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p.m. eastern. check out cnn money every day for the money news that matters to you. you can also find us on twitter, facebook, instagram. have a great weekend. you're in the "cnn newsroom." thanks for joining me. glad to have you spending part of your weekend with us. right now the frantic manhunt for the suspected cop killer in pennsylvania appears to be expanding. eric frein has a grudge against cops possibly holed up somewhere in the pocono mountains. according to his fbi most-wanted poster, frein claims he fought with serbians in africa and has studied russia and serbian languages. police are telling people to stay inside, stay away from the windows in the area. people there are essentially locked inside their homes. last night police apparently thought they had frein cornered. shots were exchanged near a home in the poconos, but still no
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arrest. so no conclusion to all this. frein allegedly ambushed and gunned down police officer byron dixon. another officer was seriously injured. joining me on the phone are a alexandra field covering the story near booming field, pennsylvania. what are you hearing about what's going on there with the manhunt? >> reporter: ana, we've seen a real surge in police activity over just about the last hour or so. we're seeing and hearing a number of helicopters overhead. seeing cruisers passing us by. a lot of radio activity between police officers who have been out here searching for the last week. we now have one local government official who is confirming that those officers have gotten into a line formation to conduct their search in a very specific and targeted area. we're not going to elaborate on any details of the area that they are looking right now, and that is to protect the officers who are involved with this investigation, with the hunt for a suspect who has eluded them for a week now. it's been a very tense week in this area. ana, as you reported, people
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were asked to shelter in place last night. we know that shots were fired. police closed in on an area where they believe eric matthew frein might be. we know there has not been an arrest at this point, but again, another surge in activity right now. the search effort has certainly ramped up. there are now 300 to 400 law enforcement officers participating. everyone from the u.s. marshals office to the fbi, state police, atf, local police. they are all trying to bring this week-long manhunt to a resolution. obviously, the goal here, to protect all of the officers who are involved in and to finally find this suspect who is very well versed in this area. he knows the woods around here. he knows the paths around here. he has been able to elude capture for the last week. he is a known survivalist with a grudge against law enforcement, we're told, ana. >> alexandra, as you mentioned, there have been a couple of surges of activity last night and again this afternoon, but do police actually think they know where he is?
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are they going as far as saying they believe they need to know exactly where to get to him? >> reporter: you know, on thursday, that was the first time that we heard from police confirming that they believed that he was still in the area. there had been an apparent or a reported sighting on thursday night. on friday night we saw the activity ramp up for the first time with police indicating that they believed they knew the area that frein was in, and that's where you saw that activity last night and heard reports of shots being fired. we're now seeing them pursue, you know, what is apparently another lead. we don't know what's prompt them to close in on the area, but they have moved toward now, we just know there has certainly been a swing in activity in the specific location, a wooded area not far from where we are at this point. all precautions are being taken. that's why we're not going into details about their location. police officers there taking every precaution possible, and they're trying to expeditiously apprehend the suspect. he's believed to be armed. he is believed to be dangerous. we have said repeatedly that this is someone who is described as a survivalist.
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we know that he has a lot of training with weaponry. he was in a rifle club in high school. he's part of a military simulation unit. so they have every reason to believe that this person is dangerous. he has clearly demonstrated that he's a deadly force against an officer. they are very much hoping they are going to finally close in on him. it's something they've been working to do for a week now, ana. >> everybody's hoping that will be the outcome. alexandra field reporting. we know you'll stay on top of it. thanks. now, the secret service is investigating how a man managed to jump a fence and actually get inside the white house. it happened last night as the first family was not inside. the president and his daughters had had just left, in fact, a few minutes earlier. the secret service now says 42-year-old omar gonzales ignored orders to stop. he ran to the white house, got inside before being caught. he was not armed. he's now charged with unlawful entry. a spokesman says gonzales was someone who was known to the secret service, but he had not been arrested previously. he's been taken to a hospital for a medical evaluation.
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today the battle against isis rages on. this time in northern syria near the border with turkey. hundreds of kurdish fighters from turkey have now arrived in syria to help fend off the onslaught from terrorists who have taken over now about 60 urd cannish villages in just the past few days. meanwhile, turkey says it has opened its borders. it is now allowing about 45,000 people who are fleeing the violence into that country. those refugees will be housed in tent camps inside turkey. also developing, in just the past 24 hours, overnight isis released 49 hostages including diplomats who have been in captivity since being abducted at the turkish consulate in mosul. that happened in june as isis took over iraq's second largest city including the turkish consulate there. it's not clear yet what the conditions of the hostage release were, but the turkish government says it was in direct contact with isis for some time.
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joining us is patrick skinner, former cia case officer, lieutenant colonel rick francona here in new york and jamie dutmer, daily beast contributor. patrick, i want to start with these turkish hostages just freed overnight. what do you make of that? >> well, that's a big deal. turkey had been very reluctant to make any overt moves against isis. it's unclear how dramatic a change their stance against isis will be now that their citizens are released. it's unclear how they were released, but it's a good day for turkey, and it's a big deal for the coalition if turkey moves more aggressively against isis. >> i know colonel francona, you have a different opinion about that. >> well, i wonder what the price was for the freedom of these turkish hostages because i know the turkish intelligence service was involved. so i'm hoping that the price was
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not the continued refusal of turkey to allow the americans and nato or whoever else is going to be involved in the coalition to use those turkish air bases. those turkish air bases would be absolutely critical to our efforts if we go into syria. so i hope that's not the case, and i hope patrick is right. i hope that we're going to see more cooperation with turkey now that these hostages are not on the table. >> do you think payment would have been involved? >> it could be. there are only a few few nations that don't actually pay, us and the british among them. it could have happened. and the turkish intelligence service would have been involved in that as well. we really don't know what happened. >> jamie, i want to bring you in. we're hearing about the u.s. international military plan at this point, air strikes, the plan to arm and train rebels, but we really haven't heard much about cutting off funding for isis. we know it's a well-funded group, one of the reasons it's become so powerful. how does the u.s. go about doing that? >> well, one of the problems is going to be turkey. i disagree with the colonel in
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that i don't think there was money involved. what i suspect was an agreement about isis not bombing or being violent inside turkey. what we've seen over the months, i've seen it with my own eyes, is the kurdish part of the border is locked up, but the other side, the more western side, jihadists are operating reasonably freely. they've got logistical movement. in terms of cutting off the funding, i find it a little bizarre, really. we know from iraqi intelligence and documents that they got from an isis raid that only about 2% to 5% of isis funding is now coming from overseas from sympathizers in the gulf. this is a self-funding terror army now. it is on -- it's involved in oil smuggling. it received a lot of money when it raided central banks, reserve banks in iraq. it's involved in extortion. i'm not too sure how we cut that. what we have to cut is their ability to move oil out and turkey will be crucial.
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>> jamie -- or excuse me, patrick, i want to get back to you because you were earlier in the conversation. what do you think -- if this does indeed give turkey an opportunity now to say, okay, we can move forward as a united front with the u.s. and the rest of the international coalition, where is turkey going to play a role in that being so close in proximity there to syria? >> well, turkey has, outside of syria and iraq, turkey probably has the largest role to play. they've been instrumental in helping the rebels overthrow assad. they have a vested interest in making sure assad's gone. they've tried to play a dangerous game of moderating extremist groups. it hasn't worked. the big thing they can do is to close their western border with their southwestern border and then probably cut down on the oil flow. isis makes a lot of money from oil sales. and a lot of that goes through kurdish cutouts to turkey. and so they could probably, outside of -- as the colonel
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said, use the air bases which would be instrumental for nato to bomb inside syria without having to go over syrian airspace. they could cut down on logistics and oil. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. we're going to come back and continue the conversation about isis in just a moment. but we also want to talk about journalist steven sotloff who was one of two u.s. citizens brutally beheaded by isis in recent weeks. coming up, we will introduce you to one of the last men who saw him alive. also, later, nfl commissioner roger goodell says he is taking action against domestic violence, but is that enough? why some are still calling for his resignation. this is kathleen. setting up the perfect wedding day begins with arthritis pain and two pills. afternoon arrives and feeling good, but her knee pain returns... that's two more pills. the evening's event brings laughter, joy, and more pain... when jamie says... what's that like six pills today? yeah... i can take 2 aleve for all day relief. really, and... and that's it. this is kathleen...
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him about what happened. but our karl penhaul did. he was a producer or so-called fixer for sotloff. they were kidnapped just inside syria by gunmen in august of 2013. sotloff never made it out alive. >> they can hit him with the gun and say close your face. in arabic. i explained to him, steve, close your eyes or they will hit you. uh-huh. they hit me and say to me, shut up. don't talk english. do you know who is us? i told him, i think you are isis. islamic state. he said, yes, you are in islamic state of iraq. should we kill you because you are a spy, you work with america, with cia and fbi. we will leave you now because you have these papers.
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you can go now. but if you -- if we hear you're working with journalists again, we will kill you for sure. >> we reached out to the fbi, and while they wouldn't comment on his claims, they did give us a statement that reads in part, "the fbi is actively investigating the savage murder of steven sotloff. we are committed to bringing the murderers to justice." just an incredible story. it raises some serious questions about the u.s. response to these kinds of terrorist kidnappings. i want to bring back jamie dettmer and patrick skinner, the director of special promjects ad former cia case officer. patrick, to you first. this man was with sotloff when he was kidnapped by isis, but he says he was never interviewed by any u.s. official. does this surprise you? >> actually, yes. this is the first i've heard of this, and it does surprise me. i'm sure that they have their
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reasons. the fbi is very committed to finding these murderers. they took it very seriously. so i don't understand why they wouldn't have. it would have seemed to have been the obvious choice. they probably will now. >> do you think the fbi just didn't know about him? >> it's possible. i mean, it depends on what he did right afterwards. i mean, they're going to have to ask him, you know, once they let him go, which seems very strange to let him go after accusing him of being a spy and letting him go immediately, what did he do? did he go immediately inform people? was there a chance for them to debrief right away? so the time line is unclear. and i'm sure that the fbi is working on it. >> jamie, the mother of james foley, the other american hostage who was killed, she talked with our anderson cooper. she says she was embarrassed about how u.s. officials handled her son's kidnapping. take a listen. >> jim believed till the end that his country would come to their aid.
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we were, you know, asked to not go to the media, to just trust that it would be taken care of. we were told we could not raise ransom, that it was illegal. we might be prosecuted. we were just told to trust. that he would be freed somehow miraculously, and he wasn't, was he? you know. >> they are now believed to be some 20 western hostages still being held in syria. do you think that now we're becoming engaged there, that maybe there's going to be a change in strategy to try to bring these hostages home? >> well, i'm not too sure what they can do now. the hostages are spread out. we do know they tried to make a raid to get the hostages in the summer. but what i found very disturbing by karl penhaul's report which i thought was very significant is that he should have been talked to in the days and weeks immediately after steve was
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kidnapped. what strikes a lot of us in the press corps is that the media blackouts have really served to keep the pressure off the governments, the british and american governments, from doing more. those first few days and first few weeks after kidnapped are highly important. and it may well be the fbi is determined to get the murderers now, but some of us feel that there has not been enough effort made at the beginning to try to find out what has happened to journalists. i went to dinner last week with a senior senate staffer. i won't name her. but i was startled at her attitude which i think in many ways reflects the washington's interview. so i'm very disturbed by karl's report. >> jamie, i know you have spent time in syria as a journalist. would you go back? >> yes, but at the moment, it's very difficult. i was going to go back in the summer in july but was sidetracked by ukraine. you know, the problem has been for a lot of us that it's been very difficult to really
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so nfl commissioner roger goodell is saying he made mistakes in his handling of the ray rice abuse case. but he says he is determined to make things right. goodell met with reporters yesterday, his first public statements in more than a week. cnn's nick valencia joins me from atlanta. goodell promised reforms, but he didn't really offer a lot of specifics, did he? >> reporter: no, not at all, ana. good afternoon. we've entered week three of the season, and this domestic violence issue continues to be a thorn in the side of the league that seemingly will not go away. some say p won't go away until roger goodell either steps down or is removed. roger goodell speaking at a
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manhattan news conference amid calls for his resignation. >> i got it wrong on a number of levels from the process that i led to the decision that i reached. but now i will get it right and do whatever is necessary to accomplish that. >> reporter: the embattled nfl commissioner apologizing for what he said was a mishandling of the ray rice domestic violence scandal. here's a question from cnn's rachel nichols. >> reporter: roger, you've had pretty extreme unilateral power in deciding discipline. but as you've said a few times, you've gotten it wrong in a few cases, and that tends to happen when there's no checks and balances. how willing are you to give up some of that power, and do you think that would be the right thing for you to do? >> well, rachel, as i said in my statement, everything is on the table. we're going to make sure that we look at every aspect of the process of how we gather information to make a decision, how we make that decision, and
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then the appeals process. >> reporter: even as pledged to move ahead, questions still loom in the rice case about who knew what when after tmz released the now infamous video. >> we asked for it on several occasions according to our security department. we asked for it on several occasions over the spring all the way through june from february through june. so i'm confident that our people did that. >> reporter: two security camera videos put the rice case squarely in the public eye, showing the former baltimore ravens star running back knocking out his then-fiancee with a punch last february. a source within the ravens organization tells cnn that hours after the incident at the atlantic city hotel and casino, the head of the baltimore ravens security, darren sanders, spoke with atlantic city police who described in detail the elevator video to sanders. espn is reporting that sanders then shared the information with
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team executives and that those executives started extensive public and private campaigns for leniency for rice according to espn. the ravens issued a statement late friday saying "the "outside the lines" article contains numerous errors, inaccuracies, false assumptions and, perhaps, misunderstandings." the ravens will address all of these next week in baltimore after our trip to cleveland for sunday's game against the browns." a source within the ravens organization tells cnn the ravens never saw the video until tmz first released it. now, both current and past players have taken to social media to criticize the nfl commissioner. they say he's leveled severe penalties in the past against teams like the new orleans saints. he suspended their coach for the entire 2012 season after bountygate. they're asking why not the same accountability for himself? ana? >> all right, nick valencia reporting, thanks. goodell says the nfl is taking
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action against domestic violence, and he says the league can help make changes in society beyond the behavior of its football players. let's talk about the nfl and domestic violence more with two of our regulars, cnn commentators and avid sports fans mark lamont hill and ben ferguson. hey, guys. marc, let's start with you. roger goodell, he pledged to get it right when it comes to domestic violence, and he had a few ideas, maybe implementing a conduct committee, more education for players and staff when it comes to domestic violence, providing more resources that he pledged to domestic violence and sexual assault groups, but he didn't really lay out a concrete and complete plan to really reform the league. did he? >> no, ana, he didn't lay it out for very good reason. he doesn't have one. he's just saying whatever he has to do to do to save face to save the league and to save his job. and that's why this is so frustrating. when i heard he had a 3:00 p.m. news conference, i thought he was either going to step down or have some mind-blowing
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comprehensive plan. neither thing happened. and it's very disappointing, but it speaks to what others have said which is that the nfl just isn't committed at a fundamental level to dealing with these issues. >> ben, did goodell help himself with the league yesterday? >> no. honestly, this is one of the worst press conferences i've ever seen to deal with a scandal. it was about as bad as what is the meaning of is is. he was sitting there going we're going to come out and have a serious press conference and we're going to give you nothing new at all. it was a dog-and-pony show. there was nothing that was actually reformed. if you're a player in the nfl and you hit people and you abuse people, this was the greatest press conference you've ever seen because roger goodell ultimately -- and i think this is something that people need to realize -- he's nothing but a puppet. he has 30 owners, and ultimately the owners are the people i think we need to start focusing on. they've had a boys club mentality. you let my bad players get in trouble and keep playing, and then when your bad player gets
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in trouble, i'll look the other way and you can keep him as well. that's what this boils down to. the owners going to fix it. they could fix it. romger goodell works for them. no one else can fire them, and the owners seem to have a consensus. your bad player play and mine play. >> what should he have said? >> well, multiple things. one, he should start suspending players in the past who have been in trouble and had a very strict new code of conduct. that is not there. he should have also said that i've lost faith, and i'm going to, you know, whatever it may be, step down or bring in new leadership? no one's been fired over this. no one's lost their job. even the security team, they're obviously terrible at the nfl or they helped cover this up because they didn't get the video or they could have gotten or someone lied and no one's lost their job. >> go ahead, marc. >> i was going to say, the nfl has a culture of cover-ups from performance enhancements to
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violence. >> amen. >> over the last few decades. i don't just mean now. i mean over decades. this is nothing new. while i think roger stepping down would have been a good and positive move, the truth is, it doesn't matter. as ben pointed out, roger goodell is the figurehead of 30 owners. and if roger goodell -- >> puppet. >> -- steps, another one who they appoint is going to pop up and do the exact same thing. it's a cultural problem. he should step down because it's the right thing to do. we need a deeper way of addressing this fundamental issue in the nfl. that's what's so frustrating to me. the other thing is i was so glad that a cnn reporter had the courage to say wait a minute, roger, you've been making unilateral decisions, and you keep stinking at making unilateral decisions. he said nothing's off the table, but he should have led with that. he should have said i am no longer cable of doing this unilaterally. that's what all of these leagues should do. >> i know you want to get back in there, ben. we've got to take a quick break so sit tight for just a moment. and on that note, sit tight
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deniability, right? at best he said, look. there's a tape and i don't want to look at it so i can say i never saw it. that's best-case scenario. there are too many leaks, too many rumors, too much buzz and quite frankly, the nfl is too powerful to not have access to a tape if it wanted access to a tape. there is a kid right now in eighth grade who is a running back for his local middle school who they have tapes on and information on. >> they've got hours of tapes on. >> exactly. they've got hours of tapes on the kid. you're telling me they can't get a tape from a police department to which they're actually entitled? i don't buy it and it insults my intelligence. >> i disagree with you. and here's why. i think roger goodell probably got the tape. i think it's probably buried in bits and pieces and under the end zones of multiple teams in the nfl. i mean, i promise you he didn't see that tape, but having the tape, it was probably destroyed in an nfl manner and they put it in the end zone and they said no
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one will ever find it again because at least we know that building is secure. >> clearly, guys. >> i'm with you, ben. >> yet america's love for pro football doesn't seem threatened by these recent controversies. in fact, almost 90% of people in a new nbc/marist university poll, they say they haven't cut back on how much they watch the nfl. only 11% said they're less likely to watch. i mean, what do you do to pressure to change? >> well, it's the team owners. look at ben roethlisberger as a great example. when roethlisberger got in trouble multiple times and he was able to brush it under the rug, people kept showing up to those games and watching him play. and i think that's what you see with the owners here and with roger goodell. at the end of the day, most people really just care about winning. and they believe, i think, that most of their fans only care about winning. and that's why ray rice, ben roethlisberger or adrian peterson still get a chance to
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play even if they screw up because they really just think the fans don't care, and that study shows you the fans still are going to watch the game. >> so marc, what is going to make a difference? i mean, will it be the advertisers who are going to have to pull their support? is that what it's going to take? >> ultimately, it comes down to the people. it always does, right? i mean, the advertisers don't have feelings. they have interests. the nfl clearly has demonstrated it doesn't have any feelings. it only has interests. so what we have to do is make our feelings converge with their interests. in other words, if i go to the local advertiser or the national advertiser and say this is disgusting, this is deplorable, they pull advertising. the nfl doesn't want to lose money so they pull players. this is the only way this is going to go. it will never happen simply because the nfl does what's right or because advertisers do what's right. there's hope but it comes from us, it comes from our hands. >> i think some of the advertisers are a little bit cowardly here. i mean, it was a no-brainer pr wise to come out and condemn the nfl, but how many of them on a
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national level pulled their ads? and the answer is zero on the national level. and it's because they knew they were in a perfect situation. condemn them, but our ads are going to run on sunday, which is about as lame as roger goodell giving a two-game suspension to ray rice. >> gentlemen, last question, and i need just one-word answers. do you think roger goodell is going to survive this, and should he? ben? >> yes, i think he will because the owners want the bad players to play so they can win. and that's his only boss is the owners. >> and what about you, marc? >> i'm going to teach bill what one word means. yes, he'll survive. no, he shouldn't. >> thanks, guys. i appreciate it. good to talk with you both. congress has given president obama the green light by all means in the fight against isis. but not every member is on board. in fact, there was bipartisan opposition to the plan to arm syrian rebels. has the president made a strong enough case for arming those rebels?
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president obama has signed that legislation into law authorizing the u.s. military to begin training the more moderate
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syrian rebels who are taking on isis fighters in syria. now, the bill passed the senate thursday after it passed the house wednesday, but it was an interesting vote. it seemed to scramble all the usual washington fault lines with president's allies and opponents and would-be presidential candidates lining up in sometimes spraurprising w. for example, republican senate leader frequent obama critic mitch mcconnell voted for it. then again, trusted obama ally elizabeth warren voted against it. in the house, tammy duckworth opposed it, an iraq war veteran who sits on the armed services committee. she told our kate bolduan she's not convinced the syrian rebels are worthy of u.s. support. >> i can't trust the syrian rebels. we don't know who they are. i'm not comfort with the vetting process, and i don't know how long this commitment is. the vote on wednesday was really just for a 12-week bill that would allow us to fund $500
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million for 12 weeks, and i just feel like this commitment is far longer term and deserved more of a debate than this initial short-term debate that we had. >> cnn commentators marc lamont hill and ben ferguson are back. ben, is congresswoman duckworth correct, should we be worried that these moderate syrian rebels might not be so moderate and maybe the u.s. is being too short-sighted? >> absolutely, yes. i mean, six, seven years ago i would have thought this was probably just an idea. but i think we have to learn from our mistakes. and the definition of moderate in syria right now is, well, a very awkward word to use at all. you could say that al qaeda is moderate compared to isis, but that doesn't mean we support al qaeda. and these rebels in april pledged allegiance to al qaeda. they did it openly, and they did recruiting around it, and they asked for al qaeda fighters to come and join them in april. and some of them did. so i don't think this is a good idea, and i think the commitment is far too short term. and i think it was a pr move by
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many that voted in favor of it. and ultimately, we don't know who they are, and i don't think we can trust them with our weapons or our support or training that they're not going to use against us in a couple years. >> marc, has the president made a strong enough case for arming the syrian rebels? >> i think he's made a strong case for arming syrian rebels in general. i do agree that the question of who and what is moderate is very different. i disagree with ben that al qaeda would be marked as moderate even in relation to isis. i think they're extremist by any measure. >> i agree, but some people have said they're moderate. >> but more to the point -- let me finish -- but more to the point, though, i think the question becomes what do we do? i think at some point we have to engage regional forces in iraq and in syria. we need to vet these moderates more. we need to figure out exactly who they are. we need to figure out exactly who we don't want to engage. as we've learned from russia, afghanistan, through syria, through iran, through iraq and so forth is that oftentimes the people we empower, train and arm are people who become our biggest enemies years later. so we absolutely want to be
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careful about this. but at the moment, what we can do are several things. one, we can investigate and dismantle the relationship between certain nation states and isis like qatar, like private saudi funding. not public but private saudi funding. we can also begin to figure out who we want to arm, who's helpful in iraq. we have a much clearer case. people like the peshmerga forces, et cetera, have been very helpful in the north. absolutely, we need to do more vetting of these moderate forces in syria. >> let's talk a little bit about the administration's messaging. last week there seemed to be a messaging problem over is this war, or isn't it war? this week it's been about boots on the ground. we've heard the president repeatedly say no combat boots on the ground. but then just this week, vice president biden told a reporter on wednesday, in fact, that the need for troops on the ground would be based on, quote, how the effort goes in iraq. so ben, why can't the white house team get on the same page? >> i have absolutely no idea. and i think it's dumbfounding for many democrats, republicans
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and especially many of the generals that have been disagreeing with this president. and i think a lot of it comes down to the fact president obama never, ever wanted to go into another country, especially syria. and his foreign policy is aid and support but don't get really involved outside of that. and i think this pipe dream foreign policy that we can somehow fight isis without us directly having boots on the ground is unrealistic. even when he addressed the nation, he said let me make this very clear, no boots on the ground. well, i don't think that is the reality, and i think most people around him are saying that to him. hey, you're not going to be able to win this unless american troops are really involved. and for some reason he is obsessed with being the nonwar president, and i don't think it's going to work. >> marc, you're shaking your head. >> because ben said, like, five things i disagree with. a week ago ben was saying you never take any military options off the table. if you say you're not going to put boots on the ground, you let
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the enemy know. now they're saying thog's off the table and people still aren't happy. >> obama's not saying that. people around him are saying that. >> i'm pretty sure joe biden gets orders from president obama. that doesn't take a huge leap of faith. >> i don't know. >> generals, they've all said very clearly and unequivocally no options off the table. do i have a critique of the president, from a strategic perspective and a public relations perspective? absolutely. there's absolutely nothing wrong with them saying no military option is off the table if you're thinking about engaging another enemy. >> we've got to leave it at that, gentlemen. sorry to cut you off. not my intention. thank you. thank you both. coming up, we want to return to our top story, and the fight against isis. there is now new video featuring someone who speaks english in a north american accent. u.s. officials are looking into this.
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we have this just in. an important new development in the fight against isis. investigators are now looking into a man seen briefly on an isis propaganda video. u.s. intelligence officials are taking a particular interest in this one, because the man sounds like he's from north america. listen.
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>> and we're here with the soldiers of bashad. they're digging their own graves. they said we a wbandoned the front, and turned our guns toward the muslims. they lied. we are the harshest words that will come. >> he goes on to shoot those men in this video. pamela brown is joining me on the phone. pamela, what are you learning about the investigation into that man seen on that video? >> well, anna, after scrutinizing the 55-minute video that you just showed, u.s. intelligence officials are now exploring the possibility that the individual that we just heard there, speaking seemingly perfect english could be an american, given how well he speaks the language. officials have not been able to identify the man, we're told, but they are doing voice analysis and comparing what they
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find to other individuals they've been watching, other individuals they believe who have joined the fight, or who have returned. and it's believed that at this point, u.s. officials say about a dozen americans are fighting with isis. so officials, as we speak, are poring over this video. preliminary -- it's a preliminary review. they're looking at any facial recognition. the voice analysis, as i mentioned, trying to piece together who this individual could be. officials i've been speaking with say that his appearance in this video is especially significant, because he comes across, they say, as articulate and persuasive. a person of influence within the militant group. of course, this is adding to their concern that this could be the first time we're seeing an individual who's possibly american, in a position of authority, inside the isis hierarchy. again, this is very early on. this is ongoing analysis. officials are looking at every
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scenario, whether this individual could be an arab who studied in north america, and he's from canada, but at this point they are exploring the possibility that he could be american, and this is very concerning to officials. >> definitely disturbing. pamela brown, thank you. coming up at the top of the hour, a hunt for a cop killer. police say they are closing in. l tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. transform tomorrow. transamerica. i'm mom at the playground the kids get trail mix, and you get a delicious milo's kitchen chicken meatball. i wish you liked my cooking that much. milo's kitchen. made in the usa with chicken or beef as the number one ingredient. the best treats come from the kitchen. oohh, you got it! i love the looks of it. [garage door closing] nobody touches my dodge dart, jake johnson. not even your best friend slash neighbor?
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you are in the "cnn newsroom." thank you for joining me. right now, extreme precautions are being used in the hunt for a suspected cop killer in pennsylvania. eric freen is a self-trained survivalist with a grudge against cops, possibly holed up in the pocono mountains. he's studied russian and serbian languages. they're telling people to stay away from the windows. police are very concerned for the safety of this community, and they're urging people to stay locked inside their homes. last night, police apparently thought they had freen cornered. we know shots were exchanged near the home in the poconos. but still freen is out there, somewhere. here's what we do know. he ambushed and gunned down
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police officer byron dixon last week. another officer was seriously injured. let's bring in alexandria field who is covering this story. alexandra, what are you hearing about this manhunt now? >> hey, anna. it's such a tense week for everyone in this community. what we've seen in the last couple of hours is another sort of resurgence of police efforts. they've been focused in the last couple of days near the suspect's parents' home. we saw the efforts to appear intensify earlier this afternoon. helicopters overhead. what they are doing is executing what's called a grid search. common in this kind of situation where they want to check off an area and restrict access to it. it isn't clear what prompted this sort of stepped-up efforts in one specific area just a short while ago. police are not yet saying what led them to that certain area. we're not identifying that area right now.
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the importance is to protect the safety and security of any of the officers involved here. what i can tell you is that more and more officers have been added to this search as this manhunt continues. we're now at a point where there are 300 to 400 officers in the area, s.w.a.t. teams are here, state police are here, the fbi, u.s. marshal's office. this person is considered to be armed and dangerous. there appeared to be a break in the overnight hours last night. police closed in on an area that they believed frein was. this morning, they are out there again continuing to search for the suspect who has evaded them for a week now. >> alexandra field, thank you. now to the nfl. commissioner roger goodell and his meeting with the media. he apologized yesterday for what he said was his mishandling of the ray rice domestic violence scandal. but goodell vowed to reform league policies, make the players and staff get education and training on preventing
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abuse. but questions still linger in the rice case. like, who knew what, and when? after tmz released that elevator video of rice knocking out his fiancee. cnn was told that atlantic city police described that elevator video to the ravens security chief shortly after it happened. and espn reports that the security head shared those details with team executives in baltimore, who then began a campaign for leniency on rice's behalf. quote, the outside the lines article contains numerous errors, inaccuracies, false assumptions and perhaps misunderstandings. roger goodell's news conference marked the first time he has spoken publicly in more than a week. a cnn commentator, and a legal analyst. roger goodell talked about reform, talked about the internal education programs for every team. but overall he really didn't
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offer specifics. how do you assess that news conference? >> i thought it was extremely disappointing. and one of the main reasons why i'm using that word is because, yes, he did do a couple thiks that were fantastic. i mean, he is going to do mandatory training throughout the nfl. he's also provided local resources to all of the teams in terms of resources that are already available in communities to help couples that are going through these issues of violence in their homes. they're also putting a ton of money behind two of the leading sexual violence, domestic violence support services and advocacy groups nationwide. however, the thing that has gotten the nfl into huge hot water with players, with fans, with sponsors, with the public, ann a&e, is the fact that we don't know where they stand in terms of punishment. so roger goodell, while he's taken a step forward to address
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training, he basically said, give us until the super bowl to figure out how we're going to handle the punishment aspect of these cases. and i thought that that was a humongous copout. you still have players like ray mcdonald, for example, who was arrested on domestic charges, who has been accused of getting into an altercation with his fiancee, who is ten weeks pregnant, yet he remains on the field. then you have other players who are yanked indefinitely. and that's a huge problem, anna. >> and on that note, you mentioned ray mcdonald. we know that he was arrested on suspicion of a domestic violence and abuse, but he hasn't been charged. so is it fair to say he should basically lose his job, or lose his playing time if he hasn't even been charged yet? >> it's a great point. and it's the one thing that people are talking to. you know how he came out at the end of august and announced new protocol for domestic violence,
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saying your first offense is a six-week mandatory suspension, the second one is an indefinite one, which under the rules can be appealed. but that whole set of rules is only triggered when you're charged. and in my mind, because domestic violence cases, which i've defended as a public defender prior -- you know, when i used to practice criminal law, they're so complicated. 90% of the victims recant for numerous reasons. and the nfl, fracl lfrankly, ha zero business in investigating those cases and they have no interest in finding out the truth. my personal opinion that the only thing that gives clarity is at the moment of arrest, if you as a player are arrested, and arrested based on probable cause for any violence against women, children or animals, you have an automatic six-game suspension. you'll still get paid. adrian peterson who is indicted on child abuse charges is on the bench, but he's getting $740,000
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a week pursuant to his contract. he's just not on the field. being on the field is what matters to these guys. putting them on the bench sends a message that an arrest alone is a violation of our policy, and that's what the nfl should be doing. >> mel robbins, thank you for lending your voice on this topic. i appreciate it. >> great talking to you. the president takes the center stage at the u.n. coming up, why lawmakers still aren't onboard. [ female announcer ] you change your style. why not your eye color? new air optix® colors prescription contact lenses enhance your eye color for a naturally beautiful look with consistent comfort. find your perfect color and get a free trial offer at
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sierra leone is on lockdown.
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an intent to stop the spread of ebola. they're going door to door to educate people on this disease. will it make a difference. dr. fink, thanks so much for being here. we know eight ebola workers were killed last week after stemming another lockdown that happened. and while they were out, that's what happened. is this lockdown the best solution? >> well, the aid workers were killed in guinea, so that's a different country. we'll see what happens in sierra leone. i understand the workers were out in a rural area. the fear of the lockdown, of course, sierra leone doesn't want their town to become monrovia, where this virus is so out of control, so they're taking this unprecedented step. you don't want to lose the trust with the population, and that's really key. >> they say they're trying to educate the folks there.
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is education an issue? >> education is critical. but it has to be done in a way that is culturally sensitive. and the fear is so huge. and so that's the fear, if you have a lockdown and people stop trusting the government. >> we learned nearly 20 volunteers have returned to be guinea pigs, essentially, on the ebola vaccine. what do you know about that? >> yes, this is exciting. it's americans, as well as british people, and i believe the country of mali. they are doing the very first safety tests of this vaccine. so brave volunteers. we don't know yet if it will be helpful. anything that you want to inject in somebody, you definitely want to do that safety test first. the hope is that if it's safe, if it produces an immune response, that then it can be ruled out in a series of studies that will actually be done during the epidemic, in some of the countries where people are affected. so people have high hopes that
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perhaps this could help. of course, the timeline is what's key here. >> on the time line note, how soon will we get results from the safety tests? >> they're saying, i think by november is what they're thinking. that's my understanding. october, november. so this is fast. we don't usually see things go that quickly. >> we've seen some of the other experimental drugs making a difference. if that could make a difference, a vaccine, imagine the possibilities, right? >> yes. >> thank you so much for joining me. i appreciate it. coming up, breaking news. another security incident at the white house. we'll have more on this just after the break. [door bell rings] ♪ [door bell rings] [phone rings] hello. heh. heh. heh-he-he...
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this just in to cnn. there's been a second security incident at the white house this weekend. what happened, erin? >> well, anna, this happened in the last hour or so. and a man in a car attempted to enter the barricaded part of the white house on the east side of the white house, at 15 and e streets. secret service ordered him to stop. he did not do so. he didn't make it into the barricades, but then he was taken into custody, and he will be charged with unlawful entry, anna. another big breach just in the last two days, because, of course, last night just after
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7:00 p.m., in fact, four minutes after president obama left with his two daughters for camp david for the weekend, another man by the name of omar gonzalez, a 42-year-old man from texas, scaled the fence right in front of the white house on the north side, and he ran up the lawn, about 105 yards and entered through the front doors of the north portico. and that is when secret service apprehended him. they took him via ambulance to george washington university medical center. so in two days, really, within the past 24 hours, there have been two major breaches of security at the white house. >> which has you asking, how does that happen? this is the white house we're talking about. are you hearing anything about beefing up security now? >> well, certainly, anna, we have seen just today that there has been an increased presence from secret service. there were secret service agents out this morning, secret service officers as well talking in
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clusters about what went wrong. it's been big news today. and there is an investigation under way about what went wrong, whether protocols were followed, and if they even work, anna. >> and whether there are maybe some security holes, given that two people now think they had an opportunity to somehow get into that white house property. thank you for that report, erin. reports of selfies in the operating room, and a doctor accused of malpractice. coming up, how joan rivers' doctor is responding.
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let's check in with dr. sanjay gupta for what's ahead on his show, at the bottom of the hour. >> anna, i don't have to tell you, the news has been pretty dark lately. so we decided to devote our spire program today to the pursuit of happiness. in fact, we traveled all the way to denmark, the happiest place on earth, to learn some really important and valuable lessons about life and love and laughter. i hope you'll join us, 4:30 eastern. >> something to look forward to. thanks, sanjay. more information is coming out now about the day that joan rivers went into cardiac arrest and her personal throat doctor is responding to accusations that she took a selfie with rivers while she was under anesthesia. here's cnn's susan candiotti with more. >> dr. gwen corrigan is popular with celebrities. even featured in singer celine
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dion's documentary seen examining her vocal cords. now the doctor is pushing back against allegations she took a selfie with the comedienne while she was under anesthesia. in a statement, a source close to the doctor, quote, categorically denies the doctor took a selfie with joan rivers, and categorically denied the doctor performed an unauthorized procedure on rivers. a different source tells cnn, staff at the clinic told investigators, she did take a photograph with rivers while she was sedated, and that she made a comment, paraphrasing here, that joan would get a kick out of this. and there is more from that source about the medical procedures that day. staffers tell authorities the doctor begins with a laringoscopy. they insert a camera down the throat and into the stomach.
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this doctor sees something. dr. corrigan then attempts to do another one to investigate. at that point rivers' vocal cords begin to swell. she goes into cardiac arrest. the source also says corrigan was not certified to perform any procedure at the clinic. she denies that. korovin's lawyer provided cnn a statement, that reads in part, dr. korovin is highly experienced, board certified, respected and admired by her peers, revered by her patients. it goes on to say because of her personal and professional policy, she does not publicly discuss her patients. at this time, the doctors and clinic are not accused of wrongdoing. three agencies are investigating. the medical examiner, state health department, and the federal agency regulating medicare payments to clinics. our source of investigators have not been able to talk to dr.
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korovin or have access to her phone. it's unclear when all the investigations will be done. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> dr. sherri fink is back to talk about this. she's a correspondent for "the new york times" who often writes about medical ethics. doctor, thank you so much. i want to get your reaction to the allegations that dr. korovin took a selfie. >> clearly, it's unprofessional, it's distasteful, and i think one of the key ethical principles of medicine is autonomy. you listen to what the patient wants, and if this was unauthorized, that's just not a good thing. that's not something a professional would do. and of course, she's denying that. so this is the accusation of somebody else. >> right. those accusations are jaw-dropping when you think about the professionalism inside an operating room. we also heard these reports, you
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know, say dr. korovin only had the authority to observe this other doctor, but not to perform any procedures on joan rivers. is that common for another doctor just to be there observing? >> it may be, again, total speculation. but this was -- if this was her longtime doctor, dr. kovoin, joan rivers may have asked she be there in the operating room. and whether authorized or not authorized, that probably has to do with the correct credentialing procedures for that particular clinic. then, of course, they could make an exception, temporarily credential somebody to be in there. but if she's board certified to do certain procedures, i could see a way that she could have officially been allowed. but, you know, maybe not. >> why wouldn't joan rivers have just gone to dr. korovin instead of this other fa stilt? >> that's a good question. the source breaking all this news, these types of things are some of the hardest things for
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reporters to report on because we have privacy laws around medicine. there are good reasons for that. but it can also be a way for doctors and health professionals to hide behind, oh, we can't release any information, because we have these privacy laws. it's a felony to divulge private medical information. so these reporters are -- it's a tough challenge to figure out what really happened there. >> absolutely. and susan candiotti has some sources that are helping us to understand a little bit more about what happened here. when she talks about sort of the time line of what happened, and there was the second procedure, what might make that second procedure taken place the way it did, if that is true? >> if it's true. obviously the vocal cords are right there where the airway is. i've seen cnn's reporting, the idea that the airway became inflamed and that cut off the flow of oxygen, and of course, that is just devastating.
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but, you know, why that happened, whether they had -- you know, the tube went in the wrong way, who knows, causing a hematoma, we don't know until we ghaet real information. >> the investigation continues. dr. fink, thank you so much for being here. "cnn newsroom" continues at the top of the hour. but for right now, keep it right here for "dr. sanjay gupta m.d." today we're taking a closer look at something we arguably all want in our lives, happiness. over the past decade, doctors and researchers from all over the world have conducted dozens of studies specifically looking how happiness impacts you and me. and what this remarkable new science tells us, is that not only is happiness feeling good, but also leading to a healthier and longer life. >> lift up. hold it for a


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