tv CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello CNN October 3, 2014 7:00am-8:01am PDT
good morning, i'm carol costello. happy friday to you. thank you so much for joining me. we begin with important news on your money. a short time ago, we learned the nation's jobless rate fell to its lowest level in more than six years. the rate dropped unexpectedly to 5.9%. that's compared to 6.1% in august, a drop of two-tenths of a percentage point. that's because 248,000 jobs were created last month. that's more than expected and a strong rebound from a disappointing and somewhat worrisome drop in august.
alison kosik is at the new york stock exchange to tell us more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. those headlines are solid. we were worried about job growth after we saw the weak august showing where we saw the number dip below 200,000. that's a key threshold we watch for. yes, september coming in strong, july and august revised higher. also the unemployment trend, yeah, that's looking positive, too, falling since the recession ended in 2009. so now it's below 6%. so it's good for the economy. also you look in the fine print, a lot of good stuff in there, too. job creation is across the spectrum. 81,000 jobs added in professional services. these are good jobs, high-paying jobs like lawyers and accountants. 35,000 jobs added in retail. health care saw 35,000 as well and construction at 16,000. so finally five and a half years out of the recession we are seeing momentum in the jobs picture. part of the reason why you're seeing the market rally, the dow
up 157 points after having four not so good days. zmarl. >> excellent. alison kosik joining us live from the new york stock exchange. let's dig deeper on this. joining me now is the nation's labor secretary, thomas perez, welcome. >> good morning, carol, how are you today? >> i'm good. when you heard the unemployment rate fell to 5.9% did you kind of do a little happy dance? >> it's moving in the right direction. we haven't seen this unemployment rate since july of 2008, this is another strong report. private sector job growth is on pace to be the best year since 1998. the united states has gained in this recovery we've put more people back to work than japan, europe, and every advanced economy combined. so it's really -- it's remarkable. then there are other data points people may not be aware of. like the childhood poverty rate last year had its largest drop in any year since 1966. and that's because when more people are back to work, they
get their -- they get wages and they can get lifted out of poverty. so we're moving in the right direction. we have undeniable unfinished business. no one is spiking any footballs here at the labor department or the white house because there's still too many people that need work and there's still too many people that are working hard and falling behind. >> what is your biggest concern? what's the biggest concern that you have? >> i think moving forward our biggest concern is to make sure we have shared prosperity across this nation. productivity since, really, the late '70s has risen remarkably and wages have not risen in a commensurate fashion and when employers are doing well and when they're reaping benefits in the bottom line on productivity, those benefits should be shared with workers. and too many people just haven't seen enough of a raise over recent years and that's why the president's doing everything he can under his executive authorities, our minimum wage executive order which was finalized this week, people working overtime are going to
get a raise in the not so distant future. home health workers are going to get a rage as a result of executive action. we need to take broader action on capitol hill and that includes raising the minimum wage. that includes immigration reform and all those things. >> it does seem more states and municipalities are going ahead and raising the minimum wage without help from the federal government. in fact, new york city just joined the fray with the mayor saying, hey, if you get tax breaks or subsidies from the city and you're a business you have to pay workers $13.13 per hour. i would guess that you think that's a good move. >> well, i was with mayor de blasio this week when he announced that and aapplaud his efforts and i also applaud his efforts on the issue of paid leave and i applaud the efforts of governor brown in california because i'll tell you, if you look at the year 2000, carol, and you compare female labor force participation here in the united states and canada, our participation rates of women from 25 to 54 were identical.
you fast forward to this year, canada's participation rates are 8% higher than the united states. if we had kept par, we would have 5.5 million more women in the workplace. supporting the social security system, being able to be part of the creative economy. places like google and others that have a serious gender problem, they'd have more women to draw from. and the reason why we've fallen behind is because we're the only industrialized nation on the planet that doesn't have paid maternity leave and we don't take care of our child care system in ways like countries like canada do. you can get quality child care in canada for $20 a day. they've invested in this and they're getting the return on investment. and so people like bill de blasio, people like jerry brown, 13 states have that have raised the minimum wage, governor malloy in connecticut was an early leader on the issue of paid leave. these are the right things to do and they're the smart things to
do. and conservative governments like the government of australia, i was just out there in the g-20 summit, the conservative regime out there, they ran on a platform of increasing paid leave for women. and this is a government that's, you know, in america you would say he's about where ronald reagan is in terms of philosophically. but they understand that these investments, they pay a return and we have to do that here. >> i want to ask you one more question before you have to go. you served as an assistant attorney general for the civil rights -- for civil rights at the u.s. department of justice and now you're said to be on president obama's short list to replace eric holder, the nation's attorney general. are you interested? >> well, you know what? i'm interested in making sure that we get everybody back to work and that's been -- >> i knew you were going to say something like that! are you interested in the attorney general job? >> i'm interested in making sure that the guy i talk to from new jersey earlier this week who still isn't back on his feet and
he's suffering, he has every right to know that the labor department and the labor secretary is focused singularly on helping him and the millions of other folks get that job. >> let me ask you one more question, then. if the president offered the nomination to you, would you say no? >> i haven't had any such conversations and the only conversations i'm having with the president are about growing our economy right now. we're going to keep growing this economy and moving in the right direction. >> secretary perez, thank you so much for being with me. >> it was great to be with you as always. >> nice to have you here. new development this is morning in the worldwide ebola crisis as an american freelance journalist working to cover the crisis for nbc in liberia tests positive for the deadly disease ashoka mukpo started getting sick on wednesday. he'll return to the united states for treatment this weekend. his parents say he's in good spirits. >> i just talked to him earlier this morning and his spirits seemed better today. i think obviously he's scared and worried he's been filming
what's happening in liberia for two weeks and seeing the death and tragedy and now it's really hit home for him. but his spirits are better today. he knows he's going to come home. >> back in the united states, thomas eric duncan, the ebola patient being treated in dallas, remains in serious condition. the president of liberia is now considering charging him if he indeed lied on a health screening questionnaire at the airport. >> with the u.s. doing so much to help us fight ebola and, again, one of our compatriots didn't take care and he's gone there and sort of in a way put some americans in a state of fear and put them at some risk so i feel very saddened by that and very angry with him, to tell you the truth. >> in the meantime, four days after duncan tested positive for ebola, hazmat cleaning crews
have not yet been allowed to decontaminate the apartment where duncan stayed after arriving in the united states. inside, four family members remain quarantined, one of whom -- that would be duncan's girlfriend -- spoke to cnn's anderson cooper. >> you were caring for him. did you get in contact with any fluids? >> not that i know of. >> did the cdc recommend you clean your apartment? >> my daughter bought me some clorox and we spread clor raxox my mattresses, on my bed and dirty clothe are in a plastic bag all sealed up in plastic. but they said we shouldn't throw anything away until we can get back with me. >> so the sheets thomas used and the towels that he used, what have you done with those?
>> they are in a plastic bag. >> in your apartment. >> uh-huh. >> so you put -- you took them off the bed and put them into a plastic bag? >> only the towel is in the plastic bag but the rest of the stuff stayed on the bed. the bed sheets are still on the bed. >> so the sheets he slept on, that's still on the bed? >> yeah. >> did the cdc talk to you about that at all? >> they told me they're going to get back with me. i said that we are not going to use this stuff anymore, neither the bed, we're not going to use any of those things and they said they're going to come back and tell me how to get rid of them. joining me now 1 cnn national security analyst and former assistant secretary of homeland security juliette kayyem. good morning, juliette.
>> good morning, carol. >> i want to touch briefly on what we just heard from louise. she and her family are still trapped inside of her apartment while hazmat crews work to get the proper credentials to go in and clean the apartment. how can this happen? >> well, part of it is just a certification issue to ensure that they -- the workers don't get exposed. what is shocking about it is it wasn't like we didn't know that ebola was killing people in africa and that given the nature of globalization there was going to be a patient zero in the u.s. i mean, that's what's so frustrating about this week is who didn't believe that someone would come here with ebola? i mean, just given the nature of globalization. and we seem to have been caught flat fooded. the texas hospital not getting all the symptoms, his travel not putting two and two together as well as the response. and so, you know -- >> so who's responsible for
coordinating the response? is it any one entity? >> well, part of it is that it should -- it ought to be the cdc in the sense that they oversee this -- the ebola outbreak. we are a country with 50 states and therefore 50 state public health agencies. and the goal of coordination of the federal government is to work with all of those state agencies to ensure they have the information, they know what they're looking for, what are the decontamination protocols. we shouldn't have been caught flat-footed on issues as simple as certification if, in fact, i have? -to-just put a caveat in here, if, in fact, that's the reason why. >> you'd think they would hurry along the process, right? it's insane to me. i want to talk to you about this questionnaire that mr. duncan filled out before he left liberia. on the form there was a question "have you taken part in the burr ideal or funeral rights or touched the body of someone who died in an area where there was
ebola." he apparently lied when he answered that question. he answered no and he apparently lied. so he got on the plane, came to the united states, came through u.s. customs and had no trouble at all. should there be a change? it seems there should be. >> i think so. i -- i think we need to start looking at this as a potential epidemic and not be b worried so much about duncan's motivation at this stage. we have a patient zero in the u.s. we know who he came in contact with and now begin to focus on that. and the changes i would make at this stage are obviously better surveillance and questioning on our end. in other words, don't trust these other nations or don't trust people, so to speak, because they may lie. so we need to have stronger intelligence and surveillance protocols on our end as well as just getting these public health agencies, hospitals, community health hospitals to begin to be very aggressive with potential
identification. this -- we have to learn what happened -- what happened in texas has to be learned in realtime. we have to regroup now and every person on the front lines of public health is now potentially sort of -- might be able to find anyone else who was infected. so it's a wakeup call that we need our public health agencies very, very focused on travel patients, what they've done. so those are the two immediate changes i would make because i think we have to assume people either don't know or will lie. >> juliette kayyem, thanks so much. i appreciate it. still to come in the newsroom, as the fight to contain this deadly global outbreak continues, the united states pledges even more support. barbara starr at the pentagon this morning. barbara? an unprecedented program arting busithat partners businesses
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is expected to be a six-month tour of duty. with 3,000 troops already tapped to head to ebola-ravaged west africa, cnn has learned the u.s. military is increasing its fight against the deadly disease. hundreds more troops are being added to plans to help the infected countries contain and control ebola. >> it's america. our doctors, our scientists, our know-how that leads the fight to contain and combat the ebola epidemic in west africa. >> approximately 200 u.s. troops are already in liberia. secretary of defense chuck hagel has signed orders for another 700 from the 101st airborne division to head to africa in coming days to staff a command headquarters. 700 more army engineers will be going to help build and advise on mobile hospitals. >> we are standing up a field
hospital and treatment units and we'll be training thousands of health workers. >> reporter: even before most have left the u.s., military officials tell cnn the pentagon is considering drastic measures to ensure they don't come back to u.s. shores with the disease. >> we are working with experts right now on this. >> reporter: that could include enforced isolation for 21 days, the ebola incubation period, for high risk troops who may have come in contact with the disease. all troop december ploid will be monitored daily for symptoms and all service members will face increased monitoring for those 21 days before they are allowed to return to the u.s. >> this is a complex emergency beyond a public health crisis that has significant humanitarian economic, political, and security dimensions. >> reporter: so the total now is 3,600 u.s. troops headed to africa in the coming weeks, some
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a major advance by isis militants. right now, kurdish troops are trying to push back isis fighters in a key city on the syrian turkish borders. isis entered kobani early this morning. that means isis now controls the southwest corner of the city. all of this just happening hours after turkey and australia pledged to support coalition forces. yesterday, turkey's parliament o.k.ed the use of force in iraq and syria and in the meantime, australian officials have given the go-ahead for air strikes and the use of australian special forces on the ground in iraq. let's get the latest from cnn's phil block who joins us live from the turkish syrian border. what's the situation there, phil?
>> carol, we've been seeing isis hitting kobani very hard with the artillery today, the hardest bombardment we've seen so far. up at the top of the hill overlooking kobani you can still see a structure there burning as a direct result of the bombardment we've seen here unleashed upon the city. particularly on the east side, the southeastern side where we are standing. what we're hearing to the southwest of the city is perhaps more concerning. that's where fighters are have told us that isis fighters have entered the city and now control part of it. they've moved in to the city itself. that's how close they are. the kurdish fighters that have been resisting them have been expecting this for the last 24 hours. they say they're getting ready to fight back street to street, building to building. it will be bloody urban warfare. they're very much approaching the sense of a last showdown between the men and women who have stayed behiend to defend
their homes and the isis forces that have been advancing across this territory for some weeks now. carol? >> phil block reporting live for us this morning. thank you. in the meantime, former defense secretary leon panetta is weighing in on the crisis in iraq. in a new tell-all book called "worthy fights" set to hit the shelves next week, panetta slams the president for ignoring his advice to leave some u.s. ground forces in iraq. he claims it would have helped stave off terrorist influences. panetta writes "my fear as i voiced to the president and others is that if the country slid apart or slid back into the violence that we'd seen in the years immediately following the u.s. invasion it could become a new haven for terrorists to plot attacks against the u.s. iraq's against the united states. iraq's stability was not only in iraq's interest but also in ours." panetta says his views were shared by other military commanders but those concerns
were ignored. let's talk about this with cnn political analyst and senior national correspondent for the daily beast, josh rogan. welcome, josh. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. i apologize for reading that quote so poorly. when all is said and done, panetta is not very complimentary of mr. obama's defense strategy. and that kind of surprises me. >> right. throughout the book a copy of which i obtained, panetta describes a white house that's insular, controlling, doesn't often listen to its top cabinet official and sometimes puts politics over policy. the iraq example is a great one because the white house even to this day will tell you that they couldn't leave troops in iraq because the iraqis couldn't come to an agreement because the iraqis didn't want it because the bush administration made an agreement to pull u.s. troops out of iraq. but what panetta is saying very clearly is that he wanted and advocated and pushed for a deal to keep troops in iraq, he thought it was necessary. other top national security officials have said the same
thing but the white house wanted to get rid of the iraq problem they viewed it as something bush created. they didn't want to leave troop there is and they created a situation whereby a deal would have been impossible. that's been reported. that's often what a lot of people say but for the defense secretary under obama to say that so clearly is a direct rebuke to the white house's messaging and considering the chaos going on in iraq right now, he seems to have a point. >> that's why i was surprised because there's a war going on right now and do you want critics coming out of the -- democratic critics coming out of the wood warm to criticize your policy at a time when you kind of need to, like, all be on the same page, even if you're not? >> it's always the problem when one of these top officials writes a book because everybody writes a memoir and there is praise for obama in the book. he says obama fixed the economy largely, he said he put the military on the right footing. he's very critical of the
president's actions in syria. he says it was marked by hesitation and half steps. he criticizes obama for going back on a red line after bashar al assad. after assad used chemical weapons the president decided to strike syria and reversed himself and leon panetta says that cost america credibility and hurt the americans' power around the world. that's also a pretty strong statement. >> and the bottom line i got from reading your article about this book is that the white house really didn't listen to the experts it had on staff. it was a very small group who made these decisions and that group was in the white house. >> right. and this is also what we've heard from people close to hillary clinton which is that the white house policy was control bade very few number of people, senior advisors like tom donelan, dennis mcdonough, susan rice, john brennan, ben rhodes and top officials, secretary level officials, cabinet level officials, were often put aside.
that's a change from previous administrations. and that shows you why in some views that politics were put above policy because the white house was often looking for its own interests as well as the interests of the national security bureaucracy and those two things aren't often the same and when the white house had a battle with the pentagon or state department, the white house always won. this is why former officials are coming out now saying the wrong decisions were made. >> you can read more of josh's article on the daily beast. josh rogan, thanks for being with me, i appreciate it. i'll be right back. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪
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martin luther king co-'s parents say he has a passion for liberia, a country he has worked in for years. this morning, they talked about why he chose to return to such a dangerous location at this particular time. i he really felt strongly when he started to hear what was going on. he wanted to go back and almost see if he could make a difference and i was obviously conflicted as a parent but really proud that he has the integrity and desire to do something good and so went back to monrovia. >> tony maddox is the executive vice president and managing director for cnn international. welcome, tony. >> hi, carol. >> thank you for talking to us about this, we appreciate it. how did this nbc cameraman's illness impact cnn's coverage in liberia. >> we have a team about to go in and one of the things we needed to establish was what we
understood about the circumstances, what precautions they were taking, how this happened. so we decided to put a hold on our own preparations for 12 hours while we got a better take on things and we reset our own plans on the ground. we still do plan to make a trip into there, but obviously we've now revised our guidance in the light of this. >> so is cnn talking with nbc to try to determine exactly how this photographer got ebola? >> i think it's interesting to many people how much news organizations do cooperate when it comes to issues of safety and welfare. although we're all very competitive, when it comes to issues of the welfare of our journalists, the safety of our journalists, we all share information as best we can and as fully as we can so we have been in touch with nbc, organizations like to try to help each other if they can in these circumstances as well. we're all at the end a family of international reporters who do take these risks to do these stories so we want to do everything we can to help them. >> well, the really difficult part for the nbc crew is there's
a whole team of people working with this photographer and, you know, dr. nancy snyderman among them, right? she said that we can't shake hands with one another, we can't hug one another. she's going to be flying back to the united states and then she's going to self-quarantine herself. so what do you tell our reporters about stuff like that? >> it's interesting. the news basically works around international news. so you're dependent on the quality of the in-country people who can support you. the challenge we have here is where don't know where some of those fixes have been where they've been, who they've seen, who they've been talking to. so we have to work on the assumption that whoever we work with has to go straight into our sort of own hygiene protocols, taking of the temperature, wearing of the safety gear. we have to make sure we have the right kit. these are all done in the right kind of way and fed back to base. so the challenge for us is to ensure that the locals -- we got
some sense of where they've been and what they've been doing and when we're there, you're right, it's an unnatural way to behave but you have to limit all communication with key people, you have to be non-tactile and you're seeing the gear sanjay is wearing right here now, we're taking all of that kind of gear with us depending on where we're going to be on the ground. it will require close monitoring, that's for sure. >> is the liberian government cooperating or is west africa sort of the black hole of information, you can't get the right information you need to make great decisions. >> well, i think it's clear the infrastructure in liberia is seriously lacking so it's not as though we're reporting in the u.s. but the authorities have done all they can. they've certainly been helpful and supportive of us so far. as you saw, sanjay was reporting from guinea earlier on this year, a few reporters have been in there within the past month or two. so we've had a lot of support in reporting in that country but they have an awful lot to cope
with and the needs of foreign journalist have to take their place in the queue. >> understood. tony maddox, executive vice president and managing director of cnn international. thanks for being with me. i appreciate it, tony? >> nice talking to you, carol, take care. >> you, too. i'll be right back.
it's been an agonizing three weeks for the friends and family of missing uva student hannah graham. this morning, we're learning more information about jesse matthew, the man police believe was with graham the night she vanished. according to officials, matthew has been linked to two sexual assault cases at different universities between 2002 and 2003. in the meantime, the attorney for a man serving life in prison for the disappearance of a different woman in a neighboring county, 17-year-old alexis murphy, is requesting that his client's case be reexamined based on recent developments. so let's bring in cnn's athena
jones in charlottesville, virginia. we're also joined by cnn legal analyst paul cowen. welcome to both of you. athena, bring us up to date on the latest from charlottesville. i. >> well, randy taylor was the man convicted of 17-year-old alexis murphy and his lawyer, michael hall han in this letter sent this letter to the commonwealth's attorney in nelson county, that's a neighboring county. he sent this letter to the prosecutor asking them to review randy taylor's case. they want to do two things. they want to look into the social media accounts of alexis murphy to find out if she had any contact with jesse matthew, and he also wants the attorney in nelson county to test jesse matthew's dna against some unidentified dna samples that were found in murphy's car in that case. i want to play for you some of what michael hallahan, randy taylor's attorney, has to say. go ahead. >> they don't have to do any more forensics, just take the
samples at the lab and compare it. maybe it's him, maybe it's not. it doesn't hurt to check. >> in responding to this request for a review, the nelson county prosecutors said "there is in credible evidence linking murphy to the matthew case." he gave an outline of forensic and video evidence they used to convict him but he said he would "make sure that scientific testing is done in order to bring closure to the speculation." so, of course, carol, this is a chance for randy taylor's lawyer who says in this letter this is not a fishing expedition, nevertheless, this is a chance for him to kind of see an opening possibly for his own client, randy taylor, who i should mention is serving two life sentences for this crime. carol? >> athena jones, thank you so much. let's talk about this with paul. is it a fishing expedition? >> it most definitely. is i was looking at the evidence used against this randy taylor.
we saw a picture of him going into court there. he could practically be convicted based on the way he looks. >> well, that's not right. >> it's not right but i know how juries operate. forgetting his appearance, the evidence was overwhelming against him. his dna, a bloody t-shirt, a -- he lied about where he was and then, to cap it off, when he was trying to blame somebody else, he actually identified a specific black man who was light skinned, didn't look anything like jesse matthew and said "that's the person who i saw go into my camper and he's the rapist." of course it was not this person. >> so why is taylor's lawyer asking for this? >> well, i think it makes sense for him to do this because if perchance matthews' dna turned up in the camper where this horrible crime involving alexis murphy took place, that would create grounds for appeal in the
randy taylor case. but in looking at the evidence, i think taylor wouldn't be let go, it would just be that two men were involved in the assault, not one. so i think in the end it's a dead end and it will go no place. >> will we hear more of this as time goes by? >> i think -- in theory everybody in the state who has had a case involving an abduction and a rain allegation could say, well, we want the dna checked. and law enforcement officials do not do that. in this case, you have close physical proximity of the two victims and there's a reason why the police might want to take a look at it. but it's a rare and unusual request and, of course, dna, you know, is dominating the criminal justice system so we've just seen in new york city the central park jogger case, five men exonerated, you know why? because the dna linked another rainist to the actual rain. so we see it happen in cases all over the country but it's not
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four people remain quarantined in the dallas apartment where ebola patient thomas eric duncan stayed. that apartment has yet to be clean after san nation teams were turned away because they didn't have the proper permits. but new video from cnn affiliate ktvt shows food and other supplies being delivered to that apartment as a man comes out to retrieve them and take those supplies inside. we still don't know if the apartment was cleaned though and that's one brave man if the apartment has not been cleaned. cnn correspondent sanjay gupta joins me now. sanjay, we can not confirm if this particular individual was quarantined but what would be the terms of such restrictions? >> well, you know, i've been reading about that and hearing about this specific quarantine. it's pretty strict. they really -- you saw him come out there to get the food if that, in fact, is one of the residents. they can't go down the stairs.
they're supposed to stay in that particular apartment or flight front there and part of the reason is that they are getting their temperature monitored a couple times a day so the health authorities say we want to know where they are, we want to find them reliably and make sure they don't go anywhere else so that was really the purpose of this quarantine. they're not sick so they're not going to be contagious. this is to keep them in one place. >> again, we can't confirm who that young man is but, you're right, we assume it's somebody that's been quarantined inside that house, right? common sense. so i want to get to viewer questions right now, sanjay. here's our first one "can ebola be transmitted by an infected food service worker?" >> if someone was sick, let's say this food service worker was sick with ebola, then they could transmit it, yes. it's not a situation like you remember the case of typhoid mary, this is someone who carried the typhoid in her body, she was never sick but able to
transmit the virus. that's not the case with ebola. you are sick before you transmit. so anybody who's sick could potentially be somebody who could spread it. >> i like this question from this viewer "if ebola is not spread through the air, then why are doctors dressed like astronauts when they encounter patients?" thank you for this question, john. >> they don't need to be. it's -- there's a standard hazmat gear which is put on. a lot of times when they're asked about when they encounter patients they don't know what the patient has initially, sometimes they'll just dress protective everything. we don't know what the infectious disease is so they protect themselves as much as they can. now the person's point where ebola, really what you need to make sure is that all of your skin is covered because you don't want to get any bodily fluids on any place in your skin. even a cut on your face or cuts on your hands could potentially be sources of transmission. but it's really what we call droplet protection that's needed. you want to make sure fluids
can't get on your body. >> understand. dr. sanjay gupta, thanks as always. i appreciate the answers to these questions. it's very helpful. another question we're getting a lot "how easy is it to spread disease on planes?" cnn's dan simon took a look at that. >> reporter: dr. suzanne donovan is an expert on ebola. she recently completed a month-long stint in sierra leone treating ebola patients. she's come with us aboard a 767 jetliner now out of service to discuss the risk ebola could have to the american flying public. >> let's say somebody has ebola and showing symptoms aened you're sitting next to them. any chance you could get it? >> i can understand passengers' concern about being exposed but this is something that is transmitted with direct contact of body fluids. >> if saliva or a bodily fluid gets either on a tray or an
armrest and you touch it and then touch your nose or touch your mouth -- >> you're bringing up very rare scenarios and i would say you're at greater risk of driving to the airport and getting in a car accident than being infected by ebola. >> fears have escalated after a liberian national flew with ebola to the u.s. but the doctor says people have little to worry about. from the low risk of coming into contact to direct risk of coming into contacts with a patient. let's assume a worst-case scenario for a impeachment. that there is an infected person on board and that person is showing symptoms and you're the unlucky passenger sitting right next to them. even with those circumstances, dr. donovan says the rusk of you getting the disease is still very low. what about just the fabric on the airplane? say, for instance, bodily fluids get on the fabric, get on the
seats. what's the probability of getting it that way? >> it's very subs septembus is believe cleaning agents. in africa we use bleach solutions frequently but even washing your hands with soap and water would kill the virus. >> ebola is not an air born virus so unlike the flew there's little concern about getting it from someone who coughs or sneezes on a plane. but the u.n. ebola chief raises the possibility, however remote, that the virus could mutate and become air born. >> well, that would be a game changer. >> a game changer because ebola could become much more infectious, transmitted just like the flu. >> i've seen some of those concerns raised and clearly any virus that became airborne with this type of lethality rate would be concerning. >> until then, there seems to be no reason to alter flying habits. dan simon, cnn, victorville,
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"america the beautiful" played by your tires going over specially designed rumble strips cut into a section of the highway in new mexico. >> how cool is this? >> reporter: suddenly local reporters are highway musicians. >> all you have to do is reduce your speed to 45 miles an hour then aim for a strip on the right side of the road and -- voila! "america the beautiful." >> reporter: it's america, though maybe not so beautiful. the justice department to get drivers to slow down. "national geographic" paid for the project as part of a tv series about changing social behavior. but that's not the only singing road. there's a whole chorus of them scattered around the world. more than half a dozen in places ranging from the u.s. to japan to south korea where a highway plays "mary had a little lamb"?
and inlancaster, california, a quarter mile stretch has been singing since 2008 when honda cut grooves with mathematical precision. >> this stretch will sing a low "f." >> reporter: extensively tested to play the william tell overture. some know it as the theme from "the lone ranger." did they succeed? [ laughter ] >> so good. >> reporter: not so good was the traffic and noise it generate sod the city moved the highway to a more industrial area. honda made a commercial out of the overture designed to be played at 55 miles per hour. a physicist wrote a critique called "honda needs a tuneup" saying the notes are just plain wrong. [ laughter ] >> i told you it was horrible. >> you want a perfect overture?
stick to this kind of horsepower. not this. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> americans are silly sometimes but i love that about us, don't you? thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@this hour with berman and michaela" starts now. new concerns about ebola in the u.s. one misstep after another comes to light. the dallas county health director says the ebola situation is "under control." but can we trust that when so much seemingly has gone wrong? >> is a passenger questionnaire enough to keep ebola contain ord should the u.s. close its air force all together to people coming from the ebola hot zone? we will speak with a key u.s. senator. >> and a cleaning crew turned away from that dallas apartment where ebola patient thomas eric duncan first got sick. what