas and israel, the faa says it might consider reinstating the flight ban to and from tel aviv for all u.s.-based carriers. one israeli official says ben gurion is absolutely safe and places like l.a.x. are much more dangerous for travelers. >> that was a major setback in israel. >> it was. and it was wrong. listen, l.a.x. is ten times more dangerous than the israeli ben gurion airport because the traffic is so big comparing to us. >> there are no rockets flying around l.a.x. >> there are no rockets flying around the ben gurion airport. >> there was one landed -- >> there was one landed more than a mile away. the minute we presented the faa with the details and the facts of the matter, they say okay you can go back and fly. it's totally safe to fly israel
and i recommend it by the way to everyone who wants to come in. >> is it safe? pamela brown has more on that. >> well, carol, we have learned the first flight from the u.s. has landed in tel aviv since that ban was lifted. two u.s. officials tell us that the threat is the same as it was tel aviv. the big change since it was lifted, according to these officials, is that israel has shared more information about airport defenses. sources say since tuesday there have been intense discussions among the faa, the intelligence community, and other u.s. government agencies with israel and what came out of that partly rgs according to these sources is that israel was able to adjust certain protocols and procedures to convince u.s. officials it would be safe for planes flying into and out of ben bur i don't know airport. it is ul ultimately up to u.s. airlines. in the background all of that, the ban was more politics than
safety. former mayor michael bloomberg flew to israel to protest the ban. u.s. officials are keeping a very close eye on the situation in tel aviv and will put it back in place if need be. >> let's bring in rabbi lewis. and also peter goels. i want to start with your story. you went to israel on july 9th, with a group of kids, 11 to 15 and things were starting to heat up at that point. did you expect them to get as bad as they did, as they have? >> it's hard to say. there were 21 folks from our congregation. we had planned this trip many months ago. four of them were youngers, ages 11 to 15. one had a bar mitzvah.
though we knew there were tensions and friction, we didn't know what was going to be. there was a little hesitancy on a part of a few of our members, but they talked, we talked, and we all decided we were going to go ahead with the trip and we did. >> so as the days went by, did you get a little more nervous? >> i can say that i was so proud of the people that were on our trip as well as the israelis. there was never, even when there were sirens, there was never panic, fear, anxiety. in fact, i believe that our people felt that they were really there not only as tourists but making a statement that they were not going to be -- they were not going to be set off, put off by what was going on. venttle but there were rockets going overhead and you were a little nervous at that point. didn't you duck into the u.s. embassy at one point? >> we ducked into the u.s. embassy. i will tell you we were nervous -- i wouldn't say we
were nervous. we were cautious. the first day we were there, we were in a shop, we heard an explosion. a number of our folks ran out, took pictures of the iron dome, and we continued shopping. we continued eating. we continued touring, and it was again with -- one was cautious, that's all you had to be. it was safe. nobody, especially the children, feared in any way the entire two weeks we were there. >> so you guys go to the airport and you are ready to come back to atlanta and what happens? >> well, we didn't get to the airport. we were notified by delta that the planes -- the flights were canceled, so we got together in our rooms and we began to scramble. we worked with our travel agent here who did a marvelous job in rebooking all of us and we went back in different increments, we had six folks went back right away. they took the el-al airline to europe. then from europe, they flew back. we traveled with several people and went to amsterdam in the
hotel and returned yesterday. in a sense, i felt like moses, i had been in the promised land and was trying to get out of promised land, and even when we were finally coming into atlanta, there was a storm as you know yesterday, so we were diverted to knoxville, so it was very frustrating, we came home and we were convinced it was the right thing and we have two other families that are still there and will be returning one tomorrow and one on monday. >> let me ask you this question, do you think that the faa acted wisely in canceling your flight? well, actually delta canceled your flight. do you think that was a wise decision? >> i'm not going to second guess what they do and what the motives were, whether it was politics or a real concern or whether there were protocols that are in place. all i can say the airport was filled with tourists and el-al had no problems and british airways was also flying.
were we up set about it? of course, we were wanting to head home. there were concerns that they might reinstate the ban and i certainly hope that is not the case. >> rabbi, thank you very much. i want to bring in peter goels right now. you heard what the rabbi said. is there any need to fear going into israel and flying in and out of the airport in tel aviv? >> well, i think that's the decision that the faa and the security agencies of the united states is continually reviewing. what i do know, having worked with the faa for 20 years, and knowing the top administrator and his top people, the reason we have the safest air travel system in the world is because the faa makes tough, unpolitical decisions based on how you keep the traveling public safe. they made this decision based on the facts that they had, and they will make future decisions
based on the facts as well. any charges that this is political is really just demogogury. if you are an air carrier and you are flying into a challenging area, if one of your planes is taken down, you are facing enormous liability for making that decision. already, plaintiffs attorneys across this country and across the world are planning to sue malaysia airways for negligence because they were flying in an approved airspace at 33,000 feet over the ukraine, but they are claiming that that was dangerous. so it really is a very difficult situation. >> so just this morning, a canadian flight had to circle the airport in tel aviv to avoid this rocket fire coming in. i mean the iron dome intercepted the rocket. we assumed everything was fine,
but that canadian flight had to circle the airport until all danger was passed. in your estimation, should the ban be reinstated or not? >> i don't have enough information to make that kind of decision. i trust the faa. i trust the department of homeland security that they are not going to put u.s. air passengers in any danger and i trust the air carriers to look at the risk and to make the right decision. i mean the reason why the rabbi, rabbi lewis was diverted last night to knoxville and as irritating as it can be, they made the decision that it was not safe to land in atlanta and they went to an alternate airport. that's the decisions you want pilots and you want dispatchers to make, and you want air carriers to make. you want them to fly safe. >> peter goels, rabbi lewis, thank you for joining us. we really appreciate it. i'll be right back. ..
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this news just in to cnn. the ukrainian state emergency services along with the head of the dutch police team will hold a news conference in just about 19 minutes s 11:00 a.m. eastern time. they are expected to talk about mh-17 and where the investigation is right now. we also expect them to mention the crash site, if there's easy access to the crash site for investigators. again, there will be a news conference at the top of the hour and they include the head of dutch police team and also the ukrainian state emergency services people, and they will talk about what is the latest in the investigation into the takedown of malaysian airlines 17. in other news this morning, president obama meets today with his counterparts from honduras, guatemala and el salvador. the goal to solve the border
crisis where floods of central american children are at the u.s. border. >> all these three leaders from central american countries wanting to the obama administration with a unified message. the guatemalan president probably stating it best, first of all to share with the obama administration what they are doing in their home countries to try to solve this issue, things like their campaigns to discourage their people to take that dangerous trek to the united states, how they are prosecuting smugglers and the role of the first ladies of these three countries in trying to combat these crisis. we should add that these three ladies have been on the front lines, visiting children and talking to mothers as well. the second part of this visit is their goal is to make sort of arrangement with the united states, to work together with the united states to develop a five to ten-year plan to solve
one of the biggest issues they are dealing with and we're talking about the ruthless violence in these central american countries. they are hoping to tackle the trans national crime, drug trafficking and human smuggling. they know the same trek that they use for these children, that's the same route that's used by these drug traffickers. that's what makes it so dangerous. >> i want to bring in the democrat from texas, congressman cuellar. good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> is anything happening in congress as far as immigration legislation? >> i think this emergency bill will probably be presented next week, and as you know, next week is the last week before we go off to our districts, so we got one week and we got to get this job done.
it will be a terrible message for the -- for our constituents for us to go home and not address this issue before the july 31st deadline. >> congressman as you know there is a big concern that your colleagues will leave for august recess without fixing this problem. i want to remind you what you said when i last interviewed you. should lawmakers go home, should they say in washington until a solution is found? >> we should stay in washington, d.c. till we find a solution. absolutely, you are correct. >> and you would do that? >> yes, i would. >> so will you still stay? >> yes. i mean, i certainly hope i'm not the only one here but i certainly hope that the rest of the members of congress stay here until we resolve this. we cannot go home, call this a humanitarian crisis with homeland security, having the presidents from central america
coming up here saying they want to work with us and for us to go home without a solution would be a terrible message that will follow us down to our districts if we dare to go home without finding a solution to this emergency humanitarian crisis that we have. >> is there any bill that's close to anything, like being acted on? >> well, you know, we have the emergency bill, the senate has a version, the house is going to come up with its version. we are going to add some language on the house side, and, again, you know, president obama asked us to look at this language back on the june 30th letter that he sent off to the leaders, even people like hillary clinton are saying that we got to look at a full package here, funding, and open to some changes to the human trafficking law. there's a loophole here that those smugglers have taken advantage of. there's a super highway that they are using to smuggle billions of drugs into the u.s. they have been trafficking
adults for many years, now they find a new market and that market is those poor innocent children that they are taking advantage of and that's what we got to go at. it's a very comprehensive plan, working with the countries in central america, but at the same time not only looking at u.s. border as the -- you know, the first yard, the defense we've been playing for so many years, we've got to be smarter how we address this issue. >> i want to ask you about the national guard. is it a good idea to put national guard troops on the border? >> if people think that the national guard is going to be military -- if we're going to militaryize the border, that's wrong. if they think they are going to do immigration control, the national guard does not have that authority, but if they do their humanitarian support like they have done in disasters in different parts of the country or they go in just specifically like they have done in the past for so many years to support border patrol, i can understand those two specific purposes, but
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ohio state university band director jon waters was known for jaw-dropping precision half time shoes. yes, the best damn band in the land, ohio state is dropping him for allegedly allowing rampant sexual harassment. his lawyer says he was trying to change the sexualized culture, but the problem existed years before his tenure. cnn is following the story from new york and this was one of the milder accusations, right. >> we cannot get into specifics on this. here's what happened, it was in may that a parent of one of the band members went to the university and said i believe
that there is an environment that is encouraging sexual harassment and a sexuality within this band, so that launched a two-month investigation within the university's office of compliance. today released a 23-page report, and let me go into some of the things that they say, and i will not be specific on this, but they have a semi formal event every year for band members and within that event, they are sworn to secrecy that they can never disclose what happens within the band at all. following that, around midnight, they have the midnight ramp, which means they have to walk across the football field in their underwear. it goes on from there. ban members are given nick naims and i will say 50%, are sexual nicknames but those nicknames go on and follow them even in the alumni directly. there are tricks they are
encouraged to perform in the band, simulating sexual positions. rookie introductions they talk about where a first year band member walks through the bus while other band members try to take their clothes off and there is groping the report states. also, mid term exams are given with sexual questions where you are asked to describe in a sexual nature of your fellow band members. and there was a news letter called triptik which reported on gossip. jonathan waters put a stop to that. this dsh his attorney is saying this is a good man and did everything he could to stop that environment. >> this is cnn breaking news. we've been telling you that the u.s. secretary of state has been trying to broker some sort of truce or cease-fire between israel and hamas, there may be a
tiny glimmer of vote. there's more on his possible plan. tell us more, elise. >> reporter: sources -- i can hear you. i can hear you. you hear me? >> go. your shot just broke up for a second. go ahead. preept -- repeat. >> reporter: diplomatic sources are telling me that secretary kerry and the egyptian foreign minister are moving closer toward a possible cease-fire between the israelis and palestinians. we're not talking about a permanent cease-fire. we're talking about a one-week humanitarian truce. this situation in gaza is very dire and that one-week truce would be able to get some of the victims out, get some medical supplies in, but what sources are telling me is that they hope this could be used as a beginning, an opening for negotiations on some of these underlying, political, security and economic issues that we've been talking about all week. reopening the borders of gaza.
israeli has a lot of concerns about hamas continuing to hold on to these rocket caches. what would happen is the hope there would be fuller talks between u.s. and palestinians and egypt, and israel. other countries would be involved. hamas has not bought in 100%. we're told that the u.s. is working with qatar and turkey to get hamas for that final buy-in but key details of the plan still need to be worked out, including an israeli proposal for troops to remain in gaza even while this one-week truce happens. >> we'll see what happens. secretary of state john kerry expected to say something later this afternoon. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello, "@this hour" with berman and michaela after a break. a woman who loves to share her passions.
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