and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to "new day," it's thursday, october 2nd, 6:00 in the east, we have new information about the first ebola diagnosis in the u.s. a dallas hospital failed to isolate or even admit the liberian man, even though -- here's the key -- he told them he had recently been in liberia, west africa, where the ebola outbreak is the patient now identified as this man -- thomas eric duncan. the hospital says his symptoms did not quote warrant admission when he first showed up. but dr. anthony fauci of the institute of infectious diseases tells cnn the hospital clearly dropped the ball. >> the hunt is on to find the 20 or so people that duncan reportedly came into contact with. some of them, children. now concerns stretch to washington as we learn that duncan may have had a stopover at dulles international airport en route to texas. chief medical correspondent, dr.
sanjay gupta has the latest from cdc headquarters in atlanta. it's interesting to see how the map is now spreading, sanjay. >> no question and it's a real medical investigation, they have to find these people. that's absolutely the key. we hoped ebola wouldn't come to the united states, but in some ways it wasn't unexpected. now the focus is on that dallas hospital. in this hospital, thomas eric duncan, the first patient diagnosed with ebola in the united states, is fighting for his life. >> we just hoping and praying that eric survives the night. >> in an exclusive interview with cnn affiliate wccb in charlotte, north carolina, duncan's nephew speaks out for the first time. >> i want to let you know that we still here, we're not sleeping, just like you, feeling the pain, we're feeling the pain here, too. >> doctors say he's in serious, but stable condition. duncan is a liberian national and he traveled for the first time ever to the united states to visit his family in dallas. "the new york times" reports that he may have become infected
on september 15th, when he helped care ray pregnant woman who died from ebola to the hospital. september 19th, duncan flies from liberia to brussels, belgium. showing no obvious ebola symptoms or fever during airport screening. from there, he boards united airlines flight 951, en route to washington-dulles, connecting to another united flight, 822 to dallas. september 20th, he arrives in dallas and heads to this apartment complex to visit family. four days later he develops symptoms. he walks into this dallas emergency room on the 25th of september, vomiting with a fever. he tells the nurse he had traveled from africa, but is sent home with antibiotics and does not undergo an ebola screening. september 28th, his condition worsen, he returns to the hospital by ambulance. and is placed in isolation. the next day, a family friend calls the cdc complaining that
the hospital isn't moving quickly enough with his test results. by tuesday, the 30th, the lab results confirm, the patient has ebola. the hospital admits it was a failure to communicate among hospital staff that led to the patient's release after his initial visit. >> he volunteered that he had traveled from africa in response to the nurse operating the checklist and asking that question. regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full team. >> investigators are now monitoring up to 20 people who are his contacts for symptoms. from paramedic who is transpo transported him to doctors and nurses in the hospital, to his family. girlfriend, and her five school-age children. but so far, none has been confirmed to be infected. >> i want to talk about those plane flights for a second as well, three of them, from liberia and to brussels, to
dulles and to dallas. they talk about the fact that when he got on the plane, he had no symptoms, was not sick at all. he passed the checks, at that point, no fever. when he got off the plane, he said he wasn't sick, either. what the cdc director told me yesterday, is there's a zero, zero percent chance of transmission. that any of the other passengers on the plane would have become sick as a result. so strong words, he was not equivocal about this at all. zero% chance of transmission. they're not even going to track those airplane passengers. go well, that i'm sure is concerning to anybody that was on a plane with him. yet hopefully that will provide a measure of comfort. given all of this, that we're seeing this case and how it was hanseled. there are concerns this morning about the potential for a case in hawaii. what have you learned about this? well, this is one of those situations where you seem to have some of the criteria that might start to raise some concerns. a patient who has fever, may have recently traveled in that
part of the world. but that sort of you know with these things, they are medical investigations, you start collecting more and more data. those are two important pieces of data. they're not, it's not all the data. you want to know, did this person have any contact with patients with ebola. had he attended funerals? there are a list of questions. at some point the evidence would be enough to say let's go ahead and test this person. it doesn't mean that everyone that comes back with a fever from west africa should get tested. i've been there, cholera, typhoid, malaria, you can name a lot of things that would cause fever much more likely than ebola. but still obviously they want to investigate that. >> and they're going to do some testing today. but this case and how it was handled in dallas, points of failure were picked up, balls dropped, mistakes made. so it brings about the question, sanjay, about the preparedness of our hospitals, our clinics, our medical staff all across america. is there a sense that new guidelines are going to be sent out imminently?
>> i think that they probably wish they could have done that over in terms of how they handled that this dallas. because that wasn't some -- the guidelines were there. these guidelines that i was just rattling off to you about the hawaii patient, they are already out there, they just weren't implemented. this seems to be more of a failure of execution. they still call them interim guidelines. to your question -- they may change. but what we really need to make sure, what i think you're hearing from the cdc as well is that the simple things cannot be missed. this is low-hanging fruit. simply doing what we should have done, that patient should have been tested. the cdc director said so, the nih infectious diseases doctor says so. what you andvying a conversation, people in the emergency rooms and public health departments, it will be an added reminder. >> we'll keep having this conversation. this travel history is so very vital to get from the patient.
sanjay, we know you have a busy day ahead of you, we'll be talking to you throughout the course of the day. thanks so much. chris? the big issue becomes our preparedness for a situation like this let's get perspective on this and bring in republican congressman jack kingston. who chairs the subcommittee that oversees the cdc and the government's response to ebola. the proposition is simple -- is the u.s. set up for what to do if something like ebola comes here? are we ready? >> we think we are, weaver taking this very seriously. we're concerned about the numbers as you know, about 6500 people worldwide. are infected, some of the projections are is that that number could go to over a million by january. so we have worked very closely with the cdc, with the nih, with the biorda. and with the medical authority and the department of defense,
to make sure that whatever they're asking for, we in congress are giving to them. just recently, $30 million to the cdc, $58 million to barda to try to develop vaccines. the scientists are driving this right now, not the politicians, we're following their guidance, we want to make sure that they have the resources. but also, i think what you're underscoring here is the protocols in so many cases are in place, but they weren't followed, clearly at this hospital. we want to make sure everybody knows about the protocols. what to do if somebody is exhibiting symptoms and how to deal with it. >> the guy told them he was from liberia. you know that he had just traveled there. i mean what else do you need? you don't need a protocol right now if you're paying any attention to the world around you. if somebody just says, i just came back from liberia, i don't feel so good, shouldn't that be the first thing that pops up in your head? >> absolutely. i don't understand why the nurse didn't notify other people in
the hospital. why the hospital didn't react. you can be infected and not show symptoms for as long as 21 days, during that time you're okay. once you're showing the symptoms and particularly if you say i came from africa, that's no question what to do next. >> that takes you to the second little of what checks confidence in the u.s. right now. mixed messages -- either ebola is difficult to transmit because it's not airborne and you need exposure to fluids. or it is easy to transmit. and what we're seeing in the response by the government sends a mixed message. we're being told, to not worry because it's hard to transmit and then you're searching and quarantining for anybody near the sick guy. you don't understand why that sends a mixed message? >> you know, i do. one of the difficulties about this is again you can be infected, but you're not contagious so to speak until the symptoms are out there. and even then, it is the contact
with bodily fluids that would make the difference. you know, in this case, we felt the first information was that this man, mr. duncan, was on his own. now we're talking about the five children and the people he has contacted. since the symptoms came out. that would be the fault of the hospital for not immediately following protocol, putting him in isolation. rushing his test results through so that they could know if they're dealing with it or not. i think that's where, the battle right now is to make sure everybody is on the same page. as you pointed out, if you're coming in from liberia, that alone should make people concerned. >> you don't have to be a health expert to know that. senator rand paul. granted people are paying extra attention to him right now. he did voice a common sentiment, which believes that maybe officials are downplaying the ebola threat. and maybe we should be canceling flights from these places, where the outbreak is in west africa. what do you think of that? >> well, i think he might be
moving a little too quickly. i've worked vr closely with the cdc on this and dr. friedan. and we do not believe that is the case. if you remember a couple of years ago when we had the sars outbreak, that was an airborne illness, it was just a different matter and we're not facing that right now. so i do not agree with that. but i think in terms of exhibiting caution, making sure we're doing everything we can, we need to be. >> the cdc said on september 23rd in a worst-case scenario, cases could reach 1.4 million in four months in the u.s. given that people here, it creates panic, no matter how the media qualifies it. what do you want the american people to know? well we want them to know that we're doing everything we can to make sure that this does stay in fact in africa. we also want people to know that the chance of getting infected, is very low, to zero, unless you're in contact with somebody
who is infected and their bodily fluids. and i think people need to know about that. also we have completely different sanitation and protocols here. for an example, one of the problems they have in africa in many cases, they don't use traditional funeral homes. don't have undertakers, it's the family themselves who are preparing the body after the death from ebola. and that's where they've been getting infected. we don't have anything like that in the united states of america. that's just one example. congressman, thank you for joining us, please keep the pressure on the companies and symptoms helping come up with antidotes, scenes for this as well. the best long-term cure for the situation. thank you very much for joining us on "new day," we'll be in touch about this. we'll turn to a big story we've been following, secret service director julia pierson is out of a a job, resigning after intense pressure for her to step down. any support she had seemingly evaporated when the white house realized she failed to inform them about an embarrassing
security lapse just last month in atlanta. the white house only learning of it minutes before the media reported it. let's get more from white house correspondent michelle kosinski, questions remain, even though she's out, will the substance of changes that are needed within the agency, will they happen? >> this bears so many echoes of the va scandal, the whistle blowers, the bipartisan outrage, the entrenched culture within a government agency and now the resignation. julia pierson was appointed by the president to turn the secret service's reputation around. and here we are after a year and a half and it needs another go. >> while white house fence jumper omar gonzales was pleading not guilty to federal crimes for storming the mansion, armed with a knife, it's not clear if he's even aware of the fallout he leaves behind. >> stop, please. >> julia pierson, now resigned as director of the secret service.
her terse and answerless answers to an angry house committee only rild congress even more. >> is the president of the united states informed? >> i would assume that the president of the united states is informed. i don't know. >> details came from whistle blowers that she didn't even mention and now we know one of those newly revealed incidents, a security guard with a gun in an elevator with the president, two weeks ago, in atlanta, a situation that hadn't been cleared by secret service and violated protocol, the white house wasn't even told about. until just before it became unpleasantly public yesterday. >> director pierson offered her resignation because she believed it was in the best interests of the agency to which she has dedicated her career. >> pierson called it painful to leave. >> i julie pierson -- >> after three decades with the secret service, now the interim director, joseph clancy is, a long-timer who headed the presidential protection division and retired three years ago. it's the culture within the agency that seems stubborn to change. one former secret service agent
told us things like the front door alarm being turned off because white house ushers didn't like the occasional loud noise points to what he calls a dangerous acquiescence at the upper levels of the service, a desire to please the boss. he said few supervisors were willing to insist on things being tougher when they should have been and it infuriated officers below them. leaving some to turn whistleblowers, finding willing ears in congress. >> agents in this agency said they were hesitant to raise security concerns with their supervisors. ladies and gentlemen, something is awfully wrong with that picture. >> we heard pierson repeatedly detail the prong she felt she made at the agency, videoing to stay on and lead and fix the problems. suddenly she resigned as more details kept coming out. among those problems that her successor will face are staffing issues and low morale. michaela? >> certainly big challenges he's
facing and there will be extra scrutiny on him while he's doing that michelle kosinski, thanks so much. i want to turn to the fight against isis. there's big news this morning, turkey, with one of the biggest armies in the world says it will join the u.s.-led coalition. turkish lawmakers are expected to vote today on deploying troops to iraq and syria. now meanwhile, air strikes against isis in syria are intensifying near the border with turkey. where isis is still advancing, driving hundreds of thousands of refugees over the border. cnn's arwa damon is there. arwa? we've been seeing some of the artillery that isis is firing, landing on the hillside right behind us. targeting those kurdish fighting positions, this resolution that you are speaking about, this is actually a combination of two resolutions. one that was created back in 2007, authorizing the turkish military to enter into northern iraq to go after the pkk, a
kurdish separatist group that the turks considering to a terrorist organization. the other resolution passed in 2012 this time with regards to syria, authorizing the military to go after terror targets just across the border. this resolution being put forward today combines those two. but also, gives the government sweeping authorities when it comes to a wide range of military options. for example, should that buffer zone be established that turkey has been calling for? turkey could become a base for any foreign forces that would be brought in to enforce that. or if turkey does in fact decide to join the coalition, which it has the authority to do so under this resolution, then we could possibly be seeing turkey also being used as a base for those ongoing air strikes. however, even if the resolution does pass, that is not necessarily mean that we're going to see immediate turkish action or boots on the ground. chris? >> but you said that last phrase, arwa, that's the key here, boots on the ground.
if turkey with the huge and formidable force does enter on the ground there, that could be the best basis for the united states to maintain its position that it won't put its own troops in. so it's a big development. arwa, thanks for being there and please be safe. there's a lot of other news so let's get to john bermen. >> iraqi police say three mortar rounds landed inside the heavily fortified green zone in central baghdad. there's been no word on possible casualties. the green zone is home to iraq's government offices as well as the u.s. and british embassies. overnight at least 14 people were killed and dozens more wounded in a car bombing on a busy street in iraq's capital. so far, no claim of responsibility. in hong kong, tensions are econgratulating as protesters demand the city's chief executive step down immediately. it's a live look at the city right now. activators are giving the chief executive to the end of the day to give up his leadership position or they say they'll
seize government buildings. overnight protesters staged a sit-in outside the government office gates. they say the next step could be occupying government build fgs their demands for full democratic rights are not met. florida man now faces life in prison after being convicted of murder for killing a teen in an suv. jurors decided that michael dunn was the aggressor when he shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis, they rejected dunn's argument that he thought davis had a weapon, the shooting came after an argument over loud music. another jury convicted dunn on four counts, but was hung on the murder charge. authorities in charlottesville, virginia, will be using drones to search for uva student hannah graham who has been missing for three weeks. we have now learned that jesse matthew, who is being held in graham's disappearance, was connected to a sexual assault investigation while he was a student at christopher newport news university in 2003. matthew has a court hearing today on a reckless driving
charge stemming from that graham investigation. one security lapse after another, that's the problem with the secret service. and how do we find out about it? why did it take so long. this is the situation that forced secret service director, julia pierson to resign. was it just something she didn't tell her boss that got her pushed out? and is the president any safer today as a result of a resignation? surprising answers on that. also, we'll have more on ebola. now that we know that there is a case in dallas, eyes are turning now to hawaii where there's the potential for a case there. we're going to take a look at all the latest developments coming up.
good to have you back on "new day." julia pierson is out as secret service director in the wake of several embarrassing security lapses and unimpressive testimony before congress. an interim director has been named. where does the agency go from here? can those issues be remedied? are more incidents bound to surface in the days ahead? joining me now "washington examiner," white house correspondent julia crabtree,
she's the reporter that broke story of the armed contractor who rode the elevator with the president during his recent visit to the cdc. tremendous reporting young lady. great to have you with us this morning. reaction to director pierson resigning. right thing to do? were you surprised she wasn't able to survive the scandal? >> i was a little surprised it came so quickly. but i think it is the right step. there are the president through josh earnest, his press secretary yesterday, said he had lost confidence in her ability to lead the agency. jay johnson, also feeling the same way. she supposedly did this on her own, submitted her resignation, but yes, it's a step towards accountability. and it's something that the agency desperately needed at this point. >> your reporting certainly seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back for this director of a troubled agency. is there any sense that you get
that she might not have been told about that elevator incident at the cdc, where an armed contractor was in the elevator with the president of the united states. or would standard protocol be for all of those breaches, lapses in security, have been reported to her? >> well i was told there is a culture of cover-up at the agency, unfortunately, that's a direct quote from a source and that this is a systematic failure of following protocols in this particular elevator case. there was, i am told, that there were not reports that were filed on time, there's a five-day report and a 14-day report, five-day reports are for more serious reports and suspicious behavior they encounter on the day-to-day job. and 14-day reports are for more minor threats. neither type of report was filed. the secret service it told me
took a day and a half to get back to me on that very topic. they said they launched an investigation, they would not tell me when they launched it, how many people they talked to. any details of the investigation. so i am, i think more questions need to be asked about that issue. why aren't these protocols being followed. with this incident and with the white house intruder incident as well. it's just to me, a culture of cover-up at an agency this important shouldn't be tolerated. >> when protocol is not followed, there's a couple of things that can happen. sometimes it can be as you mentioned, paperwork doesn't get done. et cetera. you say this smelled like cover-up to you. why? >> i'm telling you that a source tells me that. multiple sources actually. and to me, it's -- they are describe that the agency operates like a family and they protect one another when something goes wrong. especially agents that are in top-level management are looking
out for other agents they like. they're friends with, and sometimes as you know, families are good, they're supportive, it's a great way to get backing. but also, families can be dysfunctional. and if this is true, if there's a real culture of cover-up here then it's a problem. i'm also told that she, they have my story for today that i'm working on is that they have had instituted a policy of not documenting when agents have lied. or given mistruths or inaccurate information when their behavior is being investigated for suspension. that is because they wanted agents to be able to testify in court against assailants and possible threats. this is an issue related to the giglio versus united states supreme court case in 1972. >> i want it go back to your family point. so if the family is a mess, changing the matriarch or the
patriarch, how much is that going to change the culture of the agency? they've got a new interim director brought in i understand he's a lifer, he's been in the secret service for a long time. he was in the presidential protection division it sounds like he's got some experience on the job specifically relating to the president's safety. one wonders how you can change the inside culture if you're from the very agency that's troubled. >> that's right. i think they probably need some continuity at this point. but julia pierson, as you know, was the chief of staff to mark sullivan since 2008. so the critics of the agency have told me, that they believe that that wasn't a real change in leadership at the top. that she was the chief of staff when the 2011 shooting happened. with the, when the white house upper residence was sprayed with bullets. so yeah, i think that there's
talk now, even josh earnest in the white house briefing, talking about the possibility of appointing an outside person for the first time in the agency's history since 1932, that an outside person who has not risen in the ranks would be the head of the agency. >> susan crabtree, white house correspondent for the "washington examiner" again breaking this story about the elevator incident at the cdc, president's security, certainly breached there. thanks so much for joining us to talk about your reporting. we'll likely be talking to you again, okay? thank you search. criticism is building over how the first ebola diagnosis in the united states was handled. now the federal government insists it has everything under control. but should we be worried? we're going to take a closer look with our panel of experts right after this.
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so by now you know about this one case of ebola that's been diagnosed in the u.s. how do we keep it only one case? now the fear is palpable, because the cdc has projected that cases could rise to over 1.4 million. worldwide. i said 1.4 million in the united states. but it's worldwide. if it's spreading that quickly in other parts of the world, what could happen here?
and how do we make sure it doesn't happen, especially as we have concerns ha the way the patient was handled wasn't the best way it could have been handled. are we prepared? let's get answers to what are troubling questions. we have dr. alexander van tullican a senior fellow at fordham university. with a masters in public health and juliet khayyam, and dr. sanjay gupta back with us, chief medical correspondent. you guys intros are a mouthful, you're very qualified. i expect perfect answers. doctor, i'll start with you, 1.4 million cases, the projection abroad, not here at home. the question is, because it's going on somewhere else, how real is the fear that it should or could happen here? >> i think there's almost no question this will happen again. it is basically impossible to stop people, you have ebola, getting on planes and coming to the u.s., it's unlikely, so it doesn't happen very often. lots of cases in africa, one
case here. but it's very likely to happen again. so we have to be prepared to react here and we have to be working to contain this in west africa. the only way of stopping it happening is containing it in west africa. >> so doing the right thing abroad isn't just being altruistic. it's self-serving because that's the best way to prevent the spread in the u.s. there's so many good reasons to do that. we need a strong containment system and if we want to stop it coming to the u.s. that's where we need to concentrate our efforts. >> the main source of confusion, dr. sanjay is either this is easy to get, that's why they're running around trying to find anybody who may have been on the plane or ever got an email from him, it seems. or it's not easily transmitted, and you don't have to worry. it does seem like a mixed message. set us straight. >> well, they're not looking for the people on the planes, because they don't think that they're at risk.
i know that's been a concern and a lot of discussion about that yesterday. but because the gentleman, mr. duncan was not sick when he was on the plane, he was screened before he got on the plane, apparently was still healthy when he got off the plane, they don't think any of the passengers on the plane are at risk at any of the airports he passed through, that's not a concern from a scientific perspective. and obviously it's more direct contact. people he may have had a direct contact with, living in the same household with. those are the people they're going to monitor for now. i will tell you statistically. if you're playing the odds. even those people have a very low chance of actually getting sick from ebola. but you do monitor them, because of the nature of the contact. once somebody is sick, it can spread. when they say this doesn't spread easily, it's not one of those things where you can carry it in your body, not be sick at all and shaking hands and spreading it. that doesn't happen with ebola, but it does spread when somebody becomes ill. >> when you hear about the ambulance being cotton-balled
and them looking for the family, that's about close proximity and heavy contact, because that's how ebola is transmitted. thank you very much, sanjay, for that. the next point becomes, juliet, we see what happens when this guy goes to texas hospital, and the hospital gets it wrong. he said he was in liberia, you said he was feeling the way you might feel if you have ebola, he wasn't tested. that hits the confidence on whether or not we're set up with the protocols in place that we keep being told that the government has, what's your level of confidence? you worked on this specifically dealing with the outbreaks of virus. >> well, the good news about the texas case is that it actually will be a wake-up call that it is here. and people should view the homeland security response as being sort of in partnership with the public health response, we're not just sitting around waiting for patients. now what's happening is of course, surveillance, it is surge capacity at state hospitals, that includes communication if someone comes in sick who has been to africa.
it includes you know, a variety of mechanisms at the border and securing our border. and then finally, social distancing, which is what you're seeing with this patient. anyone who may have been in close proximity with him is now being isolated. there's a number of different tactics being used. it's not ideal what happened in texas, but surely now this is a wake-up call that any hospital across the country that sees those kinds of conditions, with that travel pattern, we now have notification protocols, because we've got, we've got to identify these people quickly so that it does not spread. even though it is difficult to spread. >> proof of juliette's confidence that this is a wake-up call that will be heeded? what we're seeing in hawaii, sanjay. they don't even know if the guy has ebola yet. they haven't tested him as of wednesday, but they are treating it as though it could be that way. good sign? >> yeah. i think so and that's the way it was supposed to work and that's what the folks here behind me at the cdc have been sort of putting out there for months
regarding guidelines. it's interesting, this patient in hawaii that you're talking about, so the scenario seems to be, patient has symptoms, likely fever, and had recent travel to west africa. but even with that situation, that obviously raises concerns and flags, but it certainly doesn't mean he automatically has ebola. he or she. and it certainly doesn't mean he should even be tested. look, there are a thousand thinks that can cause a fever when you're returning back from west africa. most of them are not going to be ebola. it's one of those things, you still got to get additional pieces of information. did you have contact with someone with ebola, did you attend a funeral, were you living in a household with someone from ebola? it's a medical investigation, chris. but at the end of it, you make a conclusion -- yeah, i'm suspicious enough, let's test him. or i'm not, despite that he's from west africa and has a fever, i'm not that suspicious. >> when you contrast it with ha happened in texas, it seems to be the more appropriate course
of action. good news in terms of preparedness, obviously we hope the patient doesn't have ebola. which takes us to the -- how are we best equipped to hand it will going forward? that comes down to a vaccine, doc, where are we with getting a vaccine. i just got a flu vaccine. why can't we have one for ebola? how quickly can they work it up? >> this is something we haven't spent very much money. a lot of the research done was to protect primates. >> we had the congressman on, i asked him, keep pushing about the vaccine. should we go after or leaders about money they've invested in vaccines? >> no, look, i think, i think actually there has been some funding for ebola and i think two years ago it was reasonable to say this was not top of anyone's list. >> it's changed. >> all the other ebola outbreaks have died away spontaneously or we've been able to contain them very straightforwardly. so things have dramatically
changed. now we have seen a massive increase, not just in the amount of funding available, but the speed we're undertaking the trials and the research that's going on. the other area you see that is with the treatment drugs and those trials are being accelerated as well. we're not going to get a working vaccine in the next few months and when you look at the cdc projection of 1.4 million people abroad, that's look i'm happy for to you do it if that makes the point, i think that's exactly right. nevertheless, 1.4 million people overseas with ebola, means some will end up here. >> that's the concern. you have to control it worldwide, that's the best way to control it at home. doctors, juliette, thank you very much for setting us straight on the confusion, where we are in terms of preparedness and what we have to do to deal with this and other viruses as we go forward. this is a conversation that has to be ongoing, because the threat is real and has to be controlled. in the 8:00 hour we're going to
be answering your questions, and concerns about ebola and its potential spread so what does that mean? get online, please, and start sending your questions. you know how to tweet us, and can you just use the #ebola qanda. and we'll be talking about hong kong, it's on the brink. protesters promise not to clear the streets until their leader steps down. not a great chance of that happening. they're also promising a new wave of civil disobedience if their demands are not met. still not a great chance of them getting what they want. so what happens on the government side? will they be answering with force? we're going to go there live coming up.
military helicopters carry out hair strikes on that area. this morning, prosecutors are investigating a possible grand jury leak in the case of darren wilson. the ferguson police officer who fatally shot michael brown. concern rose when a twitter user under the account susanmnichols posted i know someone on the grand jury and there isn't enough at this point to warrant an arrest. st. louis police and the fbi have finished their investigation into michael brown's death. the entero virus sweeping the company could be turning deadly. federal health officials are investigating what role entero virus d-68 may have played in four deaths, including a 10-year-old girl in cumberland, rhode island, tested positive for the entero virus, more than 500 people in 42 states and the nation's capital have been stricken by the virus, triple the number of cases reported just two weeks ago. want to show you video right now, stunning video of iceland's barta bunga volcano.
that is an eruption, shot with a gopro camera, i don't know who set it to music. the camera was mounted on a drone. the video would have been impossible to shoot using a manned aircraft. the area is so hot one of the gopro cameras became -- it melted because the area was so hot. >> but beautiful. it gives you an idea -- >> the mood music. >> do you think it's bjork? >> it probably is bjork. meteorologist indra petersons is here with the forecast. >> speaking of heat, the earth not hot in a good way. in the west we have strong santa ana winds that will be in play meaning the fire danger will be high. keep in mind although the trend is the temperatures will be going down there still will be a good 15 degrees above normal. so the concern will remain for sometime. northeast, a little swirl, so still looking at a couple of light showers and very easy to see where the main action is today, right in the middle of the country, we're watching the
threat for severe weather again today. 40 million people looking for the effects of severe weather from chicago back down through austin. look at the major hubs, we're talking about dallas, st. louis, even chicago looking for potential delays here. even the threat for isolated tornadoes cannot be ruled out with this system. so it's a powerful one. it will sweep off to the east, affect affecting the northeast by the time we get to the weekend. you'll have the rain and strong winds, behind it, a cold front, temperatures dive down. look at the difference, chicago you're going from highs about 78 degrees, almost 80 down to your highs to about 50 by saturday and no, it does not stay in the midwest. it takes another day or so, it will make its way to the northeast with the temperatures are diving down as well. those are the highs, you feel like waking up to some 30s, you'll be seeing those in the midwest this weekend. i know -- >> she said 30. >> you don't like it, thank you, i like that. >> i'm just underlying what she said. pro democracy demonstrators in hong kong say they're not
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to disburse after letting them clog the streets for days. the president of hong kong's legislative council says there is no chance that the chief executive will resign. that despite the demands from protesters. this came hours after the demonstration spread after a massive sit-in and a threat to occupy government buildings. will ripley is there with the latest. will, this does seem to be reaching what could be a crisis point. >> if something is not done very, very soon, to defuse this situation, we're going to see a confrontation tonight between protesters and hong kong police, we're hearing it from the student leaders who right now are telling people to leave this area, and move towards barricades that are all around this area. specifically barricades in front of the office of hong kong's chief executive, c.y. leung, the leader responsible for the tear gas that was used on protesters on sunday, creating outrage in the city. that's the reason there are thousands of people crowding
this area, including a group of people standing around us right now. this has been happening throughout all of our live reports there are people as far as the eye can see along harcourt road in the center of hong kong's financial district. it's been essentially shutting down this part of the city, tomorrow people are supposed to go back to work. it appears the hong kong government says this is the time for protesters to disburse or there's going to be a confrontation. our producer at one area says the number of police has doubled. they're wearing gas masks right now. you see the signs that are up all over this area. keep calm and hold the block. this is the message of protesters, they say they are going to stand in as many numbers as they can. in front of these blockades, trying to keep government officials from going to work, fulfilling their promise to occupy government buildings, they say they're not going to use aggression, essentially forcing the police to act. john? >> if they're used, that's very concerning, if things don't change over the next several hours, there will be a confrontation. between demonstrators in the hong kong authorities. what's the role of the chinese
military in all of this? >> there has been a lot of concern about the people's liberation army getting armed to intervene. although nothing like that has happened here. certainly people think of that because this is a chinese city. and this demonstration bear as lot of similarity to what happened back in 1989. but beijing has said they consider this to be a hong kong issue, that the hong kong authorities will deal with appropriately. we were over at the pla garrison earlier today. we saw no extra activity. but we are seeing quite a heightened police presence right now. >> we need to keep our eye on this the next several hours will be crucial. our will ripley in the streets of hong kong. you can see the demonstrators all around him. many of them just kids, our thanks to you, will. chris? we're are following a lot of news, so let's get right to it. thomas eric duncan, the first paint diagnosed with ebola
in the united states is fighting for his life. >> we're hoping and praying that eric is alive tonight. >> he volunteered that he had traveled from africa. regretfully, that information was not fully communicated. this is unacceptable and i take full responsibility. >> she said she wanted to take responsibility. that doesn't mean anything without consequence. >> she had to go, it was the right move. new help in the war on isis. turkey deciding today on possible new military action. >> they gave us every indication that they were going to contribute. good morning, welcome back to "new day." and we do start with this big question, why did this dallas hospital fail to admit a man who showed up with ebola symptoms after he told them he been to liberia? troubling. that man, his name is thomas eric duncan. he became the first person diagnosed with ebola on american soil. the hospital defends its actions arguing that symptoms quote did not warrant admission at the time duncan first showed up.
the question is should they have done it anyway out of an abundance of caution? and how many people have been exposed to duncan before he went back to the hospital a couple days later. that's the big concern we have this morning with that story. that's why we're going to be following it as closely as we can. we don't want this to happen a second time the same way. let's bring in chief medical correspondent, sanjay gupta and we do have reason this morning, you're joining us in atlanta, but in hawaii, sanjay, some reason for confidence about how we will handle cases like this. >> they have been very transparent with what's going on in hawaii. there's a patient out there that they have some suspicions about. patient who seems to have symptoms. and also recently was in west africa. they asked about the travel history. that's going to warrant more questions, more investigations. it doesn't necessarily mean that the patient has ebola. it doesn't necessarily mean that the patient should be tested for ebola. a lot of things can cause a fever when you're returning from
africa or west africa. but it prompts the vemt investigation to your point, chris. that's exactly what should happen. >> sanjay, then the concern shifting back to the situation in texas, is about tracking down who the man had contact with, how is that going? do we know how many contacts, what counts as a contact? that's created some confusion about who's at risk in a situation like this. >> absolutely. i think this needs to be made more clear, a source of questions i think today for some of the people making these guidelines. we're hearing the numbers somewhere between 12 and 20. so you already get an idea that this is not easy. you're trying to figure out every person that this, mr. duncan may have had contact with over, the four-day period. look at your life, chris, the number of contacts you may have had over a few-day period, it's challenge something my point. he was sick, not likely out in public places, just didn't feel well. but it's still going to be
challenging to find all of those people who counts as a contact. certainly anyone he had direct contact with. people he shook hands with, the health care workers in the hospitals. obviously anybody he was residing in the same household with as well. family members, close friends who may have visited. people like that. >> now that we understand it's about an abundance of caution, and not about what the reasonable range of contagion would be, it makes sense to go as broad as you possibly can. sanjay, stay with us. let me hand it over to michaela to continue the conversation. >> we're going to bring in the director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university here in new york city. doctor, thank you so much for joining us, it's good to have both of you with us in fact. i want to talk to you, given your role as the director for national center for disaster preparedness, you say it's inevitable we're going to see more cases, we know there's a potential for case in hawaii. we've seen what happened in
dallas. tell us why, how big you think it could be. >> the reality is of course there are many, many people living here who are from countries in west africa where this disease is really has emerged in full force. so there's an inevitable amount of travel back and forth between the united states and those countries in africa. it's part of commerce, it's part of people visiting family members, it's absolutely for certain that there's going to be a lot of travel that we cannot stop and should not stop. so in view of that, it is highly likely that there will be other cases of people coming over, asymptomatic. and when they're asymptomatic, they're not a danger to other people. after they get here, after a period of incubation, before they're sick, where it's going to be possible for people to get sick, be diagnosed with ebola. >> sanjay, i think that's where some of the disconnect is. this incubation period, correct me if i'm wrong, anywhere from two days to 21 days?
>> that's right. what that basically means, michaela, is you have been exposed, you have the virus in your body, but you're not sick. even if you got a blood test, it would not show the ebola virus, it's in such small amounts, but within 21 days, you could become sick. if you don't get sick within 21 days, you're sort of given the all-clear flag. but during that period you could travel around the world several times during the 21-day period. >> therein lies the problem. the next question is how can we have confidence, should we have confidence that our hospitals, and not just hospitals, medical centers, medical facilities, traveling nurses, that the medical professionals in our country are ready, they're prepared, they have the tools and resources they need? >> theoretically, they're ready, they've been getting notifications. but we're talking about educating hundreds of thousands of drrs, health care workers,
nurses, not just in the hospital. people going to their doctor's offices, we have to depend on the entire system becoming aware of what they need to be looking for. that snafu at the hospital in texas is a warning sign, that we need to step up our capacity to inform everybody. >> how do we do that? you probably have a better sense of that. explain to us how that happens. how do everybody quote-unquote get the memo? >> there's a multilevel information campaign that's very intense. that starts with the cdc. centers for disease control. but every state, every state health department, every local health department, for example here in new york city has been aggressively working to get the message out through the networks. it just takes a long time. it doesn't necessarily sink in immediately. and hopefully this incident in texas, with the misinformation about the travel to africa will be kind of a wakeup call. >> that's such an important point that one travel history missed, we know, sanjay, that
that patient had contact with, up to 20 people. that includes some children, we're told five children, are children extra vulnerable? talk to us about the concern for these kids. >> well you know, they're kids and obviously that just invokes a lot of emotion and obviously they seem to have come in contact with him. in terms of being more vulnerable, perhaps you know, younger children and older people sometimes their immune systems aren't quite as strong as people more in the prime of their lives. but they get treated just like anybody else. in the sense that they're going to be monitored for two, two times a day for 21 days. so that part of it is the same. but yeah, you know obviously it raises the level of concern a little bit. >> we talk about children and the emotional impact it has on us, they're our littlest ones, we want to protect so fiercely. this is all going on, dr. r
redliner at the same time we're dealing with an entero virus. that is concerning in and of itself. are we equipped to handle two concerning and potentially deadly issues? >> well here's the problem that i've been very concerned about. we see what's happening with the new virus, the entero virus and the ebola situation. are we going to take this as a wake-up call? or is it more going to be like a snooze alarm. we're going to be alarmed for the next couple of weeks, we'll hit the snooze alarm. back into our state of complacency. the problem is for example, the hospital prepareedness program, is cut by 50% over the last decade. it's incredible. also cutbacks to health departments across the country have been devastating. so the ability to track the patients, or the potential patients that sanjay has been talking about, has been very undermined by this constant cutting back of resources, just when we need them. >> one of the things we've worked to maintain here, sanjay, is a level of urgency, not
hysteria, not panic, but urgency. >> well you know, ebola invokes fear. and people can understand that. all we've heard about it is this terrible bloody disease in africa that kills 90% of the people. we're learning more about ebola than we ever have. i think it's an interesting point that you and dr. redliner make. ebola is not going to be the next contagion that people worry about, it's not going to be ebola. but it will likely be something at some point. and i'm just curious, dr. redliner's points about how prepared we are for that. we're, i think we're prepared for ebola. but what about the next thing? how well do these public health -- >> quick response, dr. redliner. >> how equip reasonable doubt the hospitals? >> we are facing a major challenge here. we've got to restore those funds for the hospital preeparedness.
this could have been a very lethal pandemic, like the bird flu. but right now, much needs to be done. >> dr. redliner and dr. sanjay gupta, the two of you are excellent at helping us understand it all. chris? to another situation in terms of how we deal with ebola. we're now sending 3,000 american troops to the ebola hot zone. their mission is to help in hospitals and treatment centers, specifically in liberia. now some troops are there already. how are they staying safe from the virus? will they get hurt while trying to help? cnn's barbara starr has more on that from the pentagon. we keep hearing the best way to keep the united states safe from ebola is to fight it aggressively, specifically in west africa. what do we know? >> good morning, chris, the u.s. troops, some already there, are supposed to help build hospitals, build treatment centers and assist the african staff there in treating. but not come into direct contact with ebola patients, that's how
it's supposed to go. what if inadvertently they do? what if u.s. troops get sick? cnn has learned that now the pentagon very much behind the scenes is considering whether those troops would have to be quarantined, isolated, monitored in some fashion, before they can come home, before they go back to their families, their home bases, the towns where they live. are those 3,000 american troops going to face quarantine? it's a real concern for the pentagon. it is something they're concerning. they have not come to a decision. what if u.s. troops get sick there? there's only a very limited amount of evacuation capacity. the other question for the pentagon this morning -- will the troops be treated in africa, will they be some military capability to evacuate them back to the united states? for some type of treatment? these are the issues they are dealing with. the person at the forefront, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey, is making this a very top
priority. so concerned, we're told, that behind the scene as couple of weeks ago, he called in a number of experts to his office, here at the pentagon, for a very private briefing on the ebola situation. chris? >> it is confusing. because you're not exactly sure who will get it and who won't. other than knowing the proximity is the key to transmission. so obviously every move you make will be scrutinized. remember in the next hour, we're going to take a look at your questions about ebola. we know everybody's worried about it. we want to try to keep our concerns in check with information as we know it. so send us questions about how it is spread, what you're worried about, what you're hearing, when you don't believe. and do it via twitter, #ebola q & a. >> the secret service, a series of security lapses there, one big secret she kept from the white house, now julia pierson is now the former director of the secret service. first she got leveled by
lawmakers at a house hearing over a series of embarrassing security breaches involving president obama. and when it became clear that she wasn't exactly forthcoming about a contractor with a gun near the president in an elevator at the cdc, her 30-year career at the secret service came to an end. let's bring in white house correspondent michelle kosinski. now the question is, what's next? >> we didn't hear julia pierson give too many substantive answers during her through hours of testimony before the house oversight committee. but what we did hear her do repeatedly was list her improvements at the agency. the white house said the president agreed that new leadership is necessary. one of the most surprising things to emerge now, was that the other security incident that happened three days before the white house fence jumper, this was about two weeks ago in atlanta, a security guard with a
gun, in an elevator with the president, but this wasn't cleared through secret service, turned out to be violation of protocol. now we know the white house wasn't even told about this, until just before it became very unpleasantly public on tuesday. now among the issues that will be looked at are the culture within the agency, training, staffing, and morale. michaela? >> all right. we'll be watching it with you, michelle, thanks so much. other things going on in the news, john berman. the taliban claiming responsibility for a wave of suicide bombings in afghanistan. the latest overnight killing three afghan army personnel and wounding eight others. it targeted an army vehicle in the air of kabul. the third deadly bombing in the last 24 hours targeting the afghan military. all of them set off by the taliban. hunting season is on hold in large parts of northeastern pennsylvania, as the search for eric frein expands. sections of delaware state forest will now be closed, as
police search for frein. that is the man accused of murdering officer brian dixon. the move comes a day after officials revealed they had found pipe bombs in the woods near pike county, which includes that state forest. it took 12 years, but a texas girl abducted in 2002 has been found. sabrina allen went missing when she was four years old. when she was taken by her noncustodial mother. they were found by authorities living in seclusion in mexico. the mother is in texas to face trial. the girl was in the care of a psychologist until she's ready to be reunited with her father. police in ft. lauderdale, searching for a couple of would-be crook who is tried to rob a gas station screens store. look at this -- their hands were so full, though, with beer, that they could not open the door which is a problem i have with the refrigerator. obviously a flaw in their escape plan. when the guy put down the beer to open the door, he got out, but -- >> where is your music now, john berman. >> you need music to set this
over. some good bjork. >> precious cargo, you don't want to drop the beer. >> like i said. >> were they drunk? >> they were about to be. >> i think he a push/pull issue there. >> i have that issue all the time. i do push/pull not generally with beer in my hands. >> who risks going to jail for beer? >> people like beer. >> it seems the answer is almost everybody? >> i don't know why you're anti-beer? >> i'm not anti-beer. you should have seen what he was drinking last night. we'll discuss on twitter. breaking new details and concerns about ebola specifically in the u.s. as we learn more about how this texas hospital let an ebola patient go home, we'll speak with jon huntsman, he was the governor of utah and as ambassador of china. someone who was integral in figuring out how to fight the
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is the u.s. prepared to handle ebola? why would there are any shake to the confidence? the first response to the u.s. case would seem to say we're not ready. because the hospital officials let a man go with the virus when he came and said he had been to the hot zone in west africa. so the global response is also coming up short. allowing cases to expand by the thousands in west africa. so what can we do better? are we ready? we have someone to help us address this issue, as well as what's going on in hong kong. a rare two-fer we're going to get with jon huntsman, a former u.s. ambassador to china. also, was the governor of utah and is now the host of a radio show on sirius xm. speaking about ebola is a comfort zone for you, because you had to handle as ambassador, what china was dealing with, the h1n1 virus. and obviously that was very scary, of a different magnitude
from ebola. from what you understand and what you remember as governor in setting up the health protocols for something like ebola, do you think the u.s. is equipped? >> thank you for having me on. think without question the u.s. is equipped. we've been through the h1n1, we've been through things like y2k. sometimes when you make a mistake or when a certain protocol isn't followed early on, that's a loud-and-clear reminder that people need to pay attention and make sure that things are prepare ford any event yalt. i've seen it from an international standpoint overseas and governor of a state, you work with the local health officials in your state. you got to work with the emergency relief folks, gout to work with a whole lot of volunteers to make sure you've got stockpiled medicines and a whole lot of beds available beyond that which your health sciences and hospitals traditionally make available that takes a lot of coordinating and it sometimes takes additional line items on a budget to get done.
so it consume as lot of bandwidth from state leadership and city leadership, but it also takes a lot of dollars and currents to get right. our country, because we work best at the local government level, while washington may be dysfunctional, we have state governments and city governments that do things fairly well. i would guess we're prepared to deal with whatever eventuality comes our way. >> not to play semantics, but it's a little bit of a guessing game until you get into it. that's when you know how it is, that's what shakes confidence, looking at texas. let's assume texas is a one-off, because they seem to be doing it more aggressively in hawaii, with a suspected case. let's hope the patient doesn't have ebola. but you mentioned budget. have we cut money too much to the systems and processes necessary to handle an outbreak of ebola? have we not put enough money into the vaccines that help prevent something like ebola? >> i think the center force disease control and the health
establishment, they've got enough flexibility with the funds available to be able to produce whatever they need as an antidote. but fundamentally, our research and development budgets across the board are being impacted by the current budget situation. and that long-term is, is a bad thing. as we fail to do anything with respect to entitlements, which the bottom line of which is eating up all remaining aspects of our budget. less and less you have any kind of flexibility on research and development funds, so that ultimately will impact exactly this kind of conversation. but the real tragedy is playing out in west africa. and that is where you see countries like sierra leone and liberia and guinea, experiencing significant consequences. you know 3,000 dead, the prospects for a million and a half infected. by january. little infrastructure to deal effectively with how this is playing out. you've got two of those countries in sierra leone and
liberia, coming off of ten years of civil war and just beginning the prospects of economic growth and stability. that now has been dashed when you look at their economic growth forecast numbers, probably a quarter of a billion dollars will be wiped away in terms of potential cash flow from their economic uplift. that's going to leave them in a very precarious situation. and trust again will have to be built between the citizens and the governments of these countries, that were already very fragile. >> if nothing else, the first case in texas did heighten the urgency of dealing with west africa it seems. there is an infusion of troops going there. hopefully we can keep them safe and they can help improve the circumstances there. let's turn to another source of urgency. what's going on in hong kong. another situation you understand very well. there have been periodic movements for democracy over the years. certainly in this past century in china. mainland china specifically. what makes what's happening in hong kong different and of concern to you? >> you have a clash of cultures
fundamentally between the freedom-loving hong kongers, of which there's 7.5 million. they want to preserve their freedom, they want an expanded democracy, which was envisioned when the government was put together and the other part of the clash of cultures is out of beijing. you've got a new leader who is two years into his probably ten-year administration. his preoccupation is with domestic stability. so when you've got the need for domestic stability, and the desire for more openness, and a robust democracy as expressed through directly electing the chief executive of hong kong, which today is a special autonomous region, that's going to produce what you're seeing play out in the financial district of hong kong. it doesn't have an easy solution and the protesters aren't going away any time soon. >> that's the concern, right? because i do not like doing the comparison to tiananmen square because of the hundreds and
maybe thousands massacred there. but it is the 25-year anniversary. it is the same dynamic of how the protest, coming in mass numbers, as many as a million 25 years ago in tiananmen square in beijing. here less but still 100,000 people there, what do you fear might happen if the government decides to use force and you have that big a population in such a tight area? >> if you get beyond simply the police forces in hong kong responding, as they have and as they will continue to, which is to say, calling in the 6,000 garrisoned people's liberation army troops that are stationed around hong kong, that would be an utter disaster. and i don't see it getting to that point. i think chief executive leung is likely to blow in the wind for a while. i don't think beijing is going to make a decision any time soon. they're going to leave it to the local authorities to try to figure this one out. the problem there is chief executive leung has very little respect by the local folks, who see him as being in the hip pocket of beijing. because of what was a mostly a
failed selection process in 2012 to bring him to the chief executive slot. so ultimately, i do believe there's going to have to be some sort of compromise. they're going to have to look at the white paper, which was distributed in june of this year, that basically rolled back some of the early promises that were made on the direct election. and it still is a white paper. so there may be some ways that you can expand the pool of candidates that ultimately run for kpif executive. there may be some way of getting the chief executive leung out of office and putting someone like anson chan in, a respected leader and does well with the more progressive segments of society in hong kong. and there is precedent for that as well. but i suspect there's going to be some behind-the-scenes negotiating to try to find some middle way as the protesters remain exactly where they are. >> we lope so the last thing we want to is he is any type of confrontation, jon huntsman,
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with john king. john, good to see you. >> i'll yield back my time if you want -- >> keep it pushing, john. take it away. >> you guys get your stories straight. we'll be back to you in a couple minutes. let's go "inside politics," with me to share their reporting and insight, ed o'keefe of the "washington post" and peter hamby of cnn. the president hits the road today. the president is trying to convince you, the voters that the economy is doing a little bit better than you might think and that he deserves some credit. let's look at numbers as we begin the conversation. as the president goes to chicago, his personal rating on the economy, 42% of americans approve of how the president is handling the economy. six in ten americans disapprove. and yet, if you look at this timeline, over the past several months, there's no question, that the people's views, your views about how the economy is doing, are getting a little bit better. 42% in our latest poll say economic conditions are good. so ed o'keefe, what is the challenge for the president, who appears to get no credit for some increase in economic optimism. and how important is this to
democrats standing mid-term day? >> absolutely essential that they remind not only their base voters, but maybe swing voters, that look at your pocketbook, look at the stock market, except maybe the last few days, things are getting better. the problem is there's this growing sense, bared out in data that you know, regular everyday workers aren't necessarily seeing the riches of the rebound and that's been a challenge not only for him, but for democrats generally. they've tried to make the point this year, trying to raise the minimum wage. equal pay legislation it doesn't get out of door because of republican opposition, part of his struggle. this is basically all he's got. when foreign policy is a mess and other things are going badly. the economy is the only thing he can turn to now as he hits the campaign trail. >> i look at this trip to illinois a little bit as a campaign hack. you would think illinois in his home state would be a place he could go. obama's approval in illinois his home state is 45%, better than
nationally but still not good. look at the dynamics of the campaign, barack obama is doing a closed-door fundraiser for governor pat quinn in chicago. the one they're putting out there is michelle obama, who has cut a radio ad for pat quinn in the governor's race, even in his home state he can't go out there publicly. >> he has to troo try to change perceptions at the ground level. that's not going to change in the final month. you write a piece today in the "post," that essentially i'm going to make, the lead is, the president should stay in chicago and have dinner with his friends, not come back to washington tonight. he's supposed to come back for this hispanic gala in town at a time when there's a lot of dissatisfacti dissatisfaction. he promised to production comprehensive immigration reform and promised to do executive action this year before election. now he has punted that until after the election. a lot of red state democrats, vulnerable democrats in senate
races are were happy with that decision. you write elsewhere in the party, there is dissatisfaction. >> there's a lot of groups out west trying to register as many hispanic voters as possible, places like nevada, arizona, texas. if more hispanics start showing up, it will demonstrate to both parties their sustained political power. you talk to some of those people trying to do that leg work on the ground. say we're having a harder time convincing people to sign up to vote. why? the reason is because the president punted. they say once again, over the course of six years, he has broken a promise on immigration and people are saying to us, why should i bother if he isn't showing up to do this? you look at polling numbers, he's dropped more significantly among hispanics than any other subset in polling over the past year. because of this issue, because of the economy, but most especially because again they see the promise broken. it's a big problem for him, because he'll walk into the room where he's supposed to be a revered figure, loved by them and there's a lot of anger that
he's once again taking advantage of them. >> his numbers have dropped precipitously, 20 points according to gallup, since 2012 election. but what's the alternative? right? where do hispanic voters go? they went 3-1 to him in the last presidential race and republicans are still grappling with the politics of immigration. with their primary vote and the conservative base versus the general electorate and hispanic voters. sew has options here in that where else do hispanic voters go. >> where else do they go? the question is do they come out at all this year, mid-term drop usually drops anyway. let's see what the pes average are. you watch the house races. we'll go into 2015 and 2016 to see if congress wants to touch immigration reform. but the republican leadership has been overly cautious on that front as we go forward. let's take a look at how it's playing in some campaigns this year. ed makes a point about registering voters, turning out voters, house races around the country.
in kansas where the incumbent pat roberts is in deep trouble. in kansas the republican is in deep trouble. he has an independent candidate running against him. not a democrat, the independent is winning if you look at the polls. pat roberts trying to use immigration as an issue. his opponent's position to say this guy is not an independent at all. >> ormond gave thousands of dollars to elect barack obama. even harry reid. now orman says he would support giving amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. greg orman is not independent in washington orman would vote with obama for amnesty. >> if that's the tone of a republican ad in the final weeks this year, it is hard to see and maybe miracles do happen, hard to see a different position from the republican leadership next year, right? >> that's absolutely the case. not just senate and house races, it's governors race, places like texas where democrats want hispanics to turn out. florida is another example. not that hispanic vote remembers the same everywhere. they are cuban in florida,
mexican-american in texas. that dynamic is interesting there, because greg orman, the independent has refused to say what he would do in washington and who he would caucus with and pat roberts' campaign finally has a message and a campaign team and is finally running coherent television ads against this guy and these are pretty tough. >> he said he would caucus with the winners and try to use his leverage there. >> that's brave. >> nancy pelosi remembers now she's the democratic leader in the house, she was the speaker. she would love to be speaker again. the question is when. listen to nancy pelosi's take on maybe 2014 won't be so great for us. but -- >> their days are numbered. i know in two years, there will be a democratic congress and a democratic president. i'd like it to be in two months. >> 'sheed like it to be in two months. ed, unlikely. i think most unlikely that will happen. does nancy pelosi stay around as democratic leader through 2016? hoping to be speaker in 2017,
when she would be 77 years old? >> that's her plan. she suggested it at the press conference, she would like to stay. the idea is to make sure the democrats don't lose as many seats as anticipated so they can keep the margins close enough to republicans, that let's say a hillary clinton for president campaign helps compel people to vote for a few more house democrats and you would have a female president and a female speaker. she's not going anywhere. >> in terms of the senate, all the republican pick-ups from 2010 are going to be up in '16. so it is possible that the congress could be in republican hands for two years and then in a presidential year, switch back and yes you could have potentially president hillary clinton and vice president warren and speaker pelosi. >> the margins this year, how many seats the republicans pick up in the house, it doesn't matter a lot if heading into the 2016 calculation. ed and peter, thanks for coming in as i get back to mr. kboecuon new york.
congressman jim mcdermott celebrating a new museum in seattle. remember the bruce lee movies? now look at this. >> do you know bruce? that's the new uniform for "new day," i think. >> he looks good. >> he looks like a bond girl. >> he looks good. how do you ask, do you remember bruce lee? be like water, be like water. who does not remember bruce lee. >> you need the jumpsuit, that was perfect, except for the jumpsuit. >> i would wear a jumpsuit. it's all about team, john. he looks good. >> you first. >> i'll go through the beta stage. john, thank you very much. so parents out there, you may want to put down the coffee and listen up, here's why, dozens of kids have been mysteriously paralyzed from a virus. not ebola, something different. we spoke with one family dealing with what's going on, their story is next. you're driving along,
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. time for some headlines, john berman is here taking a look at those for us. >> the first female director of the secret service forced to step down after getting carved up by lawmakers in a fiery hearing on capitol hill. julia pierson offering up no explanation for a series of embarrassing security breaches that posed a risk to the president and the first family. the white house seemed to pull support because pierson never told them about a breach last month in atlanta until minutes before it broke in the news this week. the navy marine corps searching for a airman who bailed from a plane. the pilot of the osprey was able to regain power and land safely. mexican army capturing one
of the most wanted drug lords in mexico, they closed in on hector beltran leva at a seafood restaurant in a popular tourist area. mexican officials say intelligence officials tracked his moves over the last 11 months. they say he headed a large corruption and money laundering network. a big capture that is. chris? >> jb, thank you very much. we want to give you the latest on a different virus sweeping the nation. forget about ebola. the entero virus is making an impact here. more than 500 cases right now, 42 states. 500 cases, 42 states. so this is a massive spike in just the last two weeks. it's been suspected in the deaths of a 10-year-old rhode island girl and three others, so it's spreading and potentially deadly. suspected of paralyzing dozens of other children. the question is obviously what can we do about it. let's get more from cnn's paul
ver gammon. >> these piano player, a right-handed infielder who suddenly weeks ago suddenly lost the use of his throwing arm. > it's heartbreaking, because there's so many things he does so well. that he needs his right arm for. >> the san diego third grader is one of the latest children in the united states some clustered in colorado, and in boston, to suffer from weakness in limbs. neurological illness, and cranial nerve dysfunction. will's parents asked us not to show video of his face, now swollen by steroids. >> not knowing was definitely the hardest part for me. >> after weeks of agonizing tests, uncertainty, doctors finally told will's divorced parents, their son had a -- >> positive nose swab for the entero virus. >> will suffered from a respiratory illness before being hospitalized with weakness in limbs. the center force disease control are now asking america's
hospitals to keep their eyes open, to similar cases. >> but the cdc says it doesn't know if there's an association between the entero virus, and pair littic conditions that children like will are experiencing. it's a maddening mystery for parents. >> we just have to look at the positive and he's here. and start teaching him how to write stories and do sports with his left hand. >> will's fingers on his limp right arm still move well enough for him to play piano. >> and he's inspiring, at the same time. >> will's parents say the prognosis is not good for their son regaining full use of his right arm. but will told us off-camera, he still dreams of playing first base in the major leagues. paul ver gammon, cnn, san diego. certainly our prayer goes out to the family and the other
families you are dealing with this but the story is kind of sounding the alarm, that's not all about ebola. there's a lot of things out there that we have to contend with. we are also covering ebola, because that's a very scary thing as well. and the race to contain it has ramped up in a big way. because of the first case ever in the u.s. doctors without borders has been on the front lines in west africa. we're going to ask them what needs to be done to keep the virus contained there. [ male announcer ] tomcat bait kills up to 12 mice, faster than d-con. what will we do with all of these dead mice? tomcat presents dead mouse theatre. hey, ulfrik! hey, agnar! what's up with you? funny you ask.
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it is what is happening basically today. there cannot be too afraid to have an increase number of cases. >> we know the president of your international xwroupgroup addre the u.n. last week and said something sobering, ebola is winning. >> yes indeed. in west africa, of course, but today we still have an increase of cases in the three affected countries. the situation there is really still terrible, particularly in liberia and sierra leone and the situation is not evolving in the right direction. we see better mobilization and deployment of actors. >> help us understand the challenges you face. do you have enough personnel? do you have enough resources, do you have enough medical equipment? what are the challenges you're facing? >> the challenge is really to be
able to isolate the sick people. people, once they are sick and they are very contagious, basically they are looking for health care for a place to go. to set up those centers it's of course not easy to do and we need more centers. that's why for months doctors without borders has been asking for more actors to be deployed including a state capacity like the xas tcapacity of the united states to help those countries. >> we know president barack obama committed up to 3,000 military personnel to aid in the fight and the isolation and support. is that enough or what would you like to see happen from the united states? >> it has to happen now. my question is now about the timing. it's a good commitment. we need more commitments from other countries. it's happening but still in terms of the situation on the
ground, today we don't see, the time is running and actually we have been afraid it's going to take too long. >> we know doctors and medical professionals are putting themselves in harm's way to help people around the globe. we appreciate your efforts and appreciate you joining me today to talk about this ongoing battle. keep it up, doctor, with he need you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, briy briye de lavigne, from doctors without borders. secret service director julia pierson resigning on the heels of a disastrous hearing on capitol hill amid new reports of another security lapse that put the president at risk. is her exit enough to fix the secret service?
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the virus trying to help an infected pregnant woman in liberia. officials are racing to find anyone who has been in contact with him, including children. paying the price, the secret service director is out after a public grilling on capitol hill over several embarrassing security lapses so where does the agency go from here and are more blunders bound to surface? >> your "new day" continues right now. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to "new day." it's thursday, the 2nd day of october, 8:00 in the east. good morning to you and good morning to you at home. we begin with the high stakes question. why did a dallas hospital initially turn away a man who showed up feeling sick, questioning whether he had ebola symptoms even though he told them he traveled to the u.s. from liberia?
that man we now know is thomas eric duncan, became the first person diagnosed with ebola on american soil. the hospital is now under fire despite arguing symptoms did not warrant admission at the time that mr. duncan arrived at the hospital. how many people may have been exposed before duncan went back to seek treatment a second time? chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has the latest from cdc headquarters in atlanta, they'll look at everybody, family members, people who came in contact with him. >> reporter: that's the biggest goal right now. what you're describing is how you stop an outbreak. you have to find all the contacts. we knew this would happen a patient would come here and be diagnosed with ebola. that's why the cdc has been preparing for this for months but there were some things that didn't go the way they hoped it could. i bet you they wish they could get a do over but because of the result of all of this a lot of focus on dallas. in this hospital, thomas eric
duncan, the first patient diagnosed with ebola in the united states is fighting for his life. >> we're hoping and praying that eric survives the night. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview in charlotte, north carolina, duncan's nephew speaks out for the first time. >> i just want to let you know that we will not sleep just like you, you feel the pain, we feel the pain here, too. >> reporter: doctors say he's in serious but stable condition. duncan is a liberian national and traveled for the first time ever to the united states to visit his family in dallas. the "new york times" reports he may have become infected september 15th when he helped carry a pregnant woman who died from ebola to the hospital. september 19th, duncan flies from liberia to brussels, belgium, showing no symptoms or fever during airport screening. from there he boards united airlines flight 951 en route to washington dulles connecting to another united flight 822 to
dallas. september 20th, he arrives in dallas, and heads to this apartment complex to visit family. four days later, he starts developing symptoms. he walks into this dallas emergency room on the 25th of september, vomiting and with a fever. he tells the nurse he had traveled from africa but is sent home with antibiotics and does not undergo an ebola screening. september 28th, his condition worsens, he returns to the hospital by ambulance and is placed in isolation. the next day a family friend calls the cdc complaining that the hospital isn't moving quickly enough with his test results. by tuesday the 30th, the lab results confirm the patient has ebola. the hospital admits it was a failure to communicate among hospital staff that led to the patient's release after his initial visit. >> he volunteered that he had traveled from africa in response to the nurse operating the
checklist and asking that question. regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full team. >> reporter: investigators are now monitoring up to 20 people who were his contacts for symptoms from paramedics who transported him to doctors and nurses in the hospital to his family, girlfriend, and her five school-aged children, but so far, none has been confirmed to be infected. we just got some new details from elizabeth cohen down in dallas that the family, they were originally told, chris, that they could just monitor their temperature a couple times a day but other than that, carry on with their lives. we're hearing from elizabeth the family is also being essentially quarantined, being asked to stay in the home, not leave the home, they're going to even bring food and supplies to the home, so that family stays there at least for the next 21 days, chris. >> all right, and obviously they're still developing the report and investigating here, sanjay, but this could wind up
being dozens and dozens of people they have to deal with because of the nature of how life is lived. you come into contact with so so many people. we bring in dr. anthony fauci, director at the national institutes of health. who better to have in this interview toni fauci than sanjay. first question is this, what we want to do here is balance not spreading false panic with making sure that we are calling for responsibility and accountability in getting things right. it does seem that things have changed between how texas handled it and how we're seeing it handled in hawaii. was the texas situation a wake-up call, dr. fauci? >> well, it's regrettable that there wasn't the connecting of the dots. unfortunately those things happen. that's the negative part about it. the positive part about it as you say it really is a wake-up call in lessons learned and hopefully in the future, and we
might well have other people who come over here without symptoms, get on a plane and land and then develop ebola. that is certainly feasible and i think because of the attention that has been paid to the situation in dallas, that people will be very, very much aware of the importance of a travel history, as well as including that travel history into the decision-making, so unfortunately, this happened, and i think it's just a human mistake but we'll move on. right now they're on the right track. the patient is isolated, being taken care of appropriately, and importantly to this entire concept of not having an outbreak is that the cdc and other health officials are involved in the contact tracing that, done properly, will actually be able to curtail any possibility of an outbreak by just monitoring people on a daily basis for that 21-day period to make sure they do not have ebola. >> abundance of caution certainly makes sense. sanjay, willet me ask you
something and then please jump into the conversation. in terms of what we do to prepare, the vaccine seems to be really important, and i understand, and i listened earlier in the show when you said hey, ebola isn't on our radar and it wasn't a couple years ago, we were thinking about other things that spread through the air that are far more important to stop. should we be putting more money in vaccines? have we missed that opportunity? >> well, i think in terms of missing an opportunity, i don't think it will be available this vaccine currently under trials probably won't be available for this current outbreak. hindsight is always 20/20. we wished we started the vaccine trial earlier yes for certain. remember, chris, the numbers have always been so low with regard to ebola. they thought the numbers were lower compared to flu or some of the other things we've been talking about more regularly. you bring up a really good point and one of the things i wanted to ask dr. fauci as well with regard to the contact tracing which is the tried and true
method way of stopping an outbreak we heard that the paramedics who transported mr. duncan to the hospital were asked to be quarantined basically not be able to go out, they're not sick, they're not showing any symptoms. who does a quarantine benefit? who are you trying to keep safe with the quarantine? we hear the family is being quarantined, same question. what is the purpose of a quarantine? >> sanjay, what i think it is, what is perceived as the relative risk. the people who were in the emergency response as well as the family who have very close contact, perhaps even with bodily fluids, they are relatively speaking at a higher risk than some of the other people who came into contact. so although all of the contacts will be monitored, when you quarantine somebody, you feel that the risk is high enough, you want to make sure that you
don't miss the development of symptoms and have them have contact with somebody else. so as you're monitoring them for fever and symptoms, you want them in a place where they're confined, because of the relative chance of their having more of a risk than someone else who would have less close or intimate contact, and it makes sense the family members as well as the people in the ambulance, so i think that's a good call. >> chris, the reason i ask that question, chris, as you know, you don't start transmitting the virus, you're not spreading it until you're sick yourself. so i asked about the fact that a healthy person be quarantined, what would be the purpose of that, and that sort of point. also the family was not quarantined initially. now they're being asked to be quarantined. this is evolving and this is the first time it's happened in the united states so this is evolving in terms of how they're proceeding. >> also feeds to the confusion,
fellas. what is the message we're giving to american people, don't worry. this is hard to get. you have to be in close proximity, bodily fluids and all this other stuff that suggests intimacy, and then we hear about a broader and broader circle of people being either isolated or quarantined. you understand how dr. fauci it sounds like a mixed message. >> it really isn't a mixed message because the people who are being contact traced are the people who have come into contact with mr. duncan after mr. duncan had symptoms. you note the people on the airplane who at the time that mr. duncan was on the airplane and for the four days from the time he landed to the time he began symptoms, those people are not being contact traced because mr. duncan didn't have any symptoms. the contact tracing is for the people who came into contact with mr. duncan from the time he
developed symptoms and that's the family, that's the people who were in the ambulance and a number of other people who did come into contact with him so it really isn't a mixed message. if someone doesn't have symptoms and is perfectly well, that person is not going to transmit to someone else. >> flipping it the other way, sanjay, we were reporting about the enterovirus which you helped us understand and clarify a lot other the weeks, why are we more concerned about ebola than we are about the enterovirus when we only have one, maybe two cases, not even in the continental united states but it including hawaii, and yet we've got 542 different states, it's paralyzing kids, may have killed somebody. why aren't we paying more attention to that than ebola? >> part of this is the collision of social and science. people are fearful of ebola. this disease in central and west africa that can kill up to 90% of the people it infect.
that's been books and movies that fostered that fear but you're right. let me take that a step further. you talk about enterovirus, regular flu virus kills tens of thousands of people a year in this country. did you know that? tens of thousands of people a year die from basic flu. we hardly ever talk about it, because it's something we've grown very used to. ebola's brand new, and i think that's been part of this fear as well. so i think it's already starting to dissipate. the first patients came here to this country who had been diagnosed with ebola a few months ago now and already we've started getting used to talking about ebola in this country. >> i did know sanjay because i listened to you and i have the benefit of learning from you very often on this and it's a great benefit to the viewers in general so sanjay, thank you, dr. fauci, thank you. i can't think of two men who could help clarify a very scary
situation and the more we understand the better it is for everybody. thank you to both of you, gentlemen. we'll be back with you on this for sure. mick? >> great conversation there, thanks so much for that, chris. we turn to a series of embarrassing security breaches that cost secret service director julia pierson her job. she was forced to resign, under fire a day after bruising capitol hill grilling. any support she may have had left and crumbled when news broke about an armed security contractor without clearance somehow getting into an elevator with the president in atlanta at the cdc last month. stunning security lapse that was not shared with the white house. the timing of that, made it extra, extra stinging for her. more from michelle kosinski. >> reporter: this follows the trajectory of the va scandal. the whistleblowers coming from inside the secret service, the bipartisan outrage, the entrenched culture within the agency and now the resignation. julia pierson was appointed by the president to turn the secret
service around and here we are a year and a half later and it needs another try. while white house fence jumper omar gonzalez was pleading not guilty to federal crimes for storming the mansion armed with a knife it's not clear he's aware of the fallout he leaves behind. >> no, stop, please. >> reporter: julia pierson now resigned as director of the secret service. her terse and answerless answers to an angry house committee only riled congress even more >> is the president of the united states informed? >> i would assume the president of the united states was informed. i don't know. >> reporter: details came from whistleblowers she didn't mention and one of the newly revealediness tents a security guard with a gun in an elevator with the president two weeks ago in atlanta, a situation that hadn't been cleared by secret service and violated protocol, the white house wasn't even told about until just before it became unpleasantly public
tuesday. >> director pierson aurd her resignation because she believed it was in the best interests of the agency to which she has dedicated her career. >> reporter: pierson called it painful to leave. after three decades with the secret service. now the interim director joseph clancy is also a long-timer who headed the presidential protection division and retired three yeermz bars ago but it's culture within the agency that seems stubborn to change. one former agent told us things like the front door alarm being turned off because white house ushers didn't like the occasional loud noise points to a dangerous acquiescence at upper levels of the secret service and desire to please the boss. that infuriated officers below them turning whistleblowers, finding ears in congress. >> agents in this agency said they were hesitant to raise
security concerns with their supervisors. ladies and gentlemen, something is awfully wrong with that picture. >> among the other issues that will bear more scrutiny now are training, staffing, and morale. michaela? >> that morale issue is going to be big. but maybe with a change in leadership, morale could take an upswing. that's the hope. >> the leadership matters if only because you have to own the mistakes and that wasn't done here. >> accountability. >> right, and that's the fear is that you're protecting the most important man in the world and you've got to be honest about what happens. >> absolutely. >> we'll keep following up on that one. we'll go back to this situation in texas, a hospital just let a man with ebola go home for days and as a result he was in contact with a lot of other people. it raises the question for all the talk about how prepared we are, are hospitals ready to deal with the vir us? we're going to discuss this with a senator who says there are questions and he has a better idea.
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welcome back to "new day." the concern is obvious, how could a dallas hospital let a man leave knowing he had been to liberia and showing symptoms of what could be ebola and what will other hospitals do when confronted with the same situation? we bring in senator bob casey a democrat from pennsylvania, also on the subcommittee for health, education, labor and pensions. so this is relevant to your work down there in d.c., as a citizen
and as an elected official. we keep being told we're ready, the u.s. knows what to do, we've got the systems in place and the texas hospital seems to not follow an obvious trail, let alone protocol. what's your take? >> chris, i think we are prepared overall in a broad sense, way back in 2006 legislation was passed to put in place a strategy, a national strategy involving not just the federal government by way of the centers for disease control and health and human services, but a whole range of things the federal government would do in cop junction with state and local authorities and other emergency responders and other players, but there's no question in this case that preparedness has been tested and i think it's going to call for if not a review of the existing statute, certainly a review of how the communication occurs between federal authorities all the way to the local level to local
hospitals. >> what do you think? are we spreading false panic here even though we're trying to be scrupulous making sure that what confuses people is answered. what is your level of concern? >> it's pretty high, because even though this is very much isolated so far, if we have mistakes like i would assert the mistake in texas was made, if that becomes more routine you might open up a window of vulnerability that wouldn't have been opened up otherwise. >> it seems to be a wake-up call systemic problem at this point because in hawaii it's handled differently there, a patient who as of yesterday hadn't been tested for ebola but treating as though maybe they could have it, seems there's more awareness of risk. >> i think so. when you have a national strategy and resources to surge the zmapp response which is a
great tool we have, you still have to have at the local level partners who understand that they've got to get it right and do their own preparedness and own drills and review and constantly update their protocols. >> fair point, ebola was not on the radar. it was something that's remote and usually small numbers of cases. sanjay has been very effective in communicating that, but now it is on the radar. it is really spreading. the cdc says you could have well over 1 million cases abroad in the not too distant future. do you shift resources, do you make changes on the governmental level to address specifically this? >> i think just today you're seeing some reporting that the federal government because of the authority granted in that original 2006 act which we updated in 2013 is able to kind of surge when it comes to zmapp, in other words, you have a response, a counter measure as they call it, and they're able
to surge that and engage a lot of private sector entities to reduce more of that. i think we have surge capacity, we have a lot of authority but this is going to be a test, and i think we have to constantly evaluate as it plays out whether or not we need to adjust the law or whether or not it's just better communication and better drilling and reviewing of protocols and under the broad umbrella of preparedness. >> let me get your take on another urgent situation with the secret service, the director julia pierson stepped down. do you think it was appropriate? >> i think at this stage they needed a new start. it's unfortunate the way this has played out because you have a great agency that has provided protection to presidents for a couple generations that does it well every day, and yet when there's a terrible mistake made i think sometimes the only response to that is a change of leadership. >> was the mistake the problem
or was the covering up of the mistake the problem? >> i think both are, there's no question about that. when i think if you don't have immediate transparency in that circumstances, it's bound to catch up with you, but i think she did the right thing, it's a difficult decision to make as an individual but i think it should move the secret service in the right direction but it will take a while before we can evaluate whether or not they've gotten the message. >> a lot of outrage, often outrage from congress, with all due respect, winds up becoming animal unto itself and doesn't necessarily become the heat doesn't necessarily become light of change. is a little bit of this becoming a smear campaign on the secret service? >> i think when you're asking questions in those hearings, i think you should seek to be constructive and probing and not simply to get a sound bite or attention, and i get concerned that some members seem to be a little concerned about getting the sound bite rather than getting the truth.
i think overalthough, a lot of the questions asked, began to shed some light on the problem and should lead to a constructive plan forward. >> as we do the reporting on it, you start to get a little suspicious because how did this man get over the fence and up there? i haven't heard what we hear in our reporting which is they're working on the fence, the alarm was turned off. that's how he was able to get over it. had you been told that? >> i wasn't aware of that. >> the dogs, why weren't the dogs there? the dogs are supposed to be there. the dogs had been muzzled and removed because one of them went after the obama's dog we have a source telling us and that's why they weren't immediately there and the dogs have been greatly restrained, they don't get to roam freely anymore. i haven't heard that. >> i don't happen to be on the relevant committee but i think even committee members are probably going to be probing. >> but facts matter. seemed like they wanted to yell at pierson and get her to stop
down, that's fine. th hitting the white house. they're not allowed supposedly onto the second floor of the white house so how would they have found them if they didn't know they were fired at the white house and not on the second floor? that's an important fact. lastly the contractor in the elevator that's what got all of us. let a loaded man with a loaded weapon, contractor, a security guard, doesn't that matter? was the secret service that wrong in that instance? >> there's certainly a problem in terms of how they do background checks. with federal contractors we have trouble with those, the background checks as it relates to contractors for years. the navy yard indicated that, the terrible shooting at the navy yard in washington, so this probably spotlights existing systemic problems in background checks and in other rules, but i think the one thing that was said on cnn i can't remember who
the guest was a couple days ago even the question of the use of force becomes a very complicated question. >> right. >> easy to say someone jumps over the fence, why can't we shoot them? even police officers have a msheur of restraint that's imposed upon them. secret service are no different. we're going to have to be i think we're going to have to be measured in trying to arrive at those facts before we start doing categorical assessments of the secret service. >> senator bob casey appreciate your perspective. great to have you on "new day." >> we'll have more on the ebola diagnosis ahead with a panel of experts and your questions as well. everyday people changing the world, the top ten cnn heroes of 2014 will be announced in just moments. anderson cooper is here to reveal who made the list. senator, stick around. we'll give you a preview.
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case in texas. the patient apparently had contact with between 12 and 18 people, and they had contact with some 60 others, so there's so much to consider with ebola how it's spread, how it's treated, preventable measures. all sorts of questions for you, you've been great to send them to us via twitter. i'm joined by dr. sanjay gupta, elizabeth cohen and retired lieutenant general russell honore. he helped organize the response to hurricane katrina. thank you. you have your work set out for you the three of you. questions have been coming in. general i'll start with you. question from twitter, how prepared are we if ebola spreads across the u.s. specifically to smaller cities? >> well, i think we agree that we can't jump on the grenade like we send the capacity to pick our citizens up in africa, bring them back to take care of
them. i think where we failed is the routine. we still have a 19th century reporting system in the 21st century. that nurse when she interviewed that patient in text ex-and entered that into the computer the fact he had traveled that should have gone through the chain of command. it's not happening because public health is underfunded and underreported. >> next question we'll put this one to elizabeth we've talked about ebola presents with flu-like symptoms. this viewer wants to know what will happen with the upcoming flu season we're heading into and how we'll be able to differentiate. >> it will be differentiated by your travel history. if you have flu-like symptoms and you just got back from liberia, boy, oh, boy, will they be careful with you or they should be. if your spouse just got off the plane from liberia they should be careful with you. if you don't know anyone from
west africa, traveled there, then it's probably the flu. >> a viewer wanted to ask about the resilience of the virus outside of the body and on surfaces. we heard a lot being made about the ambulance, people want to know about subway rails, some of the rails in medical facilities. does it last, does it exist? can it thrive outside the body? >> it can live outside the body. lot of viruses cannot live outside the body. this one can for a few days perhaps. there's different studies on this. the question i think they're really trying to ask my guess is how likely am i subsequently to get infected if i touch one of the subway rails. i would say theoretically possible but very, very remote. the virus while it can live outside the body it may change a bit, it may not be able to infect as well. you remember we keep hearing you need to have direct body contact, bodily fluid contact i should say with someone to get infected. this is not direct bodily fluid contact. the virus sits on a rail, could
you touch it, theoretically you could get infected but i wouldn't focus a lot of attention on that. >> fair enough but there are still some questions remaining. that ping-pongs us back to the bodily fluids. back to you, elizabeth, a lot of people concerned about flying. you've recently done that. flying on an airplane, people are concerned about the proximity to other passengers on board. this person and excuse, we're going there this morning, if my mouth is open and a person showing ebola symptoms sneezes nearby on an airplane, is that a problem? >> i'm going to go back to what my friend sanjay just said, there are things that are theoretically possible but that are not probable. first of all you are not contagious until you are ill with ebola and a sneeze is not really being ill. if someone is feverish, that's an issue. if it's just a sneeze that's something different. i think the possibility of getting ebola that way is very, very remote and as sanjay said
not something we ought to focus too much attention on >> that's important. you have to put the things in the category of we're not going to worry about this now. we are going to worry about this now and the things that are most important. sanjay, talking about the blood and in general a great question in a second, let's talk about the blood test. we understand that ebola is detected through a blood test. we have an rn that sent us a tweet, she wants to know how the blood drawn from possible patients is handled in the lab. i'm sensing that she's getting this because we've had instances where the cdc came under fire for the handling of some of their test samples, for example. >> that's a fair point. there's been some lapses with regard to how some things have been handled at the cdc recently and that's fair to bring out. the way this is handled, though, is we asked this question yesterday because remember, where elizabeth is in dallas, blood was taken there and then
subsequently sent here to the cdc behind me for a confirmatory test. the blood is drawn in the usual way, everyone takes safeguards when they're drawing blood so as to not get any of that bodily fluid, blood in this case, on them. it is then put into a specific container for this test, it's known as a pcr test, you don't need to remember that name but that's what they're going to be doing to it and ultimately it was commercial couriered over here to the cdc, so it's hand delivered but it's a commercial courier system and comes over here and is examined. again, it's because it is such a potentially virulent substance it is handled with a great deal of care but i can tell you, michaela, it's happening already, some of this happened a couple days ago when the blood from dallas arrived here in atlanta. >> general, i want to talk to but travel. i think this is likely the question we have received the most on twitter. people are wondering why, with the deadliest virus in the world out there, why aren't flights
being stopped to the affected area or to or from the affected country with the exception of medical and military flights? i understand there is a lot that goes into this. help us understand the process. >> having worked at the pebt gone and worked a couple of these incidents, it has to do with economic activity and the freedom of people to travel and not overexcite the public. i think we have a tendency to pay more attention and we're better equipped in our immigration services where people go back and forth. the deal with counterterrorism as opposed to counterbioterrorism or pandemic flowing, you will be very reluctant to see american medical people stationed at our immigration services doing their job on checking on medical conditions. on the other hand, if you go to a place like cuba, their medical people integrated with the immigration people checking people out.
we've got a 19th century reporting system in the 21st century, and the public law doesn't even require our doctors to take the flu shot. we've got to have a cultural change in our public health. everybody knows the sheriff but how many people know who the public health officer is in their count why i? >> i appreciate the general for all of your points there, a very good point. there are areas of weakness we need to tighten up. dr. sanjay gupta, elizabeth cohen, general honore, thank you. and viewers thank you for participating in this. we know you have concerns and we want to make sure we address them as best we can. >> one of my favorite times of year, cnn recognizing people around the planet for their remarkable efforts to make our world a better place, we call them cnn heroes. anderson cooper is up very early today, he's going to join us this morning revealing this year's top ten. [ male announcer ] tomcat bait kills up to 12 mice,
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time for the five things you need to know for your new day. questions swirling over why a texas hospital released a man who presented with ebola symptoms after he told staff he traveled from liberia. up to 80 people could have been impacted either directly or indirectly by this man. secret service director julia pierson forced to step down following a series of stunning security breaches that could have put the president's life at risk. turkey may be about to join the u.s.-led fight against isis. the parliament set to authorize
military troops to iraq and syria. police in hong kong calling on protesters to leave peacefully and quickly after protesters staged a huge sit-in and threatened to occupy government buildings. and the san francisco giants punching their ticket to the national league division series, they simply pummeled the pittsburgh pirates last night 8-0, the giants go on to face the washington nationals. we're always updating the five things you need to know. go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. october marks national bullying prevention month and we want to call your attention to our colleagues at the cartoon network. they want 1 million videos talking about bullies so go to stopbullyingspeakup.com, spread the word using #ispeakup. chris? >> we should make one of those. >> let's do it, can we together? >> yes. >> we'll include berman. >> i don't know about berman. who made the cut for the top ten
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to heal. >> good. >> and from south field michigan, radio buy elimelech goldberg, lost his daughter to l leukemia, now he helps kids deal with the fear and pain of their cancer treatments. >> hardest thing you have to do is pick this, wait, you don't have to. >> that's right. >> relief. >> it's entirely up to viewers. everybody at home go to cnnheroes.com and you can vote once a day every day up until mid-november. >> it is a refreshing thing given the headlines that we have. all of us are so happy that we have this to tell. >> these are inspiring, people who don't necessarily have money, they don't have access to power or anything but they saw a need in their community and rolled up their sleeves and started to do something and it's great we're able to recognize them and actually they've already been awarded $25,000, so they all get $25,000 for their work and according to who gets nominated as the top cnn hero,
the cnn hero of the year they get an extra $100,000 for their work. >> and the money matters for a lot of the small organizations. as relative newcomers to cnn, this was always a source of envy that cnn did this, because this was really valuing the right people for the right thing. >> we all come across people in the field who we think they're doing such great work, i wish i could do something for them. it's a great way to do that. >> and often the ones who don't want the spotlight. i love extra. vote now, you can help choose the cnn hero of the year, go to cnnheroes.com and vote once a day, every day. >> vote early and often as john berman says and you have to watch it only to see anderson get emotional. >> anderson gets broken up every year. >> i bring up that emotion, it's hard to do but every now and then i do. we'll take a little break. when we come back an overwhelmed
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we told you about people giving massive tips before for good service or just because. here's a switch. great tip for awful service. here's the situation. waiter kyle hanson didn't mean to be awful but the restaurant was really busy and all the other waiters had called in sick. >> it was pretty stressful but what are your options? you can either freak out or just do what needs to be done. >> one couple waited more than an hour for their food. lucky for kyle they were both ex-waiters themselves. when the check came they left $100 as a tip on a $66 tab, also a note. >> "we've both been in your shoes just paying it forward." that was a super unexpected and really nice, i mean, it caught me off guard. little misty i guess. >> i'm a little misty, too. the couple shared the story on facebook to encourage others. it's been shared more than a million times and that's why it is the good stuff.
>> i sign off on that. >> well done. >> you're seeing he's the only guy there, come on. >> i'm there right now. >> j.b. is a big tipper. >> you set me up. >> a lot of news, get to you "the newsroom" with carol costello, big tipper. >> i am a big tipper actually, i am. have a great day. thanks so much. newsroom starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. health workers ratchet up the number of people potentially exposed to ebola, the old number quadrupled minutes ago to 08 people. elizabeth cohen is outside the dallas hospital with the latest. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. we are told yesterday we were told t