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utterly foul and disgusting, look at how impolite. the gentlemen treating his warts on the plane. next is anderson, who would never do anything ungentlemanly. and another pro football player facing domestic violence charges. we'll tell you why police arrested jonathan dwyer. also the latest on the alleged killer. >> and said to be armed like a member of the old warsaw pact. and a story you will only see here, the latest in our efforts, drew griffin's investigative teams to expose people who are letting america's wounded warriors down, raising millions in their name, taking your money and lining their own pockets with the proceeds. tonight, the focus is on a charity, one that is amazingly still doing business if you can
call it that. it is not only that, who we've learned who is running the outfit is truly mind-bending. and it comes on a day when the officials took blame for another incident with the scandals. drew griffin was at the hearing today. what happened? >> anderson, the big question at this congressional hearing is to what happened at the phoenix v.a. did veterans die waiting for care and did the actual wait kill them? the report we talked about released a couple of weeks ago by the inspectors' general office, today we learned the inspector general team actually did not examine all the deaths of veterans who died waiting for care. and in fact, didn't look at the records of thousands of veterans waiting for care which take a listen, some congressmen found just incredible. >> there are 6600 veterans cases that apparently were not
reviewed. and that in the report, why they decided not to review the cases. i feel like there were more veterans who died. >> there was nothing to review if they didn't get in the door. he was reviewing medical records and if they didn't have an appointment, they didn't get a review -- >> would you agree that the wait lists caused the deaths? >> i would say that it may have contributed to their death. but we can't say conclusively it caused. >> of course, you can't say conclusively it didn't. >> the bottom line from this hearing is the phoenix v.a., anderson, was, appears to be still somewhat of a mess. no one really has been fired in all of this. and despite the fact there are 9300 hospitals under investigation across the country, and that they are
investigating possible criminal violations. >> again, tonight, involving the veterans, this terrible charity we have been following despite our reporting and actually been investigated by the state of california continues to rake in money in the name of veterans. here is drew's report. >> reporter: help hospitalized veterans is one of the most troubling charities we've ever reported on. its mission is to take in donations and helping veterans by sending in arts and crafts kits, models, to occupy the time of vets who are hospitalized. the charity has been raking in donations for more than 40 years. and in 2011 and 2012 the last two years the charity filed tax returns it collected $64 million. those same filings showed its officers paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries, donated money, paid for $80,000 in golf club
memberships and directors and their spouses were approved to travel first class for any function related to the charity. all the money supposedly donated to help hospitalized veterans. >> hello, mr. lynch. >> reporter: when we confronted their then ceo two years ago about what this organization actually does, mike lynch said he would explain it tomorrow. tomorrow came and we got this? >> i have a statement that i have prepared. says, we hope that these unproving allegations will not diminish the more than 40 years of service we provided our veterans. hhv looks forward to the chance to tell their story and hopes this action will not impede its ability to provide hospitalized support nationwide. thank you very much. >> well, i have to ask you about the money, though, i mean, that doesn't answer any questions about the money that they're --
that is it? that is all you have -- all you guys are going to say? >> the state of california cracked down on the charity, forced it to change its board, retire its ceo and pay back $4 million in fines. and even more shocking, cnn just learned the veteran's administration itself banned help hospitalize veterans from having anything to do with its veterans or patients for the past two years, something help hospitalize veterans never bothered to mention on its website. but in a real twist, they survived. how? by hiring this woman to run its operation. and this is where the poor management of the v.a., the department of veterans affairs and the very bad charities intersect. diane heartman was an
administrator with the veteran's organization for years until the investigation found her taking lavish trips and using money to cover it up. according to the v.a.'s office of the inspector general, heartman misused time and travel, and improperly used hundreds of hours of unauthorized compensatetory leave herself. it was not enough for hartman to get fired. she retired a year later after a more than 30 year career with the v.a. so what does diane hartman have to do with the help hospitalize veterans? this disgraced charity was looking for a new ceo, and apparently she was the perfect fit. >> i can't believe a charity of that stature could possibly
overlook that allegation. that was not only somebody there, that was a long, thorough well-vetted report and what they concluded are activities that no ceo, i would say actually no charity employee should have in his or her background. >> hartman has been the ceo here for two years, but when we began to ask questions, her status changed. she is now listed interim ceo. and that ban on help hospitalize veterans from doing business with the administration, well, it has just been extended another two years. at the warehouse, the workers looked busy, putting together the craft kits. at least that is what we were able to see until they shut the door. the charity says they're finding alternative avenues to distribute the craft kits. but where are they sending them and why is this charity still collecting money? we wanted to talk to the new
ceo. >> hello. >> hi, is diane hartman in? >> she is not available. >> is she in? >> she is not available. >> can we talk to somebody about help hospitalize veterans, my name is drew griffin. >> even though hartman was just upstairs, they call the plant manager, whose name is chip. >> hey, chip, drew griffin with cnn, i was trying to reach diane hartman, i understand she is here but not available. i want to ask you about this letter you guys have with v.a. hospitals. you can't work in v.a. hospitals or have access to v.a. hospital, and i want to know how you continue to operate if you can't deliver any products that you say you deliver to veterans and hospitals. >> i don't have any comment to that. i -- you know, am not -- i don't know how to comment to that. >> can anybody comment? i mean, you're asking the public for donations and you're getting millions in donations.
and yet the v.a. doesn't want you to have anything to do with any of their hospital services or veterans. it would seem that somebody at this facility should be able to explain what is going on. >> i'm not part of that operation. i don't have -- >> can you find anybody who is part of that operation. this is the operation, right? diane is upstairs, right? >> yeah. >> can she come down? >> i don't know, i don't know -- >> can you go ask her maybe or just give her a call? >> i haven't been able to get hold of her this morning. she is tied up. >> tied up. >> between meetings. >> does she have an assistant? >> no. okay. >> so i don't know if you can make an appointment -- >> well, we have tried. we have tried. maybe i'll ask this person here, is there any chance of making an appointment with diane? >> you can leave your
information. >> okay, we tried that route already. haven't gotten a call back. >> yeah, i answer the phones here, i'm sorry. >> what makes me so outraged about this, these people are so sleazy, they're taking people's money. and if they were a real charity, if they were a legitimate charity, they should at least give you an appointment, and be completely transparent and be completely willing to say oh, here is how we deliver kits to hospitals even though we have been banned by the veteran's hospitals we supposedly deliver these kits to. here is how we do it. and chip is standing there like this is the first he has ever heard of it like he doesn't even know he works for this sleazy organization. >> it doesn't make sense, and anderson, you're involved with charities that do good works. and what is the first thing they do. please come with us, we'll show you -- >> they're eager for attention. these guys are to quote mike wallace from 60 minutes, they're
running away like cockroaches, running away from the cameras. >> that is exactly it, the people they target and send in money, i hate to say it, anderson. they're not watching our show. they're elderly people, people who are soft sells through the mail and they don't get the information that we're delivering right now to all of our viewers that if you get something from help hospitalize veterans in the mail you should be very suspicious when they ask you for money. we can't tell that story enough. >> and obviously, the name is so manipulative, of course you get something that says help hospitalize veterans, obviously the state of california agrees with this. the veteran's administration agrees, they continue to exist taking donations. is there nothing that can be done to shut them down? >> like i say, people need to stop giving to this group. it is unfortunate. but the laws are extremely weak, and there is no push to make them any stronger, we did receive a statement from this charity's new chairman of the board, basically saying that
they did know, by the way, about that most recent v.a. letter that bans them from the v.a. and that the charity was trying to reinstate itself, get access to the hospitals hoping for a more favorable outcome. and that the new chairman also blamed employees that are no longer there. they are trying -- they say they are fully focused on rebuilding the trust that was shaken. but they're not going to say it on camera or answer questions. >> how about one of these sleazy people come on camera and do an interview with us, rather than just give out statements, oh, yeah, we're aware that the v.a. has banned us. well, yeah, i am sure they're aware, that is nothing new. anyway, it is just outrageous. >> the invitation is open. the last thing i want to do is truck back to this desert in california and have to knock on
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breaking news involving another nfl runningback. jonathan dwyer of the cardinals has been arrested and facing domestic abuse charges including two counts of assault, one of the alleged victims, an 18 month-old child. in a statement they said they have deactivated dwyer. this comes after adrian peterson was banned from all nfl activities until his felony abuse charges have been resolved. here is what the owner of the team said. >> we have decided that the appropriate course of action for the organization and for adrian is to put him on the exempt list until the legal proceedings are complete. we made a mistake. and we needed to get this right. >> well, the mistake he is talking about was the decision on monday to lift peterson's suspension after the vikings got
beat by the new england patriots. the fallout was immediate, several sponsors have cancelled deals with both the team and peterson, and anheuser-busch, one of the league's biggest sponsors has not pulled out yet but criticized the league's handling of the cases saying we're disappointed and are not yet satisfied with the handling of the cases that go against our own moral code. the panthers placed defensive end hardy who was convicted of domestic violence on their exempt list calling it a voluntary leave. joining me, jeff toobin. >> and this just keeps coming, arizona cardinals, jonathan dwyer, a second string runningback, important part of their team coming over from the pittsburgh steelers. and these allegations came from two separate incidents in july
involving the woman who was the mother of his child. and after the incidents she actually left the state and left him with the child. so the investigation has taken a while as they have tried to get out of state medical records and court documents, things like that. but they actually pulled him out of practice today to question him and he is being arrested and booked pretty much as we speak. >> and the vikings decision to deactivate peterson was really interesting. it was not even out of fans or the public's response, it was when sponsors -- >> or a sense of moral responsibility. i mean, got forbid that anybody employ that around here. >> but it seemed as though when one sponsor spoke out, that is when the decision was reversed. >> and the sponsors were acting because the consumers were upset. it is all a domino situation.
they scribble something out, erase it the next day, adrian peterson has been activated and deactivated. the facts stand. >> and hardy was put on the exempt list, why didn't they suspend them. >> i think the nfl is operating under a complete panic approach. that they are operating day by day trying to figure this thing out as they go. they don't have a clear policy in place and they are just trying to get from one -- not even one week to the next. one day to the next. because as rachel said, you have had the two most prominent people arrested in the nfl. the nfl has changed and the teams have changed their punishments immediately after public reaction. and you know, there is no reason to think that these rulings are at all final and they're going to continue to operate by the
seat of their pants because they don't have a clear policy in place. >> i want to play something that the panthers coach said about the greg hardy situation. >> there are a lot of circumstances that we don't know. there are a lot of situations that we don't understand. and it is hard because you don't know how. you really don't. this is not a normal set of circumstances situation. and when you get into these types of situations you try to handle them the best you can. >> what is kind of stunning about this, i mean, is that there are a lot of circumstances we do understand about this. and i just want to point this out. hardy was found guilty of domestic violence according to his ex-girlfriend's testimony. he beat her, threw her onto a floor into a tub, onto a couch filled with weapons saying he was going to use those weapons to kill her. what else do you need to understand? >> there was a 911 call of another witness to all of this. the reason the coach is sort of
saying oh, these are unusual circumstances, that greg hardy, the player involved has gone to not only the team and the police saying hey, she is making all of this up. his claim is that she got the bruises by throwing herself into the tub somehow. bruising herself, and that she is just making it up despite again a witness calling in to 911. so he is appealing his judged verdict for a jury trial which he is allowed to do in that state. however, anybody on the outside of this team has said over and over again he was convicted. and yes, he has the right to appeal. but while he is appealing there is no way he should be on the field. >> and anderson, if i could just add one thing. you know, just one corner of this bizarre series of developments is sort of the cult of the head coach in football is a big thing. they are you know, the leaders. they are supposedly the masterminds of these complicated operations. and we've seen two of the dumbest comments from harbaugh,
the coach of baltimore, and rivera, what he said made no sense at all and it is just embarrassing that these guys who are so smart on the football field can be so dumb when it comes to human relations. >> and again, dumb after all of this stuff has hit the public's radar. not that these have been made a long time ago, they came out in the wake of it and said stuffmestuff. kind of stunning, all right, jeff, rachel nichols, we'll have more coming up. and what he says is a clear threat from isis, some say president obama is being less than clear on how they wants to handle it. i'll talk to a spokesperson on how he wants to handle the critics. who drove to the control room [ woman ] driverless mode engaged. find parking space. [ woman ] parking space found. [ male announcer ] ...that secured the data that directed the turbines that powered the farm that made the milk that went to the store
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an alliance, few are actually willing to fight at least publicly, whether it is boosting the iraqi government that has not shown it can actually governor on -- govern. as one lawmaker said recently, without openly acknowledging the potential costs of going all in. listen to this, see if it sounds like clear speaking to you or not, first president obama. >> i want to be cleared, the american forces who have been deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. >> well, that is at headquarters in tampa. a clear promise. and secretary kerry testifying today, listen. >> isol must be defeated, period, end of story. and collectively, we are all going to be measured by how we carry out this mission. >> it is a simple commitment and that is about as far as clarity and simplicity go.
and listen to general dempsey today on sending troops. >> if we reach the point where i believe our advisers should accompany iraq troops on the attacks against the specific isol targets i'll recommend that to the president. >> all right, so as a member of the military, dempsey does have clout and his words got noticed. from the anti-war side, "the new york times" treated it as a betrayal. saying. they can't read that as anything but a reversal regarding the ground war in the middle east. there are other doubts as well such as these from former defense secretary robert gates who served presidents bush and obama. >> they're not going to be able to be successful against isis. strictly from the air or strictly depending on the iraqi forces or the peshmerga or the sunni tribes acting on their
own, so there will be boots on the ground if there is to be any hope of success in the strategy. and i think that by continuing to repeat that the president in effect traps himself. >> well, keeping him honest, we have senator john mccain on the program, we asked him tough questions about the risks of getting deeper and deeper into the mess in iraq and syria, earlier today i had a chance to speak with him and josh earnest. >> so josh you said the president wouldn't even consider a combat role in the fight against isis, the president said in front of troops, there will not be troops on the ground. general dempsey said if he felt ground troops were necessary he would recommend that. i want to play what he said. >> if we reach the point where i believe our troops should company on specific isol targets i'll recommend that to the president. >> special forces operators accompanying iraqi troops on
attacks against isis forces that sounds like a combat role. >> anderson what he talked about, that was the advise and assist role that the personnel already have in iraq. he contemplated situations where american military personnel could be deployed with iraqi security forces, and from those deployed situations -- >> but he is talking about going out on attacks. >> when iraqi security forces are carrying out attacks or engaged in combat with the enemy you could imagine a scenario where the american service men and women could be forward deployed alongside them, offering some assistance, maybe even calling in airstrikes, but those american military members would not be in a position where they were directly or personally engaging the enemy in combat. that is the distinction that the president is drawing here. >> but combat is a messy thing and the best laid plans change once bullets are flying. you can't actually say that forward-deployed u.s. military personnel with iraqi troops on
an attack are not going to be in a position where they have to use their own weapons to either defend themselves or to go after the enemy. you can't now say that, can you really? >> the president directed the deployment of some military personnel to iraq to do things like secure the embassy and to staff the joint operation centers to coordinate with the iraqi and kurdish security forces. those troops were equipped for combat, right because they need to be in a position to defend themselves. but ultimately their mission and their role will not be to engage in combat directly with the enemy. that will be the responsibility of the iraqi security forces. t it is the president's view that the american people should not be in a position to provide security for the iraqi military. the iraqi people and government and forces need to step up and take responsibility for the iraqi people. >> they need to but their capabilities are in question at best. as we've seen, their general
corps put together by nouri maliki is incompetent, at best. the forces have not been able to fight certainly in any sunni-controlled areas, probably the most efficient forces they have are the militias. under what scenario do you see the iraqi security forces or the military actually being capable of engaging in combat successfully. and how is that suddenly going to change given all the money and training we've given them. and they have been inept. how in the next few months will it change and they can actually work on the battlefield? >> well, anderson, something has changed. there is a new government in iraq, the previous government under maliki had divided that country. that prime minister maliki governed the country in a way that exposed the sectarian divisions that were prevalent in that country. the new government took control in a way that reflected the diversity in iraq.
>> as you know the iraqi security forces have been decimated by the politicalization of their officer corps. and the generals, many of them didn't even have military experience, they were appointed for political reasons. are you telling me it is going to change just because they have a new prime minister? >> no, what i'm saying is they can actually be confident they're actually fighting for a central government that reflects the interests of the whole country. >> i certainly hope the sunnis share your enthusiasm for this new government. will the u.s. military or military personnel be reaching out to sunnis, to sunni groups just as we did to advent the sunni awakening in 2006 and 2007, will we try to make direct contact or will we solely rely on this new government which you clearly seem to believe has a desire to reach out? >> well, we've seen positive indications from the new central government in their commitment to unifying that country --
>> will the u.s. military personnel reach out? >> i do anticipate that will be part of the responsibility of the personnel in iraq. more importantly's anderson, there are other governments, sunni-led governments that do have a stake in the region. that isis, that is wreaking havoc and perpetrating violence on the people there, it is in the interest of them to counter this threat. >> will they be working with the shiite militias -- >> i'm confident what we'll see, let me say it this way, anderson, we have been clear that the united states will not coordinate our military activities with iran. what we will do, though, is we'll work closely with iraqi security forces and kurdish security forces. >> but as you know, shiite military forces are defending baghdad and are now with the iraqi security force snoos a. >> and they're working with militia forces, we'll work
closely with the iraq and security forces to make sure we're coordinating the effort to take the fight to isol on the ground. that will be the responsibility of iraqi security forces and they will be backed up where appropriate by the use of american ally air power. >> but we don't have a direct policy. there is no way the u.s. will directly guide the shiite militias? >> when we're on the ground we'll work closely to the iraq security forces to advise and assist them as they take the fight to isol on the ground. >> it is a complicated situation. >> thank you, anderson. we should point out that the shiite military forces are working together on the ground. up next, the alleged cop killer, the authorities releasing new details about who this guy is. the manhunt that is going on right now. he is a cold war role player. and how they say he is now bringing that role to deadly life right now. as i said this manhunt is under
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on, authorities say he is out there somewhere tonight armed with a rifle, an ak-47, and a vicious hatred of police. they say he ambushed and shot these two police officers late friday night. killing corporate dickson and wounding alex douglass. this is a picture of eric frein, and that is not all. we have new details on him. >> reporter: pennsylvania state police are piecing together a profile of a man they're calling a killer. 31-year-old eric frein. >> this fellow is very dangerous. >> reporter: the pennsylvania police commissioner frank noonan describes him as a man with a mean streak, who had separatist leanings, a love of guns and a hatred for law enforcement. >> his head is shaved close on the sides, wider than a mohawk,
last seen with no facial hair and wearing a brown, windbreaker, a green backpack. >> they say he is associated with a particular group that reenacted the role of eastern european soldiers during the cold war and simulated combat. >> in his current frame of mind, frein now appears to have assumed that role in his life. >> investigators also say frein was socially withdrawn and had made angry statements about police to people he knew. >> that is one of the real focal points of our investigation is now, why blooming grove -- we really don't know. but we're talking to everybody that we can find that might have any information concerning that. >> investigators spent much of the day not only searching for frein but also interviewing his neighbors, his friends and family. investigators continued to come in and out of the frein home, also right outside here you can see there is a state patrol car
keeping guard, as well. the suspect lived here with his parents. the suspect's father telling investigators that two weapons are missing from the house. an ak-47. and a rifle. >> investigators found a book in frein's bedroom called "sniper training and employment." his father, an army veteran and police said he trained his son to shoot and that he does not miss. these pictures from frein's high school year book, showing his quote, i felt like we could have done a lot better in matches this year if it was not the matter of the anticipation of the rifle team being cancelled. frein's love of guns in the military continued into adulthood. he is well known for walking around the community of c
canadensis in full military gear. elaine didn't want to give her full name but says she has known the family for ten years. >> it has been surprising, i guess. >> why didn't it surprise you? >> i guess because my children are so outgoing. you know what i mean? when my kids meet you, hello, how are you? they shake your hand, they're very outgoing. this young man was not. and i do think -- but the mother is very sweet. i don't know the father. >> and when you say he was not outgoing, was he withdrawn? >> i think he was very quiet and he did not speak when he came in. >> now, a town on edge as police continue their manhunt. >> we are joined from the search zone, did this guy have any r run-ins with the law that caused a grudge? do we know? >> well, he did, in fact several years ago he was arrested for
stolen property that happened in new york and new york state. and investigators are theorizing that perhaps, anderson, just perhaps that may have been the beginning of him mistrusting law enforcement. so these are some of the things that they're piecing together as they put together their investigation. but make no mistake about this. the real focus of what is going on here, out here in the dark woods behind me is to try to find this man before they hurt somebody else. >> yes, digging deeper now, with the deputy director, tom fuente. if this guy is acting in some kind of military simulation role as police believe he is, it certainly seems he may be looking to engage in combat or with officers searching for him. >> yeah, that may be the possibility. anderson, this is just the beginning, he ambushed the two officers using the .308 sniper hunting rifle he used, he can
kill officers from far away, where the victim actually gets hit with the bullet before the sound even gets there. so he could have shot these two officers before they ever knew what hit them, wounding one, killing the other. so that is a very dangerous scenario. the ak-47, if he is doing cold war reenactments. the cankalishnakov, the weapon terrorists, if that is a semiautomatic or maybe he converted it back to being a fully automatic weapon. that is dangerous. we don't know the number of magazines he has, what capacity he has for the sustained gun battle. but just the fact he can kill from a long way off makes him very, very dangerous. >> and the state police in pennsylvania were speaking directly to this guy during the press conference. they made it very clear they're
coming for him. which sounds like it could be exactly what he wants. >> it could be, could be that he is lining this up to have the armageddon gun battle with law enforcement that he is looking for. and the fbi had a case in 2010 involving the militia who wanted to kill police. and then hundreds of officers attended the police funeral parade. that is going to happen tomorrow. so maybe he will come out of the woodwork shooting. we don't know. >> also, you don't know. in a case like this you have a heavily wooded area. police have to search everywhere. and then do they have to maintain troopers in that area so that the suspect doesn't potentially move back into an area they have already searched? >> yeah, they absolutely do. the big concern here is he would commit a home invasion to seek shelter and food and water. >> very much like dorner, and i thought about him immediately
when they found his abandoned vehicle. that is what he did. the authorities are speculating he could be a long way off, could be in mexico. and within all that time he was within a few hundred yards of where he was originally abandoned. he is dangerous and could be right there under their nose in pennsylvania. >> we'll continue to follow it. tom fuentes, appreciate you being on. and just ahead, new allegations on whether the clinic where joan rivers had her operation should be still opened. and the decision on who suspended the procedures. there was no question she was the one.
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kalashnik deeper into the clinic where joan rivers suffered complications after it was supposed to be a routine surgery on her throat. during the investigation, one source told susan candiotti that rivers stopped breathing and suffered cardiac arrest as her personal doctor who was not certified to work at that particular clinic, performed a biopsy without rivers' consent. that doctor also reportedly took a selfie while rivers was under an esthesia. >> reporter: the clinic's crediting agency has been calling to suspend procedures
and surgeries immediately. it is the nonprofit american association for accredidation of the facilities. yorkville and more than 2,000 other facilities pay the group for inspections to assure the public of quality care. in some states, accredidation is the same as being licensed. >> it shows you're a member of the club in good standing and you're recognized to be good at what you do. >> cnn has exclusively obtained letters written by the accredidation group to the clinic. and we've learned to the federal agency that governs medicare payments stating yorkville is in quote, immediate jeopardy putting it on immediate suspension adding it must stop procedures and surgery until the accredidation questions are settled. one letter was written to dr. cohen who cnn learned performed the surgery on rivers. according to the letters, the
agency jumped in on its own when it heard about rivers' cardiac arrest at the clinic. the spokesperson said they visited the clinic looking at possible uncertified, uncertified staff, doctors and unauthorized procedures at the clinic. the same allegations, cnn has been told, that state investigators have been looking into including rivers' personal doctor not certified by the clinic who was asked to begin an unauthorized vocal chords biopsy. if rivers did not consent at all? >> that is malpractice. you're not allowed to perform surgery on a patient without consent. >> that is because of one penalty of even temporarily losing accredidation could mean losing all medicare reimbursements according to an expert. yet, with activity wednesday inside and outside the facility on new york's upper east side there was no sign of an
emergency suspension. how can that be? medical malpractice attorney andrew smiley. >> it appears to be open. it appears they are seeing patients. what are we to make of that? >> what i would make of it is that they're not too worried about medicare. they're on the upper east side and probably have a lot of private paying wealthy patients who don't want to deal with hospitals. >> reporter: the fact is, new york licenses yorkville clinic, not the accredidation association. so far neither the clinic or any doctors have been accused of wrongdoing. >> and susan candiotti joins us, with a statement now from the clinic? >> we did. and it says that they continued to maintain all the federal, state accredidation and that they're fully authorized to take care of their patients as that statement reads and they will continue to do so. and they're committed to adhering to the standards of the accredidation agency. but we couldn't ask anymore questions to try to clarify did
something change between the time you received these letters two weeks ago and now? because we can't get anymore information. what is interesting, though, is that we checked back with the accredidation agency that sent the letters today. and they said we can't comment to you because of our ongoing investigation of the clinic. so we'll try to clear it up, of course and get back to you to explain what is going on. >> all right, susan, thank you, a lot going on in the next edition of "ac360," starting in just a few moments. and just ahead, another arrest of runningback jonathan dwyer, facing domestic violence charges and his team has deactivated him. [ female announcer ] you change your style.
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good evening, thank you for joining us this special edition of "ac360" expanded coverage. we start the hour with breaking news tonight. another nfl player arrested for alleged domestic abuse. jonathan dwyer is his name, a runningback for the arizona cardinals. that is him there, facing two counts of aggravated assault and other criminal charges. his alleged victims are a female and 18-month-old child. the incidents happened a while ago, and the spokesperson said they have deactivated him right now. rachel nichols joins me now, yet again, another allegation. >> and jonathan dwyer is the second string runningback for
the for the arizona cardinals, an important position for the cardinals, not playing this weekend. all of these incidents piling up have made an impact, they are the first team to right away deactivate a player and take him off the field, the charges are just horrible. >> what is he accused of doing? >> in two separate incidents he is accused of causing a fracture, we don't know the exact charges, fractures of a woman, and charges against a minor. this is at 8:00 a.m. one morning and 4:00 p.m. the next morning, unclear which incident happened at which time. there are a i mean, this is
something where people have asked for leadership here and they're not really getting it except in press releases from the nfl offices. we get press releases they're adding female staff to their ranks, and press releases how some of them are dealing with this. now, exempt lists, which is what hardy and peterson were placed on, that needs goodell's permission. so we know he was involved in the decision. it is really a rare distinction that the nfl uses as cover to put some of these people they don't know what else to do with. it basically means these player s get paid while they're being held out of any team activities. and roger goodell was obviously involved in that, he has to be. but that is all we know, we haven't heard from him and a lot of people would like to.
>> rachel, thank you so much. from there we go to iraq and syria and tampa, florida, tampa is headquarters of sitcom, where president obama spoke about isis. and the joint chief of staff says he may have to ask the president for troops. and more on criticism on the mission itself that it can't help but widen. today, president obama's former defense secretary said that president obama is painting himself into a corner. >> they're not going to be able to be successful against isis strictly from the air or strictly depending on the iraqi forces or the peshmerga or the sunni tribes acting on their own. so there will be boots on the ground if there is to be any hope of success in the strategy. and i think that by continuing to repeat that the president in effect traps himself. >> well, that is the back drop.
chief national security credibility jim sciutto joins us now. so jim, the white house is clearly trying to make it sound like the president and the joint chief chairman dempsey are on the same page, but are they? >> well, they seem to have sett settled on a distinction on combat and combat missions, they wouldn't be putting troops on the ground, and certainly in the numbers we have seen in iraq and afghanistan. but they could find themselves in combat. forward deployed as the white house press secretary said to wolf blitzer earlier today. as forward controllers or combat advisers. anderson, as you and i know and have reported on and been imbedded with, regardless of your role if you are facing danger that is something the administration has not been able to say with clarity. >> right, i actually talked to josh earnest in the last hour before we recorded what the program said before, i said
look, when the bullets start to fly and you have people deployed, attacking isis and the bullets are flying you can't say right now there is no way they're not going to get involved in combat. they're not going to fire back and get involved in actual combat. the president, we heard him say today there are some things only the u.s. can do. i was curious, how does he reconcile with what he said at west point back in may that basically the u.s. can't be the world's policeman. >> well, this is another distinction they say, they say the u.s. is not being the world's policeman here just to solve somebody else's problems. they say it has been proven isis is a direct threat so it is important to protect national security. the president spoke with a little bit of bravado, saying when the world finds itself is in trouble, who are you going to call? it's the u.s. with pride, saying there are times when only the u.s. can
serve that role. is that a contradiction to what he said at west point? in spirit it seems to be in some sense. but the u.s. is making the point they're not acting alone here, with 30-some odd countries offering help, money assistance, et cetera. but listen, anderson, at the end of the day there is one country leading this, and it is the u.s. >> will this fight over the mission negatively affect the actual mission itself? joining us, former white house press secretary jay carney and adviser to nearly every modern president, david gergen. jay, how much of a problem is it to have the president and his top adviser sending two different messages? >> well, it is never a good thing when you have that kind of apparent conflict between what the president says is his commander-in-chief on one hand and in testimony by the joint
chairman saying at least under some hypothetical situation that policy could change or he might recommend a change in policy. there is not a substantive conflict. obviously, the world is a messy place and you could envision a situation where we may have to commit to ground troops. either in iraq or elsewhere. but it is not the president's policy. and as commander-in-chief i think he has made very clear that he will not you know, send american ground forces into iraq, and issue a land invasion like we did back in 2003. >> david, it does seem to be one stumble after another when it comes to isis and the plan to deal with it. how much harder do you think the missteps have made the president's job here? >> i think it has made it a lot harder. and if jay carney were back there, he would be saying, hey, guys, let's get this straight.
there are confusing mentionssags it a war or not, are we going to send troops or not? there are questions about whether or not this is a workable policy. to me the big story is when bob gates, the former defense secretary has come out in the last 36 hours saying we can't win this without american combat troops having boots on the ground. that is pretty fundamental. and you know, he is saying basically you can't do this in iraq with the kurds and with the iraqi security forces. that is -- and that is open for debate. i think the president -- he has got a lot of congressional support. and i think he ultimately will have the country behind him although he does not yet. but it raises questions for the long haul about is this plan going to work or not.
>> jay -- go ahead, jay. >> i was going to say you have to piece apart what former secretary gates meant by that. what does win it mean? obviously the president's policy is to use airstrikes and to go after isis, both in iraq and syria and to use american advisers to assist iraqi security forces and kurdish forces. those are the ground troops. and they are fighting for their own country and for their own independence, if you will, from isis. it -- you know, we defeated -- the united states defeated isis before in its previous incarnation as al qaeda in iraq. you know, what the statements about the need for american troops on the ground suggests is that the only way to permanently eradicate that -- you know, extreme ideological force is for u.s. forces to stay permanently in iraq on the ground. that is certainly not president
obama's policy and i don't think it is a sustainable policy given american public opinion. and it is not sustainable policy either. at some point we have to do sustainable damage and iraqis have to be able to rely on iraqi security forces and kurdish forces. >> but you said we defeated them before with more than 100,000 troops on the ground and being an integral part of the so-called sunni awakening. and that all unravelled once u.s. troops were out of iraq. as you well know more than anybody, the iraqi military, they just don't, no matter how much money we've put in and how much training they have had since the u.s. has been there, i mean, because of what nouri maliki did and the generals he put in there, they're incapable of making advances on the battlefield at least in sunni areas. >> well, i think when you mentioned nouri maliki it
mentioned the real problem. it was not the draw down of american forces that in the end caused the problems with the extremist forces, it was the failure of nouri maliki's government. and it goes right to the question. is it america's responsibility to essentially occupy a country like iraq in perpetuity. >> and david, how come no one else seems to see this as so serious? >> well, that is a darn good question, anderson, i think they find we have 40 nations but how much are they really willing to step up and do something serious is a big, big question. there are a lot of serious voices being raised yes, we have to take on isis but are we doing it in the right way and putting in enough forces? and jay, the secretary said, he thinks we're dealing with a long-term problem that there will be something like isis
around for a long, long time just as there are remnants around such as al qaeda and dangerous remnants. you're getting the voices raised how will we prosecute this successfully. there are just a lot of big questions coming up anderson, that i believe raised fundamental issues. >> jay carney, david gergen, thank you both. up next, a crucial vote on capitol hill on whether to arm syrian rebels to help in the fight against isis. this is kathleen. setting up the perfect wedding day begins with arthritis pain and two pills. afternoon arrives and feeling good,
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to call it that frankly comes out of the stone age, they're cold-blooded killers going across the middle east making a mockery of a peaceful religion. and that is precisely why we are building a coalition to try to stop them from denying the women and the girls and the people of iraq the future that they yearn for. >> that effort got a boost today when the house passed the legislation on training the syrian rebels. dana bash has more on that. if not in his own party, did it play out as expected? >> it really did, there was no clear sense on how it was going to go down except this was a very much divided house. what is fascinating it is not divided in traditional terms which is party lines. very much the opposite. there were a lot of people against this and for this who
crossed the parties. and i think what was most interesting is that the majority of the no's anderson, came from the president's fellow democrats, where usually you get most of the no's from the republicans. >> and do you think it is likely to pass? >> it is likely to pass, but i know you like to keep them honest. exactly the way the president asked them he is making calls all week long to do exactly this. pass this, effectively an amendment to a must-pass bill to fund the government. that will be sent down the hall from where i am to the senate. and what the senate will do likely tomorrow is to pass the entire thing, so effectively to pass the bill to fund the government. and tucked inside of there will be this very important authority that the president is getting to arm and train the syrian rebels. so senators are not going to have to take the vote on that specifically. a lot of senators are not happy about it but they're doing it. >> we should point out the measure that passed today solely
applies to arming and training syrian rebels and has nothing to do with arming them in iraq. >> that is right, it is incredibly narrow, we expect the senate to possibly leave for the rest of the time before the election tomorrow. the house is probably going to do that on friday. and they're not going to take up a much broader discussion. a broader debate about the strategy that you have been talking about, you know, during the show when we have been talking about it for weeks. this is a major responsibility for congress. and everybody here agrees on that. but you know, they're going to go home and worry about their own jobs instead of staying here and debating something that their constituents elected them to do, which is their job right now, anderson. >> well, i guess that should not surprise us, thank you, dana bash. tomorrow, they will hear about the official capacity and the group that officials worry
about most about is the threat to americans here at home. that remains al qaeda, as pamela brown reports. >> reporter: from the battlefields of syria and iraq to the skies over the u.s. officials say the fight to protect the u.s. is happening on two major fronts between al qaeda and isis. >> these groups are in competition one another for attention and recruitment. >> reporter: officials say al qaeda and its affiliates are still intent on targeting u.s. flights. >> al qaeda core continues to attack the teams in the west and for now remains the localized leader of a global jihadist movement. >> reporter: the groups in yemen are creating concealed bombs that could be carried onto a plane, according to officials. >> they sought three times to take down an airplane bound for the u.s. >> reporter: u.s. officials say they're especially concerned about home-grown violent extremists with hundreds of
individuals identified as potential lone wolves, vulnerable to the aggressive social media campaign by isis urging attacks on america. >> it operates the most efficient propaganda team of any organization and turns out quality media and uses social media to obtain a widespread following. >> reporter: officials worry about the terror groups working under the radar on line and to plot attacks. >> someone can do it in their pajamas in their basement in a way that is very hard for us to spot between the time they emerge from their basement in time to kill innocent americans. >> reporter: two times this man was indicted and pled not guilty but authorities say he wanted to attack returning u.s. soldiers and recruit people to join isis. so far the fbi has arrested more than half a dozen americans allegedly wanting to travel to syria. and law enforcement says there are several cases on returning
fighters and officials acknowledge it is what they don't know that worries them the most. >> we estimate over 100 americans have traveled to syria to join with the extremist groups. once in syria it is very difficult to understand what happens there. >> pamela brown joins us now from washington. so why do intelligence officials still believe al qaeda is more of a threat than isis? >> well, anderson, right now officials say al qaeda poses the most immediate threat when it comes to attacking the u.s. on american soil. they are especially concerned about the branch in yemen whose main focus is attacking the u.s. we saw on the aviation piece, anderson, they're known to have the expertise and organization to build bombs that may not be detected by security. and you compare it to isis who is now mainly focused on building a group in syria and associated with media branding and of course their ruthlessness. but beyond that, anderson, they
say it doesn't pose the same kind of media threat as al qaeda does. >> all right, thank you very much for that report. just ahead, a report stirring a lot of information. darren wilson testified before the grand jury that will decide on whether or not there is an indictment. what it could mean for the case ahead. wich. the tender, slow-roasted turkey, the zesty cranberry mostarda, the freshly baked flatbread paired perfectly with our autumn squash soup. a delicious meal made just for you only at panera bread.
is investigating the shooting death of michael brown. the report shows that darrin wilson who testified for four hours in front of the grand jury, we don't know what he said or what he was asked. the investigation is taking place out of the public's eye. the fact he was there at all is significant. joining me now, legal analyst, sunny hostin. does it surprise you, sunny, that he testified. does it happen a lot? >> it is very rare and very unusual. i was very surprised not only to hear he testified but he testified for approximately four hours. i have to tell you, anderson, the only way a defense attorney would allow a prospective defendant to testify in front of a grand jury is if that attorney believes the defendant, in this case, officer wilson, can testify his way out of an indictment. and so obviously they believe that he is in a welcoming environment. that this prosecution is sort of
a cop-friendly organization. >> and they feel he -- >> you know, it is just too -- unusual. even if you feel that you have truth on your side that is something that you save for trial. you generally do not testify in a grand jury hearing. >> do you agree obviously that this was voluntarily? >> absolutely, this is an extremely unusual development. and you know, just remember the reason why most -- or prospective defendants choose not to testify in a grand jury. they believe look, this is completely under the control of the prosecutor, the defense attorney is not present. there is no judge there. you can ask anybody anything you want. and if you get indicted and most targets of grand jury investigations wind up getting indicted. you have now previewed your entire defense for the prosecution. and if you testify at your trial you can be impeached with any inconsistencies of your sworn grand jury testimony. >> so jeff, do you read into what sunny does, that this is then a friendly environment for
him? >> you know, no, not necessarily. i can't picture it. i mean, i think the only reason he must -- his attorney and he must have decided for him to testify is he believes he can talk his way out of an indictment. now, why he thinks that whether it is because this grand jury is especially sympathetic or that the testimony is so compelling that the grand jury will just refuse to issue an indictment. it has to be a combination of some of those, but i just don't think the information is public enough on why he made this extraordinary decision. >> if the indictment is public, will there be recordings -- >> the prosecutor says if there is no indictment, a no-bill, he will be prepared to realilease witnesses and the transcript and
also the tape recordings of the proceeding. that is highly unusual. it would have a chilling effect on future grand jury witnesses. the grand jury, what everyone has to realize is under the law it is a secret proceeding. and that is because you want witnesses to feel comfortable enough to come in front of the government and explain what they saw. >> but went that the criticism, though, of the whole grand jury process to begin with? a lot of people said oh, look, they're doing this behind closed doors. by releasing this, isn't it an effort to try to appease them? >> the prosecutor said he is going to put everything in front of the grand jury, every scrap of paper and physical evidence. that is very unusual, prosecutors usually go into that grand jury with one witness, the investigating officer and you put on your case. it is bizarre the prosecutor would do this. my understanding there are two prosecutors handling it in front of the grand jury, one has 18
years experience, a black woman, a white male has 27 years' experience, those prosecutors don't have that experience, i bet my bottom dollar. >> and couldn't they potentially set them up about inconsistencies in the case if this went to trial, right? >> absolutely, and that is the main reason why defense attorneys keep their clients out of the grand jury. just let me elaborate a little on one thing sunny said about this publicly. it is true that in federal court, where we practice, a grand jury procedure is always secret. missouri is unusual in that there is a potential for release. but the prosecutor has said he is going to ask a judge to order the release of this, if there is no indictment. it is not clear what the judge would do, because this is so unusual. but -- it would certainly give us all an explanation or at least facts on which to base --
to learn why the grand jury did this. >> just one quick thing, anderson, and jeff. the bottom line is we also know the feds are investigating this. so officer wilson gets in front of the grand jury, well, now the federal government can use that testimony. >> sunny, thank you, jeff toobin, as well. and for the first time a mom speaking out against child abuse, saying when you whip those you love it is not about abuse. that is next. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. [laughs] when we're having this much fun, why quit? and bounty has no quit in it either.
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he was only disciplining his son in the same way he was disciplined growing up. peterson was charged with felony child abuse for allegedly injuring his son. they report peterson's mom said in her days most parents disciplined their kids moe -- more than they meant to, but it equipped them for the world. she said when you whip them, it is about love. how you feel about that may have depended on where you were raised. >> reporter: it is a schoolfivs of kids today if you just yelled at them, put things away, made on them? >> not at all. not at >> grandmother and mother believe you can't spare the rod. the single mother, katrina, also believes barkley when he said? >> i am from the south, whipping is going -very >> one study shows it is more common for african-american parents to spank children than other the chain o command. >> when katrina was a child she was punished plenty, too, with a small tree branch, also known as a switch sm a switch. >> so you would go outside and take a switch? >> take the switch. >> and come in the house and what? >> tear them legs up. >> what? >> tear them legs up. >> she said tear them legs up. >> i think that is pretty clear. >> it is a southern -- >> i think that is pretty clear. so when you got your legs teared up. did it hurt? >> of course. >> i got more whippings when i was younger. but it wasn't -- it was not that bad. but -- just -- now, i don't even -- i rarely do anything to get whippings, so -- >> so you feel good about that? >> yeah. >> in this house, the children are being taught it is part of their culture that if you are
bad you might get spanked. >> i love them more than myself, when i think about how much i love them i start to cry. >> and back with us, cnn analyst, and sunny hostin, and political commentator of "the new york times" and writer mikala angela davis. mikala, clearly she loves her kids and is doing what she feels is the best for them. and she also says she doesn't know anybody in the african american community who does not do this. do you believe that corporal punishment is viewed differently in black culture in america as it is in white culture? >> yeah, and actually listening to some of it was heartbreaking, where we know that most of america believes in spanking, whipping is different, in which we feel like tearing up somebody's leg with a weapon is normal is disturbing. and the way in which it is
casually spoken about, particularly the message from peterson's mother, that whipping equals love is disturbing. you know, and to me that sounds -- you know, that doesn't make it normal. i do think there is cultural historical things that are different with african-americans in the way we view violence from other parents and from people we love. the normalcy in the south, i don't think there is any mistake that that is where the slave trade was most active, right? so in my generation, it is kind of taboo for those of us -- none of my friends beat their children. so i think it is also generational and cultural, where you grew up, how you grew up, it is education. >> right, and sunny you were saying you were never -- >> i don't spank either, my
father was from georgia, he broke the cycle. when you know better you do better. with his research and background and his education he realized that was not the thing to do. and i really hope that this incident with adrian peterson changes some of the cultural notions of spanking in the african-american community. because we know now that the american academy of pediatrician says that spanking is not effective. and we also know that some of the effects of corporal punishment are lower iq, depression, spousal abuse, crime, rise in crime. and we now know that adults who were spanked as children tend to exhibit more violent behavior. >> is this a cultural -- >> i mean, my dad grew up in mississippi. he was spanked. he spanked me once, and never did it again it was such a horrible experience and i didn't particularly like it either. do you think there is a cultural
component, or does it matter? >> i think there is some cultural components, but i think it is dangerous to make it seem as if it is only african americans. i was looking at one non-partisan site in d.c. one thing they pointed out was that 94% of all parents of 3 and 4-year-olds said they had spanked their child at least once in the last year. this is a broad cultural phenomenon. it is an american issue. it is an age-old issue. a generational -- >> what is interesting to me about that mom. again, she seems like a lovely lady. if you were doing this every day to your 4-year-old child doesn't seem like it's working. if the threat of it has diminishing returns and you're doing it every single day, is it the best way? >> it is not, it is ineffective. one thing i want to say is it is assault. a crime, here in the united states you can hit a child, strike a child and not be
convicted of a crime. >> but it's not a crime. >> but it's an assault. it should be a crime. >> the law does not view it that way. >> mikala? >> there is a blurred line i think between discipline and abuse. and i think that is what this case is bringing to light is to really interrogate what spanking and what is whipping to the point of having lacerations and bruises. >> that is important -- the pictures, you see the pictures of adrian peterson's child, the 4-year-old child, i mean, charles when you see that, to you is that clearly abuse? >> right, this is not so blurry. >> and i wonder if the mom in the piece seeing the pictures, her mom talked about tearing legs up, i wonder if seeing those pictures if she thinks that is going too far. >> i don't know the answer to that. part of the question, however, there is a degree to everything, right? so if you swat a kid's hand away from a hot stove. that is one level of discipline.
taking a child, removing the pants, striking so hard that you draw blood and leave scars that last -- for days. >> stuffing leaves into the mouth -- this is not -- this doesn't seem very blurry to me. and you know, yes, i grew up -- he grew up in east texas. i grew up in north central western louisiana. it is very close, we kind of think of it as east texas in some ways. so i saw people -- in our family, there was spanking, as well. i never once saw anyone with a lesion, any blood, any bruising that lasted. anything. >> but you know -- and i think we can all agree this is clear child abuse. but what is striking is adrian peterson in his statement says i am not a child abuser. and so i think the question of what turns discipline into abuse should be sort of this zero tolerance policy.
it should be no spanking at all because people clearly don't know how to draw the line, the distinction. >> and a discussion we'll no doubt have again, a lot of people disagree say there is a difference between spanking and whipping your child. >> it is great to have you on, charles blow, just ahead, the eye of the -- eve of the historic vote in scotland as voters will decide on when the break away from the united kingdom. the latest on what the polls show and the implications next.
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tomorrow voters in scotland will decide on an historic referendum whether they should split from the united kingdom. more on the polls in a moment. if scotland does vote to break away from the uk there is going to be political implications but also other practical matters to deal with. here is john berman. >> reporter: if we learned one thing from "braveheart." it's -- >> that they may take our lives but they will never take our freed freedom. this may be a classic struggle over who wears a kilt in this family.
if there is a breakup it could be the messiest divorce ever. what do you do with the flag, blue part is saint andrew's cross, scotland's. what do you do with the pound? they keep that. oil is in scotland. you know who wants that. the bombs. >> they seemed important in the queen, you can bet the uk wants the arsenal in scotland. what do you do with wales? well that stays in the uk, but, maybe scotland can visit wednesday nights and every other weekend. as confusing as the arguments over the stuff might be, the logic behind the arguments might be even more so. >> now both sides of the argument. the freedom loving highland tradition. and those who enjoy crawling like worms beneath british boots. >> reporter: the freedom loving airs of the highland tradition as ground keeper calls them, while they absolutely positively
want their independence, they absolutely positively want to keep the queen. because nothing, i mean, nothing says freedom like a monarchy. ♪ and nothing says independence like the united states of america. which is why hillary clinton told the bbc. >> i would hate to have you lose scotland. >> what does the united states really know about splitting from the uk? that never works. in closing, no matter what happens to the flag, pound, nuclears or oil, no matter what happens to the actual vote, scotland will always be part of great britain. it will never be part of england, the irish part of neither. northern ireland will be part of the united kingdom which may no longer be as united but elizabeth will be queen of all of it. keep calm and carry on. john berman, cnn, new york. >> well, carry on indeed.
i spoke to max faufoster. >> what do the polls look like right now? >> well the polls are, neck and neck. it is extraordinary if you think about it anderson. the end of a two-year campaign. for most of the time, the no campaign, anti-independence, was well ahead by something like 20 points. in the last, three, four weeks it has wcome done to this. it shows the no campaign. 51%. yes campaign, 49%. really nothing in it. what is really interesting here, that despite that two years, something like 10% of the voters are still undecided. after all that time. after hearing all the arguments. going into the polling booths without knowing which way they're going to go. >> to say things have been tense, an understatement. david cameron joked, assassination would be a welcome release from all the stress? >> yeah, he is under a huge
amount of pressure. he didn't see this coming the way the polls came closely together. he didn't really think that this, yes vote was possibility. all politicians have ben scrambling to come up with an alternative. they have. the alternative is bringing a lot of power from london to edinborough. devolving creating a federal system. that is historic. try to come up with an alternative. the reality if he wakes up friday morning. a yes vote. scotland going independent. his job looks vulnerable. the last prime minister of the uk. scotland. >> voting begins in the morning. do we know what time the, results are expected? >> yeah, the first results, coming through about 8:00 p.m. eastern time. final results will come about 2:00 in the morning. we think. you have to wait until final
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bats are too busy getting the news. here is one doing a fly by. behind the anchor, past the weatherman. and dive bombed journalists. that settles it. bats love the news. in fact only one things love more than current events. that is acoustic guitar music. >> it's a bat! >> yeah. i mean almost look you can't jam out with your friend at a campsite in oregon, any more without a bat coming to bite you in the neck. what does a bat bite feel like? >> it was like a cold dog nose. it was cold, bat nose or mouth or whatever. it didn't sting. it wasn't. wasn't injected with poisonsch a cold bite. >> just a cold bat nose or mouth or whatever. doesn't sound really scary. except to those of you with bat
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