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them and turns out the spirit is moving almt all of them to pay it forward. >> invest it in microlending, specifically for women in third world countries. >> we took some of that money and put it into some programs to help other people. >> by the way, the church plans to give its share, the 90% to charity. >> nice. >> that's why it's "the good stuff." a lot of news this morning, right to carol costello. >> good morning. >> good morning. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now in "the newsroom," a new wave of strikes in syria. >> they were struck with precision-guided munitions over the course of about an hour and a half this afternoon by both u.s. and coalition aircraft. >> as a key ally enters the conflict. >> britain will play its part. >> america this morning laser focused on isis hideouts. >> there will be more. there will be more.
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and arrested. >> jesse matthew is in custody in galveston, texas. >> breaking new dedetails on the case of the missing uva student hannah graham. >> deputiies responded to a cal of a suspicion person camping on the beach. >> what evidence did police find? this morning jesse matthews faces a judge. also -- >> why did you decide to take this case to the grand youjury? >> a couple reasons. one is forever we have taken all homicide cases to the grand jury. >> a cnn exclusive. >> you don't just walk away from a case because you know you're catching a lot of grief over it. i can be fair and i have been fair. >> one on one with ferguson prosecutor bob mccullough. could a lawyer whose father was killed in the line of duty by a black man be unbiased? and lattegate. >> the bottle of jack daniels and a cigarette in the other. >> the president, a cup of
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coffee and a picture worth a thousand words. let's talk, live in "cnn newsroom." good morning, i'm carol costello. we begin. with you developments in the disappearance of hannah graham. jesse matthews appeared in court in gas very wellton, texas. authorities want to bring him back to charlottesville, vshlg. he was captured four days after he sped away from police in the virginia college town. police got a tip a suspicious person bass camping out on a beach in galveston. this surveillance video caught matthew at a convenience store in the area on tuesday, 1,300 miles from where hannah went missing. let's start with jean casarez in charlottesville, good morning. >> good morning. it was just minutes ago that jesse matthew appeared in his initial appearance before a judge in galveston county. we were able to hear him talk a little bit, the first words out
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of his mouth, carol, was "they took all my clothes, and i had to sleep on a hard thing." well the judge deviated from that for a moment and went into the charges. he's being held, it's a federal hold that is on him right now. the warrant out of virginia of course fugitive from justice, it is abduction of hannah graham and also the local texas charges that allowed him to arrest him, failure to identify himself as a fugitive and intention to give false information. the judge asked him are you going to sign that you want an attorney to fight extradition or you don't want an attorney, so i think that's the pivot al issue is he going to try to not come back to the state of virginia? police say they now have the man wanted in connection with the kidnapping of 18-year-old hannah dwra ham. graham. >> because of the collaborative efforts of the federal bureau of investigation and state and
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local law enforcement across this nation, jesse matthew is in custody in galveston, texas. >> this is the latest video of jesse matthew working as a volunteer football coach hours before he met the university of virginia sophomore. later that night he was seen on this surveillance video putting his arm around graham at the charlottesville downtown mall. police believe he was the last person to see hannah before she vanished september 13th. >> we have a person in custody, but there's a long road ahead of us and that long road includes finding hannah graham. >> a gallon very to be county judge told a local reporter matthew didn't resist arrest and deputies responded to a call of a suspicious person camping on the beach at around 3:30 p.m. wednesday. run of the license plate showed a warrant for matthew's arrest. >> the hero of today is an employee, a deputy with the galveston county sheriff's office. >> reporter: earlier this week matthew was recorded walking into the convenience store on
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the bolivar peninsula near where police picked him up. he purchased a few items and left. matthew worked as an operating room patient technician at the university's medical center, but has since been suspended without pay. items collected from searches of matthew's car and apartment are being examined by technicians at the virginia department of forensic science. >> we're determining whether an item of evidence, a body fluid or whatever came from a particular individual. >> reporter: the police chief expects those dna results back before the end of the week. ♪ meanwhile, a devastated community waits for answers. it took about four hours between the time that jesse was arrested and then brought in to the jail and carol, i spoke with the jail and they said they were doing a lot of questions of gjesse matthew. where is hannah? under the emergency doctrine
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they're allowed to ask him, where is she, what do you know, how can we find her. >> jean casarez, stand by. i want to go to cnn's ed lavandera live near galveston and joins us on the phone. ed, did you see jesse matthew in court and if you did, what was his demeanor? >> reporter: koorleno, carol, wn our way into galveston and trying to track down exactly what brought him here, you know, what authorities might be looking for here on the island and any kind of clues that might help in this investigation. >> so at this point, we don't know if matthew knew anyone in galveston, texas? >> reporter: no, it's not exactly clear. so that is obviously something that will be of great interest to investigators, what brought him here, perhaps is there anybody helping hem, that sort of thing. we'll be trying to dig into that today. >> all right, we'll let you get
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back to it, ed lavandera reporting live as well. police say this case is nowhere near over. initially theyish eyed arrest warrants for jesse matthew for reckless driving but now he's facing charges in hannah graham's disappearance. cnn senior legal analyst paul callan joins me now and i hope jean casarez is with us. jesse matthew has been charged with abduction with intent to defile. i'm never heard of that charge, paul. >> it's a very strange statute in virginia, and it's obviously a type of kidnapping where there was an intent to sexually abuse or rape the victim. what i find to be most interesting about it is that the murder statute in virginia has a provision that if you abduct with the intent to defile and the victim is killed spen intentionally that's a death penalty case. they're setting this up for a death penalty charge should the evidence indicate that hannah has been killed in the course of whatever happened to her.
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>> interesting. so jaean, we know police searchd this guy's car and they took forensic evidence out of that car. any indication of what they found? >> reporter: no. that is not being released and i am in correspondence with the state crime lab, they're continuing to do the forensic testing on these items and they had the first round, now they're doing the second round, and the police chief has said on the record that he believes that later in the week, he'll get the forensic results so i don't think that they have those yet. hou however, the police chief did say there was credible evidence found in his car and apartment that led to the abduction charges. maybe tangible items, cell phone, wallet, things they can touch and hold. >> paul, i guess the next step for virginia authorities is get the guy back to virginia, so do you think he'll fight extradition and if he chooses to fight extradition, will he be successful? >> well, it's always an interesting question because people think he'll battle extradition but in truth, to
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extradite somebody all you have to prove is that he's the right person, he's jesse graham and virginia issued a warrant for his arrest. there's no examination of the strength of the case or his guilt or innocence so it's very, very hard to fight extradition. virginia law enforcement authorities might like to see him fight extradition because it will give them more time to develop their case in virginia while he remains in custody, if if he comes back to virginia, they've got to present it to the grand jury or appear before a judge and they're going to have to start showing their hand, did they really have enough evidence to indict him. this is a weird case i think it would be a good thing for virginia if he fights extradition. >> paul callan, jean casarez, many thanks to both of you. still to come, london police launch a terror sweep and you may recognize one of the nine suspects. what the radical cleric said on cnn, just a few weeks ago, that got the internet buzzing and american tempers rising.
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the u.s.-led air strikes on isis continues. the coalition grows larger and the critics grow louder as well. right now, actually this is not the iranian president, but soon the iranian president hassan rouhani is going to speak before the united nations telling the general assembly that he, too, believes isis must be eradicated but he says the strikes in syria are illegal because syria did not give permission, yet the coalition grows. belgium and the netherlands say they will take part in the air strikes but only in iraq. abc news says french military leaders are discussing that option today. british lawmakers will hold that debate tomorrow. the british prime minister david cameron at the united nations says countries need to step up. >> isil is a threat to us all,
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but the greatest threat is to the region. it is very welcomed that a number of arab countries have already taken part in the action to degrade isil. they have shown courage and leadership. iran should also be given the chance to show it can be part of the solution, not part of the problem. ♪ >> in the meantime, the latest strikes in syria targeted oil facilities operated by isis. they enrich the group by about $2 million every single day. human rights group in syria says day three of the strikes killed 14 militants and five civilians. also new overnight london police arrest nine men on terror charges that are accused of belonging to or supporting a banned organization. according to british media reports, one of the suspects is the radical muslim cleric anjam
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choudary. he was on cnn's "reliable sources" refusing to condemn the beheading of the journalist james foley. >> how could you not look into the camera and condemn the beheading of a journalist trying to tell the story of the people affected by bombings and killings in syria? >> well, quite frankly i think it's completely pathetic for to you ask a muslim to condemn the killing of one individual when hundreds of thousands of muslims are being slaughtered of which you don't know the name. people have been raped and they've been humiliated. we have our sister in america beaten and tortured. >> i'm talking about a specific case widely publicized about a journalist who was trying to tell the story of muslims in the middle east. >> well you know, as i say, i think that this is the result of the barbarity of the american foreign policy. >> he's in custody now. let's take a closer look and in just a couple of minutes brian
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stelter will talk about his interview with this man. let's begin with the arrest and cnn's erin mclaughlin in london. tell us more, erin. >> reporter: hi, carol. police are saying that those arrests are not in response to any sort of eminent public safety risk. they arrested nine individuals by the counterterrorism unit overnight. those nine individuals mainly arrested in london, but also in the english town of stoke on trent, they were aged between 21 years old and 51 years of age. police at the moment are not releasing their identities, but as you mentioned, british media are reporting that one of them is a well-known radical cleric by the name of anjam choudr cha. there's isis rhetoric coming from chaudhry and some of his supporters, important also to note that the police while they
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are not naming the individuals that have been arrested, they are also not naming this organization, this banned organization in question. carol? >> all right, erin, thank you so much. now let's turn to brian stelter and your interview with this guy. it was astounding what he said. it was disgusting what he told you. >> and i think he was purposely provoking in the interview with me and in other interviews on other american media, he had been on fox news that same week. he started with me during the sound check before it aired usually we say to say to one count to ten on your microphone. he said one, two, three, four five and said 9/11, 7/7, 3/11, names the dates of islamic attacks in different countries and started laughing about it. when i asked him in the interview he told me i shouldn't take it so searouslseriously. people like this sometimes try to provoke. he does that not just on
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television but on youtube, on his twitter account, et cetera. >> some people might criticize you for putting him on television but he's out there on the internet and what he says radicalizes some people. >> it was a tough one for me. i wasn't sure what the right call was so a week after we had him on we had someone come on the program and criticize what he said, respond to what he said, refute what he said so we did have a variety of opinions heard. i almost always come down the side of saying we hear all of these voices, even the extreme ones like him, and i think question look back to 2001 for an example of that, a very different situation of course but osama bin laden identified a number of reasons why he said he was motivated to organize the attacks on september 11th. we may be horrified to hear those reasons, but it's important to hear how they justify the crazy things these people do. >> are you surprised he's under arrest now in britain? >> he had been targeted before so this is striking that after a few weeks after prime minister
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cameron came out and talked about the upgraded terror threat in that country that he and a number of other men have been swept up in this. i wonder what happens if and when he gets released and he takes back to twitter and takes back to youtube and uses it perhaps to gain more converts. >> there are a lot of people out there that hopes youtube and twitter do something about that. brian stelter, thank you so much. iranian president hassan rouhani is just about to speak before the united nations general assembly. we expect him to talk about the war on isis and iran's role in this crisis. we do not expect rouhani to say anything remotely positive about the united states, at least not publicly. rouhani did sit down with cnn's fareed zakaria and criticized the obama administration for arming moderate syrian rebels. rouhani says it will not be effective, in fact he says america could be creating another terrorist group. >> when you say that you don't want the united states to fight isis but in the fighting of it
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to create another terrorist group, what group are you thinking of? >> translator: the american authorities themselves they have announced that they wish to train another terrorist group, equip that group and send them to syria to fight. >> you mean the free syrian army? >> translator: you can call it whatever you wish, sir. be that as it may, it is a group, it is another group that, as they have announced, i'm not sure what their plan is, they say we wish to train these folks in another country, military training, and they even announced the time frame. with whose permission, with whose authority? with what mandate according to what international laws and norms are they doing this? >> rouhani's trip to the united nations also included the first face-to-face meeting between iran and britain in 35 years. will rouhani meet in some capacity with president obama?
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well, we just don't know at the moment. president of the national iranian-american council joins us with more with some insight actually. good morning, thank you so much for being with us. >> good morning, thank you for having me. >> thanks for being here. so will iran help with isis, despite rouhani's words? >> well, if you listen carefully to what rouhani was saying he was actually far less negative than would be the standard of the islamic republic, and reality is that the iranians have been fighting alongside the iraqi government and the kurds against isis for more than two months now. what is difficult for them is to operate openly in coordination with the united states and operate under an american banner. that is not going to happen any time soon. reality on the ground the u.s. and iran are indirectly coordinating with each other when it comes to dealing with isis at least in iraq. >> uhurouhani paints himself as
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reasonable man. he says in the middle of conflict let's not go to raids and let's first raise the baby before we go on to number two. he tries to be warmer and fuzzier. he is am indhe ahmadinejad ligh? >> i certainly don't think so. he is dealing with the regional issues as long as the nuclear issue is first resolved and that is something that there's an agreement upon between both the united states and iran that absent a resolution to that, the inhibitions, the obstacles towards greater collaboration is going to be very, very significant. >> fareed zakaria also asked rouhani about the young iranians who made the harmless video fansing to ffans i dancing to pharrell video "happy." ♪ no offense don't waste your time here's why because i'm
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happy ♪ >> the young people were sentenced to lashes. rouhani said his job is to uphold the constitution but added he never saw the video. is he being disingenuous. >> it's very interesting because when this whole thing happened there was a large impression that this was done by elements in iran who wanted to embarrass rouhani and rouhani tweeted something that very much sounded in support of these individuals who are dancing rather than in support of the judiciary. once on american soil, however, he's going to speak very different language. he's not going to be criticizing his domestic political opponent while sitting in the united states. he can be very harsh dweagainstm inside of iran. it was clear he was uncome forthable that moment. he didn't want to say anything critical of them while on american soil. >> it makes you wonder what might happen to these young people because i think that although they've been sentenced to lashes the punishment has not yet occurred. >> the pun shamt has been
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suspended but the larger point though is that there are still major human rights violations taking place in iran and there hasn't been a movement on the issue as a lot of people hoped for. part of it is because rouhani doesn't have the political maneuverability to do so until he first resolves the nuclear issue. that's why a lot of focus right now is on that issue and for the next two months to see if it can be resolved and once it is, hopefully it is resolved, then i think it's going to be very difficult for him to continue to accept the status quo inside of iran's politics without major, positive developments on the issues of human rights. >> trita parsi thank you for your insight this morning, it was helpful. still to come in "the newsroom," the prosecutor in the ferguson case feeling the heat from protesters yet again. >> did you think ever about making a grand gesture by stepping down from this case and letting a special prosecutor take over? >> there's a very vocal group, don't get me wrong, that thinks
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that i'm the devil incarnate and shouldn't be on this case. >> more from our exclusive interview with robert mccullo h mccullough, next.
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all right some breaking news out of ferguson, missouri, as you know that city had been engulfed in tur royal following the shooting of michael brown by officer darren wilson. the police chief is issuing an apology. ana cabrera live in ferguson.
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before we get to that apology, you sat down and talked to the prosecutor in ferguson. what did he tell you? >> reporter: carol, we are are working to bring that apology to the public. it was in a video form and we are working to put it into a format which we can show on our air. i want to talk a little bit more about prosecutor bob mccullough. lot of protesters are angry with him. we have been hearing these ongoing chabts for him to recuse himself from the case because there could be a perceived bias with his involvement in the case. we spoke about that as well as what the grand jury is doing and how they're moving along in the investigation of officer darren wilson and the shooting death of michael brown. >> i'm sorry, what else did the prosecutor tell you? >> reporter: i thought we were going to have a piece there to share with our viewers.
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>> i did, too. that's why we're a little off kilter here. we have our piece now, ana, so let's roll. >> reporter: we do have it. a new explosion of violence in ferguson, missouri. >> this behavior will not be tolerated. the safety of the officers and the individuals in our community will be maintained. >> reporter: the fresh unrest. >> no justice, no peace! >> reporter: a reminder of the tensions still simmering in this small town. >> hands up. >> don't shoot. >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> reporter: the action sent to the st. louis county jury six weeks after darren wilson shot and killed michael brown. why did you decide to take this case to the grand jury? >> a couple reasons, one is that forever we have taken all homicide cases to the grand jury. >> reporter: prosecutor bob mccullough has done few interviews since his office got the case. he remains a target of protesters who want him to step
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aside. >> bob mccullough has got to go. >> you don't just walk away from a case because you're catching a lot of grief over it. i can be fair and i have been fair. >> reporter: people are still angry about this and worried there is a bias because your father was killed in the line of duty, a police officer, and was killed by an african-american person. >> correct. all of that is correct, and all that is irrelevant in terms of whether there's any bias or prejudice on my part. i know what it's like to lose a loved one to violence, and so i know what that feeling is. if it causes moo toe lean one way or the other, it causes me to lean towards victims of violence. >> reporter: did you think ever about maybe making a grand gesture by stepping down from this case, and letting a special prosecutor take over? >> there's a very vocal group, don't get me wrong, that thinks that i'm the devil incarnate and shouldn't be on this case, but when you look at the ones making
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those allegations, look behind them. >> reporter: mccullough insists there is no hidden agenda behind the grand jury's secret proceedings. their term extended until january but a decision could come sooner. >> it's taken longer than we anticipated on each witness so it is likely to go 'til probably the end of october, into the first part of november, maybe as far as the middle of november. >> reporter: he says the seven men and five women selected randomly by a judge are hearing from every witness, seeing every piece of evidence, all of which he says will eventually be made public when a decision is made on whether to indict officer wilson. >> we don't get it! >> justice! >> reporter: a community desperate for answers. these protesters say they will not rest. >> everyone is here for mike brown. everybody's here for justice. >> don't shoot! >> reporter: it's justice they demand, no matter how long it takes. ana cabrera, cnn, ferguson, missouri. >> all right, ana, i want to bring you back in to talk about
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this apology issued by the ferguson police chief. before we get to the video, how did this come about? >> reporter: we really know very little information about why now, why do it this way, but we are told that the police chief wanted to give this heartfelt apology and he wanted to be able to say it in a complete way, and we're going to ask him more specifically about kind of the background behind doing it this way, when we sit down with him for an interview in just a couple of hours, but let's listen to his apology. >> as many of you know my name is tom jackson i'm the chief of police of the city of ferguson. the events of the past few weeks have sent shock waves not just around the community here but around the nation. overnight it went from being a small town police chief to being a part of a conversation about racism, equality, and the role of policing in that conversation. as chief of police and as a resident, i want to be part of
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that conversation. i also want to be part of the solution, but before we can engage in further discussion of the broader issues, i think it's important that we address the central issue that brought us here today and that's the death of michael brown. i want to say this to the brown family. no one who has not experienced the loss of a child can understand what you're feeling. i'm truly sorry for the loss of your son. i'm also sorry that it took so long to remove michael from the street. the time that it took involved very important work on the part of investigators who were trying to collect evidence and gain a true picture of what happened that day, but it was just too long, and i am truly sorry for that. please know that the investigating officers meant no disrespect to the brown family, to the african-american community or the people of canfield. they were simply trying to do their jobs. there were many people who were upset about what happened in ferguson, and came here to
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protest peacefully. unfortunately, there were others who had a different agenda. i do want to say to any peaceful protester who did not feel that i did enough to protect their constitutional right to protest, i am sorry for that. the right of the people to peacefully assemble is what the police are here to protect, if anyone who is peacefully exercising that right is upset and angry, i feel responsible and i'm sorry. i'm also aware of the pain and the feeling of mistrust felt in some of the african-american community towards the police department. the city belongs to all of us and we're all a part of this community. it is clear that we have much work to do. as a community, a city and a nation, we have real problems to solve, not just in ferguson, but the entire region and beyond. for any mistakes i have made, i take full responsibility. it's an honor to serve the city of ferguson and the people who live there. i look forward to working with you in the future to solve our problems and once again, i
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deeply apologize to the brown family. >> again that was ferguson police chief tom jackson with a public apology, really the first public apology we have heard since the shooting death of michael brown, it's something that people who live in the community around where michael brown was shot and killed have been calling for and asking for and saying why haven't you done this, and that that would be a first small step in maybe healing this whole situation, and so it's interesting that it is coming now six weeks later and in this form. i can also tell you, though, that we are hearing and learning that there will be some kind of a public apology tour of sorts where he is planning to go out directly and talk with the folks who feel so much pain and hurt and anger towards him and his department and really wanting justice in the death of michael brown and in their view, that justice would be the indictment of officer darren wilson. carol? >> and you're going to talk to chief jackson a little later
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today, right, ana? >> reporter: right, we will sit down with a one on one where we can ask him these questions about why he hasn't done this, sooner, why now and more about what the department is doing in order to bridge that divide that is so deep and so wide in this community, he mentioned the racial tensions in this community, and in his video as we just heard he talked about the police department having a responsibility and a role in that divide, and we'll talk to him about why he thinks it has developed, and what he plans in order to move forward. >> all right, ana cabrera, thanks so much. i want to bring in cnn legal analyst paul callan. few things intrigued me about that public apology. he wasn't in uniform. chief jackson was in street clothes. >> that's interesting, and i don't know if you want to get to your second interesting point. the most interesting to me he we was in street clothes so doing this as an individual citizen, maybe as a spokesman for the police department.
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i've never seen a high profile case where a police chief, while the investigation is still ongoing, apologized for conduct of himself or his police officers. that's very, very unusual, but he answers to a constituency in ferguson majority african-americans, and guess who gets to pick the police chief, their elected representatives, so if the population there starts voting more aggressively for their own candidates, he's kind of worried about his job in the future because the community he answers to is largely african-american community. >> his officers did something wrong with leaving michael brown's body in the street for so long, he said didn't mean any disrespect, i'm sorry about that, that shouldn't have happened. it's not often you hear a police chief while the case is ongoing admit that his officers might have done something wrong. >> i've always thought that that was the one thing that really set this off, that level of disrespect that the public perceived by leaving that young man's body in the hot sun for
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all of that period of time. i rode homicides myself when i was a prosecutor in new york, whenever there's a murder, the da goes out to the scene so i've been to many a homicide scene. usually they're inside buildings and the body is not within view. but the body has to be left in place while forensic experts come in to take photographs and while investigation is done and if it's an officer-involved shooting it's a longer investigation. what they should have done here is screened it off so that it couldn't be viewed from the surrounding buildings and photographed, and that was a huge error, because it looked like enormous disrespect for the black community. >> he also apologized for the demonstrations that took place and the police tactics that were used although he didn't implicitly say that, but he did apologize for that, too, which i thought interesting. >> yes, well he did but of course he implied there were a lot of troublemakers who came in and caused the problem, but you know, you have to look at the situation. this is a town of 25,000 people
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approximately. it's a small town police force. they were so over their heads in this case and with the demonstrations that it's clear they were out of control, they didn't know what they were doing. i think he's publicly acknowledging that. i think it's a good move by the chief. >> it's seemingly a good move especially and i like that he was in street clothes because he seemed less intimidating and that's probably why he chose to wear street clothes and he also says he's aware of racial tensions in a way he has never been before and he wants to be part of the conversation. i don't know how receptive the community will be to that, but at least he's trying. >> well, he's trying and i think in the end, the african-american community has to be shown that law enforcement works for them as well as everybody else in the community, and i think this is a step in that direction. that's not to say he'll keep his job when this case is over and if the city council or the town council changes in the future as i suspect it will. >> paul callan, thank you so much. we're back in a minute.
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just hours after president obama called on the international community to reject the cancer of violent extremism, coalition forces unleashed yet another round of punishing air strikes against isis. the targets included in isis headquarters a training camp and several mobile oil refineries, the goal here to obliterate the terrorist group's main source of revenue. let's dig deeper oen that with seth jones, a political
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scientist with the rand corporation, we're also joined by cnn military analyst general spider marks. welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you, carol. >> thanks, carol. >> i'll start with you, general. the defense department says isis generates about $2 million a day from the black market oil. so is it enough to go after the refineries? >> well, you know, what we're going to do is eliminate their ability to refine and then distribute clearly on the black market, i mean the difficulty is do we go after the crude? do we go after where they produce the oil, where they get it out of the ground, and that has, that would have a monstrous effect on syria in terms of ultimately somebody coming in and trying to clean the mess up. so we're trying to at this stage we're going to go light before we have to go too heavy, and go after their ability to refine and distribute. so i think the short answer is yes, it can certainly have a negative effect, but it has to be assessed and we have to possibly get a little more aggressive as we go along.
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>>ette ettseth, don't awe you go after the buyers, too? >> you have to go after the buyers and a range of other sources. the challenge with isis is it's got redundant financing. it's got financing from bank accounts that it's stolen, taxation among areas that it controls, so the problem is if you focus on one area, they have an able to gain finances from other types of activity. >> seth, i also wanted to ask you about this, according to a report, you wrote for the rand corporation earlier this summer. you said between 2010 and 2013 the number of jihadist groups worldwide grew by 58%. that's a staggering number. and it seems to me military might can only go so far so how do you degrade and destroy recruiting efforts in isis' global network in light of that? >> just to be clear that increase in jihadist activity spanned north africa, the middle east and parts of south asia,
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but i think what you have to do is consider this just as much of a political as it is a military schedule, going after the ideology of these groups, groups like isis almost invariably overstate and overreact. they behead individuals and that tends to undermine local populations. we saw it in iraq in the 2005 and '06 people with al qaeda in iraq, brutal killings and beheadings, it's taking advantage of those kinds of activities and sending and developing an information campaign towards local populations to undermine their support base. >> so when pentagon officials, general, say it's going to take years to win this war or degrade isis and ultimately destroy it, actually listen for yourself what the military is saying. >> this is the beginning of a long effort, the united states military is poised and ready to
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contribute to that effort for as long as it takes. there will be more. there will be more. >> okay, so as long as it takes, general. he said maybe it will take up to six years, who knows. >> this could, carol, be a decades fight. seth is absolutely spot on. the root of this is the radicalization of islam. it clearly has presence in all the mideast, north africa, other places of the world to include south asia. the immediate issue we have to focus in on now we have to attack that. it is not dissimilar to a national effort, an international effort against cancer. there must be research, there must be efforts and it's going to tack a lot ke a lot of time . what we have to do right now is we have to be able to stop the immediate bloodshed that's occurring. there is a military effort to that. there is not a military solution. it's an effort and part of an entire strategy that has to include all the elements of power so what you see right now is the isolation of isis that is
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to say cutting off its elements of support in syria. this is a good first step, that allows the forces in iraq to get their act together over time, give them some time, give them some space and what you see next, carol, will be an increase of the air strikes in support of iraqi forces in iraq, again, to further degrade isis. nothing is going to go away in terms of a defeat until you're able to get at all those sources of support which will possibly be generational. >> all right, general marks, seth jones, thank you so much for your insight. i appreciate it. i'm back in a minute. >> thanks, carol. >> thanks, ka are ol. the smartest or nothing. the quietest or nothing. the sleekest... ...sexiest, ...baddest, ...safest, ...tightest, ...quickest, ...harshest... ...or nothing. at mercedes-benz, we do things one way or we don't do them at all.
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and yet another energy saving opportunity from pg&e. find new ways to save energy and money with pg&e's business energy check-up. as a global coalition aims to stop the rising growth of isis, the fear of terror could be spreading even quicker. more terrorists are using isis' game plan, kidnapping and beheading ordinary citizens to spread their message it's one of the most effective tools these groups have. we could see even more kidnappings in the future. cnn's brian todd has more for you. >> reporter: a blood curdling page out of the isis playbook, militants stand behind a french hostage in algeria. he speaks, they speak. then they behead him. these terrorists are not under isis control, but pledged
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allegiance to the isis leader. in the philippines, another terror group not affiliated with isis still threatens to execute two german hostages if the allied bombing campaign against isis doesn't stop. they come on the heels of three hostage executions by isis on videotape. will this tactic spread? will more americans and others from allied nations be at risk from isis and its supporters? >> there's every reason to believe that when you start to antagonize them and increase the attacks, that they're going to do what they can. they're in survival mode. so this is a tactic which they do all the time, to raise money, influence societies and to legitimize their organization. so there's no reason to doubt that they're going to do everything they can. >> u.s. intelligence and counterterrorism officials wouldn't comment when asked if they're worried air strikes would lead to more hostage taking. we asked a former fbi hostage specialist.
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>> they have to be. any responsible government officials would be concerned. is it the right thing to do militarily where they're killing people has to be disrupted. it's the right thing to do and they're concerned. >> reporter: isis is threatening to behead another hostage, british aid worker alan henning whose wife just received an audio message pleading for his life. isis coming under military pressure, abductions might be their most effective and highly visible weapon. >> it's tremendous publicity. these videos are really recruiting videos. they're really after getting more followers and after more funding: that's the principle reason for this. they need to show themselves as a force to be reckoned with. >> should mayor kangs and other westerners be more worried now about traveling to more and more places? >> if you look at the state department postings and look at the security briefings, absolutely. it increases the thread environment. it puts any american or
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coalition member society at risk because you're a more valuable target. >> former fbi hostage specialist chris voss says it isn't any different than if you're in a neighborhood you shouldn't be in in any city in america or elsewhere. if you know there's a lot of criminal behavior or terrorist behavior inn a given area and lack of security, use common sense. don't go there. brian todd, cnn, washington. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" after a break. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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happening now in the "newsroom." air strikes target the financial lifeline of isis, the oil refineries. we're taking stock of the damage done in iraq and syria as we stand by for an update from the pentagon. then a suspect in the disappearance of uva student hannah graham arrested after a nationwide manhunt. he was picked up halfway across the country from where he was last seen with her, so where is hannah now? plus -- >> can i have your license please. >> he has a gun. get out of the car -- >> oh, shot for not wear ag seatbelt. the victim of this police shooting survived, but the trooper is now facing criminal charges. let's talk. life in the cnn "newsroom."

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