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be large groups of girls held together in remote locations. this is incredible. 276 girls were taken under the cover of darkness. people had thought they had been sold, some forced to kill themselves in suicide bomb attacks. this could be miraculous. this could be miraculous. anderson starts now. -- captions by vitac -- good evening from jer louus. military operations went on up until the 8:00 a.m. deadline this morning. this was the west bank, also this morning, a stray rocket, one of about 20 according to authorities that hamas fired before the seize fire took effect. tonight, we'll look at the fate of ordinary gaza civilians, many of whom simply do not have homes to return to. they are gone with neighborhoods. more on that and what happens
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there and here in israel in the next two hours. plus, nick paton walsh taking cover tonight from the fighting that is all around him, shots going off a few blocks from him with a growing russian threat across the boarder. >> we've heard sustained automatic gunfire here in donetsk, a real sign, i think, the militants must be edgy or perhaps in the worst situation any exchange of gunfire with the ukraine military if they are this close. >> reporter: keeping his lights off and voice low because gunmen were close by. we'll have more from nic in a few minutes. the second ebola patient comes home. a progress report on both patients and so far, the news seems to be hopeful. another tragic first in the longest war since vietnam. the highest ranking u.s. service member killed since the vietnam war. major general harold green shot dead by an afghan soldier that
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bad badly wounded more. what are we learning how this happened? >> this took place in part of a routine visit to afghanistan's national defense university. this is where afghanistan and coalition forces including u.s. forces train afghan military leaders and officers arguably the afghan west point, several senior officers involved in including general green and a german general who was injured in this attack, as well as eight other americans, total of 15 injured and i'm told that the soldier, the afghan soldier who turned his weapon on these american officers had been with his unit for sometime. he was vetted. he had gone through a very serious vetting process they have for afghan soldiers to prevent attacks to prevent the green on blue attacks and seeing this will be a major focus on the investigation of this which
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is underway. >> and an officer no less. the taliban acknowledged the killing but have not claimed credit for it, right? >> they have not. doesn't mean that won't change, but at this point, they haven't claimed credit. so the open question now, what caused this afghan soldier to turn? it a personal grievance? it his own affinity for the taliban? we don't know. that's another subject of the investigation. >> what went over the general who lost his life in the attack? >> sir general green, a 34-year veteran was the deputy commander of the combined security transition command. this is a command whose job it was to help transition from coalition security control in afghanistan to afghan security control, as coalition forces including americans withdraw. so, you know, this presents a real problem going forward because it presents an open question, what does this say about the readiness of afghan forces to take on this task?
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to be fair, attacks like this have decreased remarkably since 2012, but general green gave his life, part of a military family. his wife was a retired military colonel, as well, and notification just going out to the family today. so sad moment for that family, no question, but of course, you have eight other americans injured, i'm told some seriously. >> yeah, for a lot of families tonight. appreciate the update. there are some 30 thousand american troops still in afghanistan and far from the first time they faced these sneak attacks as jim mentioned. at their peak in 2012 according to the foundation for defense and democracy, they accounted for 15% of the fatalities. an ugly fact of many wars and a prominent part of the war in afghanistan. we'll dig deeper with phillip mud and military analysts, lieutenant colonial francona. this is clearly a vetting
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problem here. a, this was an officer in the afghan military that raises problems but talk about the vetting process. it's supposedly extensive, but is it really? >> it has changed since 2012 because we had a rash of killings in 2012. we approached the afghans and said you've got to improve your vetting so that we have less of these incidents. the institute of the process, they brought in computers and they are matching databases with ours now, but it's not quite there yet, as we have seen, and jim is right, the incidents are down, but the vetting process is totally an afghan issue right now and then we're given the result, and there is not much we can do about this. as we withdraw -- >> so they control the vetting. >> they do. they do. and so we have to take their word for it once they are vetted. we can get the result and run it through our computers, but they do the investigation. >> phil, i mean, the reality is
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and this is no disrespect to the afghans, but this is a culture where ties were, ethnic ties, triable ties run deep. what do you make of this vetting process? is it legitimate? >> i don't think we should look and make judgments about the vetting process too quickly. the reason is you have an individual in this case who appears to have been with the afghan security forces for sometime. you would think on the surface that maybe he was recruited by the taliban to enter the security services to do this. my experience in this business and afghanistan, iraq and elsewhere, that's not necessarily the case. he might have entered the service to be a military officer. he might have seen something in the last months or years, for example, raids on a family compound that left an afghan child dead that left an afghan family without a house and sometimes these people, there is an emotional switch that turns on after their recruitment, after their vetting that leaves them to say i want to do
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something about this. i'm going to kill someone in the u.s. military. >> colonial francona, i understand you were targeted green on blue attack in iraq. obviously you survived. does something like that, does it make it more difficult to trust those around you who are, i mean, in this case, iraq or in the case of this general in afghanistan? >> these are the people you're working with. someone you trusted. someone you're training and advising and then one day he turns on you and sets off an ied trying to destroy your team house. and from then on, you're always looking at everybody and it's not fair to everybody concerned but you're always looking, can i trust this guy? do i want to turn my back on this guy? you have to watch out for each other that puts a division between you and the people that you're trying to train and they can feel that and it really hurts the mission. >> phil, obviously --
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>> anderson -- >> go ahead, phil. >> if i could pick up on that for a moment. i've talked to terrorists at my career in the cia and fbi. i talked to one, for example, is horribly burned, a suicide bomber from the middle east into iraq to conduct a suicide attack against a military instillation. you think of these people, you might think they have grown up with an ideology that says i hate america. instead, what you find in some circumstances is that they see something that triggers an emotion. this is a very family-oriented society. a very close knit society. they see for example the death of a child and within the space of days or weeks, that can motivate an individual to say, well, i might have joined this service for another reason, now because of what i witnessed in my culture, i'm going to commit an act. i know this wasn't a suicide attack but anyone going into this attack with the weapon that this individual was firing has to believe that he's going to be killed. i suspect there was an emotional
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switch here like the switch i saw when i talked to suicide bombers elsewhere in the middle east. >> phil, we don't know whether this general was a target of opportunity, whether this guy, as you said, just flipped a switch and decided wait, there is a general in the room. this is the moment i'm going to take this moment or whether this was targeting an individual in particular. we simply don't know at this point. >> we don't know. i can offer a guess and that is while the general might have been targeted, if i had to bet a paycheck, i would say he was not. my experience is the event is what motivates them. they want to walk into a situation whether it's the gate house at a military facility, whether it's a military training compound like this was, whether it's a police facility that they want to attack, they are trained and inspired by emotion to conduct an attack that will lead to the loss of life, and i'm guessing by the way, this individual thought that he would lose his life in the attack and
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who they hit, whether the target is perfect is secondary. it's the event that counts. it's the fact they actually conducted the attack. >> and that's a really key point. we need to find out what the motivation was because if it was, as phil described, he's probably right, is one thing. if this is a targeted operation. the taliban had intelligence this group of people would be at that location at that time and we're able to get this guy in there, we have a much bigger problem with security than just the vetting issue. >> still a lot to learn. phillip mud, just to under score, this is one of the worst green on blue attacks of the war. certainly not the first. more from randi kaye. >> reporter: this is the scene, march last year after a deadly attack on u.s. troops in afghanistan's province. another insider attack or green on blue attack, as they are called. a man wearing an afghan security uniform grabbed a heavy machine gun and opened fire.
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two u.s. soldiers were killed, one a green beret. ten other americans wounded. that same year, 2013, the pentagon says 14 nato forces died as a result of these types of attacks. the year before was far worse, 61 deaths. green on blue attacks began to accelerate in 2011 after president obama announced his plan to pull most u.s. forces out of afghanistan and end combat operations this year. transferring security responsibilities to the afghan forces. forces that required training. >> the green on blue attacks are a very concerning problem, and action is being taken to protect against those kinds of attacks. but it does not change the mission. >> reporter: in september 2012, 15 taliban insurgents attacked u.s. and british soldiers. the same base where prince harry
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was assigned to an apache helicopter unit and harry wales was far from the fire fight but another u.s. marine were both killed. colonel rabel had taken on the enemy with the only weapon he had, a .9 millimeter handgun. >> he saw challenge and took decisive action. he lead his marines and lead them from the front. >> reporter: later, the taliban released this video showing how their fighters train to breakthrough the fence on the edge of the base, and infiltrate coalition forces. the taliban were carrying rocket propelled grenade launchers, suicide vests, and automatic rifles. they were also wearing u.s. army uniforms. this 21-year-old marine had just two days left to serve in afghanistan when he was gunned down along with two other u.s. marines by a member of the very
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afghan security forces he had been training. august 2012 greg buckley jr. died. his father says his son predicted he would be killed on his base saying one afghan trainee had been telling his son they didn't want u.s. forces there. >> he told me that he -- if i have to stay here until november, he says i'm not going to come home. >> reporter: killings like these at times have caused the coalition to halt the training of security forces and new recruits. they have even started using guardian angels, armed troops who oversee the others during meal time and while they are sleeping. while attack haves declined, this latest attack shows the system, even now, is hardly perfect. randi kaye, cnn, new york. we'll have more on this story, new developments in the next hour. from the seize fire to talks in
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we're now a little more than 19 hours into the seize fire so
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far. it seems to be holding. a delegation in talks. that was an israel lie delegation. in the meantime, quiet and for many quiet desperation. obviously, it is quiet there tonight, quite a change from the last few weeks. what has it been like today? >> traumatic change. today was a day i think many people woke up and the fact they didn't hear rockets out going and didn't hear incoming artillery made that realization come to them that yeah, it looks like this may hold. now, it is the ninth seize fire and so far, it's the longest seize fire of this entire conflict. so that's definitely good news. there were a lot of people on the streets, a lot of stores opened up. there is a lot of traffic, trucks loaded with goods in the market, the stalls seemed to be full of food and products to sell. a lot of that is because they plan to sell it all and that got
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delayed because of the on going conflict. the attitude changed dramatically. people were feeling relief, however, when you get out of the town and when you get over to the suburbs that have been devastated closer to the boarder with israel, it is just flattened. when you look at those images, it is almost unbelievable to see the extent of damage, and it's everything that's gone. it's the infrastructure, houses, the mosque, the neighborhood. they have to start from scratch. the estimates are in the billions of dollars of damage and 10,000 homes damaged or destroyed. where are people going to go, even though we began to see them leave from the shelters they have been in for weeks, anderson? >> people were in some cases pulling the bodies of loved ones out of wreckage. they were finding those who had yet to be found. >> right, in fact, the death toll continued to climb, even though there was no violence today but the fact that people who had been missing or families
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that went back and had a chance to go through the rubble now that it was relatively safe, they began making more terrible discoveries, and that is likely to go on for sometime. nobody really knows what the final figure will be but the hope is at least the killing, the violence, the rockets, and of course, the artillery, they hope that is done for good. >> martin savidge appreciate the update. we'll talk to a negotiator in the next hour but we'll talk to a member of the idf. they say they have accomplished what they set out to on the ground in exchange to potential damage with the allies. a short time ago i spoke with lieutenant colonial peter learner. the seize fire seems to be holding. from a military perspective, did you accomplish what you set out to do? >> absolutely. the main golfs to dealfal was t
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the tunnels. that was a huge investment. >> are there still tunnels there? >> we had a good intelligence before we went in about the tunnels and having the boots on the ground, we were able to reach everything that we knew and more. over 32, around 32 tunnels. we are confident in what we did destroy and there could be a few more. >> is there anything you were surprised about in this confrontation with hamas? you learned something every time you engaged with an enemy force, you learn things about hezbollah in 2006. did you learn anything were surprised about anything in hamas this time? >> did we learn they are more professional than they were before hand. >> they have gotten more professional? >> absolutely. >> they are better trained. we know they brought trainers, sent trainers to iran, under went training to become trainers and they came back and have been
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training. so they are trained well. better equipped. >> you now saw that you killed an estimated 900 militants, that obviously, the total death toll released by un observers and gaza health officials is some 1800 palestinians whom they say 75% at least are civilians, many of them children. your numbers are obviously in conflict with their numbers. how did you come about that number of 900? >> the hamas ordered the people not to discuss militant casualties at all. so they are not bringing forward any figures of those. our activities, we strike from the sky, our forces have come out and with debriefing and carrying out after action reviews and speaking to the forces and they are telling us where they had combat specifically, how many people were killed in that type of action. we were able to accumulate the
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figures since yesterday. >> given the outcry from the u.s. on sunday, from the u.n., from other countries, are you rethinking at all the use of artillery in an urban center for the next time? there was an incident in which an israeli -- a un shelter was hit, appears by israeli artillery, according to the united nations. militants were operating some 200 yards or so in the vicinity but fired from a distance is not that accurate. >> we'll review everything. that's what we do. we look and study and try to learn to be better in the next bout. that is the nature of military. that is how we operate. the type of battle the that was developed on the ground, the type of reality required in some instances, use of artillery. this is a certain type of scenario when forces are under fire and you have 13 or 12
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soldiers killed because they are ambushed and the use of artillery. it can happen. >> is the response proportion? given the capabilities of their rockets and the low number of militants you may be aiming for to endanger thousands of people, that is not a proportion et response. >> the terrorists are utilizing schools, hospitals, everything they can to attack us. that is where they are operating from. now do you strike those buildings? do you use artillery? do you use mortars? if you come under fire at the same time and you know that, and the fog of war is extremely complex. you've been there. you've seen it. so it has to be investigated. the military, we will do so. >> appreciate you being on, thank you. >> thanks. >> a few outside on servers tackled this region in the color, complexity and heartache
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better than david kirpa thetric the new york times. he's always a pleasure to read. he joins us from cairo where negotiations are set to begin tomorrow. i know you interviewed a senior leader, what is his sense of whether deals will be struck within the seize fire window. >> what hamas wants more than anything else is release from the blockade, what they call the siege of gaza. they want israel and egypt to open boarders to get goods and people in and out more easily. that's the priority. their vision is look, we stopped firing rockets at you, you in turn should open up the boarders. israel is thinking something very different, as you know, which is in return for opening up their boarders, they want hamas to demilitarize as much as possible, to really turnover the
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weapons. >> which, i mean, there is a military wing of hamas, the idea they will demilitarize, i'm not sure i see how that happens. >> no, it would change the very nature of hamas and so what i think we'll see hamas doing, based on my conversation today is saying we're willing to work as an organization with this new palestinian unity government, which recognizes israel, which is denounced violence, which you can work with. you can open the boarders to this government, will turnover gaza but by the way, we'll keep our fighters, our military brigades separate and to ourselves. they will be in tact and they will be busy getting ready for the next battle. >> but that doesn't lead to i pane, a long-term peace. if you have a military ring of hamas running around gaza that doesn't answer to anybody and doesn't have responsibilities for actually governing, that sounds like a rest pcipe for disaster, no? >> correct. it's a recipe with conflict with
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israel and the palestinian government. if it sets up the security force to control gaza, it will be jostling side by side with hamas' brigades, which are also an armed force occupying at the same space. >> and what was it like meeting with -- i mean, i understand it was an interesting experience meeting with this hamas member. >> yeah, you can really see how the change in egypt has put new pressure on him and his organization, you know, a couple years ago i met with him in his office and he welcomed me into a nice sunny room. he met me in the lobby of a hotel and trailed by both hamas body guards and egyptian secret police and the egyptian said you can't meet with journalist in a h hotel suite. the guards said we're concerned from your life. we need you far away from the
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window. he's under a lot of constraints and that herepresents a little pressure hamas is under. >> appreciate you being on. thank you. >> it's a pleasure. >> always enjoy talking to him. breaking news out of ukraine, nick paton walsh taking cover as gunfire rings out. we'll get the latest from nick.
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there is breaking news in eastern ukraine, gunfire in a russian rebel stronghold. the question is will it stay that way? this as nato says some 20 thousand troops gathered along the ukraine boarder. nick paton walsh is in donetsk, taking cover, i spoke to him a short time before we went on air. nick, it looks like you're lighting your own shot. what is going on on the ground? >> forgive me for whispering, anderson, it's so quiet, we have to keep our voices down.
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but intermittently, we heard heavy gunfire in the very center of donetsk. it seems like an exchange of fire, that comes after a day in which the ukrainian military have been advancing mostly from the direction over my shoulder here. the last few hours, explosions have been on the skyline to the distance over there but the key change just in the last half an how were we've heard sustained automatic gunfire here in central donetsk. a real sign i think the militants must be either extraordinary edgy or perhaps in the worst situation, any exchange of gunfire with the ukrainian military, if they are this close, anderson. >> how close is the firing to you, nick? >> it's a two, three blocks away maximum pretty close indeed. we are pretty much in the very center of donetsk here. the militants have been filling out in the past few days. we drove in yesterday, they were retreating down back one of the
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main highways here. that matches with what we've seen about ukrainian military positions moving fast. the question really is, anderson, as we know is a doubling in the number of russian troops on the boarder here to about 20,000 in the last week. does that suggest moscow wants to intervene its backed thus far or looking at a separatists movement in the last stages as the ukrainian military advances? >> your position known to the rebels, is it known to ukraine forces that might becoming into town? >> reporter: as far as we know, yes. it's pretty well-known location where there are other organizations, as well. so -- i'm hearing some voices in the distance, so i'm keeping my voice down but yes, as far as we're aware, this is a well-known location, anderson. >> nick, finallily, investigators are still able to
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recover remains and belongings from the crash site? they are still able to do work? >> the ukrainian and rebel front lines to a vital part, effectively sal individuvaging n the front lines. today that has severely impeded the about tility to carry out t job. they had to slow because rebels told them they couldn't advance because mines were in the way. >> nick, i'll let you go. be careful, nick, thank you. >> we spoke to nick just before the broadcast. we're very concerned about his safety and the safety of those in harm's way tonight and we'll continue to maintain contact. for more, go to ahead a second america ebola patient arrives in the united states for treatment. the latest on her condition with dr. sanjay gupta ahead.
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well, the family of an
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american missionary infected with ebola thinks she has a fighting chance. she arrived today at emery university hospital with her colleague being treated for ebo ebola. she was wheeled in and she and dr. kent bradley were given an experimental drug never used on humans before and that's when their condition seemed to improve dramatically. dr. sanjay gupta joins us live from atlanta. how do we know about how she is doing tonight, sanjay? >> reporter: people seem optimistic about her overall. we know obviously, she was able to make the flight, some 6,000 miles from after krica to atlan. it was remarkable to hear today how sick she was a few days ago. her husband was thinking of making funeral arrangements at that time. so just again, anderson, hearing the stories about people rebounding very, very sick
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almost in dire, grave condition but then getting much, much better. in the hospital now, doctors assessing her, checking her heart function, lung function, kidney function, getting an idea how much impact this viral disease had on her body. also, anderson, she'll get the third dose of this syrum. >> she wasn't able to walk into the hospital like dr. brantly was. i mean, i don't want to read too much into that. does that tell you anything? >> reporter: you know, i was more surprised by the fact that dr. brantly was able to walk into the hospital. again, you know, we had just heard a couple days ago how sick they really were. dr. brantly, also, calling his wife at one point on thursday, basically to say good-bye and then within a few hours after that was able to get up, shower on his own and get on this jet
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that was prearranged. sot fact that he walked off the ambulance was surprising to me, certainly to a lot of people. as you say, i don't want to read too much into the fact she came in on a gurney. they expected that. she's older. she had been evacuated later from liberia. we'll have to wait and see how she does to really know, anderson. >> we know they are helping to treat patients infected. do we know,, how they might have contracted the virus. was there a specific incident that we know of. >> reporter: well, we've asked about that. the cdc is still conducting a formal investigation. what we seem to know, it didn't seem to happen while conducting routine patient care. this may have happened because another health care worker or somebody else in the vicinity who had become sick with ebola was the person who actually infected them, not necessarily a patient they were treating. so they are still trying to sort out the details on that, but it
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didn't seem to come directly from a patient, but rather, some common source that infected both dr. brantly a lly ms. writeball >> there is concern about the disease spreading. what precautions are the care team members taking? they are clearly wearing suits and they are in isolation, correct? >> yeah, so the patients go into isolation, which is a pretty strict isolation. there is sort of a glass box, if you will, almost, is what it looks like and rooms where doctors, health care professionals can suit up in these suits. they often use a buddy system so each person observes the other person to make sure they put on the suit properly and no exposed skin. when they go inside that buddy system remains. they say they simply take their temperature twice a day, as well. it could be a first sign of some
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sort of viral illness. i should point out, i asked the lead doctor and team doctor about the process and he did tell me every night he is planning on going home, sleeping in his own bed at the house. he doesn't have concerns about possibly contaminating or infecting his family with ebola. he say ifs he does the precautions properly, that just shouldn't be a concern. >> all right. dr. sanjay gupta, appreciate the update. a lot of interest in this story. the human toll that it's taking on these two people and all those in west africa infected, the treatment of people with ebola on u.s. soil. it's unprecedented and getting a lot of attention but the source of their infections and so many others as we reported is in west africa, it already killed hundreds of people and described as raging, out of control in some places despite the efforts of dedicated doctors. david mckenzie has a report from a treatment center in sierra leone. >> reporter: taking incredible
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care to combat an unprecedented outbreak. ebola can lead to death with one drop of infected fluids. >> that's why we take every possible precaution. >> reporter: dozens of doctors and nurses died in this outbreak. still, dr. stephon kruger says he had to come. >> this is where they need us and there is a really big lack of resources and at the moment, the truth is, if it wasn't here, there would be nothing. i mean, that's a good enough reason. >> reporter: but they are losing the battle. ebola hit four countries, the number of infections continue to rise. this outbreak is out of control. in the last two weeks, they have doubled their capacity here for confirmed ebola patients, and they are doing all they can to help those who are sick, but they are absolutely at capacity here. >> the level of effort is right now stop this disease?
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>> no, to be clear, no. it's really difficult because we're running behind. we don't know where we're staying. it's frustrating for us because we don't have the capacity to go everywhere. >> reporter: here they do what they can. in the high-risk zone this woman calls out for help. she has ebola, so does her son. ebola is so deadly it's killing our citizens. it's killing our country. her husband and son died of the disease. 70% of confirmed cases here will die, too. so she's confident -- to talk to her we must stand a few feet away. the protocols protect us. the cruelty is, they isolate her. still, she believes her 12-year-old daughter will make it and so will she. we're feeling much better she says, we're strong and we're going to fight. what happens when you actually
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beat this disease? >> yeah, i mean, that's the real highlight of everything that we do here. everybody comes to watch the patient come out of isolation. it really, i think, motivates all the staff to continue doing it. >> david mckenzie joins me now live from sierra leone. an incredible piece, david. the loneliness of those who are, you know, infecting, fighting this, fighting for their lives, not only the physical isolation but, i mean, the emotional isolation, not losing loved ones, not being able to touch their loved ones. i mean, it's a stark contrast to the improving condition the two american patients flown out of west africa, have you heard from doctors there? how are they reacting to the treatment and care given to dr. brantly and nancy writeball? >> reporter: well, look, the doctors here, anderson, says
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everyone should get the best care they can. some of them have expressed displeasure with the amount of tension given to those doctors, not because they don't want them to do well but because they say that the real focus should be here in west africa, that's their words not mine. they say this is where the real trouble is here and because of the protocols put in place in countries like the u.s., there is no real risk in america, but here, they there are health workers and doctors who have died in the dozens because they are trying to help patients. now you saw in that piece, anderson, we were walking around without protection in the low-risk zone. they have a whole series of steps here to allow people to do their work but they have to be very careful and you're so right, that isolation of the patients, that fear factor for them is just so horrifying and that woman there was just so strong to say, you know, i'm going to fight this. i'm going to win, even if it's against the odds, we'll get
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through this and ultimately, this is a disease and illness like any other, a very scary one and people just want to get better. >> david, remarkable reporting, as always, and appreciate you and your team being there. thank you for the risk you're taking. more on what the united states is doing to control the ebola outbreak and where the research stands towards fighting a new cure. we'll talk about the serum and if more can be produced and help those in west africa. i'll speak to the director of infectious disease next. [rob] so we've had a tempur-pedic for awhile,
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honey, you did it! baby laughs! welcome back. i want to focus more on the situation with ebola in west africa and the patients in the united states. i'm joined by dr. thouchy. how would you rate the emergency in west africa? >> i think this is a serious situation. it's bordering on cat strastrop for the countries involved and there is the potential for it to spread. we have two cases in nigeria.
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that's the most populated country in africa and boy, we hope it doesn't have an outbreak there. so we really are in a critical zone where it is going. >> is there more the u.s. can or should be doing to combat the outbreaks in africa? personnel being sent? >> yeah, we'll that's what is happening, anderson. it's unfortunately the health care delivery system and infrastructure is a perfect storm for the spread. as you saw in the clips that you showed, you know, the facilities that they have, the ability to isolate and even the people's attitudes about mistrusting the health care community and not really taking their loved ones to the hospital but really trying to take care of them at home which does nothing but spread to the family. what we and the rest of the world are trying to do, the cdc is spending 50 offices to help in the contact tracing.
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we heard the who will invest another $100 million. the world bank is going to invest several hundred million dollars to help build the infrastructu infrastructure. it's a dysfunctional ability to really address a health care crisis and that's really the very sad problem of why so many people are getting infected and so many obviously are dying. >> there is obviously a lot of people in the united states who were freaked out by the idea of the two missionaries being returned to the united states. for those scared about ebola infection in the united states or patients being purposely brought back, what do you say to them? >> there really is no risk for an outbreak here, anderson. you don't like to be too c category about it but how this is spread, that we have the infrastructure, the ability to isolate individuals, to care for them, and protect the people who are caring for them. in fact, we're seeing that actually acting out right now at
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emery hospital. two people with active disease who are being carefully and adequately taken care of under the health care conditions that we have in this country. so it is not impossible that someone is going to get on a plane of being infected in one of the west african countries, come to the united states and develop disease while they are here. we're equipped to handle that. that person might get very sick, for sure, but there won't be the kind of outbreak you're seeing on your clip. we're just not going to see that. >> dr. anthony fauci, thank you. >> good to be with you, anderson. >> another live hour of "360" and what we're learning about the killing of an american general here in afghanistan.
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