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bieber. get out the ear plugs. >> what the heck! >> reporter: a fan barely able to control her camera all because, when booed, justin bieber didn't just take it, he took it off. jeanne moos, cnn. [ screams ] >> new york. >> i'm concerned about that young girl. thank you for joining me today, i'm carol costello. "at this hour" with berman and michaela starts now. >> our objective is clear, we will degreed and ultimately destroy isil. >> destroying a terrorist enemy before it can attack, president obama lays out his plan to battle isis as the nation pauses to remember september 11th. plus -- [ bleep ]. >> he had his hands in the air,
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that account from two new eyewitnesss in a video taken moments after michael brown was killed by police. does the fact that the men speaking now are white change anything? >> that video showing ray rice punching the woman who is now his wife, the nfl commissioner say the league did have it. the new report claims the nfl got it five months ago. could this spell the end for roger goodell? hello, i'm john berman. >> i'm michaela pereira. those stories and much more ahead at this hour. 13 years ago today al qaeda terrorists unleashed their hatred on america, killing almost 3,000 people as they perpetrated the worst ever terror attack on u.s. soil. >> at this hour, those men, women and children are being remembered as relatives of fallen give voice to each of their names in a ceremony happening now at the 9/11 plaza,
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the world trade center site. the reading of the names i find to be one of the most important poignant remembrances that exist. >> earlier this morning at the pentagon, president obama spoke directly to the children, to the children whose parents were taken from them on that horrific day, children he has seen grow up during his presidency. >> america endures in the strength of your families who, through your anguish, leapt living. you've kept alive a love that no act of terror can ever extinguish. you, your sons and daughters are growing into extraordinary young men and women they knew you could be. by your shining example, your families have turned this day into something that those who attacked us could never abide, and that is a tribute of hope over fear and love over hate. >> so amazing to see the kids
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who are babies when they lost their parents, they're teenagers. the president and first lady participated in a moment of silence this morning, this as survivors gathered in shanksville, pennsylvania, too. the response to al qaeda helped define the presidency of george w. bush and his legacy. 13 years later, the response to another terror group that has taken american lives is the focus of his successor. >> yes. president bauchl going before the nation, laying out his plan to degrade and destroy isis. >> i've made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country wherever they are. that means i will not hesitate to take action against isil in syria as well as iraq. this is a core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> so here is the president's strategy in a nutshell, expand air strikes on isis targets including ones in syria as well as in iraq.
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send 475 more u.s. military advisers to iraq in a non-combat role and train other forces that are fighting isis like moderate rebels within syria. >> he wants to stop the flow of foreign fighters to the middle east and go after the money that funds isis and continue with humanitarian help for civilians whom isis has forced to flee for their lives. now, the speech is in the books, the plan is on the table. now congress gets involved maybe. the president has asked them to improve training and equipping so-called moderate syrian rebels and lawmakers are weighing in. >> if he can convince me, and i'm not yet convinced that it isn't going to be just half measures and he isn't just reacting to polling numbers, i'll support him because many of the things he's saying doing now is what we have been arguing for for the last three years. >> is there one thing you can say that would convince you that -- one thing he could say that would convince you?
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>> air strikes in syria begin tomorrow. i can give him targets. if he's worried about targets, i can give him targets in syria -- excuse me. air strikes in syria would begin tomorrow. that would be i think a huge signal. >> for the record, cnn has been told by officials that air strikes will not likely begin tomorrow in syria. more leaders from congress expected to speak at this hour including house speaker john boehner. we're following that and will have that reaction live when it happens. let's turn live to capitol hill, senator rob portman joins us, a member of the homeland security and governmental affairs committee. senator portman, through for joining us today. >> thanks for having me on, michaela. >> after you heard the president's address, you released a statement. you say the president has made clear the threat posed by isis and proposed steps to defeat it. now we turn our focus to the execution of this plan. so evidently you heard what you needed to hear from the president last night.
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has he got you convinced? do you think your colleagues, fellow republicans, will feel the same way, or do you think they have the samkon serns as senator john mccain that these will only be half measures? >> i'll speak for myself. first, i do think the president laid out a general plan in a speech last night that made sense. as we've seen with the president's speeches sometimes, it's all in the execution, and sometimes that's been lacking. like john mccain, i'm skeptical, but i'm hopeful that the president will show some resolve here and follow through on what he said. second, look, this is something a lot of us have been talking about for a long time, the last couple years in terms of arming folks in syria to be able to go up against this isis threat and also with regard to the broader civil war there. second is a number of us were very concerned and said so at the time that we had pulled out of iraq precipitously and had not left in place the intelligence and the trainers and the special opinions to be able to deal with this kind of situation. i think it's late, but i do
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think that when the president says he's ready to start doing what we've been talking about doing for some time, that we ought to be support evidence and ensure he actually follows through on it. >> you say you're skeptical, senator. is the issue just the follow thr through or is there something not in this plan you think needs to be there. some say he should be able to use u.s. special forces on the ground in syria or in combat roles in iraq. >> one of my concerns in the president's speeches is he seems so interested in taking things off the table rather than putting things on the table. last night he takes great pains to say what he's not going to do with combat troops. i don't think it's necessary to put combat troops in at this point. i do think it's something you want to keep your enemies guessing about. frankly i think the president makes a mistake in doing that. second, he took great pains to take credit for bringing all of our troops out of iraq last night which is kind of ironic. the first part of the speech is
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about how great it was when he took all of our troops out when, in fact, that was the vacuum that was create thad caused so much of our problems including ice sill moving in with about so,000 people at the time if we had the intelligence, he would have known about it. we wouldn't be in the situation that we're in. same with funding the opposition that's more mad rat, the free syrian army in syria. that's my concern. i want to see some resolve. i want to be sure that the president knows that there are many of us here in congress who do believe this is a serious threat and we're willing to help deal with that threat. but we need to be sure he's going to show leadership as well. >> senator, can i play you one bit of sound from senator john mccain talking about the idea of residual forces in iraq that you just spoke of. after that i want to ask you a question. let's listen. >> the alternative of leave ag permanent massive u.s. force in iraq not for 10 years, 20 years, but in perpetuity is not
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sustainable financially, not consistent with what the american people think we should do. >> again, mr. carney misstates the facts. we had it won thanks to the surge. it was won. the victory was there. all we needed was a force behind to provide support, not to engage in combat, but to supply support logistics, intelligence. by the way, the korean war we left troops behind, bosnia, we left troops behind, not to fight, but for a stabilizing force. >> senator, i want you to speak for yourself, not senator john mccain. your job is not to speak for senator john mccain. but one of the things he mentioned was the residual force, the forces left behind in korea which was 50 years ago. the korean war was 50 years ago. if you were to leave troops in iraq to keep the iraqi military consistently serving the iraqi people, how long would you be willing to keep u.s. troops there to make sure that stays stable? >> first of all, i think there
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are lots of other examples. let's look at japan, one of our greatest allies, third biggest economy in the world, where we didn't keep troops there, but we had a presence there after that war to help them get back on their feet and ensure we weren't squandering all of our blood and perez your we sacrificed there. same with germany certainly. there are lots of examples of this. i think john mccain's point is exactly right. had we had a presence there, we would have had leverage on maliki to avoid the purging of the sunnis that occurred, particularly in the military. second, we would have had trainers to ensure that the iraqi forces were up to the task. not to be able to monitor what's going on in that part of the world after we lost so many of our best and brightest in in that conflict, i have a military legislative assistant who was a captain in the marine corps in iraq. you can imagine how he feels about this. he lost members of his unit there, as did many ohioans gave
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their lives there in fall luge gentleman, anbar province. when the black flag was waved over those cities several months ago, we didn't do anything. the vacuum was created. once it was created, we should have acted sooner. now the president is finally coming forward and saying i see the problem, let's do something about it. i'm willing to be one of those who says, yes, we do need to do something about it, we do need to react and i do believe the president has the auktization to act now with regard to iraq. i believe going to congress he should seek a broader authorization, specifically with regard to military, helping to train syrians to be able to take the fight to isis in syria. >> senator rob portman, we appreciate it. we especially appreciate your thoughts when today this kind of conversation takes on extra significance on this 13th anniversary of 9/11. thank you for your time. >> hunting down terrorists and
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denying them a safe haven. it sound familiar, something this country has been dealing with for well over a decade. ahead at this hour, the man who helped lead the 9/11 commission. he will talk about the fight ahead and what he heard last night. sea captain: there's a narratorstorm cominhe storm narrator: that whipped through the turbine which poured... surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm.
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international order. >> from no strategy to strategy, the president laid out his plans for tackling isis, distinguishing it from other u.s. military operations over the years since 9/11, saying this is about air power and cooperation, not about american troops on the ground in combat. >> want to speak about the threat to the u.s. and its core interests that the president talked about there. we'll bring in former indiana congressman lee hamilton, one of the co-chair men of the 9/11 commission, also chairman of the foreign affairs committee in congress for decades. thank you very much for being with us. let me ask you off the bat, you've been in the middle of the battle against terror and terror analysis for years and yoors. what did you think of the speech and the plan? is it enough? >> i think all of us have been waiting for a comprehensive strategy. the president began to lay that out yesterday. one component very much missing from my standpoint at least, is
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that fundamentally our clash, our conflict with isis is a war on ideas. we must have not just a military strategy or economic strategy or financial or political, but we also have to mount a campaign to destroy the ideology. it is possible to destroy ideologies. we did it with naziism and fascism. it's not easy. it takes a long time and it takes an affirmative approach to appeal to the people who are very disaffected in this part of the world. that part of the strategy has to be spelled out for me. i haven't heard very much about it. >> sir, we've heard a lot of people speaking the the need for an international coalition. it strikes me your ideas of destroying the ideology would be best served if an international coalition participated in that,
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correct? if you had a group of nations agreeing on saying this is something that we as a world need to combat. >> absolutely. you're exactly right. it especially has to include countries from the islamic world. the united states does not have the credibility with islam, with the muslims across the world, that we would like to have. better by far, if this message were put forward by our allies in the islamic world, and that's an essential part of it. >> one of the things you assessed in the september 11th commission is when the threat to al qaeda should have been known and was known here in the united states. do you think that the white house now has correctly assessed the threat from isis to this country? the president basically indicating it's not a direct threat right now, but it could be. >> look, isis is very new. we're still having trouble trying to figure out what to
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call them. none of us could name a leader of isis more than two or three weeks ago. the whole idea, the concept of isis has just arisen in the last few months. it is very easy -- very difficult, i should say, to assess that threat. the fbi, department of homeland security say they're not a threat to the homeland of the united states at this time. they could become that if they're unchecked. we must not overestimate the threat. we must be realistic about it. do they represent a threat? is it a serious threat? yes indeed. what does it take to meet that threat? well, everybody turns immediately to military action. that's an important part of it. keep in mind when you strike with an air power which i favor at the moment. do you do that indiscriminately, you create a backlash that has
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to be dealt with. there has to be many components to this other than just the military side of it. >> i didn't want to lose this opportunity in this conversation with you without asking you briefly to comment on today, as the chairman of the commission, you co-chaired the 9/11 commission. we're on our 13th anniversary of 9/11, tell me what today means to you, sir. >> i didn't hear the question. tell you what? >> tell us what today, the anniversary of 9/11 means to you. >> first of all, like all americans, due to the tragedy of the day and where we were and the horrible, horrible experience,i think it's the most traumatic day probably in the history of the country. every single adult living today knows exactly where he or she were when that event occurred. it has profoundly shaped their lives. it's given a different sense of their own personal security, a
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dangerous element to that. the country has made hundreds of changes in government, in the private sector and individual lives to increase security. it has been the focus of american foreign policy ever since that time. so it is a major turning event in the history of this country. and i think we have by and large had success, not perfect. we have not had a major attack like 9/11 destroying the lives of hundreds of millions of people. we have had mistakes, boston marathon and other things. a good record, not a perfect record. >> congressman, your work has helped in that success. thank you for that and thank you for being with us today. really appreciate it. >> thank you. the nfl commissioner under increasing fire as a new report claims the league got a copy
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i was picturing her wailing on him and him smacking her and maybe her head was this far from the wall and with her inebriation dropped. why did i conclude all that? because i wanted to, because i loved him, because he had a stellar record and the cops had already seen the video. >> very revealing, very honest. it gets to the issue of
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assumptions right there. that was the owner of the baltimore ravens explaining why he assumed that the blow ray rice delivered to the woman who is now his wife wasn't as forceful as the video released this week shows it was, in fact was. steve bisciotti said he, quote, dropped the ball by not working harder to get his hands on that video. his comments come as the nfl is looking into a report that a league executive did get a copy of the video all the way back in april. why is that a problem? well, commissioner roger goodell has said the nfl was denied access repeatedly to the tape. he's saying he and other nfl executives only saw it for the first time this week just before suspending ricin deaf fitly. the ravens also cut rice after seeing the video. >> the nfl says now former fbi director robert mueller is going to lead an independent inquiry into the rice case. here is goodell yesterday. >> when we make a mistake, we're
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honest about it and we're open about it and say we're going to work to do better. a few weeks ago we improved our policies in this area. we have more work to development we're going to keep listening and keep learning and making sure we're doing the right thing for all our fans. >> so much to talk about. with us today, rachel nicholls host of "unguarded." our legal analyst paul callan. both of you have been seeing this story dominate our headlines, dominate our coverage. rachel, talk to me a little bit more about this report by the ap. if this is true, gosh, this the damning for goodell. >> a bach shell, no question. roger goodell has been on tv all weeks and in statements saying we absolutely did not see this video. then the associated press has the reporter with a law enforcement official in their office by their telephone and listens to a voice mail that very clearly, according to the ap, has an electronic chain of custody that says, hey, this
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came from this particular number, which we know is from the nfl office. it's stamped with the number. it's stamped with the time and it's stamped with the date back in april. and the message the voice mail says "i got it. you're right. it's terrible." that also implies that the person who received it watched it -- >> saw the content. >> so either the associated press is completely fabricating this story which frankly i find it very hard to believe. i trust the associated press. or somebody in the nfl offices had and saw that tape. we don't know if that person then went and showed it to roger goodell or any of the decision makers, but there's only two things that could have happened at that point. either roger goodell is flat-outlying, and that's what this i understand dent investigation may find, or it is gross, gross, gross negligence. this is something that has been a topic of conversation in nfl circles for a while because roger goodell is the guy who has said to players over and over
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again in the saints bounty scandal when certain members of the team said we didn't know bounties were going on, to players taking banned substances, a shake or vitamin they're not supposed to be taking. roger goodell is one of those who says ignorance is no excuse. i want to show you a few tweets. this first one from jonathan, one of the players discipline phd the bounty scandal, by the way. he says the nfl hires an independent investigator, that's code forgive us a minute to get our story straight. can't backtrack anymore. this is another one, as a husband, father and player i'm embarrassed to be associated with the nfl right now. he put that out after the ap report. >> rachel, you cover sports, cover the league. better than a 50/50 chance that he survives this? >> yes, i do think so. i see michaela's face with that.
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>> interesting. >> i do think some you can talk more about why. i do think he will. >> let me ask paul about this independent investigation. it doesn't just involve robert mueller, the former director of the fbi. there are two owners also involved in the independent investigation. >> it gets back to that phrase, it's all about the money. i was thinking make the comparison to what happened with the clippers when donald sterling got into trouble for his racist remarks. you have a fan base and players who were very sensitive to that, in particular the players. he was out immediately. now you look at the nfl. there aren't any football players who are of the female persuasion. >> and the wives don't really have a voice. >> they don't care because they're making money, the fan base is going to remain the same. what is being investigated? we've seen the tape.
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we know exactly what he did. we know that any sensible commissioner would have suspended him for at least a year instead of a slap on the wrist. >> what's being investigated is what happened with this tape? was there really someone at the nfl offices who had it and what did they do with it. that's part of the investigation. the league's attitude toward domestic violence as a whole is something i would hope would be investigated. we flashed the n.o.w. statement saying they hope this is just window dressing. john mara, the giants owner who is, quote, overseeing this investigation along with the rooney family. i have to say john mara is a high character guy. everybody who has dealt with him thinks very highly of him. he said this encouraging thing. he said many of us were dissatisfied with the original two-game suggs spengs of ray rice. we have all learned a valuable lesson. then he goes on to say the next thing, the notion that the
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league should have gone around law enforcement to obtain tid have oh is misguided as is the notion that the commissioner's job is now in jeopardy. the idea he is saying all of these things and he is the one leading the investigation raises some eyebrows. i don't want to say that john mara is going tobias because he's never shown any indication of that in the past. >> these eyebrows are now raised. >> you don't want the appearance of impropriety. >> all they had to do was ask the lawyer for the tape. >> paul, rachel, thank you so much. another thing to raise eyebrows, the ravens are playing tonight. guess who is performing? rihanna. enough said. we'll take a break. thanks, guys. when folks think about what they get from alaska,
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on this september 11th, 13 years after terrorists changed life in america an arguably the world as we know it, we're talking about a new threat and how to avoid repeating the past so many of us remember so vividly. >> president obama outlines his plans to destroy isis, a terror group that some analysts say could be as much a threat to the u.s. as al qaeda. >> isil poses a threat to the people of iraq and syria and the broader middle east including american citizens, personnel and facilities. if left unchecked, these terrorists could pose a growing threat beyond that region including the the united states. >> former pennsylvania governor tom ridge became the very first
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secretary of homeland security after september 11th. the position did not even exist 13 years ago. secretary, thank you so much for being with us, really appreciate it. you had a chance, like all of us, to listen to the president last night. what do you make of the strategy that he laid out? >> well, he is my president, but i reluctantly say that i was very disappointed. i think the president has a broader responsibility to speak more plainly and more completely to the american public. the notion that isis is a threat, it's beyond a threat. they beheaded, they beheaded two american citizens. i don't think that's a threat. i think it is a longer-term threat to the united states and to europe. again, we're dealing with isis in isolation of the broader islamic fundamentalist, terrorist threat and the president i think fails to recognize it. i think there are too many
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fiction writers in his inner circle. we've got al qaeda on the run? no, we don't. isis is a jv team? no it isn't. we're not going to have any boots on the ground. i'll go back to ancient history, we worked with a group of mill tar advisers, we were always in harm's way. the notion that the people we're sending over to iraq aren't in perilous, hazardous world is wrong. frankly, the notion that we're going to recruit the supporters, i think that's a good idea and i think it's absolutely essential. i wish he would have spoken about getting the arab world involved because they have as much at risk as we development i'm going to support my president. i'm hopeful that it works. but i do think he should be able to be more straightforward and quit dealing with these incidents in a vacuum. al qaeda is stronger. isis is there. hezbollah, hamas, al shabaab, it goes on and on and on. it's a global scourge.
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let's accept it for what it is and articulate a sustainable approach. frankly, americans since 9/11/2001 have shown their resolve, their commitment. we're better prepared, we're ready to deal with it. our intelligence committee is working hard. first responders practice every day. from a domestic point of view when we're playing defense, we're stronger today than we were 13 years ago. from an offensive capability, our military and our approach toward the global discourage of terrorism, frankly we've gotten weaker over the past five or six years. >> sir, what is the sustainable approach or the offense you're suggesting? are you suggesting we do need a u.s. military force on the ground? >> well, listen, you already have one. >> beyond the thousand that there are there, the 1,700. >> the president is trying hard to say i'm not george bush. nobody is accusing him of that.
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nobody is accusing the president of that. the reality is, and the notion it's yemen and it's somalia, i think the president is being somewhat disingenuous. this is a group of individuals who have money, manpower, territory and arms. they're not like al shabaab. they're not like al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they're a much more significant force. what i'm saying is the strategy evolves over time. but to suggest that isis is just one other little terrorist organization -- i would want to ask the president, are they terrorists or are they criminals? if we capture them on the battlefield, are we going to bring them to guantanamo? are we going to decide to give them their miranda warnings? i think the president should -- he has the bully pulpit. we don't have to be breathless about this discourage, about this challenge to our interest, not in the united states but around the globe. he really has never articulated
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the nature of the global threat and began to articulate a global strategy to deal with it. internally we're stronger today than we ever were before. i think we're far more vulnerable because i think the threat is greater. >> i'm still confused a little bit about what you're saying about the offensive operation in terms of u.s. troops there. are you saying 1,600 is not enough? what is the right number, do you think? >> i think it's a fair question, but let me just be equally candid in my response. it's disingenuous to say that the men and women we're going to send to iraq are not in harm's way. they're not wearing sneakers. they're probably going to help pre position air strikes. they may be hill tear advisers, no commander in chief wants to send men and women in harm's way, but don't pretend those military personnel, these brave
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and women are not going to be caught up in the middle of a violent battle with a violent medieval barbaric organization. it's fiction. they are in harm's way. there are boots on the ground. do you think somewhere down the road we may need special operations? we're not talking about a massive invasive force. we're not sending in thousands of marines or gis. the whole notion we can do this cosmetically from the air and rely on the syrian moderates and the new coalition army that's going to hopefully resurrect itself in iraq, that may happen. let's not kid ourselves about where these 1500 men and women are going and how perilous and dangerous their world is. >> i think we fully recognize the fact that any presence there in an adviser role or beyond is putting our people in harm's way. in terms of air strikes, i seem to understand that you think these are -- would be water off
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the back -- >> no, no. i think the air strikes are very important. they've been pinpricks. if you're going to do saturation bombing, let's do saturation bombing. i dare say i would imagine that president bush, president reagan, president clinton would have responded immediately after the first american citizen was killed by these barbarians, certainly after the second one was beheaded. my sense is you have lawyers in the white house worried about syria is a sovereign state. we could have sent a message. it would not have resolved the problem with isis. we would have sent a strong message to isis you don't do that to american citizens. it's not like we're a threat. it's interesting, we haven't been threatened by them werngs eve been killed by them. i think the language is a little too tepid to me. i don't want to be breathless about it. i think he should be more straightforward.
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he's my president. i want his strategy to succeed. it want him to be more whole some and comprehensive about how we're going to deal with it and the severe nature, not only the threat of isis but islamic fundamentalism around the world. >> mr. secretary, we do appreciate your insight here. thank you so much for being with us, joining us at this hour. let me say, it's interesting. u you do say you want the president's strategy to succeed that. i believe that. you are a patriot, sir. also you spent a lot of time criticizing almost everything he's done up to this point in time. >> today, what all americans have done in the united states to demonstrate resolve, to build resiliency, we're playing defense. homeland security was a defensive operation. the tip of the spear is overseas. when you start making analogies inappropriate for america. this is not a counterterrorism operation, it's a big deal. when you deal with isis in isolation from all the other
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islamic fundamentalists out there who threaten our interesting, anti american, anti-semitic, i think you're reducing, kind of mitigated the threat. i think we have to be honest with america. it's global scourge, i'm your president, we're going to start dealing with isis. >> we had a guest earlier that suggested some of the work not only needs to be just militarily, but that it needs to be stamping out this ideology. speak to that. >> no question. one of the challenges i think that presidents are going to have, regardless whether republican or democrat now and i think in foreseeable future, is that nothing that the radical extremists do in any way relate to what i truly believe most muslims want for their life, for their family and for their country. these individuals, these
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extremists kill more muslims than non-muslims. that's why i wish last night the president would have called for arab countries, those who are also threatened by isis to join the coalition. he's a global leader. a global call to action, global encouragement for those who are threatened to participate. he said he's going to recruit. i hope he and secretary recruit very, very effectively. i'm very hopeful that they get that done because it is a global scourge and requires a global response. part of that response is reminding the broader muslim world that everything this barbaric group and al qaeda does is inconsistent with how you want to live your life with your family in your country. so i think we have to do a better job on that as well. >> secretary of state john kerry is in there right now leading with the leaders of many nations in that region right now. former homeland security secretary governor tom ridge. thank you very much for being with us.
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>> thank you very much. >> we'll be right back.
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welcome back to "at this hour." in south africa it is judgment time in the oscar pistorius trial. in a blow to the prosecution, the judge has ruled pistorius is not guilty of intentionally killing his girlfriend. that takes murder off the table. >> premeditated murder. the judge still has to decide on culpable homicide, which the judge has in laying out the case
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made it seem like she may be leaning that way. pistorius faces three weapons charges. >> the accused, therefore, cannot be found guilty of mur r murder. that however, is not the end of the matter, as culpable homicide is a competent verdict. >> she really did make clear that it was an unlawful act by oscar pistorius. she said when he fired into that door. we feed to wait until tomorrow to find out -- >> it's not like here. the way the case is laid out, the way the verdict is read. it takes such a long time. remember she was killed valentine's day 2013, reeva steenkamp and this has taken all this time. >> stay with cnn tomorrow to find out what that final verdict is. tomorrow night at 10:00 eastern and pacific, we have a special, so you can see all the key testimony again. it's a cnn spotlight on oscar pistorius. >> turning to a crime story here
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in the united states. there are new details in the shooting of michael brown. cnn has obtained exclusive video taken just minutes after the unarmed teenager was killed by a police officer. our randi kaye spoke with construction workers who were on the scene. >> reporter: just after 12:00 noon, ferguson, missouri. the men you see in this cell phone video hear gunshots. they are about 50 feet away from michael brown and officer daryn wilson. the unidentified person recorded this video captured the witnesses' reaction during the final moments of the shooting. both men were contractors working in the area. they did not want to be identified. the man ot the left in the pink shirt told cnn they heard one gunshot and then about 30 seconds later a second shot. he says he saw michael brown staggering and then he says brown put his hands up and said, ok okay, okay, okay. the witness told us the cop
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didn't say get on the ground. he just kept shooting. that same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw michael brown's brains come out of his head. again reiterating his hands were up. watch how he motions on the video. the video, these witnesses say, was taken shortly after the shooting ended. if you look closely, you can see a police officer in the distance beginning to put up crime scene tape. both men told us by the time it was over there were three officers on the scene, but only one involved in the shooting. another voice is also heard on the tape. the contractor in the green shirt told me, that voice belongs to a man he didn't know who pulled up alongside them yelling this. >> [ bleep ]. >> that same contractor in green also told me that he saw michael brown running away from the police car. he said brown put his hands up and the officer was chasing him. he also said that officer wilson fired another shot at brown
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while his back was turned. the contractor in the pink shirt also shared this. that a second officer who arrived later to the scene, also drews his weapon. he said, the one cop was the one who shot him, then i saw the other officer pull a gun out but he didn't shoot. that same worker described how brown staggered dead after the second shot 20 to 25 feet to the ground explaining, he was like a walking dead guy. keep in mind, these men don't live in ferguson and don't know the brown family. but their account does square with what other witnesses have said. the woman who took cell phone video of brown's body lying in the street, also told cnn that brown was shot from behind. just like the contractor in the green shirt says. >> while he was running away from the officer trying to get away he was getting shot at. >> reporter: this witness told anderson he didn't see brown's hands up, perhaps because he was running outside to the scene but he did see brown turn around
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before being fatally shot. >> about time i get outside, he's already turned around facing the officer. he's balled up. he has his arms like under his stomach and he was like half way down, like he was going down. and the officer lets out about three or four shots at him. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> it is so interesting to see that. all the lawyers that we've been talking to here on cnn say this is very, very significant. >> significant. >> more or less in the moment. it was the reaction of someone on the scene. >> it was an organic response as they're watching it happen like you can't even have a prejudice about how you're going to react. you just react. >> is it physical. put his hands in the air. it was the sound you heard also. >> all these testimony and eyewitness accounts makes me wonder how they're going to find a jury that hasn't been influenced by all of this scrutiny and media and conversation and evidence. >> definitely. >> let us know what you think.
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tops it is fashion week in new york and one model hitting the runway is kim kardashian's little sister kendall jenner. >> tube tops? kendall wants to be taken seriously in the high fashion world. check out today's fashion backstage pass. you're terrible. >> hi, i'm kendall. kenda-e-n-d-a-l-l jenner, jenn r j-e-n-n-e j-e-n-n-e-r. i literally grew up in front of a camera. like my entire life, whether it was a big tv camera or like a little like picture camera. when i started i did not know -- i had no idea how this was going to turn out. you just don't know how they're going to react to it. oh, another reality tv star coming in trying to be something. i don't know. i just wanted -- this is what i want to do. this is like my job. i graduated high school and this is like my career, what i want it to be. i really wanted people to take
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me seriously. >> that a girl. a full interview with kendall jenner is on our website, check it out part of our fashion backstage pass. very cool fashion week. that's it for us "at this hour." >> i'm michaela pereira. >> i'm john berman. "legal view with ashleigh starts now. >> the bombshells keep exploding in the ray rice scandal. the commissioner insists nobody in the nfl knew about the in infamous elevator tape until monday of this week. but did a league executive actually see his tape months ago? the nfl is promising to look into the report. but wait, now even the investigators are being investigated. former fbi director robert mueller called in to lead an independent inquiry, but people are already questioning his objectivity pointing out his and his firm's friendly ties


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