tv CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello CNN October 1, 2014 7:00am-8:01am PDT
good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin with breaking news. this morning u.s. health officials are scrambling to contain the public fear and possible spread of the first ebola case diagnosed on american soil. right now, the unidentified patient is an an isolation ward at a dallas hospital. he traveled from the ebola hot spot of liberia in west africa. he left there seemingly healthy on the 19th of september. he arrived in dallas, the next day, september 20, still not showing any symptoms. it wasn't until four days later on the 24th that he started getting sick. two days later he went to the hospital but they sent him home with antibiotics. two days after that, on the 28th, he was hospitalized and isolated. then just yesterday the cdc
confirm head does indeed have ebola. a cdc team is in dallas and the search is on for anyone who came into contact with this patient between the 24th and 28th. it's during those four days that he could have infected someone else. health officials say an opportunity was missed to possibly identify this case earlier. >> but the emergency room physician had asked this person "do you have any recent travel outside of the country?" and if the person said "well, i just came back from liberia, that would have been an enormous red flag for anybody, given the publicity that we have. >> our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is at the cdc in atlanta and he brings up a good point. why did they send this guy home with just antibiotics? >> he brings up a good point and, frankly, something we've been talking about for months in terms of what it means to be prepared as a nation to hand this will sort of thing and that sort of one of the basic things.
let's not miss the easy things here. let's be able to identify people who could to potentially be at risk and in this case that was missed. this was a clear miss and that's obviously a problem that hopefully won't happen again. but look, this is a historic thing. you've never had a patient diagnosed with ebola in the united states, you've never had a patient diagnosed with ebola outside of africa and that obviously raises concerns but this wasn't entirely unexpected. we know, carol, this was going to happen at some point. the priority now is to take care of this patient that we're talking about who we hear is in critical condition but apparently talking and number two, find out everyone the person came in contact with over those four days. when he was sick but not yet admitted to the hospital. it's quite a challenge. take a look. this morning, the door-to-door investigation begins. health officials, including a crew from the center s s for disease control now in dallas in search for anyone who may have
come in contact with the first patient diagnosed with ebola in the united states. >> the patient admitted to this hospital has tested positive for ebola virus, the cause of ebola virus disease. >> reporter: according to the cdc, the unidentified patient traveled from liberia on september 19, landing on september 20. doctors say he did not feel sick until the 24th. >> the patient was visiting family members and staying with family members who live in this country. >> reporter: ebola is a virus that can affect multiple organ systems and can sometimes cause internal bleeding. the symptoms don't appear for two to 21 days after infection. signs do include sudden fever, weakness, muscle pain, headaches and a sore throat. the disease is also spread by direct contact via bodily fluids. only after symptoms begin. >> this is not transmitted by the air. there's no risk to a person in
this hospital who's walking or is a patient. there's simply no reason to be fearful of that. >> reporter: paramedics who transported the patient are now quarantined. the ambulance used is decontaminated, it's cordoned off. there's some concern because ambulance 37 was used for two days after transporting the patient, though health officials saying it's okay. the dallas county health department confirmed paramedics followed proper goidlines to avoid contaminating additional patients. so far, none of the crew members are exhibiting signs of the disease, this as the cdc says fellow passengers on the same flight from liberia are likely not at risk. still, doctors warned to remain vigilant. >> i have no doubt that we'll stop this in its tracks in the u.s.. but i also have no doubt that as long as the outbreak continues in africa, we need to be on our guard. >> there has to be real clarity as well, carol, as to what
happens with these contacts. is f someone was known to be a contact of this person, they should be taking their temperature twice a day for 21 days, but should they also be garn teened? we're hearing different things on that. most people are saying they don't need to be quarantined unless they are sick. but on the other hand, the ambulance drivers are not sick but they are being quarantined so these mix messages make things challenging in terms of next steps and these are questions that need to be put to the cdc and folks in dallas. >> here's another thing. i'm totally healthy and i can't remember every person i came into contact with in the last four or five days. this man is critically ill. how can he possibly remember who he's contact into contact with? >> it's really challenging one thing i would say about being ill versus being healthy, when you're ill you're more likely to be home.
but you raise a good point. when i asked the cdc folks about that, that i say "we think it's a handful of contacts." don't know what that means exactly but they don't think he was in a big crowded area, shopping mall, he wasn't feeling well enough to be doing that sort of thing. that's the theory, carol. >> dr. sanjay gupta, stick around because you'll join me again in about 30 minutes to answer viewer questions about ebola. if you have questions tweet them to it at cnn using the hashtag "ebola q&a." i've been reviewing the questions and excellent questions, i must say so i can't wait until 10:30 eastern time. sanjay, stick around. i want to turn to my next guest now. david dewhurst is the lieutenant governor of texas. thank you so much for being here. are you confident that everything is being done to protect the citizens of texas? s especially if dallas? >> absolutely. we're following the protocols,
we have the individual quarantined. we're protecting the rest of the staff and the patients at presbyterian and we're going out and contacting all the people that he was in contact with so that we can monitor them. and the first signs of any of the symptoms, fever, headaches, diarrhea, vomiting, then they would need to be isolated. >> it's a tough task, though, isn't it? authorities going door to door trying to figure out who this man came into contact with? >> well, the health officials have been talking with him and we're in the process of contacting these people so we can monitor them. i'm confident, carol, that we'll be able to contain this just as the cdc said and one of the things people can do that are listening is that if they have questions, go to cdc.gov and that will give you the full explanation of what the symptoms
are, because knowledge is power. and, again, we're doing everything according to the protocols, everything which we can in texas. we want to protect texans and americans. >> i want to read you one question that came through on my facebook page from a man named tom. he said "why the held is the state department letting people travel to and from liberia where ebola is so rampant? i say if they want to go there, one-way ticket." how would you respond to that now? >> i'm not going to respond to that. i understand british airways did stop their flights into west africa through the end of august. and that's one of the reasons why physicians, health care personnel, when someone comes in with headaches, nausea, diarrhea, they need to check their travel history and see where they've been. >> let's talk about that. so the man went to liberia where he probably contract eed ebola he flew on a plane, landed in the united states.
>> but his temperature was checked before he got on the plane. >> so he went to the doctor and the doctor said "we'll give you antibiotics and send you home." two days later he had to be transferred by ambulance to this dallas hospital? how concerned r.are you that th happen? >> well, the personnel at the emergency room did not check his travel history. if they had, they would have suspected ebola instead of just a bad case of the flu. so i think we're getting -- knowledge is power. by health care providers understanding that they need to check -- with those symptoms that i need to check the travel history. carol, that will help quite a bit throughout not just dallas but wherever this may come because this is the tip of the iceberg. we can control this not only in dallas but throughout the country with knowledge and our health care providers knowing that. >> when you say this is the tip of the iceberg, what do you mean? >> what i mean is that we have an epidemic in west africa and unless we'll off west africa then there is a strong chance
that other people traveling either from west africa, to europe, to the united states cowl co could come into our country. citizens, people with green cards. so it's important that people understand that if they come down with fever, headaches, diarrhea, vomiting and they've been in west africa or they've been exposed to someone that's been in west africa they need to see a doctor. they need to go to the hospital immediately. >> lieutenant governor, thank you so much for being with me this morning. thank you so much. >> you bet. >> again, we'll be taking your questions so send them to my facebook page or send them via twitter. dr. sanjay gupta will be back in about 20 minutes to answer those questions. also at 1:00 p.m. eastern texas governor rick perry will hold a briefing on the ebola case. we'll bring you his news conference live. still to come in the newsroom, new air strikes rain down on isis targets in syria and a key nato ally may soon join the military campaign.
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turkey. australian aircraft started flying over iraq today, too, and british war jets bombed isis positions in iraq yesterday. cnn's phil black is at the border between turkey and syria and cnn military analyst general mark hertling joins us from orlando. i want to start with you, phil. tell us what the situation is like where you are. >> we're standing just to the east of kobani, the key city on the turkey syria border. we have seen isis continue to advance and bombard the city behind me. a constant, really, bombardment with shelling through the course of the day striking at the eastern outskirts of this city. we're seeing them approach from the east and the southeast. we have seen much larger strikes away from the city as well as aircraft overhead which leads us to believe we may have witnessed attempted air strikes here today and the united states has said that yes, they have struck a number of isis targets over the last 24 hours including a tank,
artillery piece and armored vehicle as well. to the west we visited the front line there as well. intense fighting but much further away from the city and isis is not making the same progress we're seeing here. it comes down to this east/southeasterly and even the southern flanks. i think they are of most concern to the turkish fighters trying so desperately to resist this isis advance. >> phil, isis also claims it has overrun an iraqi military base and stolen weapons. we have dramatic pictures of this. is isis gaining ground despite the air strikes? or is it a mixed bag? >> well, i think in this region they are still continuing to gain ground, yes. but crucially, kobani hasn't fall chn a few days ago it looked very much like it could have done. the momentum with which isis was moving from the east and southeast was really quite significant simply because they
clearly had superior firepower to the kurdish fighters that are resisting them. they had the heavy weapons and it seems from the targets being announced by the international coalition, those is what they are going for with the air strikes. it's perhaps made a difference. it hadn't stopped them entirely but crucially the city hasn't fallen just yet. >> phil, i want to bring in general hertling now and if you have questions for him feel free to jump in because you're in the region and you can ask much better questions than i can. general hertling, i'll pose the first question. are these air strikes working in your mind? >> i believe they are, carol. and i think we have to look at the entire theater of operations and what's going on with the air strikes. the strikes in syria were always designed to go against strategic targets. i think they are doing that. there may be adjustments to get effects against battlefield conditions but that's tough when you don't have the spotters on the ground. in iraq, all indicators are that there are some advances.
even though isis reportedly took over another iraqi military base that base may have been taken over because it was bypassed. but there are indicators on the eastern side of iraq that peshmerga troops are taking back cities. zumar was mentioned, there was apparently another border crossing post, rabbiyah on the border of syria that was regained last night. so i think the air power, the air strikes both the close air support of combat troops in iraq and the strategic targeting of major elements in syria are contributing much to this campaign. >> phil? >> general, the question from the population here that was in northern syria, the estimated 150,000 syrian kurdish people that have fled ahead of the isis
advance. many of the people we speak to have been asking for the coalition to get involved in this fight for over a week now. they're grateful that that is now happening but what they can't since why they're not seeing more of it. why it's waited until this point. why they're not see more of it. we know the u.s. is concerned about the intelligence on the ground and potential casualties as well. but they make the point that the territory behind me is almost empty of civilians. everyone has fled. so could you explain, perhaps to them or give an explanation why you believe we're not seeing more air strikes on the ground. >> that's a great question. i won't be able to give them a satisfactory answer but the real answer is it's because the air power can't be everywhere and kobani is a relatively small town, as you know, it's about a town of 40,000 kurds, syrians and turk manhattmen, it's a bor crossing town and it's in syria. remember the president's plan, especially for the u.s. air force, has been strategic
targeting of isis. it isn't air support for kurdish forces in syria. it's targeting of key fights in syria. we are doing support for kurdish and iraqi security forces in iraq but truthfully it's just a matter of you can't be everywhere all the time. if things shifted to kobani in terms of support, you could go to another town and someone would say, hey, we're not getting the support here, either. so it's a presession targeting of key areas for an overall campaign desire. >> general mark hurt ling and phil black, thanks to both of you. i'll be right back. ead mice? tomcat presents dead mouse theatre. hey, ulfrik! hey, agnar! what's up with you? funny you ask. i'm actually here to pillage your town. [ villagers screaming ] but we went to summer camp together. summer camp is over. ♪
the white house says president obama has confidence in secret service director julia pierson but he may be one of the few in washington who does. lawmakers slamming pierson during a testy capitol hill hearing on last month's white house security breach and this morning the secret service confirming a second incident during the president's recent trip to the cdc in atlanta just days earlier. white house correspondent michelle kosinski joins me with more. good morning. >> this was remarkable. seeing the director of the secret service there before the house oversight committee for hours just getting pummelled with these questions. but at the same time she was there, outside of this hearing details kept coming out, again, from whistle-blowers and these are details she never mentioned. the latest known incident to plague the u.s. secret service again coming from whistle-blowers happened three days before omar gonzalez jumped the white house fence. this one in atlanta at the cdc a
security guard was inappropriately taking photos of the president inside an elevator. it turned out he had a gun, in violation of secret service protocols. they're supposed to know who's armed on location and limit their access to the president. but before congress even knew about this one, the disbelief over the fence jumper. >> omar gonzalez breached at least five rings of security. >> the verbal takedown. >> this is disgraceful. >> reporter: it went on for three hours. >> don't let them get in the white house ever. >> reporter: but from secret service director julia pierson; one year on the job, many non-answers. >> it is obvious that mistakes were made. >> reporter: she called it "unacceptable" saying a thorough internal investigation would uncover the facts and make sure it never happens again. she said that evening after gonzalez made it on to white house grounds the officers stationed inside the front doors began locking them when gonzalez burst through knocking the
officer backward. that officer tried to stop him but couldn't. both of them struggling their way down the hallway into the east room, back out into the hall. >> another officer rendered aid and he was placed on the ground just outside of the green room. >> reporter: which she never mention bud emerged while she was on the stand was that it was too often duty secret service agents down stairs who heard the scuffle, ran up and finally helped stop gonzalez. the firestorm of security gaps providing endless punchlines on late night. >> the intruder got to the east room which got worse when the secret service said, whoa, there's an east room? >> the wedding of george clooney had better security than the white house. are you aware of that? >> reporter: but the implication of these issues deadly serious. >> i wish to god you protected the white house like you're protecting your reputation here today. i wish you spent that time and that effort to protect the american president and his
fami family. >> it came out over the last five years 16 people have jumped over the fence. all of them have been stopped except this one. why is that? that's an answer nobody seems to have. they're looking into did it have anything to do with staffing or training or budgets? and that will be handled not only in the internal investigation but congress has just launched an external review of the secret service as well, carol. >> reporter: michelle kosinski reporting live from for us this morning. thank you. still to come in the newsroom, we are taking your questions on ebola. tweet them to us at cnn using the hashtag "ebola q-and-a." after the break, dr. sanjay gupta joins with us some answers.
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to the word partnership. banking. loyalty. analytics. synchrony financial. enagage with us. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. the nation's health officials have a simple message to americans who feel a bit jittery now that the first ebola case has been diagnosed on u.s. soil. they say do not panic, the risk of infection is very low. so, knowing knowledge is power, we want to answer some of your questions. cnn's sanjay gupta is here to field some of those questions that we were tweeted to us at cnn using the hashtag "ebola q and a." sanjay, this from alan "there have been rumors going around
that ebola has mutated to an air born disease. what's true and what's not?" >> well, the viruss do constantly clconstant constantly change a bit and they've been monitoring this with ebola just like they do with the flu every year, that's why we get a different flu shot, but there's no evidence ebola has mutated to an airborne disease. we should dispel with that rumor. this is not true. this is not a virus that spreads through the air and it's an important point to make and part of the reason this is not considered a highly contagious disease. there's a lot of fear around it, obviously, but being air born is not one of them. >> this question is from chelsea. she tweeted "why isn't the ebola containment working?" >> it's an interesting question. so when you talk about west africa, i assume her question is more about west africa, why the numbers just continue to increase. part of the problem is that, you know, if someone gets sick, during the time they're sick but not yet in the hospital they can come in contact with lots of
people. they need to go back and trace those people. it's called contact tracing. if you miss the contacts and one of those people get sick then you can start to have a whole other group of people who could potentially become infected. i think at the beginning of what was happening in west africa in march, some of that contact tracing just wasn't very good. there were a lot of people who got missed and as a result you had three separate countries that had sort of simultaneous outbreaks. that's what happened. if you implement good practices with regard to containment, find those contacts, it should work. >> here's another question from vicki. "with the upcoming flu season, how much do symptoms of ebola mimic different strands of the flu?" >> they can be quite similar and that can be confusing. keep in mind, people come back with fevers and cough, it can be all sorts of different things. here's the big critical difference with ebola. a travel history and a history
of any particular risks is absolutely crucial. this particular gentleman that we're talking about in dallas, for example, we're now learning, as you well know, carol, that the patient went into the hospital on the 26th the first time, went to the hospital himself or herself but was not asked about travel history. that's a miss. so for two extra days, then, the person is out there possibly having contact with more people. that's a real concern. ebola will be different from flu as part of the history. if someone has these symptoms and just returned from liberia, sierra leone. >> what if an infected person sneezes into his hand then grabs a handrail then five minutes later someone else grabs the same handrail and rubs his eyes. is ebola likely to be transmitted that way? >> it is possible to be transmitted that way but not likely to be transmitted that way. a couple reasons.
first of all, ebola can live outside the body on surfaces. that's part of this question. it can do that if it's exposed to sunlight, if the handrails are cleaned or something like that, that would deactivate the virus. be so the virus can live there for several days. so while ebola would live in bodily fluids, it's less likely to be transmitted through coughs or sneezes or the situation daniel described. much more likely to be transmitted through blood. keep in mind, at the time someone is excreting the virus from their bodies, they're really sick. they're typically not up on a subway, up and about coming into contact with lots of people. that makes it less likely as well, carol. >> this is a bit of frustration many of our viewers have expressed. this is from chris. "i don't understand why there wasn't an automatic quarantine for anyone traveling back from afterwh africa who's sick." >> look, if the person had been
sick in africa then presumably they wouldn't have been allowed to get on the plane. they take their temperature, they go through a series of health questionnaires. i went through this when i was in guinea. so if they were sick i would take it a step further back. not that they're quarantined in the united states, they shouldn't have been able to get on a plane in west africa. this particular gentleman wasn't stick to so there was nothing to suggest in the screening that the person had ebola. that's the reality of the situation. you can't possibly blood fest everybody who's flying in and out of west africa. that could possibly tell you the answer but in this case the person didn't have any symptoms and i think that's why they weren't stopped from getting on that plane. >> actually, anna navarros, our political analyst, e-mailed me a question. she says "i flew into nicaragua last week and they had health personnel at the airport taking arriving passengers' body temperatures. you stepped on a special matt and they scanned you with a wand." why even bother to do that?
>> well, if you're sick, then they're not going to let you get on the plane, that is why. if you are sick and if you have a fever in that case, i assume that's what anna was describing as well, then you're considered high risk. you're coming from a country where ebola is present. if you have a fever it's going to at least raise another series of questions. have you come in contact with anybody with ebola. did you attend funerals? whatever it is. they have to drill down on exactly how high the risk is. but to your point, and i think the point anna is making as well, is that the screening can pick up people who are sick and possibly prevent them from getting on a plane. but, anna got wanded, got her temperature taken and everything was normal, she could get on the plan and fly. it doesn't mean that ebola isn't potentially in the body of somebody coming out of west africa, it just means they haven't gotten sick yet and we don't know how to pick that up. fever is really the only thing they can look for in an airport. >> dr. sanjay gupta, many thanks
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against walmart after the shopping giant argued it's his fault he was seriously injured last summer during a fatal car crash. walmart blames morgan for allegedly not wearing a seat belt. that wreck killed morgan's friend, fellow comedian james mcnair, and left morgan with serious injuries. in response to court documents filed on monday, walmart says "all or a portion of the injuries could have been diminished or minimized by the exercise of reasonable conduct in using the available seat belt." of course, that didn't go over so well with morgan who says "i can't believe walmart is blaming me for an accident they caused. my friends and i were doing nothing wrong." the driver of that walmart truck has already pleaded not guilty to vehicular homicide, so let's bring in hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. really? this is as good as walmart's got? >> it's very interesting. and the complaints, look at that complaint you showed me earlier, right? good stuff. here's the point. the point is this is where good lawyering meets bad publicity and bad public relations.
walmart is a giant. it's huge. it's a major multibillion dollar entity, fortune 500 number one. but the lawyers, of course, in response to this, carol, they have to do that. why? they want to limit their liability. now, it may make good sense for them to settle this because, of course, us hearing and talking about this, the public is none too pleased that they're shunning responsibility. but at the end of the day, if you contribute to your injury your recovery is lessened by 2 amount of your contribution. >> so i will play along. because it is illegal in the state of new jersey not to wear a seat belt. so if tracy morgan did not wear a seat belt, he was breaking the law, i guess, right? >> not really. look, the reality is that certainly we should have seat beltings on in the state of new jersey. there's a statute that says put that seat belt on but then it comes down to causation. how much did that play a role when off truck weighing on thes and tons barrelling at 65 miles an hour and a driver, according to them, that's sleep deprived
and should have known better and a truck that had a safety mechanism that should have clicked on to prevent this particular accident. at the end of the day i mow what they're trying to do. if it minimizes it at all it will be very minimal in terms of a seat belt violation. >> does it show you walmart may be grasping at strawing here? >> you think? i mean, listen, i think the bulk of the liability is on them and he could be dead. you remember the early reports, right? the early reports it was a lot of concern. >> and he could have lasting physical injuries, including brain injuries. >> of course there is one person that is dead as a result of them this, many of them were injured so even if this does minimize the liability because of the contributory negligence aspect, it would be very minimal and what i think this is headed for, settlement. bad publicity, bad public relations. what the driver did, knew, or should have known. sleep deprivation, lack of training, lack of supervision, traveling all that distance to actually go to work if you look at the complaint. they said he traveled 700 miles
to commute to his job from georgia to delaware to get the truck. so they have some issues and drama. i say it settles for a very large number. you don't want this going to court. >> we have you on the record. joey jackson thank you so much. >> if it were criminal i'd say guilty but since it's civil i'll say liable. >> joey jackson, thanks so much. still to come, chris christie says there's more to him than just a tough-talking governor you see on tv. >> that's the stuff that gets the most publicity because it's the most entertaining on television and i get that. but i've always said i have that more than one club in the bag. i don't just have a driver. i have the ability to be able to do a lot of different things which i think leaders need to do. >> what the potential presidential candidate is saying about his future in politics and his latest efforts to remove the stigma of addiction next. she's still the one for you.
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new jersey governor chris christie never one to mince words. speaking out on the stigma of addiction, his own personal whether or not a presidential run is in the cards for him in the near future. dana bash has more for you. >> reporter: here's something you don't see everyday. a republican governor at an inner city church trying to destigmatize drug addiction. >> let's acknowledge it's a disease and treat their illness. we would never stigmatize someone who has cancer. yet we feel free to stigmatize someone who may have tried, made one bad decision and because of their makeup they've become an addict. >> reporter: for chris christie, sitting'm pathetically with former drug addicts could be an antidote for a presidential run. especially after the bridge scandal. the image of you is the tough
talking finger-wagging new jersey governor and this is a different chris christie. is that intentional? >> it's always been there. i mean, you know, the fact is that that's the stuff that gets the most publicity because it's the most entertaining on television. and i get that. as a leader, you need to be compassionate and listen and i have that ability to do that, too. >> reporter: is that what you think this is? showing you are a compassionate conservative? >> listen, the term's already been used by a previous president. >> reporter: how would you define it? >> listen, i think this is me being myself. i care about people and i don't think -- no matter what stage or life they're at, no matter what circumstance they're confronted with. and, by the way, when it's required to get many somebody's face and tell them off, i'll do that, too. >> reporter: let's not make that right now. >> no, definitely not. >> reporter: christie held this forum on drug addiction where whisny houston, an added a detective who lost her battle, grew up. >> the reason we're here is because of whitney houston.
i came here for the funeral and that's where i met pastor joe carter. >> reporter: when houston died, christie lowered the state's flags and got blowback for honoring an addict, precisely the kind of stigma he's trying to change. >> we're going to define her life not by her triumphs but from her weakens. >> reporter: this is personal for christie. his close friend from law school died earlier this year of an overdose. >> i can't tell you how many times all of us, friends of his, dear friends intervened and got him to treatment and dealt with his wife and his children and tried to help him. we couldn't. >> reporter: christie wants to put non-violent drug offenders in treatment, not jail, and make help accessible and acceptable. he says the war on drugs failed. that's a republican war. it was richard nixon, nancy reagan famously said "just say no to drugs." do you risk angering the core traditional republicans in your
party? those who you might need to vote for you in 2016? >> i'll take whatever risk i need to take if i'm telling the truth if i see it. it was well intentioned. the war on drugs was well intentioned, it just has not worked. so i'm not worried about turning anybody off. i want to tell people the truth. >> reporter: and what about christie's own very different but very personal battle with his weight? what about the disease of obesity in this country? is that something you think about in the back of your mind that you might want to talk about as a public policy platform as well? >> sure. i think at some point when appropriate i would. because i know that struggle personally and i know how difficult it is. but i want to be careful because i don't want to be proselytize. i know how difficult it is to deal with this problem and i know it's made more difficult at times when people feel who are struggling with it that they're being lectured to and i've gone through that. >> reporter: do you think it's an addiction? >> you know, i don't know. i don't know the answer to that question. but what i will tell you is that i know it's a struggle and i've
had that struggle and continue to have that struggle. but i'm doing well now. and i want to continue to do well. >> reporter: getting healthy is about his family, he says, not running for president, though that is on his mind. >> i'll make a decision after the first of the year when i'll announce. i don't know. >> reporter: you haven't decided? you really haven't decided? >> i really haven't decided. >> reporter: dana bash joins me live. seriously? he hasn't decided? did you see the look on my face? >> yes, i could read your face, it was like an open book. >> he said "no, i'm not kidding, i haven't decided." he's traveling like gang busters. he's head of the republican governor's association so he's raising money campaigning with candidates for governor and being governor of new jersey and he insists he'll buckle down and make his formal decision after that. >> is it possible he could win the primary? >> anything's possible. but it won't be easy for him and what's fascinating is that it's not just things like this
talking about destigmatizing drug addiction which he actually says should be a conservative issue for self-described pro-life conservatives because every life should have meaning, including people who are addicts but his issues also fiscal. his state has been downgraded in terms of its credit eight times since he's been in office which he blames his predecessor for and there are conservative groups going after him for appointing liberal judges so there are a lot of things under the surface that could hurt him. >> the last quick question about his weight loss. how did he look? >> he looks great. i have to say. i've met him many times but i interviewed him at the fluoor o the convention in 2012. the difference between then and now is remarkable. he's lost a lot of weight. won't talk numbers, but it's a lot. >> dana bash, thank you so much. it' i'll be right back.
today begins breast cancer awareness month and one ad campaign has taken an unusual tack to spread the message. it's -- well, i'll let jeanne moos explain. >> reporter: smile, you're on candid bra camera? yeah, that's a camera, not a button, out to catch people checking out her cleavage. whether ordering coffee -- >> can i get that, please? >> reporter: or just walking on the street and there's a little bra-shaped counter underneath to track every sneak peek. and it's all to raise awareness not of oglers but of breast cancer. because, after all, the subtle glances and the fixated stares, men and even women looking with amusement or disapprove. after all that comes the tag line "your breasts are checked out everyday." so when was the last time you checked your own. the 38th look is aware of the
hidden camera, eyeing herself, eloise oliver is an actress. >> it was an interesting experience walking around with a hidden camera. but after a while i think i mastered angling slightly my bobs towards people. >> reporter: the public service announcement was created by an ad agency for nestle fitness serial. >> there's an on/off switch that goes in the inside pocket. >> some think it should have stayed off. for one thing, they say, her cleavage exposure was too blatant. this is just stupid, of course they're going to look, this is a pink bra hanging out, what do you expect? this is entrapment, tweeted someone else. what's the next installment? a general's crouch cam? we think he meant crotch. and there was one of those a couple years back, though we found the furtive glances unconvincing. there was also a butt cam but neither butt nor crotch cam were dedicated to a good cause as the
bra cam folks say theirs is. >> eyes up. come on, eyes up. >> reporter: we should note it wasn't just men and women they caught staring. it was a disapproving toddler and a dog. so the dog acting like men or are the men acting like dogs? whatever you do, don't try to stop the camera by pressing buttons. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> not into that one, sorry, jeanne moos. thanks for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@this hour with berman and michaela" starts now. >> in the unlikely event that someone with ebola does reach our shores we've taken new measures so that we're prepared here at home. >> well, a case has reached our shores. ebola has been diagnosed in the u.s.. are we prepared? what you need to know about this deadly virus. >> then, a new secret service blunder. how an armed man road the elev