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and al zaqawari. the strategy, tomorrow "outfront." our exclusive conversation with the general. thank you so much for joining us tonight. "anderson" begins right now. good evening, thank you for joining us, tonight, our exclusive interview with the mother of captured man, james foley. she talks about the faith and humanity and the passioniste believe in his country. also tonight, breaking news, a new report twos even more doubt on the nfl commissioner's claim that he only learned the details of what ray rice did in the elevator when he saw the tape of it on monday. now, espn is reporting that roger goodell learned the ugly details when ray rice told him. we begin tonight with the mother
of jim foley, a mother who is determined to keep her son's legacy alive. and what happened when her son was held hostage, when the journalist jim foley was kidnapped by isis terrorists, she and her family became tireless advocates. for the next 21 months they showed strength and grace, even as they learned about what happened to jim. >> isol is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. and it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stands in its way. in a region that has known so much bloodshed, these terrorists are unique in their brutality. they execute captured prisoners. they kill children. they enslave, rape and force women into marriage. they threatened the religious minority with genocide. and in acts of barbarism they
took the lives of two american journalist, jim foley and steven sotloff. well, tonight with maps targeting syria, diane foley is speaking out talking about the son she loves and the newly formed james foley foundation which is being launched tomorrow. she is also speaking candidly about her belief that the u.s. government didn't do enough to bring jim home safely, and talks about the long ordeal with her family. i spoke to her today. >> jim was very passionate about freedom, freedom of the press, freedom for disadvantaged children. a chance for education. but i know had he survived, that there would be more of an ordeal. he would have been very passionate about the need to make kidnapped citizens a priority. a priority for our country. and internationally to try to promote dialogue for some
consensus and strategy. >> because right now, there is not consensus. >> there is not. >> european nations pay for their hostages. the u.s. says they're unwilling to do that. >> exactly. >> you're saying -- the countries need to be on the same page? >> absolutely. and not only that, there needing to be international dialogue. the risk is becoming higher and higher. and i really feel that our country let jim down. and -- >> in what way? >> well, anderson, i -- we met wonderful people within our government, who cared, who wanted to help. but the reality of the bureaucracy and really -- was such that we were not helped. we really were not. >> you didn't feel like they were there for you, that they were really not? the u.s. government really was not? >> not at all. and yet, we don't blame, i don't
want to blame people because that is not going to help. >> so did you feel that -- your family, that jim was a priority for the government? >> no. we really didn't. you know? >> and you saw that in what, the resources that they had you interact with, the people they had you interact with? how did you get that sense? >> as an american i was embarrassed and appalled, you know -- i think our efforts to get jim freed were an annoyance. >> to the government. >> yes, jim believed to the end that his country would come to their aid. we were -- you know, asked to not go to the media. to just trust that it would be
taken care of. we were told we could not raise ransom, that it was illegal. we might be prosecuted. >> you were told you would actually be prosecuted -- >> yes, that was a real possibility, told that many times. we were told our government would not exchange prisoners, would not do a military action. so we were just told to trust that -- he would be freed somehow miraculously and he was not, was he, you know? so we, americans failed him. it is nobody's fault, it is just the fault of a lack of discussion around it and understanding of the problem. >> were you surprised when you were told that you could be prosecuted if you tried to raise money? >> i was horrified, because we
had had legal counsel that assured us that no family of a captive american had been prosecuted for trying to get their child freed. >> there was a rescue effort apparently made? >> yeah, late, very late. yes. >> you wish it would have been sooner? >> we feel that the location -- their location was known for more than a year. >> it was? >> yes, they had been moved a couple of times, that is true when there was a movement of isis from aleppo to raqa, we were told they were moved -- by intelligence. >> did you know -- >> anderson, to be honest, that part was rather frightening, we tended to know everything before
the fbi or anyone else. >> how so? >> because we did everything we could, i went to europe several times to interview the european freed hostages just so i could find out how jim was, what is going on, where are they, what are the chances of this or that. it was a frightening thing. and the fbi -- everyone was kind and supportive. but the fbi used us for information. >> really? they came to you for information? >> absolutely. >> about his location, about how -- >> absolutely, absolutely, oh, yes. >> how much communication about you have? >> only when i went -- when i asked for it. the enemy is isis. the terrorists. the enemy is not our government. i hope that through this legacy foundation that our government will be willing to dialogue with
our family and other families so that we can make american citizens in captivity more of a priority. and that we can work together to live up to the best of what we should be as americans. jim was killed in the most horrific way. he was sacrificed because of -- just a lack of coordination, a lack of communication. a lack of prioritization. as a family, we had to find outsiour way through this on our own. >> as i was watching the president speaking last night i wondered if you watched. >> oh, yes, i waped. >> and if so what was going through your mind? >> this whole strategy of eliminating isis, and the terror
threat is important, obviously. so maybe parts part of the strategic way of doing it is to bomb them. you know? and to engage in force. but that only caused jim's death, really. you know, i guess all i'm trying to say is i feel that our government needs to be shrewder, smarter, willing to negotiate with these people who hate us so that we can find better ways to rid ourselves of terror. >> for you, are you able to see jim as he was in life or is that image of him at the end something that is seared in your -- >> oh, anderson, what keeps us going is definitely the way jim lived. jim will live on. and that is our deepest desire,
that this foundation make that happen. in the best sense that our government can have better response to american hostages and their families. that we can continue to promote freedom of speech. and education in the world. that the best of american can be promoted. that is our hope, anderson. >> and that is his legacy? >> that is his legacy. >> in a moment, national security adviser susan rice responds to some of what diane foley said. and whether everything was done to save his life or is paying ransom ever a good idea. as we go to break, a look at the twin beams rising up from lower manhattan, symbolizing the trade towers, and the world we have been living in ever since.
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met on a number of occasions when i was ambassador in new york and here at the white house. she is an extraordinary woman. she did an amazing job on behalf of her family and with her husband and other children to do everything possible to leave no stone unturned to try to bring jim home safely. we're all heartbroken that that was not possible. but i and others in the u.s. government worked very hard with diane foley and her family to try to be supportive, to try to provide what information we could, and of course as you know the president ordered a very daring and very well executed rescue operation when on the only occasion we had, what we thought was fresh and we hoped was actionable intelligence about the whereabouts of jim foley and the other hostages. unfortunately, they were no longer there. but i think that effort, which involved hundreds of american
personnel and very sophisticated effort underscores the importance that we attached to doing everything we possibly can to bring americans in captivity back home. >> dig deeper now, with dan o'shey, former navy s.e.a.l., working at the u.s. embassy in baghdad. dan, i'm just curious, you heard what diane foley had to say, what are your thoughts on her perspective. >> well, it is -- i talked to many families after my tour, i came back and met with many of the families that expressed very similar frustrations about what therapy perceive as the lack of effort by the u.s. government to help hostages. we worked on many hundreds of
kidnapping cases. many of my peers included went on nightly missions and raids, hundreds of missions to try to find actual intelligence on just say one kidnapping. it is a very complex environment, the family is not given a lot of information from the government. it is very challenging and brings back a lot of bad memories hearing her thoughts and concerns about her son. >> that is surely one of the things, dan, that i think she hopes to be able to improve in the future is the flow of information or at least the relationship between the u.s. government and hostage families. that you know they feel very alone in this. they feel that they're kind of in unchartered territory. and she at least feels very much that they were kind of left to their own devices in many ways. are there ways to improve that? >> well, i can just tell you that unfortunately, the u.s. government is not on the business of sharing information. the folks that called her and dealt with her, they're not
going to give out a lot of information out. they can't. because they fear the information released to the family will end up in the media. and the reality is there are experts in the field that people can reach out to. because it is really hard to navigate that relationship when your son or daughter is the subject of a kidnapping mission that may or may not be in works. so families -- there are resources out there for the families. but the u.s. government is not in the business of revealing information. so that is where mrs. foley and others in this situation feel like they're being left out in the cold. >> is it possible to negotiate with a group like isis? is it in any way wise? because ms. foley is not just talking about paying money, which is what the european governments do, or possibly prisoner exchanges or even opening up a possible dialogue, is that even possible here? >> well, there are two scenarios. currently, i don't think it is possible. because i don't think that isol needs financing.
i think they're making enough money on their own. when this was akin to certain parts of africa where they need money they are willing to trade hostages for millions and millions of dollars. but isol is making that money. secondly, even if it were something that isol were prepared to do, and i highly doubt that, they don't need the money, as i said. it compromises the national security. as jim foley's mother said, it is correct, there are countries in europe that do trade for hostages. other countries choose to, what it does is it means those citizens from those countries are then deliberately targeted by terrorists for further kidnappings. and what it tends to do is ratchets up the kidnappings of people from there, and then the price goes up and the terrorists turn it into a business. so that compromises the country and their businesses. and they are learning that the hard way. what i would say is isol, god
forbid that any of us were in the place that jim foley's mother finds herself in. which mother wouldn't be upset? of course it is expected she will be distraught about the situation. but what we need to understand about isol is that this is an organization that scripturally, and the interpretation of its own religion, islam, believes in terrorizing. the horrible things they have done to these journalists, foley and mrs. sotloff, these are an end to themselves to make us scared of them and weaken us. because they believe that is something to be achieved as a strategy of war. so this is the theater around the decapitations, the specultae
of it. >> appreciate you being on, always, dan o'shey, and we have a link on our website, again, we'll have more from james foley's mother, diane in the next hour. next, what the nfl is doing about to listhe lingering questn how it answered the ray rice situation. and what roger goodell possibly knew than what he was letting on. enhance your eye color for a naturally beautiful look with consistent comfort. find your perfect color and get a free trial offer at airoptixcolors.com.
breaking news tonight on how the nfl handled the case of ray rice. four sources tell espn that rice met with the commissioner back in june and told them that he punched his fiancee in the elevator months before they released the knockout punch. now just this week, goodell told them that the video was not anywhere as clear as the espn sources are making it sound. all coming on top of the nfl's
assertion saying they did not see the tape. they have handled the fbi director to look at how the league handled the case. it sounds like there will be plenty to investigate. >> espn reports that on june 16th there was a meeting in goodell's new york office. there were several individuals there, ray rice, his wife, two reps from the player's union, the gm from the union, there was information that this was -- rice said he punched his then fiancee. one, so that he said the word slapped. here is how roger goodell said to nora o'donnell this week on cbs. >> when we met with ray rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened. >> but what was ambiguous about
her laying unconscious on the floor, being dragged out by her feet. >> there was nothing ambiguous, that was the result that we saw. we did not know what led up to it. >> how is it that this could be ambiguous. >> he was drilling down trying to figure out if it was just him and rice in the room. there were several people in the room, trying to figure out how to get beyond this. they were not trying to figure out what actually happened in the elevator. the alternative narrative is that some of the individuals in the room are friends of rice thinking he is getting a raw deal with this. the alternative narrative, the team owner, he talked about the way he envisioned happening in the elevator, prior to seeing the tmz tape. >> we love ray, so we have a tendency to hear what we want to hear and see what we want to
see. and so the -- the misdemeanor, the explanation that she hit him, he hit her with an open hand. the facts that she -- was aggressive. i was picturing -- i was picturing her whaling on him and him smacking her. >> you know, it is interesting, now there is this investigation being headed by the former director of the fbi. some people say it is not going to be impartial enough before it even gets under way. >> look, he is with a law firm, a very prestigious law firm in washington, d.c. several -- the president of the ravens worked for the law firm for 31 years, the law firm worked for tv deals and other entities. there was a lot of concern. they believe they can get this thing done. he says he is ready to start
today. >> miguel marquez, appreciate the update. and executive editor and senior writer for sports illustrated. do you believe the former director of the fbi can do an impartial investigation? >> absolutely, these law firms are big law firms, lots of people work there and have been working other places. he is one of the most distinguished -- he spent almost all his life in the public sector, not the private sector. i don't have a shred of doubt he will pursue this with integrity which looks more ridiculous every day. so many things were wrong with that interview with o'donnell, roger goodell was the only person in america who found it ambiguous what was going on in the elevator. that is why you do need bob
mueller. >> he is not going to have subpoena power, nobody will be required to testify under oath with him. which happens in these investigations, but that allows things to happen in the course of he may not be able to get to the truth. and what we see in all of this, they don't seem particularly interested in giving us the truth. >> ray rice's attorney had the tape. so i'm not sure if cbs knew -- there is no explanation for why or even if they tried to get that tape from ray rice's attorneys. >> yeah, exactly. this has been absolutely bungled from the start in an absolutely best case scenario, the nfl's fact-finding was absolutely shdshd shoddy. this is the most buttoned-up organization, they do not make pr mistakes, this is kind of kangaroo court stuff and from the start they have absolutely
flubbed this. >> and now you have stories from what roger goodell knew and when he knew it. >> and this whole thing that is suspect of what roger goodell told us what he knew -- >> because the coach of the team -- >> said he told us everything. and in fact, when he initially suspended ray rice for only two games, there was a huge back lash when he said possibly something innocent might have happened in the elevator. he then went forward saying i was wrong, we didn't get it right. at that point he didn't say ray rice was not really truthful with me, this seems to be a new theory he just threw out there this week. >> and listen to that remarkable piece of sound from steve boschetti, this fantasy that they have. >> he said they see what they want to see. >> i mean, that is really what is remarkable. ray rice in his apology used the word domestic violence. so that is an admission right
there. so materially, nothing has changed from a week ago. >> we saw it early on, the ravens tweeted out that the fiancee apologized for her role in this. >> and hosted the press conference. >> there was a new level of victim-blaming tonight. t "the wall street journal" quoted an unnamed nfl owner said the reason roger goodell gave such a light punishment is that janay rice asked him to. remember, janay rice is in that room with her meeting, with her husband who punched her unconscious, with four executives from the baltimore ravens hovering over, as well as the lawyer, to put her in that position to begin with is unbelievable. and then to blame her under the conditions, is the reason that roger goodell should be off the hook. i don't know who their anonymous nfl owner is, he needs to back
track. >> he is still very publicly reporting ray rice, that it is the media's fault -- >> this is why one of the things we have been talking about from the beginning, women who are victims of domestic violence often stand by their man, and we can talk about the reasons for that. but domestic violence is a crime against the community as well as the victim. >> explain that. >> well, the idea is, when you hit someone, when you commit an assault it is not up to the victim to decide whether charges should be pressed. it is up to the community. it is up to the police. and it is often the case that women don't want to press charges for a variety of reasons that again, we talk about. but the modern view of domestic violence is that police should prosecute it even if the women don't want to because this is such a dangerous and pernicious crime that is often repeated and you know, just can't be tolerated. >> which is why it is in complete contradiction of any
policy in domestic violence to have the victim testify -- >> and according to miguel it was not even a testimony kind of interview, sort of seeing how they can get beyond this. >> you have to remember the nfl didn't have a domestic violence policy until a couple of weeks ago, they just didn't have one. >> and as rachel reminded us just last week, it is far from more than just ray rice, people who have been convicted. >> 14 in the last two years. >> it is incredible. >> thank you for joining us, jeff toobin, as well. and more on the video with michael brown, and two men who took a video. what the man who took the video is saying.
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hands up and said okay, okay, okay. the witness told us the cop didn't say get on the ground. that is a quote. he just kept shooting. "ac360" spoke to the man who shot the video. and randi kaye was the first to report on it last night. first, remind our viewers why this video may be so important. >> well, anderson if you look at it it is realtime reaction. it is really raw, not hours or days later somebody telling you what they saw. you can see the shock and horror as these men talk about what they say the officer following michael brown and fatally shoot him in front of them. let's play the video now, our viewers can judge for themselves here what happened. [ bleep ]. >> so as you heard right there and as you can see there are several different voices on that
tape. one voice is that contractor in the pink t-shirt, you saw him put his hands up illustrating he saw michael brown with his hands up. they didn't want to be identified but the guy in the pink said they were close enough to see a really gruesome scene. he said describing seeing michael brown's brains come out of his head. he also said that he saw him like a walking dead man. >> what have you been able to learn about the guy who took the video? >> he is going by the name "chris" although that is not his real name. his attorney said he actually knew michael brown and talked to him before the shooting. this man grabbed his ipad, according to his attorney and started to record in his basement-level apartment. but here is what is interesting, chris' attorney said he tried to show the video at the scene and
they waved him off. the timing of the video could be key here, the attorney for this guy, chris, said he started to videotape just 40 seconds after he heard the gunshots. so this is realtime. >> all right, appreciate it. and jeff toobin, you think this video is important? >> i think it is very important. trials have become a much more high tech enterprise in recent years. and what you can see coming together here is a reconstruction that the prosecutors, if this case goes to trial, of all the different witnesses. you could create a graphic of where all of the witnesses were standing. and look at how they -- what they saw and when they saw it and pull it altogether, and so far it seems, the narratives are basically consistent. virtually all the witnesses who could see and have come forward that we know of say that michael
brown was shot while his hands were in the air. if that is true, if all the witnesses say that michael brown was shot with his hands in the air this could be a very damaging case against officer wilson. >> and anthony, obviously, you're an attorney for the brown family. what do you make of this video? >> the same thing, the significance of this video is huge. and i want you to think about this. this is just how major it is in my mind. when we go to war in other countries and against foreign combatants and they throw their hands up in the air and you shoot that person you could be charged with a war crime. we think that the laws in our own country should be the same. if in fact, mike brown had his hands in the air moments before bullets were pumped into his body it doesn't matter what happened at a video store. it doesn't matter what happened in his juvenile record. it doesn't matter what happened at the door of the police car. nothing matters, just like it wouldn't matter if we were to
invade a country and the person who was just about to blow your brains out threw his hands up in the air. what you are required to do is take that person into custody, peacefully which is what we're saying should have happened in mike brown jr.'s case. >> jeff, supporters of the police in this and other observers will say well, look, there is still a lot of information we don't know. there is no forensic evidence at all in the public domain. >> no, and frankly one of the things i'm confused about in the different stories, was michael brown actually shot in the front or in the back. and you know, several of the bullets, as far as i'm aware have not been found. bullets that missed him altogether. so it is true -- >> it is true, according to the second autopsy done by michael badden, there was a shot that went in fact through one of the arms. >> one of the arms, but only when the clothes are examined. that is when you're really going to be able to say which
direction and how close, especially how close officer wilson was when he fired the shots. but you know, it is important as i have said several times here to keep an open mind about all the evidence that is out there including stuff undoubtedly we haven't heard yet. but this video and this contractor's story is certainly very incriminating. >> anthony, is there any word on the schedule for the grand jury? i mean, weeks we were told probably by -- sometime in october, is that still the timeline, your understanding or thinking about it? >> that is my understanding. that is the time line, we don't have a fixed time that we know that -- a date certain where they're going to make an announcement. it can happen at any moment prior to that october deadline we were given. we just don't know. but can i just say this about the video? you know, we talk about other evidence coming in. i tell you this. if i have people that are saying
the kind of things that we saw this guy saying on the video moments after the shooting, his hands were up when he was shot. i don't need anything else, what more do you need in a case like that? to me it is disingenuous to say you need more, there is nothing more for me to have to develop my belief and that is what i'm going on. that is why i'm latched in on this case and attacking it like a bow and arrow. >> october is fast, i know we're all impatient and we want it immediately. when you look at the number of tests that need to be done, october -- i would be surprised if they're done in october. >> we'll see, anthony gray, thank you, jeff toobin, and ahead, how many fighters isis has in its ranks. new numbers tonight from the cia that will surprise you. plus, we'll dig deep with
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plan to ultimately destroy isis. his speech sent out intense fireworks here on cnn, from john mccain, and jay carney, the former white house press secretary for president obama who oversaw the policies of iraq and syria. here is a recap. >> i am astounded that -- mr. carney would say that the free syrian army is now stronger. in fact, they have been -- >> well, that is not what i said, senator, if i could, sir, what i said is that we know a great deal more about the make-up -- >> come on, jay, we knew all about them then, you just didn't choose to know, i was there in syria. we knew them. come on, you guys -- it's your boss that when the entire national security team wanted to arm and train them that he turned them down, mr. carney -- >> well, senator -- >> so the fact is -- >> i think we have to agree to disagree. >> no, facts are stubborn
things. you, in your role as a spokesperson bragged about the fact that the last american combat troop had left iraq. if we had left a residual force the situation would not be what it is today and there would be a lot more -- >> senator, i can posit with great respect for you that we disagree on that, that you -- >> you don't have the facts mr. carney. that is the problem. >> senator, i understand that you present the facts that you believe or true based on the argument that you've made for a long time that we should leave troops in iraq in perpetuity. >> you have your facts wrong and distorted them. >> today, jay carney's successor was asked about it at the white house press briefing. >> you heard on cnn last night
your former boss get into it with senator john mccain. and even today on the senate floor we heard him saying that it was the iraqis who wanted a residual force to stay there. and if you heard the back and forth, who is right. >> i heard a little bit of back and forth. i heard enough of the back and forth that i'm tempted to defer all the questions of senator john mccain to my former boss. >> gloria, first of all we should just point out to set the record straight that we did not plan to have that back and forth. we were interviewing senator mccain who lobbed something against jay carney, and he responded, and back and forth, that is how it began. really you see people of that level, a sitting senator and key white house aide or former key
white house aide duking it out on television. >> right, now everybody is so savvy about who they want to be on tv with, they're sort of like, okay, i want to be alone and don't want to be with this person or that person. and with this whole confluence of events, they engaged substantively, they engaged -- i spoke to somebody who knew john mccain who said while the mccain folks didn't intend for this to happen they were pretty happy from their point of view that it did happen. i think each of them had a point of view, particularly about whether if the u.s. forces had stayed whether we would be in this situation with isis or whether we could have done more to keep a residual force there. these are the arguments that are being played out in the congress right now. >> right, and peter, they clearly see this completely
different. john mccain makes the argument that the iraqis actually wanted it and had president obama really wanted it they could have worked out some sort of agreement on the status of forces agreement. jay carney claims the president would have been fine with it. the iraqis said no, and there were others if they had a u.s. military force and the iraqis fell apart, some say it wouldn't have happened. then the u.s. would have been in a position to perhaps try to rescue tens of thousands of u.s. military personnel. >> right, these are the nature of counter-factuals. we can say public opinion in iraq was hostile to the u.s. staying. the u.s. was very unpopular in iraq. now, it is certainly possible that there were key iraqi leaders and politicians who we might have been able to get them to go against the will of their people. i think it is probably true in retrospect the obama administration wishes it tried
harder. the truth is, it is hard for americans to accept that the americans' presence in iraq was very unpopular among the iraqis. >> the other thing that was interesting in that discussion, the content of it, one thing i actually pushed back on jay, that then senator mccain picked up on, jay's belief or claim that the opposition on the ground is sort of in a better position than they were two or three years ago, that doesn't seem to be the case. they have suffered huge losses on the battlefield, not just against the regime, but al nu a nusra. and the former military commanders who have gone over to al nusra, or the other isol groups. >> and john mccain said i've been on the ground in syria and i know what the situation is now and i know what the situation was two or three years ago. and you don't have the facts on
his side. but he is clearly arguing the case still, the closest thing to a senior official that john mccain is going to get to argue with because he is just recently out. and he is still making the president's points about this which is he did not want to arm them. >> peter that is the most difficult point for the u.s. in change on the ground in syria, who will they actually deal with, they don't want to put u.s. boots on the ground. >> they are much more confident in iraq where they have the peshmerga than in syria. look in retrospect if we knew now what we knew then, no question we should have been arming the free syria army, because they're the only potential group we can ally with. of course we would want them to be stronger. >> but jay was not going to say that. let me point out, by the way, the irony in all of this, of course senator mccain is supporting the extra money the
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