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these are the first two strikes we've seen that have come outside the original two categories of u.s. air strikes in iraq which were to protect u.s. personnel and to protect minorities under threat from isis and, therefore, the first ones to follow the president's speech when he announced a couple of weeks ago saying they're going on offense, no longer on defense. >> and do we know -- the isis forces, they were the once on the offensive against these iraqi forces in southwest of baghdad? >> well, they were fighting. these were iraqi operations under way against isis forces that we've known for some time have been within proximity of baghdad, but i think, you know, that is important that it was near the capital because this is -- it's a vulnerable point. the fact that isis can carry out operations even close to there is a real worry. you see the iraqi forces on the ground pushing back and u.s. war planes supporting them from the air. >> jim, we're going to have more with you later on in the program. we'll check back shortly. now a story that touches two absolutely basics for tens if not hundreds of millions of americans, parenthood and pro
football. people have been talking ever since a texas grand jury has indicted minnesota running back adrian peterson last week on a felony child abuse charge. to remind you, this is what he did to his son with a switch, a tree branch. the child is 4 years old. the injuries included cuts on his thighs, buttocks, and scrotum. today two, days after benching him, without his services losing a game to new england, the vikings cleared him to play next weekend. at the same time peterson through his lawyer released a statement we'll read more fully in a moment. in a key passage peterson says he did what he did out of love and according to the way he himself was raised. "i've always believed," he writes, "that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success i've enjoyed as a man." he's talking about a style of parenting that many americans will recognize and in many cases endorse and others call all-out brutality, no matter what the
intention. first ed lavandera. >> reporter: the pictures are startling, skin lacerations inflicted by adrian peterson on his 4-year-old son. the professional football star called it a whooping, using a thin tree branch, 10 to 15 times. texas prosecutors say it is child abuse. >> a grand jury having indicted this case looked at the injuries that were inflicted upon this child and determined that that discipline was not reasonable and did not reflect the community standard of what was reasonable discipline. >> reporter: we've also learned new details of text messages peterson allegedly sent the boy's mother in minnesota after the lashing. peterson wrote he felt bad after the fact "when i noticed the switch was wrapping around hitting thigh." another text was more graphic. got him in the nuts once i noticed. "but i felt so bad. i'm all tearing that butt up when needed. i start putting them in time-out and save the whooping for needed memories." in a later message he said
"never do i go yofr board but all my kids will know hey daddy has the biggie heart but don't play no games when it comes to acting right." nick wright is a sports radio talk show host in houston where peterson lives part of the year. he's familiar with the new and extensive details in the peterson police report. according to wright, the incident happened after the little boy had pushed another of peterson's children off of a motorcycle video game. >> he called it a standard whooping. he said the only parts of this that were different from usual were when the switch wrapped around the child's leg and cut the front of his leg and the one that hit the child on the genitals. he said aside from that he was asked by police are the marks on the child, you know, worse than usual. and he said on his butt, no. he said on his butt, that's what a whooping is. >> reporter: wright says the little boy also told police that he was scared of his father, that he was often punished in what the boy described as the whooping room. and that peterson had lots of belts. the boy talked about his father putting leaves in his mouth while he was lashed.
wright also says peterson spoke with investigators in a 40-minute phone conversation where he justified disciplining his son with this kind of force. >> you listen to the audio of adrian peterson with the police, and he comes across honestly as a loving parent who truly believes he was doing what was right for his son, who feels badly about two specific unintentional injuries. adrian peterson is very self-assured that he not only loves his children but that this type of discipline -- at least he sounded self-assured at the time that this discipline was necessary and this type of discipline was more mild than the discipline he received that helped turn him into the man that he is today. >> reporter: in a statement adrian peterson wrote that after meeting with a psychologist there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate. "i am without a doubt not a child abuser." and after missing only one game,
the minnesota vikings announced back on the football field this coming weekend. >> what else did he say when he spoke to investigators on the phone? >> that was kind of interesting. according to nick wright after we spoke with him and from what he was able to see, is that adrian peterson admitted to police this wasn't the only time during this boy's visit with him back in may at his houston home that he had been punished in this way. and according to nick wright, he said it didn't seem like police, from what he was able to hear, didn't seem that police understood or knew that there had been a second incident. what police are doing with that we're not being told at this point. but it was an interesting revelation nonetheless. >> ed lavandera. appreciate it. millions have been talking about this and the ray rice story with one another online and on gameday television. here's nba hall of famer charles barkley on cbs's "nfl today" with jim roam defending peterson. >> i'm from the south.
whipping is -- we do that all the time. every black parent in the south is going to be in jail under those circumstances. i think we have to be careful letting people dictate how -- >> doesn't matter where you're from. right is right and wrong is wrong. it doesn't matter where you're from. >> well, i don't believe that. because, listen, we spank kids in the south. i think the question about did adrian peterson go overboard? but listen, jim, we all grow up in different environments. listen, every black parent in my neighborhood in the south would be in trouble or in jail under those circumstances. >> joining us is attorney and children's advocate, areva martin, "new york times" columnist charles blow and senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. charles, what about that? charles barkley essentially saying, look, if you talk to african-americans from the south, you're going to hear this story a lot. >> well, i think that in general what the data tell us is that american parents spank. african-americans spank slightly more than other parents, but
it's statistically significant. but it is not -- >> but spanking is a lot different than taking a tree branch. >> and that is the point where i completely disagree with charles barkley and where i find adrian peterson's explanation to be incredibly sad, which is that he probably genuinely believes that drawing blood is an expression of love. and that is a sad kind of testament to what he believes parent should be. the idea that you believe as a 6'1", nearly 220-pound man should beat a child who is 4 years old until he has lacerations on his body, that is not love. he may believe that it's love. he may believe that he didn't plan to abuse a child. he may not believe that he's an abuser. but that is not what an expression of love is. i'm so happy that he said that he saw a child psychiatrist and now he knows that there are
alternate ways. spanking and particularly that kind of brutal spanking is always the easy way out. it takes 30 seconds. >> how does this play out? can you say, well, look, this is the way i was raised. my father put leaves in my mouth and had a whooping room. >> well, texas law is actually quite clear on this. basically, texas says if your behavior is reasonable under community standards then it's not a crime. so if the jury were to decide, if this case goes to trial, that this sort of whooping is reasonable in the community, then it wouldn't be a crime. i can't conceive of any circumstances in which a jury would find that. he can call it an expression of love. there are very religious families who love their children and say we are going to withhold medical treatment because our religion demands it. that's not an excuse. just because you think it's the right thing to do, that's not an excuse. and this is not -- >> this point that peterson made he believes this type of discipline prevented him from
being lost in the streets and contributed to his success. >> well, he may have been not lost in the street, anderson, but clearly he's repeating the cycle of violence. and what we now know is that parents who are hit and treat their kids with abusive behavior likely have been abused themselves as kids. the reality is all things lawful are not expedient. so the fact that it may be lawful in the state of texas doesn't make it the right thing to do. everyone's talking about adrian peterson. i want to stand up for that 4-year-old child. i was hit as a child. for adrian to say he was hit and somehow that's right, it was wrong when my mom hit me, when my dad hit me, when adrian's parents hit him, and it's wrong today to hit a child, to use corporal punishment in any form is abusive. and long-term scars can happen as a result of that. >> we can have a discussion about corporal punishment and spanking. that's really an issue for parents to decide. when it gets to these sorts of wounds, this is not an issue for parents. this is an issue for law
enforcement. and so i think we really need to draw a distinction here. this is not a case about spanking. this is a case about a kid with serious injuries. >> and i think there's also a dangerous message being sent if we start to attribute success and staying out of the streets to being violently attacked by your parents. >> also if you are repeatedly doing this to your child over the course of a weekend, doesn't seem to be working very well. >> right. it's the lazy way. you say you were punished for a week and you can't have a nintendo or whatever you're playing, that actually takes you as the parent engaging for the entire length of the punishment. this kind of spanking, brutal kind of whipping takes 30 seconds to a minute and you're done. kind of a lazy, easy way out. people may choose it but -- >> i read there was a columnist for the grio that said it's a longstanding african-american
institution, quote, both feared and revered. i think making sort of a reference back to slavery. >> i think there are a lot of people who believe that that's true. and i think that -- and that is also a part of the sadness of it. that for, you know, for so many years there's been a tremendous amount, disproportionate amount of violence visited on black bodies. and for us to then internalize that and take that into our homes and say that is the way -- the only way we can succeed and it's the only way we can be made to behave. that's not -- >> areva, what point did you want to make? >> i also want to say, anderson, you know, we used to not wear helmets when we rode bikes. women used to smoke when they were pregnant. we used to send our kids to segregated schools. there are lots of things we did 20 and 30 years ago that we now know are hurtful and harmful to kids that we know are no longer acceptable. as we've evolved as a society, we're called upon to do better with with respect to how we raise our children. >> you don't buy that my parents
did that, this is the way i was brought up, it worked for me? >> no. my parents put me on a bike without a helmet. that was dangerous then, that is dangerous now. they didn't know any better. but now we know better. we have the data. we have the statistics. we have the studies that confirm that their long-term psychological, emotional scars from hitting children. we can't bury our heads in the sand on this one. we have to accept that data, accept the harm that's done to kids, and just stop hitting. we tell 5-year-olds no hitting. we criminalize assaults by adults on other adults. so we can't accept an adult hitting a child when we don't accept an adult hitting an adult. >> how does the law draw the line? what, a spanking is okay but using a switch that causes a bloody wound, that's not? >> that's right. and ultimately these are jury questions. under texas law, this is a classic jury question. what does the community regard as reasonable? that question doesn't have an obvious answer, but it's placed in the hands of juries to decide. i'm not on the jury in this
case. we have to see all the evidence. but i can easily believe an integrated jury, any racially composed jury would say, you know what? this kid was 4 years old. you can't do that to a 4-year-old. and that's what the law says. >> jeff toobin, appreciate it. charles blow. areva martin. jeff will stick around. there are several new developments in the ray rice domestic violence story. he's got till tomorrow night to appeal his indefinite suspension for punching out his wife, knocking her unconscious. meantime, we're learning just how unevenly the league and the legal system punishes people in this situation. as always a quick reminder. make sure you set your dvrs so you can watch "360" whenever you want. we'll be right back with more on that. take and... exhale.in... aflac! and a gentle wavelike motion... aahhh- ahhhhhh. liberate your spine,
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deadline is tomorrow night for ray rice to appeal his indefinite suspension for punching and knocking out his fiancee in an atlantic city casino back in february. he is expected to appeal. he made his first public appearance over the weekend in his new york home town. his supporters, meantime, have begun speaking out against the suspension and against nfl commissioner roger goodell. more from miguel marquez who joins us now. so it looks like this could come down to ray rice's claims against the nfl commissioners. >> that's exactly where it seems to be headed. interestingly roger goodell was supposed to be at a san francisco game this weekend and he didn't show up. and it seems that mr. rice is getting out there.
going to new rochelle to a high school football game there, back to the beginning basically and get back out there into public life. this is headed back down that road, it appears. roger goodell saying that he was either led astray or misled or lied to by mr. rice during that june 16th meeting. he's been saying that now several time over the last week while rice, at least his side of the camp, saying that it was goodell that was told everything by ray rice, and that he didn't hear it and made his decision on the two-game suspension and only changed his mind once that tmz sports video came out showing the inside of the elevator in that atlantic city casino. >> and miguel, what happens when rice actually appeals the suspension? what happens? how does that work? >> we're hoping to find out more about the nfl, under what article of the collective bargaining agreement they brought it under. we believe it's article 46, which if that's the case there are several things that are fairly interesting. one is you can't punish the same
player twice for the same thing. he was dismissed by the ravens and the league put an indefinite suspension on him. now, goodell is saying that is an indefinite suspension because he was led astray, not for the beating of janay palmer back in february. so it's unclear where it goes from here, but once that appeal is made, then it will kick into a process where there will literally be a sort of court hearing inside the nfl where outside experts will be brought in. rice will be able to bring in people to talk on his side, and the nfl will present its own evidence and perhaps a body outside of roger goodell will make the final call. anderson? >> miguel, thanks for the update. let's dig deeper on ray rice's punishment. allegations of hypocrisy and back side covering by the nfl. jeff toobin's back. legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin as well. i mean, jeff, the argument made by rice that basically he's getting punished twice. originally he was told to have a two-game suspension and then
this new thing and that's unfair. >> article 46 appears to say that if you're punished by the team, you can't be punished by the league. if you're punished by the league, you can't be punished by the team. however, the one thing i really want to caution everybody, this is really complicated. you have the intersection of the union agreement, the players contract, the nfl's own rules, and these things take a long time. i'm not in any position to predict with certainty how this will be resolved. but once this appeal starts the lawyers take over. and this could get complicated and the resolution is uncertain. >> it's interesting now miguel saying that roger goodell saying i was kind of misled. that's not what we heard from the coach of the team in that press conference where he said no, nothing ray rice said was any different -- everything that's come out is pretty much what he told us. there must have been a roomful of attorneys in that meeting between goodell and ray rice. at least ray rice's attorneys were there.
it must be pretty clear what was actually said. >> no question about it. we know that the meeting took place and there were representatives for ray rice and representatives for the nfl. but i think the larger question is how could goodell and the nfl have screwed this up, have botched this up so much that ray rice now has the ability to appeal? and i think, jeff, that he has solid ground. i think he's standing on solid ground, quite frankly, because we know that he was suspended for two games. if he indeed told the truth and there was a video showing the aftermath of the knockout -- >> and a police report. >> and a police report that clearly says he hit her and rendered her unconscious. i looked at the police report today. there was really nothing different that occurred other than the fact that this videotape was shown to the public. what do they think domestic violence looks like? >> a second video has come out and there's been a public outcry. >> and the nfl's embarrassed. and remember, it may be that the nfl had the elevator video as well because the a.p. report. so the nfl is not on the strongest legal grounds here
basically saying we increased the punishment because we were embarrassed. that's not a strong argument. however, the league has a lot of power under these agreements. and so i just don't think -- i know the law well enough to be able to predict how this will come out. >> i want to play something that cris carter, a former player and espn analyst, said over the weekend. >> take him off the danggone field. because you know what? as a man that's the only thing we really respect. we don't respect no women. we don't respect no kids. the only thing roger and them can do is take them off the field because they respect that. >> to his point, does the nfl have a problem here? this is now ray rice is not the only guy out there that's done this and, frankly, others have been convicted of it and still play. >> it's a significant problem. it's a crisis in my view. we're now seeing this incident. we're talking about adrian peterson and child abuse. he's going to suit up and play again.
what message is that sending to me as a woman? what message is that saying to children? domestic violence is okay, child beating is okay. the nfl just going to -- >> you're putting them in the same category. >> i think it's exactly the same category. i think it's about abuse against women and children and that abuse being condoned quite frankly by the nfl's actions. >> now, the nfl i think to its credit just hired four very prominent domestic violence experts to try to articulate and help them formulate a policy. one of the many problems of the nfl's response here is that the rules were very unclear. basically dumped it all in goodell's lap that he could be the emperor who decided each case was resolved on its own merits. the problem with that is you don't have clear rules so that you have somebody people who have been convicted of domestic violence playing. you have some people who have been suspended. the length of the suspension is up for grabs.
so the fact they've hired these good people and at least in the future i hope will have good rules -- >> i have to completely disagree with you, jeff. that's because we know after the scandal erupted, what did goodell do? he did implement a policy. right? he implemented this two-game suspension and then -- i guess a lifetime ban from the league for a second offense for domestic violence. he's playing catch-up. the nfl's playing catch-up. so to name these four women as domestic violence experts on his team at this point i think is too little, i think it's too late, and it's tone deaf. it goes to show they don't know -- >> as we report on last week, compared to other major league sports franchises, the nfl is actually more out in front than anyone else. i'm not saying -- i'm not saying that says anything, but it is kind of -- it was surprising to me to learn that they actually now have a policy on the books. a lot of the others don't even have policies. >> when you're behind you play catch-up. they're playing catch-up now. more power to them. the nfl should have a clear
policy on this. they've hired some experts to do it. the other league should do it as well. but i don't think that's a bad thing. i think that's a good thing. >> the players association of the nfl saying ray rice should get a second chance. do you believe in second chances? >> you know, i thing i believe in zero tolerance. for domestic violence. >> this is the first time he's ever been charged -- allegations have been made against him. this is the first time. >> yes. >> not as if there's a record here. >> i think so. i believe in zero tolerance for domestic violence. violence against children. violence against women. and you know, more often than not there's this recidivism when it comes to domestic violence. people don't really learn. so to give -- i think playing in the nfl is a privilege. it's not a right. and to behave so casually after he struck his wife and knocked her unconscious, i think the way peterson is behaving casually and coming out with a statement saying i'm not a child abuser
when in fact mr. peterson is a child abuser, i think, you know, those incidents, you don't get a second chance. >> we'd be a better society if we gave everybody who went to prison the right to vote and the chance to re-establish their lives, and i think people should have second chances. >> jeff toobin, sunny hostin. thank you very much. good discussion. for all the unfairness and hypocrisy that rice supporters blame on the nfl, it's the legal system that touches many more people, specifically diversion programs like the one ray rice took advantage of. and the woman you're about to meet would also seem to be perfectly suited for, for a diversion program. it was the same jurisdiction, same prosecutor, very different outcome. randi kaye tonight explains. >> reporter: shanine allen was driving in new jersey when she was stopped by police for a simple traffic violation. in the car with her, her brand new handgun. >> when i went in there to -- when i went in my purse to give them my license and my registration, i also gave him my
license to carry with it. that's why i told him i have my firearm on me. >> reporter: trouble is, shanine's license to carry was for her home state of pennsylvania. just across state lines from where she was pulled over in new jersey. she says she had no idea it didn't transfer state to state. she had just bought the gun a week earlier after being mugged. still, this single mother of two was handcuffed and arrested on the spot. charged with both illegal possession of a firearm and possession of hollow-point ammunition. she's now facing more than 11 years in prison. how worried are you about going to prison? >> very worried. i'm worried every minute, every day. i have to worry about where my kids are going to go, what's going to happen to them. >> reporter: this is the man looking to put shanine in prison, atlanta county prosecutor jim mclean, the very
same man who chose not to prosecute ray rice. rice was charged in the same county with aggravated assault. he pleaded not guilty and applied for a special intervention program that gives arrestees a chance to wipe their record clean. in may, prosecutor mcclain approved rice for that program. the pretrial intervention program, or pti as it's called, allows first-time offenders to avoid prison and probation. those accepted into the program have to get counseling, do community service, and stay out of trouble. once the program is complete, all charges are dropped. rice was facing up to five years in prison when he got into the program. shanine is facing more than double that. yet a month before clearing ray rice for the pti program prosecutor mcclain refused shanine's request to enter the same program. >> why do you think the prosecutor denied you access into the program? >> he's trying to be tough on guns. and using me as an example. the pti program was for
first-timers and that's what i should have got. >> reporter: prosecutor mcclain declined our request for an interview. but his office gave us this statement -- "mr. rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in atlantic county that any first-time offender has in similar circumstances." adding "the decision was correct." are you angry? >> very, very angry. i'm frustrated. i think that our situation should be switched. i should have got pti and he should get years in prison. so he definitely got a pass. >> it's kind of an amazing case, randi. where does her case stand now? >> anderson, tonight we're learning the prosecutor is going to take another look at shaneen's case. he sent this letter dated september 12th, just friday, addressed to the superior court judge telling him that he, the prosecutor is, quote, "reviewing our office's position on the appropriate resolution of this matter." the prosecutor, anderson, is
asking for three weeks' time to review everything and for the court to delay the start of the trial and the pretrial hearings. the trial was supposed to start in october. maybe he's caving to all the attention and the pressure this case is getting due to the ray rice connection, or maybe not. but anderson, shaneen allen has certainly found hope for the first time in nearly a year. >> and let's just reiterate here. she was just over the state line. it was a legal -- she had a permit. she voluntarily told the police officer she had a permit. it wasn't like she was hiding this gun in her car. it's really stunning. >> yeah, she had it in her purse when she was going for her license and her registration. she saw the gun and she immediately told the police officer. he grabbed her purse and immediately she said he called for backup and arrested her on the spot. >> we'll talk about this in the next hour because this is just a stunning case. juxtaposed with the same prosecutor who treated ray rice to a diversion program. as u.s. air strikes ramp up against isis and offensive operations begin, isis murders
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breaking news tonight, the u.s. military's conducted air strikes against an isis position near baghdad. a senior military official telling cnn they are the closest strikes to the capital since the start of the campaign. this comes as the u.s. is building an international coalition to fight isis terrorists. but just which countries will be involved and exactly what way, that has not become clear. secretary of state john kerry has just wrapped up a trip to the middle east to try to get support. he says countries are willing to help with strikes, but he also said on "face the nation" that it isn't appropriate to talk about which countries specifically and what their role is going to be. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto joins us now. so what do we know about this coalition? is any country publicly involved? >> you do have public commitments and you have some private commitments. the private commitments involving western nations. france that says it will carry out surveillance flights over iraq and air strikes over iraq. you have australia sending eight f/a-18 military aircraft to the region to take part in strikes.
they're also sending 200 advisers. canada sending 50 military advisers. you have those kinds of public commitments from western nations. you do have private commitments from arab nations. i was told today by a senior u.s. military official that more than one arab nation has agreed to take part in air strikes. so-called kinetic activity. but typically it is unlikely for these countries to advertise their support because they face very critical populations at home from those countries. it's more likely to be on the down low and private than from many countries in europe and the west. >> there's a difference of commitment to actually strike inside iraq as opposed to strike inside syria, right? >> there is. you see that for instance with france. it's agreeing to flights and air strikes over iraq but not syria. even the u.s. we've seen it's carried out nearly 200 strikes inside iraq. still waiting for that first air strike inside syria. i'm told that's not going to happen necessarily anytime soon.
there are a few reasons for that. one, in iraq you have a ground force there to back up with air strikes. you've got the kurdish forces, you have the iraqi military. you don't have that yet in syria. in fact, i'm told it's going to take about a year to train just 5,000 moderate syrian rebels to fight against isis. it's going to take a long time, plus just the intelligence picture that much worse in syria than it is in iraq. >> you hear from john mccain, who was on our air last week saying, look, these people have been vetted, we know who these people are. but is that really true? you look at the map of the different groups that are fighting, the changing lines. it seems they're all over the place. in terms of -- >> they are. >> -- their allegiances. >> there are a thousand different groups, a thousand different allegiances there. it's hard to divine that. the administration says that it's much more knowledgeable today than it was even six months or 12 months ago about who they can trust on the ground. but even with that, you know, it's going to take a number of
months to train the folks that they trust and to arm them, et cetera, to make them into something of a capable fighting force, but even at the end of the year you're only talking about 5,000 fighters. on iraq you've got hundreds of thousands of ground forces including the iraqi military and kurdish military. it's an entirely different calculus. >> and also, by the way, huge numbers of iraqi military who have been trained for years and years and years with huge amounts of money. and we've seen what they're able to do so far on the battlefield. jim, appreciate it. the major questions are how big of a threat does isis pose to the united states and what's it going to do to take to defeat it? republican senator lindsey graham says the idea the united states will never have boots on the ground in syria is a fantasy. listen to what he said on fox news sunday, particularly the last sentence of what he says. >> this is a war we're fighting. it is not a counterterrorism operation. this is not somalia. this is not yemen. this is a turning point in the war on terror. our strategy will fail yet again. this president needs to rise to
the occasion before we all get killed back here at home. >> before we all get killed back here at home. joining us now cnn political commentator peter beinart a contributing editor at atlantic media and senior editor at the atlantic foundation. also retired army lieutenant general mark hurtling who was commander of the u.s. forces in iraq from 2007 to 2009. peter when you hear lindsey graham saying we might all get killed here at home, is that just hysteria? it does seem like there have been a few publicly kind of saying, wait a minute, is isis really as big a threat to the united states right now as some have been claiming? >> yeah, i think it is hysteria and typical of the hysteria coming from some of the republicans on capitol hill. if you listen to the terrorism experts that study this, what they will say is there's a significant potential threat from isis because they control all this territory, they have money, there are a lot of westerners who may go back and commit acts of terror, although it's more like to be the lone wolf attacks that you saw with the underwear bomber than the
kind of large skailt pl-scale pl qaeda did. but that's a potential threat. it's different than saying they're a greater threat today than al qaeda was on the eve of 9/11, as some republicans have said. i think to his credit lindsey graham rightfully said that if you think isis is that big a threat you should support american troops on the ground. but i think the obama administration's assessment is that it's not that great a threat now, which is why they're pursuing this different strategy. >> general, do you believe it's a great threat to the united states? when lindsey graham says we could all get killed here at home, are you -- i'm not saying you're not concerned. but are you that concerned right now? >> i am not concerned right now, anderson. it is a potential threat in the future. but i also think right now isis is probably re-evaluating based on the eventual coalescence of a coalition against them. they've tried to consolidate their territory. they're doing things to establish an islamic state in the area between syria and iraq and perhaps in other places. but that's their major concern right now.
and if i were the enemy commander, i'd be thinking to myself, holy smokes, the rest of the world is getting ready to coalesce against me and bring a coalition. i better start consolidating my territory and not really being concerned about taking attacks outside of this area. as peter said there's certainly the potential for a lone wolf. but i don't think that's a great potential right now today. could be in the future, but not today. >> general, from a military standpoint, isis really has not faced a capable military enemy on the ground or even from the air. the iraqi forces they face were badly led by generals who had really no battlefield experience and were put in there by nuri al maliki for political reasons basically, so they had no leadership, and a lot of the peshmerga forces were young and also their lines were pretty stretched thin. so they haven't really been all that battle tested against real troops. correct? >> i would agree with you there, anderson.
the other thing i would suggest to you is what they also haven't had either for or against them is air power. i'm not suggesting that air power is the only way to strike isis. there has to be forces on the ground to countertheir offensive. but it's critical to note if you're a historian, that any time you conduct warfare in the desert, the side that has the air power is going to win because it is a flat table top. it is a flat surface. and you can go after targets a lot easier than you can in wooded terrain or mountainous terrain. that's going to be critical. but the combination of air power with ground forces and perhaps the build-up of the peshmerga, the iraqi security forces, are going to attrit isis in a great degree. and i agree, they have not been encountered yet by a significant force. >> and peter, i don't want people to think i'm discounting the possible threat from isis or as you said the threat of lone wolves here who are ideologically motivated to see their videos and say i'm part of ice pips but do i think there's
a danger in making them seem ten feet tall and invincible. it seems to play into the propaganda that they want us to believe. >> this is in many ways not surprising by people like lindsey graham and john mccain a return to what we saw with george w. bush, who continually compared al qaeda to the nazis, the soviets. and in that way exaggerated the threat. not to say there wasn't a threat. there was a threat. there was a terrible attack on the united states on 9/11. but there's been no threat anywhere near that in the more than decade since then. and i think the challenge for policy makers is to recognize yes, there's a threat. yes, the u.s. needs to be vigilant. yes, the u.s. needs to have all the air strikes at least in iraq against isis, but not to so overreact that you do things that are counterproductive. and when i hear people like lindsey graham, again, talking about sending boots on the ground, that would be the best thing in the world for isis to entrap us on another ground war. >> to americanize the situation. >> exactly. >> peter beinart, thank you. general hurtling, great you have to on the program again. just ahead we're going to return
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