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the voice of reason. that's it for us "at this hour." thanks for joining us. >> "legal view" starts right now. hello, everyone, i'm jake tapper. it's tuesday, july 29th. welcome to "legal view." a day of hellacious fighting in gaza is about to give way to a night that could be just as bad and perhaps darker as most. not only have israel and the palestinian militants of hamas not agreed on a cease fire hamas late today rejected a truce proposed by other palestinian leaders. earlier, an artillery strike hit gaza's only power plant, cutting electricity to homes, hospitals and water pumps in gaza. a hamas-run radio station and the ministry of finance also came under israeli attack.
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so far, more than 1,100 palestinians have been killed in the conflict. the one that israel calls "operation protective edge." the u.n. says most of those are civilians. they also say that more than 180,000 palestinians are packed into shelters. 56 israelis have been killed. 53 of the 56 were soldiers. the numbers are grim. but the sounds can be downride terrifying. my cnn colleague karl penhaul was on the air this morning from gaza city when a missile hit right behind him. take a listen. >> -- that you would ever see -- [ explosion ] >> karl joins me live. we've seen smoke from the power plant fire all morning. what is the latest on that? how extensive are these power outages caused as a result? >> well, really, from what we understand, there is, now, no power being generated by that
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gaza power company power plant, after an israeli tank shell hit the diesel fuel tanks that is storing the fuel that powers that power plant. that is the chief of the gaza power company that gave us that. just south of where we are now, you can see the smoke billowing from that power plant. it is out of service. by all accounts it could be out of service for a year now. so really what that means is now the people of gaza have to survive with their own small generators. and that has added already to the fact a lot of the infrastructure has been hit. so it really is increasing the suffering on the civilian population. and of course the civilian population is something that we have tried to put at the front and center of our coverage. and once again, yesterday, an explosion in a residential neighborhood here in gaza that ended up killing eight children and two adults on the first day of eid, that's the end of ramadan celebrations. there were a lot of people in the streets. death spread all around.
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let's take a look at this. you'll never get to meet little mohammad. but his friend next door wants to tell you a bit about him. top of the class at math, barcelona football star lionel me messi was his hero. he worshiped messi, she says. this child is 12 years old. glass sprayed on me. it was so loud, so terrifying, i can't even describe it, she says. mohammad was just yards from his front door. witnesses say he and the other kids were playing toy guns. they call it dum-dum. the plastic pistol now broken. the children all dead.
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she lists their names. it's a sight he should never have seen. i saw a boy cut up right there, over there, a man, he looked dead, and i saw a boy who was dead too, he says. just 8 years old. he mans up and describes the explosion. bloody hand mark in a doorway. a lucky escape for them. but not for their grandfather. they say he died buying them holiday candy. i saw grandpa. his head was cut. his arms and legs were cut. he was all cut up, they say. witnesses young and old say they heard a drone and then the sound of a missile fired on to their street. while we were there, we saw a
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militant rocket launched about a mile away. the warring factions blame each other. we've heard their excuses before. but there's no excuse for this. or this. just look at the hole this shrapnel has blasted in this car door. imagine the damage that would do to a child's body. as i sit on the pavement with the child, the ambulance arrived with young mohammad's body. i want to go and see my cousin, he says. sorry you may never have met mohammed but it's already time to say good-bye. this is a dirty war. here in gaza, of course, it's
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shaping up to be dirtier than most words. we cannot let the casualties on either side of the divide die an anonymous death. we really do have to strive to put a name and a face to them, jake. >> heartbreaking. karl penhaul in gaza city, thank you so much. let's get some insights right now from muwen rue banny, a palestinian journalist, and senior fellow for the institute for palestinian studies. he joins me from italy. i want to ask you about this reported attempt by palestinian leaders in the west bank to put forth a cease-fire proposal, only to have hamas reject it, before israel could even respond. what is hamas hoping to achieve? is there any way to get them to agree to a cease-fire? >> well, i think hamas has stated that clearly it supports a cease-fire, that it's not opposed to cease-fire in principle, but it has to be a credible arrangement. in other words, one that ensures
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that these type of barbaric attacks, as has been just so movingly presented, stops, and not resumed whenever israel decides to start bombing citizens again. and second of all, the underlying cause of the conflict, the seven-year illegal blockade of the entire population of the gaza strip, is addressed and lifted. my understanding is that the -- that hamas and the other palestinian factions in the gaza strip are insisting on credible amendments to the proposal that was put forward by the egyptians, and that until those amendments are presented, that they can't accept the cease-fire proposal in its current form. >> the israeli prime minister, netanyahu, originally said that when gaza is quiet, israel will be quiet. now, obviously, the ground war and other parts of the israeli
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military campaign have changed that equation. now they're going after tunnels. but that initial proposal, that initial premise, if you will, from netanyahu, if gaza is quiet, israel will be quiet, does that seem unreasonable to you? >> well, i think, as any american leader who has dealt with netanyahu would tell you, he's particularly proficient at speaking out of both sides of his mouth. this illegal assault on the entire gaza strip was a premeditated attack by the israeli government. netanyahu can't say, one and the same time, that he wants a cease-fire, and is additionally further expanding the assault. it's either one or the other. now, my readings of the israeli press suggest that the israelis are dissatisfied with the
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passity of their military achievements in the gaza strip. true, they have engaged in the mass murder of something like 1,000 palestinian civilians, but in terps term, of hitting the military structure of hamas, they have virtually nothing to show for their efforts and are therefore coming under a lot of political pressure from their core constituencies to expand the assault. >> mr. rabani, i understand your position when it comes to prime minister netanyahu. do you think that hamas is leading the palestinian people, leading the people of gaza, in the right direction? >> i don't think anyone is leading the palestinians in the right direction. i think the more fundamental point here is that this is a premeditated and deliberate assault on the gaza strip, on the civilian population. on the civilian infrastructure. launched by the israeli government. i think the more fundamental
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point is to both question marks about israeli policy, about israeli actions, about israeli objectivings. and first and foremost in my view, about the total impunity with which israel is taking palestinian life by the bucketful and taking no accountability of any sort -- >> i take your point, sir, and we will be -- wolf blitzer later this hour will be asking questions of the israeli government and i'll be doing so later on my show at 4:00 p.m. eastern as well. specifically now, i'm talking about the palestinian leadership, specifically hamas. just one example cited by the israeli government is, why were these tunnels from gaza to israel -- not the survival tunnels from egypt to gaza, but the ones that hamas built from gaza to israel, why were they built, if not for what the israeli government alleges, terror attacks? >> well, my understanding, which
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reflects the understanding of most military experts, including israel's military experts, is that hamas constructed these tunnels in anticipation of precisely the type of assault on the gaza strip we're seeing now, and in order to be able to attack israeli military forces massed around the gaza strip. if you read the israeli press, it seems they've been rather effective in doing so. it's all well and good to talk about terrorism. look at the figuringe,figures. we have 1,200 palestinian dead. according to the u.n. and other sources, the majority of them civili civilians, including hundreds of children. and your correspondent just pointed out something like 50 israeli dead, 47 or more of whom are uniformed soldier. so it's a pertinent question, who is practicing terrorism here? >> thank you, mouan rabani,
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appreciate your time. later in the program, we'll get the israeli view. we're live from jerusalem here in about 20 minutes. the other big conflict in the world, the shootout of malaysia airlines flight 17. while investigators struggle to get to the crash site 12 days after the attack, new developments in the war between ukraine and pro-russian separatists. more missiles being fired right now. that story coming up next. my motheit's delicious. toffee in the world. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality.
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in ukraine. he called upon vladimir putin and the pro-russian rebels to scale back their fighting, and he threatened russia with large economic sanctions if it does not comply. >> president putin can make a huge difference here if he chooses to. and we, and our european partners, will take additional measures and impose wider sanctions on key sections of the russian economy if that is what we must do. >> shortly after secretary kerry finished speaking, an eu official confirmed to cnn that sanctions have been expanded against russian individuals and russian companies. kerry spoke on the heels of news today that ukrainian forces have escalated the fighting by firing short-range ballistic missiles at the rebels. it's the first time a weapon of this magnitude has been utilized in this conflict.
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we have cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr here. what kind of damage are these missiles capable of? >> well, jake, these are missiles that go about 50 miles, and carry 1,000-pound warhead. so you can only imagine the ukrainians turning to this by all accounts because so many of their aircraft have been shot out of the sky by the rebels. now going to this very significant escalation. using ground to ground, surface to surface, if you will, short-range ballistic missiles. nobody talking about this publicly. we broke the news here at cnn. three officials confirming to us that these launches happened over the last 48 hours. that u.s. intelligence spy satellites saw the launches, the infrared heat signature of the missile launches and were able to track them to where they landed. in the minds of the u.s., no doubt in their minds they were fired from ukrainian government positions against rebel positions along that southeastern border between
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ukraine and russia. now, i think the waiting game is to see if there will be any russian response to the escalation. jake. >> barbara, i'm confused as to whether this escalation by the ukrainian government comports with what the united states is trying to do in getting the pro-russian separatists and russia itself to stand down, to back away, from this assault on eastern ukraine. or whether they see this as being contrary to their goals. what is the u.s. government reaction? >> i think the read is that it is contrary, but it's so sensitive, no one is likely to company o come out and criticize ukraine's forces. one official telling us, look, they have a right to defend themselves. for example, we've seen all that satellite imagery released in recent days about russian maneuvering, where they're firing from, where their weapons are, where their weapons are
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heading inside ukraine. don't expect to see that same kind of satellite imagery this time. as one additional official said, these are the good guys, the ukrainian forces. these are the ones the u.s. support. behind the scenes, the u.s. absolutely pressing for deescalation for everybody to step back and to ratchet back. think about it this way. these missiles landed just about 15 miles from where the wreckage of mh-17 lies in those fields in ukraine. this is the area the u.s. wants to see come to some sort of standing peace, if you will, long enough to at least get inspectors and national personnel in there, get the wreckage, get the remains of the last bodies that may still be lying there. and right now, it is not headed in the right direction. jake. >> all right, barbara starr at the pentagon, thank you so much. let's find out some more about these expanded sanction, that the european union is putting into place against russia. our nic robertson joins us now live from moscow. nick, the sanctions, i'm told,
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target individuals and companies. what more do we know? any more specifics? >> yeah, this is going to target the arms industry. it's going to hurt, it's going to impact their ability to export, their ability to import, their ability to import dual-use materials, materials that might be useful in both the military and civilian sector, sensitive technologies will be included in that. the energy sector will also be targeted. again, that is a very sensitive thing for russia. it needs to import equipment if it's able -- if it wants, as it does, to develop new oil and gas fields. so that is certainly designed to impact on a much broader way. we understand that there will be eight people, cronies of putin is how they're described, they will be named on wednesday by the european union, they will also be impacted by sanctions. but i think what we're seeing emerge here is the most sensitive area for russia. president putin gave hint to
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that when he met with the government yesterday, anticipating these sanctions. called on the government to accelerate their efforts to make sure the country can import and bring in all it needs to sustain its defense sector in terms of raw materials and components, jake. >> all right, thank you, nic robertson. a family is breathing a little easier today after a man accused of molesting their son is taken down. what happened after his story showed up on cnn's show "the hunt with john walsh" coming up next. surrender to the power of accomodation grooveland ♪ booking.com booking.yeah!
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new details just in about that deadly shootout in new york, where a suspected child molester on the run for two years was killed yesterday, after police closed in. a source says a tip was called in on charles moz dir who lived in florida. cops were given his cell phone number. mozdir was wanted in california, accused of molesting his best friend's son. just more than a week ago, just over a week ago, the fugitive was profiled on cnn's new show, "the hunt with john walsh." deborah feyerick has more now on how police cracked this cold case. >> reporter: the search for suspected child molester and fugitive charles moss dezdir en here the shootout in the busy west village. >> fired upon the officers at very close range and the officers returned fire. >> reporter: members of the marshals new york/new jersey regional task force tracked him
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to new york following a tip that came in to "the hunt with john walsh." >> my son sat me down and said, mom, i have something to tell you. and he proceeded to tell me that charlie had touched him inappropriately. >> reporter: mozdir has recently been profiled on the show. one of the officers went inside and identified mozdir. he was alone, police say, inside that smoke shot. you can see it, it's the white doorway just past the stop sign. when members of the task force entered, that's when the shooting began. >> during the exchange, the detective and two marshals were wounded. charles mozdir was shot down. >> reporter: police say mozdir had grown a beard and had no intention of being taken quietly. >> a .32-caliber handgun was found. >> reporter: this woman took the photos after the shooting. >> i noticed a rather large crowd and some heavily armed police officers with helmets on, detectives, ambulance workers.
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>> reporter: one u.s. marshal shot in the leg. another injured in the arm. the nypd detective assigned to the task force shot in the abdomen. none of the injuries are believed to be life threatening. >> effectively, where you can see is where the round entered. >> reporter: mozdir was last seen two years ago in san diego after being accused of molesting a friend's 7-year-old son. at the time, police searched his home and found his cell phone with images of child porn and bestiality. his abandoned car was found soon after in georgia. the license plate removed and mozdir seemingly disappeared. deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. >> and later this hour, we'll bring you an interview with the reaction from john walsh himself. the child seat advocate and host of cnn's "the hunt." a major focus in israel's military campaign in gaza, a huge network of tunnels where the israeli government says supplies and weapons seem to have been on the move.
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hello, i'm jake tapper. we have some breaking news from the middle east. a very senior israeli official tells cnn's tim lister that israel is, quote, prepared for a cease-fire, unquote, but nothing firm has been agreed upon.
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as you may know, earlier today, palestinian government authorities proposed a cease-fire but hamas rejected them. wolf blitzer, my colleague, now joins me live from jerusalem. wolf, what do we know about any possible new movement towards a cease-fire? >> well, jake, we have the spokesman for the prime minister benjamin netanyahu with us here in our jerusalem studio. a lot of confusion right now, mark. is there going to be a cease-fire? is there not going to be a cease-fire? what is the latest? >> unfortunaernrtunatelunfortun torpedoed the chance for a diplomatic solution. just as today, as jake said, announced a cease fire then shortly afterwards hamas announces no, they're not part of this. israel over the days of this conflict has repeatedly accepted the egyptian proposal which calls for an immediate
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cease-fire. and then talks in cairo, hamas has rejected that. we've accepted humanitarian cease-fires to give the people in gaza a breather to move about, to buy food stuffs, to go to hospitals, to have a bit of time-out, hamas has either rejected them or violated them. so really the ball is in hamas' court. someone has to ask, do you want this to go on or do you want this to end? >> prime minister's security cabinet getting ready to convene in tel aviv. is a cease-fire on the table during this meeting? >> the ministers will of course review the military situation and the diplomatic situation. our goal is clear. our goal is to free the people of israel from the terror of these rocket attacks coming from gaza and from these tunnel attacks coming from gaza where we have people pop out of the ground with machine guns and
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explosives to kill and to murder, to kidnap people. so ultimately, that goal, those goals, can be achieved diplomatically or militarily or a combination of them both. but we will continue until that goal is achieved. >> if hamas accepts this palestinian authority initiative, i assume together with the egyptians for a cease-fire, is israel ready to accept it as well? >> there's a lot of ifs there. we've shown in the past that we've held our fire. we've shown in the past that we're willing to accept cease-fires. but hamas has always been the spoiler. hamas has always refused to hold their fire. in fact, in hamas' language, a cease-fire is only israel. it doesn't include them. obviously, that's not sustainable. we are ready for a period of sustained peace and security for the people of israel, for the people of gaza. we're ready to end this. but it has to be real. >> it looks like there's been a major escalation other the last 24 hours, and i anticipate later
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tonight as well, as israel's military campaign in gaza. what's going on? >> yesterday, we took a deliberate step to deescalate. the idf had orders only to work on the tunnels, which is defensive, and to protect our forces as that work goes ahead. of course, you understand why we have to deal with those tunnels, because that's a strategic threat to our people. but hamas took the israeli attempt to deescalate and chose to escalate. and we had rockets in the very north of our country. we had the terrorists coming across the border killing our people. we had mortars from gaza killing our people. so hamas threw away the chance yesterday to deescalate. that's why we are where we are today. >> did the army air force or artillery blow out one of the major power plants in gaza? >> we're not aware it was our fire. we've spoken to all the units. >> was that a target of the israeli military? >> no, it wasn't. >> because it's out, as you know. >> we don't know exactly what happened yesterday. as i said, we've investigated to see if it's our fire.
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apparently not. i remind you what we saw yesterday, where you see hamas munitions malfunctioning and falling in gaza. i've been told that some 10% of hamas rocket fire from gatz za into israel actually malfunctions, falls short and lands in gaza. >> mark rediv, thank you for joining us. the spokesman for the prime minister of israel netanyahu. if there's any great expectations a cease-fire was about to break out here between israel and hamas, doesn't look very likely, at lead not now. we'll see what happens after the israeli cabinet meets in emergency session. it's supposed to begin in about an hour. >> wolf blitzer in jerusalem, thank you. now, the passenger jet shot down over ukraine. this afternoon, airline industry leaders are meeting in an attempt to prevent any further civilian plane shootdowns. just ahead, we'll show you the global danger zones for commercial flights. stay with us.
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anxious flyers have plenty to keep them up at night. mechanical failure, collision, terrorism, and of course after the mh-17 crash, we can add war zones to the list. the faa has established no-fly zones for u.s. aircraft other dangerous destinations. in yellow, a notice to airmen alert to be cautious. but many international flights take passengers directly over the most dangerous places on earth. in response to the mh-17 air disaster, the organization is meeting just over an hour from now to discuss the risk of flying over war zones. joining me now, cnn's aviation correspondent richard quest and cnn aviation analyst and former faa inspector david soucie.
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richard, it seems common sense call. why don't airlines just avoid routing their aircraft over war zones? >> they don't do so not because of cost, not to save money, they don't do so because the regulators, the people who are charged with saying whether the road is safe, basically, have told them it is safe. no airline flies a route that the regulator has said is closed. they're not allowed to. the route wouldn't be open. now, some airlines choose to take a, if you like, higher level of caution. others basically say, look, the regulators, the global -- the governments say it is safe. therefore, we are going to file flight plans that take us down that road. we're an airline, they say. we're not equipped to know the every nuance of every disaster or every conflict zone.
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we have to go by what the regulators say. >> david, what safety technology exists, is available right now that could potentially prevent another mh-17 shootdown from happening? >> well, right now, the system, it's a very complex, thorough system, for notifying the entire airline industry when a particular state has said we have a risk within our country, and we're going to make that known to everyone. what it can't do, what it doesn't do, is allow that to happen from anybody other than that particular country. so in the case of ukraine, ukraine said it was safe to 32,000 feet. they did not, which they should have, issued, saying it's no longer safe at 33,000 feet. we've had airplanes shot down at 31,000 feet. so stuck between a rock and a hard place as far as do they take over and do this or do the countries still maintain their sovereignty and ability to issue
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those. >> richard what do you think is going to come out of this meeting today? >> well, i think what's going to come out is a framework. we're not going to get a solution. we're not going to get a new way of working. i'm guessing it's going be to the air navigation departments leading the way here or the airports themselves. what we'll get is a framework for how better to judge the risks. the airlines are not equipped to do it. let's just get that right on the table. i mean, tim clark, tim clark of emira emirates, his airline has been flying over iraq for months and months. last week, or yesterday, said it was no longer going to fly over iraq because they've made that judgment. but somebody above the airlines has to make that judgment. my guess is in montreal today, they will begin that process. but as david says, countries won't give up sovereignty. airlines want certainty. the passengers want safety.
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no one wants to lose a plane. but everybody wants to get their way. >> david soucie, very quickly, if you could, if you could snap your fingers and have the international aviation industry go along with what you think needs to be done, what are the top three step, you would do? >> the first thing is they need to implement the safety and analysis section which the faa developed and offered to turn over. that's where it belongs, that's where it needs to be. and then the states report to that analysis section. that's what has to happen. they need to take a stronger role in that. >> all right, thank you, richard quest and david soucie. a suspected child molester tracked down after he was profiled on the cnn show "the hunt," and he did not go down without a fight. >> they usually give up like little babies. they're real cowards, preying upon children, preying upon women. this guy was armed and ready. >> just ahead, john walsh talk, about the viewer tip that led to
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for more than 20 years, john walsh profiled the worst offenders from the criminal world on television. his show of course "america's most wanted" which led to hundreds of arrests. now another criminal is off the streets, to say the least, after his case was profiled on cnn's "the hunt with john walsh." charles mozdir was killed in a
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shootout with police in new york yesterday. three officers wounded in that incident. are all, thankfully, recovering. walsh spoke earlier today, to our chris cuomo, about the suspect, about his new show, and about his lifelong mission. >> the worst thing was of course he weaved his way into family's lives. he was the godfather of this little boy. and like all those predators that are out there, he waited for the opportune time and he struck, destroyed this family. they had big, big courage, chris, to go forward, and his roommate told police and told us that he had threatened that he was going to go back and kill the father for turning him in. so this family lived in fear for two years. >> and unusual that this kind of sickco is also homicidal though, right? >> oh, absolutely. they usually give up like little babies, i mean, they're real cowards, preying upon children, preying upon women. this guy was armed and ready. we got the tip a week ago. our second show.
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and marshals focused in on the village area. and then they reran the week before's show just before i went live with a new show, 9:00, sunday. we got another tip he was down the village. and the fugitive task force circled right in and got him. >> does a case like this make you remember the need, john -- you're the only one who does this. you know, "america's most wanted" is a unique thing. the media has a direct public service that is effective. it would be tough to leave, wouldn't it? >> i'm the father of a murdered child. i still have that rage. last sunday was the 33rd anniversary of adam's abduction and murder. and that's when the tips that took him down came in. tough, tough day for my wife and i. but i thought, you know, something we're still out there fighting, still fighting back, and look what happened, we took this creep down. >> so what do you want people to know? >> i want people to know that you can call me. you can go on our website, cnn -- i'm sorry, cnn.com/thehunt. you can call our toll free hot line. i guarantee, you'll remain
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anonymous. people want to do the right thing, chris, they just don't know how to do it. cops don't have the resources. a lot people don't want to talk to cops. we're there. if you see one of these creeps, i guarantee you, you can remain anonymous, we'll catch the guy, get him off the streets. >> and as scary as mozdir seems, there are plenty of them out there, aren't there? >> tons. in all of the years i did amw, we turned down about 150 cases a week. we couldn't keep up with the load. one thing people should learn from this case, if you're going to give your -- the person you love the most in the world, your greatest treasure, to somebody like this creep to baby-sit for you, you better check him out. you better find out who's watching your kids. >> and as much as the need is great, the challenge of justice is often just as great. that's why we need every tool we can have at our disposal. that's really what your show is. >> it's about using the american public. people want to do the right thing. cops will be the first to admit it.
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the core noddo police in san francisco where this guy was wanted said we don't have the resources. he ran. he's been out there for two years. we haven't had one good tip. i said, partner up with me, the marshals. we'll put him all over cnn. if we're lucky, we'll get a tip. we got a great tip and he went down. he's right where he belongs. >> you can catch a new episode of "the hunt with john walsh" on sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. right now, the world is in the middle of the deadliest ebola outbreak ever. two american health care workers have come down with the ebola in e liberia. what is the danger of this disease spreading to the united states? dr. gupta will join us to talk about the myths and realities surrounding this very scary disease. stay with us. you do a lot of things great.
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leaders in west africa are scrambling to try to stop the deadly ebola virus from spreading. we're talking about literally the worst outbreak of ebola in the history of the world. the world health organization says more than half of the 1,200 infected have died. the latest victims include two american workers with the relief group samaritan's purse. both are in a liberian hospital. the officials in the u.s. are worried ebola could be just a
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plane ride away from the united states. dr. sanjay gupta's our chief medical correspondent. what do we know about these two victims? will they be evacuated from lie beer what? >> in terms of how they're doing, they're quite sick. you hear about how quickly ebola can attack someone's inmun system, make them sick. we're hearing that about these two people as well. they seem to have contracted it from another health care worker who may have spread it in a particular room. it's tough about the evacuation question, jake, there's sort of three main considerations. one is, are they medically stable enough to fly. that's the first and foremost. but also, how do you protect everyone else then who might be actually responsible for their transport? that can be a challenging tae i in a situation like this. finally, where would they go? there's not a specific treatment or anti-viral so it's not like some country is waiting for the magic treatment for them it i don't think they figured out the
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answers to those questions yet. >> how big is this outbreak? >> it's the biggest. the first outbreak ever was back in 1976. it was in zaire. there had been a smattering of outbreaks since then. some much larger than others. this is by far the big effort. if you take all the people in the history of these outbreaks that have been infected, more than a third of them have been in this outbreak alone. it's the biggest in terms of number. it's the widest spread now in terms of geography. >> and realistically speaking, how big a threat is this here in the united states? is it very possible that someone infected with the virus could fly here and spread the disease or is that a remote possibility? >> there are sort of two questions, and it's important to separate. could they fly here? could they spread the disease? i think the answer to the first question is yes. i know a lot of people have been doing interviews on this and people tend to soft pedal this because it strikes so much fear. i can understand the soft pedaling. i was in konokri, guinea.
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it's the capital city, international airport, there are people who had ebola. it can be up to 21 days. you can fly all over the world. it's going to happen at some point. the second part of your question. could they transmit the disease? it's not a disease that transmitstransmit s easily. if you have someone with ebola for example in the united states, i imagine they would be placed in isolation. all the safeguards would be put in place. they would try to offer whatever treatment they could to the person. i don't thing it's one of these things that will spread easily after that. >> very quickly because we're almost out of time, what was the most surprising thing you learned when you were in africa about this disease? >> there was so much stigma against the health care workers. it makes it difficult. there were health care workers who worked in these ebola camps at great risk to themselves that
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could not even tell their families where they were working. so it was -- because they didn't want to be stigmatized. you can imagine how difficult it is for these health care workers to do their jobs then. >> thank you, dr. gupta. be sure to watch my show at 4:00 p.m. eastern, 1:00 p.m. pacific. we'll ask questions to both the israeli government and hamas. if you have questions, tweet me, @jaketapper. "wolf" live from jerusalem starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer reporting live from jerusalem. i'd like to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. a new call for a cease-fire is rejected. the fighting is clearly intensifying. israel's prime minister is warning of a protracted campaign against hamas. here are some of the latest developments. the palestinian authority led by mad

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